You said it perfectly, the main problem with the finale is that Chuck Lorre was more concerned about sticking it to Charlie Sheen than giving loyal fans of the show a well-written, satisfying send-off. Their petty feud killed the show.
I enjoyed the finale, but I stopped watching the show around the second Waldon season. I didn't dislike him as a replacement actor, but just grew bored with the show.
Pretty much why i hated this show after Charlie was gone was that it was obvious that Chuck Lore was just using it as a platform to attack him and degrade his character
While saying "fuck you" to the audience. But Sheen got a $120 million settlement, so obviously Lorre was just a butthurt hack. That other abortion "Big Bang Theory" shows just how lame he is.
Agreed. I saw this same thing happen on Seventh Heaven after Jessica Biel chucked the deuces. Granted, Charlie Sheen definitely had a few jabs coming, but nevertheless, no one wants to see behind the scene drama spill to the front of the camera.
When you fire your lead character and declare that "I can do it without you," it tends to help if you don't spend literal YEARS taking potshots at said character, highlighting that you can't in fact do it without them.
I don't wanna be on the "Ashton was terrible on this show" look Ashton is a good actor but his role in the show just couldn't fit Charlie's shoes to continue such a big show, it's not his fault
I think A.K did fine, Alan's character became incredibly annoying and unrealistic and the show missed Jake or a proper replacement. It wasn't really the fault of the acting but the writing.
Walden's character was better than Charlie's character in my opinion, I mean when it looked like he was about to loose Louis and he was crying, I legit almost broke down myself.
I just love how in the title card he's so straightforward in saying "We offered Charlie a cameo at the very end of the finale where we would make fun of his drug addiction and breakdown and then kill him. He didn't find it funny for some reason"...like....gee, I wonder why that is.
"Hey, I know we had problems in the past, but you know sometimes you have to move on, let go, forgive, all that stuff. Anyway, we're gonna insult and make fun of you on Television, wanna join?"
From what I saw it was "talk about his drug days and tell people not to do them, he didn't find it funny. Instead he wanted a reboot called the harpers with Jon Cryer, we thought that was very funny"
why would he accept that you drop a piano on the character ? that was the dumbest idea ever, it would have been way better if he returned and kicked Alan out of his House for good
You've got to be a real idiot to get into a feud with Charlie Sheen and come out looking like the immature one, but Chuck did. It was really pathetic of him to act that way. Somehow I thought he came off as the most unprofessional one in that situation.
Instead, it shows Sheen took the high ground by refusing to associate with this farce any further. Burying the hatchet only works if both parties bury the hatchet. Not one party and a stand-in for the other.
Saltiest finale maybe. Lorre just continued to do what he did when Charlie left. Charlie in show wasnt that bad of a person. He sleped around but generally liked those women and even tried to settle down. And then at his funeral they made him to indespicable monster. And they were consistant with that in finale.
Tomjo5 Okay...now follow us for a second. The actor and character are not the same person. Yes, the character was inspired by the actor but they live in two different universe. It doesn’t matter how he felt about the actor, he destroyed a fictional character that everyone had loved to watch and his own canon. Which doesn’t really hurt the real actor (because he’s not a fictional character) because he made a lot of money of this show.
@Tomjo5 To explain it a different way than the person above me, imagine if JK Rowling and Daniel Radcliff hav a falling out IRL so she writes a new mini series of books where Harry was an abusive husband and father, a shitty friend, and turned evil then died before the books start. We now follow the story of Sam Carter, some new unrelated to the previous plot character as we read a JK approved, Harry canonically sucks story. Its really petty, ruins a character and doesnt really hurt Daniel because hes not Harry, its just Rowling producing hate fiction for revenge. Two and a half men is that scenario come to life
Petty?.. Charlie deserved it. He could have been there, but he chose the party life style and ego over the show. They gave him opportunity after opportunity and the drug head blew it.
@@bfsgman yeah exactly they could of just been actually funny they could of done something with a bunch of past cast etc but instead the entire thing was just a giant middle finger to charlie just for the sake of it..
Charlie's idea was actually pretty great. If they don't want to do 'The Harpers' thing, then at least they could took the heart warming part as the key.
@@rohan750 It was just riddled with them. Jake's scene was the worst, but there were other ones too. Slater: But I AM Christian Slater! Arnold: Yeah sure, and I'm the ex Governor of California! HA!!!! GET IT?!?!...........
To reiterate my thoughts from the last video, Charlie Sheen and Chuck Lorre arguably both lost in their petty feud and Jon Cryer walked away being the only survivor...
The episode makes no sense, because it revolves around Charlie *Harper* seeking revenge, even though he has no reason to. Charlie *Sheen* does. Sheen may be a horrible person, but at least he was always direct when making insults. Chuck Lorre hid behind his characters when throwing insults. When he finally showed himself, instead of saying another insult, he just said "Winning!" As in "I've won this battle!" Keep in mind, Sheen used that word to prove he was fine and didn't need rehab; not to tell someone that he was cooler or stronger. Too bad no one told these two man-children to keep their petty nonsense out of the show's canon. In fact, inserting himself with his name written on that chair? As if *every* viewer knows who he is? As if *every* viewer cares or even knows about the behind-the-scenes drama? That's kind of egotistic, don't you think? Also, despite being such a successful show, did they really not have a bigger budget for those animated sequences? They're hideous!
Like vee said they may have been trying to parody Food Fight. Go look it up it is genuinely horrible. But I do agree that Charlie harper has no reason to want to kill his brother and Walden.
@@switchplayer1016 In the beginning of season 4 Charlie had a few imaginations to attack Alan. Alan annoyed the shit out of Charlie for years and was ungrateful. I can even get behind it that Charlie would kill Alan. Charlie can just take so much before he loses it. Maybe after everything he did for Alan to see his house being sold to Walden just shocked him. He maybe felt betrayed and hurt.
I think a big problem is they teased that Charlie was going to be in the episode, without actually delivering. They should have done this ep as a penultimate story to wrap up the Charlie storyline, and then a real finale
The last four seasons with Walden felt like an entirely different show. What they should have done was at least half-ass wrap up the Charlie show, then spin-off into the Walden show.
I wouldn't call it vindicated that he litterally made it untenable for the show to continue on with him. The finale is petty, but I wouldn't call that a vindication. Just a mess of a situation made worse by a petty finale.
The show was done when Charlie left. There was nothing else to really add in to the show considering how important he was to the show. If the creator of Two and a half men had any respect he would of cancelled the show once Charlie was gone. It 3ould have been for the best if they both had just moved on with their lives.
1) The thing that really pisses me off about the finale, is the same thing that pisses me off about season 9 episode 1. They're telling all these jokes at the expense of Charlie Sheen, but in the show its Charlie Harper they're talking about. I don't belive that Charlie Harper would be addicted to cocaine, have sex with a dude who's clearly a dude, do heroin, knowingly give women stds, etc. Charlie Sheen would do that, but not Charlie Harper. Even tho Harper was misogynistic, I still feel like he was a good dude at heart. They completely spit in the face of not only Sheen, but Charlie Harper even more in my opinion. 2) Please do a video on Anger Management
To be fair, Charlie Harper was already 40 at the start of two and a half men, who knows what went on in the 20 years before the show after he dropped out of college. From my memory, they don't talk about it much, and I believe Charlie didn't really talk to either Alan or Evelyn all that much before the start of the show. He didn't even know who Jake was at the start, and calls him a teenager, when he was only 10. These references that you claim to be towards Charlie Sheen, and could very well be, could also be them guessing what he was like. Charlie did not care about anyone else in the show before the show, and though maybe he grew fond of them later, there is a lot that happened in 20 years that no one knows about. Charlie Harper seems like a guy that never really had friends, and his days would consist of him entertaining himself during the day after the hangover is gone, and going out at night.
@@cynicalbrandon8820 I agree. His character hasn't aged well. He's too arrogant and full of himself to be likable. Plus it's unrealistic that he gets to sleep with hot women who's half his age given that he's not that good looking
I will say Ashton Kutcher seems like a delight to work with. Probably a much more positive working situation for everyone on set having Ashton take over for Charlie.
Gotta do it man... i actually liked this rap up coz i enjoyed seasons 1-8.. 8 was a stretch coz it seemed to me like he knew it was coming so he was like "I don't give a f@#&"
Am I the only one who would’ve loved to see “The Harpers”? I think if Sheen and Cryer ever got over their beef they could make that show even today and go right back to the top. Two and a Half Men was the number 1 show on TV statically until Charlie’s meltdown....
The whole replacing Charlie thing just didn't work. Through no fault of Ashton or the rest of the cast. It was all down to Chuck's ego and wanting to stick it to Charlie. Obviously, the show was contracted for a few more seasons, it was making the network a lot of money and so it was going to continue no matter what. And it could have worked. It was just the way they dealt with it. It's an obvious answer, but the best thing to do would have been to bring in the long lost child of Charlie. Still have the character die (or be kidnapped by Rose), but treat the death seriously, at least don't have the funeral scene where they're just listing all of his worst features. The unknown kid shows up after spending their life trying to find their father, arrives at the door only to be told that he's dead. They do a DNA test to prove the kid isn't lying. Turns out the kid's mother is also dead so they have nowhere to go. Alan takes the kid in as they have nowhere else to go and that's how the series continues. My first choice for the role of Charlie's kid would have been Corey Feldman, but now knowing about their history, that wouldn't have been a good idea. But someone like that would have been perfect. The character would be similar enough to keep the dynamic working but different enough to keep it fresh. Then, at the very end, it turns out Charlie isn't really dead and they have the heartwarming family reunion (no The Harpers spinoff though). For as crass as the show was, people became invested in the characters. The only satisfying way to end it is with a "happily ever after" type scenario. Even if they'd cast Ashton as Charlie's kid, it would have worked a lot better than what they did.
