Improving the Bonuses on the War Thunder RoadMap
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2024
- With War Thunder's 2023/2024 Roadmap feature of Research bonuses suppose to be coming in the 2nd major update of 2024. I want to go over a idea I had to help the War Thunder Grind.
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I assumed the grind sucks because Gaijin wants us to bypass it with money.
It’s almost like they do every corporate trick in the book to milk every penny out of us. “Free game? Well let’s make the game impossible to progress through in a normal human lifetime without spending a penny.”
@@kentoncompton3009 I would say most developers today already moved away from "frustration" monetization but that requers an alternative like selling cosmetics and such. I also don't understand why the battlepass (something they want to sell to us) is still such a grind, to me it is just bad monetization. A lot of people probably realize they don't want to grind it and won't buy it obv
This is exactly why they did it. They want to lure people in with ads about modern tanks and jets, then throw them in a game with 1920s planes and tanks. The player will become dedicated to getting that abrams or F-14 and will try to get there for free by grinding, only to learn how tough it is to grind, then finally buy in, literally, either by getting the Abrams clickbait, the Leopard panzer batalion, or the T-72 TURMS, or buying a tone of GE to use convertible RP to just fast track their way to the top tier.
It wouldnt fix all the issues but for me it seems ridiculous that I have to research the exact same round for 5-6 different tanks in the same tree. Once you have researched a specific round or missile, you should be able to use that straight away on new vehicles that can use it, unlocking 'dm33' 30 fucking times is just so damn demoralising
If they allowed that to happen then they would just increase the DM33 mod to equal the cost of all 5 of the vehicles which can use it. I think its a better system now because the more modifications a vehicle has the lower the cost is for individual mods. Just it needs improvement to help get though copy paste mods faster.
I forgot which mbt. It happened between "good old days" (when stock apfsds was still a thing) and the "reform" giving high br tanks stock apfsds and fpe.
Once, I made up my mind: no money for gayjin to purchase upgrades! I literally banzai'd with heatfs for 30 matches (no prem account) to get first apfsds+parts+fpe.
After that I quit grinding: higher br is just the same as lower br, only worse, why bother.
Gajjin should give some of the percentage of your convertible RP for free.
Honestly, there are several things that I think will help with the grind. No. 1, reduce the RP cost after 8.0 by 25-50 percent. No.2, allow all vehicles that are folded to have the same 130% RP bonus for the next vehicle. No.3. Remove the expiration time on all boosters. No. 4. Remove wagers, and orders.
Thank you
Who the hell uses orders? And what the fuck are wagers?
@@Panzer_links. wagers let you gamble SL for certain objectives. Example being the "best squad" wager all you have to do for it is get best squad in a match and it will scale with how many times you do it up to 10 allowing for 3 fails.
One of the things they should drop from the grind is “purchase previous vehicle” requirement before getting the next vehicle because it creates a weird speed bump to the grind
Like I don’t purchase the expert crew skills just simply due to the nature of needing to buy tanks that I don’t want which also harms enjoyment of the game and effectively speaking my engagement time with the game (especially with vehicles that are worse)
I’d like to add that, for the first feature you took up, they actually have talked about adding, in fact if you look at the 2024 spring roadmap, it seems as if it’ll be added in the next update,
Hey, there is a mistake in the title, An idea to improve the grind*
I speak in internet Grammar isn't my strong suit.
or, Some ideas to improve grind, because tehre is multiple ideas.
@@_EUREKA.*there are
Dont correct someone then make the same grammatical mistake 🙃
@@kentoncompton3009 don't*
@@zack_ripper8865lol
Id love to have some sl boost to talismans. Right now when i add a talisman to a vehicle i really like and then grind past it, theres no point in even playing it since you gain basically nothing from playing your favorite vehicles. Doesnt have to be as big of a boost as premiums but something better than nothing would be great.
You should just get a one-time flat 3% permanent RP bonus if you buy the end of a line vehicle for each line.
I thought they gonna add a one time permanet xp boost between 20% and 25% if you have in any county a toptier tank/jet/heli
Is it wordt spading certain planes to grind quicker through the tech tree or should i just stick with playing a high tier premium? For example spading tier 6 us jets or just sticking with playing the f5c for the grind
Unlocking special vehicles with your convertible rp would be nice
I feel that ground and helicopter vehicle rp costs need to be lowered because they should not be the same as air since air gets three times more rp
I'm only at 3:17 on the video, so you may have covered it later on in the video. But what I've been saying all along. Is they should just do a flat number based on the rank. Say you spayed it all the vehicles in rank for, you get a permanent 0.XX% booster. It keeps the amount small enough that guys in can still make money off of premium, off of premium vehicles, and everything else. But still gives a boost to the players which let's face it anything is better than nothing at this point. Also it has the other benefit of given incentive for players to go back and research the folder vehicles they skipped, to go back and play vehicles to spade that they didn't like.
