OLD: Shyamalan Gives it Away in 5 Minutes | Explained
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
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Also anyone interested in the graphic novel, just know that it is just as weird and probably more polarizing than the movie.
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Guys I think I'm really onto something with this whole acting thing
I agree, Ari Aster would be a better choice for director than M Night, as he'd handle this material in a more complex way.
It seems to me that EVERY actor in EVERY Night movie over-acts in EVERY scene. Its really distracting! Love your content! Love from Southern California!
I am 40 minutes late to this video because I was literally rewatching another Amanda video 😆
I loved the bits you did
You did amazing, oscar worthy multi performance, Tatiana Maslany who? 😂
Amanda: "What 6 year old knows about a mortgage?"
My little brother playing Animal Crossing: "PAY THE RACCOON TO MAKE MY HOUSE BIGGER"
This is a scenario I had not considered
😂😂
You just blew my mind as a teacher
Kids are becoming older far faster these days.
@@bidoof927 lol some people shouldn’t point fingers, too.
I work at a movie theater and yesterday we had to set up a marriage proposal message before this movie started that said "I can't imagine growing OLD with anyone else" and me and my work bestie could not get over the absurdity of proposing to someone at fucking Old
Do you know if they said yes?
@@CallMeMeepMeIfYouWannaReachMe She did!
@@maddigarvin4578 Well, congratulations to them at least. Hope they're happy together for years to come.
It’s kind of sweet though movies might be their thing 🤷♀️
@@maddigarvin4578 Aww! Well that's sweet I guess lol
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What confuses me most is Mid-Sized Sedan. Why would the pharmaceutical company select him as a subject knowing he’s a famous rapper? He’s got management and fans who’d really start digging when he doesn’t return from his vacation. I get that his blood clotting disorder is rare, but surely there’s someone who isn’t massively famous to choose instead?
He is named after a type of car.... So I doubt he is that famous... I'm sure after he dies all his fans moved on to Full size Sedan
How many celebrities disappeared from the spotlight without anyone giving a 2nd thought. Unless you're an A-list or B-List celebrity no one is looking for you people would assume you just "fell off"
It just amazes me that Shyamalan can write such bad characters. Mid-Sized Sedan was not in the graphic novel and it amazes me that anyone would come up with such a stupid name for a character.
One character said she found out about it on a pharmacy receipt so I think they targeted people based solely on their ailments. Probably didn’t know it’d be someone famous
@@roslyngordon4596the, what, 11 year old girl loved his music, stands to reason he was famous enough. Why would you defend such a terrible point?
When I was a teenager I used to live very close to a home specifically for Alzheimer's patients. I remember one night I was walking home from the bus stop and suddenly a very strong banging and screaming started. It was an old lady's voice, and she was screaming at the top of her lungs.
"Mommy, they won't let me out, Mommy, come help me. Mommy, please, where are you?" Stuff like that. Screaming and crying; I could also hear the nurses trying to calm her, in soft voices.
I always think of her, and how scared and lost and alone she must have felt; A child calling for her mother to come. Shyamalan just using mental diseases for easy villains is such a monstrous thing to do, and I cannot believe he did it again after all the shit he got for split.
He didn't use alzheimers and that's kind of the problem. Alzheimers was what they used in the comics and it can and often does cause violent outbursts. It's not the person's fault and they certainly aren't villains, but it happens. Schizophrenics on the other hand, are far far far more likely to hurt themselves than to hurt others, yet the movie switched to schizophrenia for more scary mentally ill person tropes
My first thoughts were "This trailer seems to show me the whole movie"
Agreed, I only "watch" mediocre movies through RUclips reviews and trailers now!
You nailed it beyond a twist at the end.
Mine was more a "Another M. Night shamalamqdingdong movie where he's an integral part of the movie"
It really did seem to show a lot. It's sort of especially noticeable because(and I don't know if it's been the same for everyone else) the trailer was constantly showing when I watched youtube videos. I also consistently see the trailer while watching Hulu.
I Hate when trailers do That
Wouldn’t she be like in agonizing pain if her pregnancy was basically fast forwarding? Wouldn’t they all be in agonizing pain from aging so quickly? Growing pains???
Not just that, but wouldn't they all die very quickly from starvation if their bodies are growing and aging at an exponential rate?
Both good points, adding another one here.
Babies heads get pretty big as they age. 15 min in the birth canal would kill the baby and the mom.
Another reason why I wished it went rated R so they would explore the body horror aspect with disturbing bone and skin growths, and them kept alive as they went through it. :( Sad
@@thunderclanliveson1 how amazing could the scene in the cave have been with an R rating 😍😍😍
@@thunderclanliveson1 Body horror effects like in The Thing
I like how he took a comic that takes a really interesting look at mortality and went “cool cool cool scrap that, make it ableist”
How is it ableist?
@@roslyngordon4596 the way the director portrays schizophrenia. That isn't schizophrenia. In the original comic, the character with schizophrenia in the movie doesn't have schizophrenia.
The director uses a overdone and not exactly true stereotype about schizophrenia in the movie.
I hope that explains it, I have schizophrenia myself and the movie portrayed it badly.
@@roslyngordon4596 M Night has a habit of portraying any mental illness in his films as “murderer” and its an extremely harmful (and untrue) stereotype demonizing an already highly at-risk demographic.
I really thought the ableist thing was a joke. You're serious?
Hey can M. Night please stop demonizing people with mental illnesses? We’re not the bad guys, or at the very least most of us aren’t trying to be.
When I told my friend that character bothered me so much, especially bc of the racism, she excused it by saying: oh but he was mentally ill. That's the same as portraying all men in movies as rapists lol. It's wildly assumptuous. Plus schyzophrenia doesn't make you violent like this smh
@@takutolovex I agree but where was racism in the movie?
Personally I don’t think he was demonizing mental illness at all in this. The reason the one character was acting violent is because he was aging so quickly that he wasn’t able to treat his schizophrenia.
@@123rockfan you're still saying that he was violent bc of his schizophrenia. schizos aren't inherently violent. for me I just have hallucinations n stuff
@@kairabyrd2790 untreated schizophrenia can lead to aggression. So if someone is aging years in a matter of minutes I think it made sense for that character to behave like that
The pregnancy actually bothered me because I feel like it's a plot hole. If everything aged rapidly, the pregnancy wouldn't have even happened. The sperm would have immediately died when it left the male body. It wouldn't have had enough time to make the journey.
And surely if the baby can die within minutes of being born because it hasnt been fed etc, surely they would all die of starvation very quickly?
