Man, I just remembered hanging out with a buddy of mine at Big Boy making top ten lists for favorite all time movies. We agreed to make an extra slot at 8 1/2. Feels like a lifetime ago.
J. David, ah yes, good old rule _852: Whenever you make a video _*_about_*_ breaking rules, make sure the video _*_itself_*_ breaks a rule._ Yeah, they decided to break that rule.
It's a movie version of a series of plastic toys that had a made up fictional world in marketing media more than a decade ago. I guess the movies are for young people immersed in that universe in their childhoods, assuming those are now old enough to enjoy the non-children elements added. Note: I never watched the movies or the original stuff, just saw it existed and was told about it.
@@thatahamoment497 IMHO it's too hermetic, too personal. You literally have to know a lot of things about the private life of the director to be able to make any sense of it. But it does have the best ending of all time.
I would put money on it being that the first half (pre zombie) was the film (it works on its own and resolves the setup as they get over the border), but then they realise they only have 50 minutes of film - so hey lets throw in a zombie massacre!
I love that Ceniefix, although being an American channel, isn't so focused on american movie making as any other movie channel from the US, that they see that good movies can be made outside of the states and gives credit where credit is due.
that seems to be classic behaviour of americans ost of the time anyway. remaining completely ignorant of the entire world, yet calling the usa and its products the greatest.
*Interviewer:* "But surely, monsieur Godard, you at least believe a film should have a beginning, middle and end?" *Godard:* "Yes, but not necessarily in that order."
@stellvia hoenheim Godard - Sorry my friend, but thinking that what I say is something that is being done just for the sake of it..... that's retarded. Godard punches right back at the interviewer
Honorable mentions: Love Exposure, M Butterfly, Angel's Egg, Mulholland Drive, Avalon, Monsieur Verdoux, An Elephant Sitting Still, Three Colours: Red, The Cook the Thief His Wife and Her Lover.
+CineFix May I ask who does? They do an excellent job. I always assumed it was a collaborative democratic thing with the whole team but you make it sound like it's one person.
Man, I always thought I was a pretty big film buff, but watching this and seeing almost every entry going to a movie I've never even heard of shows me how much there is that I haven't yet seen.
These (mostly) are movies you would not want to see or could not sit through all the way. They're Art films with a capital A. Not even meant to be entertaining.
She's in the top 5 at least.......though cult actresses is a stiff competition. There are plenty that never made a normal movie in their life - of if they did - the normal one was the odd one out. Any cult movie worth it's salt breaks three or four rules at a time. Hitchcock, Miike, Von Trier, Argento, Russell, Lynch, Godard, Antonioni, Resnais, they all obliterate(d) film rules film by film.
I went to see Dogville in the cinema and I've never seen so many people leave in the first 15 minutes of a movie in all my years. It's also one of the only film I've ever seen being awarded applause at the end. They shoulda stayed.
Funnily enough, I had exactly the same experience with Terry Gilliam's "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" - I've never seen so many people get up and leave during a film, but those that stayed gave it a standing ovation at the end ... and this was in the UK where cinema audiences don't usually do that sort of thing :)
surpised you guys didn't mention the Iranian New Wave in this. Abbas Kiarostami, Jafar Panahi, and Mohsen Makhmalbaf specifically. Their films were dramatized but many of the "actors" went off script and began doing things that were never intended to be filmed, switching the drama into a documentary. Also incredibly interesting that they would cast the actual people involved in the dramatized situation as themselves and they reacted in their own way of perceiving the story of their lives.
The Italian neo-realism has been doing that style ages ago. But I have to agree on the current renaissance of Iran’s film industry not just Iran but also South Korea and Lebanon
Great choices, but I have to give a shout out for Persona, and not just because it's my favourite film of all time but because the way Bergman literally broke the film in order to create the impression of a fractured mind and melding personalities as well as his bizarre montages and multiple layers of symbolism broke just about every rule there was. I feel like Synechdoche, New York would have been a good choice as well. I'm not even a massive fan of that movie put the massive amount of layers Kaufman wove into that story, it's take on art and death as well as the way it perceived reality and dreams was truly rule breaking.
Agreed! Persona is an obvious choice; it broke so many rules: the interrupted film, the repetition of a scene, discontinuities of sound and image, the introductory scene with a boy who has nothing to do with the rest of the film. Should I go on?
I have always felt that the lack of set in Dogville was a device to further the narrative that this is about human nature... not a specific story happening in a specific place.
Personally, I would've had 2001 in the #1 slot. It trashed almost every rule in the book, including having no dialogue for the first 40 minutes, jumping forward 3 million years with an associative edit, having no main human characters, making space travel super boring--until the arrival of the Stargate. Which turns it into the Most Expensive Experimental Movie ever made. And a totally mindfuck ending to top all MF endings. And people are still arguing about WTF it means.
@daniel letterman 'evolving to extinction', say what?? The monolith taught one group how to use tools and that's how they gained a superior role at the waterhole. Using tools brings dexterity which leads to greater tool use...…. Then we show up in the evolutionary chain. We all know the story, it's plain to see. Maybe what you don't know is 2001 was written after the movie, maybe look into that.
@@carlosfandango2419 You should just go watch soap operas if all you're really looking for is an A/V representation of conventional storytelling. 2001 has an unclear plot? A muddled narration or an overly clinical one? The hell does that matter? It's a movie, not a fairytale.
In terms of Cinematography, Mirror has to be the greatest movie of all time. Almost every scene from that film could be turned into a painting. "The Burning House" is the most beautiful shot I have ever seen in a movie 💙
Mirror has that "WoW" effect on almost every frame of the movie. Its poetry made cinema. i would love to see some day a film directed by Tarkovsky, Lars Von Trier and Mallick with Lubezki in the art direction photography.
This is one of those lists where I have seen almost none of the films listed but now I really want to. Thanks Cinefix, for bringing some awesome stuff to our attention.