It just boosts overall activity within the game. It will also diversify the amount of players playing at each beer instead of 10.0 being the only BR that you can instantly join a match
I like the idea in general. It seems like I wouldn't notice the difference at first, or might not be motivated to get such a tiny boost, but then it adds up over time, and any boost helps anyway. Also, would the boost be just for a vehicle type (ex. America ground), or a nation, or the whole game?
honestly, I'm less concerned with the RP. what I'm always short of is SL, I must have 20+ vehicles unlocked that I can't afford. playing without at least an expert crew feels like I'm at a big disadvantage to a lot of other players and I honestly need all the help I can get to be even remotely competitive. I feel like if you're not above average in skill your SL earnings can be so painful. meanwhile the community just calls it a skill issue and moves on.... the game needs players to stay alive and grow and it seems like gaijin and the community just expect everyone to be a pro to progress at any reasonable rate.
rp is more of a problem in higher tier when you have to research 400k averaging 10k in a good match
you can gain around 1.6mil sl if you earn about 40k per match
It really depends expert crews imo aren't needed unless you plan to play the vehicle in the long term. If its a spade and never play the vehicle again I would recommend against it.
Clearly the SL that would go to vehicles in your case is going to expert crews which many of them don't need to be expert. Like for example if I wanted to expert the crew on my leopard 2a5 it would cost 1,080,000 SL that is 5 or so mid tier vehicles and also 1-2 top tier vehicles in SL.
Stay in the same BR for a while and play ground/naval. ARB is probably the hardest place to earn SL unless you're base bombing and can survive every other game. Average games in GRB or NRB will provide good profit(with premium ofc)
Take off modules you don't use to save that extra few hundred SL, it adds up eventually
Air AB and bombimg the shit out of bases is my SL grind but still sucks
If they make it so that the more spaded vehicles are in your lineup, people might just bring one meta thing and leave the 7 spades things unused. What they should do is you have to play the spaded vehicle to get the bonus. This encourages a balanced and fully spaced lineup and buying GE for crew slots which can become expensive. The bonus can be something kinda small but enough to make the grind go quicker if you have enough spades vehicles and you can use all of them. My idea is around 1% boost per spaded vehicle used in that match. If you get spawn camped or run out of spawn points, then you only get the bonus for the ones you used. Do you get what I mean?
They could just add 2x SL and RP weekends like every other week or 1st week of every ones or what ever you know some nice but not over done. It also incentivizes more play time.
I was thinking 10 percent permanent booster for every tech tree completed
I really want to see them do a couple things RP related
1: Reduce the RP cost of researching the same modification multiple times. I don't want to research the same exact upgrade for 5 different similar vehicles from scratch every time. Every time I do, the next one should be cheaper. It could even carry between tech trees for some vehicles. That would help a lot with the monotony of the grind and let them add more variants of vehicles we already have that people really want to see.
2: Make it so we can turn any vehicle "premium." If I want to grind optimally, I shouldn't have to do it in one of the copy paste vehicles Gaijin has arbitrarily called something special and turned yellow. Make it so talismans are how vehicles turn "premium," giving rp and sl bonuses. That would probably earn Gaijin a lot more money cause now there's a ton more premiums people could buy. While you're at it, merge all the copy paste premiums with the tech tree versions, make them into skins or something, refund whatever overlaps, and make more room for unique vehicles. Copy and paste premium vehicles should not take up more vertical room than the tech tree vehicles you have access to.
3: Overhaul convertible RP, the stuff you have to spend GE to use. I don't think anyone but the biggest whales actually use this stuff, and it's so dumb. I've earned over 14 million in 2 years of playing, it would cost me about $1.5k to use it all. No one in their right mind is ever going to do that! They should remove all the convertible RP and replace it with a free to use version. Make it so you can earn it through things like achievements, the single player missions, tutorials, or maybe some of the hard to get medals. And obviously retroactively give it to the people who have already completed those things. Make it so it can be spent *for free* on researching any vehicle and any modification. That would turn it into a mechanic people would actually use and be happy it exists.
gajin could add ranking battles like the ones in pubg this would prevent bad playing rookies and make it fun for people who have a tech tree spaded
I want matching making to be improved honestly.
I think a less complicated system would be better.
Just give everyone a 50-100% RP boost daily for every nation or a random nation every day on the first match played each day. This would make people pay more premium and buy different premium vehicles to get the most of each nation, while also alluring players to level up other nations.