The problem with that idea is that Two and a Half Men was NEVER very much plot-based. I loved all the little stories they've told from season 1 to 7, but the plots were almost exclusively limited to one episode and not seen again in the next episode and next years. Only when Chelsea came into Charlie's life (which was very ocasional, as well, waking up in his bed without being introduced to anyone or already known to everyone) a larger story was developing, and she was the only girlfriend ever appearing for various continous episodes. I guess they wanted to prepare the show for its nearing final with that arc, but then everything changed. Back to the topic, continous deep plot wasn't the show's style, and so a story of a man who was searching for his father for so many years and now has to go trough a complicated process to prove his claim, wait for a DNA test etc. wouldn't fit the show. Sad to say, this would be way too complicated for such a simple show, Walden's flat story in the first few episodes pretty much was the maximum of story-telling they ever did after Charlie's death before returning to the (now extremely boring) randomness.
Alan and Walden getting married and that kid Louis was the worst storylines ever, I stopped watching it till the finale. It wasn't that bad as they poked fun at Sheen and the show.
The worst part was that they spent an entire season on that, only for everything to be dropped in the finale out of spite towards Sheen. It's just a slap in the face to any fans who were dedicated enough to keep watching it.
The Finale comes off as _incredibly petty._ This episode reveals that Charlie has been kidnapped and imprisoned in horrible living conditions for _three years_ and yet he is _still_ treated like the bad-guy in this situation. Remember when Alan had a breakdown after Charlie died? -That character would've actually been shocked at the prospect of Charlie being _alive_ and mortified at what Rose did. I mean, how is it that a professional studio even _greenlit_ this? And the idea that Sheen was _willing_ to come back and that Lorre was even _willing_ to talk to him, really shows that they could have treated this seriously. But I think on some level, Lorre realized that the show was damaged beyond repair that now it was just a maimed, aimless animal, so it was time to put it down. There was no resolution that could've solved this, so let's make the finale into a joke... However...I think that they could've done something _more profound._ Like say this finale was just a cliff-hanger, one that promised to leave all the characters in bad positions, and some big change-up would have to happen. Like for example, let's say that a major revelation happened in Walden's life, and that he can no longer let Alan live with him in the Beach House. So despite the entire finale of the two of them trying to solve this problem, it ends with Walden despondent as he has no choice; Alan has to go. So Alan is left speechless on the deck of the house, wondering what to do next. Suddenly, he is approached by someone from behind who calls to him by name. Alan turns and sees _Charlie_ standing there. And Charlie's only words are, "We need to Talk." Zoom in on Alan's bewildered face and then fade to black. Then fade-in, "To Be Continued in the Two and a Half Men Movie." Interest _alone_ would've immediately shot the series _back_ to the heights it was at 5 years before. Fans would be clambering for more just to get answers; is Charlie a _ghost?_ or is he actually _alive?_ So boom; Lorre's show goes out on a satisfying hit, and Charlie gets a new vehicle for his come-back in the form of a TV Movie which would then serve as the _real_ finale of the show.
Dude I would've loved that back when I watched this show as a kid/pre-teen. Have the movie be about Charlie getting a new place, getting Rose arrested, a few back and forth gags about Walden taking Charlie's place while he was kidnapped, etc. I can even see two different endings being possible, either at the end Alan for one reason or another STILL ends up living with Charlie again, and we go back to the status quo in a new place, potentially leading into more Two and a Half Men. The other possibility is Alan finally gets his own place and actually stays there, ending Two and a Half Men and potentially leading into Charlie Sheen's idea, The Harpers.
Yep. They should have just ended the show right there. Deep down in places they don't talk about at parties, you know damn well Chuck Lorre knew he was screwed and the show was on borrowed time without Charlie Sheen.
I'd like you to look at "anger management" it's interesting how season 2 inexplicably had over 100 episode in likely because of behind the scenes issues
@@shenanigans8353 me too. It's like they had a bunch of scripts written, shot 5, waited until the reviews of test audiences came in, greenlit the series, then decided to go a different route worth the network and condense it to two years, by which time, more than 50 scripts had been written, so they aired the first 5, and shot and edited the rest in rapid succession so they could get the syndication rights.
Charlie Sheen would only do Anger Management if they did 100 episodes so cable companies would be allowed to play reruns of it. Google 100 episode syndication for more clear info about it.
I think the Two and a Half Men final episode wouldn't have been the worst episode of the show if it had not been the last one. But since it was, it left fans with tons of questions because it really didn't tie any loose ends. So, I would say people hate it not because of the episode itself, but because of when it came out. As an episode of Two and a Half Men, I didn't find it that bad. It was at least entertaining. However, if you think about it as the last episode of the series, you realize it wasn't a good finale, it was actually a horrible one.
I remember in november 2014 I saw an interview in which Charlie discussed possible return for the series finale,I was so excited!. It's a disgrace how Chuck didn't at least make an effort to talk to Charlie and settle it for the finale and wrap up the whole series. Such a shame!
The finale proved a lot of Charlie's points. It was a Chuck Lorre power trip circlejerk and a giant middle finger to the fans, especially the ones who stuck with the absolute dross the show had become in its second half, with and without Charlie.
Keeping in mind I've never seen Game of Thrones, I consider HIMYM the worst final episode in existence. That being said I consider Two and a Half Men the dumbest final episode in existence. For other bad finales like HIMYM and Star Trek: Enterprise I could see the writer's rationale. Not here
I’ve never watched one episode of games of thrones or Spartacus lol my roommate was with his friends watching one of the shows I walked in and said what’s this they said the best show ever I went to grab a beer walked back and saw 2 guys fucking I turned around and was like 4 dudes watching gay porn is strange they were like just wait til the end and after the scene I saw I didn’t think it would helped lmao
Tom Evans the best series on HBO was the wire it was better than the supranos because the wire is more real than that shit I liked both but the wire deserved to win over the other that’s a fact but you may not agree which I will be understanding cause some people like supranos more than the wire but the wire had better storylines that had me glued to every season
The how I met your mother finale at least makes sense in a narrative way; every season of that show has at least one robin-ted arc, why would he start telling the story of how he met the mother when he meets Robin? He could've started after they broke up, after he got left at the altar, etc... The barney-robin divorce makes sense but it's a slap in the face for the audience who just sat watching 22 (pretty weak) episodes of their wedding The idea plot wise wasn't bad. It was just HORRIBLY rushed. It could've been a 1h30 finale split between 5 episodes and it would've sat much better with viewers
The ending was to say “we both lost”. The piano fell on both Charlie and the creator of the show. Plus it’s not really about the ending, it’s about the adventure. I actually really liked all the seasons. In fact, I kinda enjoy the replacement seasons equally.
Then you have poor taste. Charlie Sheen got a $120 million settlement; and Chuck Lorre got to show how much of an asshole he is to his audience, by spending years shitting on a character that Sheen clearly didn't want to play anymore to get his "revenge." It's obvious who ended up WINNING?
@@darkartsdabbler2407 your comment was brilliant actually ; Chuck WAS being an asshole , but next to a coked up maniacal demented asshole , it's like comparing stealing a candy bar from a store to robbing the store and taking hostages , while snorting candy bars off hooker's backsides . Chuck was an asshole to fans of the show, but he only became an asshole dealing with Sheen . TLDR. Charlie sheen was the joker from Dark Knight , and Chuck was Two-Face , corrupted forever
they wanted to publicly spit in his face and he just said 'nope.' I can understand it, since they spent so many seasons pissing on his grave, so to speak, I wouldnt show up and let them do that to me in person. Not for any amount of money.
Charlie wanted to do a final episode with a heart warming scene between him and Jon Cryer which I think most fans of Charlie's would have wanted to end the show in a good light. Chuck Lorre seemed to write the episode to stick it to Charlie, like a revenge plot to the actor and Chuck's own personal frustrations. The ending would have been better with a wedding for Allan and Lyndsey, having Charlie Sheer return (after a 4 year amnesia in an overseas hospital). Add a heart warming ending between the brothers so the ending is satisfied. The problem is the audience loves the "character of Charlie Harper" who actually has redeemable qualities, and that should be kept separate from the feud between Lorre and Sheen. Charlie Sheen is not the same person as the lovable Charlie Harper of Season 1-8.
Herb should've taken over the show instead of Walden. They could've convincingly played gay parents without even trying. That should've been the new set up right after Charlie's funeral and then they wouldn't need Charlie back.