Mulholland Dr. where for the entire first half of the film, we are given a story, characters, and information and, then, in the second half, the first half is completely thrown out the window and the characters and information that we were given has changed.
I am agree with Culprit. It is not "completely thrown out of the window", the second part of the film it is placed before the events of the first part, the tricky thing is that Naomi Watts interpret two different characters, and the joke about the pool and the pool cleaner, really get to accomplish the goal of confuse the audience. But as it is said in the film: "No hay banda". It must have been included in the list.
Glad to see "Last Year at Marienbad" on the list. I was 18 when I first saw it, and it influenced forever the way I looked at films.Hitchcock had previously done the same disorienting effect he used in "Psycho" with "Vertigo", which is my favourite film of all time.
To this day, I can't understand Last Year at Marienbad, and I think that's the point. It's such a unique story, and one that almost defies categorization.
The Marx Brothers seemed to always break the rules in their paramount movies. When watching them it feels like the four of them where miscast in a serious movie and are wrecking it from the inside, with people going along with it.
And funny enough, Robert Rodriguez got the idea for Dusk till Dawn, from watching Predator. And seeing how Predator went from a military Action film to a Thriller.
Pretty good selection. Seen them all except for Tarantino's whom I stopped watching because of too much unnecessary violence. It's really hard to pick only one from Bunuel but it's hard not to include Phantom of Liberty. Two films that you have overlooked are: The Saragossa Manuscript (1965) and The Hourglass Sanatorium (1973) by Wojciech Has
FMJ was originally gonna have Psycho's protagonist twist. In the first cut, Joker was gonna be killed by Pyle and it would then switch to a G.I. already in 'Nam. Whilst that would have been interesting to see, the main theme of FMJ is the dehumanisation of the "Boy Next Door", and staying with the characters all through out achieves it's goal, in my opinion.
It took me quite some time before I have seen Psycho for the first time - and I must say, that I do find it massively overrated. None of the characters were in any way interesting, captivating or relatable to me. The story was… well… what story? It's a vessel for a jump-scare (or two) and a plot-twist towards the end. And the end… Well I don't know. Is it unmemorable, or am I getting old and forgot it? Maybe in its time the film did stand out, but today it does not compare favourably in my maybe not so humble opinion. I just had to think of Spike Lee's "Inside Man" - while from a different genre than Psycho, "Inside Man" makes Hitchock's Psycho look like a freshman film (and average at that).
Mach Tony a lot of old movies are dated today because they were awesome and groundbreaking on their time but since that the troopes and clichés were used to the death and made those movies not so impressive today. Of course if you dare to question those movies you are a disgrace in the eyes of many when in reality a great amount of movies are really hard to watch by today´s standarts. In the same way, a lot of movies in the present will be dated in the future; it´s a natural cycle.
No Country For Old Men basically does the Psycho twist with its ending. That's why it divided audiences. We were expecting a shootout, and got a totally different thesis.
Rule 1 of Making a Good Film: You do not have to rush wildly through the plot, filling every space, divot and hole with noise and dialogue to keep people interested.
Perhaps a "Top 10 Favourite Use of Music in Films" list? You can bring together the use of film scores, songs written for film that take off, theatre/opera's transition to films, etc.
Paprika really breaks all the reality rules, even thought it's already an Animated movie. I deserved as thought maybe :) good choices, I was just waiting for Buñel to show up :)
Seems criminal to have a list of important rule breakers and not make a little space for Robert Altman. The man was a rebel constantly flipping off established ideas about dialogue and genre.
How about the Hollywood film rule of: kids cannot be killed on screen. "Frankenstein" has that insane scene where the monster just tosses a kid in a pond and she drowns. If you go through horror movies throughout the last 80 years, there are very few movies that violate this rule.
Yes, it should have gottent an honorable mention at least. Antonioni's film is the mystery thriller in reverse. We're given the solution in the beginning, the rest is a mystery.
A little disappointed the "Fast Saga" didn't get a mention for their naming convention... or lack thereof. The Fast and the Furious (2001) 2 Fast 2 Furious (2003) The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift (2006) Fast & Furious (2009) Fast Five (2011) Fast & Furious 6 (2013) Furious 7 (2015) The Fate of the Furious (2017) F9 (2021)
WheresWallace4883 Ironically what ultimately lead to his death was him making Stalker, shooting in a place with such high levels of radiation gave him cancer, killing him by 1986. The commitment he showed to his work was astounding
@@foxybingo1112 The Chernobyl disaster was in 1986 whereas Stalker was released in 1979. And I thought Tarkovsky died of lung cancer. Anyways, still sad that he didn't get to make more films.
Great list, as always. Personally, I remember being truly shaken by the fourth wall breaks in Michael Haneke's Funny Games and in particular the remote control scene.
Intention doesn't matter. It's the perceived results of the viewing experience that matter. The viewer is not required to know every detail of the production. The fact Godard, at the time and being his first film, was willing to allow the technical problems to be shown is rule breaking already.
Stan Brakhage. You don't get too far away from breaking all the rules of filmmaking than not even using a camera. He made hundreds of films which did away with notions such as dialogue, text, narration, sound, actors, even the very use of photography. He would paint, scratch, even paste dead plant and insect matter onto clear leader film. The man made over 400 films in his life ranging from 3 minutes to 3 hours. No one film of his encapsulates all of his techniques better than his 78 minute opus Dog Star Man.
fangwulf ... Blazing Saddles did it first, and did it better. When it was done in Spaceballs, it seemed crudely tacked on as a cludgy plot device.In Blazing Saddles, it was a climax that literally was bigger than the world it was set in.
. . . I was agreeing with you. Nowhere did I mention Spaceballs (although I love the freaking movie). Or were you speaking of the addition of Holy Grail? Because honestly, I LIKED that the ending seemed crudely tacked on. It made the movie.
