Vintage Gibson vs USA Standard, Is Vintage Really Better?
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- We’re back with another Vintage vs Modern comparison! What's in the hot seat today? Well we’ve dusted off John’s original ’67 Gibson SG and decided to put it to the test against a stock Gibson USA ’61 SG Maestro! Which will come out on top?
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That darkened cherry finish is subliiiiiime 😍
Have to say this is cool but for me the real SG action is with the SG Specials with the P90s. I have a 1965 SG Special and it’s my main guitar. It’s light, plays beautifully easily and sounds amazing. When rolled back it can sound silvery and snappy like a Tele and fully wound up it’s a rock beast. Ask Pete Townshend.
i have a 67 special and i agree 100%
Three words：Live At Leeds 👌😉
Got a VOS 64 special and it is the nicest p90 guitar I have ever had. Such a great platform for p90s. You don’t get the mud of a les Paul.
Yes, SG Gibsons are awesome classic rock guitars. I have a 2004 brown worn out faded with a thick 50's neck . Bare bones , it needed a serious fret job. Bought it new for $ 550.00 , put a manlius modern vintage in the bridge with a air classic in the neck. The guitar sings like a big fat opera lady and roars thru my granger GNR #36 . 👍 , peach guitars always does a fantastic job demoing these great instruments.
Is the neck crazy narrow? That is my issue…
Love SG’s, I think they’re oft overlooked for their incredible versatility, I’ve been using my Special Faded (heavily pimped) since I bought it new in ‘07 for just about every genre and style of playing, awesome guitars, comfortable to play and unparalleled fret access.
I have a Limited edition SG Standard and couldn't stand the neck dive. Easy as hell the play when compensated by sitting
@@benink5690 yeah that’s fair, and I think the neck dive is a bit much when sitting for a few hours, but I screwed a Bigsby B5 onto mine which compensates for that quite nicely.
How versatile could they be if they’re almost always used for hard rock and once in a while blues?
@@BOOLsheet volume and tone controls
The ‘67 looks exactly like my old SG Standard that I bought new in late ‘67. It was the best guitar I’d had up to that point. I remember being disappointed that the neck was narrower and clubbier than the ‘61 with a wide flat neck that the store owner had. It had a Bigsby on it too-mine had the standard Lyre Vibrola. The store owner wanted over twice the price of a new one, cash only; it had been his personal guitar when he was a pro musician. At 17 years old, there was no way I could cough up that kind of cash, so with my trade-in, plus money I’d saved up plus some help from my dad, I was able to get the new SG. The store owner even threw in the case! $317.50 was the list price in those days. If I had my choice of either of those SGs in the video, I’d take the new one. My ‘67 wouldn’t stay in tune-used to drive me crazy! In 1970 I asked a friend of mine to refinish it, shave down the neck a bit, replace the Vibrola with a stop tailpice, and change out the Kluson tuners for Grover pearloid-button Rotomatics. He ruined the poor SG, and I wound up trading it straight across for a beat-but-stock ‘62 Strat. Wish I still had that one too!
Great video - this series is so interesting! Also, not sure if you’re aware, but there is some weird doubling effect on the audio of John’s voice from around the 2:00 mark
Just the room mic picking up his voice ... That and his lavalier mic 🎤
I enjoy John's candour regarding modern vs vintage guitars in these videos. I have some 45 - 54 year old guitars and have owned several others in the past, and I absolutely love them, but you really need to have solid, reliable, perfectly setup guitars at your disposal as well. Get the wrong weather and all three of my current vintage collection can be frustratingly finicky for days. That's when I just take a deep breath and pick up my solid as a rock 2018 Telecaster.
Like the video format. Maybe more playing next time. Have to say both sounded good, but SGs are some of the most vintage dependent for looks. The old ones look so good with the patina and the color change.
Oh my GAWD! That tone on that vintage came in with so much beautiful fuzz. I wanted to live in that tone. …bask in it.