@@katierasburn9571 Yeah, wouldn't that imply they should be eating, drinking, pissing, and shitting pretty much constantly? There's sleeping, too, but you could at least hand-wave that one away by having them "sleep" in microseconds that no one noticed.
In the book, it didn't make total sense, but it fit within what was happening and it made sense with the themes of the story.
Shyamalan seemed to want the horror of the pregnancy without actually having to deal with the baby.
@@carlycrays2831 as Amanda said the book was more of a fable while m night made it a thriller without trying 🙄, he needs to stop ruining films
@@carlycrays2831 But there's so much more potential for horror with the baby than without. ugh.
How will those kids be able to function in society if they're physically in their fifties, but mentally still children? It's such a traumatising ending, if you really think about it.
Easy. They won't.
Oh Shamylan changed the ending?
Well, there are adults out there like that without the movie. So, they'd probably just need professional help
I think that's why they go to their aunt because they can't take care of themselves
That's why the graphic novel's ending, sad as it may be, is the only ending that could possibly work
my favorite line of the whole movie was “it died from lack of attention!”
Trisha Paytas be like
That made no sense. It was immediately in the blanket, so it's whole life it had attention. There wasn't a moment outside the birth canal where someone wasn't holding the damn baby.
By lack of attention, I believe they meant, the child was not fed or nurtured in any way for what was days in their time. If there was any unseen problem with the birth, the time went by so quickly that they couldn't notice or treat it. I agree that lack of attention was a bad way to describe it, but this is what I took from it. Obviously humans don't spontaneously die when people ignore them.
@@2buxaslice i knew what they meant too, it’s just so funny like that, plus the ratio of days was calculated out by another youtuber (if i remember, i’ll tag u in it) and literally like it had another 2 minutes before it would have died like that, it wasn’t even down for a whole minute. besides, that line, in or out of context, is funny as hell to me
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My biggest plot hole: What about how Mid Sized Sedan (god, that name is the worst) was there on the beach with that woman overnight and apparently didn't age and her body didn't decompose.
Yeah I was so confused about that
I think it might’ve been the morning of the same day the other families came to the beach (so like right before the sunrise that’s why it was still dark) but yea that had me confused too
He was brought there earlier the same morning I believe, not the previous day.
I think with her being in the water her body didn't get effected by the effects of the rocks maybe
@@Bog_Dog he was there when the woman was, he was still effected with his nose still bleeding but wasn't there long enough for the aging effects to hit by time everyone else arrived
Dementia is horrifying as it is. No one talks about the really hard stuff because it can be scary, embarrassing, heartbreaking, gross, etc. People don't talk about what it feels like when your grandfather starts hitting on you because he doesn't remember you, or when he starts to forget how to clean himself, or how hard it is to smile and have the identical conversation multiple times a day because all he can do is fall back on the same jokes and small talk, or seeing such a gentle, loving man snap at children or steal their toys, or having to call the police because he went missing again because some guy keeps talking him into giving him rides and then he can't find his way home, or how he accused your grandmother of cheating on him because she was gone for a few hours and he has no concept of time, or knowing that he has no idea that she died, or having to put him in a home, knowing that he is in the final stages where he won't even know who he is anymore. I was prepared for him to die twice--once in his mind and once in his body--but it has been way more than twice already. Dementia is always wrapped up like it's just someone going quietly into the good night. It's not. Dementia makes a lot more sense for the movie than schizophrenia, which is so often misrepresented in its own way, as if it's more extreme and dangerous than it often is, while dementia is downplayed.
Thank you for writing this. Dementia isn't just forgetting and acting like a kid. It's incredibly painful and difficult to watch and to deal with. My best to you and your grandfather.
This is so true, my dad had dementia for years before he passed in August 2020 and it was so hard watching the big strong and boisterous man I grew up with disappear as the dementia & Supra Neural Palsy take that person from us. ☹️😢
An older lady I attended church with had Dementia and taught children for years came up to other adult members waiting for children to get out of their class and asked if this was where the children were so she could pick up her grandchildren for her son and his wife (I was there for my nephew).
That was hard as that part of the church had been the children’s wing for twenty years.
It didn’t used to be when the church was first built but had been for years but she didn’t remember anymore and no doubt the presence of so many adults confused her.
That's why watching The Father hurts on a personal level, and makes it more unsetling than most "horror" movies today
Well said. It’s brutal. Sending you the best.
How you tell it's a bad Shyamalan movie:
-Forced and somehow obvious twist
-Awkward delivery
-Strange attempts at comedy
-Demonization of mental illness
-Need to explain everything to the audience because he doesn't trust we are smart enough to understand things
I always discredited being told things outright in movies until I joined some groups to discuss webtoons and realized some people really do need it spelled out in bold for them.
The demonization itself is what makes me not want to watch his movies. I hate it when people write mental illness in that way
Tbf that last one is a Hollywood trend of the last 10+ years. I blame the MCU fans who are literally so dumb they need everything spoon feed to them like toddlers
@@viv7795 haha webtoon readers always make you wonder just how much people need details fed to them-- I've comforted myself with the thought that the readers are mainly children, but I've had that same realization
could not have said it better
"at least I wouldn't get spontaneously pregnant, I'd just die."
Mood, friend, mood.
The debate of "are the lives of the few worth the lives of the many" just... strikes a chord within me. I'm disabled, surrounded by other disabled people, and I would never want to be killed off for someone's science project that they could have carried out without casualties. Every life is worth something.
They basically make that decision for humanity by not having informed consent
Not every life. I don't think anybody would cry if you killed Hitler.
@@t3chkn1ght good point
But Ultimately some Human beings are nothing but a Drain on Society Consuming and Bringing nothing of Value in Return Everyone Should at least Give something back to the Society that sustains them if we had Let Nature take it's course some people would just be food for Animals
That's a debate? I notice people who believe in eugenics are "neurotypical" yet they accuse various neurodivergences of being awful for not having "enough empathy". Disgusting hypocrites.
This entire movie feels like a tumblr writing prompt that’s been reposted on Pinterest
God that's so weirdly specific and so weirdly accurate
That’s exactly how I described the story after I read the graphic novel. There’s A LOT of potential to tell a cool story but it’s…just not
And parts of the post are chopped up
LMFAO
And there’s like a watermark in the corner for ifunny or something, the the image is so grainy that it looks like ancient runes
Man, M Night Shyamalan reaaaally likes using mental illness to make his antagonists scarier. There was no need to replace dementia with violent schizophrenia, all that did was put a bad taste in my mouth.