I have to agree. How can you top a movie in which towards the end, the main protagonists walk into a movie theater where non other than Blazing Saddles is being screened.
I've used that as an example of effective rule breaking. It's a treasure trove, including the way that none of the characters (except The Old Man From Scene 24 and Tim The Enchanter) do anything to advance the plot. Every scene save those two features the protagonists running against a stone wall.
@@mantistoboggan5171 And ends with an equally huge fourth-wall break, with the police showing up on location and abruptly shutting down the filming :) The first time I saw Holy Grail, even after everything that had gone before it that ending managed to leave me sitting there for several minutes going "Wait ... what?" Genius :)
What possible reason can there be for the dislikes. Not mentioning your favorite director? This was well done, thanks for the Mirror reference I shall check it out.
I agreed with many of your picks (those I have seen, of course, which is 5/10). One thing, though: "L' Année Dernière à Marienbad" breaks a helluva lot of rules indeed. I've watched it several times (I own it). But despite my most open-minded attempts, I have to confess that the price for being sooooo avant-garde and existentialist, the film is boring as hell no matter what. "It's like watching paint dry on the wall" was made to be a pun directed at Éric Rohmer, but it describes L'ADAM far better than any of Rohmer's films, which are favorites of mine....
Wait a minute, when it comes to breaking cinematic rules you just do a honorable mention for David lynch? In almost every Work he's done, there is rule breaking. Almost the entirety of Inland empire and Muholland Drive are a big 'fuck you' to the conventional Hollywood Cinema..
And "Jeanne Dielman..." was chosen in this year's edition of Sight and Sounds "greatest film of all time". I'm trying not to watch too many clips before investing the three-plus hours it apparently takes.
I wish i could give my thumbs up twice... a hundred times on cinefix. This list was just amazing. Beginning with my all time fav director Lars Von Trier and winning the pole my fav artistic director and film poet Tarkovsky. Kudos to Cinefix and plz keep doing lists like this. Godamn Watchmojo ppl must be so depressed right now.
“Viaggio in Italia”, “Stromboli”, “L’Avventura”, “La Strada”, “Amacord”, great Italian films that create their own narrative logic. Nicholas Roeg was as important as Tarantino in subverting our understanding of time in cinema. “Night of the Living Dead”, “Martin” and “The Texas Chainsaw Massacre” are genre films that are, in reality, each in a genre of one, the latter being, in my opinion, the most underrated film of any kind in the American canon.
Love your site! I’ve learned so much in terms of how to examine and inspect my favorite films and what story they are attempting to tell. I have a suggestion for a list. Top 20 beautiful Heroines. Not just judged by only beauty; but intelligence, charm, wit, humor, flirting, smile.
I remember the first time I watched _Psycho_ when I was a teenager, I kept thinking, "There's no way she's actually dead... surely she'll end up being Mother or surviving SOMEHOW..."
Dunkirk: a rule breaking war film. It intentionally doesnt allow the audience to have an emotional connection to any of the characters. You barely remember any of their names. Shows that the soldiers come and go. Doesnt glorify it. Shows it how it is. With the battle as the protagonist, I feel that it one of the most rule breaking film of modern cinema
If you liked Dunkirk, you should check out the Thin Red Line, by Terrence Mallick. It's about 3 hours long and jumps around from an endless amount characters that "come and go", exploring their different POV. And the film doesnt glorify war, it more so tries to explain it. But Dunkirk is probably my favorite Nolan and the Thin Red Line is a more slower and philosophical, for a lack of a better word, film.
I love "Tokyo Story", so glad that it's up on this list. Though you guys LOVE Tarkovsky. He's always at the top of your "serious" movie lists. And it's almost always "The Mirror". I really need to see him and his masterpiece now...
Sometimes the videos are featured on news sites, Yahoo, or other major media sites with language standards. It's their way of keeping the script they want while also enjoying the publicity if the video is used on one of those other sites. (Less likely to get it if unbleeped.)
Awesome list! I watched 'The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie' for the first time just last week and couldn't recommend it more. Embarrassingly, I still haven't delved into Tarkovsky because his films are so hard to find on DVD/Blu-Ray in Australia, so I eagerly await the opportunity to finally view all of his works, especially 'The Mirror'. Keep up the good stuff! Cheers.
I realise the internet offers such resources although I like to physically own movies. Probably seems like an ancient ideal to most but thats a whole other debate.
Love this list! I think my favorite rule-breaking incidents are the short, sweet, unexplained ones that come and go just as quickly. Funny Games, Medium Cool, and Computer Chess all spring to mind.
OK, enough French Cinema. I'm thinking you made this list to excuse some of your favorite films which just aren't any good. One problem I have with French Cinema (and there are many) is that the director will often INTENTIONALLY bore the audience. It's almost like they are saying, "I dare you to watch this whole thing." And just like New Yorkers automatically believe that anything in New York is the best in the world, the critics fawn all over the directors, and similarly, themselves. If you don't like it, then you suck, because you are not French enough. Um, yeah. Instead of actually trying to make a decent film, they just make a bad one and call it "art." And don't think that I'm a 'Murican idiot. I have no such problems with Italian, German, British, Czech, Korean, Japanese, Australian, Canadian, Spanish, or Turkish cinema. They are all distinct and a bit different, and I like that. But French Cinema? No, just no.
CineFix is *made* of "Top 10" lists. It's too bad a video list on rule-breaking wasn't a "Top 11" video.
Opportunity missed for sure!
Man, I just remembered hanging out with a buddy of mine at Big Boy making top ten lists for favorite all time movies. We agreed to make an extra slot at 8 1/2. Feels like a lifetime ago.
J. David, ah yes, good old rule _852: Whenever you make a video _*_about_*_ breaking rules, make sure the video _*_itself_*_ breaks a rule._ Yeah, they decided to break that rule.
@@bakedutah8411 Haha. Well saved there. You should be in Politics.
