Man, I just remembered hanging out with a buddy of mine at Big Boy making top ten lists for favorite all time movies. We agreed to make an extra slot at 8 1/2. Feels like a lifetime ago.
J. David, ah yes, good old rule _852: Whenever you make a video _*_about_*_ breaking rules, make sure the video _*_itself_*_ breaks a rule._ Yeah, they decided to break that rule.
I love that Ceniefix, although being an American channel, isn't so focused on american movie making as any other movie channel from the US, that they see that good movies can be made outside of the states and gives credit where credit is due.
that seems to be classic behaviour of americans ost of the time anyway. remaining completely ignorant of the entire world, yet calling the usa and its products the greatest.
@@thatahamoment497 IMHO it's too hermetic, too personal. You literally have to know a lot of things about the private life of the director to be able to make any sense of it. But it does have the best ending of all time.
I would put money on it being that the first half (pre zombie) was the film (it works on its own and resolves the setup as they get over the border), but then they realise they only have 50 minutes of film - so hey lets throw in a zombie massacre!
Honorable mentions: Love Exposure, M Butterfly, Angel's Egg, Mulholland Drive, Avalon, Monsieur Verdoux, An Elephant Sitting Still, Three Colours: Red, The Cook the Thief His Wife and Her Lover.
It's a movie version of a series of plastic toys that had a made up fictional world in marketing media more than a decade ago. I guess the movies are for young people immersed in that universe in their childhoods, assuming those are now old enough to enjoy the non-children elements added. Note: I never watched the movies or the original stuff, just saw it existed and was told about it.
*Interviewer:* "But surely, monsieur Godard, you at least believe a film should have a beginning, middle and end?" *Godard:* "Yes, but not necessarily in that order."
@stellvia hoenheim Godard - Sorry my friend, but thinking that what I say is something that is being done just for the sake of it..... that's retarded. Godard punches right back at the interviewer
I went to see Dogville in the cinema and I've never seen so many people leave in the first 15 minutes of a movie in all my years. It's also one of the only film I've ever seen being awarded applause at the end. They shoulda stayed.
Funnily enough, I had exactly the same experience with Terry Gilliam's "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" - I've never seen so many people get up and leave during a film, but those that stayed gave it a standing ovation at the end ... and this was in the UK where cinema audiences don't usually do that sort of thing :)
Man, I always thought I was a pretty big film buff, but watching this and seeing almost every entry going to a movie I've never even heard of shows me how much there is that I haven't yet seen.
These (mostly) are movies you would not want to see or could not sit through all the way. They're Art films with a capital A. Not even meant to be entertaining.
In terms of Cinematography, Mirror has to be the greatest movie of all time. Almost every scene from that film could be turned into a painting. "The Burning House" is the most beautiful shot I have ever seen in a movie 💙
Mirror has that "WoW" effect on almost every frame of the movie. Its poetry made cinema. i would love to see some day a film directed by Tarkovsky, Lars Von Trier and Mallick with Lubezki in the art direction photography.
surpised you guys didn't mention the Iranian New Wave in this. Abbas Kiarostami, Jafar Panahi, and Mohsen Makhmalbaf specifically. Their films were dramatized but many of the "actors" went off script and began doing things that were never intended to be filmed, switching the drama into a documentary. Also incredibly interesting that they would cast the actual people involved in the dramatized situation as themselves and they reacted in their own way of perceiving the story of their lives.
The Italian neo-realism has been doing that style ages ago. But I have to agree on the current renaissance of Iran’s film industry not just Iran but also South Korea and Lebanon
This is one of those lists where I have seen almost none of the films listed but now I really want to. Thanks Cinefix, for bringing some awesome stuff to our attention.
Glad to see "Last Year at Marienbad" on the list. I was 18 when I first saw it, and it influenced forever the way I looked at films.Hitchcock had previously done the same disorienting effect he used in "Psycho" with "Vertigo", which is my favourite film of all time.
To this day, I can't understand Last Year at Marienbad, and I think that's the point. It's such a unique story, and one that almost defies categorization.
Mulholland Dr. where for the entire first half of the film, we are given a story, characters, and information and, then, in the second half, the first half is completely thrown out the window and the characters and information that we were given has changed.
I am agree with Culprit. It is not "completely thrown out of the window", the second part of the film it is placed before the events of the first part, the tricky thing is that Naomi Watts interpret two different characters, and the joke about the pool and the pool cleaner, really get to accomplish the goal of confuse the audience. But as it is said in the film: "No hay banda". It must have been included in the list.
+CineFix May I ask who does? They do an excellent job. I always assumed it was a collaborative democratic thing with the whole team but you make it sound like it's one person.
Great choices, but I have to give a shout out for Persona, and not just because it's my favourite film of all time but because the way Bergman literally broke the film in order to create the impression of a fractured mind and melding personalities as well as his bizarre montages and multiple layers of symbolism broke just about every rule there was. I feel like Synechdoche, New York would have been a good choice as well. I'm not even a massive fan of that movie put the massive amount of layers Kaufman wove into that story, it's take on art and death as well as the way it perceived reality and dreams was truly rule breaking.
Agreed! Persona is an obvious choice; it broke so many rules: the interrupted film, the repetition of a scene, discontinuities of sound and image, the introductory scene with a boy who has nothing to do with the rest of the film. Should I go on?
Perhaps a "Top 10 Favourite Use of Music in Films" list? You can bring together the use of film scores, songs written for film that take off, theatre/opera's transition to films, etc.