These conditions do NOT make you an inherent threat to others although that's what this character and every portrayed in Split would have you believe.
Yeah, Ive noticed that too. It’s a big yikes from me.
I still can't believe split happened and people (including my teenage self) just ate it up like nothing was wrong. Now shyamalan just puts a bad taste in my mouth and that reveal didn't surprise me, just pissed me off. And Aster did the same thing in midsommar too
I really thought what he had was dementia the whole time
He did something similar in The Visit too. The elderly couple had some kind of mental illness too. And, honestly, I don't want to see people stigmatizing dementia either. But stigmatizing schizophrenia has to stop.
Not only that bit people with severe mental illness are more likely to be victims than average.
I don’t understand why Shayamalan writes like he’s never written before sometimes? Like people will just SAY things that they would never say, and I know he’s capable of subtlety so...?
Same! It almost seems deliberate sometimes
i don't mean this as a dig at you, but in my opinion i've never understood why people have a problem with his dialogue, i've always enjoyed it since i see it as hyper-stylized. plenty of other movies' dialogue is "things people would never say" and people love it!! but then other writers do it and suddenly it's "bad writing"?? makes no sense to me
Just because it's stylized doesn't mean it's well stylized. It's like artists saying "this is my style"
to wacky hands bc they don't understand anatomy well enough. If the dialogues feel jarring and don't serve any purpose he failed at trying to be artsy.
@@bogdaddy My struggle is that he rarely nails consistent dialogue that will keep you engaged in the movie. The worst offender was Avatar the Last Airbender but I remember the Happening and Lady in the Water having awful moments too. Signs, the Village, and the Sixth Sense seem to have consistently better dialogue so he IS capable??? I never understand his movie loaf tendencies.
@@tiryaclearsong421 oh yeah the avatar dialogue was awful. i think it worked for me in old bc it matched the style/vibes of the movie. avatar.....not so much
The thing that annoyed me the most was that the 30 minutes = 1 year logic is not followed AT ALL.
I have a problem with M. Night constantly using mental disorders as some ploy or it just makes the antagonists more "sinister". People with mental problems have such a bad stigma surrounding them and I feel Shamylan is not helping that. Especially with films like The Visit, Sixth Sense, Split, and pretty much most of his films. I think the only film he didnt involve mental illness was that one movie about the devil being in a elevator.
Yeah. I thought Split was a great film but as someone with DID I think it caused TONS of unrealistic stigma.
And even in that movie Evil, didn't one of the guys had PTSD?
@@rosariogentile3235 oh, you maybe right. Cause I think the guy was responsible for killing someone and was suffering from PTSD.
@@shannonhill5676 yes! That's what I remember too, I've seen it a long time ago so I wasn't sure
And ATLA
As someone who works with dementia patients, the schizophrenia explanation is the epitome of laziness.
Especially since we didn't exactly need him as a villain.
I'm starting to get very uncomfortable with M Night Shymalan and mental illness now.
Especially with Split he seems to keep making digs that mental health is dangerous and Schizophrenia has a big enough stigma as it is.
I thought that maybe he had early onset dementia because of how he was acting off early on before a lot of the really weird stuff started to happen. I really thought they were going that way when the doctor character kept getting distracted with remembering the name of that movie he forgot.
@@amberwillis9617 His "depiction" of DID is insulting and horrific!
@@amberwillis9617 Thank you so much for saying this; I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm a psychiatric nurse and work in acute care, primarily with people who have psychotic disorders. Overwhelmingly, people who have schizophrenia (and other psychotic disorders) are non-violent people. They are just like everyone else; they just happen to have an illness that affects their perception of events around them. Most people who have schizophrenia don't become violent, and the ones who do usually feel threatened in some way. Even then, they aren't the "crazy axe murderer" you see in movies. There is a logic for everything. For comparison, large changes in blood sugar levels in people who have diabetes can cause a change in mental status, yet you never see a diabetic reaching for the knives in movies when they become acutely ill. It's very much a stigma attached to schizophrenia.
Shyamalan has now fallen back on extremely harmful stereotypes of mental illnesses in several movies. The "grandparents" from The Visit were violent killers. The reason given was that they were escaped psychiatric patients. In Split, he provides one of the worst representations of Dissociative Identity Disorder I've ever seen! It is also the cause of his violence, despite rarely being the case in real life. Now, we have yet another movie from Shyamalan in which we have a person with schizophrenia depicted as violent for no reason. I find this trend very distasteful and ignorant. I don't think I will be watching any more of his movies until he clearly demonstrates that he has educated himself on mental illnesses and the impact movies can have on people's perceptions of them.
When you mentioned the baby minded adult being all alone on the beach because their parents died, that actually hit me a certain way.
Children being abandoned, hurt, or crying in anyway shape or form over their parents bodies or just crying because they're alone and scared and upset, it just-
It gets me very upset and makes me want to burst into that reality and just help them and be there for them and comfort them.
What makes it worse is that the baby minded adult doesn't even know what's happening. When they went to sleep, their parents were fine, and then when they woke up they're suddenly four or five times their original size and their parents are gone, and they don't know why their parents aren't waking up and-
gah, i need to stop, i'll turn myself into a sobbing mess if I keep this going-
playing the sims 4 on short lifespan: movie edition
on short lifespan AND on the fastest speed
Can I just point out how much better of title Sandcastle is than Old. One is simple little metaphor that pretty easy to get while the other manages to somehow be both nondescript and on the nose at the same time.
oLd
Before I knew about the comic it was based off of, I was thinking that the movie could’ve been called “Coral Beach” since the coral kind of tied into the movie. But Sandcastle seems like a better title lol
4 people trapped in an elevator, slowly getting killed off one by one... give it a title.
@@toaarky What are the themes of the story? What kind of message do you want to convey? Do you want to be metaphorical or literal, or perhaps even abstract? Minimalist or light novel?
@@stan8479 the movie i just poorly described (i was trying to start a guessing game.) was called Devil.. produced & written by the same guy who did this.
The age of onset of schizophrenics is early 20’s for men. If he had schozophrenia, he would have been showing significant signs by the very start. Dementia definitely makes more sense.
Well, schizophrenia often develops in early to mod 20s, but has also been known to develop in early childhood and old age. Theres no "Either you have this at 24 or you dont"
I thought dementia too
@@thepinkestpigglet7529 Very true, but when I say onset I’m referring to the development of maladaptive symptoms to the point of warranting a diagnosis. Schizophrenia is one of those “odd cases” in neurology where multiple factors are required to have sufficient symptoms for a full diagnosis- they need for the brain to reach a state of full development as well as having it present in family history. Prior to the “age of onset” it can be called “early onset” or “schizoaffective personality” but cannot be a confirmed case because the brain is still developing and may reform its connections.