Or bill it as a Top 10 list and only have 2 entries, 1 book and 1 barnyard animal. And make 0 references to the weirdness
You forgot the Transformers saga. To this day I cannot understand its plot.
It's a movie version of a series of plastic toys that had a made up fictional world in marketing media more than a decade ago. I guess the movies are for young people immersed in that universe in their childhoods, assuming those are now old enough to enjoy the non-children elements added. Note: I never watched the movies or the original stuff, just saw it existed and was told about it.
😂
They are more than meets the eye.
Because there is none
me: "wait, why are they on the pyramids? WHAT IS GOING ON?"
"And topping our list of the top 10 westerns of all time is Tarkovsky's 'The Mirror', because it's just that good."
Njorl it’s a better pick than Star Wars
It is the best film ever
@@thatahamoment497 IMHO it's too hermetic, too personal. You literally have to know a lot of things about the private life of the director to be able to make any sense of it. But it does have the best ending of all time.
Cinefix: Now for our number one pick we’re going to take a look at the surrealist...
Me: Ah shit here we go again
@@AK-tw7uq There are probably many top 10 lists of Lollywood drivel. Why don't you head that way?
The best description of "From Dusk Till Dawn" I've ever heard is "it's like two completely different movies scotch-taped together in the middle."
It's two dudes giving each other a handie.
I would put money on it being that the first half (pre zombie) was the film (it works on its own and resolves the setup as they get over the border), but then they realise they only have 50 minutes of film - so hey lets throw in a zombie massacre!
You could say the exact same thing about parasite
Kinda like Full Metal Jacket
I feel so uncultured when they reference all these foreign films.
How lucky you are. You get to experience them for the first time!
@@thorn262 Exactly
@@thorn262brilliant way to put it
I have watch some foreign movies because i have always been interested in not only American movies
I think I saw a cut version of the Tarantino movie, there DEFINITELY was not a loaded crotch on the version I saw!! BOOM!
I love that Ceniefix, although being an American channel, isn't so focused on american movie making as any other movie channel from the US, that they see that good movies can be made outside of the states and gives credit where credit is due.
They also realize movies were made before 1990.
that seems to be classic behaviour of americans ost of the time anyway.
remaining completely ignorant of the entire world, yet calling the usa and its products the greatest.
I believe they are Canadian - I couldbe wrong
@William Tuttle lol joker isn't that great lol
@William Tuttle buddy you put 2001 space and joker in the same sentence.... Why??
*Interviewer:* "But surely, monsieur Godard, you at least believe a film should have a beginning, middle and end?"
*Godard:* "Yes, but not necessarily in that order."
"...and please don't call me Shirley".
Matt Redman yeah airplane references. always welcomed. always
@stellvia hoenheim
Godard - Sorry my friend, but thinking that what I say is something that is being done just for the sake of it..... that's retarded.
Godard punches right back at the interviewer
Anton K Godard was a huge influence on Tarantino!
@@55bueller exactly. I've noticed that too.
*Before video* "Fuck me up CineFix!"
*After video* Officially fucked up
This entire channel is merely a ruse to get me to buy The Mirror, isn't it.
Pretty much
Honorable mentions: Love Exposure, M Butterfly, Angel's Egg, Mulholland Drive, Avalon, Monsieur Verdoux, An Elephant Sitting Still, Three Colours: Red, The Cook the Thief His Wife and Her Lover.
Bless
Add Tetsuo the Iron Man
Love Exposure is AWESOME 👌
I didn't know I wanted to see so many films before CineFix!
OK I have to ask, which one of you guys likes the mirror so much? The movie is on like half of your lists! Is it Clint?! I bet it's Clint!
Clint is the narrator, but he's not the one who writes our Movie Lists.
+CineFix you don't tell me that
+CineFix May I ask who does? They do an excellent job. I always assumed it was a collaborative democratic thing with the whole team but you make it sound like it's one person.
Because is the best film ever :)
+Andres Gtz lol.. Right.
Man, I always thought I was a pretty big film buff, but watching this and seeing almost every entry going to a movie I've never even heard of shows me how much there is that I haven't yet seen.
me too
Same here, and every single time I got to watch one of them, they're invariably awesome
sameeee
These (mostly) are movies you would not want to see or could not sit through all the way. They're Art films with a capital A. Not even meant to be entertaining.
These are all well known films lol you're not a film buff just cuz u saw pulp fiction and taxi driver
Wow, Delphine Seyrig is in #2, #3 AND #4! Could she be the most rule-breaking female actress of all time? ;)
She's in the top 5 at least.......though cult actresses is a stiff competition. There are plenty that never made a normal movie in their life - of if they did - the normal one was the odd one out. Any cult movie worth it's salt breaks three or four rules at a time. Hitchcock, Miike, Von Trier, Argento, Russell, Lynch, Godard, Antonioni, Resnais, they all obliterate(d) film rules film by film.
Jeanne Dielman is almost four hours of nothing, but I have to admit I was fascinated the entire time.
I went to see Dogville in the cinema and I've never seen so many people leave in the first 15 minutes of a movie in all my years.
It's also one of the only film I've ever seen being awarded applause at the end.
They shoulda stayed.
Funnily enough, I had exactly the same experience with Terry Gilliam's "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" - I've never seen so many people get up and leave during a film, but those that stayed gave it a standing ovation at the end ... and this was in the UK where cinema audiences don't usually do that sort of thing :)
because Dogville is so stark. it's hard to adjust to it
@@blatherskite3009 😎
That movie about the people trying to eat is just like dreams I've had.
I would love to see Cinefix guys fight in screen junkies movie fights
Only if they had categories fitting for Cinefix like "best French New Wave movie" , just to mess with people..
Clint would be a good guy to send to movie fights imo
They would wipe the floor with the Screen Junkies people. The only person who even seems to have decent taste is Dan Murrel
lol! they stand no chance but Dan can argue with anyone and he seems a lot sensible than others there
Cinefix would deserve the win but the SJ people know how to shout and argue their way to victory.
