Microsoft AI analysed 33 million candidates to find material to replace lithium
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- Опубликовано: 13 янв 2024
- Microsoft AI analysed 33 million candidates to find material to replace lithium
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Microsoft AI is amazing. I believe they are working right now on developing a super Clippy. One that accurately deducts if you are trying to type a letter.
It’s a copilot for Word, Excel, & PowerPoint. & it will write the letter for you when you’re too busy to write it yourself.
Impossible!
And it will determine humanity is its enemy and destroy us all...that's how smart it is
After Clippy, they'll bring back Bob. A better Bob.
maybe it can fix the pathetic search function in outlook 365
They found Lithium in Salton Sea ( California ) and it can be used for 375 million electric cars. It will be extracted from geothermal brines which is a less energy-intensive method. The brine concentration is 400mg/L which is considered good.
Same in the Upper Rhine graben. 26 million tonnes resource.
Cannot pass environmental for sure.
They don't care the least about that or the cheapness of sodium instead or the ease of recyclability of sodium... They only care about that commodities investment market substance price explosion... now that it's low again.
They "found" it there? Ha! They **knew it was there before they looked** and they knew the exact concentration too because they know where and when the water came from and they've been putting up with a cosmic stench ever since.
Tell me you watch a lot of RUclips without telling me you watch a lot of RUclips.
In 2013 "A team of scientists from Ames National Laboratory developed a new machine learning model for discovering critical-element-free permanent magnet materials" Lots of machines working to compress the next 250 years into the next 20 years.
yes, this channel starts to be quantity over quality, this one is probably its lowest ever, UNWATCHABLE blah blah
So... if i get this right by using AI Microst reduced 33 million different chemicals and 250 years of research to 25 years
Although a Chinese company is already doing this
Must say sort of proves the "250 years" in question...
It sucks that you're forced to watch these videos and complaincomplaincomplain...@@compsourcegoogle1284
More than 10 years ago? So what came of that?
@@Withnail1969 I copied and pasted it incorrectly it should’ve been 2023 I don’t know how I got 2013 well you should Google what is inside the quotes because it will point to a technical paper but I think the magnets they are working on, they’re still working on how to make them because Magnets require a special temperature and preparation to actually become magnetic
Aluminum ions will work great but will require titanium or copper collector foils. 3 electrons per ion would easily compensate for the more expensive materials needed for the collectors, though.❤
I was going to say to just use aluminum. May not have the cycles due to pitting.
Al sulpher has been tested and one way of keeping it working and increasing the efficiency is apparently is to seed the electrolyte with Lithium ions.. it doesnt take much and they act akin to sheep dogs herding the big charge carriers across and sliding them into the gates.. preventing damage to the cathodes and anodes in cycling.
@pukaman2000 yup it would dissolve and pit like lithium foils in metal anode lithium ion batteries. It needs a conductive skeleton that won't disolve in the electrolyte.
@@christopherleubner6633
Theres a research paper on it the other factor was a unique electrolyte.
Have you been following Graphene Manufacturing Group? Sounds like you might be.
There are already numerous lithium alternatives that are in various states of development.
Lithium is, for our purposes, among the most active metals on the periodic chart. There is no AI generated magic compound that will allow us to move more ions. The composition of matter, being what it is. Electrochemical energy storage has finite and well known limits.
its amazing that Microsoft's research acceleration AI could come to the same conclusion as you in such a small amount of time instead of the centuries and millenia it would have taken normal human beings. Truly a monumental feat.
Almost as amazing as it taking just 11 months to find a "safe and permanent" cure for the Covid bug after hundreds of years of failure. (cough, cough)
you are disregarding all the many accidentally discovered things and phenomena
@@etyrnal how am i doing that?
@@sproccoli by suggesting that we could ONLY reach certain levels of discovery through the use of ai. by suggesting that humans would never have come to these discovers for many many years without ai
@@etyrnal that isn't what i am suggesting. thats what the person who made this video is suggesting, of course, making a special exception for themself. Im being sarcastic because it makes them look like an egomaniac
oh! you showed the Big Nickel in Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. Im from that hell hole of a town.
