💯🚀💯...so what you're really saying is, "Hey! I know a thing or two about this as I'm a huge fan of all things space and NASA" Well fair enough, tell us more, fellow space geek! 👍🏼🤪🥳🛸🩻🌐🪁☯️
There is an entire freshwater recirculating and pumping system just as there are for many applications which I might add "cost an arm, a shoulder and a leg". The reason the water disappears from the lower level is because it is falling into collection grates and heading back to a large relatively thin, quick passage filter and no doubt several industrial pumps similar to the type that sucks up seabed sand through a ship's pump unit and spits it out to another place to create a 'solid' base for the famous Palm residential "phase", out there in "Arab-land", and other such places. Other examples of recirculated freshwater are any public fountains, the famous fountains of the Bellagio Hotel & Casino on the Las Vegas strip for example, etc. - The most "criminal" waste of freshwater is used in (of all places) a desert environment; the golf courses of L.V., U.S.A. L.V., where catastrophic water shortage is looming and the Hoover dam's Lake Mead is all but finished when it comes to hydro-power production; electricity for the whole vast area. L. V. where until the 11th hour they think it's alright to have wasted so much for the sake of greedy business and living it up like there's no tomorrow! L.V., a place that gobbles-up - is it 3 times as much fresh, potable water than the average city in America (per capita)? 💦🫠 😵🤯😰🤕😠 "What happens in vegas... ...Stays in Vegas", except for precious clean water, most of which is lost, by the look of the white water mark at Lake Mead! 😢
They use freshwater, like you said saltwater is corrosive. Fresh water is already very cheap as well, salt water from the cape would need its own filtration systems to remove particles.
@DrPhilMM Are you sure that wasn't NASA and Boca Vista! 👨🏼🦳👵🏻😴💤 🙊 It's alright, I'm just being a cheeky monkey. NASA's water facets were always called "rainbirds" and these are the best I've seen, these are fr#@king AWESOME!
@@owensmith7530ah right, so does a lot of this water instantly become steam when it comes in contact with the hot rocket exhaust during launch and create the huge white clouds we see?
@@dbrenzSome of it does a lot doesn't but all that white clouds is a mix of smoke and mainly steam. The forces are almost unfathomable, were talking here of a force shockwave and heat hotter than the surface off the sun, that can weaken and eventually destroy some degree of solid concrete! A water deluge system is cheaper than launch pad reconstruction even if steel. cheaper
Building such a system in Boca Chica would be a red tape nightmare. When Starship moves to Florida it may get something like this. But for the time being it does not fit their rapid prototype style of development.
Waste of money for starship. The flame trench was built so the shock waves wouldn't damage the engine. Starship engines are designed to lift off from another planet..
@@DrPhilMM Are you sure that wasn't NASA and Boca Vista! 👨🏼🦳👵🏻😴💤 🙊 It's alright, I'm just being a cheeky monkey. NASA's water facets were always called "rainbirds" and these are the best I've seen, these are fr#@king AWESOME!
@@r.martin3494 I don't know what do you mean, but if you're referring to what I said about Boca Chica New tower. That's a fact, by the Army Corps of Engineers refused to grant SpaceX the approval. It asked for more detailed proposal.
Maybe that's the point but in reverse; Elon's whole concept is not slow and permanent but fast, recyclable, renewable. He's amazing and we need more like him. NASA too is the embodiment of success and stability, longevity, (though it wasn't always) as it all comes down to money in the form of relevance, timely completion, reliability, creativity and lessons learned, the hard way. For a more powerful rocket, you need a more structurally resilient pad.
Starship's astronaut's reported that the ride was vibrating so much they couldn't have seen anything had they needed to! From his tone and timing one could tell he was not only physically shaken, but also "physically shaken"! 😅 Man! That must have been really scary wondering at which point the ship was going to fall apart or something precious fall off or fail upon return.
A proper water deluge system, along with a flame trench. SpaceX Super Heavy team take note, this is how to do it properly not the weak booster bidet system you have.
SpaceX may not have a flame diverter, but its water deluge system is 10 times more powerful and gets to where it needs to go pretty instantly. This one took a long while to reach everywhere. All we can do is see what's what once we see what the 2nd starship launch looks like. Also, a flame deverter takes away from some liftoff. This is the main reason Elon didn't go with a traditional flame diverter.
