i think Lantom is the type of person every priest or preacher should strive to be, honestly. imagine a religion full of people who not only are this thoughtful, but are willing to treat others with the respect it takes to have an honest conversation with. Lantom isn't even trying to get Matthew to believe something here; he's trying to impart wisdom.
This show would not work or be do e by Marvel Dosney today...it was a different creative team working on it. We won't have getbthis level of deep character insight in the new series. 😢
@@workaholickbut what if we the fans can do something about that??? Make some noise! Rattle some Cages! Keep the tone of this show original and faithful without drying out the characters, plot lines and the show itself. Vinnie D was the #1 ADVOCATE to bring back Daredevil. It’s understandable that in this industry it’s 100% about business. Look I’m no economist But there’s no business unless u reeeeally capture the interest of the consumer. THAT is EXACTLY what Netflix did with Drew Goddard for Daredevil!!!! This makes me wonder why Born Again is getting entirely rewritten 👀 Granted; theres always problems: creative differences, actors scheduling conflicts, etc… It’s just… I don’t see the logic of how it’s just “business 🤷♂️” when you lose money in making unfaithful plots in shows and movies. Plus Actors aren’t getting any younger.
I'm pleasantly surprised how respectful this show was to Matt's religion. I'm so used to Christianity and Christian characters treated as jokes or hypocrites mainstream shows and movies. This was a breath of fresh air to see a character take his faith seriously and weigh his actions against from that perspective.
@@jaredf.6532 He has a point. Disney's version probably is going to remove Matt's religion from the show and not reference it all. The show won't have deep moments like this. Disney's Daredevil will probably be full of MCU humor, not be taken seriously and toned down with its PG-13 rating.
Probably the best portrayal of a catholic clergy we’ll ever see in mainstream media. Netflix did a great job with Daredevil. I’m scared to see how he’ll be dumbed down in the Disney version.
@@jaredj9170 Disney had no part in writing them and were still taking a hands off approach with Marvel at that point. All 3 seasons were in almost every way a product of Netflix with a Disney label. Disney is now the one writing and directing everything and Marvel is hardly its own entity anymore
@@Foxy-ny3fy You are mistaken. Daredevil was produced under the direction and control of Marvel Entertainment and ABC Studios, which are both owned and operated by Disney. Now, those two entities are not the same as Marvel Studios who is now in charge of the future development of the character, but Netflix did not make the series. The series was made by Disney.
The way I want m church is almost exactly the way this scene depicts it. The real life delivery is i feel diluted from the main objective; that being the passive observation of truly UN- Justified actions and collaboration among folk to achieve understanding and preservation of that perception which is concrete and self evident. God to me is very scientific.
And my-my does it work like a fucking charm… He even has me, a person who I’d consider to be pretty firm in their faith, questioning everything from time to time
Im not someone religious, but this kind of scenes are great. It doesnt feel like it's trying to convince you to be catholic or christian or anything, it's just using religion to explore a part of the spectrum that composes humanity, and it feels genuine, deep and interesting regardless of your beliefs. Gosh this show is amazing and this is only of the reasons why
Flawless delivery on both parts. Conversation felt absolutely real from the timing to the exchanges. Music cued in at the perfect time. Man this show was so well crafted. This show really detailed man's struggle for purpose, redemption, and justice.
Matt: so you don’t believe he exists. Father: am I done talking? I love that delivery! The quickness he said that, the deadpan serious expression in how he said it. Even blind, Matt knees he fucked up. He’s like “shit sorry father”
Because the devil is walking among us to tear us down to his level. Have you been tempted to do the wrong things in life??? That is the devil working! Come to God and He will save you. God is working harder!!!
The ending in this clip is damn good! "What if you could've stopped him?" Matt asks, as if stopping that commander from murdering Gahiji and his family would've changed much... The question shows he didn't understand a damn thing of what Lantom was talking about... He saw that Satan was real, but that he wasn't one single entity, but a "spirit" that comes over otherwise regular humans, like the commander, imbuing them with a capacity for evil that doesn't exist in even the most savage, ruthless, hardened soldiers.
I think there's an unspoken part of the question: "What if you could have stopped him?" "Stopped him how?" (By becoming like him) Matt's actions weigh heavily on him, and the theme of him becoming " The Devil" are all throughout the series.
@@chitwn9891 oh fukc off with this BS. The only reason you can believe that killing a killer makes you as bad as the killer if you think every life has teh same value, if you genuinely think a newborn baby's live is worth the same as hitler's.
I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion. If stopping the commander wouldn't have mattered then stopping criminals wouldn't matter and Matt wouldn't be a vigilante. I think you're misssing an important point, "Maybe that's what the Devil is, a symbol to be feared." The point wasn't 'the devil can influence anyone so don't bother stopping anyone' the point (that Matt took anyway) was to become the 'Devil', the symbol to be feared, to all these ruthless criminals. The same way the Father says the Devil drives people to church, Matt hopes to drive people away from crime, lest the (dare)Devil come for them. I don't think Father Lantom would be against stopping the commander, he's only wary of who Matt might become in doing such things.
"Stop him how ?" By becoming just like him. A murderer, a killer. For any other hero that would be a shallow question...but for Matt it comes right into his very core.
As an atheist, I love how this show portrayed both faith and those who hold it. They weren't demonized, they weren't held up as absolute paragons. They were shown to be good people, trying their best to be the best that they could. I find that this form of writing is so hard to find in fiction not just these days, but for decades past as well. In DD, faith is core to his character, it informs so many of his actions, and that the show went to great lengths to portray that in character is fantastic. It's also one of the reasons I love Captain America's little quip in Avengers just before he jumps out the helicarrier. Each moment shows significant parts of their character without insulting them for it.
