"I watch your mouth move, and I see cities burning" that line makes so much sense since atreus is the one who convinces Surtr to become the Ragnarok beast
However, he seems to have never learned the concept of keeping his opinion to himself, just because he can read other peoples minds, doesn’t mean he has to share what he see’s with them, that’s just him being a jerk.
@DSVoid Or possibly Odin somehow affected his ability somehow. He's a powerful magic user after all, and Heimdall seems to think that Odin is all sunshine and rainbows. Which, realistically, if he can read minds he'd surely know that Odin is only nice to anyone because he's using them. And surely he'd see all the horrible things Odin has done in Atreus - and others - memories. But if Odin somehow removed his ability to see such things, whilst leaving the rest, he'd only see the duplicitousness, but not the underlying cause, leading him to his current worldview which is very, very convenient to the All-Father.
@@lozm4835 I personally think it’s a case of blind deviation to his father and a result of Odin simply being so good at lying that he can even fool the likes of Heimdall, remember, Odin lies to himself about who he really just as much as he lies to others, meaning Heimdall might not be able to see past that deceptive barrier that Odin has set up.
@@lozm4835 Odin probably put some spell on heimdall where he couldn't correctly read Odin's mind....Odin had them all hooked and loyal to him. Heimdall,Thor, baldur....
Yeah, Heimdall correctly perceived Atreus as a threat to Asgard, but he didn't think any further than "This person is a threat, I should neutralize this threat by killing them". Because if he had thought a little more about it, he might have asked "What will be the consequences if I kill this person?". Because in the words of Kratos, there are consequences to killing a god.
@@doriangrigorie7345that’s what makes him an imperfect tool for Odin to use. Heimdall can see everyone's intentions and in his mind the reason and the consequences doesn’t matter to him
If that’s how he works then Atreus should’ve imagined himself violently mating with heimdall then imagine himself holding heimdalls hand as he births their child in agony. That would’ve shut him up I think
@@TheStraightestWhitest he is not clairvoyant, Heimdall is an empath, while also being able to just read people's bodies, he cannot directly read someone's mind, he reads their emotional intentions.
@@k_tess Im not sure if youve seen the scrapped sinmara story line then. As I said, it was scrapped so you wont just find it in the game but can find it online
@@buni1934 @BUNI originally, stabbing surtr with the blades didnt work and he just died. So then we went to sinmara and atreus lied to her about surtrs death. Atreus said that odin killed surtr. This way, we manipulated sinmara into getting ragnarok and then the story plays out as normal with a little extra side mission at the end with their hearts. This is also hardly oversimplified. We also hear about atreus's dark side where he wants revenge and kratos tries to explain how revenge isnt what atreus wants. So thinking back to heimdalls speech, it feels connected. Lying and manipulating so atreus gets what he wants. I dont have a source link but you can look it up for some more details of dialogue and sinmaras design (She has a body in the game files)
Heimdall was mad because he saw Loki as an earlier version of himself. Heimdall is just as eager, but with a different gift. He used that gift to essentially play the role of Smithers to Odin's Mr. Burns. Heimdall was convinced, either by himself or by Odin, that there was no him without Asgard. He would rather die than have anything happen to Asgard, but he would rather see it all burn than to be replaced by Loki. Heimdall could have very easily taken his Gjallahorn, and his stump, back to Asgard and left Atreus alone. But he couldn't imagine returning to Asgard without Kratos' head. His desire for approval blinded him to the fact that he was not going to be a threat to Atreus and leave that valley alive that day.
Remember when Odin said he and Atreus make a good team? And Thor interrupted them by saying "Like you and Baldur?" I always had this feeling that Odin used this phrase a lot in order to win favors. Like this phrase alone manipulated Baldur and Heimdall to be so loyal to him. Heimdall is more likely the latest addition in order to take advantage for his ability to read minds. And I think the first one to hear this was Thor which is why he looks so depress because he never hears that anymore from Odin.
@@Erricane its odd, but shouldn't Heimdall also discover Odin's intentions? it is said by the devs that Odin plays a role as someone you greatly want the attention of, especially your children and all of Odin's kids, including Thor try their best to please him, just to get his attention on them (in Thor's case, his approval or atleast some measure of acceptance that he is not just a tool to kill giants and anything Odin wants destroyed) this seems to imply Odin is a neglecting father and his kids are attention/approval starved, Atreus is only approval starved but Kratos is just strict so it is different in his case.
@@m-w-y7325 I think that was why he's so loyal to Odin. Because he can't read Odin's mind and it led him to respect him and just want his attention. And it was obvious he was a neglecting father. Mimir said that Thor was taught discipline over and over again. Which caused Thor to do the same for Magni and Modi too. This meant Odin abused Thor which was how he was able to keep Thor to be loyal. Maybe Thor suffered from a trauma until he finally put down the hammer and said no.
@@Erricane "put down the hammer" truly a metaphor that cost him his life at the hands of his abuser, atleast Thor still managed to redeem, Odin got the worst end for all the shit he did to everyone. (even Heimdall died normally and had his soul not torn asunder)
You are over analyzing whats not there. Heimdall spelt it out in this clip. He knows Atreus is there for ulterior motives and that he was playing the Trojan horse tactic. When he was losing to Kratos he kept fighting because he was mad that he was actually being looked down on and being shown Mercy. Heimdall had been around for thousands of years and had never even lost to someone let alone been hit by someone. He had his nose turned up on everyone and everything because he believed himself to be the best of the best as Odin's right hand. Kratos kicked his ass and showed him pity, that rocked his ego and pride to the core. Heimdall didn't view other people as people, he viewed them as insignificant ants and there was Kratos, an ant showing the all mighty Hiemdall mercy. Had nothing to do with Odin's approval. He had Odin's approval because Odin let him carry the Horn. Out of everyone Odin trust Heimdall only because Heimdall had unconditional and unbreakable loyalty to Odin. He was mad because he knew Atreus was planning to betray Odin and that he wanted to defeat Odin but he could not do anything because Odin allowed Atreus safe passage. When the person you are most loyal to invites a person you know 100% plans to betray and backstab and you have to let the betrayer in, yes it would make him mad.
you see... that's correct but then again Odin also knew but he decided to take the risk and probably felt confident that he was gonna be able to persuade Atreus to his side but things didn't go as he expected in the end
It's not that Odin decided to take the risk. To Odin, there was no other option than to take the risk for his own selfish ends. He said it multiple times: he had to know what came next. Atreus was the only means to that end, as there was no other Jotnar left alive (of which Odin was aware) that had the knowledge necessary to achieve the task of restoring the mask.
Odin knew what Atreus truly wanted all along, he knew Atreus lies so obviosuly he played along to his advantage. Odin lost because he was just weaker, but his plan was clean af
@@matthewgabriele206 Atreus: Oh, sorry? Was that not good enough? Fine, how's this: You are a sadistic, arrogant, spiteful bully with a fragile ego who projects his own flaws onto other people, abuses his horned lion, and says rude things all the time... *and* you have ugly golden teeth, and ugly purple eyes, and *what's up with your skin*? You look like a knock-off version of Twilight.
What I love about him is this. This and other conversations gives us a peek at what he feels as well. The line about Atreus being too eager to prove himself due to the father figure thing can relate to Heimdall. He is essentially replacing Baldur, a son Odin respects somewhat more than Thor and the grandchildren. He's got big shoes to fill.
He replaced Him for Years Then. I feel Thor Back when Baldur was Alive Looked like His Gow 4 Version( In His Prime)and Would have been Way More Powerful than Gow R Thor.