The answer is yes: A series finale is supposed to represent change in their life or a next step in their life which means that to us the how ended but to the characters it is the next step. Examples of this can be: Glee: Rachel wins a tony Friends: Chandler and Monica have kids. Jane The Virgin: Rafael and Jane marry. Fresh Prince Of B Air: The Banks Move away. Desperate Housewives: They all move away. HIMYM: Ted and Robyn (disgusting but still had a plot) But in this finale, everything was the same. To make it a Finale, Alan should have moved out or Walden should have settled down. But nothing changes in it at all it seems like another episode. If you didn't watch the Finale, they plot remains unchanged anyways and that Is why it Is the WORST finale in T.V history next to GoT
For example spoilers for Clone Wars and Avatar ahead so be warned. So for starters Clone Wars: order 66 was executed and Ahsoka and Captain Rex barely escaped with their lives, and you can say they “won” but at what cost Rex’s brothers betrayed him and their Jedi general. I love this finale lol Avatar The last Airbender- the whole series was building up to Aang’s showdown with the firelord and if you compare him to his season 1 character he changed drastically. I say this finale and The clone wars finale are some of the best finales of all time
I felt like, the show was without dignity and shameless and all that, but it still had heart. Even though Charlie was always mean to Alan, it was clear that he cared for him; why else would he let him live there Scott free? And in one of the last episodes of Season 7 he finally admits this to Alan. That was the point the show should have ended. Charlie was a dick, but in the later seasons, he tried to become a better person. Season 8 already blew it. Season 9 was to fresh energy. I think the show still had heart, but more and more of Chuck Lorre's frustration with Charlie Sheen began to seep in. The show also seemed to change its premise every other season. This season finale pretty much ignored everything, every bit of heart the show still had left, in favor of rambling on about how awful Charlie Sheen and this show itself is.... and that just wasn't a good way to go out on.
I told my mom about the finale i would do to the series, and it goes like this: It's Charlie's death anniversary and all of the cast is reunited in the beach house, everything was idea of Charlie's Mom, even Rose is there and all of the remembered stuff about Charlie, but we see him as a Child. Then they all begin drinking in his honor till Rose recognizes that she killed Charlie because she was jealous. The Police then arrests Rose and the Last scene is Charlie's mom talking to the sky and telling Charlie that she loved him in her own way and that he can rest in peace.
I don't think Charlie meant to be evil, he just wanted to be free but he also wanted to be loved in a steady way. You just can't have both. Normally. With Rose, Charlie was unconditionally loved. That's why he ended up realizing he loved her. She stood by her man. Even when she was with other men or fake men, it was because she was trying to make Charlie jealous. Charlie wasn't evil, he was selfish and immature. I don't think you go downstairs for such petty personality quirks.
I still watch this show from time to time, it's perfect 20min episodes when sitting down to eat or whatever. In my head the show ended after s08 and charlie was really killed off by Rose. A bit dark but makes sense within the show. I don't consider the following seasons the same TV show and have never and will never watch them. Charlie isn't the whole show, but Charlie + Allan is the whole show. Allan as a character without Charlie is just not enjoyable to watch, he is a fun contrast to his brother and I love him. But without him he is just cringey.
Let’s see what Chuck Lorre did: 1. had a feud with Charlie Sheen, cut his character off the series and led the character die 2. because he wants money, the show continues for four more seasons with Ashton Kutcher as Walden Schmidt who replaces Charlie 3. With Ashton Kutcher as Walden, the viewers don’t like the show so much anymore (not Kutcher's fault, he’s a great actor) 4. Lorre makes the viewers believe that Charlie Sheen will come back as Charlie Harper in the final episode which makes everyone becoming exciting and wanting to watch the series finale 5. Lorre writes a fucking crazy and senseless story for the series finale which only concentrates on Charlie’s possible return while the new main character Walden Schmidt isn’t important but useless. 6. in the end of this bad story, Charlie doesn’t come back which was (at least for me) clear. The hopes of millions of viewers, that their beloved main character, who had missed for four long seasons with a new, not so funny, main character, could return, is destroyed 7. Lorre doesn’t stop with bashing Charlie Sheen with „him“ being hit by a piano and this statement where Lorre says that they made Sheen this offer he rejected So do you see ? Chuck Lorre is a complete crazy asshole who made millions of fans angry just to bash Charlie Sheen again and again and to make much money. Sheen himself is crazy too and made many mistakes. He had problems with drugs, alcohol, weapons and women. But he is a great beloved actor. Chuck Lorre is a great producer but with trying to destroy someone’s whole life and don’t care about anything, he is the bigger asshole. Today, nobody will care about that. Charlie Sheen retire from acting and hopefully has a calm life. Chuck Lorre produced two of the greatest sitcoms of all time, is rich, has a great life and still thinks that he’s the coolest guy on earth. The fans still don’t like the last four seasons and the finale. And I just wanted to share my thoughts
To me it’s Charlie show, because it was literally just Charlie show, and he wasn’t even playing the character, it was just Charlie, and no disrespect to the latest seasons it’s just how I see it.
The show was based on Charlie's life. That said, they had to make so many references to Charlie. After he left it sucked out loud, I hate to even see reruns without him
It's troubling to see how unwilling people are to let an addict move past their past. Far as I understand, Charlie had done rehab, was sober for years (11 years until he relapsed due to an HIV diagnosis), and he was given an opportunity to prove to the world he wasn't the unhinged weirdo saying winning over and over, and that he was actually recovered/recovering, but the director (I forgot the name of) wrapped the entire episode Charlie was teased to be a part of, around stabbing Charlie with the needles he threw away and was trying to leave behind. Seriously, Charlie walks in talking about drugs being bad except for him and making him repeat his lines he'd say when he was impaired and struggling with addiction, only to kill him. I feel like as a society we are all too willing to ignore the behaviour of addicts that are destitute, resulting in them continuing their bad behaviours and never recovering, but condemn and provide no route to redemption for wealthy or successful individuals struggling with addiction, so even if they do get better, they can never be allowed to move past their struggles.
Despite the show dragging itself to the finish line with all of the behind the scenes drama, 12 years is really impressive. Would love to see you do another one of these on anger management!
Charlie wasn't alive and well...he was alive "in well". Lol. This show absolutely lost any and all of it's luster after Charlie's departure. They kept feeding his ego and addictions, effectively creating a monster, and then got mad at the monster
So, this two-part episode could've worked if it wasn't an actual finale, but maybe the penultimate finale, followed by a real ending. I think that makes sense.
they had heartwarming endings, over and over. One in particular is when Alan moves in with Melissa, ends up in bed with her mom, after his birthday party. Charlie spends the episode actually missing Alan being there. Admits to missing him. and then is Happy to see him come back after screwing it up. Charlie: "Told you he would be back." Jake: "Who?" Two and A Half men Launched big bang theory (an amerikan ripoff if the IT Crowd)
TBBT as rip-off of IT Crowd is a bit of a stretch. It sure may have inspired it, but the shows are very different. IT Crowd never makes nerdism (like games, star trek etc) the butt of the joke whereas TBBT does. That said the creator of IT Crowd is a horrible person who destroyed his own career since he felt he needed to turn into an anti trans activist 🤷🏼♀️
Over reliance on meta commentary and 4th wall breaking humour, murder rape and kidnapping being laughed away and Chuck Lorre being extra salty towards Charlie Sheen make this episode virtually unwatchable
This was amazing!! You could also make a video about the way the writers treated Jake in terms of how we went from average to totally stupid in a matter of episodes. Or even make a video theorising what would have happened to the characters post series-finale, or maybe an alternative ending that is different to the series finale itself.
They were so unfair to Ryan Stiles... He was such a perfect casting for an innocent and wholesome character like Herb and deserved way more than he got. Same with Jon Cryer.
A great series finale was The Shield ; the entire show had a long running story , and by the time the final season hit , all the chickens came home to roost , everybody who did anything on the show had comeuppance or consequences , almost every loose thread was ... Unthreaded ? In all seriousness , everyone should watch The Shield
I watched the episode for the first time last january, and it is truly the worst I´ve ever seen of a finale. I only tuned in on the rerun that day as the original pilot came afterwards. But the last scene was so insulting, and I also found that it was a character assasination of Rose. To me, the Kutcher seasons are not canon.
Thank you for telling the end of the series here and breaking it down. I didn't see the ending myself and probably never will. I stopped watching the show after Charlie Sheen left.
Honestly, the whole thing would have been so much better had they not done the revenge angle and simply had it end with Charlie ringing the doorbell. Didn't even have to end with the other characters answering the door, just to go out with the knowledge that Charlie was back home and the family could reunite would have been really heartwarming. It would have provided proper closure. But, no. Chuck Lorre couldn't help but be petty. Just couldn't resist the urge to give Sheen the finger one final time. I mean, a piano? Really??
I watched this when I was a teen on WB so I am a bit rusty on the details of the show, but I really don't remember Charlie Harper being such shit, in fact I remember him being very kind to others, like yeah, he was an alcoholic and slept around, but he was not "evil" or "rotten", not even close as a character, so all of that after Charlie Sheen left was very misplaced and inaccurate for the character that had been built through the years.
Charlie was a womaniser but he never did anything illegal. That's the funny part even today his antics are okish in a legal sense. If anything him putting up with his brother for 8 years shows he was actually quite helpful. I feel like the producers were just trying to pander to moralistic types by having him retroactively portrayed as 'evil'. That's my view. Funny thing is I doubt those producers were any paragons of virtue in real life. They were trying to score points with the 'promiscuity is evil' brigade even if fully consensual and legal. And it failed badly since those types wouldn't watch the show in the first place.
The only thing I could salvatage from the Two and Half Men finale is the implication of what the series ending would had been of Charlie Sheen didn't left. Before Charlie is crush by a piano we see Alan, Walden and Bertha having a kind of layback moment in wich they sort of realize they will be there for each other no matther what the future stores for them. That could have been an beautiful scene if instead of Walden, besides Alan was a Charlie who didn't spend 4 years kidnapped just to come back looking for vengeance. Much of Alan and Charlie neurosis came from a fear of being alone they develop because of a lack of affection from their mother and the lack of an estable father-figure; those feeling had opposite but equally unhealthy effects on both brothers, Alan became clingy, insecure and obsessed with finding a romantic partner to relay on, while Charlie put a wall between him and other people (not only from women, he was on denial about belonging to a support group, pretending they where just his Poker buddies). So it could had been nice to see both brothers realize they are not alone, they are each other life-partner, wich would lead to both of them having healthier relationships with women (Alan wouldn't be so desperate to find a partner and Charlie could calm down in his debauchery). Jake and Bertha would end the same as in the real episode (Jake with a job and a wife, and Bertha being all like "I love L. A., with its beaches and its himbos, I wouldn't retire to any other place") ... but alas, that episode cannot exist and we close the series with a freaking Loony Tunes gag instead
@Harry Engel I think people thought that the decline happened around seasons 8-9 when Larry David stopped writing for the show, but imo it barely counts as a "day it died". I think the only noticeable change were the more outlandish plots and gags around those seasons
Honestly I find this episode Hilarious just because how much malice is holds. It is like a level inbetween passive aggressiveness and a literal death match. XD.