If Born Again does follow the Netflix DD continuity then I hope we get a new Priest for Matt to talk with since in that continuity Fr. Lantom is dead. Maybe even a younger one.
@@colin4758 I doubt they will continue the story from the end of the show. It's probably going to be the retelling of season 3 since it was "born again" arch. Plus we still don't know what characters will be in his show
This was matt searching for a excuse to NOT kill fisk though he wants to do it with his entire soul. Thats the conflict of humans.trying to stay good when bad things is what we desire
The challenge is that the right thing to do is the harder path to walk. I’m interested in religion while remaining an atheist (catholic atheist) but I suspect if I’m wrong then humans are composed of both the divine and the evil, the Jekyll and Hyde, Batman and the joker. Matt and Fisk. Order and chaos. Earth is the board, Human beings are the game pieces where god and satan play out their eternal contest. There’s not good humans and evil humans……every human is good and evil Or maybe it’s better to say humans are good vs evil.
He studies Catholic religion to better understand the battle between good and evil. There are tons of parables and metaphors in the bible that could be used to better understand good and evil. The Bible makes clear distinction between them. He separates knowledge from Faith in the Catholic entity God.
Wilson Fisk will always be the joker to Matt Murdock's Batman. He can't kill him, no matter how many lives that monster corrupts or kills. A lawyer dresses like a devil yet does will do just, while a man who assumes the appearance of a philanthropist and businessman commits heinous acts in the acquisition of power which never ends. He is the embodiment of the kind of evil that Matt has for him to fight against both in the court and in the street. There are given the points where all daredevil has managed to do was to fight king pin to a standstill, and Wilson willingly walking off the board, as he had just done this past year. These two have similar beginnings and yet diverge with regards to the kind of men their fathers were. Jack Murdoch was a boxer with little education and yet loved his son and did what he could to provide for him. With Fisk, his father was an ambitious politician and also a bully who instilled his son every sadistic instinct. He actually taught his son how to be a bully. And that tutelage came back to haunt him when Fisk murdered his father to save his mother from more abuse. But then of course the corruption continues, as he and his mother covered it up. And I highly doubt that his mother did anything to the suede or deprogram her husband's influence on her son because the results speak for themselves. Wilson Fisk is the devil more so than Matt ever will be. There is no redemption for someone like him, before he would have to have genuine remorse and he has none. He justifies every heinous act he takes. The villain is always the hero of their own story. And the series did a fantastic job in portraying that version of the kingpin.
@@varric I mean...Mephisto is basically the devil in the Marvel universe....or a variation of him since Wolverine literally fights the actual devil in one of his comics.
Believe it or not, but I once met a man - I believe he was a journalist - who was in the exact same place at the exact same time as Father Lantom. He told us his experience of Rwanda genocide, and as he was going deeper and deeper into how truely horrific it was, not only physically but humanly speaking (people from the same village, community, neighbourhood, church, even family denouncing each others to the militia who then slaughtered them all with machetes and guns), he burst into tears. I was so moved that I couldn't help but taking him in my arms. If the Devil didn't inspire all these people who had lived and shared so much together to betray each others and give up on their very souls, I don't know who did.
Not a who- a what. Fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of death... it drives people to convince themselves of terrible things. When we dehumanize our enemies we become monsters. No devils required. Just broken, bitter humans.
And there lies the real reason we believe in devils. We invent malevolent inhuman beasts that influence us. Blame our own actions as his influence to shirk responsibility. Blame the most monstrous, unimaginable violations of others on him so we don't have to see ourselves in the faces of the perpetrators. We paint portraits of devils to avoid looking at ourselves in the mirror, and seeing what we really are.
@@Plasticninja_ Actually you are wrong. While people are and can be malevolent, there are those beings out there that are true manifestations of evil in the world. Yes, you cannot blame every act on such spirits, as we are human and are capable of doing horrific things without prompting. However, do not underestimate the spiritual evil that pollutes the lands of the earth.
Matt: What if you could have stopped him......from ever hurting anyone again? Father Lantom: Stopped him how? I love this exchange and the fact that Matt has no answer. It's stuff like this that made Netflix's Daredevil so great.
I dont understand why matthes character refuses to answer this question. Matt doesnt want to kill, so he will not mention shooting teh general. But he himself is bordering on supernatural. Why could he not come up with a gazillion supernatural phenomenons that could have saved Gahiji
@@enotsnavdier6867 talking about Marvel Studios’ content mainly but yeah Andor is the first show that hasn’t moved at 100mph. Which is why it’s the best so far haha
Disney's blind, money hungry agenda will never allow them to reach this level of depth. It will be a tragedy felt by many. I'm hoping to be wrong, but if I'm right this would at least make a great metaphor for the death of art at the hands of greed.
Netflix's Daredevil is one of the best comic book adaptations of any character. It's very grounded, thoughtful in the question of can a lawyer truly be viglante and still call himself a hero? And all the characters are great.
It is incredible It has Catholic undertones but feels natural It is there but it is not preachy, Daredevil doesn't fully live by Catholisicm but his morals are strongly rooted in it and it is only a theme The Villians are amazing, brilliant character depth and really good backstory Only the end of season 2 was amazing Every other part was brilliant Literally this show is gold
I don’t mean to force Jesus or religion on you, but give Him a shot. He’s real, and really does love and care for you. Do with this message as you want. Thanks for reading.