Heimdall is like Hao Asakura, he has tremendous insight into all people that he cannot turn off, and it has made him cynical due to reading their unfiltered intent. The main difference is that Heimdall uses that knowledge to react to current troubles, rather than ponder over it and employ subtlety.
Very not-godly of him. Another fail by santa monica. You can tell me it's 'subversion' of wisdom all you want, you'd be the first to say it anyway, but I don't care. Subversiom is the new cliche
Heimdall sees all at a glance, but doesn't see deeper. He threatens Atreus and plans to kill him, not thinking of the consequence. His death gives Kratos the tool to bring Ragnarok.
@@doriangrigorie7345 he knew who Kratos was and what he did, his arrogance in his own abilities just led him to underestimate the Ghost of Sparta as another foreign god who was way in over his head.
not realy, if atreus would die, baldur wouldnt be released from his curse, loki would die and prophecy would be broken, kratos would die against a undying baldur, and i dont think kratos would even would reach that point to be killed by baldur, i think he would die way earlier. in the end if baldur dont die, ragnarok wouldnt be possible. i know kratos is strong, very strong at that too, but in end Asgardian's are on a whole different level then greeks and some of them can solo whole greek pantheon. in the end, even if one of top powerhouse of asgard was decisive this would end waaaaay earlier. heimdall was right, he should have killed atreus.
If Heimdall didnt plan on killing Atreus, the fates wouldn't have told Kratos, which caused him to plan to kill him, and him getting the horn starting the war. Heimdall like Odin said doesnt think his actions through and how they effect everything. You could argue instead of him being "right" he guaranteed war. But because of his nature and arrogance he was set the path and the end.
It's kind of stupid for Heimdall that instead of guarding the bridge to Asgard like he should, He launch an offense on Kratos. Heimdall ability is to work with people, however he's too stupid to use his own ability to its full potential instead of playing chess with everyone mind like anyone with this ability should be, he doesn't play the game and crush the chess board instead. Ironically, His mind is his own downfall, everything he decide by himself are mistake from ambush Kratos to spitting at Kratos mercy.
He see so much so he’s blinded by the bigger picture, he see Atreus is a threat so he must be eliminated but doesn’t see the consequences of such action, the return of the ghost of spartan
That's the problem, if Heimdall hadn't been so arrogant, he could've been a force for good that his people needed. Of course, the same could be said of all of the Aesir, especially Odin.
So they saw themselves as the good "noble" guys "saving" (kidnapping) people from all the realms to "live"(as hostages/meatshields/workers/slaves) and work for them despite all the secret backstabbings and wars Odin made Thor do and Mimir plan towards all the realms and all that only because Odin made his realm basically most top VIP place ever until Heimdall didn't leave the key to all realms at home.
Odin didn't care about being good. He cared about the mountain of knowledge others have, and seek for it at every cost. It's like a person envy of everyone else for something he doesn't have, and in Odin's case, it's knowledge and power. And the Aesir gods, except Tyr and Mimir, were thoroughly manipulated by Odin to become his pawns, or didn't have the guts to go against him
From an asgardian pov you can’t really hate on heimdall he was right and his job is to protect Asgard. Atreus was there start ragnorak and ended up destroying Asgard
Sure you can, if Heimdall didn't threaten Aterus's life there would have been no Ragnorak. As the Norns said "There is no grand design. No script. Only the choices you make" and every choice Heimdall made furthered Ragnorak. Hell at the end all he had to do was swallow his pride and accept Kratos's mercy. But he couldn't instead he intentionally provoked a man he KNEW killed a pantheon of gods.
@@keeperofnecronomicon are we forgetting Loki went to Asgard and immediately thought habit back stabbing and killing Odin, Heimdall isn’t really all that bad he was deceived by Odin.
@@keeperofnecronomicon In the same way, if Atreus wasn't trying to start Ragnarok because he got in his head that he was meant to be a "Champion", none of that would happen either. The Norns are kinda up their own asses, they predicted Kratos would die and Atreus was going to die to Heimdall, and both times they failed.
@@ggwp638BC No they never predicted Heimdall would kill Atreus, they said Kratos would learn that Heimdall intends to kill Atreus and then he would kill Heimdall. Kratos tried to show him mercy, but Heimdall rejected his pity and openly declared he was definitely going to kill his son.
Everything that transpired was entirely his fault. If he would've taken a different stance towards Atreus or was able to just bury his pride until Kratos left, the Gjallarhorn would've remained with him and unused. He Heralded Ragnarok, just not the way everyone imagined. Odin nailed it best "sometimes he just forgets to think".
To be fair, he new Atreus' thoughts. In a secret dialogue, he saw that Atreus changed his view on Asgard. Heimdall did nothing wrong. All he did was call Atreus and Thrud names. Heimdall's job is literally to keep people out of Asgard. Odin can literally teleport Atreus into Asgard, so Heimdall would have been justified. He was just doing his job the entire time.
To me, this just further reinforces the fact that Atreus is Odin. We already saw him manipulating Surtr by downplaying his wife, Sinmara. He lied to Odin. Lied to Thor about Kratos. Lied to Angrboda when she met him in Muspelheim. He hid things from his father, like meeting Freya, finding Tyr, Ironwood, etc;. He stole the scroll on Gjallarhorn. He's skilled with magic. He's also seeking answers, and he's even blindly rushing into fate to find them. He hid the fact that he knew Brok died. He ran away. He wanted war. The list just goes on and on. Atreus has done so many things throughout this game that raise a lot of questions. The fact is, Atreus and Odin look very alike, especially if you look at the painting of young Odin in his library. Odin and Atreus are the same people. Atreus at some point in his future mastered magic, and became extraordinarily powerful. He got sent back in time somehow and he had nothing to do apart from killing Ymir so that he could create the realms. Atreus built and built the Nine Realms, but it all led back to the mask. The mask he once threw away as a child, now something that can bring him back to where he came from. Bring him back to his family. The fact of the matter is, this franchise has a habit of changing around fate, making it greatly misinterpreted by the viewer. Kratos thought he was the one to die. It wasn't him, it was Odin. I think the whole "kratos dies, then atreus serves odin" prophecy is just a metaphor for how Atreus becomes Odin.
He seemed genuinely happy to answer a simple question like, how did he know He had questions and seemed really upset knowing the next question wouldn’t be something so simple
@@terrapvphes just that older brother who picks on you because he can’t live up to his own fathers demands. So he belittles anyone he can to feel a little better about himself.
also everything is Heimdall's fault, as if he just stayed down and did not threaten to kill the BOI in front of Kratos then Kratos would have spared him.
Heimdall reads thoughts and intentions of other people . He was able to dodge kratos because kratos was thinking about hitting him with power and strength. After that he just started doing it instinctively so heimdall couldn't read his thoughts - as there weren't any . he was relying on his instincts.
I don't like that explanation b/c no skilled fighter is 'thinking' in that sense during a fight, against another skilled opponent you don't have time. So that implies he never fought anyone skilled
Heimdall was very clearly reading Kratos' thoughts and makes it clear several times during the fight and cutscenes. The "empty head" line is just dissing. Heimdall knew exactly what Kratos was going to do, but got outmatched entirely. It doesn't matter that he knows what is coming if he isn't fast enough to dodge.