100% agree. The ending would have been better if they went ahead with Berta retiring, Alan moving out, finally, and moving in with Lindsay (again) and Walden doing whatever.
18:50. Actually the second to last episode was trying (I think) to have this kind of finality before giving so much attention to the finale. Alan and Lindsay are still getting married and by the end of the episode Alan promised Walden that after the wedding he will definetely move from the house, but still he will be sure to raise Louis. That's what I understand by that. Also, I assumed the guys asked Walden's girlfriend to take Louis to her house until they resolve the Charlie issue. Anyway, most of the time Chuck Lorre doesn't get a resolution to many of their plots in the mayority of his shows.
@@SovereignStatesman well it was great with Mike and it still good with Charlie. It didn't matter anyway everybody was watching for Stuart and Carter anyway even Heather Locklear couldn't ruin that show.
I agree. It's a funny and entertaining episode, but I was ultimately disappointed that Charlie Sheen didn't return and it's not a good finale. It was also extremely bizarre.
At least that had some semblence of finality. This, on the other hand? This isn't a series finale, it's Chuck Lorre's 45 minute rant against Charlie Sheen.
I legitimately never knew people really liked this show. I always thought it was just like, the background noise of America, because it was always on at your cousins house or whatever but nobody was ever actually watching it.
They should’ve done the Harper’s finale that Charlie wanted, and then dropped all contact, so it looks like they’re friends to the audience, but also screws over Charlie behind the scenes
The brilliance of the show. Was that when Ashton took over, it became a completely different show with the same characters. So it was good as an independent show, but it won't be if you compare it to the previous 8 seasons. If you take it in as a new show, it was quite good.
I'm going to tell you too that the idea for this episode I read online after they had introduced Ashton Kutcher and a lot of people wanted them to bring Charlie Sheen back anyway. Someone had come up with the idea, a fan on the internet, had come up with the idea that Rose had made up the story of Charlie being dead and that he was actually tied up in her basement So a fan had come up with a way for Charlie Sheen to be able to come back from the dead. So they basically entire season finale off of that story, but then stick it to the viewer at the end. The only redeeming Factor whatsoever is that Chuck Lorre sort of acknowledges his own failure in the Charlie Sheen Thing by having the piano also fall on top of him
Lmao i only knew u as the wrestling dude from Grapple Vision! So imagine my surprise when i was watching a random Charlie Sheen Gone Crazy video, when the guy gave u a shout-out and suggested we watch Vee Infuso's videos about 2 and A Half Men!
The finale deeply angered me. I was super excited to see Charlie and I was also excited to see how the tv show will take the ending seriously and make something memorable but the whole ended up being farce
I finished re-watching the entire series last week and holy shit, it's not just the finale episode(s), but the whole final season that was a pile of dog shit. The amount of sheer stupidity in the plot arcs alone was enough to give you a hint that it was doomed to fail. The whole shenanigan made up just for Walden to adopt a kid was beyond ludicrous. I mean, the seasons prior to it (post sheen) were still enjoyable, but I feel like this season's writing was given to a bunch of amateurs, who didn't know what they were doing. It's such a shame the the series finale episode was entirely focused around Charlie's real life antics and constantly taking jabs at it. This wasn't even a series episode, it was Chuck's own personal throwback to Sheen. Like Vee Infuso said, there was no conclusion. A finale is supposed to be representative of all the years you have worked building the show up with it's characters and bringing them to a proper conclusion. But looks like that was way too much to ask for a show that didn't even bother to have a decent script for it's final season.
In my opinion both Lorre and Charlie are equally responsible for the down fall of this show, and their careers are burnt and buried because of it. I doubt anyone is going to want to deal with a diva actor who goes on tv to bad mouth his fellow cast and crew members, all because he has a problem with one of them. And no executive is going to ever want to put Lorre in charge of a production again, after essentially using his power to trash one actor whilst completely destroying a 12 year million dollar operation. Hope it was worth it.
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You said it perfectly, the main problem with the finale is that Chuck Lorre was more concerned about sticking it to Charlie Sheen than giving loyal fans of the show a well-written, satisfying send-off. Their petty feud killed the show.
Yeah instead of being the bigger man he ruinied the Show and the character of Charlie Harper
Couldn’t agree more! 🙃
Exactly. Chuck cared more about his ego than the show, and because of that, everyone lost.
I missed and also bought off RUclips. I appreciate the cameos from past characters, but it felt flat and like revenge.
I enjoyed the finale, but I stopped watching the show around the second Waldon season. I didn't dislike him as a replacement actor, but just grew bored with the show.
Pretty much why i hated this show after Charlie was gone was that it was obvious that Chuck Lore was just using it as a platform to attack him and degrade his character
While saying "fuck you" to the audience. But Sheen got a $120 million settlement, so obviously Lorre was just a butthurt hack.
That other abortion "Big Bang Theory" shows just how lame he is.
Agreed. I saw this same thing happen on Seventh Heaven after Jessica Biel chucked the deuces. Granted, Charlie Sheen definitely had a few jabs coming, but nevertheless, no one wants to see behind the scene drama spill to the front of the camera.
When you fire your lead character and declare that "I can do it without you," it tends to help if you don't spend literal YEARS taking potshots at said character, highlighting that you can't in fact do it without them.
yeah, i loved the show when charlie was still there.
but i kinda liked the part in the eleventh season where alan had an alter ego
While all your comments make sense and could be right as well, you just cant mess with your provider/employer and not expect consequences...
I don't wanna be on the "Ashton was terrible on this show" look Ashton is a good actor but his role in the show just couldn't fit Charlie's shoes to continue such a big show, it's not his fault
I mean you describe why it's his fault.
I think A.K did fine, Alan's character became incredibly annoying and unrealistic and the show missed Jake or a proper replacement. It wasn't really the fault of the acting but the writing.
Walden's character was better than Charlie's character in my opinion, I mean when it looked like he was about to loose Louis and he was crying, I legit almost broke down myself.
He's not a good actor.
Kutcher the Butcher?
Yeah, he's such a good actor that he plays the exact same character 24/7 and never breaks.
I just love how in the title card he's so straightforward in saying "We offered Charlie a cameo at the very end of the finale where we would make fun of his drug addiction and breakdown and then kill him. He didn't find it funny for some reason"...like....gee, I wonder why that is.
"Hey, I know we had problems in the past, but you know sometimes you have to move on, let go, forgive, all that stuff. Anyway, we're gonna insult and make fun of you on Television, wanna join?"
From what I saw it was "talk about his drug days and tell people not to do them, he didn't find it funny. Instead he wanted a reboot called the harpers with Jon Cryer, we thought that was very funny"
@@KrishmanyuThakur "except that advice is only for the common ilk for I am a Martian ninja and impossible to kill"
why would he accept that you drop a piano on the character ? that was the dumbest idea ever, it would have been way better if he returned and kicked Alan out of his House for good
You've got to be a real idiot to get into a feud with Charlie Sheen and come out looking like the immature one, but Chuck did. It was really pathetic of him to act that way. Somehow I thought he came off as the most unprofessional one in that situation.
I feel like Chuck Lorre Dropped the Piano on both Charlie and himself to show they both lost.
You are right.
Instead, it shows Sheen took the high ground by refusing to associate with this farce any further.
Burying the hatchet only works if both parties bury the hatchet. Not one party and a stand-in for the other.
Don't give the director of Big Bang that much creddit.
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Hahaha amen 🙏🏻
That's the same insight I got off that part as well
Saltiest finale maybe. Lorre just continued to do what he did when Charlie left. Charlie in show wasnt that bad of a person. He sleped around but generally liked those women and even tried to settle down. And then at his funeral they made him to indespicable monster. And they were consistant with that in finale.
They destroyed the character to "hurt" the actor... It sucked
Tomjo5 Okay...now follow us for a second. The actor and character are not the same person. Yes, the character was inspired by the actor but they live in two different universe. It doesn’t matter how he felt about the actor, he destroyed a fictional character that everyone had loved to watch and his own canon. Which doesn’t really hurt the real actor (because he’s not a fictional character) because he made a lot of money of this show.
@Tomjo5 To explain it a different way than the person above me, imagine if JK Rowling and Daniel Radcliff hav a falling out IRL so she writes a new mini series of books where Harry was an abusive husband and father, a shitty friend, and turned evil then died before the books start. We now follow the story of Sam Carter, some new unrelated to the previous plot character as we read a JK approved, Harry canonically sucks story.
Its really petty, ruins a character and doesnt really hurt Daniel because hes not Harry, its just Rowling producing hate fiction for revenge. Two and a half men is that scenario come to life
@@jdizzy192 good example
Yes, they should do Of Course, He’s Retired.
It's probably the most pettiest series finale ever.
Petty?.. Charlie deserved it. He could have been there, but he chose the party life style and ego over the show. They gave him opportunity after opportunity and the drug head blew it.
