Why you think you're right -- even if you're wrong | Julia Galef
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2016
- Perspective is everything, especially when it comes to examining your beliefs. Are you a soldier, prone to defending your viewpoint at all costs - or a scout, spurred by curiosity? Julia Galef examines the motivations behind these two mindsets and how they shape the way we interpret information, interweaved with a compelling history lesson from 19th-century France. When your steadfast opinions are tested, Galef asks: "What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?"
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The whole video can be summed up as:
1. Challenge your beliefs
2. Question your assumptions
3. Stick to the facts
If you want to bank on feelings - rather bank on curiosity and a motivation to learn the truth/ build clarity than investing in the comfort from confirming one’s bias or understanding.
A very relevant message in today’s time of social media feeding more of what we know/ want to see/ agree with.
Thanks for this!
This just proves I was right all along
I'm on the left side of the streets(hues lowly while clapping like a seel)
Oh my gosh I know I'm so late to the party here but wow this is a seriously hilarious comment. Thanks I wish you had more likes!
@@saskiascott8181 Haha, to back you up just clicked a like myself... and it appears to be roughly 11 hours after.
@@SoldierPrince Thats some cheeeeese!!! Chief!
@@mkmllrc She talked about Soldier and Scout Mindsets... Was wondering if there was a Sissy Mindset. You confirmed that with flying colours when reading your comment.
I've always presented this idea in terms of the trial lawyer vs the detective. The job of the detective is to find the truth. The job of the lawyer is represent the client. Two very different games. When we are driven by ego we deploy our lawyer self to play the legal game. When we are trying to solve a puzzle we deploy our detective self to play the mystery game.
wow! This analogy is also outstanding!
This is an excellent analogy, except for the fact that detectives are often some of the most affected by motivated reasoning. There are so many examples of police putting on blinders on and disregarding information that goes against their pre established theories, and only pursuing information that conforms to their biases
@@DetectiveTrupo203 you are confusing the job of the detective in the abstract with the specific performance of a particular detective. The latter is not germane to the former. To conflate these two things is to make a category mistake. The point is not whether any or all particular detectives fail to do their job, the point is that their job is different than the lawyer's. Full stop.
@@petertrahan9785 absolutely sir, agreed. I wasn't saying you're wrong, I was commenting on the unfortunate reality of many real world police.
What an astute analogy!
What a great closing statement .. “we need to learn how to feel proud not ashamed when we notice we have been wrong about something. We need to learn how to be intrigued but not defensive when we encounter information that contradicts our prior belief”
This is one of the most simple and humble presentations I've ever seen.
I strongly agree✨
I hate marijuana and anyone will thange my mind.
I hate marijuana and anyone will change my mind.
@@juanpedro4083 honestly
Only marijuana can change your mind...
could you give an example of uhh. a not humble presentation?
Based on the comments, there’s 3 kinds of people in the world:
1. Those who are wise enough to understand that they understand nothing.
2. Those who are too dumb to understand they don’t know everything.
3. Those who will definitely not miss the chance to inform you about the previous two kinds of people.
1 is not wise as people should understand gravity exist and pulls objects toward the ground many other things they should understand also. So your examples are not logical.
4. those who know a bunch of quotes from ancient greek philosophers talking about 1 or 2
@@hydrolito Your sentence above makes no sense.
@@hydrolito but can you explain how gravity works? There are flaws in all kinds of theories of gravity, including general relativity. To say that we can completely understand even the simplest things such as gravity wouldn't be true lol. 😔
Thanks for your reminder
This is gold to my soul. I have been questioning myself,regarding so much. I still question others,but always look at other viewpoints.
We have always needed this but, now our society needs this more than ever! Thank you! 🙏
What
We don't believe in something because it's true. It's true to us because we believe it.
The unconscious aspect of the soldier mentality.
onemessenjah - bullshit.
We SHOULD believe in something only when it's true. And also the believing it makes it true for us.
@@steveoh9025 It's hard to know whether or not what we believe in is true. Whatever we do, something we will believe in will end up being wrong. The best thing we can do is realize that we might as well wrong, to actively work to contradict our own beliefs and to keep an open mind when discussing with others. Keep investigating, even if the results make you uncomfortable.
@@Vorexia "Especially if it makes you uncomfortable".
