Great work, we have a couple of guys in my alliance who do the math to some of this stuff to work out best value and ROI. This is one we hadnt gotten to yet, so thanks for that!
Researching battle skills is far more effective as a f2p player To even stay relevant in the game compared to the p2w. Not that f2p can ever compare to p2w. Its simply a psychological cash grab for century games.
@@RUclipsChannel-fu5yw F2P = Free to play, (those that don't spend money or very little money) P2W = Pay to Win (Those that spend money regularly and are usually the state whales that always on top of the leaderbords)
Makes 0 sense. Of course the final/last upgrades will have diminishing returns.... just like every other upgrade.... What would be the fastest way to upgrade EVERYTHING? A) Upgrade everything but research speed first, and then upgrade research speed B) Upgrade ALL research speed first, then upgrade everything else Which would be faster? Obviously B! All upgrades have diminishing returns, what's the point of even mentioning it? It's only worth mentioning if say you intend to play the game for say a fixed amount of time, like 3 months, then quit. Then you can factor in diminishing returns. If your final objective is the upgrade everything, it's a no brainer that research speed *must* be fully maxed and upgraded *first*
You have misunderstood the video. There is no reason to upgrade everything because research speed is useless after finishing all the research. I'll explain with an extreme analogy below: - 1% increase in research speed cost 100 years to finish - the rest of the research will take a total of 10 minutes to finish Plan: A) invest 100 years to improve the research speed by 1% first so that the rest of the research will take a total of 5 seconds faster, and you will now finish EVERYTHING. B) invest straight into the rest of the research with 10 minutes and skip the research speed improvement, because it's useless anyway. This is the case for this final research speed, it is almost never beneficial regardless of how long you play the game. It's not your fault for thinking the longer-term research speed will be always better, but I do math to show you what is true or false.
@@Sheepy_WOS "research speed is useless after finishing all the research" That assumes there will be no more new research skills added to the game. "extreme analogy below: - 1% increase in research speed cost 100 years to finish - the rest of the research will take a total of 10 minutes to finish" Your analogy is wrong, because the rest of research far exceeds the time taken to complete that 1% increase in research speed, in reality. If anything, it's the opposite!: -1% increase in research speed will take a total of 10mins to finish -the rest of research will take 100 years Would your analogy still work? Think. Your assumption, your analogy is wrong, so how can your conclusion be correct?? Let's use real values, T7 research lvl 1,2,3 would cumulatively cost a total of 80days. That's just one branch of T7. Trainer tools T7, total of 1,2,3 would cumulatively cost a total of 188days.. And there are 4 other T7s, and that's just in Growth. Then you have it for Economy, Battle… and then War Academy. Your false analogy falls apart, because it's simply not true that the rest of research Cumulatively, is far less than the last tier of research. "It's not your fault for thinking the longer-term research speed will be always better, but I do math to show you what is true or false." I don't think, I calculate. You make conclusions based on false analogies, false data, hence you arrive at a false conclusion. I make conclusions based on real info. Hint, you can look up all research times on whiteout wiki. You also didn't answer my question, which is more logical? A) Upgrade everything but research speed first, and then upgrade research speed last B) Upgrade ALL research speed first, then upgrade everything else Or in your case: C) Upgrade everything, and leave research speed because there's no point, even though there's nothing left to upgrade, and the devs will never add new research skills
@@Sheepy_WOS T7 Research lvl 1,2,3 - 80days (giving +1.8, +1.8, +2.5, total of +6.1%) Trainer tools - 188d Bandaging - 221d Ward Expansion - 30d Tooling up - 61d Camp Expansion - 61d T6 (last tier for Battle) Close combat - 79d Targeted Sniping - 197d Lance Upgrade - 197d Shield upgrade - 245d Marksman armor - 131d Lance armor - 131d So for your theory to be true, 80/6.1 *100 = 1,312 days So ONLY if the REST of the research is
@@spammemama I did my calculations based on real data and presented in this video. All problem requires assumptions to be answered. That's where our views deviated. You don't need to be angry at different views and assumptions. You made two assumptions (1) there will be more research added in the research centre (2) everyone will be playing this game for at least the next 6 years. I didn't make these assumptions. The reason I disagree with your assumptions is because currently it takes around 6 years for the research speed improvement to be beneficial. No one has played the game for that long, so no one has benefited from this research speed improvement yet, so it's impractical to assume everyone will eventually benefit from the final research improvement. Again, this is my assumption, that not everyone will play this game for 6 years. You are free to have different opinions non of us is correct. The question you have proposed didn't account into opportunity cost. Opportunity cost means the resource could have been spent invested into something else that would benefit us. Battle research is not just for PvP, it helps a player in polar terror, mercenary elite, Foundry/Canyon Battle etc. So the answer to the question you asked: A) Upgrade everything but research speed first, and then upgrade research speed last B) Upgrade ALL research speed first, then upgrade everything else Or in your case: C) Upgrade everything, and leave research speed because there's no point, even though there's nothing left to upgrade, and the devs will never add new research skills Is it depends on the assumptions.