@@bigdaddy0614 That's no excuse for letting behind the scenes drama spill over in front of the camera. They ruined the show doing that.
@@bfsgman yeah exactly they could of just been actually funny they could of done something with a bunch of past cast etc but instead the entire thing was just a giant middle finger to charlie just for the sake of it..
I didn't like the series finale it was not good to me at least but I did like the Arnold parts
It should have ended with a movie
Charlie's idea was actually pretty great. If they don't want to do 'The Harpers' thing, then at least they could took the heart warming part as the key.
“It’s a funny episode, it got a couple smirks out of me.”
Translation:
“I blew a little bit more air out of my nose than I do normally.”
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Smirks aren't even blowing air out of the nose. Like, he barely raised one corner of his lips more than usual 😂
Bingo the Pug This comment was funnier than the episode itself
Out your butt
The finale sucked. The Charlie thing was bad enough, but the finale was filled with too many bad 4th wall jokes.
I liked the 4th wall breaks
@Kevin Byrnes You're also a fucking idiot.
Yeah that really pissed me off coz they never did that before
Wait did chaarlie show up in the final?
@@rohan750 It was just riddled with them. Jake's scene was the worst, but there were other ones too.
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To reiterate my thoughts from the last video, Charlie Sheen and Chuck Lorre arguably both lost in their petty feud and Jon Cryer walked away being the only survivor...
You’re not wrong. He got paid big bucks for the last four seasons and got an Emmy along the way.
... brb going to play Fallout 4 and make the Sole Survivor, Jon Cryer.
Yes, but Chuck had hit shows after this one. He bombed out on this one but he recovered.
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They tried to build the series so much away from Charlie Sheen, but at almost every single moment Chuck Lorre is making references to him.
The episode makes no sense, because it revolves around Charlie *Harper* seeking revenge, even though he has no reason to. Charlie *Sheen* does. Sheen may be a horrible person, but at least he was always direct when making insults. Chuck Lorre hid behind his characters when throwing insults. When he finally showed himself, instead of saying another insult, he just said "Winning!" As in "I've won this battle!" Keep in mind, Sheen used that word to prove he was fine and didn't need rehab; not to tell someone that he was cooler or stronger. Too bad no one told these two man-children to keep their petty nonsense out of the show's canon. In fact, inserting himself with his name written on that chair? As if *every* viewer knows who he is? As if *every* viewer cares or even knows about the behind-the-scenes drama? That's kind of egotistic, don't you think? Also, despite being such a successful show, did they really not have a bigger budget for those animated sequences? They're hideous!
Like vee said they may have been trying to parody Food Fight. Go look it up it is genuinely horrible. But I do agree that Charlie harper has no reason to want to kill his brother and Walden.
@@switchplayer1016 I've seen FOODFIGHT and calling this sequence a parody of that seems like a stretch.
@@switchplayer1016 maybe if he was trying to kill the person who held him captive for 4 years but his brother and Walden not really understandable
@@VicenteTorresAliasVits not really a stretch, it looks just like it
@@switchplayer1016 In the beginning of season 4 Charlie had a few imaginations to attack Alan. Alan annoyed the shit out of Charlie for years and was ungrateful. I can even get behind it that Charlie would kill Alan. Charlie can just take so much before he loses it. Maybe after everything he did for Alan to see his house being sold to Walden just shocked him. He maybe felt betrayed and hurt.
I think a big problem is they teased that Charlie was going to be in the episode, without actually delivering. They should have done this ep as a penultimate story to wrap up the Charlie storyline, and then a real finale
I would have watched "The Harpers"...but that's probably just me
I don't know why he said that idea was terrible, I thought it was rather neat.
Same
The Harpers! The Two and a Half Men spin-off NOBODY knew about! #LOL
You're not the only one. I would love to see The Harpers.
I would pay to see it.
The last four seasons with Walden felt like an entirely different show. What they should have done was at least half-ass wrap up the Charlie show, then spin-off into the Walden show.
They're basically admitting in the finale, continuing the show without Charley was a huge mistake ! Another words, Charley is vindicated!
I wouldn't call it vindicated that he litterally made it untenable for the show to continue on with him. The finale is petty, but I wouldn't call that a vindication. Just a mess of a situation made worse by a petty finale.
@@TheDawnofVanlifeif it was so untenable why fucking try
They over did the 4th wall which makes it unfunny in my opinion! They should've finished the show, when Charlie left!
Tony Stark thank you
The show was done when Charlie left. There was nothing else to really add in to the show considering how important he was to the show.
If the creator of Two and a half men had any respect he would of cancelled the show once Charlie was gone. It 3ould have been for the best if they both had just moved on with their lives.
1) The thing that really pisses me off about the finale, is the same thing that pisses me off about season 9 episode 1. They're telling all these jokes at the expense of Charlie Sheen, but in the show its Charlie Harper they're talking about. I don't belive that Charlie Harper would be addicted to cocaine, have sex with a dude who's clearly a dude, do heroin, knowingly give women stds, etc. Charlie Sheen would do that, but not Charlie Harper. Even tho Harper was misogynistic, I still feel like he was a good dude at heart. They completely spit in the face of not only Sheen, but Charlie Harper even more in my opinion.
2) Please do a video on Anger Management
They also talked about him being into bestiality... and his family thought it was true!
To be fair, Charlie Harper was already 40 at the start of two and a half men, who knows what went on in the 20 years before the show after he dropped out of college. From my memory, they don't talk about it much, and I believe Charlie didn't really talk to either Alan or Evelyn all that much before the start of the show. He didn't even know who Jake was at the start, and calls him a teenager, when he was only 10. These references that you claim to be towards Charlie Sheen, and could very well be, could also be them guessing what he was like. Charlie did not care about anyone else in the show before the show, and though maybe he grew fond of them later, there is a lot that happened in 20 years that no one knows about. Charlie Harper seems like a guy that never really had friends, and his days would consist of him entertaining himself during the day after the hangover is gone, and going out at night.
@ind0ctr1n3 I meant in terms of he sees women his own age or younger as nothing but sex objects. Get off your high horse u brave RUclips warrior
@@cynicalbrandon8820 I agree. His character hasn't aged well. He's too arrogant and full of himself to be likable. Plus it's unrealistic that he gets to sleep with hot women who's half his age given that he's not that good looking
@ind0ctr1n3 Bro I dont think you even know what misogynistic means.
Whenever a show's writers come up with adopting a poor black child, they should be immediately fired and blacklisted.
I wanna know which writer in particular came up with that idea an what the fuck was they smoking
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I dont understand why punky Brewster wasn't in it either..lol
Yeeeaaahhh. Nothing screams "we're desperate and are trying to appeal to a wider audience" than tossing in a small child of color.
It worked for Different Strokes though.
LOL
I guess they can only use it once every 40 years.
I will say Ashton Kutcher seems like a delight to work with. Probably a much more positive working situation for everyone on set having Ashton take over for Charlie.
Gotta do “Anger Management” it’s like so many people didn’t even know that show existed.
It was shite
I kinda liked it but didn’t watch much of it tbf
oh we did lmao
@@hellyeahdude It was alright actually.
Gotta do it man... i actually liked this rap up coz i enjoyed seasons 1-8.. 8 was a stretch coz it seemed to me like he knew it was coming so he was like "I don't give a f@#&"
Am I the only one who would’ve loved to see “The Harpers”? I think if Sheen and Cryer ever got over their beef they could make that show even today and go right back to the top. Two and a Half Men was the number 1 show on TV statically until Charlie’s meltdown....
I agree I've got no problem with ending sheen suggested.
Can you tell me what's the Harper's?
@@pritishdwivedi808 The spin off series that Charlie sheen wanted to make
The spin-off would have been cool.
I think one day Sheen and Cryer will hash things out. Jon Cryer in interviews does say nothing but nice things about Charlie
The whole replacing Charlie thing just didn't work. Through no fault of Ashton or the rest of the cast. It was all down to Chuck's ego and wanting to stick it to Charlie. Obviously, the show was contracted for a few more seasons, it was making the network a lot of money and so it was going to continue no matter what. And it could have worked. It was just the way they dealt with it.
It's an obvious answer, but the best thing to do would have been to bring in the long lost child of Charlie. Still have the character die (or be kidnapped by Rose), but treat the death seriously, at least don't have the funeral scene where they're just listing all of his worst features. The unknown kid shows up after spending their life trying to find their father, arrives at the door only to be told that he's dead. They do a DNA test to prove the kid isn't lying. Turns out the kid's mother is also dead so they have nowhere to go. Alan takes the kid in as they have nowhere else to go and that's how the series continues. My first choice for the role of Charlie's kid would have been Corey Feldman, but now knowing about their history, that wouldn't have been a good idea. But someone like that would have been perfect. The character would be similar enough to keep the dynamic working but different enough to keep it fresh. Then, at the very end, it turns out Charlie isn't really dead and they have the heartwarming family reunion (no The Harpers spinoff though). For as crass as the show was, people became invested in the characters. The only satisfying way to end it is with a "happily ever after" type scenario. Even if they'd cast Ashton as Charlie's kid, it would have worked a lot better than what they did.