There are also different types of schizophrenia and severities. Schizophrenia that would be exacerbated by age would likely be catatonic, which his issues with paying attention to the surgery would have been indicative of- but catatonic results in a significant decrease in activity, not his weird full blown “final boss mode” behavior. It CAN be argued though that maybe the rapid increase of age could have resulted in brain trauma that affected his brain’s plasticity, but again his early symptoms don’t quite match up.
they said he had schozophrenia in the movie
@@Apryll. Yes, that is the issue. By his age all symptoms should have manifested meaning he wouldn’t just suddenly be in rage mode or whatever. That’s not how schizophrenia works, it isn’t a rage virus. Though guess we shouldn’t be surprised because this director has some weird tendency to make mental illness into some kind of monster transformation point.
The scene with the calcium deficient woman becoming all mangled and broken made people in my theater burst out in laughter lmao. Not a good sign…
I’m tokophobic(fear of pregnancy and childbirth) and have a calcium deficiency. Soooo I’m just gonna skip this whole damn movie.
I started laughing with my friends because it made me really uncomfortable and she just looked crazy
I watched it alone and that was one of the only parts that was somewhat unnerving to me.
Funny? That was the only scary/disturbing moment in the whole movie D:
Hilarious how she dropped the rock and fucked up her whole arm. And then proceeded to fuck up every other limb.
wait if they age rapidly wouldn't they die of starvation in like 5 minutes?
That probably would have made for a better film
Barry Allen said he needs a lot of food to live because he moves so fast yet we rarely ever see him eat food he should be eating 24/7 but yea
Honestly if I were the scientists, I would care more about zeroing in on how people affected can heal and grow so rapidly while violating thermodynamics and conservation of mass in the process.
The implications of that are way, way huger than pharmaceuticals.
That’s the explanation for how the baby immediately died.
If their bodies are aging faster, why don't the all have Rapunzel length hair?
Honestly, the schizophrenia thing just felt incredibly distasteful.
I think it was meant to be like early onset Alzheimer's? Given how they made it clear they were there because of a diagnosis, just like everybody else.
always is. this director can never represent mental disorders without being stigmatizing or spreading misinformation.
@@mai-mj2bf it’s a movie.... who is watching this or anything else and thinking that’s how they all act? Schizophrenia isn’t fun in any capacity so showing someone being a killer because of it isn’t really an issue....
@@vikkidonn many, MANY people do that. so many people will be influenced and go "oh so this is what schizophrenia or did is like because its in a movie so it must be true" im not even kidding so many fucking people think like that. it IS an issue and its affected me personally
@@vikkidonn fucking hell! A schizophrenic is no more likely to kill someone than you are! Painting neurodivergent people as evil villains with a thirst for blood literally harms the most vulnerable community in the world! People make their autistic kids drink fuckin bleach because of stigma. Someone having a panic attack or a seizure in the streets is more likely to get shot by a fuckin cop. Movies like these are literal death sentences to people who often can't fuckin live alone without help no matter how much they'd try. Painting vulnerable people as the villains *kills*
Spoiler warning: least believable thing in a story about people aging 2 years every hour was when the cop believed the middle aged man who approached him and said hi, I'm the 6 year old you met yesterday.
Lmao that's such a good point
He probably didn’t believe him until given the list of missing people names, then it became part of his duty to check if said names were actually missing. At that point, he would probably believe anything our protagonist said, to try and get more info. And I doubt our protagonist started off by saying he was 6 years old the day before. But yeah pretty bad movie
He didn’t say he was the 6 year old he met the other day. He just said “you’re a cop right. Look at this”
He didn’t mention anything about his age when meeting the cop after the beach tho
pro tip when you write spoiler warning, put it in caps and put your actual spoilers below it, invisible at first glance. otherwise theres no warning lol
What's really cool about this, as a concept, is that beach resort culture is so steeped in all manor of STUFF related to age. It's marketed as this escapist world for the young and beautiful, but also a magnet for retired seniors. And it is supposed to be an escape from time, so this makes for an interesting reversal.
What really bothers me is filmmakers trying to use mental illnesses as plot points and demonizing people who have these mental illnesses. And unsurprisingly, this is not the first time M. Night has done this. Remember Split?
@Aas He also did it in the Visit and 6th Sense.
"Violent schizophrenia" has me rolling my eyes. Psychotic people are not dangerous, and psychosis is overused (and often used incorrectly) in horror.
I've suffered psychosis, people think you completely lose touch with reality and become violent. That's not true at all. I was very in touch with reality, but my thought processes changed somewhat due to trauma. But I self healed. I was never violent.
Havvvve ya watched 'St. Maud'? 😆
Joking aside yeah, usually people going through psychosis aren't violent. Some are though and that tends to overshadow everyone and create a stereotype.
I can respect/recognize that some of the stigma comes from the internal self-preservation instinct people naturally have, though.
@@thevixter82 Same. I was in a mental health hospital for it and I acted okay and even had normal thought processes. The only thing off was I had an imaginary friend who I would see and have full conversations with, and in my mind be was just another kid, but in all actuality my mind made him up to help cope after years of abuse.
it's also used to justify racism/black pain. Played out....
Yeah, violent schizophrenics are a rarity. I'm saying this as someone whose PTSD stems from living with one. The majority are much more likely to hurt themselves in their confusion or get hurt by others.
Using mental illness as the bad guy is so very often just pure laziness, a writer's crutch, and it's abhorrent.
Can we talk about how the beach not only changed Trent's age, but changed his race.... twice!
from white to middle eastern to indian I think? also the dad was mexican and the mom was also white. I don’t think Shamalan understands race??
@@cascalavera9388 props to him for not seeing race
@@angshumanbora8974 xD
@@cascalavera9388 the way he handled his adaptation of the last airbender proves this to be true
This is from the same director that made a character say "the broken are more evolved", so i'm not really surprised by this to be honest lol
No offense taken, I could barely contain myself from laughing when she name dropped me.
For a second I feared your name was mid-sized Sedan. 😱
@@Eskapismus dude same 😂
The nosebleed makes sense if the guy gets nosebleeds once in a while and would until the rest of his life as some people do. Except in this case it would start, stop, start and stop again.