@@TheAcidicMolotov It is confirmed by process of elimination. The spear was a weapon that Kratos had trained with since a child, it brought the concept of instinct to the fore. That was the entire point of the spear, to introduce intuition/instinct in order to subvert Heimdall's foresight, removing the element of conscious thought. This was proven to be his power when Thor told Heimdall to look into his eyes, Thor glancing at the arrow, and Heimdall quickly throwing it aside. Heimdall didn't know what was going to happen until Thor consciously thought about what he was going to do with that arrow. We can rationally conclude that Heimdall's power is to read conscious thought (i.e. intentions). Therefor, we can rationally conclude that intuition and instinct, neither of which are elements of conscious thought, are the methods with which to counter Heimdall's defense. We can refer to Eric Williams in the IGN interview when he stated that Heimdall's power is, *_"if you could always see what people's intentions are."_* So, that replaces the need to prove Heimdall's actual power. The most logical conclusion is that Kratos, by Heimdall's own admission, was fighting with intuition/instinct instead of intent. Heimdall couldn't comprehend that such a degree of training was capable that would permit the release of conscious thought during battle. That is why he shouted that it was pure luck and referred to the empty head. It was derogatory language against the pure battle intuiton that Kratos was utilizing. He was incredulous. Everything reinforces that Heimdall lost because Kratos was in a battle trance, which was further reinforced by the means and manner in which Kratos killed him. Kratos had a singular, overriding will during that fight: prevent Heimdall from harming Atreus.
@cookingwithkratos man literally abused his family, used his own children as pawns, didn't actually care when any of them died beyond their use to him and Ragnarok genuinely would not have happened if the man just stopped. Even if he truly believed that what he was doing was for the benefit of everyone (which I doubt. He only cared about his own benefit and it shows ALOT through the game) he's not a good person simply because of how he treated people and how his actions lead to multiple genocides, and through it all he never cared about the loss of life or suffering he caused. Only that his ass was covered
Incorrect. Heimdall was wrong. He said nothing good would come from Loki being in Asgard. The result was that the eight remaining realms were free of the meddling and oppression of Odin and Asgard. What he should have said was that nothing good for him would come from Loki being in Asgard. But he's so arrogant that he probably thinks what's good for him is all that matters.
He was right Atreus is disrespectful and he gets on my nerves. He’s the reason all this shit happened because of him wanting to go on adventures to find who he is and constantly fussing at his father
I don’t think he’ll be a villain but I do think he’ll have some kind of “revenge arc” like Kratos back in the day. The difference being that Atreus would stop himself, realizing he was becoming the very thing Kratos wished for him not to be. Instead of slaughter, Atreus would lead the oppressed to improve and overthrow their oppressors themselves
In the bar in the big wood house you can talk to heimdall he reveals that he hates liars, because they lie to everyone even themselves. That's why he is so honest and hateful sounding he would rather you truly hate him than you pretending to like him. :(
Nah, Heimdall was wrong about Atreus. His shortsightedness and arrogance is what sets ragnarok into motion. Like how the Norns said, it is his nature, he cannot change
Poppy spears and the God who used them to hem him in so he could figure out exactly how he would react. And then proceeded to disrupt his block and deck him in the face.
Let's be real, you don't have to be a clairvoyant to know people have agendas. Every time there's a mind/intent-reading character like Heimdall, they're always jaded and cynical because they can see the """true part""" of a person. But he's not sEcReTlY rIgHt; every person alive has dark and immoral impulses, which may or may not be acted upon. It's why I'm never impressed by these mind-reading archetypes, not because they act smug and superior, but they really have no compelling statements besides "peepul bad >:((((" Which is such a totally reductive sentiment that it actually makes clairvoyants look far less smarter than what they're presented as.
“Nothing good”? Yeah, cause killing Odin, saving the midgardians and probably some asgardians, and probably sparing all the 9 realms from “the shortcut to knowledge” that was the Giant’s mask. I’ll say Atreus was a very smart fellow in this game, he got off it with VERY GOOD results.
Yeah he has a point. He's also lying. Heimdall hates everyone, he doesn't protect Asgard cause he cares about anyone in it. He does it cause its a cushy job with a ton of perks
There are no perks to his job, even Odin didn't seem to care for Heimdall...and he is not a liar unlike Odin, you clearly didn't understand his character one bit if you thought he was lying in this scene.....he spoke the harsh truth and even atreus knew it, since he said so in his journal.....go back and play the game again.
@@AntiDegenerate1971 He is lying cause from this point onwards he shows how little he cares for anyone else in Asgard. Everyone is beneath him and he shows that through constant belittlement, one upmanship and insults. Hell he even tells Atreus that he doesn't like anyone because he can read their intentions and says it shows him that everyone is dishonest, that they put on a face to manipulate him and Odin. And to a degree he's right but that only further makes my point that he hates everyone around him, his ability makes him see the worst in everyone. I mean shit Heimdall abuses the people around him as much as Odin does, probably more since he doesn't try to dress it up and is just up front with how much he thinks literally everyone is beneath him.Odin multiple times referred to Heimdall as irreplaceable. He talked down to Heimdall but Odin talked down to everyone, Odin used everyone. And finally Heimdall's job, was to sit at home and watch Asgard's border, and Asgard is a secure place that never sees any threat, Atreus climbing the wall was very much an unusual event, so Heimdall's job is to watch a border that someone broke into once? Sound like a cushy job to me. Heimdall is the spoiled rich kid who always got everything he ever wanted, never had to actually work for anything a day in his life, and never got reprimanded whenever he acted like a brat or abusesd the people around him.
@@AntiDegenerate1971 so replaying the game and thought of this convo. And I did have a slight misunderstanding. Heimdall isn't lying here you're right. He's projecting. All of his negative traits he's projecting onto Atreus. Entitled? Disrespectful? Impulsive? Eager to prove himself? Overshadowing father figure he can never live up too? Yeah some of those traits apply to Atreus but can you genuinely look at Heimdall and say he doesn't share every single one of those same traits? It's something Heimdall does with everyone, projects his insecurities onto them and uses his foresight to give an impression of superiority.
Heimdall is partly right about things and partly pompous/exaggerated. There's no denying he was gifted but more importantly: 1. He's not as strong as he thinks he is. 2. His cockyness is his own worst enemy.
Well, the belief about himself was in his own right. Mimir said "i never seen anyone lie a finger on him, not even once". If Baldur was invincible, Heimdall was untouchable
He's right because he unintentionally caused all of it. They wouldn't even have ghjallahorn it the prick just didn't provoke the man who was fully intending on sparing him if he didn't threaten the kid
heimdall was right all along. Atreus main goal just want the prophecies came true and become a champion of jotnar. Without realized what he would sacrifice for that.
Hot take, it was a mistake to kill Heimdall His character was too interesting to the series to be taken out but of course Freya, Thor's wife, and his daughter and basically all the girls that were introduced in this game gets to stay around while nearly every guy introduced in this one dies.
@@_kittenpawzz I'm pointing out how in a series where we use to kill everyone gods man or woman It's odd now that Kratos only really kill the male gods, despite him wanting to be better and all that, even though many of the female ones has done similar horrible stuff to him. Like Freya constantly trying to kill him and his son, etc. But they don't even really get at least a beatdown or anything. But guys like Odin, Thor's sons, Heimdall(who is basically a child mind you, doesn't seem that far in age from the other children), all get axe'd with little mercy or real consequences and most move on. It's just odd the shift, and the Valkries don't count they're literal DLC filler. That might as well count as non-canon as no one mentions them or what Kratos did to them.