Great video! Just recently got the exact same new SG Standard and man is it excellent! So much fun to play!
I owned a '67 SG Standard and played it exclusively for over 20 years. Best damn guitar I ever had. Shame I sold it 19 years ago. I recently bought the '61 SG Standard, exactly as the one in the video above. Can't really compare to the '67 in my opinion. But both are great SGs and sound awesome. Can't go wrong with either model.
"It's gotta have some fight in it...that's where the tone is"
"It does kind of remind you of what you had for breakfast, doesn't it?"
Jack, you're a genius, one of a kind...great vid!
I’m one of the guys who bought a ‘67 SG Standard new. I guess now they’ve got that vintage mystique plus 50+ years of aging, but at the time I was aware that it didn’t feel as good as the ‘61-‘65 ones with wider necks. Although decades later I got a ‘65 that had the narrow neck-must have been a late ‘65! I much prefer the wider neck, but beggars can’t be choosers-as a high school student in 1967, I was lucky to be able to buy that new SG, with some help from my dad! It was $317.50 as I recall, and the owner of the store threw in the case. He also had his own personal SG Standard that he’d played as a professional on the road-an early-‘60s one with a Bigsby-but he wouldn’t take less than $500 for it, and that was way out of my price range. Playing it was how I knew that the early ones were better. But I played that ‘67 for several years, unfortunately I took it to a guy to have it refinished in about 1970, and he basically ruined it-but I wound up trading it for a 1962 Strat! Those were the days…!
Great video, I really enjoyed it. It''s clear that there is love for both these guitars (and what they represent) from the guys.
Great video as usual and stunning playing! I just wanted to point out that there was something strange in the voice audio (some sort of reflection) expecially when John was speaking
ha ! I’m really impressed that they picked up on that “edge of explosion” quality to those ‘67 pick ups !
I own a ‘68 335 and that’s exactly right (and it’s the thing I most love about my guitar) , that , at volume particularly , you feel that you are always on the edge of disaster ! it’s very very inspiring …
people lose their minds over PAFs but I’ve always felt that the patent sticker t-tops were just as good , just a little different …
I have 2 excellent 1960s sg's and 2 fairly new standard production sg's. It is immediately obvious that the wood on the old ones is denser thus making them heavier. I don't think old ones sound better, maybe a little different but that is fine with me. I love my newer ones and can relax all night when i take them out for a gig.
My old '67 Standard was as good as it gets for me. I've not played or owned a better SG since. Wish I could find another one now. Just about impossible to come by in great condition these days.
I’ve got a later 70-71 SG standard among other vintage pieces and they all sound great but not necessarily better than a new model. The thing with vintage gear, be it guitars, amps or pedals, is that these were tools that we re used when guitars and rock were king. We really are just caretakers for pieces of history; and a time in music which will never happen again; and I feel privileged to be able to help bring these pieces through time and continue to make cool music with them
Love it “don’t want something to easy otherwise I’d start playing like a plonker” more truthful words haven’t been said!!! Legend
My VOS 64 special plays, feels and sounds like a vintage SG.
Gibson absolutely nail it sometimes.
Of course, it has all the same instability issues that the originals had. So I am gonna have to change out the hardware if I want it to play nice…but the tone is undeniable.
I’ve got a 2021 64’ RI VOS as well. You’re right! Gibson nailed it on this one. Mine has the Meastro Vibrola. It stays in perfect tune, as long as I keep the strings fresh. My only beef is the the tremolo arm does not rotate 360 degrees. It bumps into the volume/tone knobs. So I cannot put the arm back 180 degrees to get it out of the way.
I was told by Gibson this is normal… and to true spec. It’s the only one I’ve ever seen this way though.
@@tfrost33elkhunter This is not normal, it means the vibrola has a wrong angle. My dealer sent my guitar to a Gibson service point and they fixed it for free (on a USA model).