His blood is clotting he probably would’ve been the first one to die if he didn’t get stabbed and he still probably died from the stab wounds because his blood was clotting when the wounds were trying to heal just like the main dad when he’s getting cut by the doctor his cuts heals faster than wolverine
@@OgGuak420 that's not what a clotting disorder is. you're body has chemicals called clotting factors that are responsible for for example, clotting your blood so you don't bleed out after a paper cut. a disorder can result in blood clotting too much like you're saying, or in blood not clotting enough or at all in the case of haemophiliacs. his blood isn't spontaneously congealing throughout his body, if that was the case he wouldn't be having spontaneous nose bleeds. His blood isn't clotting that's why he has a nose bleed lasting hours in the comic.
I would describe my mental health stability as Mr Shyamalan's career
My sympathies...
Oof
So you're recovering......right?
@@LucianCorrvinus that was sweet, thank you
@@punkinboi thank you, I like your username c:
the graphic storyline of a little girl’s autonomy taken away(giving birth as a mental child) is extremely disturbing and idk I just wanna know who thought that was an ok idea
Yeah it was pretty gross
I mean, I think it works as a concept because in the comic, it's very much about the course of life and childbirth is usually a part of that in some way.
In the film, it seems like Shyamalan just wanted the shock
I honestly thought it was going into the CSA route or that the baby was developing faster than they could it out and it bursting through routes but nope can't explore body horror or a serious issue. Then again I don't trust him to not ruin s serious issue
@@carlycrays2831 but why it had to be a six year old girl, they could've made an older women getting pregnant on purpose because she was scared of running out of Time and never experiencing it.
Making someone who's mentaly a child go through it just feels wrong
@@aaa5126 By that point, the older women are too old to be pregnant. And no sane person would be thinking about sex.
I don't know, it's something I got the importance of for the comic because it fit with what the comic was doing. Here in the film, it just felt very gratuitous and off.
i’m taking movies away from m. night until he can make a single film where a character’s bad choices or actions isn’t hand waved away by demonizing mental illness
Not gonna lie, Amanda the Doctor is straight up terrifying.
"what six year old knows about mortgage"
when i was 5 i found out about taxes and cried
And this kid seems very smart and a little different.
Lol are your parents libertarian? In what context do adults explain taxes to a little kid
@@Minam0 you need to pay or u go to jail…. I was little I thought I would forget to pay and they would arrest me. I’m okay now I’m an adult that pays taxes :D
@@Minam0 mum was a banker
@@dianaval6082 or poor parents who Tell their kids why there isn't food on the table or lights.
“Good ideas, not sure of the execution” sums up 90% of how I feel when I watch his work
For me, the children remind me of people who spend 30 plus years in jail, leave jail with no life experiences and have “wasted” quality time. The children leave the island in their 50s, which is so depressing .... no children, no adult experience and only seeing death.
The fact that someone’s name is “mid sized Sudan” just makes me think that this whole movie is just chaos from a rogue Jojo stand messing with people
Literally just the stand Grateful Dead.
Se-dan. Sudan is a place.
Amazing haha making me want to go back and watch JoJo again!
@@dillonowens3604 no, that's just the stand's name. It's a small version of the country.
There is literally a Jojo stand in Part 5 whose power is extremely rapid aging, called Grateful Dead
"Violent schizophrenic" well it seems Manoj learned literally nothing from the backlash to Split
Nah, he thinks that criticism is just because critics hate him and only come from them.
It's like he can't fucking help himself.
This is why I refuse to watch any M. Night after Split.
@@danielaardila5081 So he's a narcissist, then. That tracks.
Because schizophrenics have never been violent.....?
Idea for best Shamalyan twist ever! There is no twist! I mean everyone's expecting a twist with a M. Knight movie right? So the twist is that there's no twist! Love it! :D
he already did that
Honestly this movie didn't feel like it had a twist to me. The trailer revealed the beach aged people, so I went in knowing that, it was pretty clear the resort knew about it from the start. The "Why" they were doing it was interesting in a sense, but a twist should make all you have seen be viewed in a different light. This wasn't that. It was just the very simple explination. Why does the resort send them there... experiments. Okay. That's not a twist.
me, a schizophrenic: yay another schizophrenic murder. We need more of those in media... woo
Good luck friend! Hope that things change in media perception...our generation can bring this crap to an end. 💜✌🏽
I know, right? I am bipolar with psychotic tendencies. The worst my psychosis will do is having me disassemble electronics and doors to search for hidden cameras, but thanks to media people hear "psychotic" and think I go all stabby stabby.
@@QueerCripple Oh no, people better watch out when you go psychotic, they may get their phones killed oh noooo.
I hate that media loves to pick mental illness as their big bad so often. When more often than not it hurts the person suffering more than it hurts the people surrounding them.
Yeah it was a blanket write off
I saw a trailer for this when I went to see black widow and the girl sitting next to me said and I quote "im not seeing a movie by the guy who RUINED the greatest cartoon of all time". I mean she wasn't wrong though.
Girl's definitely got a point
For a long time I tried to defend M. Night but after dumpster fire he did on Airbender he has lost all sympathy. Even if I wasn't a fan the move was crap.
And then everyone clapped
@@jaydiarie ???
Yet you both watched black widow..
After the ATLA movie, hearing Shyamalan’s name gives me PTSD
I agree, just seeing his name used to fill me with ancipation. Now it fills me with dread.
There's no ATLA live action movie in Ba Sing Se
My cousin actually liked the movie 😂💀
What is PSTD???
@@diamonddoggspuppy7755 Ooops, typo! I fixed it XD
Thanks
It was honestly a blessing in disguise when these idiots in the front row of the theatre wouldn’t shut up in the beginning of the movie. Because I totally missed the pharmaceutical company conversation. Definitely made for a better ending. Also I didn’t really pay attention to the drinks either.
Why are the drinks special?
@@DeathnoteBB Contained drugs to experiment on test subjects, to see if the treatment would work or not.
Old felt like it could've been an SCP movie if it went a bit deeper and strove to hit the R rating as well.
It shouldve been an scp movie. At least then there would've been experiment logs to go off of.
My first thought after watching the trailer was: when the kids suddenly aged how did their clothes got bigger too?
There's actually a scene where the mom gives her daughter some spare clothes to change into while she was growing, so they probably did that for the other kids too, just not on screen
It is explained in the movie. The mom gives Maddox her spare bikini, Trent is wearing his father's shirt at some point, and in the end, Maddox is wearing the light red shirt Insta-mom was wearing in the beginning
The real question is why did the adults all bring extra clothes to a beach with nowhere to change
@@avacurtis2729 I don't know about you, but when I go to the beach I always bring extra clothes. I can change in the car or find a hidden space or something; anything to get out of the sandy salty wet bikini.