I have always felt that the lack of set in Dogville was a device to further the narrative that this is about human nature... not a specific story happening in a specific place.
The Marx Brothers seemed to always break the rules in their paramount movies. When watching them it feels like the four of them where miscast in a serious movie and are wrecking it from the inside, with people going along with it.
Great list, as always. Personally, I remember being truly shaken by the fourth wall breaks in Michael Haneke's Funny Games and in particular the remote control scene.
No Country For Old Men basically does the Psycho twist with its ending. That's why it divided audiences. We were expecting a shootout, and got a totally different thesis.
And funny enough, Robert Rodriguez got the idea for Dusk till Dawn, from watching Predator. And seeing how Predator went from a military Action film to a Thriller.
Personally, I would've had 2001 in the #1 slot. It trashed almost every rule in the book, including having no dialogue for the first 40 minutes, jumping forward 3 million years with an associative edit, having no main human characters, making space travel super boring--until the arrival of the Stargate. Which turns it into the Most Expensive Experimental Movie ever made. And a totally mindfuck ending to top all MF endings. And people are still arguing about WTF it means.
@daniel letterman 'evolving to extinction', say what?? The monolith taught one group how to use tools and that's how they gained a superior role at the waterhole. Using tools brings dexterity which leads to greater tool use...…. Then we show up in the evolutionary chain. We all know the story, it's plain to see. Maybe what you don't know is 2001 was written after the movie, maybe look into that.
@@carlosfandango2419 You should just go watch soap operas if all you're really looking for is an A/V representation of conventional storytelling. 2001 has an unclear plot? A muddled narration or an overly clinical one? The hell does that matter? It's a movie, not a fairytale.
She's in the top 5 at least.......though cult actresses is a stiff competition. There are plenty that never made a normal movie in their life - of if they did - the normal one was the odd one out. Any cult movie worth it's salt breaks three or four rules at a time. Hitchcock, Miike, Von Trier, Argento, Russell, Lynch, Godard, Antonioni, Resnais, they all obliterate(d) film rules film by film.
FMJ was originally gonna have Psycho's protagonist twist. In the first cut, Joker was gonna be killed by Pyle and it would then switch to a G.I. already in 'Nam. Whilst that would have been interesting to see, the main theme of FMJ is the dehumanisation of the "Boy Next Door", and staying with the characters all through out achieves it's goal, in my opinion.
Pretty good selection. Seen them all except for Tarantino's whom I stopped watching because of too much unnecessary violence. It's really hard to pick only one from Bunuel but it's hard not to include Phantom of Liberty. Two films that you have overlooked are: The Saragossa Manuscript (1965) and The Hourglass Sanatorium (1973) by Wojciech Has
Paprika really breaks all the reality rules, even thought it's already an Animated movie. I deserved as thought maybe :) good choices, I was just waiting for Buñel to show up :)
Love your site! I’ve learned so much in terms of how to examine and inspect my favorite films and what story they are attempting to tell. I have a suggestion for a list. Top 20 beautiful Heroines. Not just judged by only beauty; but intelligence, charm, wit, humor, flirting, smile.
“Viaggio in Italia”, “Stromboli”, “L’Avventura”, “La Strada”, “Amacord”, great Italian films that create their own narrative logic. Nicholas Roeg was as important as Tarantino in subverting our understanding of time in cinema. “Night of the Living Dead”, “Martin” and “The Texas Chainsaw Massacre” are genre films that are, in reality, each in a genre of one, the latter being, in my opinion, the most underrated film of any kind in the American canon.
Rule 1 of Making a Good Film: You do not have to rush wildly through the plot, filling every space, divot and hole with noise and dialogue to keep people interested.
Stan Brakhage. You don't get too far away from breaking all the rules of filmmaking than not even using a camera. He made hundreds of films which did away with notions such as dialogue, text, narration, sound, actors, even the very use of photography. He would paint, scratch, even paste dead plant and insect matter onto clear leader film. The man made over 400 films in his life ranging from 3 minutes to 3 hours. No one film of his encapsulates all of his techniques better than his 78 minute opus Dog Star Man.
I felt like some professor, tired of lecturing, grabbed my hand and took me on amazing ride through cinema. Tired of expectation and scholarly limitations, they showed me what they were actually passionate about, and showed me what was worthwhile knowing. An amazing watch!
@@RobespierreThePoof @E M S Um... no?? People have been passionate and articulate about films since films began and the development of conventional discourse pertaining to filmography is growing increasingly mainstream; a testament to the growing accessibility of film (which CineFix has, no doubt, had a hand in
Love this list! I think my favorite rule-breaking incidents are the short, sweet, unexplained ones that come and go just as quickly. Funny Games, Medium Cool, and Computer Chess all spring to mind.
Intention doesn't matter. It's the perceived results of the viewing experience that matter. The viewer is not required to know every detail of the production. The fact Godard, at the time and being his first film, was willing to allow the technical problems to be shown is rule breaking already.
How about the Hollywood film rule of: kids cannot be killed on screen. "Frankenstein" has that insane scene where the monster just tosses a kid in a pond and she drowns. If you go through horror movies throughout the last 80 years, there are very few movies that violate this rule.
I love "Tokyo Story", so glad that it's up on this list. Though you guys LOVE Tarkovsky. He's always at the top of your "serious" movie lists. And it's almost always "The Mirror". I really need to see him and his masterpiece now...
What possible reason can there be for the dislikes. Not mentioning your favorite director? This was well done, thanks for the Mirror reference I shall check it out.