@@spammemama answering your second comment, again you misunderstood the video and your calculation is actually mathematically wrong... you haven't figured out how to calculate the research time after applying research speed bonus, check out @3:35 I have the full work out
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Great work, we have a couple of guys in my alliance who do the math to some of this stuff to work out best value and ROI. This is one we hadnt gotten to yet, so thanks for that!
Keep up the work buddy, great content
Great video. Thank you for taking the time to make it
Love it, keep up the great work
Amazing content, keep it up 👍
Came from reddit, good stuff ☺️
I like your videos keep it up❤
Can you do one for troops and training them/ promoting them?
Researching battle skills is far more effective as a f2p player To even stay relevant in the game compared to the p2w. Not that f2p can ever compare to p2w. Its simply a psychological cash grab for century games.
Yea, unfortunately, p2w ruins a lot of the fun in these types of games. But a strategic f2p can beat small dolphins still.
What is p2f n p2w stand for?
@@RUclipsChannel-fu5yw F2P = Free to play, (those that don't spend money or very little money) P2W = Pay to Win (Those that spend money regularly and are usually the state whales that always on top of the leaderbords)
@@RUclipsChannel-fu5yw f2p = free to play players; p2w = pay to win players
@@Sheepy_WOS after see this video, I started to levelling only 1 of each research
Do you mean i should prioritize upgrading battle skills than growth skills if im f2p?
If t12 ever come out it will be very worth it
amazing
Maybe i missed it, but i dont think you talked about speed ups. If you research it as early as possible, you get more out of every speed up you use.
That is correct, I may not have addressed it clearly enough, the 5.5 years of break even I referred to is the waiting time + speedup.
Less musik louder talk would be grat. Other than that great Video!
Your video came 2 weeks too late 😅. I am like 1 week from completing it.
😂😂I gotta work faster for my next video!! Or... now you are committed to playing this game for the next 6 years, gotta get the worth out of it.
@@Sheepy_WOS haha, I saw your discord lots of information. I invited my other nerd friend. She likes all you guys are doing.
@@kof2 Awesome and welcome!
@@kof2
For F2P, yes, otherwise nope. Its essential for P2W since war labs
Makes 0 sense. Of course the final/last upgrades will have diminishing returns.... just like every other upgrade....
What would be the fastest way to upgrade EVERYTHING?
A) Upgrade everything but research speed first, and then upgrade research speed
B) Upgrade ALL research speed first, then upgrade everything else
Which would be faster?
Obviously B!
All upgrades have diminishing returns, what's the point of even mentioning it? It's only worth mentioning if say you intend to play the game for say a fixed amount of time, like 3 months, then quit. Then you can factor in diminishing returns.
If your final objective is the upgrade everything, it's a no brainer that research speed *must* be fully maxed and upgraded *first*
You have misunderstood the video. There is no reason to upgrade everything because research speed is useless after finishing all the research. I'll explain with an extreme analogy below:
- 1% increase in research speed cost 100 years to finish
- the rest of the research will take a total of 10 minutes to finish
Plan:
A) invest 100 years to improve the research speed by 1% first so that the rest of the research will take a total of 5 seconds faster, and you will now finish EVERYTHING.