Dostoevsky's influence is clearly visible throughout the show, adding to its allure. It skillfully weaves in his thematic elements, such as the portrayal of human suffering, in-depth theological discussions, existential angst, and the exploration of evil. Matt's character, in particular, seems to draw inspiration from Alyosha in "The Brothers Karamazov," mirroring his complexity and depth.
Okay, maybe I'm high, but this scene is not only incredible, but it actually has a lot to say about Matt's character and the struggle he's dealing with. See, when I first saw this scene, I assumed it was about the devil proper, and evil as it related to Fisk and what Matt is fighting against. Like, Matt is trying to understand evil and how to combat it properly. He struggles with violence and his love of it. Like the Father says later in the show, he's looking for a reason NOT to kill Fisk. But it's also about the devil inside Matt specifically. That part of him that wants to hurt bad people, make them pay, even kill them for what they've done. That part of him is no different than the militia commander in the Father's story. Part of Matt would do the same thing to someone who's hurt and killed so many people. Part of Matt would commit evil to satisfy his urge for justice...and likely damn himself in the process. Matt is RELATING to the commander in the story, and realizing he can't do what the commander did, not even to people like Fisk.
"The one place in which Gods and Demons inarguably exist is in the human mind, where they are real in all their grandeur and monstrosity." - Alan Moore
One of my favorite aspects of this show. The whole arc of Matt Murdock in the comics and especially this show is him struggling to be a good Catholic and not to kill Fisk, which would be they easier route.
"There were people who called themselves Satanists who made Crowley squirm. It wasn't just the things they did, it was the way they blamed it all on Hell. They'd come up with some stomach-churning idea that no demon could have thought of in a thousand years, some dark and mindless unpleasantness that only a fully-functioning human brain could conceive, then shout "The Devil Made Me Do It" and get the sympathy of the court when the whole point was that the Devil hardly ever made anyone do anything. He didn't have to. That was what some humans found hard to understand. Hell wasn't a major reservoir of evil, any more than Heaven, in Crowley's opinion, was a fountain of goodness; they were just sides in the great cosmic chess game. Where you found the real McCoy, the real grace and the real heart-stopping evil, was right inside the human mind." Good Omens
To be honest, I like Daredevil's reason for the No-Kill Rule much, much better than Batman's. I say this as an atheist because one of the characters refuses to kill out of hope of redemption and judgement, while the other refuses out of a refusal to turn into those he swears to stop, but still refuses to acknowledge that some men deserve death (Joker, for example) if only to stop the havoc the spread.
That's really only part of the reason Batman doesn't kill. The Bigger and more important reason is he knows if he kills even one of his Villains, he'll never stop. Earth 51 is a perfect example. On that Earth, when Joker killed Jason, Batman killed him in response. However, it didn't stop with The Joker. He killed all of his Villains and then moved onto other Heroes Villains. And this happens throughout DC's Multiverse. Whenever Batman kills, he does not stop.
@@FinalGreymon Batman is just as crazy as other villains of the universe. Killing the villains would be pretty much the solution to the problem. But he doesn't want to actually solve it, as it would eliminate the purpose of his life. So he is perfectly comfortable to allow his enemies to break free again and again, causing chaos and suffering of innocents. And what makes it even better is that he is also oftentimes the main motivation for those villains: they wreak havoc specifically to attract him.
@@voidseeker4394 Tell me you don't read comics without actually telling me. Killing them wouldn't solve anything anyway. Do you have any idea how many times Joker has come back to life?
Love that this show used Matts religion to relate to the story and other characters. It’s something I believe Disney will stay far away from, probably one little joke about him being Catholic.
@@kennethlau8990 Yeah, that's just for diversity points. Woke people kinda hate Christianity cus it is often associated with western values, so they probably won't bring up his religion unless it is to criticize every part of it
@@arcanewarrior863 Is there proof that "woke" people hate Christianity? The definition of Woke: Anyone who is aware of injustice to society. MLK was woke, and he was a Christian pastor. Plus, Disney wouldn't dare attack a religion.
Daredevil: Do you believe in the devil? Me: Yes, and you do a good job acting as him than just disguising as him when it comes to sparing your enemies.
I’m so lucky to have a priest just like this! This is why I love my faith because we understand the importance of having elders who can gives us spiritual advice and just love advice in general
Anyone else feels like this scene might have been inspired by Roméo Dallaire's book "Shake Hands With the Devil" which talks about his experience in Rwanda during the genocide.
I’m so afraid of daredevil born again,because how can you top these three majestic seasons and with the news that new show will be lighter i’m not sure that that’s something I’m looking forward to watch
“Be sober [well balanced and self-disciplined], be alert and cautious at all times. That enemy of yours, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion [fiercely hungry], seeking someone to devour.” 1 Peter 5:8 AMP
I think it’s implied that he just did it for fun or as some kind of sick display of power. Hence why he’s referred to as having the devil inside of him.
@@varric And the greatest joke ever told is your comment. Really think about what you just said. "God convincing people he exists" really take that in and understand how stupid that sounds. Theres a time and place for this and the place for this is called Reddit.
The source of the Devil’s power is drawn by us. But we have and will always have the choice to cut off his supply by bettering ourselves and living above the darkness.
What affects me the most is the idea of one being capable of directing society in a way that is both progressive for the whole as well as being a boon for those involved
He’s not an excuse. He is a great example of how people thinking they can play god and don’t need anything of humility or grace can go so wrong. Satan is similar to most modern people today.
The priest is correct. Satan is just the Hebrew word for adversary. Christianity decided to use the word as a name for Lucifer. The Bible is a translation!
"Stopped him how?" .. wise answer. Not every option should be available to a moral or ethical individual. There have to be limits to prevent us from becoming the next devil.