A little disappointed the "Fast Saga" didn't get a mention for their naming convention... or lack thereof. The Fast and the Furious (2001) 2 Fast 2 Furious (2003) The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift (2006) Fast & Furious (2009) Fast Five (2011) Fast & Furious 6 (2013) Furious 7 (2015) The Fate of the Furious (2017) F9 (2021)
The set of rules that most movies follow, like "The good guys always win," is called the dominant vision. The films that deliberately set-out to break the rules are called the avant garde.
Awesome list! I watched 'The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie' for the first time just last week and couldn't recommend it more. Embarrassingly, I still haven't delved into Tarkovsky because his films are so hard to find on DVD/Blu-Ray in Australia, so I eagerly await the opportunity to finally view all of his works, especially 'The Mirror'. Keep up the good stuff! Cheers.
I realise the internet offers such resources although I like to physically own movies. Probably seems like an ancient ideal to most but thats a whole other debate.
WheresWallace4883 Ironically what ultimately lead to his death was him making Stalker, shooting in a place with such high levels of radiation gave him cancer, killing him by 1986. The commitment he showed to his work was astounding
@@foxybingo1112 The Chernobyl disaster was in 1986 whereas Stalker was released in 1979. And I thought Tarkovsky died of lung cancer. Anyways, still sad that he didn't get to make more films.
Its weird, I watched this video when it came out when I was 16. I had only seen a handful of these films and I knew even less directors. Now I’m 20 and In film school and it’s crazy how much more I appreciate this video.
I wish i could give my thumbs up twice... a hundred times on cinefix. This list was just amazing. Beginning with my all time fav director Lars Von Trier and winning the pole my fav artistic director and film poet Tarkovsky. Kudos to Cinefix and plz keep doing lists like this. Godamn Watchmojo ppl must be so depressed right now.
I agreed with many of your picks (those I have seen, of course, which is 5/10). One thing, though: "L' Année Dernière à Marienbad" breaks a helluva lot of rules indeed. I've watched it several times (I own it). But despite my most open-minded attempts, I have to confess that the price for being sooooo avant-garde and existentialist, the film is boring as hell no matter what. "It's like watching paint dry on the wall" was made to be a pun directed at Éric Rohmer, but it describes L'ADAM far better than any of Rohmer's films, which are favorites of mine....
One thing I like about your videos is you keep them going. That is, a lot of you tube videos are slow moving with a lot of dead time in between scenes. Thanks for the videos and not insulting me with dead space. Oh and no computer generated voices either.
I remember the first time I watched _Psycho_ when I was a teenager, I kept thinking, "There's no way she's actually dead... surely she'll end up being Mother or surviving SOMEHOW..."
Annie Hall practically invented the non-linear movie, skipping around time frames. One of the reasons that brilliant film is probably the only movie that might be called a comedy, (although it's more), that won the Best Picture Oscar.
I'm really thankful for this channel. Thank you for all that y'all do. It is super awesome that y'all take the art form serious yet it is still enjoyable unlike that dreadful cinema sins channel
Yes, it should have gottent an honorable mention at least. Antonioni's film is the mystery thriller in reverse. We're given the solution in the beginning, the rest is a mystery.
A big rule I hate in mainstream films is the white guy lead. That's why I enjoyed War Room as it had two black female leads, one black supporting male, and the white guy takes a backseat to a cameo. I enjoyed seeing that rule broken completely.
Dunkirk: a rule breaking war film. It intentionally doesnt allow the audience to have an emotional connection to any of the characters. You barely remember any of their names. Shows that the soldiers come and go. Doesnt glorify it. Shows it how it is. With the battle as the protagonist, I feel that it one of the most rule breaking film of modern cinema
If you liked Dunkirk, you should check out the Thin Red Line, by Terrence Mallick. It's about 3 hours long and jumps around from an endless amount characters that "come and go", exploring their different POV. And the film doesnt glorify war, it more so tries to explain it. But Dunkirk is probably my favorite Nolan and the Thin Red Line is a more slower and philosophical, for a lack of a better word, film.
If anyone wants another massive rule breaker. Mulholland Drive is one that definitely breaks multiple rules. >Unnecessary scenes that have a surreal aspect and don't really serve a purpose other than putting out the vibe (the lady behind the garbage, the murderer who ends up having to kill a witness and then a witness of the witness, etc.) >Movie is about Hollywood and thus initiates the thinking in the audience about how each bit relates to how THIS movie was made >The same actors play different roles that switch 3/4 of the way through the movie >unorthodox ordering of the storyline >minor characters are treated like major characters at certain points >the only major plotline becomes less and less the focus as it goes on >graphic scene where Naomi Watts is masturbating while bawling her eyes out, weirding everyone out and making you regret watching it with your parents...
Richard Linklater with Slacker is my favorite rule breakers! I mean the story as a whole fits so well, but it feels so random as it goes from each perspective with barely feeling like there is any break in the story line. Such a chaotic story but once it gets to the old man with the monologue on anarchy it all just feels like one story again. Also how everyone is slightly linked by friends or just passing by others focal point
CineFix is *made* of "Top 10" lists. It's too bad a video list on rule-breaking wasn't a "Top 11" video.
Opportunity missed for sure!
Man, I just remembered hanging out with a buddy of mine at Big Boy making top ten lists for favorite all time movies. We agreed to make an extra slot at 8 1/2. Feels like a lifetime ago.
J. David, ah yes, good old rule _852: Whenever you make a video _*_about_*_ breaking rules, make sure the video _*_itself_*_ breaks a rule._ Yeah, they decided to break that rule.