@@ericblanchard5873 Elon didn't go with a flame diverter or initially a water deluge because he thought he knew better than NASA or the Soviet space programmes and could save the cost. And for once he was completely wrong. As you say we'll find out soon enough if the booster bidet is sufficient, but it still feels like cheaping out to me.
@@owensmith7530- Cost is one of many factors. Getting approval is another. They're already having a hard enough time with the fish and wildlife services to approve the current one. A massive deluge system and flame diverter like this would have been a red tape nightmare. Starship is also in a unique position where it may not need a large system because the vehicle is overbuilt in terms of dry mass and thus more resistant to shockwaves.
Wow,nice,I love 39b still making me nostalgic for shuttle and Saturn era🧑🚀🌟
💯🚀💯...so what you're really saying is, "Hey! I know a thing or two about this as I'm a huge fan of all things space and NASA" Well fair enough, tell us more, fellow space geek! 👍🏼🤪🥳🛸🩻🌐🪁☯️
@@r.martin3494 I'm sorry you have internet,if you want to know more🤪
I am wondering about structural engineering of the whole launch pad structure, how full proof engineering is this! Amazing
It sure ain't made in China 🍜 for public use, that's for "dang" sure!!! 💸🦟🕸️🕷️
There is an entire freshwater recirculating and pumping system just as there are for many applications which I might add "cost an arm, a shoulder and a leg". The reason the water disappears from the lower level is because it is falling into collection grates and heading back to a large relatively thin, quick passage filter and no doubt several industrial pumps similar to the type that sucks up seabed sand through a ship's pump unit and spits it out to another place to create a 'solid' base for the famous Palm residential "phase", out there in "Arab-land", and other such places. Other examples of recirculated freshwater are any public fountains, the famous fountains of the Bellagio Hotel & Casino on the Las Vegas strip for example, etc.
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The most "criminal" waste of freshwater is used in (of all places) a desert environment; the golf courses of L.V., U.S.A. L.V., where catastrophic water shortage is looming and the Hoover dam's Lake Mead is all but finished when it comes to hydro-power production; electricity for the whole vast area. L. V. where until the 11th hour they think it's alright to have wasted so much for the sake of greedy business and living it up like there's no tomorrow! L.V., a place that gobbles-up - is it 3 times as much fresh, potable water than the average city in America (per capita)? 💦🫠 😵🤯😰🤕😠
"What happens in vegas...
...Stays in Vegas", except for precious clean water, most of which is lost, by the look of the white water mark at Lake Mead! 😢
🙄
I wonder if it's saltwater from the ocean but then again that would rust everything that's a lot of freshwater to be dumping out
fresh water [or desalinated seawater not sure], pumped into a pair of water towers nearby. look up SSWS tower for more info
They use freshwater, like you said saltwater is corrosive. Fresh water is already very cheap as well, salt water from the cape would need its own filtration systems to remove particles.
They have a collection and recirculation system
Why was this the first thought I had when I saw this
waste of so much fresh water
Espectacular!!!!!!
Yes indeed, it is truly 🫠SPECTACULAR!!! 🥳
Show the pumps
@DrPhilMM
Are you sure that wasn't NASA and Boca Vista! 👨🏼🦳👵🏻😴💤 🙊 It's alright, I'm just being a cheeky monkey. NASA's water facets were always called "rainbirds" and these are the best I've seen, these are fr#@king AWESOME!
cooling down with this ? ( apollo 11 press conference )
How many hundreds of thousands of gallons of water are being dumped in that time span
450,000 gallons. The system at 39B can run at a rate of 1.1 million gallons per minute.
Is this scenario in case of fire??
No it's to suppress the noise, shock waves and and heat of the rocket launch so it doesn't destroy itself and the pad.
I mean... technically... yeah
@@owensmith7530ah right, so does a lot of this water instantly become steam when it comes in contact with the hot rocket exhaust during launch and create the huge white clouds we see?