I dont understand why matthes character refuses to answer this question. Matt doesnt want to kill, so he will not mention shooting teh general. But he himself is bordering on supernatural. Why could he not come up with a gazillion supernatural phenomenons that could have saved Gahiji The limits that prevent us from "becoming the next devil" exsist on the form of to whom we do these things. Killing Adolf Hitler doesnt make anyone "the next devil"
It’s such a relief to see a priest character depicted in a TV Show nowadays as rational, wise, and calm.
i think Lantom is the type of person every priest or preacher should strive to be, honestly. imagine a religion full of people who not only are this thoughtful, but are willing to treat others with the respect it takes to have an honest conversation with. Lantom isn't even trying to get Matthew to believe something here; he's trying to impart wisdom.
This show would not work or be do e by Marvel Dosney today...it was a different creative team working on it. We won't have getbthis level of deep character insight in the new series. 😢
@@workaholickbut what if we the fans can do something about that??? Make some noise! Rattle some Cages! Keep the tone of this show original and faithful without drying out the characters, plot lines and the show itself.
Vinnie D was the #1 ADVOCATE to bring back Daredevil.
It’s understandable that in this industry it’s 100% about business. Look I’m no economist But there’s no business unless u reeeeally capture the interest of the consumer. THAT is EXACTLY what Netflix did with Drew Goddard for Daredevil!!!! This makes me wonder why Born Again is getting entirely rewritten 👀
Granted; theres always problems: creative differences, actors scheduling conflicts, etc…
It’s just…
I don’t see the logic of how it’s just “business 🤷♂️” when you lose money in making unfaithful plots in shows and movies.
Plus Actors aren’t getting any younger.
I'm pleasantly surprised how respectful this show was to Matt's religion. I'm so used to Christianity and Christian characters treated as jokes or hypocrites mainstream shows and movies. This was a breath of fresh air to see a character take his faith seriously and weigh his actions against from that perspective.
Same tbh. Its usually like corruption or over zealous things ive usually scene on the Christianity chart
@@whitedom2041 "cool it with the antisemitic remarks"
@@whitedom2041 fuck off with your antisemitism
@@jaredf.6532 He has a point. Disney's version probably is going to remove Matt's religion from the show and not reference it all. The show won't have deep moments like this. Disney's Daredevil will probably be full of MCU humor, not be taken seriously and toned down with its PG-13 rating.
@@GarrettDenton and im proud of it
Every fucking Dialogue in DD is a masterpiece.
Pay attention Disney Plus
@@youngmultiverser9311 Andor had pretty good dialogue. DD is still peak tho.
cus he said among us
@@seiaka two words. She. Hulk.
@@youngmultiverser9311 oh yeah. i skipped out on that. now that you remind me, im pretty scared that Daredevil: Born Again might be ass.
Probably the best portrayal of a catholic clergy we’ll ever see in mainstream media. Netflix did a great job with Daredevil. I’m scared to see how he’ll be dumbed down in the Disney version.
All seasons of Daredevil were produced by Disney. Marvel and ABC Studios produced the show, Netflix just distributed it to audiences.
@@jaredj9170 Disney had no part in writing them and were still taking a hands off approach with Marvel at that point. All 3 seasons were in almost every way a product of Netflix with a Disney label.
Disney is now the one writing and directing everything and Marvel is hardly its own entity anymore
@@Foxy-ny3fy You are mistaken. Daredevil was produced under the direction and control of Marvel Entertainment and ABC Studios, which are both owned and operated by Disney. Now, those two entities are not the same as Marvel Studios who is now in charge of the future development of the character, but Netflix did not make the series. The series was made by Disney.
As a catholic, I think this is one of the best mainstream representations of the catholic church ever
I agree.
The way I want m church is almost exactly the way this scene depicts it. The real life delivery is i feel diluted from the main objective; that being the passive observation of truly UN- Justified actions and collaboration among folk to achieve understanding and preservation of that perception which is concrete and self evident. God to me is very scientific.
“I believe he walks among us, taking many forms”
I do as well.
I agree
Like the bad guy in unbreakable the devil is real
What if he I tell you he lives in your blood?
AMOGUS
The greatest trick of the devil is convincing us he doesn't exist.
And my-my does it work like a fucking charm…
He even has me, a person who I’d consider to be pretty firm in their faith, questioning everything from time to time
"Even Lucifer was once an angel"
-Father Lantom
In Christianity*
@@conserztasfia0078 yeah
@@conserztasfia0078 except he wasnt
@@conserztasfia0078 Which the name is just a name of a King. Not some stereotypical character.
And Jesus Christ was a Jew.
Shows the two sides are really just one changing through time.
One of the best scenes I have ever watched in my life in a series or a film
I was just thinking that as well.
I still come back to it, amazing scene
facts
Like the bad guys in Rambo last blood devil is real
Hermano???
Im not someone religious, but this kind of scenes are great. It doesnt feel like it's trying to convince you to be catholic or christian or anything, it's just using religion to explore a part of the spectrum that composes humanity, and it feels genuine, deep and interesting regardless of your beliefs.
Gosh this show is amazing and this is only of the reasons why
Flawless delivery on both parts. Conversation felt absolutely real from the timing to the exchanges. Music cued in at the perfect time. Man this show was so well crafted.
This show really detailed man's struggle for purpose, redemption, and justice.
Very well said.
Matt: so you don’t believe he exists.
Father: am I done talking?
I love that delivery! The quickness he said that, the deadpan serious expression in how he said it. Even blind, Matt knees he fucked up. He’s like “shit sorry father”
I love how right after he says “am I done talking?” The camera moves across the 180 to change the tone. Great camera technique
Great catch! Also another example of how amazing & thoughtful this version of the show was, compared to how bland the Disney+ version will be.