@@bakedutah8411 Haha. Well saved there. You should be in Politics.
Or bill it as a Top 10 list and only have 2 entries, 1 book and 1 barnyard animal. And make 0 references to the weirdness
I love that Ceniefix, although being an American channel, isn't so focused on american movie making as any other movie channel from the US, that they see that good movies can be made outside of the states and gives credit where credit is due.
They also realize movies were made before 1990.
that seems to be classic behaviour of americans ost of the time anyway.
remaining completely ignorant of the entire world, yet calling the usa and its products the greatest.
I believe they are Canadian - I couldbe wrong
@William Tuttle lol joker isn't that great lol
@William Tuttle buddy you put 2001 space and joker in the same sentence.... Why??
"And topping our list of the top 10 westerns of all time is Tarkovsky's 'The Mirror', because it's just that good."
Njorl it’s a better pick than Star Wars
It is the best film ever
@@thatahamoment497 IMHO it's too hermetic, too personal. You literally have to know a lot of things about the private life of the director to be able to make any sense of it. But it does have the best ending of all time.
Cinefix: Now for our number one pick we’re going to take a look at the surrealist...
Me: Ah shit here we go again
@@AK-tw7uq There are probably many top 10 lists of Lollywood drivel. Why don't you head that way?
The best description of "From Dusk Till Dawn" I've ever heard is "it's like two completely different movies scotch-taped together in the middle."
It's two dudes giving each other a handie.
I would put money on it being that the first half (pre zombie) was the film (it works on its own and resolves the setup as they get over the border), but then they realise they only have 50 minutes of film - so hey lets throw in a zombie massacre!
You could say the exact same thing about parasite
Kinda like Full Metal Jacket
Honorable mentions: Love Exposure, M Butterfly, Angel's Egg, Mulholland Drive, Avalon, Monsieur Verdoux, An Elephant Sitting Still, Three Colours: Red, The Cook the Thief His Wife and Her Lover.
Bless
Add Tetsuo the Iron Man
Love Exposure is AWESOME 👌
You forgot the Transformers saga. To this day I cannot understand its plot.
It's a movie version of a series of plastic toys that had a made up fictional world in marketing media more than a decade ago. I guess the movies are for young people immersed in that universe in their childhoods, assuming those are now old enough to enjoy the non-children elements added. Note: I never watched the movies or the original stuff, just saw it existed and was told about it.
😂
They are more than meets the eye.
Because there is none
me: "wait, why are they on the pyramids? WHAT IS GOING ON?"
*Interviewer:* "But surely, monsieur Godard, you at least believe a film should have a beginning, middle and end?"
*Godard:* "Yes, but not necessarily in that order."
"...and please don't call me Shirley".
Matt Redman yeah airplane references. always welcomed. always
@stellvia hoenheim
Godard - Sorry my friend, but thinking that what I say is something that is being done just for the sake of it..... that's retarded.
Godard punches right back at the interviewer
Anton K Godard was a huge influence on Tarantino!
@@55bueller exactly. I've noticed that too.
I went to see Dogville in the cinema and I've never seen so many people leave in the first 15 minutes of a movie in all my years.
It's also one of the only film I've ever seen being awarded applause at the end.
They shoulda stayed.
Funnily enough, I had exactly the same experience with Terry Gilliam's "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" - I've never seen so many people get up and leave during a film, but those that stayed gave it a standing ovation at the end ... and this was in the UK where cinema audiences don't usually do that sort of thing :)
because Dogville is so stark. it's hard to adjust to it
@@blatherskite3009 😎
Man, I always thought I was a pretty big film buff, but watching this and seeing almost every entry going to a movie I've never even heard of shows me how much there is that I haven't yet seen.
me too
Same here, and every single time I got to watch one of them, they're invariably awesome
sameeee
These (mostly) are movies you would not want to see or could not sit through all the way. They're Art films with a capital A. Not even meant to be entertaining.
These are all well known films lol you're not a film buff just cuz u saw pulp fiction and taxi driver
I feel so uncultured when they reference all these foreign films.
How lucky you are. You get to experience them for the first time!
@@thorn262 Exactly
@@thorn262brilliant way to put it
I have watch some foreign movies because i have always been interested in not only American movies
I think I saw a cut version of the Tarantino movie, there DEFINITELY was not a loaded crotch on the version I saw!! BOOM!
I didn't know I wanted to see so many films before CineFix!
I started watching this video thinking you had run out of ideas, but it ended up being one of the most enjoyable top tens you've made.
In terms of Cinematography, Mirror has to be the greatest movie of all time. Almost every scene from that film could be turned into a painting. "The Burning House" is the most beautiful shot I have ever seen in a movie 💙
Mirror has that "WoW" effect on almost every frame of the movie. Its poetry made cinema. i would love to see some day a film directed by Tarkovsky, Lars Von Trier and Mallick with Lubezki in the art direction photography.
Agreed 100%. My favorite movie and thats my favorite scene, beyond words, unlike anything.
surpised you guys didn't mention the Iranian New Wave in this. Abbas Kiarostami, Jafar Panahi, and Mohsen Makhmalbaf specifically. Their films were dramatized but many of the "actors" went off script and began doing things that were never intended to be filmed, switching the drama into a documentary. Also incredibly interesting that they would cast the actual people involved in the dramatized situation as themselves and they reacted in their own way of perceiving the story of their lives.
Close-Up really is a staggering work.