Make sense, I mean, he really likes the place, and let's be honest, Asgard in the mythology of that game is the best place to live, apart from the fact that he grew up there.
*Proceeds to defeat Odin, free all the realms, put a new God of Peace in place to ensure it's continued success" Heimdall really couldn't have been more wrong.
Well he did get their after inadvertently killing the people they worked so hard to save, lying to everyone, and trying so hard to get a warrior he didn’t see the imposter, but that’s just a fact. A GAME fact😂😂😂😂
Heimdall was referring to Asgard. The only place he cares about. And considering the events of Ragnarök you see clearly that Heimdall was correct on everything he said Plus nobody knew at that time that Ragnarök only destroyed Asgard. Meaning Atreus’s intentions would’ve affected all of the Nine Realms. And that’s what Heimdall would see in him
I tried to tell everybody. Nobody wanted to believe him because he bullies kids or someshit but literally in the war innocent people were killed and had their houses burnt down all because Atreus couldn't mind his damn business 😭 he lied to everybody to get answers. And he still didn't get the answers in the end
While that is true, the way the devs crafted the story favors a theory among scholars that Loki is somewhat out of place in Norse mythology since there's no pre-Christian depictions of Loki, everything we know about him comes from the Prose Edda and Poetic Edda which were written after Scandinavia was Christianized and so Loki's depiction there is through a highly biased Christian lens, and there's a lot of missing mythological context for stuff like Baldr's death and if Loki was probably a manifestation of Odin himself, since Odin's just as much a trickster and deceiver as Loki is.
But the thing is, Heimdall doesn't only read minds. He reads your intentions and has the ability of Foresight. He's basically seeing your future as you fight! I think Kratos was simply more faster and stronger than Heimdall, so he ends up overwhelming Heimdall as they fight.
That may be true but I think nobody was willing to give Heimdall the satisfaction because he was such an asshole about having to be right about everything. For being in such a comfortable position, he doesn't get much respect, not even from Odin.
I believe yes. When freya and kratos were in vanahaim, right before the battle started heimdall made fun of freyr and called him"sizzle wasn't hot the last time i saw him"
Heimdall was right, but is too shortsighted exactly like Odin said, if he didn't plan to kill Atreus, Kratos wouldn't have made Draupnir, Heimdall wouldn't have died, and Gallahorn wouldn't be taken and used in Ragnarok
"I watch your mouth move, and I see cities burning" that line makes so much sense since atreus is the one who convinces Surtr to become the Ragnarok beast
If Santa Monica went with the sinmarra portion of the game, there would've been no question, lol
Considering the cut content involving Surtr's wife, Heimdall could've been even more right.
@@brendonmarcelin1494 yea thinking about it now your right
No, im sure Heimdall is seeing some future stuff of Atreus.
@@pepe12699 heimdall reads minds, he doesnt see the future
That’s the problem with Heimdall. He’s always right and he knows he is
Hi Dr.House-- oh wait..
However, he seems to have never learned the concept of keeping his opinion to himself, just because he can read other peoples minds, doesn’t mean he has to share what he see’s with them, that’s just him being a jerk.
@DSVoid Or possibly Odin somehow affected his ability somehow. He's a powerful magic user after all, and Heimdall seems to think that Odin is all sunshine and rainbows. Which, realistically, if he can read minds he'd surely know that Odin is only nice to anyone because he's using them. And surely he'd see all the horrible things Odin has done in Atreus - and others - memories. But if Odin somehow removed his ability to see such things, whilst leaving the rest, he'd only see the duplicitousness, but not the underlying cause, leading him to his current worldview which is very, very convenient to the All-Father.
@@lozm4835 I personally think it’s a case of blind deviation to his father and a result of Odin simply being so good at lying that he can even fool the likes of Heimdall, remember, Odin lies to himself about who he really just as much as he lies to others, meaning Heimdall might not be able to see past that deceptive barrier that Odin has set up.
@@lozm4835 Odin probably put some spell on heimdall where he couldn't correctly read Odin's mind....Odin had them all hooked and loyal to him. Heimdall,Thor, baldur....
I think the biggest problem Hiemdall has is that he knows "what" is going to happen but he never stops to think of "why".
Exactly what Odin said:" very perceptive but sometimes he forgets to think"
@@doriangrigorie7345 yeah if he can have other people's thought why would he bother to have his own thoguhts
Yeah, Heimdall correctly perceived Atreus as a threat to Asgard, but he didn't think any further than "This person is a threat, I should neutralize this threat by killing them". Because if he had thought a little more about it, he might have asked "What will be the consequences if I kill this person?". Because in the words of Kratos, there are consequences to killing a god.
Or even how
@@doriangrigorie7345that’s what makes him an imperfect tool for Odin to use. Heimdall can see everyone's intentions and in his mind the reason and the consequences doesn’t matter to him
The whole time I was playing and he was shit-talking Atreus I kept thinking "but he's not wrong tho"
Ok
Same here man
Me too
@@gcortez2173 k
Impotent soy boys hate this type of opinion
"I prefer the petulant little boy to the staple masculine protagonist cuz I'm a fuckin f----"
He can read minds, he can tell that the character is fucked up
Isn't Heindall Clairvoyant instead of being a mind reader though?
@@mikevignola4213 Bit of both. He reads intent, both mind and body, and has foresight.
If that’s how he works then Atreus should’ve imagined himself violently mating with heimdall then imagine himself holding heimdalls hand as he births their child in agony. That would’ve shut him up I think
@@TheStraightestWhitest
Just those 3 together makes him flat out overpowered. There's no tricking him, it's insane!!
@@TheStraightestWhitest he is not clairvoyant, Heimdall is an empath, while also being able to just read people's bodies, he cannot directly read someone's mind, he reads their emotional intentions.
If i was atreus, i would just put random thoughts in my head to confuse heimdallr
I doubt it works like that, he can probably tell your real thoughts from the fake ones
@@calpone6399my mind would confused the fuck out of heimdall my thoughts bounce all over the place it’s like a fuckin trampoline park
“why are u thinking of black men dominating u?”
@@s0ggybeansncheese755 I love this comment
He sees intentions. So he'd SEE atreus trying to block him out with random stuff. Cause it'd be his intention to confuse heimdall
"To manipulate and lie to whoever you have to to get what you want" hits harder after finding out about the scrapped sinmara story line
No not showing up to Brok's funeral was enough implication
@@k_tess Im not sure if youve seen the scrapped sinmara story line then. As I said, it was scrapped so you wont just find it in the game but can find it online
@@kingkaizoku85 sinmara? Care to explain?
@@buni1934 @BUNI originally, stabbing surtr with the blades didnt work and he just died. So then we went to sinmara and atreus lied to her about surtrs death. Atreus said that odin killed surtr. This way, we manipulated sinmara into getting ragnarok and then the story plays out as normal with a little extra side mission at the end with their hearts. This is also hardly oversimplified. We also hear about atreus's dark side where he wants revenge and kratos tries to explain how revenge isnt what atreus wants. So thinking back to heimdalls speech, it feels connected. Lying and manipulating so atreus gets what he wants.
I dont have a source link but you can look it up for some more details of dialogue and sinmaras design (She has a body in the game files)
@@kingkaizoku85 another reason to hate atreus
Heimdall was mad because he saw Loki as an earlier version of himself. Heimdall is just as eager, but with a different gift. He used that gift to essentially play the role of Smithers to Odin's Mr. Burns. Heimdall was convinced, either by himself or by Odin, that there was no him without Asgard. He would rather die than have anything happen to Asgard, but he would rather see it all burn than to be replaced by Loki. Heimdall could have very easily taken his Gjallahorn, and his stump, back to Asgard and left Atreus alone. But he couldn't imagine returning to Asgard without Kratos' head. His desire for approval blinded him to the fact that he was not going to be a threat to Atreus and leave that valley alive that day.