@@timh7180 I sent mine back to Gibson directly and they are the ones who sent it back saying it was good and how it is suppose to be. I actually sold the guitar a little while back now. Gibson told me they could put a different one on there but that it would no longer be a 64’ spec. Their exact words. I found that interesting since my buddy has the exact same guitar and his was “normal”. Meaning you could rotate the arm bar 360 degrees with it hanging up on anything.
@@tfrost33elkhunter I love SG's with a Vibrola, but they can be a real nightmare. I hope you have more luck in the future.
@@timh7180 ditto!
Love the videos, just the audio seems wonky. Bit of a weird mic sound on the owner (don’t remember his name).
had a buddy who owned a early to mid 70s SG, he was always bragging about but in my hands that thing had a tiny toothpick neck. It was unplayable for me and honestly it was the instant AC/DC Angus tone, I mean if you like AC/DC that much I guess that's it. But my modern 07 SG Standard had a much better feeling neck, wider and more filling in the hand with enough room to shred or slide or quick chord changes. Plus I had seymour duncans in it so it didn't just sound like "the AC/DC" tone but I could do everything from Jimmy Page to BOC or Paul Kossoff's Free era tone
Hard to say without playing, I think I’d go with the 61 reissue
When the nut width changed in late 1965, that also turned off a lot of players to the later 60's guitars
Great video! I absolutely love SGs and these both rocked!
My son has two Pelham blue sgs.... One recent.. One 71 or 72..... Both great but the 71/72 with one pickup and one piece bridge is perfection..... Turn it down and there's an acoustic resonance to it but through a hiwatt half stack...... I said.... Through a hiwatt... Etc!!! Very Townshend..... Or Angus.....
Both awesome guitars!
Loved the clip. Great to see these comparisons. Personally, I'd go with the 67. I've got a 2014 Standard thats taken a long time to get playing and (mostly) sounding the way I want. So I'm covered for the modern guitar. Why not go vintage?
Just a question, how can you get one of this SG real vintage? Like how much can it cost? Its amazing, let me know please :)
I feel all my vintage guitars have the best playability, no fret buzz and best sound. My modern ones have some fret buzz even after being set up. Just a quality thing. Most things were made better back in the day like cars, houses, guitars, clothing
SG so underrated love my SG what’s good enough for Angus is good enough for me!🎸
I Have a 69' Sg, killer guitar! And the neck men, just a chunky boiiiiiii
That’s my old ‘67 SG, a great guitar :)
I hate to say it 'cause it is tone snobbery, but the vintage SG smoked the stock one. Big time actually.
My gothic sg has been my main on stage guitar since 2004
Sad thing is, Gibson still cant do QC, received the SG 61 Vibrola, when you turn down the tone nob of the neck pickup to zero, the sound dies. What else do I have to expect in a few weeks or months, if I keep it?
I have an SG Standard, bat wing, no tremolo. Can I put a vintage looking tremolo on it?