The Neon Chimp Channel or just recast Charlie Harper
The problem with that idea is that Two and a Half Men was NEVER very much plot-based. I loved all the little stories they've told from season 1 to 7, but the plots were almost exclusively limited to one episode and not seen again in the next episode and next years. Only when Chelsea came into Charlie's life (which was very ocasional, as well, waking up in his bed without being introduced to anyone or already known to everyone) a larger story was developing, and she was the only girlfriend ever appearing for various continous episodes. I guess they wanted to prepare the show for its nearing final with that arc, but then everything changed. Back to the topic, continous deep plot wasn't the show's style, and so a story of a man who was searching for his father for so many years and now has to go trough a complicated process to prove his claim, wait for a DNA test etc. wouldn't fit the show. Sad to say, this would be way too complicated for such a simple show, Walden's flat story in the first few episodes pretty much was the maximum of story-telling they ever did after Charlie's death before returning to the (now extremely boring) randomness.
if was definitely a fault of ashtons. he was terrible. it was also Lorres fault.
@@SamWinchester000 I love Alan/Candys story and Charlie/Mia’s story
Alan and Walden getting married and that kid Louis was the worst storylines ever, I stopped watching it till the finale. It wasn't that bad as they poked fun at Sheen and the show.
The worst part was that they spent an entire season on that, only for everything to be dropped in the finale out of spite towards Sheen.
It's just a slap in the face to any fans who were dedicated enough to keep watching it.
The Finale comes off as _incredibly petty._ This episode reveals that Charlie has been kidnapped and imprisoned in horrible living conditions for _three years_ and yet he is _still_ treated like the bad-guy in this situation. Remember when Alan had a breakdown after Charlie died? -That character would've actually been shocked at the prospect of Charlie being _alive_ and mortified at what Rose did.
I mean, how is it that a professional studio even _greenlit_ this?
And the idea that Sheen was _willing_ to come back and that Lorre was even _willing_ to talk to him, really shows that they could have treated this seriously.
But I think on some level, Lorre realized that the show was damaged beyond repair that now it was just a maimed, aimless animal, so it was time to put it down. There was no resolution that could've solved this, so let's make the finale into a joke...
However...I think that they could've done something _more profound._ Like say this finale was just a cliff-hanger, one that promised to leave all the characters in bad positions, and some big change-up would have to happen. Like for example, let's say that a major revelation happened in Walden's life, and that he can no longer let Alan live with him in the Beach House. So despite the entire finale of the two of them trying to solve this problem, it ends with Walden despondent as he has no choice; Alan has to go. So Alan is left speechless on the deck of the house, wondering what to do next.
Suddenly, he is approached by someone from behind who calls to him by name. Alan turns and sees _Charlie_ standing there. And Charlie's only words are, "We need to Talk."
Zoom in on Alan's bewildered face and then fade to black.
Then fade-in, "To Be Continued in the Two and a Half Men Movie."
Interest _alone_ would've immediately shot the series _back_ to the heights it was at 5 years before. Fans would be clambering for more just to get answers; is Charlie a _ghost?_ or is he actually _alive?_
So boom; Lorre's show goes out on a satisfying hit, and Charlie gets a new vehicle for his come-back in the form of a TV Movie which would then serve as the _real_ finale of the show.
Dude I would've loved that back when I watched this show as a kid/pre-teen. Have the movie be about Charlie getting a new place, getting Rose arrested, a few back and forth gags about Walden taking Charlie's place while he was kidnapped, etc.
I can even see two different endings being possible, either at the end Alan for one reason or another STILL ends up living with Charlie again, and we go back to the status quo in a new place, potentially leading into more Two and a Half Men. The other possibility is Alan finally gets his own place and actually stays there, ending Two and a Half Men and potentially leading into Charlie Sheen's idea, The Harpers.
The real finale was Charlie's death in season 8
After that it was a trash
Yep. They should have just ended the show right there. Deep down in places they don't talk about at parties, you know damn well Chuck Lorre knew he was screwed and the show was on borrowed time without Charlie Sheen.
@@joe6096aka Lorres greed.
I'd like you to look at "anger management" it's interesting how season 2 inexplicably had over 100 episode in likely because of behind the scenes issues
I really wonder how you convince a television network to give you a 90 episode season, I gotta know
@@shenanigans8353 me too. It's like they had a bunch of scripts written, shot 5, waited until the reviews of test audiences came in, greenlit the series, then decided to go a different route worth the network and condense it to two years, by which time, more than 50 scripts had been written, so they aired the first 5, and shot and edited the rest in rapid succession so they could get the syndication rights.
@@shenanigans8353because Charlie was hot shit, it was also loosely tied to an Adam Sandler film of the same name,
Hit while the iron is hot
Charlie Sheen would only do Anger Management if they did 100 episodes so cable companies would be allowed to play reruns of it. Google 100 episode syndication for more clear info about it.
I just think it's amazing they made it to 100 episodes, and that they ended on more of a high than Two and a Half Men.
I think the Two and a Half Men final episode wouldn't have been the worst episode of the show if it had not been the last one. But since it was, it left fans with tons of questions because it really didn't tie any loose ends. So, I would say people hate it not because of the episode itself, but because of when it came out. As an episode of Two and a Half Men, I didn't find it that bad. It was at least entertaining. However, if you think about it as the last episode of the series, you realize it wasn't a good finale, it was actually a horrible one.
I typically see it as an optional epilogue/spoof of an episode since you can ignore it and finish the show off an episode early.
I remember in november 2014 I saw an interview in which Charlie discussed possible return for the series finale,I was so excited!. It's a disgrace how Chuck didn't at least make an effort to talk to Charlie and settle it for the finale and wrap up the whole series. Such a shame!
Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing when you're dealing with Charlie Sheen and somehow *your* ego is the one getting in the way of business.
I guess you could say, Charlie was “alive IN well.”
How’d you miss that shot?
The finale proved a lot of Charlie's points. It was a Chuck Lorre power trip circlejerk and a giant middle finger to the fans, especially the ones who stuck with the absolute dross the show had become in its second half, with and without Charlie.
Keeping in mind I've never seen Game of Thrones, I consider HIMYM the worst final episode in existence. That being said I consider Two and a Half Men the dumbest final episode in existence. For other bad finales like HIMYM and Star Trek: Enterprise I could see the writer's rationale. Not here
I’ve never watched one episode of games of thrones or Spartacus lol my roommate was with his friends watching one of the shows I walked in and said what’s this they said the best show ever I went to grab a beer walked back and saw 2 guys fucking I turned around and was like 4 dudes watching gay porn is strange they were like just wait til the end and after the scene I saw I didn’t think it would helped lmao
@@prisonmike729 Yeah well the whole series was gay.
@@SovereignStatesman I thought gay stopped being an insult 10 years ago
Tom Evans the best series on HBO was the wire it was better than the supranos because the wire is more real than that shit I liked both but the wire deserved to win over the other that’s a fact but you may not agree which I will be understanding cause some people like supranos more than the wire but the wire had better storylines that had me glued to every season
The how I met your mother finale at least makes sense in a narrative way; every season of that show has at least one robin-ted arc, why would he start telling the story of how he met the mother when he meets Robin? He could've started after they broke up, after he got left at the altar, etc...
The barney-robin divorce makes sense but it's a slap in the face for the audience who just sat watching 22 (pretty weak) episodes of their wedding
The idea plot wise wasn't bad. It was just HORRIBLY rushed. It could've been a 1h30 finale split between 5 episodes and it would've sat much better with viewers
Tbh, Charlie Sheen's idea for the finale didn't sound that bad, I mean, it was way better than what we got.
The ending was to say “we both lost”. The piano fell on both Charlie and the creator of the show. Plus it’s not really about the ending, it’s about the adventure. I actually really liked all the seasons. In fact, I kinda enjoy the replacement seasons equally.
Hmmm never thought about that ; "we both lost" is pretty accurate
@Cognitive Chaos you got a pretty cool name home slice
Then you have poor taste.
Charlie Sheen got a $120 million settlement; and Chuck Lorre got to show how much of an asshole he is to his audience, by spending years shitting on a character that Sheen clearly didn't want to play anymore to get his "revenge."
It's obvious who ended up WINNING?
Tom Evans Yeah, Chuck is the asshole here, not the awful coked up maniac
@@darkartsdabbler2407 your comment was brilliant actually ; Chuck WAS being an asshole , but next to a coked up maniacal demented asshole , it's like comparing stealing a candy bar from a store to robbing the store and taking hostages , while snorting candy bars off hooker's backsides . Chuck was an asshole to fans of the show, but he only became an asshole dealing with Sheen .
TLDR. Charlie sheen was the joker from Dark Knight , and Chuck was Two-Face , corrupted forever
they wanted to publicly spit in his face and he just said 'nope.' I can understand it, since they spent so many seasons pissing on his grave, so to speak, I wouldnt show up and let them do that to me in person. Not for any amount of money.
Charlie wanted to do a final episode with a heart warming scene between him and Jon Cryer which I think most fans of Charlie's would have wanted to end the show in a good light. Chuck Lorre seemed to write the episode to stick it to Charlie, like a revenge plot to the actor and Chuck's own personal frustrations. The ending would have been better with a wedding for Allan and Lyndsey, having Charlie Sheer return (after a 4 year amnesia in an overseas hospital). Add a heart warming ending between the brothers so the ending is satisfied. The problem is the audience loves the "character of Charlie Harper" who actually has redeemable qualities, and that should be kept separate from the feud between Lorre and Sheen. Charlie Sheen is not the same person as the lovable Charlie Harper of Season 1-8.
Angus later admitted that that his mentor was overly zealot.
Herb should've taken over the show instead of Walden. They could've convincingly played gay parents without even trying. That should've been the new set up right after Charlie's funeral and then they wouldn't need Charlie back.
The answer is yes:
A series finale is supposed to represent change in their life or a next step in their life which means that to us the how ended but to the characters it is the next step.