Remember when Odin said he and Atreus make a good team? And Thor interrupted them by saying "Like you and Baldur?" I always had this feeling that Odin used this phrase a lot in order to win favors. Like this phrase alone manipulated Baldur and Heimdall to be so loyal to him. Heimdall is more likely the latest addition in order to take advantage for his ability to read minds. And I think the first one to hear this was Thor which is why he looks so depress because he never hears that anymore from Odin.
@@Erricane its odd, but shouldn't Heimdall also discover Odin's intentions?
it is said by the devs that Odin plays a role as someone you greatly want the attention of, especially your children and all of Odin's kids, including Thor try their best to please him, just to get his attention on them (in Thor's case, his approval or atleast some measure of acceptance that he is not just a tool to kill giants and anything Odin wants destroyed)
this seems to imply Odin is a neglecting father and his kids are attention/approval starved, Atreus is only approval starved but Kratos is just strict so it is different in his case.
@@m-w-y7325 I think that was why he's so loyal to Odin. Because he can't read Odin's mind and it led him to respect him and just want his attention. And it was obvious he was a neglecting father. Mimir said that Thor was taught discipline over and over again. Which caused Thor to do the same for Magni and Modi too. This meant Odin abused Thor which was how he was able to keep Thor to be loyal. Maybe Thor suffered from a trauma until he finally put down the hammer and said no.
@@Erricane "put down the hammer" truly a metaphor that cost him his life at the hands of his abuser, atleast Thor still managed to redeem, Odin got the worst end for all the shit he did to everyone.
(even Heimdall died normally and had his soul not torn asunder)
You are over analyzing whats not there. Heimdall spelt it out in this clip. He knows Atreus is there for ulterior motives and that he was playing the Trojan horse tactic. When he was losing to Kratos he kept fighting because he was mad that he was actually being looked down on and being shown Mercy. Heimdall had been around for thousands of years and had never even lost to someone let alone been hit by someone. He had his nose turned up on everyone and everything because he believed himself to be the best of the best as Odin's right hand. Kratos kicked his ass and showed him pity, that rocked his ego and pride to the core. Heimdall didn't view other people as people, he viewed them as insignificant ants and there was Kratos, an ant showing the all mighty Hiemdall mercy.
Had nothing to do with Odin's approval. He had Odin's approval because Odin let him carry the Horn. Out of everyone Odin trust Heimdall only because Heimdall had unconditional and unbreakable loyalty to Odin. He was mad because he knew Atreus was planning to betray Odin and that he wanted to defeat Odin but he could not do anything because Odin allowed Atreus safe passage. When the person you are most loyal to invites a person you know 100% plans to betray and backstab and you have to let the betrayer in, yes it would make him mad.
But somehow he never saw Odin for what he truly was.
He did...he just tolerates it cause he's an @sshole.
Odin is a master of gaslighting
@@pgarande23 *kills his own son in front of his granddaughter* 'THEY DID IT'
He did just didn't believe in he's bs
Maybe he know, thats why he serve him.
Heimdall saw it coming and thought they should stop it. Odin saw it coming and thought he could win
No... Odin didn't think he could win. He thought he would gain more knowledge. He was comfortable burning the realm to the ground for more knowledge.
Artreus: "how did you know I had questions?"
Heimdall: "I'm an empath"
“I’m gonna say it. I’m not sorry my dad blew off your arm.”
kind of like how Hermes
was right when he said “In the end Kratos, you betray only yourself” both figuratively and litterally when he stabbed himself.
you see... that's correct but then again Odin also knew but he decided to take the risk and probably felt confident that he was gonna be able to persuade Atreus to his side but things didn't go as he expected in the end
Yes it all went just as odin planned for it to go. Proof in my latest video
It's not that Odin decided to take the risk. To Odin, there was no other option than to take the risk for his own selfish ends. He said it multiple times: he had to know what came next. Atreus was the only means to that end, as there was no other Jotnar left alive (of which Odin was aware) that had the knowledge necessary to achieve the task of restoring the mask.
Odin knew what Atreus truly wanted all along, he knew Atreus lies so obviosuly he played along to his advantage. Odin lost because he was just weaker, but his plan was clean af
Atreus: Know what I see when I look at *your* mouth? Ugly golden teeth, that's what.
Insulting the homies flawless grill bro. Come now, sir, is this a gentlemanly way to conduct yourself?
@@matthewgabriele206 Atreus: Oh, sorry? Was that not good enough? Fine, how's this: You are a sadistic, arrogant, spiteful bully with a fragile ego who projects his own flaws onto other people, abuses his horned lion, and says rude things all the time... *and* you have ugly golden teeth, and ugly purple eyes, and *what's up with your skin*? You look like a knock-off version of Twilight.
Heimdall: I was born from nine mothers, cut me some slack.
@@samueldodge8077 Atreus: I'll cut you some slack when you cut Gulltoppr some slack.
21 savage teeth💀💀@@samueldodge8077
What I love about him is this. This and other conversations gives us a peek at what he feels as well. The line about Atreus being too eager to prove himself due to the father figure thing can relate to Heimdall. He is essentially replacing Baldur, a son Odin respects somewhat more than Thor and the grandchildren. He's got big shoes to fill.
He replaced Him for Years Then. I feel Thor Back when Baldur was Alive Looked like His Gow 4 Version( In His Prime)and Would have been Way More Powerful than Gow R Thor.
After hearing heimdall’s dialogue a second time, he was spitting some facts about Atreus
I hate Atreus. In a God of War down the line, I can see Kratos killin his own son.
Heimdall is like Hao Asakura, he has tremendous insight into all people that he cannot turn off, and it has made him cynical due to reading their unfiltered intent. The main difference is that Heimdall uses that knowledge to react to current troubles, rather than ponder over it and employ subtlety.
shaman king reference love to see it
Master of spirits was a top tier gba game
This was the single best summation of Heimdall that I've read.
Very not-godly of him. Another fail by santa monica. You can tell me it's 'subversion' of wisdom all you want, you'd be the first to say it anyway, but I don't care. Subversiom is the new cliche
Damn, that's the first time I've seen someone talk about Shaman King. You, sir, are a true man of culture.
Heimdall sees all at a glance, but doesn't see deeper. He threatens Atreus and plans to kill him, not thinking of the consequence. His death gives Kratos the tool to bring Ragnarok.
Heimdall didnt seem to know who Kratos is, so obviously there wast much of a consequence to him. He knew Kratos is a god but thats all
@@doriangrigorie7345 he knew who Kratos was and what he did, his arrogance in his own abilities just led him to underestimate the Ghost of Sparta as another foreign god who was way in over his head.
not realy, if atreus would die, baldur wouldnt be released from his curse, loki would die and prophecy would be broken, kratos would die against a undying baldur, and i dont think kratos would even would reach that point to be killed by baldur, i think he would die way earlier. in the end if baldur dont die, ragnarok wouldnt be possible. i know kratos is strong, very strong at that too, but in end Asgardian's are on a whole different level then greeks and some of them can solo whole greek pantheon. in the end, even if one of top powerhouse of asgard was decisive this would end waaaaay earlier. heimdall was right, he should have killed atreus.