I liked the change of destroying 3-6-9 vehicles and getting some extra XP that they added not long ago. It's simple and effective and sometimes it makes me use a backup just to try getting the last 1-2 kills for additional XP
Great idea.....also maybe a RP boost the more nations you play and have ranked up....this would promote players to play different nations (good for gaijin and the game as a whole)
hear me out when u finish a tech tree like lets say i finish usa air i get like 15% research boost for the next air tree i grind
If they want to keep the grind extremely long they could at least give us new game modes to make the game more dynamic and fun. Win win.
Just give us back the 50% daily bonus boost for each nation
It will Help, that the Booster donst run Out.
And to handle the 400% boost, gaijin can make a % cap
If you implement the system your way - it'll be exponentially growing booster. You spade a vehicle, you get a boost, you spade next one faster, and faster, and faster. With how many vehicles this game has you will end up at a point where you will get such booster that 1 kill will grant you enough RP to research a top tier vehicle.
How to improve the system?
Way 1 (the wrong way)
Instead of combined bonus from all nations take 1 nation with the most vehicles spaded and apply a boost based on it ( still using your boost math ). This way will work much better but it will mean that nations with more vehicles will benefit much more from this that's why this is the wrong way.
Way 2 (the better way)
Instead of combined bonus from all nations take 1 nation with the most vehicles spaded and apply a boost based on it BUT this time there's a bonus cap and bonus gained for each vehicle is different for different nation. Example: You have 2 nations, nation 1 has 10 vehicles, nation 2 has 50 vehicles. Lets set our boost cap at +100% RP. In this case every vehicle of nation 1 will be worth +10% to the booster while every vehicle of nation 2 will be worth +2% (we can already see the problem here) so without increase in RP required based on amount of vehicles we will benefit smaller nations more so while this way is better it is also still wrong. And increasing RP costs will increase the grind which will upset people further.
Way 3 (an even better way)
We take a set value for a vehicle (your math), we calculate maximum achievable boost for a nation with most vehicles, then we calculate maximum achievable boost for a nation with least vehicles, we add them together and divide by 2 to figure out what each vehicle of each rank should be worth to make things balanced (Resulting value (or something prettier close to this value) should be added as the boost cap). In this case no matter what nation you grind you will get exact same boost with (theoretically) exact same amount of grind (except some rare cases where some nations have like 1-2 vehicles/rank).
So imo Way 3 is theoretically the best way of implementation of the boost system but ofc someone will find how this system is wrong and i would like to hear how to improve it.
Hey @Dawg IV Life I know is not research focus but I would love to see an option for players to trade event vehicles. I ahev vehicles that my friends dont and they have the same situation would be nice to be able to trade them.
The only thing about that would be it gives people a reason to hack into accounts to then "Gift" the event vehicles to a main account.
@DawgIVLife I understand, but the benefits outweigh the damage. The large number of players that will use this feature legitimately would be larger than the people who will exploit it. But again, i value your opinion, and it's a reasonable one. Keep it up, brother
How to improve the grind? It's really easy just delete modifications
Well then how will people get the bonuses from researching modifications tbh you just took away a lot of free RP from just playing vehicles.
@@DawgIVLife that's an easy tradeoff for not having to suffer for the time it takes to grind essential modifications Like parts and ammo. And it's not a hard thing to keep in without modifications, just keep the rp tresholds the moficiatoins would cost and reward people for just playing a vehicle by reaching them. See easy
@@matad1917nah bruh, stock grind sucks we can all agree but getting rid of that would be just even less research earned in the end. if you can’t stick with the suffering of playing stock wt isn’t for you.
@@cornealius8152 that's such a stupid take, what does that even mean? The only reason it's in the game is because there are many people that can't do the stock grind and get basically blackmailed by it into paying for the modifications, I hope you understand that. It's a monetization mechanic and it's not in any way for your benefit, it hasn't been deleted yet because it makes Gaijin too much money, there is no other reason that makes sense
I like the idea but there are a lot of vehicles that i just dont want to use for personal reasons. Almost the entire left tree of US air is undesirable until i get to jets, i dont want to have to spade them for a small RP bonus.
Spaded vehicles should give a bonus imo. You know how each vehicle has a RP and SL bonus at the bottom of the stat card? Maybe once you spade the vehicle, it adds 50% to it.
Lets take the 8.0 American M60 tank for example. It has a 200% SL boost and 202% RP boost for RB. Once spaded, those would jump to 250% and 252%
That's really the point to it that people can still play the game like they want to but it incentives people to spade different vehicles. Like you said you don't like the left side of the US tech tree but lets say you spade everything else you get the bonuses. Which then might make you go spade the left side of the tree because it will be quicker to do.
@@DawgIVLife oh I thought you meant you had to spade the whole rank. I vibe with this a lot more now
@@sethcanning4170 Yea it I think it should be for each vehicle not just the rank
And what if...you if you sapde your vehicle. The vehicle woudl get increased RP (and maybe even SL) rewards. Sething like when you buy a talisman. Of course it shouldnt be to much that rewards from TT vehicle would be bigger then on same rank premium one
No, decrease all RP costs by 50% and RP for modifications separated from vehicle research points
Can You play War Thunder mobile again?