B) invest straight into the rest of the research with 10 minutes and skip the research speed improvement, because it's useless anyway.
This is the case for this final research speed, it is almost never beneficial regardless of how long you play the game. It's not your fault for thinking the longer-term research speed will be always better, but I do math to show you what is true or false.
@@Sheepy_WOS "research speed is useless after finishing all the research"
That assumes there will be no more new research skills added to the game.
"extreme analogy below:
- 1% increase in research speed cost 100 years to finish
- the rest of the research will take a total of 10 minutes to finish"
Your analogy is wrong, because the rest of research far exceeds the time taken to complete that 1% increase in research speed, in reality.
If anything, it's the opposite!:
-1% increase in research speed will take a total of 10mins to finish
-the rest of research will take 100 years
Would your analogy still work? Think. Your assumption, your analogy is wrong, so how can your conclusion be correct??
Let's use real values, T7 research lvl 1,2,3 would cumulatively cost a total of 80days. That's just one branch of T7.
Trainer tools T7, total of 1,2,3 would cumulatively cost a total of 188days.. And there are 4 other T7s, and that's just in Growth.
Then you have it for Economy, Battle… and then War Academy. Your false analogy falls apart, because it's simply not true that the rest of research Cumulatively, is far less than the last tier of research.
"It's not your fault for thinking the longer-term research speed will be always better, but I do math to show you what is true or false."
I don't think, I calculate.
You make conclusions based on false analogies, false data, hence you arrive at a false conclusion.
I make conclusions based on real info. Hint, you can look up all research times on whiteout wiki.
You also didn't answer my question, which is more logical?
A) Upgrade everything but research speed first, and then upgrade research speed last
B) Upgrade ALL research speed first, then upgrade everything else
Or in your case:
C) Upgrade everything, and leave research speed because there's no point, even though there's nothing left to upgrade, and the devs will never add new research skills
@@Sheepy_WOS T7
Research lvl 1,2,3 - 80days (giving +1.8, +1.8, +2.5, total of +6.1%)
Trainer tools - 188d
Bandaging - 221d
Ward Expansion - 30d
Tooling up - 61d
Camp Expansion - 61d
T6 (last tier for Battle)
Close combat - 79d
Targeted Sniping - 197d
Lance Upgrade - 197d
Shield upgrade - 245d
Marksman armor - 131d
Lance armor - 131d
So for your theory to be true, 80/6.1 *100 = 1,312 days
So ONLY if the REST of the research is
@@spammemama I did my calculations based on real data and presented in this video. All problem requires assumptions to be answered. That's where our views deviated. You don't need to be angry at different views and assumptions.
You made two assumptions (1) there will be more research added in the research centre (2) everyone will be playing this game for at least the next 6 years. I didn't make these assumptions.
The reason I disagree with your assumptions is because currently it takes around 6 years for the research speed improvement to be beneficial. No one has played the game for that long, so no one has benefited from this research speed improvement yet, so it's impractical to assume everyone will eventually benefit from the final research improvement.
Again, this is my assumption, that not everyone will play this game for 6 years. You are free to have different opinions non of us is correct.
The question you have proposed didn't account into opportunity cost. Opportunity cost means the resource could have been spent invested into something else that would benefit us. Battle research is not just for PvP, it helps a player in polar terror, mercenary elite, Foundry/Canyon Battle etc.
So the answer to the question you asked:
A) Upgrade everything but research speed first, and then upgrade research speed last
B) Upgrade ALL research speed first, then upgrade everything else
Or in your case:
C) Upgrade everything, and leave research speed because there's no point, even though there's nothing left to upgrade, and the devs will never add new research skills
Is it depends on the assumptions.
@@spammemama answering your second comment, again you misunderstood the video and your calculation is actually mathematically wrong... you haven't figured out how to calculate the research time after applying research speed bonus, check out @3:35 I have the full work out
Your skills are at wrong place buddy 😅😢😂