The Italian neo-realism has been doing that style ages ago. But I have to agree on the current renaissance of Iran’s film industry not just Iran but also South Korea and Lebanon
That sounds incredible thank you I'll check it out
Close-up is too good. It just shows the class of Abbas Kiarostami. He used some techniques that gods like Godard, Truffaut, Kurosawa, Ozu used.
All new wave movements around the world broke the rules of cinema. You can't just put them all.
That movie about the people trying to eat is just like dreams I've had.
This is one of those lists where I have seen almost none of the films listed but now I really want to. Thanks Cinefix, for bringing some awesome stuff to our attention.
*Before video* "Fuck me up CineFix!"
*After video* Officially fucked up
Glad to see "Last Year at Marienbad" on the list. I was 18 when I first saw it, and it influenced forever the way I looked at films.Hitchcock had previously done the same disorienting effect he used in "Psycho" with "Vertigo", which is my favourite film of all time.
To this day, I can't understand Last Year at Marienbad, and I think that's the point. It's such a unique story, and one that almost defies categorization.
Thank you CineFix, for doing lists that aren't based on popularity and actually educate us.
Bonnie & Clyde
I prefer the term "convention" to "rule".
agree
That's not click-baity enough) Great video tho.
Mulholland Dr. where for the entire first half of the film, we are given a story, characters, and information and, then, in the second half, the first half is completely thrown out the window and the characters and information that we were given has changed.
it wasn't "completely thrown out of the window" by any stretch
getting obsessed with following me around with your dumb comments ah? knock yourself out
+Culprit LA obsessed? me?
you are the clown replying to every comment on here.
as if you know anything.
yes you are obsessed
at least i reply to videos, not foam at the mouth chasing another person in comments calling them pathetic low grade insults like you. Loser
I am agree with Culprit. It is not "completely thrown out of the window", the second part of the film it is placed before the events of the first part, the tricky thing is that Naomi Watts interpret two different characters, and the joke about the pool and the pool cleaner, really get to accomplish the goal of confuse the audience. But as it is said in the film: "No hay banda".
It must have been included in the list.
Awesome list. "Aguirre, the Wrath of God", "Blow Up", and "Weekend" turned my thinking about movies upside down when I first saw them.
I wanted to see "Mirror" as the number one..
I'm not disappointed :D
This entire channel is merely a ruse to get me to buy The Mirror, isn't it.
Pretty much
Jeanne Dielman is almost four hours of nothing, but I have to admit I was fascinated the entire time.
OK I have to ask, which one of you guys likes the mirror so much? The movie is on like half of your lists! Is it Clint?! I bet it's Clint!
Clint is the narrator, but he's not the one who writes our Movie Lists.
+CineFix you don't tell me that
+CineFix May I ask who does? They do an excellent job. I always assumed it was a collaborative democratic thing with the whole team but you make it sound like it's one person.
Because is the best film ever :)
+Andres Gtz lol.. Right.
Great choices, but I have to give a shout out for Persona, and not just because it's my favourite film of all time but because the way Bergman literally broke the film in order to create the impression of a fractured mind and melding personalities as well as his bizarre montages and multiple layers of symbolism broke just about every rule there was. I feel like Synechdoche, New York would have been a good choice as well. I'm not even a massive fan of that movie put the massive amount of layers Kaufman wove into that story, it's take on art and death as well as the way it perceived reality and dreams was truly rule breaking.
Agreed! Persona is an obvious choice; it broke so many rules: the interrupted film, the repetition of a scene, discontinuities of sound and image, the introductory scene with a boy who has nothing to do with the rest of the film. Should I go on?
Persona is the best film of all time, no doubt of that.
Yay love to see so many people agreeing that Persona is unmatched. An absolute masterpiece.
@@antihinduismisbased is the boy the son of the lady?
Perhaps a "Top 10 Favourite Use of Music in Films" list?
You can bring together the use of film scores, songs written for film that take off, theatre/opera's transition to films, etc.
I have always felt that the lack of set in Dogville was a device to further the narrative that this is about human nature... not a specific story happening in a specific place.
well put sir.
The Marx Brothers seemed to always break the rules in their paramount movies. When watching them it feels like the four of them where miscast in a serious movie and are wrecking it from the inside, with people going along with it.
Andrei Tarkovsky is so good, I have to watch his films over and over to convince myself they actually exist outside of my dreams.
Tarkovsky has quickly become one of my favorite directors, ever since I saw STALKER.
GreatSmithanon yeah i love it!
The Tree of Life for me... Will never see a masterpiece like it
Great list, as always. Personally, I remember being truly shaken by the fourth wall breaks in Michael Haneke's Funny Games and in particular the remote control scene.
No Country For Old Men basically does the Psycho twist with its ending. That's why it divided audiences. We were expecting a shootout, and got a totally different thesis.
excellent #1 choice
Indeed
There's definitely a difference between cinefix top 10s and watchmojo's! Thanks for introducing me to some excellent movies!
And funny enough, Robert Rodriguez got the idea for Dusk till Dawn, from watching Predator. And seeing how Predator went from a military Action film to a Thriller.
interesting.
Personally, I would've had 2001 in the #1 slot. It trashed almost every rule in the book, including having no dialogue for the first 40 minutes, jumping forward 3 million years with an associative edit, having no main human characters, making space travel super boring--until the arrival of the Stargate. Which turns it into the Most Expensive Experimental Movie ever made. And a totally mindfuck ending to top all MF endings. And people are still arguing about WTF it means.
DrRestezi I’m glad someone was able to sum up most of my thoughts about 2001!
It's a little 'clinical' for some tastes.