@@CM-jc7gk I'm hopeful that Born again will be good.... but yeah considering Disney's track record, it isn't looking good....
I am not religious at all but Peter McRobbie was easily my favorite side character. That man was so incredibly real.
That one line, “Yes I believe the Devil walks among us.” honestly gave me the hibbie jibbies
huh
Among us
Because the devil is walking among us to tear us down to his level. Have you been tempted to do the wrong things in life??? That is the devil working! Come to God and He will save you. God is working harder!!!
mpongus
Haven't you ever considered if the Devil exists so does The Opposite force too.
The ending in this clip is damn good!
"What if you could've stopped him?" Matt asks, as if stopping that commander from murdering Gahiji and his family would've changed much... The question shows he didn't understand a damn thing of what Lantom was talking about... He saw that Satan was real, but that he wasn't one single entity, but a "spirit" that comes over otherwise regular humans, like the commander, imbuing them with a capacity for evil that doesn't exist in even the most savage, ruthless, hardened soldiers.
He is both. He is both Lucifer the Devil and the man that influences people or takes form of pure evil. Not either or. Both.
I think there's an unspoken part of the question: "What if you could have stopped him?" "Stopped him how?" (By becoming like him)
Matt's actions weigh heavily on him, and the theme of him becoming " The Devil" are all throughout the series.
@@chitwn9891 oh fukc off with this BS. The only reason you can believe that killing a killer makes you as bad as the killer if you think every life has teh same value, if you genuinely think a newborn baby's live is worth the same as hitler's.
I'm not sure I agree with your conclusion. If stopping the commander wouldn't have mattered then stopping criminals wouldn't matter and Matt wouldn't be a vigilante.
I think you're misssing an important point, "Maybe that's what the Devil is, a symbol to be feared."
The point wasn't 'the devil can influence anyone so don't bother stopping anyone' the point (that Matt took anyway) was to become the 'Devil', the symbol to be feared, to all these ruthless criminals. The same way the Father says the Devil drives people to church, Matt hopes to drive people away from crime, lest the (dare)Devil come for them.
I don't think Father Lantom would be against stopping the commander, he's only wary of who Matt might become in doing such things.
I understand. Matt was talking about the commander, but the Father was talking about the Devil himself when he replied "stopped him how?"
"Stop him how ?"
By becoming just like him. A murderer, a killer. For any other hero that would be a shallow question...but for Matt it comes right into his very core.
As an atheist, I love how this show portrayed both faith and those who hold it. They weren't demonized, they weren't held up as absolute paragons. They were shown to be good people, trying their best to be the best that they could. I find that this form of writing is so hard to find in fiction not just these days, but for decades past as well.
In DD, faith is core to his character, it informs so many of his actions, and that the show went to great lengths to portray that in character is fantastic. It's also one of the reasons I love Captain America's little quip in Avengers just before he jumps out the helicarrier. Each moment shows significant parts of their character without insulting them for it.
The writing and acting in this show is so good.
I really hope that the MCU's Daredevil: Born Again is of a similar caliber.
If Born Again does follow the Netflix DD continuity then I hope we get a new Priest for Matt to talk with since in that continuity Fr. Lantom is dead. Maybe even a younger one.
Unfortunately if the daredevil in she hulk is any indication the character is already ruined.
@@cavemanjoe79 I think he was great because he constantly made reality checks to She Hulk, and his humor kinda worked
@@jorgelcc5008 Yeah, and he used his acrobatics and agility more. I do hope they keep some of the dark tones from the Netflix series though.
@@colin4758 I doubt they will continue the story from the end of the show. It's probably going to be the retelling of season 3 since it was "born again" arch. Plus we still don't know what characters will be in his show
This was matt searching for a excuse to NOT kill fisk though he wants to do it with his entire soul.
Thats the conflict of humans.trying to stay good when bad things is what we desire
The challenge is that the right thing to do is the harder path to walk.
I’m interested in religion while remaining an atheist (catholic atheist) but I suspect if I’m wrong then humans are composed of both the divine and the evil, the Jekyll and Hyde, Batman and the joker. Matt and Fisk. Order and chaos.
Earth is the board, Human beings are the game pieces where god and satan play out their eternal contest.
There’s not good humans and evil humans……every human is good and evil
Or maybe it’s better to say humans are good vs evil.
@@jimmy2k4o catholic atheist ? What is that
@@jimmy2k4o catholic atheist? Thats a new term
He studies Catholic religion to better understand the battle between good and evil. There are tons of parables and metaphors in the bible that could be used to better understand good and evil. The Bible makes clear distinction between them. He separates knowledge from Faith in the Catholic entity God.
Brilliant comment
Wilson Fisk will always be the joker to Matt Murdock's Batman. He can't kill him, no matter how many lives that monster corrupts or kills. A lawyer dresses like a devil yet does will do just, while a man who assumes the appearance of a philanthropist and businessman commits heinous acts in the acquisition of power which never ends. He is the embodiment of the kind of evil that Matt has for him to fight against both in the court and in the street. There are given the points where all daredevil has managed to do was to fight king pin to a standstill, and Wilson willingly walking off the board, as he had just done this past year. These two have similar beginnings and yet diverge with regards to the kind of men their fathers were. Jack Murdoch was a boxer with little education and yet loved his son and did what he could to provide for him. With Fisk, his father was an ambitious politician and also a bully who instilled his son every sadistic instinct. He actually taught his son how to be a bully. And that tutelage came back to haunt him when Fisk murdered his father to save his mother from more abuse. But then of course the corruption continues, as he and his mother covered it up. And I highly doubt that his mother did anything to the suede or deprogram her husband's influence on her son because the results speak for themselves. Wilson Fisk is the devil more so than Matt ever will be. There is no redemption for someone like him, before he would have to have genuine remorse and he has none. He justifies every heinous act he takes. The villain is always the hero of their own story. And the series did a fantastic job in portraying that version of the kingpin.
matt cant kill anybody
@@whitedom2041 .....ok, what does that have to do with Artisan1979's comment?