I would put a 2021 Epiphone Modern Figured Sg up against both these Gibson's anyday and all day long
me too. I have One On Order that I am waiting for a, = Epiphone reissue 61 s.g. with maestro vibrola. I have a few guitars with those Epiphone pro bucker 2 and probucker 3 pickups aND I HAVE 2 EPI E.S. 339'S WITH THE ALNICO 5 VERSION OF THE Paf'S LIKE GIBSONS CLASSIC 57 PICKUPS AND I GHOT T O SAY THE EPIPHONES SOUND GRERAT AND I HAVE A 2007 SPECIAL ORDER GIBSON jO NNY a THE CUSTOM ONE IN GOLD WITH THE GOLD BIGSBY AND CLASSIC 57 PICKUPS AND I HAV ETO COMPARE IT ALL TO A ORIGINAL 1962 GIBSON L-5 C.E.S.= CUSTOM ELECRTRIC SERIES, = BASICALLY THE TOP OF THE LINE EXCEPT FOR THE SUPER RARE GIBSON SUPER 400 JUST LIKE A L-5 EXCEPT BIGGER IN 4EVERY DIRECTION. EITHER WAY THOSE PICKUPS ARE THE REAL DEAL THE REAL P.A.F. STICKERS ARE ON THE BACK OF THE PICKUPS AND THAT IS MY BEST SOUNDING GUITAT LIKE A OLD FRIEND said to me years ago = Mike if you take y ouer amazing LP[INE WHITE 1974 LES PAUL CUSTOM AND 5TAKE THE PICKUPS AND WIRE HARNESS FROM YOU 1962 L-5 AND PU T IT IN YOUR lES PUL CU STOM THE LAST OF THE FRETLESS WONDERS WITH THE MOSR AMAZING NECK MUCH BETTER THA THE RANDY RHODES GUITAR WAS FRO YOUR IS JUST A BETT NECK Y OU LUCKED OUT BUT YOU OWN IT ANYWAY YOUR GUITAR WOULD BE LIKE THOS OLD 58 /59 60 lES pAULS LIKE CLAPTONS OR THE LED ZEPLIN BOY OR THE AMAZING PETEER GREEN OR ALL OF ERICL CLAPTONS OLD GIBSONS OR LES PAULS ETC. EITHER WAY I DO often t hink about it for I would love to see just how my amazing Les Paul wo uld sound burt then I thin k no it is better to up the road be able to say this guitar is not only all original it has never been touched or scred with messing and change pickups and even putting them back would = in my opinion you messes with it. therefore leave it alone although I would love to hear it with those real P.A.F. pickups maybe i should and never say a word but no leav e it alone or make t he change and sell it for like 40,000.00 . Ehh I figure by the time i go to sell i will not take a penny less than at this point in time = 12/22/2023 than $27,000.00 . I see all these Alpine White Les Paul custom Last of the Fretless Wonders =1974 Les Pauls = Sort of like mine but mine is super clean in comparison = + = Plus = just Super clean, Like frickin mint condition and it is the best Les Paul not only me but anyone that ever touched it said and there have be en people like even ='Sir" = '"Joe" "Bonamassa" while at "My" house buying My 1966 Gibson Special order Custom Color All Original = Gibson Byrdland, = Joe even said wow yea this is A Good one but I only at "that time" "buy old vintage gibsons" or "basically old vintage guitars". he checked out my old 62 Gibson L-5 and we agreed he said at the time he had about 15 guitars with REAL Vintage Gibson P.A.F. Pickups and I had only the one and I was keeping her with my and his blessings going forward I think he also wanted my all original 1956 Fender Stratocaster but it was and still is not for sale Especially for to me Ridiculous Give Away Joe Bonamassa Prices No Offence but get Real I owned this amazing guitar since 1983 I am not going to just give away to Joe And that is what it felt like with the offer he made me I quickly said No and put her and my other amazing beauties back in their prospective cases and called it a day he did get, = my 1966 gibson byrdland at a steal of a deal I will leave it there. no offense no problem just he got an Amazing price from me which I hope he Never forgets, = a better price than Norman from norm's rare guoitars would have ever given him his nephew as they call each other but tha t is cool no problem at least I can say he got an amazing deal from me and that to me Is Worth Every Penny = God bless Him and Yan Can Cook, = I do want to jam with him one day though & do "Further On Up The Road" and preferably on stage live with Joe and a GREAT =Band behind us and a great live crowd. . I need to start Making those calls to pursue this, that is what his mgr. friend told me to do. and he said Joe's word is Good as Gold = I just must be the one to pursue it. cool, = like 6 or 7 years later = Moving on. I Hope the New Epiphone S.G.. I ordered is a