@daniel letterman 'evolving to extinction', say what?? The monolith taught one group how to use tools and that's how they gained a superior role at the waterhole. Using tools brings dexterity which leads to greater tool use...…. Then we show up in the evolutionary chain.
We all know the story, it's plain to see. Maybe what you don't know is 2001 was written after the movie, maybe look into that.
@@carlosfandango2419 You should just go watch soap operas if all you're really looking for is an A/V representation of conventional storytelling.
2001 has an unclear plot? A muddled narration or an overly clinical one? The hell does that matter? It's a movie, not a fairytale.
@daniel letterman agreed - if 2001 gets any of the nods here, it's for best jump cut (ape weapon becomes spaceship).
Wow, Delphine Seyrig is in #2, #3 AND #4! Could she be the most rule-breaking female actress of all time? ;)
She's in the top 5 at least.......though cult actresses is a stiff competition. There are plenty that never made a normal movie in their life - of if they did - the normal one was the odd one out. Any cult movie worth it's salt breaks three or four rules at a time. Hitchcock, Miike, Von Trier, Argento, Russell, Lynch, Godard, Antonioni, Resnais, they all obliterate(d) film rules film by film.
FMJ was originally gonna have Psycho's protagonist twist. In the first cut, Joker was gonna be killed by Pyle and it would then switch to a G.I. already in 'Nam. Whilst that would have been interesting to see, the main theme of FMJ is the dehumanisation of the "Boy Next Door", and staying with the characters all through out achieves it's goal, in my opinion.
I always thought it was "the duality of Man"
Not at all Ciaran! Kubrick was a visual artist, he wouldn't spell out the point of his film with dialogue
Only Kubrick could make a movie where the two most interesting characters aren't in half the movie, but it's still a masterpiece.
would have loved to see Jacques Tati's Playtime in the list
I'd add Terry Gilliam's movies, where reality and fantasy are always blending, as in 'The adventures of Baron Munchausen'.
lest we forget the accountancy mini movie at the beginning of the meaning of life
...or his latest
" The Man Who Killed Don Quixote".
or 'Brazil'
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Pretty good selection. Seen them all except for Tarantino's whom I stopped watching because of too much unnecessary violence.
It's really hard to pick only one from Bunuel but it's hard not to include Phantom of Liberty.
Two films that you have overlooked are:
The Saragossa Manuscript (1965)
and
The Hourglass Sanatorium (1973)
by Wojciech Has
"Lola rennt" / "Run Lola Run" is heavily inspired by Kieslowski's "Blind Chance" (1987), which I cannot recommend highly enough.
I rented Run Lola Run having no idea what it was about and ❤ it!
I actually have Blind Change on my watchlist - will check it out soon!
Oh yeah. Blind chance is great.
Paprika really breaks all the reality rules, even thought it's already an Animated movie. I deserved as thought maybe :) good choices, I was just waiting for Buñel to show up :)
I was literally thinking about Luis Bunuel and thought "I wonder if Cinefix has even seen his work". Bravo!!
One would have to make a top 10 of Bunuel films first! Then start with the rest.
Love your site! I’ve learned so much in terms of how to examine and inspect my favorite films and what story they are attempting to tell. I have a suggestion for a list. Top 20 beautiful Heroines. Not just judged by only beauty; but intelligence, charm, wit, humor, flirting, smile.
“Viaggio in Italia”, “Stromboli”, “L’Avventura”, “La Strada”, “Amacord”, great Italian films that create their own narrative logic. Nicholas Roeg was as important as Tarantino in subverting our understanding of time in cinema. “Night of the Living Dead”, “Martin” and “The Texas Chainsaw Massacre” are genre films that are, in reality, each in a genre of one, the latter being, in my opinion, the most underrated film of any kind in the American canon.
Rule 1 of Making a Good Film: You do not have to rush wildly through the plot, filling every space, divot and hole with noise and dialogue to keep people interested.
#3 could also be "Sátántangó" by Tarr Béla, with it's 7 hour length, in which sometimes nothing happens for hours.
great choice
TheGreatZiegfeld, is that you?
- Bajuszbá amazing movie but loads of things happen in it
No disagreement.. Finally I got to see 'The mirror' in number one position of a list.. Excellent list.. Best video so far..
Stan Brakhage.
You don't get too far away from breaking all the rules of filmmaking than not even using a camera. He made hundreds of films which did away with notions such as dialogue, text, narration, sound, actors, even the very use of photography. He would paint, scratch, even paste dead plant and insect matter onto clear leader film. The man made over 400 films in his life ranging from 3 minutes to 3 hours. No one film of his encapsulates all of his techniques better than his 78 minute opus Dog Star Man.
But the question remains, why would anyone want to watch three hours of that?
@@ffeffashgrove Most of them are short films that some last only a minute like Mothlight.
unlike watchmojo, you don't sound ugly when you pronounce french, and also are able to laugh when you can't pronounce it. props to you my friend.
glorious leader that’s because watchmojo is a company, they can’t “laugh at themselves” like a person can
I felt like some professor, tired of lecturing, grabbed my hand and took me on amazing ride through cinema. Tired of expectation and scholarly limitations, they showed me what they were actually passionate about, and showed me what was worthwhile knowing. An amazing watch!
@@RobespierreThePoof @E M S Um... no?? People have been passionate and articulate about films since films began and the development of conventional discourse pertaining to filmography is growing increasingly mainstream; a testament to the growing accessibility of film (which CineFix has, no doubt, had a hand in
so early i'm watching this in 1080p///
thanks for the incredible effort you put in these lists, Cinefix!!