Examples of this can be:
Glee: Rachel wins a tony
Friends: Chandler and Monica have kids.
Jane The Virgin: Rafael and Jane marry.
Fresh Prince Of B Air: The Banks Move away.
Desperate Housewives: They all move away.
HIMYM: Ted and Robyn (disgusting but still had a plot)
But in this finale, everything was the same. To make it a Finale, Alan should have moved out or Walden should have settled down.
But nothing changes in it at all it seems like another episode.
If you didn't watch the Finale, they plot remains unchanged anyways and that Is why it Is the WORST finale in T.V history next to GoT
For example spoilers for Clone Wars and Avatar ahead so be warned. So for starters Clone Wars: order 66 was executed and Ahsoka and Captain Rex barely escaped with their lives, and you can say they “won” but at what cost Rex’s brothers betrayed him and their Jedi general. I love this finale lol Avatar The last Airbender- the whole series was building up to Aang’s showdown with the firelord and if you compare him to his season 1 character he changed drastically. I say this finale and The clone wars finale are some of the best finales of all time
I can safely ignore your opinion based on the shows you named, thanks jackass
I felt like, the show was without dignity and shameless and all that, but it still had heart. Even though Charlie was always mean to Alan, it was clear that he cared for him; why else would he let him live there Scott free? And in one of the last episodes of Season 7 he finally admits this to Alan. That was the point the show should have ended. Charlie was a dick, but in the later seasons, he tried to become a better person. Season 8 already blew it. Season 9 was to fresh energy. I think the show still had heart, but more and more of Chuck Lorre's frustration with Charlie Sheen began to seep in. The show also seemed to change its premise every other season. This season finale pretty much ignored everything, every bit of heart the show still had left, in favor of rambling on about how awful Charlie Sheen and this show itself is.... and that just wasn't a good way to go out on.
It's so good to see everyone is backing Charlie
I told my mom about the finale i would do to the series, and it goes like this: It's Charlie's death anniversary and all of the cast is reunited in the beach house, everything was idea of Charlie's Mom, even Rose is there and all of the remembered stuff about Charlie, but we see him as a Child. Then they all begin drinking in his honor till Rose recognizes that she killed Charlie because she was jealous.
The Police then arrests Rose and the Last scene is Charlie's mom talking to the sky and telling Charlie that she loved him in her own way and that he can rest in peace.
Why would she look up? There’s no way Charlie Harper went in that direction....
@@justmydeals The finale of the series was awfull, it wouldn´t be worst.
the finale was shit but this was actually good, but I think Everlyn would be looking down
I don't think Charlie meant to be evil, he just wanted to be free but he also wanted to be loved in a steady way. You just can't have both. Normally.
With Rose, Charlie was unconditionally loved. That's why he ended up realizing he loved her. She stood by her man. Even when she was with other men or fake men, it was because she was trying to make Charlie jealous.
Charlie wasn't evil, he was selfish and immature. I don't think you go downstairs for such petty personality quirks.
@@lorimiller4301 Rose just stood by Charlie to push him to his death.
I still watch this show from time to time, it's perfect 20min episodes when sitting down to eat or whatever. In my head the show ended after s08 and charlie was really killed off by Rose. A bit dark but makes sense within the show. I don't consider the following seasons the same TV show and have never and will never watch them. Charlie isn't the whole show, but Charlie + Allan is the whole show. Allan as a character without Charlie is just not enjoyable to watch, he is a fun contrast to his brother and I love him. But without him he is just cringey.
Let’s see what Chuck Lorre did:
1. had a feud with Charlie Sheen, cut his character off the series and led the character die
2. because he wants money, the show continues for four more seasons with Ashton Kutcher as Walden Schmidt who replaces Charlie
3. With Ashton Kutcher as Walden, the viewers don’t like the show so much anymore (not Kutcher's fault, he’s a great actor)
4. Lorre makes the viewers believe that Charlie Sheen will come back as Charlie Harper in the final episode which makes everyone becoming exciting and wanting to watch the series finale
5. Lorre writes a fucking crazy and senseless story for the series finale which only concentrates on Charlie’s possible return while the new main character Walden Schmidt isn’t important but useless.
6. in the end of this bad story, Charlie doesn’t come back which was (at least for me) clear. The hopes of millions of viewers, that their beloved main character, who had missed for four long seasons with a new, not so funny, main character, could return, is destroyed
7. Lorre doesn’t stop with bashing Charlie Sheen with „him“ being hit by a piano and this statement where Lorre says that they made Sheen this offer he rejected
So do you see ? Chuck Lorre is a complete crazy asshole who made millions of fans angry just to bash Charlie Sheen again and again and to make much money. Sheen himself is crazy too and made many mistakes. He had problems with drugs, alcohol, weapons and women. But he is a great beloved actor. Chuck Lorre is a great producer but with trying to destroy someone’s whole life and don’t care about anything, he is the bigger asshole.
Today, nobody will care about that. Charlie Sheen retire from acting and hopefully has a calm life. Chuck Lorre produced two of the greatest sitcoms of all time, is rich, has a great life and still thinks that he’s the coolest guy on earth. The fans still don’t like the last four seasons and the finale. And I just wanted to share my thoughts
To me it’s Charlie show, because it was literally just Charlie show, and he wasn’t even playing the character, it was just Charlie, and no disrespect to the latest seasons it’s just how I see it.
That's what it was. Without sheen it makes no sense.
Exactly..charlie wasn't plsying a character..he was himself.
The show was based on Charlie's life. That said, they had to make so many references to Charlie. After he left it sucked out loud, I hate to even see reruns without him
It's troubling to see how unwilling people are to let an addict move past their past. Far as I understand, Charlie had done rehab, was sober for years (11 years until he relapsed due to an HIV diagnosis), and he was given an opportunity to prove to the world he wasn't the unhinged weirdo saying winning over and over, and that he was actually recovered/recovering, but the director (I forgot the name of) wrapped the entire episode Charlie was teased to be a part of, around stabbing Charlie with the needles he threw away and was trying to leave behind.
Seriously, Charlie walks in talking about drugs being bad except for him and making him repeat his lines he'd say when he was impaired and struggling with addiction, only to kill him.
I feel like as a society we are all too willing to ignore the behaviour of addicts that are destitute, resulting in them continuing their bad behaviours and never recovering, but condemn and provide no route to redemption for wealthy or successful individuals struggling with addiction, so even if they do get better, they can never be allowed to move past their struggles.
Despite the show dragging itself to the finish line with all of the behind the scenes drama, 12 years is really impressive. Would love to see you do another one of these on anger management!
Charlie wasn't alive and well...he was alive "in well". Lol. This show absolutely lost any and all of it's luster after Charlie's departure. They kept feeding his ego and addictions, effectively creating a monster, and then got mad at the monster
At the end that house became a full-time brothel. Disappointing.
So, this two-part episode could've worked if it wasn't an actual finale, but maybe the penultimate finale, followed by a real ending. I think that makes sense.
Yeah. They should have just had Charlie return in this Final episode. It actually would have probably improved the episode.
As long as we have "Rosanne", "How I Met Your Mother" and "Game Of Thrones". NO.
they had heartwarming endings, over and over. One in particular is when Alan moves in with Melissa, ends up in bed with her mom, after his birthday party.
Charlie spends the episode actually missing Alan being there. Admits to missing him. and then is Happy to see him come back after screwing it up.
Charlie: "Told you he would be back."
Jake: "Who?"
Two and A Half men Launched big bang theory (an amerikan ripoff if the IT Crowd)
TBBT as rip-off of IT Crowd is a bit of a stretch. It sure may have inspired it, but the shows are very different. IT Crowd never makes nerdism (like games, star trek etc) the butt of the joke whereas TBBT does. That said the creator of IT Crowd is a horrible person who destroyed his own career since he felt he needed to turn into an anti trans activist 🤷🏼♀️
Man after season 8 this show should've called "Parasites" instead, coz everybody's moving in Charlies house😂😂
Over reliance on meta commentary and 4th wall breaking humour, murder rape and kidnapping being laughed away and Chuck Lorre being extra salty towards Charlie Sheen make this episode virtually unwatchable
8:12-14:38 was too many examples. Thats a solid 6 minutes are referencing, next time at the most two minutes
Eat me
Yeah after 4 years I’d say it just goes to show Charlie still owns that show. lol
This was amazing!! You could also make a video about the way the writers treated Jake in terms of how we went from average to totally stupid in a matter of episodes. Or even make a video theorising what would have happened to the characters post series-finale, or maybe an alternative ending that is different to the series finale itself.
🎯 all great ideas. Too bad he didn't read your comment. 😢
Personally, I think the second to last episode was the real finale. The last episode was a parody of the show
The show final episode should have ended with every character standing in a line giving the person in front a bottom massage
Could you do the Big Bang Theory or was that never good to begin with
it died during season 5 when they stopped making Amy a quirky smart woman and made her into a generic female scientist who just wants to get f'd.
That show is the WORST SITCOM I HAVE EVER HAD THE DISPLEASURE TO WATCH.
I've never watched more than an episode or two of that show. :/
@@VI_V2 ok kool
@@VI_V2 that is a good life choice
I remember being so excited when they said Charlie was going to come back but felt so insulted and pissed when it aired.
"High horse"... As if you don't know what Hollywood does to child actors
They were so unfair to Ryan Stiles... He was such a perfect casting for an innocent and wholesome character like Herb and deserved way more than he got. Same with Jon Cryer.
A great series finale was The Shield ; the entire show had a long running story , and by the time the final season hit , all the chickens came home to roost , everybody who did anything on the show had comeuppance or consequences , almost every loose thread was ... Unthreaded ?