If Heimdall didnt plan on killing Atreus, the fates wouldn't have told Kratos, which caused him to plan to kill him, and him getting the horn starting the war. Heimdall like Odin said doesnt think his actions through and how they effect everything. You could argue instead of him being "right" he guaranteed war. But because of his nature and arrogance he was set the path and the end.
It's kind of stupid for Heimdall that instead of guarding the bridge to Asgard like he should, He launch an offense on Kratos. Heimdall ability is to work with people, however he's too stupid to use his own ability to its full potential instead of playing chess with everyone mind like anyone with this ability should be, he doesn't play the game and crush the chess board instead. Ironically, His mind is his own downfall, everything he decide by himself are mistake from ambush Kratos to spitting at Kratos mercy.
Exactly, he may be right, but too bad he's dead. Intelligence without wisdom.
He see so much so he’s blinded by the bigger picture, he see Atreus is a threat so he must be eliminated but doesn’t see the consequences of such action, the return of the ghost of spartan
That's the problem, if Heimdall hadn't been so arrogant, he could've been a force for good that his people needed. Of course, the same could be said of all of the Aesir, especially Odin.
So they saw themselves as the good "noble" guys "saving" (kidnapping) people from all the realms to "live"(as hostages/meatshields/workers/slaves) and work for them despite all the secret backstabbings and wars Odin made Thor do and Mimir plan towards all the realms and all that only because Odin made his realm basically most top VIP place ever until Heimdall didn't leave the key to all realms at home.
In Marvel Comics they are Good mostly
Odin didn't care about being good. He cared about the mountain of knowledge others have, and seek for it at every cost. It's like a person envy of everyone else for something he doesn't have, and in Odin's case, it's knowledge and power. And the Aesir gods, except Tyr and Mimir, were thoroughly manipulated by Odin to become his pawns, or didn't have the guts to go against him
When he was talking about Atreus, he was unknowingly talking about himself, as well.
From an asgardian pov you can’t really hate on heimdall he was right and his job is to protect Asgard. Atreus was there start ragnorak and ended up destroying Asgard
Sure you can, if Heimdall didn't threaten Aterus's life there would have been no Ragnorak. As the Norns said "There is no grand design. No script. Only the choices you make" and every choice Heimdall made furthered Ragnorak. Hell at the end all he had to do was swallow his pride and accept Kratos's mercy. But he couldn't instead he intentionally provoked a man he KNEW killed a pantheon of gods.
Yeah, the important part he missed was his role in it.
@@keeperofnecronomicon are we forgetting Loki went to Asgard and immediately thought habit back stabbing and killing Odin, Heimdall isn’t really all that bad he was deceived by Odin.
@@keeperofnecronomicon In the same way, if Atreus wasn't trying to start Ragnarok because he got in his head that he was meant to be a "Champion", none of that would happen either. The Norns are kinda up their own asses, they predicted Kratos would die and Atreus was going to die to Heimdall, and both times they failed.
@@ggwp638BC No they never predicted Heimdall would kill Atreus, they said Kratos would learn that Heimdall intends to kill Atreus and then he would kill Heimdall.
Kratos tried to show him mercy, but Heimdall rejected his pity and openly declared he was definitely going to kill his son.
0:48 the most ironic part of what he says here is that he's describing Odin to a tee.
Everything that transpired was entirely his fault. If he would've taken a different stance towards Atreus or was able to just bury his pride until Kratos left, the Gjallarhorn would've remained with him and unused. He Heralded Ragnarok, just not the way everyone imagined. Odin nailed it best "sometimes he just forgets to think".
To be fair, he new Atreus' thoughts. In a secret dialogue, he saw that Atreus changed his view on Asgard. Heimdall did nothing wrong. All he did was call Atreus and Thrud names. Heimdall's job is literally to keep people out of Asgard. Odin can literally teleport Atreus into Asgard, so Heimdall would have been justified. He was just doing his job the entire time.
@@lekacious3529 If he hadn't planned to kill Atreus, he'd still be alive and the horn would still be in his possession.
Heimdallr: Why does the letter “O” always seem to pop into your mind whenever you lay your eyes on Thrud?
Atreus: You wouldn’t get it.
Thrud would destroy puny atreus.
Atreus is a weakling.
@@cringekiller348wrong “circle”
"You are here to manipulate people to get what you want"
This coming from Odin's lapdog?
To me, this just further reinforces the fact that Atreus is Odin.
We already saw him manipulating Surtr by downplaying his wife, Sinmara.
He lied to Odin.
Lied to Thor about Kratos.
Lied to Angrboda when she met him in Muspelheim.
He hid things from his father, like meeting Freya, finding Tyr, Ironwood, etc;.
He stole the scroll on Gjallarhorn.
He's skilled with magic.
He's also seeking answers, and he's even blindly rushing into fate to find them.
He hid the fact that he knew Brok died.
He ran away.
He wanted war.
The list just goes on and on.
Atreus has done so many things throughout this game that raise a lot of questions.
The fact is, Atreus and Odin look very alike, especially if you look at the painting of young Odin in his library. Odin and Atreus are the same people. Atreus at some point in his future mastered magic, and became extraordinarily powerful. He got sent back in time somehow and he had nothing to do apart from killing Ymir so that he could create the realms. Atreus built and built the Nine Realms, but it all led back to the mask. The mask he once threw away as a child, now something that can bring him back to where he came from. Bring him back to his family.
The fact of the matter is, this franchise has a habit of changing around fate, making it greatly misinterpreted by the viewer. Kratos thought he was the one to die. It wasn't him, it was Odin. I think the whole "kratos dies, then atreus serves odin" prophecy is just a metaphor for how Atreus becomes Odin.
Does bro have beef with Atreus?
@@The_scrongler1978 No, Atreus is one of my favourite characters. However, it’s quite clear to me that he is not a good person.
He seemed genuinely happy to answer a simple question like, how did he know He had questions and seemed really upset knowing the next question wouldn’t be something so simple
I can just imagine Heimdall trying to read Deadpool.
Heimdall: “ why are you being sus around me?”
"I'm not sure which is more incoherent; Your constant mindless rambling, or that disorganized mess you call your thoughts."
"Ha! He said thots."
He'll die
Didn't Proffesor X (might forgot his actual name) do that in a comic, after which he then killed himself?
Even thinking about it is funny 😂😂😂
Maturing is realizing that Heimdall is not a villain
He supported a tyrant.
that's the most childish belief. He's cartoonishly evil
@@terrapvphe isnt evil per say.
Just incredibly stupid.
Edit: never mind, you are correct.
@@terrapvphes just that older brother who picks on you because he can’t live up to his own fathers demands. So he belittles anyone he can to feel a little better about himself.
No, maturing is realizing Hiemdal was simple minded and could only see the 'what' and not the 'why'
also everything is Heimdall's fault, as if he just stayed down and did not threaten to kill the BOI in front of Kratos then Kratos would have spared him.
Heimdall reads thoughts and intentions of other people . He was able to dodge kratos because kratos was thinking about hitting him with power and strength. After that he just started doing it instinctively so heimdall couldn't read his thoughts - as there weren't any . he was relying on his instincts.
I don't like that explanation b/c no skilled fighter is 'thinking' in that sense during a fight, against another skilled opponent you don't have time. So that implies he never fought anyone skilled
Heimdall was very clearly reading Kratos' thoughts and makes it clear several times during the fight and cutscenes. The "empty head" line is just dissing. Heimdall knew exactly what Kratos was going to do, but got outmatched entirely. It doesn't matter that he knows what is coming if he isn't fast enough to dodge.