I wanted to see "Mirror" as the number one..
I'm not disappointed :D
surpised you guys didn't mention the Iranian New Wave in this. Abbas Kiarostami, Jafar Panahi, and Mohsen Makhmalbaf specifically. Their films were dramatized but many of the "actors" went off script and began doing things that were never intended to be filmed, switching the drama into a documentary. Also incredibly interesting that they would cast the actual people involved in the dramatized situation as themselves and they reacted in their own way of perceiving the story of their lives.
Close-Up really is a staggering work.
The Italian neo-realism has been doing that style ages ago. But I have to agree on the current renaissance of Iran’s film industry not just Iran but also South Korea and Lebanon
That sounds incredible thank you I'll check it out
Close-up is too good. It just shows the class of Abbas Kiarostami. He used some techniques that gods like Godard, Truffaut, Kurosawa, Ozu used.
All new wave movements around the world broke the rules of cinema. You can't just put them all.
I started watching this video thinking you had run out of ideas, but it ended up being one of the most enjoyable top tens you've made.
Great choices, but I have to give a shout out for Persona, and not just because it's my favourite film of all time but because the way Bergman literally broke the film in order to create the impression of a fractured mind and melding personalities as well as his bizarre montages and multiple layers of symbolism broke just about every rule there was. I feel like Synechdoche, New York would have been a good choice as well. I'm not even a massive fan of that movie put the massive amount of layers Kaufman wove into that story, it's take on art and death as well as the way it perceived reality and dreams was truly rule breaking.
Agreed! Persona is an obvious choice; it broke so many rules: the interrupted film, the repetition of a scene, discontinuities of sound and image, the introductory scene with a boy who has nothing to do with the rest of the film. Should I go on?
Persona is the best film of all time, no doubt of that.
Yay love to see so many people agreeing that Persona is unmatched. An absolute masterpiece.
@@antihinduismisbased is the boy the son of the lady?
When it's about beeaking rules, French are always there xD
Love French new wave cinema
France was the birthplace of cinema
I have always felt that the lack of set in Dogville was a device to further the narrative that this is about human nature... not a specific story happening in a specific place.
well put sir.
Personally, I would've had 2001 in the #1 slot. It trashed almost every rule in the book, including having no dialogue for the first 40 minutes, jumping forward 3 million years with an associative edit, having no main human characters, making space travel super boring--until the arrival of the Stargate. Which turns it into the Most Expensive Experimental Movie ever made. And a totally mindfuck ending to top all MF endings. And people are still arguing about WTF it means.
DrRestezi I’m glad someone was able to sum up most of my thoughts about 2001!
It's a little 'clinical' for some tastes.
@daniel letterman 'evolving to extinction', say what?? The monolith taught one group how to use tools and that's how they gained a superior role at the waterhole. Using tools brings dexterity which leads to greater tool use...…. Then we show up in the evolutionary chain.
We all know the story, it's plain to see. Maybe what you don't know is 2001 was written after the movie, maybe look into that.
@@carlosfandango2419 You should just go watch soap operas if all you're really looking for is an A/V representation of conventional storytelling.
2001 has an unclear plot? A muddled narration or an overly clinical one? The hell does that matter? It's a movie, not a fairytale.
@daniel letterman agreed - if 2001 gets any of the nods here, it's for best jump cut (ape weapon becomes spaceship).
I feel stupid for not knowing most of the films NAMED in this video.
Im with you buddy
don't feel stupid, no one ever heard of most of this junk.
You shouldn't. Just go watch them if you're interested. You don't need to watch every foreign or classic cinema film to be "smart".
Same. I think I knew one of the top ten.
Well if it makes you feel better I feel stupid knowing all the films haha
excellent #1 choice
Indeed
Is CineFix's goal to make Tarkovsky mainstream?
Shame on you.
hehe
after Tarkovsky can we make Paradjnov mainstream?
He deserves to be famous 👍
Funny, that in Russia Tarkovkiy is not mainstream. Tell you as Russian.
MOnTIrOVkO
Wasn't he huge in his own era? I.e., 1960-1970's? Andrei Rublev was a massive success...right?
I prefer the term "convention" to "rule".
agree
That's not click-baity enough) Great video tho.
would have loved to see Jacques Tati's Playtime in the list
In terms of Cinematography, Mirror has to be the greatest movie of all time. Almost every scene from that film could be turned into a painting. "The Burning House" is the most beautiful shot I have ever seen in a movie 💙
Mirror has that "WoW" effect on almost every frame of the movie. Its poetry made cinema. i would love to see some day a film directed by Tarkovsky, Lars Von Trier and Mallick with Lubezki in the art direction photography.
Agreed 100%. My favorite movie and thats my favorite scene, beyond words, unlike anything.
This is one of those lists where I have seen almost none of the films listed but now I really want to. Thanks Cinefix, for bringing some awesome stuff to our attention.
Mulholland Dr. where for the entire first half of the film, we are given a story, characters, and information and, then, in the second half, the first half is completely thrown out the window and the characters and information that we were given has changed.
it wasn't "completely thrown out of the window" by any stretch
getting obsessed with following me around with your dumb comments ah? knock yourself out
+Culprit LA obsessed? me?
you are the clown replying to every comment on here.
as if you know anything.
yes you are obsessed
at least i reply to videos, not foam at the mouth chasing another person in comments calling them pathetic low grade insults like you. Loser
I am agree with Culprit. It is not "completely thrown out of the window", the second part of the film it is placed before the events of the first part, the tricky thing is that Naomi Watts interpret two different characters, and the joke about the pool and the pool cleaner, really get to accomplish the goal of confuse the audience. But as it is said in the film: "No hay banda".
It must have been included in the list.