@@avacurtis2729 All you need is a friend and a large towel or picnic blanket. It's also pretty easy just to change underneath a loose fitting dress or oversized shirt. Going for an entire day out at a beach without a change of clothes would be a much weirder thing in my eyes, as a super pale person I'd at least have extra layers to protect myself from the sun.
And now I'm thinking about how none of them got super burnt from sun exposure despite apparently being in direct strong sunlight for entire years without reapplying suncream!
I honestly thought "Rusty Utensils from the resort," was referring to another rapper
HAHAHA
definitely a horror core rapper
Your description of this movie reminds me of a quote from Angel: "If nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do."
I didnt get how midsize sedan didn't age at all even though he spent so long on the island
Black don’t crack
My favorite part was when the blue-eye 16 year old turned into a 50 year old brown-eye woman
Eye color/ hair color can change naturally with age.
"but also just makes me feel more reassured that if I was on this island I would not get spontaneously pregnant, I would just die really fast." Same, girl. Same.
So I'm not the only person who was creeped out by the rapid pregnancy in the trailer ? Because I saw it shouted "what the fuck ?!?" Then went to the wikipedia page to see what the fuck that was about and it didn't explain shit at all so I tried to just erase it from my mind.
The longer Old went on, the more ham-fisted it became. By the end, I checked out and felt like I experienced it all through the dad’s blurry, almost blind eyes.
This is the first movie I have ever seen that got progressive worst every 15 min lol
Thanks for breaking this down. I was loosely curious about this one.
I love you OT 😭
Hi OT
I'm always surprised by how many RUclipsrs watch the same people I watch
ONE TOPIC?!?!?
Bruh
Also first furry
I loved how they could hold the incision open with their dirty fingers and have the wound exposed for "months" without any complications...
If mid size sedan stayed there overnight, wouldn’t he be ancient by now?
Spontaneous pregnancy is LITERALLY my nightmare
Hahahaha
The thought makes my skin crawl. I would honestly probably end myself lol
OMG, I used to have nightmares about that too!
Same. I never had the "taking a test I'm not prepared for in my underwear" dream. But I had the "suddenly pregnant and in labor while trying to convey 'no, really, I actually AM a virgin'" dream plenty, especially in my teenage years.
I still haven't watched Umbrella Academy since the first episode features spontaneous pregnancy, and that scares me half to death
So with the whole Alzheimer's thing; they could have just left the suggestion that his rapid onset of confusion was due to the aging effects of the beach just accelerating the disease and it would've fit fine. They didn't need to "lol actually its schizophrenia" us as if that would somehow make more sense and also man I am so over schizophrenia being used as the gotcha moment of every thriller/horror movie.
I used to work in psychiatry, and the amount of Hollywood nonsense people believe (patients and families) is shocking. I think most people know movies and TV shows aren’t known for their accuracy (for guns, for martial arts,etc), but for psychiatry…many take every ridiculous movie fiction on as absolute fact.
@@Itried20takennames I know it is sooo fucking frustrating and even more with that clown making movies
@@Itried20takennames I don't know in English but in my country, people use "schizo" as synonymous to "multiple personality disorder" when they see someone acting out of character or having a mood change. Mocking multiple personality disorder like this is weird enough, but they have to confuse it with schizophrenia in the process.
Especially M. Night can't seem to let go of this trope. For the amount of movies he's made featuring mentally ill people... just stop! Mental health issues are surrounded by enough stigmas as it is, we don't need any more of this rubbish!
I haven’t seen that happen in a movie ever
Maybe I’m a weird parent, but when my son was little & we talked about “The 3 Little Pigs,” I concluded the story by saying that they “lived happily ever after in the little brick house….with the mortgage payments.” He’s now an adult, a new dad, and yes, lives in a house with mortgage payments.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to adapt one of Junji Ito's stories.
I sure hope he doesn't.
god please no
He better fuckin not
Better not, he'd mess it up in every way possible
No hell no he better stay away from Junji ito's work
Shyamalan has such a bizarre up and down career.
Indeed, some of his movies are watchable, like The Village, The Sixth Sense or Signs. But his formula is mostly worn up now.
He's the nic cage of directing
Has he though? He went up and came down, and he's been there since.
Just like Nicolas Cage. His newest movie, Pig, is the first one he’s starred in in years to have a fresh score on Rotten Tomatoes.
Newsweek never lived down the 2002 cover calling him "the next Spielberg."
The six year olds going for it is horrifying. I guess they wouldn't have had the talk or known what it was so I don't know what they thought they were doing but I doubt they knew it could lead to pregnancy
Just Amanda's description made me sick and anxious.
The whole point is that their hormones are changing as they age so they are aging because the brain is undergoing different chemistry than when they were 6. If they were truly still mentally six they would have no desire to have sex. Animals don't need to be taught what sex is, I suspect humans isolated from society would be able to figure it out as well.
I guess it makes sense somehow, but it still feels really really messed up 😂 Then the birth somehow works, but the Baby's dead anyway. Dunno if the shock factor was worth it 🙈
@@greebmcfleeb5554 people who are mentally children still go through physical puberty
In the movie the dad says "what you did is how babies are made" and the son says " I know but I thought you had to do it like 10 times" uhhh what 6 year old knows those things
The calcium deficiency death really horrified me. I've always had a bad back, shoulders, and legs, and sometimes it hurts so bad I can't run or even look down. Dying like that would be worse than being stabbed...
I thought it was grossly tasteless and offensive, Chrystal deserved much, much better
I never wanted to watch this movie solely for the trailer showing that the whole pregnant thing was gonna happen and I rather not see that. Actually I just go out of my way to watch thriller movies to begin with so it’s nice seeing a review of the movie because I was curious but not enough to make myself watch the full movie. So yeah good job on the review.
10000% why Im here exactly
Holy shit I didn't realise the actual statistics on this. How many of this guy's movies actually do this to mental health? Is it like 9/10 type shit? Is he deliberately demonizing mental health? I didn't realize it was so common in his movies.
You know ... maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't even realize he's doing it that often. I've seen way too many directors confronted with their reoccurring, obvious issues around a type of person, and going, " ... Oh." I don't know, but my money's on he's just clueless about how his feelings about mental health keep coming out in his work.
@@MoonShadowWolfe 1.) He's surrounded by yes men, and 2.) He's acting like mental illness is a blight on society, not a lived reality for most of us
He's also really ageist. I feel like he is really scared of his own mortality/death in general.