Want to believe
Another important bias to confront in addition to the one mentioned in the talk is Naive Realism. To play off the speaker's metaphor, naive realism involves believing that you have a scout mindset when you really still have a soldier mindset. It is the universal tendency for people to believe that they see the world objectively and that their viewpoints are therefore automatically correct, even when they're perception may be biased and incomplete and they have made no attempts to investigate whether their viewpoints are truly supported or not. Naive realism compounds the soldier mindset by leading people to deny that they have it.
Precisely. Very well elaborated.
Yes, good points. People in general like to believe they are smarter and wiser than they truly are, and this can solidify the fantasy that they have a scout mindset in their own minds.
But...I really believe I am rather objective.
BIG CHAT !!!!! Nuff Respek All Di Way From Jamaica.
I'm inclined to believe you. However, it's important to acknowledge that there are certain steps that one needs to go through to be objective. If you actively and successfully engage in these steps, you can claim you are being objective. If you don't, then you can't claim that you're being objective. Simply believing that we're objective, or even having an intention to be objective, is not a reliable indicator that we're actually being objective, because beliefs and intentions are subjective.
An example of these steps would be making sure to read an equal number of articles that agree and disagree with your viewpoint, and then listing one strength and one weakness for each.
Thank you. The topic was well presented and shed some light on how it affected a whole generation. As a boy growing up in the shadow of WWII, the people in charge were veterans of that war. They also had a mental mind set that categorized EVERYONE/EVERYTHING immediately. Once someone or thing was 'labeled', there was no changing their minds. Your "soldier' analogy was enlightening and accurate. Those men had to make a decision and act on it right away or they would not make it home. Once engrained, that thinking is not very flexible, believe me. I admired those men for what they did, but those awful years braking that terrible grip their prejudice had on this country was a scare on both generations felt to this day by survivors. I have noticed a revival of that kind of thinking lately, only it is not based in a cause like defeating fascists', but in self righteousness based in ignorance fanned by ill intent egomaniacs.
powerful message, the last statement ," What do you yearn for. " gave me goosepumps.
Too bad more people haven't viewed this video; the message is quite valuable and very much needed by so many.
Wel said
I hate marijuana and anyone will change my mind.
Well said.
The more I learn, the more I learn I have so much more to learn.
I learnt as a young man that the way to be right most of the time was by learning to accept being wrong. Most people are functionally rtarded (go visit reddit to meet with them) because they can never accept being wrong and therefor deny themselves access to the means of being right.
So you basically yearn learning
Isn’t that a quote of Aristotle?
and how have you gone 7 months later :P
@@Tjommass yearning
Looking forward to reading your book on the scout mindset, Julia!
Wow!!! What a presentation... an eye opener for sure. Very simple... and very valuable. Thanks Julia... and thanks TED!!!
The worst part is, when all you are looking for is the truth - and rational conversation - you reap the ire of BOTH sides of the debate. It's mind boggling to someone who doesn't care what you think, but your reasons for thinking it.
I feel u bro
Agreed. I cannot count the amount of times I've been accused of holding mutuality exclusive positions simultaneously. It's ridiculous.
@@PeteNicholls66, I thought FAE is when you attribute someone's actions to their character while mostly ignoring outside influencers.
I hate marijuana and anyone will change my mind.
@@juanpedro4083 why do you hate marijuana?
“You must see with eyes unclouded by hate. See the good in that which is evil, and the evil in that which is good. Pledge yourself to neither side, but vow instead to preserve the balance that exists between the two.” -Hayao Miyazaki
we must all be thankful that the anti-gentiles have crafted society to make reciprocation illegal and immoral.
This explains many of the modern day cultural and communal conflicts. Amazing insights!
Most "Beautiful Mind" and Thoughtful Person I have come across! Thank you
Ted talk with my favorite rational thinker?! best day ever.
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- Aristotle
Preach
@@jaysaley7336 Preach
@@imunderyourbedrun8227 LMFAOOO
@@jaysaley7336 it is contained in Aristotle's Metaphysics
@@jaysaley7336 Ha
Motivated reasoning: Inductive reasoning (theory as premise and work backwards), cognitive bias (apophenia) and interpolation (rationalisation).
Soldier Mindset: fear and disgust/amygdala
Scout Mindset: empathy and curiosity/anterior cingulate gyrus
Compelling argument, splendid presentation. Great Talk!
Reminds me of the book, "Mistakes were made, but not by me."
or The Righteous Mind
Will add to my read list, thank you
Steve Muratore wow you just tripped me out. The book is sitting on my desk right now I got it last week still unread.
I hate marijuana and anyone will thange my mind.
I hate marijuana and anyone will change my mind.