@@ggwp638BC Can't dodge a bullet if its point blank kinda thing.
People say this but the game never confirms this
@@TheAcidicMolotov It is confirmed by process of elimination. The spear was a weapon that Kratos had trained with since a child, it brought the concept of instinct to the fore. That was the entire point of the spear, to introduce intuition/instinct in order to subvert Heimdall's foresight, removing the element of conscious thought. This was proven to be his power when Thor told Heimdall to look into his eyes, Thor glancing at the arrow, and Heimdall quickly throwing it aside. Heimdall didn't know what was going to happen until Thor consciously thought about what he was going to do with that arrow.
We can rationally conclude that Heimdall's power is to read conscious thought (i.e. intentions). Therefor, we can rationally conclude that intuition and instinct, neither of which are elements of conscious thought, are the methods with which to counter Heimdall's defense.
We can refer to Eric Williams in the IGN interview when he stated that Heimdall's power is, *_"if you could always see what people's intentions are."_* So, that replaces the need to prove Heimdall's actual power. The most logical conclusion is that Kratos, by Heimdall's own admission, was fighting with intuition/instinct instead of intent. Heimdall couldn't comprehend that such a degree of training was capable that would permit the release of conscious thought during battle. That is why he shouted that it was pure luck and referred to the empty head. It was derogatory language against the pure battle intuiton that Kratos was utilizing. He was incredulous.
Everything reinforces that Heimdall lost because Kratos was in a battle trance, which was further reinforced by the means and manner in which Kratos killed him. Kratos had a singular, overriding will during that fight: prevent Heimdall from harming Atreus.
Remember that him being "twisted" and "manipulative" almost perfectly describes loki
He doesn't even act cocky in his own way he just acts cocky because he knows truth and says it
"Skyrim"
he was not, wanting to kill Atreus was the driving factor for Kratos killing him, assuring the start of Ragnarok.
Heimdall sees the present, not the future.
Heimdall was my favorite and Asgard wasnt the same without him.
Heimdall was a right about everything except for the last part "nothing good will come from you being in asgard"
Bro roasted him bruh
😂😂
You don't know Atreus yet, he is growing
If he can see people for who they truly are, how come he never saw Odin for who he truly was?
He probably did but never wanted to accept the truth of his father.
Bro thats odin, he probably made sure Heimdall cant read his mind
@@darkimperator2540 really? I figured Odin's oversized ego, would not keep his mind clear.
Odin isnt the bad guy. My latest video proves this
@cookingwithkratos man literally abused his family, used his own children as pawns, didn't actually care when any of them died beyond their use to him and Ragnarok genuinely would not have happened if the man just stopped. Even if he truly believed that what he was doing was for the benefit of everyone (which I doubt. He only cared about his own benefit and it shows ALOT through the game) he's not a good person simply because of how he treated people and how his actions lead to multiple genocides, and through it all he never cared about the loss of life or suffering he caused. Only that his ass was covered
He literally described everything Odin is
He would snitch to Thor about me, Sif would be living in my head rent free
Heimdall only looks at the negative sides of a person. Never the full picture
You gotta give the actors props for the effort.
Anyone notice how Heimdall was kind of describing himself in the beginning?
Incorrect. Heimdall was wrong. He said nothing good would come from Loki being in Asgard. The result was that the eight remaining realms were free of the meddling and oppression of Odin and Asgard. What he should have said was that nothing good for him would come from Loki being in Asgard. But he's so arrogant that he probably thinks what's good for him is all that matters.
Yeah well the whole plot in God of War is people fulfilling prophecies by trying to stop them, so his overconfidence in his predictions killed him
He was right Atreus is disrespectful and he gets on my nerves. He’s the reason all this shit happened because of him wanting to go on adventures to find who he is and constantly fussing at his father
Just keep thinking about Heimdall x Reader fanfictions to confuse the hell out of him. Being a weirdo works on bullies.
Love the chaos line
Pretty confident Atreus will become a villain down the road.
Ok but why tho.
I don’t think he’ll be a villain but I do think he’ll have some kind of “revenge arc” like Kratos back in the day. The difference being that Atreus would stop himself, realizing he was becoming the very thing Kratos wished for him not to be. Instead of slaughter, Atreus would lead the oppressed to improve and overthrow their oppressors themselves
I can never really hate Heimdall in the end, he just want to protect his home and his family from the goblin looking child.
He was right in the way that dropping a cinderblock on your own foot hurts.
In the bar in the big wood house you can talk to heimdall he reveals that he hates liars, because they lie to everyone even themselves. That's why he is so honest and hateful sounding he would rather you truly hate him than you pretending to like him. :(
Nah, Heimdall was wrong about Atreus. His shortsightedness and arrogance is what sets ragnarok into motion. Like how the Norns said, it is his nature, he cannot change
For a god that can read people's intentions, he done a very poor job at seeing what a monster Kratos could be.
The all seeing, all knowing heimdall, defeated by poppy spears. What a legacy LOOOOOOOOOL
Poppy spears and the God who used them to hem him in so he could figure out exactly how he would react. And then proceeded to disrupt his block and deck him in the face.
Let's be real, you don't have to be a clairvoyant to know people have agendas. Every time there's a mind/intent-reading character like Heimdall, they're always jaded and cynical because they can see the """true part""" of a person. But he's not sEcReTlY rIgHt; every person alive has dark and immoral impulses, which may or may not be acted upon. It's why I'm never impressed by these mind-reading archetypes, not because they act smug and superior, but they really have no compelling statements besides "peepul bad >:((((" Which is such a totally reductive sentiment that it actually makes clairvoyants look far less smarter than what they're presented as.
Heimdall distrust with artues is base on norse mythology
Heimdall hatred loki and i do love how they reflocted this hatred.
“Nothing good”? Yeah, cause killing Odin, saving the midgardians and probably some asgardians, and probably sparing all the 9 realms from “the shortcut to knowledge” that was the Giant’s mask.
I’ll say Atreus was a very smart fellow in this game, he got off it with VERY GOOD results.
Smh
@@cookingwithkratos Nothing good from Heimdall's pov. Dead family, destroyed home, death for himself.
Atreus mouth moves: Cities burn
Kratos arms move: Pantheons burn
💀
Well it is his job to be right. He’s heimdall
Atreus turned Sindri Cold. That man ain't scared of nothing anymore.
Yeah he has a point. He's also lying. Heimdall hates everyone, he doesn't protect Asgard cause he cares about anyone in it. He does it cause its a cushy job with a ton of perks
There are no perks to his job, even Odin didn't seem to care for Heimdall...and he is not a liar unlike Odin, you clearly didn't understand his character one bit if you thought he was lying in this scene.....he spoke the harsh truth and even atreus knew it, since he said so in his journal.....go back and play the game again.