Bullseye is his Joker. Fisk is his Bane
If Fisk is the Devil, then Matt is, of course, DareDevil
Damn man... Really well said.
Time to download this masterpiece and watch it all over again. Arguably the greatest tv series of all time.
"I believe he walks among us. Taking many forms."
"He also turns people into walking flaming skulls."
So if Matt becomes the Ghost rider, can he do the penance stare
"He also turns people into walking flaming skulls."
Not the same devil.
@@varric I mean...Mephisto is basically the devil in the Marvel universe....or a variation of him since Wolverine literally fights the actual devil in one of his comics.
@@NotRJ001 The real devil in the Marvel Universe is The One Below All.
@@adarshsaseendran2199 Wow! Definitely, something to think about...
Believe it or not, but I once met a man - I believe he was a journalist - who was in the exact same place at the exact same time as Father Lantom. He told us his experience of Rwanda genocide, and as he was going deeper and deeper into how truely horrific it was, not only physically but humanly speaking (people from the same village, community, neighbourhood, church, even family denouncing each others to the militia who then slaughtered them all with machetes and guns), he burst into tears. I was so moved that I couldn't help but taking him in my arms.
If the Devil didn't inspire all these people who had lived and shared so much together to betray each others and give up on their very souls, I don't know who did.
Not a who- a what. Fear. Fear of the unknown, fear of death... it drives people to convince themselves of terrible things. When we dehumanize our enemies we become monsters. No devils required. Just broken, bitter humans.
Dont underestimate the influence of evil spirits in human behaviour. They play they part too.
And there lies the real reason we believe in devils. We invent malevolent inhuman beasts that influence us. Blame our own actions as his influence to shirk responsibility. Blame the most monstrous, unimaginable violations of others on him so we don't have to see ourselves in the faces of the perpetrators. We paint portraits of devils to avoid looking at ourselves in the mirror, and seeing what we really are.
@@Plasticninja_ Actually you are wrong. While people are and can be malevolent, there are those beings out there that are true manifestations of evil in the world. Yes, you cannot blame every act on such spirits, as we are human and are capable of doing horrific things without prompting. However, do not underestimate the spiritual evil that pollutes the lands of the earth.
I think we like to blame someone. Even if he exist or not, we search for someone to blame. Someone to be held responsible so we can hate.
The dialogue in this show is fantastic
Lantom is nonstop bars
What a great writing
Matt: What if you could have stopped him......from ever hurting anyone again?
Father Lantom: Stopped him how?
I love this exchange and the fact that Matt has no answer. It's stuff like this that made Netflix's Daredevil so great.
I dont understand why matthes character refuses to answer this question. Matt doesnt want to kill, so he will not mention shooting teh general. But he himself is bordering on supernatural. Why could he not come up with a gazillion supernatural phenomenons that could have saved Gahiji
@@texteel He's not supernatural. Just a blind man with some tricks.
@@EmptyMan000 good thing I used the word "borders"
The most frustrating thing about this show is that I can never convince anyone to take the time to watch it. The acting in this show is just amazing.
You're talking as if watching this show is going to change people's lives.
@@anuragchakraborty8766 changed mine
D+ shows would never take a moment to breathe like this
Have you seen Andor?
@@enotsnavdier6867 talking about Marvel Studios’ content mainly but yeah Andor is the first show that hasn’t moved at 100mph. Which is why it’s the best so far haha
There was Sam's 2nd conversation with Isaiah Bradley.
@@parkerboy795 yeah...that was good
Disney's blind, money hungry agenda will never allow them to reach this level of depth. It will be a tragedy felt by many. I'm hoping to be wrong, but if I'm right this would at least make a great metaphor for the death of art at the hands of greed.
The mcu mostly sucks. This show was the best thing to come out of it and the new show by disney is gonna suck.
I really want to be proofed wrong but...yeah
@@CabezasDePescado give it a chance
Lmao keep pretending Netflix isnt money hungry
I just watch the scene now I got watch the series wow wow. Such strong storytelling
Okay, never seen any Daredevil before, but I am watching the entire thing after watching this clip.
Yes. Highly recommend watching this one.
Netflix's Daredevil is one of the best comic book adaptations of any character. It's very grounded, thoughtful in the question of can a lawyer truly be viglante and still call himself a hero? And all the characters are great.
It is incredible
It has Catholic undertones but feels natural
It is there but it is not preachy, Daredevil doesn't fully live by Catholisicm but his morals are strongly rooted in it and it is only a theme
The Villians are amazing, brilliant character depth and really good backstory
Only the end of season 2 was amazing
Every other part was brilliant
Literally this show is gold
It’s awesome
One of the best superhero shows ever made. Three wonderful seasons of great action, fantastic character drama and great writing.
Not a Christian but this is my favourite non fight scene in the entire MCU.
I don’t mean to force Jesus or religion on you, but give Him a shot. He’s real, and really does love and care for you. Do with this message as you want. Thanks for reading.