@@dermiker Yeah his portrayals of older/elderly people leaves much to be desired.
@@dermiker i mean, he literally said that his own fears about death and aging were part of the inspiration for old...so he's aware of it to some extent.
I don't know what it is but I can't even watch the trailer for this movie. Hearing that girl scream "mom I'm scared" with the obvious implication that a little girl just got aged up into a teenager/adult is horrific to me. My greatest fear is someone I love needing me and me not being able to protect them.
yep. same. i have never been scared of a trailer, but this one disturbed me to the point where i had to leave the theater until it ended when it played before black widow.
The idea of this movie creeps me out so much I couldn’t watch it even if I wanted to
@she writes yeah I was at the hospital earlier and this trailer played and a dude in the waiting room actually covered his ears. This trailer is just to disturbing.
It seems like a miserable movie to sit through. I honestly can’t stand movies that feature children/minors in danger; it seems so tacky most of the time.
@@roshnipatel1590 As someone who saw it in theaters bc my dad loves movies
That's the whole movie
I saw it today while I was third wheeling one of my friends and her boyfriend, I actually met a really nice movie nerd who I coincidentally go to school with, and we talked about it and how many plot holes there were and that’s the only reason that I enjoyed the movie, it’s because I was talking to him about it constantly
Update us on the story!! I hope everything works out for you, that was adorable
Okay, but I can’t be the only one who was holding back loud laughter when calcium deficient girl was breaking her bones 😅🤣
amanda ma'am PLEASE - i am meant to be writing a video script right now and i haven't even seen this movie AND YOU DROP THIS - i can't NOT watch it!!!
HOPE YOU ENJOY
@@AmandaTheJedi I am having doubts that shyamalan steals scripts from others, and when it comes to writing his own stories, he falls harder than a pen from a sky. You know, gravity. Come on, the man has The sixth sense, unbreakable, signs, the village, split. One is a masterpiece loved by everyone, the other two are a part of franchise, signs is alien farming movie with water being their kryptonite, and the other is a horryfying tale of pseudo modern age where people want to get out of urban life and want to live a quiet life. I mean, the village was situated in a forest area, where are the bloody forest department officers, let alone has the main protagnist ever seen a airplane or a helicopter on sk.......never mind. She is a blind woman.
I feel u 100% on the pregnancy scene, I first saw the trailer and was like "huh, this seems interesting, I should check it out" and then that part happened and I was like "Ah, I can never watch this movie."
I still don’t understand how she was pregnant but I didn’t watch the movie but whatever
@@fellownerd1138 her and the other boy hit puberty in about 10 seconds and were alone in a tent
@@OgGuak420 I feel like that’s kind of a messed up concept it certainly should not be in the movie
@@fellownerd1138 oh yeah it's incredibly messed up
Crystal’s death made me laugh because it reminded me of the guy from Futurama who died of Bonitis.
She was so busy being an instaMom she forgot to cure it!
@@mercuropheliac Her only regret…was having…Bonitis…
seeing that pregnant kid in the movie immediately threw me off the whole thing. I still wanted to know what happened though, so I'm glad I clicked on this video! Your explanation of both the movie itself and the comic its based on and the themes they both explore was excellent and entertaining to listen to.
M Night is like Russian Roulette: The Director. Will he make a masterpiece or will he waste all the money you've given him?
Russian roulette except all the chambers have a bullet except one. Which will you get? Your odds aren't good.
Jeremy Jahns fan?
Nah, he has two good movies, his two first ones. All the rest are shit. And I bet if you look at those two, there were other people involved who were probably responsible for their quality.
He funds his own movies
Honestly I do wonder if Shyamalan feels obligated to have a twist in movies that might not even need one. Like I wonder if he has ideas for good movies but forces in a big twist unnecessarily because he feels like he has to live up to his brand
Good thing this movie doesn't have a major twist.
I started thinking that when I saw Glass. I thought the first 2/3 of Glass was as fantastic but the twist at the end was so terrible and stupid that it ruined the rest of the movie and it left me wondering why he ALWAYS has a twist
I think this ending was more of a reveal, not a twist
Yeah I feel like he thinks that's his "thing" that sets him aside and puts his signature on the movie which is just unfortunate cause so many of his movies would have been outstanding without the twist. I think he easily could have kept his feel without keeping the same structure every time
@@r520jr8 completely agree, the whole series was ruined for me by that. Won't even watch unbreakable (never seen found out about it after seeing glass) and now pretend split is a stand alone movie with no creature ending 😂 I've been wondering about his twists since midnight meat train tho, the ending just felt so out of place and uneeded to me.
I feel like even schizophrenia could have worked if they just put in the slightest bit of effort. I %100 agree that a story like this should have had dementia instead, seeing as it’s dealing with aging. Hell, it’d be incredibly uncomfortable and unsettling if one of the kids had early onset dementia instead, and it’d be a hellova thing to tackle. But, while it wouldn’t be nearly as impactful, schizophrenia is also an option.
Schizophrenia becomes worse with time. That could easily have been tackled here, but there were no hints to the guy having it. Just having him answer nothing here or there, an occasional, “what?” while no one’s talking. I’d be fine if it genuinely explored how schizophrenia works, it being more a defense mechanism that is built for a being meant to be paranoid rather than modern human society. Seeing a guy slowly go from a kind of odd, reserved dude to a paranoid, aggressive one, constantly being told in his head that someone’s gonna hurt him would be interesting, in my opinion. I also feel like episodes could have been a topic to tackle, as well as medication or how schizophrenia should and shouldn’t be managed. But no, they took the laziest route possible, and demonized an already stigmatized mental illness.
Kinda makes me wanna’ write a slice of life story about a dude who happens to have schizophrenia actually living a decent life and vibing, since so many people seem to think that’s impossible.
the nosebleed was a side-effect they were tracking as part of the anti-clotting medication test patient (im guessing)... so it was commented on if you paid close attention at the end. it was pretty quickly mentioned so its easy to miss.
Shyamalan likes to jump the shark in the weirdest way possible.
I call it the "Shyamalan effect" you have ONE obstacle and this guy DOES overcome the obstacle but in the weirdest most horrible possible way-
I think both the hype some of his stuff has, paired with great ideas and no idea how to properly execute the idea leads to what he does most of the time.
He likes to think he's jumping the shark... But he's never once made it
I saw the trailer of this movie when I was in Cinema for Black Widow and it gave soooooo much away.
Same thing happened to me. I was intrigued at first, then realized I'd most likely seen the whole plot.
same same
Me and my cousin both turned and looked at each other after the trailer like 🤨🧐
SAME
Was the Black Widow movie good?