@@dbrenzSome of it does a lot doesn't but all that white clouds is a mix of smoke and mainly steam. The forces are almost unfathomable, were talking here of a force shockwave and heat hotter than the surface off the sun, that can weaken and eventually destroy some degree of solid concrete! A water deluge system is cheaper than launch pad reconstruction even if steel. cheaper
@@dbrenz
Or the short answer is; Steam? White clouds? Noises? No! That's after lunch not launch!
Does your launch-stand sometimes not feel...as FRESH as it should be? 🛀
😅😂🎉 ....then try -
when u see a cockroach on the launch pad
Can Orion be refused?
What do you mean, refused by whom?
Do you mean re-used? If so, then yes... the crew capsule is reusable anyway (the service module isn't)
What! Steam? White clouds? Noises?
No No, dear boy!
That comes after lunch!
Not launch!
This how the deluge system should be built, not like what SpaceX is doing with Starship deluge system!
Building such a system in Boca Chica would be a red tape nightmare. When Starship moves to Florida it may get something like this. But for the time being it does not fit their rapid prototype style of development.
@@motokid6008 Agreed.
However, SpaceX wanted to build another tower in Boca Chica.
Waste of money for starship. The flame trench was built so the shock waves wouldn't damage the engine. Starship engines are designed to lift off from another planet..
@@DrPhilMM
Are you sure that wasn't NASA and Boca Vista! 👨🏼🦳👵🏻😴💤 🙊 It's alright, I'm just being a cheeky monkey. NASA's water facets were always called "rainbirds" and these are the best I've seen, these are fr#@king AWESOME!
@@r.martin3494 I don't know what do you mean, but if you're referring to what I said about Boca Chica New tower. That's a fact, by the Army Corps of Engineers refused to grant SpaceX the approval. It asked for more detailed proposal.
That's a proper launch pad... unlike the 'stool' where Musk's Starship sits.
Maybe that's the point but in reverse; Elon's whole concept is not slow and permanent but fast, recyclable, renewable. He's amazing and we need more like him. NASA too is the embodiment of success and stability, longevity, (though it wasn't always) as it all comes down to money in the form of relevance, timely completion, reliability, creativity and lessons learned, the hard way. For a more powerful rocket, you need a more structurally resilient pad.
Starship's astronaut's reported that the ride was vibrating so much they couldn't have seen anything had they needed to! From his tone and timing one could tell he was not only physically shaken, but also "physically shaken"! 😅
Man! That must have been really scary wondering at which point the ship was going to fall apart or something precious fall off or fail upon return.
Womp womp
Lmao the starship pad survived 3 flights with the steel plate thing
That's one way to rinse off your launch pad.
Also, I liked my own post 😅
Well!!...
...No one can accuse you of dishonesty, Blanchard! 😅
If it's any consolation, I like your own comment too!
😮 D'Oh!
इन लास्ट इयर
Noice
If I hit "translate", your message becomes, "noise". How very appropriate for launch day! 🚀
Launch pad bidet
A proper water deluge system, along with a flame trench. SpaceX Super Heavy team take note, this is how to do it properly not the weak booster bidet system you have.
SpaceX may not have a flame diverter, but its water deluge system is 10 times more powerful and gets to where it needs to go pretty instantly. This one took a long while to reach everywhere. All we can do is see what's what once we see what the 2nd starship launch looks like. Also, a flame deverter takes away from some liftoff. This is the main reason Elon didn't go with a traditional flame diverter.
@@ericblanchard5873 Elon didn't go with a flame diverter or initially a water deluge because he thought he knew better than NASA or the Soviet space programmes and could save the cost. And for once he was completely wrong. As you say we'll find out soon enough if the booster bidet is sufficient, but it still feels like cheaping out to me.
@@owensmith7530- Cost is one of many factors. Getting approval is another. They're already having a hard enough time with the fish and wildlife services to approve the current one. A massive deluge system and flame diverter like this would have been a red tape nightmare. Starship is also in a unique position where it may not need a large system because the vehicle is overbuilt in terms of dry mass and thus more resistant to shockwaves.
How do you plan on building one on the moon?
@@owensmith7530NASA didn't build the trench to protect the pad, they built a trench to keep the shock waves from destroying the engines.
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