Their answer from their great AI - Use Windows XP
AMEN to that. Stop 'improving things'.
You couldn't make it up, could you! Tesla, leading the world on AI! FFS, and people believe this 5h!t.
Great video, I hope they also use the A.I. for testing the safety of novel new materials before releasing them on the world.
Where's the profit in that?
Just kidding. They will never prioritize safety enough to spend any money or time on it. Given: History.
@@OKOKOKOKOKOKOK-zn2fy Not true. People care a lot about toxicity now. It's not 1950 any more.
@@incognitotorpedo42
People, yes... Corporations, NO.
AI is not what it is cracked up to be.
@@rogerphelps9939 They will have to come up with new terms to describe the rate of AI's intelligence growth. In 20 years, AI computers will possess god-like intelligence.
We'll all be out of jobs by 2040.
HERE WE GOOOO🌎🔥🔥🚀🚀🚀🚀 ai starting to problem solve oh yeah future about to go crazy yah best get ready because sh about to go down
Wow, this is a very informative video. Thanks 🙏🏻 brother
The method described exactly the method by which the pharmaceutical companies select target molecules for medicines. This method is I believe used for almost 20 years. So the AI scare is not needed at all.
4:32 and this is the proof that this method is widely used - the Chinese obviously did the same research, but they didn't say any AI was used on it.
Ultimately, AI could have a significant impact on curing cancer and advancing healthcare overall. By tackling these challenges head-on and forging partnerships, companies like Etcembly are helping us move towards a future where AI plays a pivotal role in defeating this deadly disease.23 Oct 2023
You think the medical industrial complex wants cancer cured?
Only if it benefits big pharma unfortunately.
It's a social economic problem
@shawno9564 big pharma is performing some extremely dangerous pathenogenic function gain research as we speak. Sometimes these viruses leak out of labs or infect workers of a lab who leave the quarantine zone during incubation. They are working with pathogens like Ebola, The black death, CWD/bovine encephalopathy, and others. They're culturing them to evolve.
They would have defeated cancer already if big pharma had not blocked many promising cures that did not make profit for them. Some are natural cures and others are a combination of natural and drug. Imuno therapy is promising but in a lot of people there is not the right type of beneficial bacteria in the gut to allow it to be very effective. Tumors put on a coating that makes the immune system think it is a legitimate part of the body, so won't attack it. In people with the right beneficial bacteria this coating can be eliminated, so the immune system can do its work and imuno therapy can be really effective. This natural beneficial bacteria can be put in the gut by consuming certain foods but because this is a natural thing, it is not taught to doctors. Big pharma blocks this. If AI can cure cancer it will likely be blocked also, unless it makes a large profit.
About time I started hearing more about this particular use of AI. There are so many applications to accelerate science for good things using all known facts about chemical properties and physical. Cures for illnesses, how to save more water, farm better... etc.. but that is only if we don't all destroy ourselves first. It's a pity... so close to our own prosperity, yet we would rather try to destroy and rule.
Don't worry we'll only destroy most of us. The rest will form a unity and raise from the ashes. Either this or AI will develop into a state it can live on its own, and it is not limited by time (death) as we are. Nonetheless Humankind will go on in either of these shapes.
Interesting AI development. I work in the IT industry and we are still using manual methods to deploy and configure network equipment. ie "Console cable and SSH". I'm predicting AI will soon learn the technology and replace me and do it better and faster. One person can monitor the AI system and replace a team of network analysts except for the techs who do all the hands and feet work to install hardware and cables. The AI will surely be capable of managing that team and deploying them via cell phone application to install/decommission/replace failed equipment. In addition, AI will be cable of configuring firewalls and monitoring traffic for threats.
I haven't seen an AI troubleshoot anything yet, any examples?
@@oneman5753 Look at medical industry. It can more accurately troubleshoot than doctors for the human body, human-made machines will be a lot easier if you can get the training data.
If you believe all that you are on another planet.
Bot.
@@oneman5753 It will happen. He is predicting and I agree with him on that and thousands of other fields.