@@AntiDegenerate1971 He is lying cause from this point onwards he shows how little he cares for anyone else in Asgard. Everyone is beneath him and he shows that through constant belittlement, one upmanship and insults. Hell he even tells Atreus that he doesn't like anyone because he can read their intentions and says it shows him that everyone is dishonest, that they put on a face to manipulate him and Odin. And to a degree he's right but that only further makes my point that he hates everyone around him, his ability makes him see the worst in everyone. I mean shit Heimdall abuses the people around him as much as Odin does, probably more since he doesn't try to dress it up and is just up front with how much he thinks literally everyone is beneath him.Odin multiple times referred to Heimdall as irreplaceable. He talked down to Heimdall but Odin talked down to everyone, Odin used everyone. And finally Heimdall's job, was to sit at home and watch Asgard's border, and Asgard is a secure place that never sees any threat, Atreus climbing the wall was very much an unusual event, so Heimdall's job is to watch a border that someone broke into once? Sound like a cushy job to me. Heimdall is the spoiled rich kid who always got everything he ever wanted, never had to actually work for anything a day in his life, and never got reprimanded whenever he acted like a brat or abusesd the people around him.
@@warhawk9566 wrong analysis
@@warhawk9566 you clearly did not understand the point of this character
@@AntiDegenerate1971 so replaying the game and thought of this convo. And I did have a slight misunderstanding. Heimdall isn't lying here you're right. He's projecting. All of his negative traits he's projecting onto Atreus. Entitled? Disrespectful? Impulsive? Eager to prove himself? Overshadowing father figure he can never live up too? Yeah some of those traits apply to Atreus but can you genuinely look at Heimdall and say he doesn't share every single one of those same traits? It's something Heimdall does with everyone, projects his insecurities onto them and uses his foresight to give an impression of superiority.
He was right maybe but it was at the very same time his fault because he had the opportunity to not Kratos have the horn and he messed that up
Heimdall is partly right about things and partly pompous/exaggerated. There's no denying he was gifted but more importantly: 1. He's not as strong as he thinks he is. 2. His cockyness is his own worst enemy.
Well, the belief about himself was in his own right. Mimir said "i never seen anyone lie a finger on him, not even once". If Baldur was invincible, Heimdall was untouchable
He's right because he unintentionally caused all of it. They wouldn't even have ghjallahorn it the prick just didn't provoke the man who was fully intending on sparing him if he didn't threaten the kid
heimdall was right all along. Atreus main goal just want the prophecies came true and become a champion of jotnar. Without realized what he would sacrifice for that.
I still enjoyed wiping that smirk off his face.
Since my first game i agreed on this to Heimdall
Imagine what not being a douche would have done
Hot take, it was a mistake to kill Heimdall
His character was too interesting to the series to be taken out but of course Freya, Thor's wife, and his daughter and basically all the girls that were introduced in this game gets to stay around while nearly every guy introduced in this one dies.
I agree that i would have liked to see more of his character but- What do the girls have to do with it☠️ Bruhh u just threw that out there😭
@@_kittenpawzz I'm pointing out how in a series where we use to kill everyone gods man or woman
It's odd now that Kratos only really kill the male gods, despite him wanting to be better and all that, even though many of the female ones has done similar horrible stuff to him. Like Freya constantly trying to kill him and his son, etc. But they don't even really get at least a beatdown or anything.
But guys like Odin, Thor's sons, Heimdall(who is basically a child mind you, doesn't seem that far in age from the other children), all get axe'd with little mercy or real consequences and most move on.
It's just odd the shift, and the Valkries don't count they're literal DLC filler. That might as well count as non-canon as no one mentions them or what Kratos did to them.
“I watch your mouth move & see cities burning”!
I liked Heimdal. Even in his last fight he never acted like a coward and gave his all.
I found it weird how just for the few small moments it took for those last lines to leave his lips, Heimdall seemed genuinely….. concerned? Worried?
Make sense, I mean, he really likes the place, and let's be honest, Asgard in the mythology of that game is the best place to live, apart from the fact that he grew up there.
*Proceeds to defeat Odin, free all the realms, put a new God of Peace in place to ensure it's continued success"
Heimdall really couldn't have been more wrong.
Well he did get their after inadvertently killing the people they worked so hard to save, lying to everyone, and trying so hard to get a warrior he didn’t see the imposter, but that’s just a fact. A GAME fact😂😂😂😂
Heimdall was right at the moment. Also, he fucked up a LOT of shit on his way to doing the right call.
Well yeah. Aside from Asgard getting obliterated and many people dying in the process, yeah. Things worked out.
Heimdall was referring to Asgard. The only place he cares about. And considering the events of Ragnarök you see clearly that Heimdall was correct on everything he said
Plus nobody knew at that time that Ragnarök only destroyed Asgard. Meaning Atreus’s intentions would’ve affected all of the Nine Realms. And that’s what Heimdall would see in him
There's nothing like a sassy asshole saying something philosophical and plot twisting dark secret before his death at the end of a story
wow, I did NOT see that coming
Like It Or Not Heimdall Was Right All Along - Heimdall
I tried to tell everybody. Nobody wanted to believe him because he bullies kids or someshit but literally in the war innocent people were killed and had their houses burnt down all because Atreus couldn't mind his damn business 😭 he lied to everybody to get answers. And he still didn't get the answers in the end
god of war seems to foreshadow everything. Every conversation seems to have meaning for the future or maybe the next game.
everything he just said, felt like he was talking about odin
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Heimdall: You are chaos in a spiffy archer suit !
Atreus: Chaos is a ladder..
Heimdall: What?
Atreus: What ?
Technically heimdall is correct. Cause Loki is the god of mischief and tricks and always think different and get out of trouble where he is.
While that is true, the way the devs crafted the story favors a theory among scholars that Loki is somewhat out of place in Norse mythology since there's no pre-Christian depictions of Loki, everything we know about him comes from the Prose Edda and Poetic Edda which were written after Scandinavia was Christianized and so Loki's depiction there is through a highly biased Christian lens, and there's a lot of missing mythological context for stuff like Baldr's death and if Loki was probably a manifestation of Odin himself, since Odin's just as much a trickster and deceiver as Loki is.
What a cringe comment that you writed it down man, get a life
Baldur: and here i thought my family was fcked
Hiemdall:well u were right
That’s how kratos defeated heimdall. He wasn’t thinking when he was fighting and heimdall didn’t know what to expect at that point.
But the thing is, Heimdall doesn't only read minds. He reads your intentions and has the ability of Foresight. He's basically seeing your future as you fight!
I think Kratos was simply more faster and stronger than Heimdall, so he ends up overwhelming Heimdall as they fight.
@@baligong3592 Pretty spot on for what Brok said, you have to overwhelm his senses and that’s when you can lay your hands on him
@@baligong3592 He would die if he read Deadpool's Mind
@@ShadowJCreed I think Kratos would still kill Him without the Spear. I don't think He is as Powerful as Baldur.
heimdall just tried fixing it the wrong way. he was right but his solution of killing atreus was ultimately asgards downfall.
Yeah. Well. He can be correct in hell.
Heimdall got that lightskin stare on the thumbnail
That may be true but I think nobody was willing to give Heimdall the satisfaction because he was such an asshole about having to be right about everything. For being in such a comfortable position, he doesn't get much respect, not even from Odin.
I wonder how Heimdall haven't seen these in Odin
Heimdall was my favorite character hands down, other than kratos and boy of course.
He should’ve also seen his death before and avoided fighting Kratos
Was Heimdall one of the gods who set Freya’s brother on fire?
I believe yes. When freya and kratos were in vanahaim, right before the battle started heimdall made fun of freyr and called him"sizzle wasn't hot the last time i saw him"
of course he was right. odin even told him, he is.
Heimdall was right, but is too shortsighted exactly like Odin said, if he didn't plan to kill Atreus, Kratos wouldn't have made Draupnir, Heimdall wouldn't have died, and Gallahorn wouldn't be taken and used in Ragnarok
Lightskin stare thumbnail