good one. = thanks, Lord and everyone else involved Bless yall"" be safe and stay healthy' too. happy Christmas and new years 2024.. Cool oh yea P.s. by the wat after meeting Joe at my house and making that sale I decided i had to have at that time the brand new epiphone amos I bought it and am super happy those pro buckers to me sound great flat out great and I had alread y a few years back had bought a Epi Dot Deluxe with an amazing flame maple top as close to what i could ever get for a 1958 Gibson 335 dot neck and the person I bought it from was kind enough to buy and have guitar center installed for me Gibson Classic 1957 Pickups another Reason I Have all these killer Guitars to do these Comparisons with, then in Around 2013 I bought 2 Epi's which were 2 = E.S. 339's a natural and a cherry red one also with those Great little killer Pickups, I think those are the alnico 5, ones of the P.A.F. series, of these little guys and also, a 12013 Wild Kat with a flame maple top and p-90's and a Casino spells Beatles Sounds like big time and a 2014 Epi Casino Coupe =Oh My God = = = Talk " "About" a "killer guitar" and it weighs like Nothing and is completely hollow and it it has those Great p-90's I JUST LOVE THAT LITTLE FUCKER and i unlike the casi no it has complete access to all 22 frets with the same neck carve as the old 62 casino = big rounded C shape at least mine is the same I love that casino coupe t he casino too but the couple like a million times more. yeppers............. I am telling you that is a amazing Great guitar and completely hollow so a great control feedback machine no wonder it is paul McCartney's favorite electric guitar = period.....=Also = Don't = forget my epi Lucille for what, = 5 or 6 times less than the Gibson Version which I have done a demo side by side before I bought it no comparison I made the proper correct right choice, = for the price, I bought the, Epi Lucile plus I do own another 9 or 10 amazing Gibsons , my 62 L-% my 92 Custom shop byrdland my 2007 special order johnny A custom, my 2012 Midtown Kalamazoo, my 2011 Melody maker special my 74 Les Paul custom my fretless wonder my first great guitar as an 18 year old kid back in 1974...=== what ever there are a few moiré though, = Gibsons that I own plus all my Fenders = plus what 9 Clapton Strats and and an amazing 2006 American Buddy Guy which is a Clapton guitar same electronics and preamp however it has that gorgeous Ash wood and a gorgeous 2 Tone Sunburst finish instead of just an alder body with a sold paint color. it is amazing a little fatter pointier fat V Shape Neck which I love, like the first Clapton's were back in 1989 =Fatter Hard V Neck. i loved those first ones that came out wish I bought 10 of them instead of only 2 then 1 every few years as I could afford them.. oh yea plus I have 3 Custom Shop Fender Telecasters and a few other suprise guitars like a kille private stock P.R.S. guitars with 10 tops the american one one private stock hollow body II's yea a kilter collection one might say but i got also say these little epiphones for the price are good butys ion my little humble opinio. and bear in mind I do take my high dollar guitars to the gig never been afraid to do that at all . just being completely honest on everything here. that is why I am also watching these reviews on the S,.G. comparison studies. moving forward =P.s. I also own 156 killer old tube amps most all of the Fenders have the J.B.L. D seriEs speakers so again the best of the best like my1961 white blonde Showman with a j.b.l d 130 or my 1969 Fender dUAL SHOWMAN with 2 J.B.L. D140's and everything in between from Fender 1954 or so champs tiny and then a 1966 Princeton reverb size to those showmans and everything in between = cool as cool can be, = a lifetime Achievement, = it was not over night = No way it took, over 50 years, to obtain and own all this great killer gear, now who wants to be an aire to my Thrown = I don't have any kids..Hmm = ......... just the Reality == Be that as it may.. back to the S.G.=== and subject on hand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cool = Enjoy = People Stay Safe & Healthy & Keep Playing & Loving the music. = M.g.