So they went to all that effort only for the ai to come up with a solution that we already have? brilliant, what a time to be alive!
Lithium is not the issue. Cobalt or nickel are bigger issues.
New battery Tech doesn't use cobalt.
Nickel will be replaced too
We've known about sodium batteries since forever. Sodium lithium isn't a replacement for lithium, it still requires lithium. This only really postpones rather than solves the problem of our dwindling lithium reserves. (which is why an alternative is needed) Sodium also forms more dendrites than lithium and has fewer recharge cycles and has a lower energy density. But progress is already being made in sodium batteries.
FYI, I had to really turn up the volume to hear you on my TV. :-) Great video, thanks!
Way up! Putting the playback speed at 1.5 also makes this more enjoyable.
Won’t be long before the Star Trek Replicator will be created.
Well my friend you should follow ufo investigations and you would know the US government has technology that you would see in Science fiction thats because the alien looking creatures in their crafts they shoot down can already generate clothing around them from thin air. All am trying to say is that technology is already here. Lockheed martin
*Stargate
@@eztvlight1202
StarGate doesn’t have a replicator, does it?
@@keirfarnum6811 He's talking about the alien race called replicators, which doesn't even make sense in this context. Then again, we're no where close to star trek replicators either. They operate on a principle of matter-energy conversion.
Just because a company can cut costs using new battery tech doesn't mean they will pass on that savings to their customers!!
Awesome video! Another great use of AI is to rewrite scripts to make them more concise.
the difference between AI generation and traditional development. is simple. in traditional we branch out from what we have to things similar. AI starts from everything we put in even those that we know will not work and narrow it down.
In many cases we will find out that traditional actually develops 90-95% of these quickly .. what AI actually gives us is the things we did no think would work. yes AI will help develop things but we will miss some things because AI can only use what was given to it.
Ai is a good tool as long as we use it as such. if the AI came up with materials we did not think would work then it is a bonus.. if it comes up with things that are more dangerous did not help. There is always overlap in development from companies. as long as AI results are not copyrightable IE we determined that 20%lithium 40%sodium whatever else combo should not be copyrightable because many other companies and scientists can develop the same thing independently using similar AI's. AI''s will help as long as it does no become a copyright everything even if we will not use them.
Good post. I like what you said, however, you used “copyright” several times; did you mean trademark?
@@morganmorse2086 Patent would be a better word.
Irrelevant. Whether developed by people or AI, anything potentially useful will be patented by the company developing it. That will not change. The patent office doesn’t care about or even need to know where an invention comes from.
This is what gets me excited about AI potential!
WOW !
Amazing discovery !!
To get the best results, I guess combined with AI is the future research development for everything !
😃💖💻⚡️🔋🌏✌️
And it begins. love it!
Better and cheaper sounds nice, but I rarely find the savings passed onto me at a consumer-level.
Never will my friend. The greed runs real deep
Amazing that Microsoft AI is apparently so strong it can create new universes yet when I type an email in Outlook or a letter in Word it cannot properly see the difference between English and Dutch (my main language) words and constantly tries to correct normal English words like "Wednesday" into Dutch words (and vice versa) even though the rest of the email is also in English. Until they manage to fix the spellchecker for multilinguals I for one will not be impressed with the Microsoft AI capabilities.
This issue is not at the top of their priority hierarchy. They solve problems that really matter.
The AI does have a near 100% ability to put dialogue boxes for spell check precisely where they block what you need to see. That can't be an accident. If they don't block your view, you could make the corrections yourself.
@@Akuma.73so if this turns out to be vaporware u gonna admit low hanging fruit should start disappearing if AI is really that tech like that?
Dude, they're probably not even using it in your spell check calm down
@@blackmartini7684
We were humorously suggesting that they need to work on their spell checker before they start working on an AI that might take over the world. It's a long way to go.
Wasn't it reported that Australian engineers found a way to make better batteries with magnesium a few years ago?
Why didn't Microsoft's artificial intelligence not find that solution?