"Monsters are real, but they are most definitely human" -from Criminal Minds
Dostoevsky's influence is clearly visible throughout the show, adding to its allure. It skillfully weaves in his thematic elements, such as the portrayal of human suffering, in-depth theological discussions, existential angst, and the exploration of evil. Matt's character, in particular, seems to draw inspiration from Alyosha in "The Brothers Karamazov," mirroring his complexity and depth.
Okay, maybe I'm high, but this scene is not only incredible, but it actually has a lot to say about Matt's character and the struggle he's dealing with.
See, when I first saw this scene, I assumed it was about the devil proper, and evil as it related to Fisk and what Matt is fighting against. Like, Matt is trying to understand evil and how to combat it properly. He struggles with violence and his love of it. Like the Father says later in the show, he's looking for a reason NOT to kill Fisk.
But it's also about the devil inside Matt specifically. That part of him that wants to hurt bad people, make them pay, even kill them for what they've done. That part of him is no different than the militia commander in the Father's story. Part of Matt would do the same thing to someone who's hurt and killed so many people. Part of Matt would commit evil to satisfy his urge for justice...and likely damn himself in the process. Matt is RELATING to the commander in the story, and realizing he can't do what the commander did, not even to people like Fisk.
Disney better pay attention.It's not all CGI, cameos, costumes and explosions with Daredevil.
they dgaf about this show, only wanted Charlie Cox because he was popular
"The one place in which Gods and Demons inarguably exist is in the human mind, where they are real in all their grandeur and monstrosity."
- Alan Moore
Every dialogues between them are amazing 😍
One of my favorite aspects of this show.
The whole arc of Matt Murdock in the comics and especially this show is him struggling to be a good Catholic and not to kill Fisk, which would be they easier route.
Disney + Daredevil will never be the same vibe as this 😢
It hasn't even come out, you impatient twat.
Idk, the Echo trailer gave me real Netflix Daredevil vibes.
I am gonna miss Father Lantom in Born Again
"There were people who called themselves Satanists who made Crowley squirm. It wasn't just the things they did, it was the way they blamed it all on Hell. They'd come up with some stomach-churning idea that no demon could have thought of in a thousand years, some dark and mindless unpleasantness that only a fully-functioning human brain could conceive, then shout "The Devil Made Me Do It" and get the sympathy of the court when the whole point was that the Devil hardly ever made anyone do anything. He didn't have to. That was what some humans found hard to understand. Hell wasn't a major reservoir of evil, any more than Heaven, in Crowley's opinion, was a fountain of goodness; they were just sides in the great cosmic chess game. Where you found the real McCoy, the real grace and the real heart-stopping evil, was right inside the human mind."
Good Omens
To be honest, I like Daredevil's reason for the No-Kill Rule much, much better than Batman's. I say this as an atheist because one of the characters refuses to kill out of hope of redemption and judgement, while the other refuses out of a refusal to turn into those he swears to stop, but still refuses to acknowledge that some men deserve death (Joker, for example) if only to stop the havoc the spread.
That's really only part of the reason Batman doesn't kill.
The Bigger and more important reason is he knows if he kills even one of his Villains, he'll never stop.
Earth 51 is a perfect example. On that Earth, when Joker killed Jason, Batman killed him in response.
However, it didn't stop with The Joker. He killed all of his Villains and then moved onto other Heroes Villains.
And this happens throughout DC's Multiverse. Whenever Batman kills, he does not stop.
@@FinalGreymon Batman is just as crazy as other villains of the universe. Killing the villains would be pretty much the solution to the problem. But he doesn't want to actually solve it, as it would eliminate the purpose of his life. So he is perfectly comfortable to allow his enemies to break free again and again, causing chaos and suffering of innocents. And what makes it even better is that he is also oftentimes the main motivation for those villains: they wreak havoc specifically to attract him.
@@voidseeker4394 Tell me you don't read comics without actually telling me. Killing them wouldn't solve anything anyway. Do you have any idea how many times Joker has come back to life?
@@joshheralal8758 i don't see how that contradicts my point. It actually gives even less reason to keep them alive.
Absolutely awesome storyteller👏👏👏
I love this scene, it really made me fascinated with the catholic side of Matt Murdock and this scene has so much depth to it it’s nuts
Father Lantom seeing in the newspaper the day after this that Matt's dressed as a devil beating the crap out of guys: I've made a huge mistake
Love that this show used Matts religion to relate to the story and other characters. It’s something I believe Disney will stay far away from, probably one little joke about him being Catholic.
I doubt so. They literally made a show involving Muslims.
@@kennethlau8990 yeah well in modern hollywood being christian is worse than islam
@@garden3818 No, not true.
@@kennethlau8990 Yeah, that's just for diversity points. Woke people kinda hate Christianity cus it is often associated with western values, so they probably won't bring up his religion unless it is to criticize every part of it
@@arcanewarrior863 Is there proof that "woke" people hate Christianity? The definition of Woke: Anyone who is aware of injustice to society. MLK was woke, and he was a Christian pastor. Plus, Disney wouldn't dare attack a religion.
thanks for uploading with the subtitles....
By far the best casting for any Marvel hero with the exception of RDJ for Tony Stark.
If there is one thing I will miss when Born Again comes out it's these conversations
I really hope they still have these type of conversations, even if it’s with a new Priest.
@@colin4758 I'm sure they will the Disney+ shows have been great and Born Again was confirmed TV-MA so I'm not worried at all
@@kermitofsin8283 the show was never confirmed to be TV-MA and they're hiring writers from Arrow, it will suck, none of the MCU shows touch DD
@@bumbletom10 It was confirmed by Fiege himself and you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Go be a retard somewhere else
@@kermitofsin8283 Wow you seem pretty salty that you got called out on your bullshit statement, please, show me where Feige confirmed it was TV-MA.