Glad to see "Last Year at Marienbad" on the list. I was 18 when I first saw it, and it influenced forever the way I looked at films.Hitchcock had previously done the same disorienting effect he used in "Psycho" with "Vertigo", which is my favourite film of all time.
To this day, I can't understand Last Year at Marienbad, and I think that's the point. It's such a unique story, and one that almost defies categorization.
The Marx Brothers seemed to always break the rules in their paramount movies. When watching them it feels like the four of them where miscast in a serious movie and are wrecking it from the inside, with people going along with it.
There's definitely a difference between cinefix top 10s and watchmojo's! Thanks for introducing me to some excellent movies!
And funny enough, Robert Rodriguez got the idea for Dusk till Dawn, from watching Predator. And seeing how Predator went from a military Action film to a Thriller.
interesting.
Thank you CineFix, for doing lists that aren't based on popularity and actually educate us.
Bonnie & Clyde
The Tree of Life for me... Will never see a masterpiece like it
Pretty good selection. Seen them all except for Tarantino's whom I stopped watching because of too much unnecessary violence.
It's really hard to pick only one from Bunuel but it's hard not to include Phantom of Liberty.
Two films that you have overlooked are:
The Saragossa Manuscript (1965)
and
The Hourglass Sanatorium (1973)
by Wojciech Has
FMJ was originally gonna have Psycho's protagonist twist. In the first cut, Joker was gonna be killed by Pyle and it would then switch to a G.I. already in 'Nam. Whilst that would have been interesting to see, the main theme of FMJ is the dehumanisation of the "Boy Next Door", and staying with the characters all through out achieves it's goal, in my opinion.
I always thought it was "the duality of Man"
Not at all Ciaran! Kubrick was a visual artist, he wouldn't spell out the point of his film with dialogue
Only Kubrick could make a movie where the two most interesting characters aren't in half the movie, but it's still a masterpiece.
#3 could also be "Sátántangó" by Tarr Béla, with it's 7 hour length, in which sometimes nothing happens for hours.
great choice
TheGreatZiegfeld, is that you?
- Bajuszbá amazing movie but loads of things happen in it
FUCK HE RUINED PSYCHO FOR ME. I'd been trying for so long not to have that one spoiled for me, and I let my guard down :/
lol
It took me quite some time before I have seen Psycho for the first time - and I must say, that I do find it massively overrated.
None of the characters were in any way interesting, captivating or relatable to me. The story was… well… what story? It's a vessel for a jump-scare (or two) and a plot-twist towards the end. And the end… Well I don't know. Is it unmemorable, or am I getting old and forgot it?
Maybe in its time the film did stand out, but today it does not compare favourably in my maybe not so humble opinion. I just had to think of Spike Lee's "Inside Man" - while from a different genre than Psycho, "Inside Man" makes Hitchock's Psycho look like a freshman film (and average at that).
Mach Tony a lot of old movies are dated today because they were awesome and groundbreaking on their time but since that the troopes and clichés were used to the death and made those movies not so impressive today.
Of course if you dare to question those movies you are a disgrace in the eyes of many when in reality a great amount of movies are really hard to watch by today´s standarts. In the same way, a lot of movies in the present will be dated in the future; it´s a natural cycle.
I thought Rear Window held up really well
Feno Mozo For me, Psycho has gotten better over the years, and is now a favourite of mine.
No Country For Old Men basically does the Psycho twist with its ending. That's why it divided audiences. We were expecting a shootout, and got a totally different thesis.
"Lola rennt" / "Run Lola Run" is heavily inspired by Kieslowski's "Blind Chance" (1987), which I cannot recommend highly enough.
I rented Run Lola Run having no idea what it was about and ❤ it!
I actually have Blind Change on my watchlist - will check it out soon!
Oh yeah. Blind chance is great.
Rule 1 of Making a Good Film: You do not have to rush wildly through the plot, filling every space, divot and hole with noise and dialogue to keep people interested.
unlike watchmojo, you don't sound ugly when you pronounce french, and also are able to laugh when you can't pronounce it. props to you my friend.
glorious leader that’s because watchmojo is a company, they can’t “laugh at themselves” like a person can
Andrei Tarkovsky is so good, I have to watch his films over and over to convince myself they actually exist outside of my dreams.
I'd add Terry Gilliam's movies, where reality and fantasy are always blending, as in 'The adventures of Baron Munchausen'.
lest we forget the accountancy mini movie at the beginning of the meaning of life
...or his latest
" The Man Who Killed Don Quixote".
or 'Brazil'
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I was literally thinking about Luis Bunuel and thought "I wonder if Cinefix has even seen his work". Bravo!!
One would have to make a top 10 of Bunuel films first! Then start with the rest.
so early i'm watching this in 1080p///
thanks for the incredible effort you put in these lists, Cinefix!!
Perhaps a "Top 10 Favourite Use of Music in Films" list?
You can bring together the use of film scores, songs written for film that take off, theatre/opera's transition to films, etc.
Paprika really breaks all the reality rules, even thought it's already an Animated movie. I deserved as thought maybe :) good choices, I was just waiting for Buñel to show up :)
Seems criminal to have a list of important rule breakers and not make a little space for Robert Altman. The man was a rebel constantly flipping off established ideas about dialogue and genre.
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie is so sick. One of my favorite movies. So is L'Age D'Or
That obscure object of desire is another one. Bunuel was a genius.
And Un Chien Andalou...
How about the Hollywood film rule of: kids cannot be killed on screen. "Frankenstein" has that insane scene where the monster just tosses a kid in a pond and she drowns. If you go through horror movies throughout the last 80 years, there are very few movies that violate this rule.
It's getting a bit more flexible these days, but you are right that it seems fairly strictly adhered too.
Jaws does.
@@jimm7098 and Lady Macbeth...
L'Avventura deserved it's own spot on this list
I was thinking the exact same thing
You're right. Ace Ventura was awesome.
L' Avventura chose character development over plot great film.