The AI in The Matrix also found a perfect battery replacement battery 🔋😳
Technically not a battery, they were power plants. Also in no way perfect or even remotely feasible as a power source. My head canon is they told that to humans to mess with them, and they have perfectly functional fusion reactors never shown on screen.
Its like purple gold, yeah its real its also incredibly difficult to make, incredibly difficult to work with being brittle, incredibly difficult to combine into an alloy(with simple aluminum), and incredibly difficult cast in oxygen free environment, and good luck!
Yeah, this is no real discovery. There are interesting studies on increasing the recharge life cycle on just sodium batteries already though. Like lithium they form dendrites, but a study showed a rigid outer structure and a soft, spongy inner structure, a lot like bone, can mitigate this. Still, we've been working on just sodium ion batteries since forever, and sodium lithium isn't really a replacement for lithium.
Best and most informative layman’s description of what’s coming with this technology. Probably one of the most important ones I’ve seen from you so far. Thank you very much. This really helped me.
fascinating and amazing info here regarding AI
Glad you enjoyed it!
What worries me is the lengths companies will hide possible A.I. solutions for profits.
Thanks
There's plenty of lithum in the lost river once you get the Prawn suit drill arm. #subnautica
What took ages before will take minutes with AI. The level of simulation and number of factors it can crunch is unparalleled. Just imagine how fast it will map neurochemistry, genetics, molecular biology, and so on. We will be seeing new inventions like we’ve never seen before.
Love the videos and your positive but realistic analysis of an industry that has a lot going for it but also a ton of pushback.👍
As an electrical engineer, when I see the functional and marketable battery, then I will believe it. Show me. It's easy to make promises.
I wonder how those models were constructed, and then how they were winnowed down. You would have to teach the ai about elements, chemical reactions, battery function and structure, and then the cost of sourcing, production and handling...
Yep. The AI likes learning things . . .
Need to put Titaniumn hydride as sei and fix the anode issues using silicon. Expand the electrolyte combinations. So many uses for AI.
I've done computational chemistry. I can't even imagine doing calculations on 150 materials.
THIS is truly AMAZING!
Had to play your video at 125% speed to make it watchable.
This is a single example of AI being used to accelerate development in a single narrow domain. When it comes to manufacturing and industry, there are millions of independent variables that are judged, assessed, and applied every single day. What happens when we can do a decade's worth of tweaking brand new prototypes?
Certain materials exhibit extraordinary properties in hyper specific situations, including "magic angle" lattices and novel compound ratios amongst other things. What happens when we get a decade worth of those discoveries in the next year?
I think we're going to see more experiments on that track in the next year, and we'll start seeing the impact of that everywhere by late 2027 and late 2029, depending on the specific industry's suitability to adoption of the discoveries. I think by 2030 everything is going to be quietly revolutionized, and I'm absolutely ecstatic to hear about it. I just hope our society can keep pace and that we have plans in place to manage that massive disruption in productivity.
I don’t think we really needed AI to answer this question in the first place. It’s been well established that synthetic hard carbon anodes can intercalate both lithium and sodium ions. The thing is, it’s almost impossible to optimise one material to do both well. There’s always a range of pore sizes in any synthesised material, so it’s pretty obvious that it would be make more efficient use of the pores if we had more than one ion size available. For example, if we take a hard carbon optimised to absorb sodium, there will be a percentage of pores that are too small for the sodium ions to fit. A large percentage of those are however big enough to store lithium ions, giving increased overall capacity. The same is probably true for cathode materials, although that’s a harder problem. Either way, since the sodium (and/or lithium) only accounts for a small proportion of the weight of the battery, increasing the utilisation of the anode and cathode materials could produce a much higher overall energy density. 25% increases are easily possible with this hybrid ion approach, allowing cells to break the 300Wh/kg barrier. There are other issues with this approach though. For example, an SEI composed mainly of sodium compounds might not conduct lithium ions very well. Many hurdles to overcome, but very promising.
Lithium is not rare Earth. Actually a lot of Lithium found in USA.
In very low and uneconomic concentrations.