In all seriousness , everyone should watch The Shield
I watched the episode for the first time last january, and it is truly the worst I´ve ever seen of a finale.
I only tuned in on the rerun that day as the original pilot came afterwards.
But the last scene was so insulting, and I also found that it was a character assasination of Rose.
To me, the Kutcher seasons are not canon.
Wasn’t Rose kinda obsessed with Walden too? She kept Charlie in a basement but started to stalk another men? Yeah sure lol
They were all over each other like a box of hamsters.
Thank you for telling the end of the series here and breaking it down. I didn't see the ending myself and probably never will. I stopped watching the show after Charlie Sheen left.
Honestly, the whole thing would have been so much better had they not done the revenge angle and simply had it end with Charlie ringing the doorbell. Didn't even have to end with the other characters answering the door, just to go out with the knowledge that Charlie was back home and the family could reunite would have been really heartwarming. It would have provided proper closure.
But, no. Chuck Lorre couldn't help but be petty. Just couldn't resist the urge to give Sheen the finger one final time. I mean, a piano? Really??
I watched this when I was a teen on WB so I am a bit rusty on the details of the show, but I really don't remember Charlie Harper being such shit, in fact I remember him being very kind to others, like yeah, he was an alcoholic and slept around, but he was not "evil" or "rotten", not even close as a character, so all of that after Charlie Sheen left was very misplaced and inaccurate for the character that had been built through the years.
Charlie was a womaniser but he never did anything illegal. That's the funny part even today his antics are okish in a legal sense. If anything him putting up with his brother for 8 years shows he was actually quite helpful. I feel like the producers were just trying to pander to moralistic types by having him retroactively portrayed as 'evil'. That's my view. Funny thing is I doubt those producers were any paragons of virtue in real life. They were trying to score points with the 'promiscuity is evil' brigade even if fully consensual and legal. And it failed badly since those types wouldn't watch the show in the first place.
The only thing I could salvatage from the Two and Half Men finale is the implication of what the series ending would had been of Charlie Sheen didn't left.
Before Charlie is crush by a piano we see Alan, Walden and Bertha having a kind of layback moment in wich they sort of realize they will be there for each other no matther what the future stores for them. That could have been an beautiful scene if instead of Walden, besides Alan was a Charlie who didn't spend 4 years kidnapped just to come back looking for vengeance. Much of Alan and Charlie neurosis came from a fear of being alone they develop because of a lack of affection from their mother and the lack of an estable father-figure; those feeling had opposite but equally unhealthy effects on both brothers, Alan became clingy, insecure and obsessed with finding a romantic partner to relay on, while Charlie put a wall between him and other people (not only from women, he was on denial about belonging to a support group, pretending they where just his Poker buddies). So it could had been nice to see both brothers realize they are not alone, they are each other life-partner, wich would lead to both of them having healthier relationships with women (Alan wouldn't be so desperate to find a partner and Charlie could calm down in his debauchery). Jake and Bertha would end the same as in the real episode (Jake with a job and a wife, and Bertha being all like "I love L. A., with its beaches and its himbos, I wouldn't retire to any other place")
... but alas, that episode cannot exist and we close the series with a freaking Loony Tunes gag instead
The day Seinfeld died. Or I'll like to see why The Simpsons are still on 👍
@Harry Engel I think people thought that the decline happened around seasons 8-9 when Larry David stopped writing for the show, but imo it barely counts as a "day it died". I think the only noticeable change were the more outlandish plots and gags around those seasons
Honestly I find this episode Hilarious just because how much malice is holds. It is like a level inbetween passive aggressiveness and a literal death match. XD.
Best series finale ever: Everyone Loves Raymond.
Why would you go with that one?
Newhart.
No, Friends has the best series finale.
@@stevewyrick3400That one was way too predictable.
@@stevewyrick3400 Only because there's no BAD way to end "Friends."
100% agree. The ending would have been better if they went ahead with Berta retiring, Alan moving out, finally, and moving in with Lindsay (again) and Walden doing whatever.
18:50. Actually the second to last episode was trying (I think) to have this kind of finality before giving so much attention to the finale. Alan and Lindsay are still getting married and by the end of the episode Alan promised Walden that after the wedding he will definetely move from the house, but still he will be sure to raise Louis. That's what I understand by that. Also, I assumed the guys asked Walden's girlfriend to take Louis to her house until they resolve the Charlie issue. Anyway, most of the time Chuck Lorre doesn't get a resolution to many of their plots in the mayority of his shows.
Anger management, please. Plus, that other show Charlie was in!
Spin City?
@@chickenlil180 Aaaaaand over the head!
@@devinpaul9026 well Spin City is a great show it's a hell of a lot better this show or that other show Charlie did.
@@chickenlil180 Spin City was only good after Charlie replaced that annoying mosquito.
@@SovereignStatesman well it was great with Mike and it still good with Charlie. It didn't matter anyway everybody was watching for Stuart and Carter anyway even Heather Locklear couldn't ruin that show.
Still not worse than HIMYM. That ending was so bad I'm pretty sure nothing can top it.
Darth Revan true
Game of thrones
Very true. I just posted the same thing too haha. That ending pissed me off so much
I agree. It's a funny and entertaining episode, but I was ultimately disappointed that Charlie Sheen didn't return and it's not a good finale. It was also extremely bizarre.
Couldn't be worse than that How I Met Your Mother finale
Seinfeld was horrible
At least that had some semblence of finality.
This, on the other hand?
This isn't a series finale, it's Chuck Lorre's 45 minute rant against Charlie Sheen.
I got so sick of that show Not being about how he met the mother, I gave up watching.
Nope, this was far worse.
David Brian 83 at least they get what they deserve
I legitimately never knew people really liked this show. I always thought it was just like, the background noise of America, because it was always on at your cousins house or whatever but nobody was ever actually watching it.
They should’ve done the Harper’s finale that Charlie wanted, and then dropped all contact, so it looks like they’re friends to the audience, but also screws over Charlie behind the scenes
People say that Finale of Two and half men was worst. You should see Seinfeld's finale. Both of them great sitcoms with equally disgusting finale.
The show kinda died after Charlie Sheen was fired. Even when Angus T Jones made those comments. Ashton didn't get any awards for his role.
It be like watching Seinfeld with out Seinfeld
The brilliance of the show. Was that when Ashton took over, it became a completely different show with the same characters. So it was good as an independent show, but it won't be if you compare it to the previous 8 seasons. If you take it in as a new show, it was quite good.
I'm going to tell you too that the idea for this episode I read online after they had introduced Ashton Kutcher and a lot of people wanted them to bring Charlie Sheen back anyway. Someone had come up with the idea, a fan on the internet, had come up with the idea that Rose had made up the story of Charlie being dead and that he was actually tied up in her basement
So a fan had come up with a way for Charlie Sheen to be able to come back from the dead. So they basically entire season finale off of that story, but then stick it to the viewer at the end. The only redeeming Factor whatsoever is that Chuck Lorre sort of acknowledges his own failure in the Charlie Sheen Thing by having the piano also fall on top of him
Let’s just say that the series ended at season 8 and that was it
Charlie heads off with Rose, gets married and lives happily every after. That's my head cannon. It ended after season 8
You know a show's bad, when they think it's funny to joke about how bad the jokes are.
"We thought it was funny. He didn't."
Seen your ratings?
At that point, i think they just don't care.
Lmao i only knew u as the wrestling dude from Grapple Vision! So imagine my surprise when i was watching a random Charlie Sheen Gone Crazy video, when the guy gave u a shout-out and suggested we watch Vee Infuso's videos about 2 and A Half Men!
Love all the pettiness from this episode…. The references to real world for each actor was great!
this actually showed that nobody "won". However; Charlie was winning by how the show still revolved around him in his absence
What if all the threats Alan and Waldon got were actually from Rose🤔
interesting... very interesting!
@@Maplelust ,n
19:36 whats this clip from 2.5 men was the only thing i've seen with Charlie Sheen and Jon Cryer and i know this clip is not an episode
The finale deeply angered me. I was super excited to see Charlie and I was also excited to see how the tv show will take the ending seriously and make something memorable but the whole ended up being farce
I finished re-watching the entire series last week and holy shit, it's not just the finale episode(s), but the whole final season that was a pile of dog shit. The amount of sheer stupidity in the plot arcs alone was enough to give you a hint that it was doomed to fail. The whole shenanigan made up just for Walden to adopt a kid was beyond ludicrous. I mean, the seasons prior to it (post sheen) were still enjoyable, but I feel like this season's writing was given to a bunch of amateurs, who didn't know what they were doing.
It's such a shame the the series finale episode was entirely focused around Charlie's real life antics and constantly taking jabs at it. This wasn't even a series episode, it was Chuck's own personal throwback to Sheen. Like Vee Infuso said, there was no conclusion. A finale is supposed to be representative of all the years you have worked building the show up with it's characters and bringing them to a proper conclusion. But looks like that was way too much to ask for a show that didn't even bother to have a decent script for it's final season.
Honestly i wouldn’t want to return to a show where i act like a crazy person and die either.
In my opinion both Lorre and Charlie are equally responsible for the down fall of this show, and their careers are burnt and buried because of it. I doubt anyone is going to want to deal with a diva actor who goes on tv to bad mouth his fellow cast and crew members, all because he has a problem with one of them. And no executive is going to ever want to put Lorre in charge of a production again, after essentially using his power to trash one actor whilst completely destroying a 12 year million dollar operation. Hope it was worth it.