Its a good idea to encourage people to spade vehicles
The SL is a bigger issue for me, every vehicle cost 1. Something million SL& another 800k SL for ONE slot while earning maybe 50k with multiple premium.
While grinding the swedish TT i never had an SL problem. It always just fitted that i made around 100-200k surplus SL
Why would I spade vehicles if I don't like them? No
It's fine just make premium cheaper like top aircraft and tanks should be max 30$ and premium account should give more much more especially money
After my comment on your recent Boycott review of WT here is my assesment:
Gaijin needs to say what most players do (the average). Do they play multiple techtrees? Do they only do 1?
Once that is done, gaijin will see that most pleyers don't research multiple techtrees to their conclusion becuase the Grind is too long. As I've said before 39 days on continuous play to unlock only ground vehicles is way to long for a game that has 9 tech trees worth of Ground Vehicles. Double the number with Air vehicles. 35% booster for only 3 matches is not worth anything, and premium time really isn't valuable at top tier because of how little it gives.
I think that Gaijin needs to fix an RP limit for each rank. Rank VIII can not cost more than 350k rp no matter if they add new vehicles. A cap so that the grind doesn't progressively get worse as they add more vehicles. The game is already grindy enough and most are already buying premiums or premium time because they know that they have no choice to get to top tier.
Gaijin needs the funs however, they are constantly in lack of money paying for advertising they really don't need. 70$ is outrageous for a virtual tank that will cease to exist once the game servers shut down.
Once gaijin knows who they need to milk, then they can say whatever they want. Improving the grind is not in their interest as we saw with the boycott. They don't want to and they don't need to. Those who bought 70$ premiums have already payed. They have the money, they don't care if you never come back, the metrics don't matter to them because they are the only game on the market. If another game like WT comes out, then yeah, only then will they try to make things better. But I believe Spookston when he says that they will try to push those aweful economy nerfs through outside the patch notes.
I tuned into this video and I legit thought I was being shot at or fired some shots myself. I'm using the same Chinese La-9 myself
There should be NO stock grinding in the first place. New vehicles should come spaded, or at least in a competitive condition. It is WRONG to give players pure suffering after they already grind for the exp and sl to buy it.
if they made the game fun, easly accsable. i think more new players would come and give them renevue. i played America germany and russia without prem time or prem tanks and it was fucking fun. after that the grind was so bad I went full pay to progress. it was fun until I reached br's so compressed that some br's like 8.0-8.3 germany was a 91% uptier (yes I fucking counted my uptiers I was that mad) while playing 8.7 russia I almost never got any uptiers. i didn't play America after ww2. sweden was pain in the ass at 7.7 with the strv 81 but the ikv 91 was fun. 8.0 was better and I think this is where I quit the game. it was an endless moneypit that wasn't fun anymore
Convertible RP shouldnt cost GE to use.... make it cost 1k or 5k SL per thousand. Your still gonna have people spending money on premiums ofcourse, and remove wagers from the Chests PLZ!
It'll never happen. Knowing gajin for 7 years, it won't happen. XD
Is it didn't bring gaijin money it will never come 💵😒
It doesn't have to bring them money they publicly said in a roadmap something to easy the grind of playing multiple nations will come. If they back track on that then it will result in a lot of players being mad.
There is NO reason why the grind is SOOOOO long. Its all about money and game addiction, Gaijin is known for being kinda trashy in grind and microtransactions (enlisted is like 10 times worse).
In past was 3 games with booster, this will not hurt them. The average WT player has been playing it for several years. So don't treat people like idiots.
Give a man a finger they want a hand throughout the years research was lowered and lowered and now in my case is pretty easy, so lowering it even more is ridiculous and unnecessary... It's ridiculous how ungrateful and relentless WT community is...
Its really not ungrateful if the company themselves said they where going to introduce bonuses
@@DawgIVLife Maybe they still will, how can you be so certain that they wont?? People these days really would like to play for a bit and get a free abrams when back in the early days i had to work my ass off with 0 boosters and bonuses to get to the top rank 5...
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simple fix double premioum rp and sl earnings and make that number the default earning rate for rp and sl with no premium account second make War thunder cost 60 euros instead of being free
third remove golden eagles and premium/marketplace vehicles and add to tech tree
or keep gold eagles but make it so that everything that is able to be purchased with gl can be purchased with sl aswell
bam done u earn money and players dont suffer simple simple fix ppl also it wont be pay2win like it is now
Please talk more clearly. I hear only half of the words 😅
just stop playing that much that stupid game ,,toch some grass or buy a real game