So true, detachment from all things including our believes and traditions ,helps us to evaluate every situation or characters we encounter with an open minded , less judgmental and understanding approach.
Something to remember is there's a little soldier in all of us. Some are more or less so, but there's a little in us all.
Great presentation and illustration! Inspiring, insightful, easy to understand.
This was so eye opening and it explains a lot about why America is such a divided country right now.
Ken they're divided because they're indoctrinated to choose to NOT use their inherent Ed ability to think for themselves! This video is a perfect example of that!!!!!
@@tommajor3832 indoctrinated to act as the ego, which feels very threatened and lashes out when core beliefs are challenged. Seems to happen at the collective level as well.
lol, slippery slope.
I hate marijuana and anyone will change my mind.
I hate marijuana and anyone will change my mind.
There's only two types of people; Those who are seeking the truth, even if it doesn't come from themselves, and those who wish to convince the world they have the truth and try to sell you on it.
like karens?
@@atulyanishant8663 and democrats
I'd argue that it's safest to see everyone as doing both those things. Otherwise, it's very easy to be in the second category while feeling good about oneself for thinking you're in the first.
Is this a truth you are trying to sell us?
@@natzos6372 How much money do you think I'm making from you? There's your answer.
Excellent presentation. There are so many times leaders are interested in being right themselves rather than winning if someone else gets the credit.
The tile of the talk itself has so much meaning in it
Oh wow. This makes so much sense now! Everyone who's ever disagreed with me must've had Soldier mindsets.
Lol
Yeah right? Everyone's deluded but me!
:'D
You must agree with me, or you'll be late.
What do you mean "late"?
She's an amazing woman but one small correction: when Dreyfus was sent to prison French society hardly considered the matter closed. It divided families and the debate over his guilt or innocence destroyed friendships. That's a well documented part of French history.
I'm not sure she meant French society. I believe she said 'for the most part, France considered the matter closed'. I would take this to believe the French government, not society. But I don't know much about the specific incident!
Do you think she's exposing a bias when she alters that part?
I think she meant the government and the army. I'm not sure whether the public at large was concerned one way or the other. But Dreyfus had some great defenders including Zola and Clemenceau who worked tirelessly and for a long time after they saw that there was no convincing evidence against him. Indeed, some of the evidence against him, it turned out, had been fabricated, and proven to be so.
Yes, I agree. Anyone who took AP European history knows this much. The Dreyfus Affair, because it was so controversial, exposes not only antisemitism in France but also growing consciousness to be against antisemitism.
I hate marijuana and anyone will change my mind.
The most simple and powerful message that hit my mind in years.
Wonderful mind, brilliant communicator, inspiring young lady, well done!! Thank you🤩
It was an eye opener for me. I will step back and contemplate about how my mindset is now. I think everyone should do that once in a while.
The ego convinces us we are right when deep down we know we're wrong. We need to find faults in ourselves as a daily habit to overcome this and the key to want to do something as strange as that is to push ourselves to love everyone. Love is an eye opener (real love, not lust, which is blind, as the saying goes). Why love everyone? Because when love opens you're eyes to truth, you will find you become more free, happy etc. Love for all, hatred for none.
This is an incredible video I wish many more people could see it. this video has made me question myself about how I view my opinions. Thankyou Julia Galef
This is amazing and precisely what I’ve been searching for 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
The topic of having an open mindset is very needed for parents and kids relationship, where old thinking and insisting on proving an old mindset is right prevents acceptance of new ideas.
Thanks for the talk. 👏
Julia you are an outstanding public speaker and I commend you on how well you deliver your POV: well articulated, concise and cogent. You're outstanding........ and really pretty as well.
Great lectureship. Thanks to Julia
TED Talks are always so educational and informative.
Her analysis is dead on.
I don't think each person is tied to a single mindset. According to the rubicon model of action phases, people switch from a "scout mindset" to a "warrior mindset" after making a decision. It actually helps follow through with a goal if we don't question them all of the time. Only if there is strong reasons to change our mindset, we switch back to the open mindset.
That makes sense - many of us apply both mindsets, to different things at different times. Stefan, what you wrote helped me think about something important at my job more clearly - i think it’s an insight that helps us self examine.
V h
This should be one of the most recommended videos on any platform.
Nice talk Julia Galef. The best moment was you mentioning Saint Exupery's statement
We also need to learn to not be so aggressive when correcting people to not pursue a topic so hard but know when to let go.