Big difference in colour. I want an SG but it's hard finding one with nice dark cherry colour. Not a fan of the bright red
the new cherry color on the USA models is way too bright. The 64' custom ship reissue is much darker and looks better to me. I got a kirk douglas sg custom from 2013 and it has a really nice dark wine red finish
Hi. Pros and cons on sideways Vibrola vs sideways Vibrola? Regards from Norway
I'll stick to my "vintage" '94 Gibson SG Standard 100th Anniversary. It's a workhorse and never lets me down. Stays in tune as well. Neck dive? Nope = wide strap, problem solved.
Modern guitars are more consistent so the ball park of good and bad is close tg. Vintege are handmade so when its good it’s unbelievable but when its bad its trash. And having been played over decades they morph and change shape too on top of being delicate. Its not ideal to use a vintage guitar like a modern one but in the studio is where its ideal. Remember this, when clapton played on the beano album his guitar was around 5-6 yrs old, not almost 70. You can always get unpotted paf pickups and drop them in if u rly want that sound.
18:50 All pickups are machine wound. All of them. There are fine details on a pickup that MUST be done by hand regardless of who made them or how cheap/expensive they are but absolutely no pickups are wound by hand. And the open/airy sound that a vintage PAF style pickup gives you vs a modern one comes down to one detail: vintage ones are not wax potted. Far too much is made of tone woods and the type of glue used - you know, the stuff that costs huge sums of money on custom shop guitars - but whether or not a pickup is wax potted makes a very significant difference in the tone and is almost never mentioned
Wow I was expecting the vintage SG to destroy the modern one but it just sounded shrill & gutless by comparison. I don't believe I've ever heard an SG sound so castrated before, what happened to its balls?!?
good question are they in a jar? with Joe Bidden's? just a joke but perhaps a good one...
Anyone know the name of the color the original sg has in the vid!
So much more character in the - 67
The custom shop 1 piece body is a lot better. SG platform is too thin for a 2 piece body.
That lad could play a tennis racket and sell it. What track is this???
the new sg seems better than the 67
Les paul next?
Vos sg necks are so flat and wide, its just awful in my opinion to play. They do sound amazing though! Just not fun to play all the time. The new sg original series have round C necks that feel amazing and consistent. Nashville studs fit with abr one and small inserts looks great. But add Tone pro bridge and cap upgrade and your really close to that vintage tone! Dont forget tone knob pointers. Original series dont include those either. Also the nut is not bone, so change that and your good. Upgrades about 100$ ive owned 4 vos 61 sgs sold them all . Got a 2020 couldnt be happier. I payed 1000$ us for mine. You can get one for 1500$ all day. If you want a killer neck go Original series, you wont be disapointed.
Are these guys brothers?
Brendan Fraser is pretty good guitar player
why do i feel like im watching spinal tap
Put that Gibson Standard Sg up Against a Epiphone Modern Figured Sg let's see how good that Gibson really is I'll bet the Epiphone literally Smokes the Gibson
John, please sell me that guitar.
Your videos were FAR better when there was more playing and less talking! I want to hear the guitars on video because I can read about them in print!
SG sounds nice but neck heavy !
He plays like Clapton more than Clapton does.
The 2019 Epiphone exclusive deluxe limited Run g400 Sg and the Epiphone Custom Modern and prophecy Models smoke Gibson..ditch Gibson buy Epiphone everyone else is that's for sure
At least they're admitting that the vintage SG sucks & even a plek set-up wouldn't change it. It looks awesome but it sounds f terrible & I doubt any serious musician or songwriter would waste their money on it. It's just a glorified ornament now & it's probably hanging on a collector's wall somewhere.
It's definitely got it's own thing going on that's for sure, the modern one is for sure the more usable of the 2 as it stands though!
You're right about it being on a wall, but it's on our wall as part of the Peach Guitars Collection!
@@PeachGuitars you guys have my respect for making this video because no other company would be so open & honest about a vintage instrument. I now know a modern SG is for me & knowing you could set it up the way I'd like is ideal. Also, it'd be cool to see you guys rock out some more because I can tell you're both playing at maybe 50% power for an older audience. Not everyone into Gibson's is from last century