@@yuglesstube They found in Salton Sea ( California ) and it can be used for 375 million electric cars. It will be extracted from geothermal brines which is a less energy-intensive method. The brine concentration is 400mg/L which is considered good.
@@tigranohanyan3321 And what effect might this have on the lake? Good luck getting that approved.
375 million isn't that much.
lol what?@@lnostdal
I can't wait to see some of the promised revolution in materials science with the help of machine learning materialize. It'll take time to test these things out, but it sounds like some ideas are materializing already...
Cheers mate
Don't bet against The Seba!
It is computer simulation, modelling and analysis, not AI... But, today everything is AI.
It's a marketing word like "cloud"
Let’s hope that’s true,cheaper and better,because all I’m seeing is prices skyrocketing.
I saw an idea put out by an AI of putting people in pods and plugging them in as power sources.
Follow the white rabbit. 🐇
Price is very important, but not everything. Airplanes will never use sodium batteries, but swappable Aluminium Air batteries can make elecric airplanes viable. Airplanes takes too long.to.charge so battery swapping actually makes sense.
The thing about AI making scientific discoveries it reminds me very much of the fictional standard template constructs from the Warhammer 40k game. They were AIs that did all of the scientific research. The only problem with it is that no one actually knew how things worked so it took very little for everything fall apart. That's the danger of using AI to make scientific discoveries. Eventually no one will be able to understand what they have discovered beyond the most general understanding.
where did the AI get the data about the attributes of the different materials for it analysis and give this results. what happens if there were error in the base data given
The amazing thing about AI is that it is smart for about 60% of the time but stupid for the other 40%, and these are the figures for when the correct result is already known. The problem is how do we know when the AI is being smart or stupid when we do not have an established correct result. 60 to 40 is just a little better than the toss of a coin.
Does the battery burn?
Lmk when you get a high-power, fast-recharge battery that doesn't burn.
Just think of it they did made some huge neural network with tons of hardware and human labor to find out that Na is a candidate for new Li?! Like how do they came up with such an innovations if periodic table give us exactly the same result just by looking on it Na is right below Li there and the whole idea of periodic table that elements at the same column have similar properties.
With todays AI it will cut the time from 250 years to 25 years. But if you account for the advancements in AI it should decrease the time to around 7 years
2040: Clippy becomes a fully-autonomous paperclip maximizer.
That's amazing
Lol, they condensed 200 years of material research to arrive at ... sodium ion batteries, that are already in production? I get what they were going for but they sure aren't good at marketing...
They feed everything we know into the machine then it told us you can make batteries with lithium and sodium.Wild conclusion, I think it might have missed uhhh every combination we didn't try already.
All it did, was tell them what everybody else is working on.
This sounds like a marketing pitch for Microsoft’s product.
This script was also written by the same AI and…it owns the rights to the company working on the battery technology.
It would be nice to start an open source battery website, so that battery chemists can share their formulas with others online. Would be nice to see collaboration efforts to put forward the best minds in the battery business to share the important findings of new battery chemistry, which is badly needed right now.
Err.. IP, patents, competition?
Aside from what @pvelectronics4291 said. Scientists already sort of collaborate indirectly. If you follow scientific publications, previous work is always referenced in the paper that is published. Some are published in open journals and others in "prestigious" journals. But everything is accessible and influences further studies and development.
We could already have batteries 10x their current capacity if they were safe enough, imagine a shorted battery 10x capacity exploding in someone's pocket or on a plane. Main reason it's on the back burner in my opinion.
Salt water batteries is not new. IBM has been working on it for years. The idea is 100k gallon tanks that suppliment solar at night to provide energy to the grid.
We hear of battery breakthrough every week....Lithium-Air, Lithium-Alu, Liquid lithium. Like Captain Picard would say....MAKE IT SO or rather MAKE IT HAPPEN!
Looking into Batteries and other Tech that oil companies hold the PATENT to, is a rabbit hole worth checking out...