The audience seems quite dull. It was an interesting enough talk.
exactly what I was thinking. this is actually a pretty good talk for almost everyone. that kind of mindset is one most people in the world should strive to have
They were too busy fortifying their biases
I lol'd.
meh if you are ten maybe
Defending yourself eh?
I appreciate the thing about the mind set which you explain it very well.
Excellent, excellent talk. Thank you.
Such a brilliant talk! Be curious, challenge your own beliefs and always having a learning attitude. Be proud of learning something new instead of sticking to old outdated views that no longer serve your growth.
Excellent story to help us understand the scout mindset. We all fall into defending our beliefs sometimes, even when we're wrong.
Glad to know i had the scout mindset and would ensure i stand by it ,in the times to come!
I call it "mind inertia" - it is very hard for the mind to change direction, especially about things rooted in us (fundamental believes): it's much easier to fight any idea that's trying to change the course of our life, than accepting our entire life is based on a lie and rebuild it. The first stage of grief is denial, and parting from important parts of our personality is like a death.
So, mind will do everything to continue in the direction it was going rather than be derailed and crash.
That was the best outlook I've heard in a long time. I wish everybody could see things this way.
I have been following Mrs/Miss Galef on Twitter because she always seems very fair and measures. I didn't know she did talks, and she's even better now
This is the most important TED talk I have ever listened to. I have summarized it so I can review it every morning for some time until I own it and become the open minded scout that I think I want to be but know I am not. I want to remembered for my good judgement rather than my liberal biases.
This is something I've been trying to work on for a while now. Coming into discussions with the aim of hearing and understanding someone's opinion and point of view, rather than trying to forcefully establish and insist upon my own. I'm pretty terrible at it, to be honest. I love to learn, and believe in finding the truth, but I do so loathe to be wrong. Not getting defensive is something I'm getting a hold of, but I still have that negative feeling around it.
Alot of times my sister is wrong...But I always (treat) her as she is right. Then she will look it up....and find out the truth....she used to come to me and apologize....But I always told her not to do that. Till this day.....I ALWAYS side with her answer and decisions.....rather wrong or right. She also doesn't admit that I was right anymore .. which I'm totally good with that....she shouldn't have to apologize for being wrong.
Just like you should never apologize for being wrong....even when you find out something is different than what you thought. Even if you forcefully insisted that you were right about something....rather you are or not....I would not call you out....I would most likely agree with you and I would be the one apologizing to you....Just because!
One of the biggest barrier I see is that, we tend to associate with those idea we've been preaching for years. And denying them feel like lacking of consistency and like people won't trust us anymore
Interesting watching this 5 years later looking back using this theory explains a lot about how we responded as a society to what was happening politically
This makes sense to me, I'm a lifelong learner, I've rejected many of my childhood convictions, and I'm an old infantry scout.
Excellent!! Thanks for sharing!
This was an amazing speech and I've really felt I learned a lot from it. Thank you
I absolutely love this speech. Thank you!
This has opened ,e up to so many possibilities. Thanks so much for this
Baye's Theorem in all its priors, and unconscious decisions in practice. Love the abstraction and well articulated.
Nailed it! Thank you soooo much. This is exactly what I was searching for.
Yes!!! This is exactly right! I've been trying to say this stuff for years! This lady is awesome!
Great talk, I loved it! Thank you!
Way of presentation so nice, Julia.
Listening to this in 2021 - this feels soooo far ahead of its time.
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It’s solid common sense, stated simply and well.
In what way is it ahead of its time? There has always been solid common sense, stated simply and well, throughout history. It is often ignored.
Mostly I just mean the way people are approaching news and politics and pretty much everything else, the vast majority haven’t learned this yet. It’s very timely but simply 100 times more people need to hear it.
@@CrannBethadh Agreed, except hearing it won’t make a difference.
They will just keep doing what they are doing, until they come to terms with their own insecurities and get some understanding of why they are not open to intellectual honesty.
Awesome talk! What's funny is being open, and willing to change your mindset, is itself a mindset, that may be difficult for some to ever change. If it proves that being headstrong and fighting for your position, even when wrong, is a net benefit to society, it'd certainly be very difficult for me to change from my "always open to changing" mindset, but I'd give it a shot!
This is the very foundation of the scientific process, without the scout mindset the scientific method has no legs. Meaningless and potentially harmful results can occur. Balancing and weighing evidence truthfully can be difficult, but as long as you remain committed, you are still seeking truth. It's notable that she states a willingness and acceptance to be proven wrong isn't tied to IQ or status. Truth seeking is a mindset. This was a great TED Talk and reminds us why stoicism is a simple, fair, and powerful approach to life.