Yes, it should have gottent an honorable mention at least. Antonioni's film is the mystery thriller in reverse. We're given the solution in the beginning, the rest is a mystery.
@@Cinetropa It did get an honorable mention, as did Blow Up, I think.
Awesome list. "Aguirre, the Wrath of God", "Blow Up", and "Weekend" turned my thinking about movies upside down when I first saw them.
A little disappointed the "Fast Saga" didn't get a mention for their naming convention... or lack thereof.
The Fast and the Furious (2001)
2 Fast 2 Furious (2003)
The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift (2006)
Fast & Furious (2009)
Fast Five (2011)
Fast & Furious 6 (2013)
Furious 7 (2015)
The Fate of the Furious (2017)
F9 (2021)
Spaceballs was a masterpiece and nobody can convince me otherwise
For sure the #1 spoof of all time
Tarkovsky was such a genius, it's so depressing that we only have seven films from him.
I don't usually spend too much time on arthouse, but I like him because his imagery services the story instead of the other way around.
WheresWallace4883 Ironically what ultimately lead to his death was him making Stalker, shooting in a place with such high levels of radiation gave him cancer, killing him by 1986. The commitment he showed to his work was astounding
@@foxybingo1112 The Chernobyl disaster was in 1986 whereas Stalker was released in 1979. And I thought Tarkovsky died of lung cancer. Anyways, still sad that he didn't get to make more films.
7 is alot
@@Wohodix 7 is perfect
Tarkovsky has quickly become one of my favorite directors, ever since I saw STALKER.
GreatSmithanon yeah i love it!
Delphine Seyrig acting in the fulms from top number 4, 3 and 2 WOW
Great list, as always. Personally, I remember being truly shaken by the fourth wall breaks in Michael Haneke's Funny Games and in particular the remote control scene.
#9 - I recall Godard himself denying that this was an artistic choice. He said it was necessitated by technical problems with the camera.
Intention doesn't matter. It's the perceived results of the viewing experience that matter. The viewer is not required to know every detail of the production. The fact Godard, at the time and being his first film, was willing to allow the technical problems to be shown is rule breaking already.
Stan Brakhage.
You don't get too far away from breaking all the rules of filmmaking than not even using a camera. He made hundreds of films which did away with notions such as dialogue, text, narration, sound, actors, even the very use of photography. He would paint, scratch, even paste dead plant and insect matter onto clear leader film. The man made over 400 films in his life ranging from 3 minutes to 3 hours. No one film of his encapsulates all of his techniques better than his 78 minute opus Dog Star Man.
But the question remains, why would anyone want to watch three hours of that?
@@ffeffashgrove Most of them are short films that some last only a minute like Mothlight.
Spaceballs was nowhere as good as Blazing Saddles when breaking the fourth wall.
True! Blazing Saddles LITERALLY broke the fourth wall.
Oooh, or what about Monty Python and the Holy Grail? The ending on that was insane.
fangwulf ... Blazing Saddles did it first, and did it better. When it was done in Spaceballs, it seemed crudely tacked on as a cludgy plot device.In Blazing Saddles, it was a climax that literally was bigger than the world it was set in.
. . . I was agreeing with you. Nowhere did I mention Spaceballs (although I love the freaking movie). Or were you speaking of the addition of Holy Grail? Because honestly, I LIKED that the ending seemed crudely tacked on. It made the movie.
I have to agree. How can you top a movie in which towards the end, the main protagonists walk into a movie theater where non other than Blazing Saddles is being screened.
For Luis Buñuel I would gone with "El Angel Exterminador"...
You would have to put at least 10 from Bunuel on the list though
IMHO, best screenplay ever written.
Dogville is simply a stage play on film.
Suprised that Monty Python & the holy grail didnt make this list...
i thought every film had a scene where the animator dies of a cardiac arrest, as the protagonists are running from an animated monster.
I've used that as an example of effective rule breaking. It's a treasure trove, including the way that none of the characters (except The Old Man From Scene 24 and Tim The Enchanter) do anything to advance the plot. Every scene save those two features the protagonists running against a stone wall.
@@mantistoboggan5171 And ends with an equally huge fourth-wall break, with the police showing up on location and abruptly shutting down the filming :) The first time I saw Holy Grail, even after everything that had gone before it that ending managed to leave me sitting there for several minutes going "Wait ... what?" Genius :)
This comment makes no sense.
Liar! It makes sense!
You destroyed several robots and computers. Are you happy?
hahahahahahahahaha
+Martin Šriber yes!
comment this sense flip makes
What possible reason can there be for the dislikes. Not mentioning your favorite director? This was well done, thanks for the Mirror reference I shall check it out.
I think Oldboy was pretty good at breaking expectations. Especially of you go in with simply the knowledge that it's a revenge movie.
Hope you mean the original. Anyways, not even that one broke any rules that hadn't been tested before. I personally wasn't at all surprised.
Of course the original.
Daniel Crowley we don't acknowledge any other film
It wasn't breaking any rules per se, more just a twist in the story at the end with an engrossing plot
It was really a Greek tragedy translated into the present.
I agreed with many of your picks (those I have seen, of course, which is 5/10). One thing, though: "L' Année Dernière à Marienbad" breaks a helluva lot of rules indeed. I've watched it several times (I own it). But despite my most open-minded attempts, I have to confess that the price for being sooooo avant-garde and existentialist, the film is boring as hell no matter what. "It's like watching paint dry on the wall" was made to be a pun directed at Éric Rohmer, but it describes L'ADAM far better than any of Rohmer's films, which are favorites of mine....
You have to be in the mood for L Année derrière à Marienbad , it sure isn’t for everyone but it’s one of my all time favorite films.
Wait a minute, when it comes to breaking cinematic rules you just do a honorable mention for David lynch?
In almost every Work he's done, there is rule breaking. Almost the entirety of Inland empire and Muholland Drive are a big 'fuck you' to the conventional Hollywood Cinema..