I doubt a patent would stop china or russia from just looking up the technology at the patent office and steal the ideas
70% less sodium? That sounds like they moved lithium from a purely metal layer to lithium atoms floating in buckyball-like polyhedral structures made of a graphite/graphene-diamond foam.
every year we hear that a new revolutionary type of battery was discovered, but after we never hear about them
I hope so Sam. 👍🏼
I'm sure that it will be not cheap since energetic and scientific costs of AI are enormous and should be added to price of each battery. Lets wait for final product which will be up to ten years.
The Viking says flying cars next month...for everyone. 🤦♂🙄🤣
I'm thinking they are just going to use that chocolate brownie mix shown at the start of the video. Readily available in bulk at Costco.
Chocolate batteries sounds good!
NASA’s solid state battery uses selenium and sulphur to achieve 3 times capacity over lithium, but are working to increase cycle life and lower cost. I’m sure we’ll see a few different high-capacity batteries over the years, for different uses.
I found Aqueos Zinc Battery a fascinating alternative if it can be matured and cost effective.
Is that optimized for grid storage ?
If so , is that a 2/4 hour BESS or more akin to LDES (Long Duration) ?
Novel material is called “Hopium”
One of these days people will fully realize the negative costs of not just using AI, but putting it's "recommendations" into practice. AI will introduce a host of new problems never experienced before. In this case it maybe pollution, or some unseen danger (like a severe chemical reaction). Other AIs forming medicines could lead to dangerous and/or extreme side effects. Human lead research will be safer because people have a natural tendency towards preservation, whereas AI doesn't have the tendency to preserve human kind. Nor, do I think that tendency for human preservation can be programmed into it. We will still use AI out of our stubbornness, but we will experience the high costs of doing so. For me personally, I have a safeguard that's more powerful then AI could ever be.
How do you know it would take centuries to discover that? Couldn't someone have found out about it next week, theoretically?
Don't trust everything stated from A.I. Rigorously study, check, recheck, and analyze whatever is being spat out. THEN, if it does make sense, great! 🙂
tony seba is not an economist, though...i expect by 2030 the USD will have lost 50% of its value :)
so the EV will never cost the same as today's money...
@4:30 he doesn't even realized he got played as a puppet by the AI like Sophie the Robot. Basically he's saying make a small change and we have what works but better...AI isn't that far ahead yet
Early days. Only production at scale will realise cost reductions.
While things may become cheaper to manufacture, that only means that corporations profit margins will continue to grow and cost to the end consumer will likely increase anyway.
I'm a big fan of the Renaissance of putting scientific box around systems to test everything interesting that occurs in critical extreme states free from bad evolutionary models restricting any evidence being followed where it leads.
But it is why "we the people "must, gain as much access asap because consolidated in the hands of few gives 1 dr Frankenstein no competitor of 100 good to null and void any bad the unethical may cause.
How about the new battery from Betavolt Technology?
I use the bing chat AI alot it helps a ton
Charging is the biggest problem, then somewhere down the line are batteries.
I can’t wait. I want it now dam it.
Wow well I did say Tesla should use AI to do it or wondered how long it will take for someone to do it
Incredible
AI and it's variations will drive all future innovation and things will get weird. Years ago a computer scientist who was developing "evolutionary computing" algorithims was contacted by NASA to apply his software to the design of a complex structural beam for the ISS. He put the parameters in the program, which worked by "breeding" variations of the beam to get a final result. The beam that came out resembled a human leg bone. All I could think of was the bio-mechanical spaceship we saw in Alien.
I don't know how to use AI, but can you ask AI if Trump is guilty and how long he should be locked up?
This sort of application discovering new materials and power sources along with highly efficient organically shaped AI engineering of machines means we might very soon realize cheap solar powered robots that can surpass human capabilities.
One good example of AI as well as pharmaceutical industry. Imagine the possibilities. Wonder why Big companies dont want AI out for the public?
Sodium still makes pretty great fires but it’s less energetic. Curious to know how the electron density issue is solved though.
Yup. Sodium still burns and forms dendrites. And the fires are less energetic because sodium has a lower energy density than lithium.
33 million? There are only 32 more abundant elements on the planet.