Love this list! I think my favorite rule-breaking incidents are the short, sweet, unexplained ones that come and go just as quickly. Funny Games, Medium Cool, and Computer Chess all spring to mind.
I think Oldboy was pretty good at breaking expectations. Especially of you go in with simply the knowledge that it's a revenge movie.
Hope you mean the original. Anyways, not even that one broke any rules that hadn't been tested before. I personally wasn't at all surprised.
Of course the original.
Daniel Crowley we don't acknowledge any other film
It wasn't breaking any rules per se, more just a twist in the story at the end with an engrossing plot
It was really a Greek tragedy translated into the present.
#9 - I recall Godard himself denying that this was an artistic choice. He said it was necessitated by technical problems with the camera.
Intention doesn't matter. It's the perceived results of the viewing experience that matter. The viewer is not required to know every detail of the production. The fact Godard, at the time and being his first film, was willing to allow the technical problems to be shown is rule breaking already.
The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie is so sick. One of my favorite movies. So is L'Age D'Or
That obscure object of desire is another one. Bunuel was a genius.
And Un Chien Andalou...
Enter the Void -- cinematographic masterpiece, but a torment to watch from beginning to end.
How about the Hollywood film rule of: kids cannot be killed on screen. "Frankenstein" has that insane scene where the monster just tosses a kid in a pond and she drowns. If you go through horror movies throughout the last 80 years, there are very few movies that violate this rule.
It's getting a bit more flexible these days, but you are right that it seems fairly strictly adhered too.
Jaws does.
@@jimm7098 and Lady Macbeth...
What a list. I love this channel, but I was not expecting one such as this. Surprise is too rare a feeling on this medium, so let me thank you.
I love "Tokyo Story", so glad that it's up on this list. Though you guys LOVE Tarkovsky. He's always at the top of your "serious" movie lists. And it's almost always "The Mirror". I really need to see him and his masterpiece now...
Delphine Seyrig acting in the fulms from top number 4, 3 and 2 WOW
What possible reason can there be for the dislikes. Not mentioning your favorite director? This was well done, thanks for the Mirror reference I shall check it out.
I would love to see Cinefix guys fight in screen junkies movie fights
Only if they had categories fitting for Cinefix like "best French New Wave movie" , just to mess with people..
Clint would be a good guy to send to movie fights imo
They would wipe the floor with the Screen Junkies people. The only person who even seems to have decent taste is Dan Murrel
lol! they stand no chance but Dan can argue with anyone and he seems a lot sensible than others there
Cinefix would deserve the win but the SJ people know how to shout and argue their way to victory.
For Luis Buñuel I would gone with "El Angel Exterminador"...
You would have to put at least 10 from Bunuel on the list though
IMHO, best screenplay ever written.
A little disappointed the "Fast Saga" didn't get a mention for their naming convention... or lack thereof.
The Fast and the Furious (2001)
2 Fast 2 Furious (2003)
The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift (2006)
Fast & Furious (2009)
Fast Five (2011)
Fast & Furious 6 (2013)
Furious 7 (2015)
The Fate of the Furious (2017)
F9 (2021)
The set of rules that most movies follow, like "The good guys always win," is called the dominant vision. The films that deliberately set-out to break the rules are called the avant garde.
Awesome list! I watched 'The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie' for the first time just last week and couldn't recommend it more. Embarrassingly, I still haven't delved into Tarkovsky because his films are so hard to find on DVD/Blu-Ray in Australia, so I eagerly await the opportunity to finally view all of his works, especially 'The Mirror'. Keep up the good stuff! Cheers.
If you were to search youtube for The Mirror (and a couple other Tarkovsky films), you might be pleasantly surprised by what you found...
I realise the internet offers such resources although I like to physically own movies. Probably seems like an ancient ideal to most but thats a whole other debate.
Tarkovsky was such a genius, it's so depressing that we only have seven films from him.
I don't usually spend too much time on arthouse, but I like him because his imagery services the story instead of the other way around.
WheresWallace4883 Ironically what ultimately lead to his death was him making Stalker, shooting in a place with such high levels of radiation gave him cancer, killing him by 1986. The commitment he showed to his work was astounding
@@foxybingo1112 The Chernobyl disaster was in 1986 whereas Stalker was released in 1979. And I thought Tarkovsky died of lung cancer. Anyways, still sad that he didn't get to make more films.
7 is alot
@@Wohodix 7 is perfect
You're still the BEST cinephile channel I know.
Its weird, I watched this video when it came out when I was 16. I had only seen a handful of these films and I knew even less directors. Now I’m 20 and In film school and it’s crazy how much more I appreciate this video.
Glad to see Gummo get an honorable mention. It genuinely gives you the experience of being a lost youth in a lost town.
I'm studying filmmaking in college and absolutely love your channel wish I had found it earlier.
The Mirror and Discreet Charm have always been my two favourite films. Fantastic list!
I wish i could give my thumbs up twice... a hundred times on cinefix. This list was just amazing. Beginning with my all time fav director Lars Von Trier and winning the pole my fav artistic director and film poet Tarkovsky. Kudos to Cinefix and plz keep doing lists like this. Godamn Watchmojo ppl must be so depressed right now.
I agreed with many of your picks (those I have seen, of course, which is 5/10). One thing, though: "L' Année Dernière à Marienbad" breaks a helluva lot of rules indeed. I've watched it several times (I own it). But despite my most open-minded attempts, I have to confess that the price for being sooooo avant-garde and existentialist, the film is boring as hell no matter what. "It's like watching paint dry on the wall" was made to be a pun directed at Éric Rohmer, but it describes L'ADAM far better than any of Rohmer's films, which are favorites of mine....