Seek real facts.
Don't agrue fact on speculation.
Keep your mind open to new evidence and weigh it fairly.
The insight which she points out clearly is very important tenet to conceive our way of seeing what the world is going for now.
Wow boyyyy!!!....This is some real needed stuff, I am glad to hear such. If only the whole world could listen to this.
Literally everyone: "Those traits apply 100% to me!".
This could actually be true, because those scouts would watch this video - people who don't think they are wrong, would not watch a video titled like that, would they?
@@xxwaldi suffice it to say, different literature appeals to different crowds, a proportion of which must be attracted to, and, therefore, relating to, such literature
Thereby, creating the scenario which Coffee has brought to light
I'd wager that the solider and scout mentalities applies to just about everyone if not everyone to various degrees; I think it's more important to develop and maintain testing frameworks to figure out which one you are at any given time.
Thank you!
Highly appreciated talk
Our beliefs are usually essentially our barriers
Nihilists?
The wisest man understands that he understands nothing.
If that is true then there are no wise men. The second he understands he understands nothing he has understood 1 thing thus he canno't be wise since a wiseman understand nothing.
John Ecstasy
Exactly.
He will never understand nothing, he will never understand anything.
All he can do is contemplate in whatever direction he chooses to and hope he is right about his findings.
Thought he way choose to prioritise his contemplations,
He will never fully lock his opinions as understood basis.
He finds everything debatable, even this very topic.
I like this. I heard something of a variation of this a while ago. "A fool thinks himself to be a wise man, a wise man knows himself to be a fool."
Hmmm, well fair enough if you believe that. Though in my opinion, I don't believe that one person is smarter than an other, I don't think it's something that is so easy to measure on a scale and generalise. We all have our own specialities and personal interests, so whilst you may be smart in certain subjects, another person could know a lot about totally different things. I'll summarise my feelings about this with another quote: "everyone in the world knows something that you don't." Every person on the planet has their own brilliance in different ways.
@@jamesmorrison-knight3477 'I like this. I heard something of a variation of this a while ago. "A fool thinks himself to be a wise man, a wise man knows himself to be a fool." '
thank you so so much! this is a great insight! be proud to discover you were wrong!
Brilliance delivered with beauty
This is the one of the best presentation on TED ever! Thank you Julia!
Have you seen all the others?
Do you understand what 'one of the best' means? It signifies that the presentation ranks highly among the ones the original commenter had seen.
I'm curious, if you believe one needs to have seen all TED Talks to make a claim about one being among the best? If you have a different perspective or if there's a particular TED Talk that you favor, feel free to share.
I'm having a bit of difficulty understanding the intent behind your question about whether someone has seen all TED Talks. Given the vast number of talks, it seems more reasonable to ask how many the commenter has seen.
In my opinion, expecting anyone to have seen 'all' TED Talks is a significant expectation and, realistically, the response will likely be 'no', especially considering your question was asked three years after the original comment was made.
In that timeframe, many Ted talks have already been held.
Wow, this video blew my mind so many times. I wish I can develop a good scout mindset
that's correct, mindset play big role in people decision
Awesome! Love it. Thank you.
"Desires and fears shape the way we interpret information."
You summed up the entire video in less than 10 words. :)
Hey Julia, this video got me onto your channel, and I've watched a few videos now. I just want to say thank you for discussing such thoughtful topics, and I always feel like I'm slightly more clever after listening to what you have to say.
Thank you for TED
Very basic virtue needed by every individual. Well articulated. 👍
This was so amazing! Really puts a finger on what I've been searching for most my life. Scout mindset! That is what I want ^_^
You got me
Galef asks: "What do you most yearn for? Do you yearn to defend your own beliefs or do you yearn to see the world as clearly as you possibly can?"
Ans: We yearn for what we need: Someone who is losing does not want to see the world clearly, they need to imagine a world worth living in, and we’re all losing most of the time.
We need honesty and justice in our actions, talk, believes, behavior, faith, and everything.
Thank you ✨
I hope this young lady has a major leadership role in the country.
it's an amazing presentation.. I just shared this video to a friend of mine who think curiosity hold us back :)
Wow, I never heard of such opinions. Would you share how exactly he thinks curiosity holds us back?
I would guess your friend is a very religious person
@@luism7824 you're probably right. If we're curious enough, eventually there's no room for the so-called "god" to exist.
I hate marijuana and anyone will change my mind.
This was an amazing presentation!
Excellent speech and clear observation.🥰👍