What a list. I love this channel, but I was not expecting one such as this. Surprise is too rare a feeling on this medium, so let me thank you.
No disagreement.. Finally I got to see 'The mirror' in number one position of a list.. Excellent list.. Best video so far..
I'm studying filmmaking in college and absolutely love your channel wish I had found it earlier.
No love for Monty Python and the Holy Grail?
And "Jeanne Dielman..." was chosen in this year's edition of Sight and Sounds "greatest film of all time". I'm trying not to watch too many clips before investing the three-plus hours it apparently takes.
It's so good.
I wish i could give my thumbs up twice... a hundred times on cinefix. This list was just amazing. Beginning with my all time fav director Lars Von Trier and winning the pole my fav artistic director and film poet Tarkovsky. Kudos to Cinefix and plz keep doing lists like this. Godamn Watchmojo ppl must be so depressed right now.
Can you do a top 10 Cinematographers video, or a top 10 editors pretty please :D
“Viaggio in Italia”, “Stromboli”, “L’Avventura”, “La Strada”, “Amacord”, great Italian films that create their own narrative logic. Nicholas Roeg was as important as Tarantino in subverting our understanding of time in cinema. “Night of the Living Dead”, “Martin” and “The Texas Chainsaw Massacre” are genre films that are, in reality, each in a genre of one, the latter being, in my opinion, the most underrated film of any kind in the American canon.
Love your site! I’ve learned so much in terms of how to examine and inspect my favorite films and what story they are attempting to tell. I have a suggestion for a list. Top 20 beautiful Heroines. Not just judged by only beauty; but intelligence, charm, wit, humor, flirting, smile.
I remember the first time I watched _Psycho_ when I was a teenager, I kept thinking, "There's no way she's actually dead... surely she'll end up being Mother or surviving SOMEHOW..."
Top ten movies that achieved believable effects with out CGI.
They have a top 10 practical effects list i'm pretty sure
+John King alright. I'll go and see it.
Aliens
The Fall
2001
The Fountain
The Tree of Life
Blade Runner
And that's all that comes to the top of my head.
Enter the Void -- cinematographic masterpiece, but a torment to watch from beginning to end.
Dunkirk: a rule breaking war film.
It intentionally doesnt allow the audience to have an emotional connection to any of the characters. You barely remember any of their names. Shows that the soldiers come and go. Doesnt glorify it. Shows it how it is. With the battle as the protagonist, I feel that it one of the most rule breaking film of modern cinema
If you liked Dunkirk, you should check out the Thin Red Line, by Terrence Mallick. It's about 3 hours long and jumps around from an endless amount characters that "come and go", exploring their different POV. And the film doesnt glorify war, it more so tries to explain it. But Dunkirk is probably my favorite Nolan and the Thin Red Line is a more slower and philosophical, for a lack of a better word, film.
Thanks will definitely check it out
if you think dunkirk doesnt glorify war, you gotta check out Come & See by elem klimov... that movie shows just how hellish war really is
Heh heh heh, then watch threads and salo and just be done with film
I kind of wanted to see that weird Japanese film from the 70's about the house that kills people on this list.
So many French films! They're clearly doing something right over there 😄😄
Thomas Headley fellini is Italian
I love "Tokyo Story", so glad that it's up on this list. Though you guys LOVE Tarkovsky. He's always at the top of your "serious" movie lists. And it's almost always "The Mirror". I really need to see him and his masterpiece now...
I'll never understand why most youtube video makers script swearing only to "bleep" them out. Can anyone explain?
Sometimes the videos are featured on news sites, Yahoo, or other major media sites with language standards. It's their way of keeping the script they want while also enjoying the publicity if the video is used on one of those other sites. (Less likely to get it if unbleeped.)
Fair doos mate cheers. :)
And sometime the bleeps are actually scripted for an amusing effect. Like a parent deliberately censoring themselves in front of a young child.
Awesome list! I watched 'The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie' for the first time just last week and couldn't recommend it more. Embarrassingly, I still haven't delved into Tarkovsky because his films are so hard to find on DVD/Blu-Ray in Australia, so I eagerly await the opportunity to finally view all of his works, especially 'The Mirror'. Keep up the good stuff! Cheers.
If you were to search youtube for The Mirror (and a couple other Tarkovsky films), you might be pleasantly surprised by what you found...
I realise the internet offers such resources although I like to physically own movies. Probably seems like an ancient ideal to most but thats a whole other debate.
I love how this channel is really just an excuse to make The Mirror #1 on every list no matter the category
Laurel & Hardy.....especially Ollie.......seemed to make 'breaking the 4th wall' a signature move.
How about a Top 10 for the best/influential Screenplays ?
clearly you guys are huge Tarkovsky fans...but there's certainly no fault in that. He is my favorite. Great list.
Love this list! I think my favorite rule-breaking incidents are the short, sweet, unexplained ones that come and go just as quickly. Funny Games, Medium Cool, and Computer Chess all spring to mind.
man locke should at least have got a mention for #3. literally just tom hardy driving and talking on the phone and it's immersive and never boring
Great film.. and Hardy is mesmerising
OK, enough French Cinema. I'm thinking you made this list to excuse some of your favorite films which just aren't any good. One problem I have with French Cinema (and there are many) is that the director will often INTENTIONALLY bore the audience. It's almost like they are saying, "I dare you to watch this whole thing." And just like New Yorkers automatically believe that anything in New York is the best in the world, the critics fawn all over the directors, and similarly, themselves. If you don't like it, then you suck, because you are not French enough. Um, yeah. Instead of actually trying to make a decent film, they just make a bad one and call it "art." And don't think that I'm a 'Murican idiot. I have no such problems with Italian, German, British, Czech, Korean, Japanese, Australian, Canadian, Spanish, or Turkish cinema. They are all distinct and a bit different, and I like that. But French Cinema? No, just no.