You have to be in the mood for L Année derrière à Marienbad , it sure isn’t for everyone but it’s one of my all time favorite films.
One thing I like about your videos is you keep them going. That is, a lot of you tube videos are slow moving with a lot of dead time in between scenes. Thanks for the videos and not insulting me with dead space. Oh and no computer generated voices either.
I remember the first time I watched _Psycho_ when I was a teenager, I kept thinking, "There's no way she's actually dead... surely she'll end up being Mother or surviving SOMEHOW..."
Annie Hall practically invented the non-linear movie, skipping around time frames. One of the reasons that brilliant film is probably the only movie that might be called a comedy, (although it's more), that won the Best Picture Oscar.
Invented??? oh no! Intolerance was made in 1916, Un Chien Andalou in 1929, Rashomon in 1950, Last Year at Marienbad in 1961, just to name some
I feel stupid for not knowing most of the films NAMED in this video.
Im with you buddy
don't feel stupid, no one ever heard of most of this junk.
You shouldn't. Just go watch them if you're interested. You don't need to watch every foreign or classic cinema film to be "smart".
Same. I think I knew one of the top ten.
Well if it makes you feel better I feel stupid knowing all the films haha
Laurel & Hardy.....especially Ollie.......seemed to make 'breaking the 4th wall' a signature move.
I like how you give more international films a spot on your lists. Mostly French or Japanese but still. I love it.
Is CineFix's goal to make Tarkovsky mainstream?
Shame on you.
hehe
after Tarkovsky can we make Paradjnov mainstream?
He deserves to be famous 👍
Funny, that in Russia Tarkovkiy is not mainstream. Tell you as Russian.
MOnTIrOVkO
Wasn't he huge in his own era? I.e., 1960-1970's? Andrei Rublev was a massive success...right?
This is one of the best channels to follow if you are a film buff. 2 Thumbs up
No love for Monty Python and the Holy Grail?
man locke should at least have got a mention for #3. literally just tom hardy driving and talking on the phone and it's immersive and never boring
Great film.. and Hardy is mesmerising
I'm really thankful for this channel. Thank you for all that y'all do. It is super awesome that y'all take the art form serious yet it is still enjoyable unlike that dreadful cinema sins channel
L'Avventura deserved it's own spot on this list
I was thinking the exact same thing
You're right. Ace Ventura was awesome.
L' Avventura chose character development over plot great film.
Yes, it should have gottent an honorable mention at least. Antonioni's film is the mystery thriller in reverse. We're given the solution in the beginning, the rest is a mystery.
@@Cinetropa It did get an honorable mention, as did Blow Up, I think.
clearly you guys are huge Tarkovsky fans...but there's certainly no fault in that. He is my favorite. Great list.
Top ten movies that achieved believable effects with out CGI.
They have a top 10 practical effects list i'm pretty sure
+John King alright. I'll go and see it.
Aliens
The Fall
2001
The Fountain
The Tree of Life
Blade Runner
And that's all that comes to the top of my head.
A big rule I hate in mainstream films is the white guy lead. That's why I enjoyed War Room as it had two black female leads, one black supporting male, and the white guy takes a backseat to a cameo. I enjoyed seeing that rule broken completely.
This is my favorite list you've EVER done... PLEASE do a part 2!!!
Would be nice to have a list of honorable mentions. Some of the names went by so fast, they were hard to understand.
Dunkirk: a rule breaking war film.
It intentionally doesnt allow the audience to have an emotional connection to any of the characters. You barely remember any of their names. Shows that the soldiers come and go. Doesnt glorify it. Shows it how it is. With the battle as the protagonist, I feel that it one of the most rule breaking film of modern cinema
If you liked Dunkirk, you should check out the Thin Red Line, by Terrence Mallick. It's about 3 hours long and jumps around from an endless amount characters that "come and go", exploring their different POV. And the film doesnt glorify war, it more so tries to explain it. But Dunkirk is probably my favorite Nolan and the Thin Red Line is a more slower and philosophical, for a lack of a better word, film.
Thanks will definitely check it out
if you think dunkirk doesnt glorify war, you gotta check out Come & See by elem klimov... that movie shows just how hellish war really is
Heh heh heh, then watch threads and salo and just be done with film
What happened to both pans labyrinth and what dreams may come for surrealism
If anyone wants another massive rule breaker. Mulholland Drive is one that definitely breaks multiple rules.
>Unnecessary scenes that have a surreal aspect and don't really serve a purpose other than putting out the vibe (the lady behind the garbage, the murderer who ends up having to kill a witness and then a witness of the witness, etc.)
>Movie is about Hollywood and thus initiates the thinking in the audience about how each bit relates to how THIS movie was made
>The same actors play different roles that switch 3/4 of the way through the movie
>unorthodox ordering of the storyline
>minor characters are treated like major characters at certain points
>the only major plotline becomes less and less the focus as it goes on
>graphic scene where Naomi Watts is masturbating while bawling her eyes out, weirding everyone out and making you regret watching it with your parents...
Richard Linklater with Slacker is my favorite rule breakers! I mean the story as a whole fits so well, but it feels so random as it goes from each perspective with barely feeling like there is any break in the story line. Such a chaotic story but once it gets to the old man with the monologue on anarchy it all just feels like one story again. Also how everyone is slightly linked by friends or just passing by others focal point