This flashed me back to the drug trial I was in in my early 20's. They dropped me because my condition was too severe and I'd screw up their numbers lol
Omg the High School Musical mini montage was perfect! Now I want someone to recut the Old trailer as if it were a DCOM. 😂
Appalled to learn this movie's original title is "Old." I mean, yeah, it has to do with the plot and all, but 'Old', really? C'mon, it's like if Titanic was named 'Sea.'
Sounds like Disney came up with the title. Lol.
@@MaiiOrduna lol yeah, that's how 'the ice queen' became 'frozen'
I laughed too hard at my own reaction to this, so I felt I had to share it.
"Don't you mean 'Boat?'"
Or "sink"😂
its suposed to be like a 'fear' type thing. being OLD is a fear for most peopel
i was wondering why she called her video "old" it took me 3 minutes to realise thats the name of the movie. 😂
Me too, I had to do a double take for a second before I got it!
i was 100% certain she was like reuploading content or something
I got an ad for the movie on RUclips a few hours ago, but the way it was translated into my native language had nothing to do with the original title, so I was trying to find the name of this weird ass movie trailer because I had no idea what the trailer was trying to tell me and here's Amanda to the rescue 😂
Same lol
Shovelman really though “Old” was a good title? What about “Growing Pains” or something?
Missed opportunity: Shovel Knight
Even something simple like “The Beach”
@@connieallen6804 The beach exists, but "At the beach" Hmm Vacation?
Or "Life is a Beach"
The pregnancy was disgusting I’m so glad you mentioned it the incest just makes it so much worse it’s just 100% appalling
What incest?
Having the camera at weird and odd angles to keep the kids faces obscured so we found out they were older at the same time as their parents was really clever
Except it was on the trailer
@@thatlemonadeguy6742 Yeah but given the circumstances….
It really wasn't it was so obvious like m night has not make a good film in a while it's like he just has glaring mistakes and never fixed them
I didn’t think so because it would’ve been more skillful if we looked at things that literally distracted us from them until they reappear as older. Looking at their shoulders, thighs, and foreheads for 2-3 minutes is just not interesting to look at
while i do think it was rlly obvious each time they aged, i still think it was a cool concept and if executed better could have really made an impact on the movie. of course the trailers spoiled everything but even then when trent and maddox were first shown to have aged despite already knowing that it had happened, i found myself thinking "oh, wild." the 2 minute straight shots from the same angle on random body parts wasn't very fun tho, so def a big emphasis on the "if executed better"
Shyamalan is like the game beanboozled. Sometimes you get something delicious, sometimes you get toothpaste; however sometimes people like the toothpaste flavor!
And sometimes you get barf
@@pissonmyboots however some people like barf
Toothpaste actually tastes good for an unconventional flavor. Earthworm, barf, and boogers are the worst for me. Never been able to get them down. I think The Visit is my toothpaste, it was so bad it was funny. But the happening, ATLA, we’re earthworms for me.
Toothpaste is just a minty flavour, really not that bad compared to all the other "gross" tastes
The canned dog food was the worst flavor
"so if you knew how much time you had left how would you use it?"
Memento Mori - U.A
The Village makes me laugh... doesn't hit like it did when I was a kid.
But Signs, that's a masterpiece. And aside from the questionable mental health themes in Split, it was a very well executed movie that genuinely terrified me.
Eh I don't know about Signs being a masterpiece with those awful CGI aliens
The clean end really doesn't make sense either. Like, the whole thing is clearly a huge operation but they don't have any sort of security or team of people to handle possible escapers? Escapees? Escapists? Like. I expected someone to come out and tackle them or something or shoot the helicopter down. But even with that not happening, why is anyone listening to these people? They're adults claiming that they were children yesterday who have a list of missing people. I would think they were just crazy.
Just the fact that the people in the helicopter were in military uniforms and flying over the weird beach I found ominous. I don’t remember where they said the resort is, but military presence so quickly at the end was foreboding to me.
Apparently the ending scenes were added after test audiences complained about the medical company not receiving the consequences for their actions. I’m pretty sure it’s supposed to end when Trent knocks the drinks over but everything after the corals could be a reshoot too.
Honestly I’d do some terrible things for Ari Aster’s version of Sandcastle.
Oof yeah, I'd never be able to watch tho bc his movies trigger my anxiety to hell but God they're so good
Agreed
It’s incredible that Shyamalan, a man with famously bad writing, manages to really top himself in the reveal of how the beach works at the end.
The fists were so ham that PETA got involved
Cool additions to your reviews lately! Clearly delineated spoiler zones, and fantastically fun re-enactments to illustrate your points… great stuff :)
The pregnancy bit sounds like it A: should be worse than the imprinting in Twilight and B: sounds infinitely better than Twilight…which is a very disturbing thought.
HELLO, FAN OF THE TWILIGHT BOOKS HERE, NOT REALLY IN IT FOR THE MOVIES! Idk if it explained it in the movies but the whole “imprinting” things isn’t as bad as it sounds (yes I just said that BUT JUST BARE WITH ME) it doesn’t necessarily mean that Jacob is IN love with Reese’s cup or whatever her name is (I’ll just call her Esme) like, take this for example:
If Bella had chosen Jacob, Jacob still would have imprinted on ESME. He would have been a VERY protective dad
So it doesn’t mean that ESME and Jacob will be lovers, cause the imprinting thing is just like a nerd Jacob has to protect Esme. Ik I didn’t explain it all to well but I know there are some articles or posts out there that explain it better than I do
@@vex7975 I get that they ‘don’t have to be’ lovers. But it is explicitly stated that they imprint on the person who will give them the best chance of passing their genes to their offspring - that explicitly implies that sex will eventually be a part of their relationship because you need sexual encounters to create your genetic heir. So excuse my while I now go try to get rid of the whole grooming of children and babies for a breeding program from my brain. Meyer could easily have fixed this from being ick to something more acceptable - like it only happens between adults say after they’ve slept together and not as soon as they clap eyes on someone. That would also get rid of the problematic issue of some innocent and clueless person suddenly getting a potentially unwanted admirer. So, kudos to you for sticking up to a book series you clearly enjoy but the problems with this are not going to go away that easily. And the visual you gave of Bella marrying Jacob and him fancying his stepdaughter is even worse!! It’s abhorrent and disgusting.
“He’s out of line but he’s got a point” that’s all I got think of💀
@@vex7975 I also read the books and your interpretation of this is EXTREMELY generous
@@vex7975 You mean Renesme....