So you don't believe he exist
Am I done talking.
That's the new york in him.
@@georgechiefingwashington8315 new yorkers walk among us
That's how people talk with each other when people aren't sensitive. The other person know you are not being rude.
@@georgechiefingwashington8315 is the Christian in him! Every Christians including me believe in the devil because well what Father Latham said!
Matt Murdock (Daredevil) was always my favorite Marvel Comic character. The hand an mind of justice.
God this show was an absolute masterpiece.
"In this world among us." Sus
Mugus
Daredevil: Do you believe in the devil?
Me: Yes, and you do a good job acting as him than just disguising as him when it comes to sparing your enemies.
...you seriously think Matt Murdock is the Devil?
@Garrett Denton no hence why he said "acting"
@@sludgerat666 Thank you.
I always watch the hallway fight scene. The exact opposite from relaxation.
The devil is our greatest enemy .
Will not be getting scenes like this anymore with Disney. So sad since this is a power scene that explains Daredevil beliefs.
This is one of the greatest scenes ever
Yowzer. I forgot how good the actor playing the priest was!
I’m so lucky to have a priest just like this! This is why I love my faith because we understand the importance of having elders who can gives us spiritual advice and just love advice in general
That's why this show was so good
fuck the internet. this was a wonderful, insightful scene
but the moment matt says "among us" i lose my shit
Love this clip
Daredevil said among us oh god
Days without amogus: 0 :(
In this world, amogus
The first part is 100% right, that's actual history.
Anyone else feels like this scene might have been inspired by Roméo Dallaire's book "Shake Hands With the Devil" which talks about his experience in Rwanda during the genocide.
We never see this on Disney (
Best script!
I’ve yet to meet a marvel fan who didn’t like those 3 seasons of Daredevil. Proper grown up dialogue.
Dreading what Disney will do to the show.
This and the talk with Frank are the two biggest points for Matt in his Moral philosophy and sense of ideals………
I,m 100% convinced this scene was inspired by the scene in The Dark Knight, where Alfred tells Bruce the story about the Bandit in Burma
I’m so afraid of daredevil born again,because how can you top these three majestic seasons and with the news that new show will be lighter i’m not sure that that’s something I’m looking forward to watch
“Be sober [well balanced and self-disciplined], be alert and cautious at all times. That enemy of yours, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion [fiercely hungry], seeking someone to devour.”
1 Peter 5:8 AMP
It really puts that image of Michael standing over satan into perspective.
Have you read "5 rounds" it's an amazing daredevil story
*deep discussion about the existence of the devil*
The internet: "haw haw haw among us"
Real shame that Disney stole this show; they aren’t capable of this level of narrative and character depth…
So does Father Lantom ever tell Matt what compelled the commander to brutalise the chief?
I think it’s implied that he just did it for fun or as some kind of sick display of power. Hence why he’s referred to as having the devil inside of him.
You don't become an African war commander without sacrificing parts of your soul.
@@DragonMasterDM Perhaps Gahiji had stood up to this commander, publicly denounced him.
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.
A dumb trick since people still keep talking about him.
@@EmptyMan000 thats why its the greatest trick he ever "pulled". past tense. he can have fun trying to pull the same trick twice.
And the greatest trick God ever pulled was convincing the world he exist.
@@varric And the greatest joke ever told is your comment. Really think about what you just said. "God convincing people he exists" really take that in and understand how stupid that sounds. Theres a time and place for this and the place for this is called Reddit.
@@ace_ofchaos9292 And the greatest coping is yours.
That's how daredevil was born 🔥
The devil walks not among man but within them.
YO HE SAID AMOGUS THATS A REFERENCE DUDE NO WAY AMOGUS
That is a crazy ass story for him to tell
0:32
Dont go back there~
The source of the Devil’s power is drawn by us. But we have and will always have the choice to cut off his supply by bettering ourselves and living above the darkness.
That's a heck of a away to start a video
The militia commander was an impostor
What affects me the most is the idea of one being capable of directing society in a way that is both progressive for the whole as well as being a boon for those involved
Just the truth.
Come to think of it, Ghost Rider is in the MCU so yes angels and demons do exist.
God the writing was good
It’s amusing to think that this occurred in the same world as Love and Thunder
Forget the theological scholar bit it's the "Am I done talking?" that make me believe he's an Irish Catholic Priest.
the devil is a great excuse to dismiss the evil that lurks in everyone we all have a dark side
There is a difference and not a tiny gap between darkness and pure evil.
He’s not an excuse. He is a great example of how people thinking they can play god and don’t need anything of humility or grace can go so wrong. Satan is similar to most modern people today.
The priest is correct. Satan is just the Hebrew word for adversary. Christianity decided to use the word as a name for Lucifer. The Bible is a translation!
"Stopped him how?" .. wise answer. Not every option should be available to a moral or ethical individual. There have to be limits to prevent us from becoming the next devil.
alternatively: the question is an implication that there is no true way to stop evil. The devil is omnipresent in his malevolent system
I dont understand why matthes character refuses to answer this question. Matt doesnt want to kill, so he will not mention shooting teh general. But he himself is bordering on supernatural. Why could he not come up with a gazillion supernatural phenomenons that could have saved Gahiji
The limits that prevent us from "becoming the next devil" exsist on the form of to whom we do these things. Killing Adolf Hitler doesnt make anyone "the next devil"
Season one is the best.
Disney+ please hire the save writers for Daredevil Born again
Stopped him how… by becoming him? Clash of ultimate inner conflict.