LGBT Veterans Refuse to Wear Badge Until the Government Pays Them Compensation
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Ex-RAF officer Steve Purves was jailed for 6 months over his relationship with a male colleague. Homosexuality was decriminalised in the UK in 1967 but a ban continued in the armed forces until 2000. LGBT veterans have been awarded a special badge to mark the injustice they faced, but say they will refuse to wear it until the government pays them compensation.
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The penalty meted out was equal to treason. How horrible a thing to happen. The errant records should be expunged and destroyed, and rights and pension restored, with compensation for imprisonment and discrimination. Wrongful imprisonment is commonly a 1,500 a day claim for us.
ABSOLUTELY!!!
He should also get all the income he otherwise would've earned had he continued in the RAF until retirement age- as well as reinstating his pension benefits.
I served nearly 12 years in the RAF as a gay man. I loved my time but the constant stress of being caught as had a life long affect on my life. I left in 97 and am still not out in my workplace. I just don’t trust people who have power over me. I’m very straight acting and men assume I’m straight and I’ve heard so much homophobic comments aimed at other people. It never ends.
My heart goes out to you.
Keep your head up and be strong.
When we speak of stolen valour, we forget the instances like this where honourable men had their valour stolen from them.
As a non-LGBT veteran, I agree with this stance.
As a gay veteran I thank you.
@@jimjames4348 no need, but thank you.
Thank You for those Kind Words .
these men should be compensated and the defence force should do a televised apology
I can remember working in the 1970s when homosexuality for men was a crime. I experienced fear of being found out. Also the negative homophobia was horrible. I never heard anything positive.
Are you Scottish? I believe it was still a crime in Scotland until 1981.
@stephenroney2366 No I'm a New Zealander. It was a crime here until 1986.
I served in the RAF 1979 to 1982. When I initially joined I hadn't realised my sexuality, it wasn't until later. I had a brilliant sergeant who supported me, after he was questioned by MPs, he asked if I was gay and warned me about what was happening. He advised me to buy myself out, which I did. I loved my time in the service, I was very bitter for a very long time about the worry and stress that I had gone through until the day I finally left. The MPs at that time were evil, cruel and sadistic 😡
For these guys to have their service and bravery thrown back in their faces over something so insignificant is plain wrong.
Best of luck to these British heroes
Disgusting behaviour from our armed services, as a straight male I feel ashamed that anyone could be treated like this.
This is a comlete disgrace. Those poor people, who basically had their lives destroyed, despite offering their lives for freedom.
I applied to the R.A.F. in 1992. Passed the medical, exams and interviews. But, I was asked to reapply in six months as I had been treated for depression.
Six months later I came out, and figured that I wasn'tt going to reapply. If they wanted us to put ourselves on the line for our country, but not respect our personal lives? They could go and 🖕
Gay guys have been in the army from ancient times, good luck gentlemen
Unfortunately it wasn’t just the armed forces that discriminated. Just remembering my first job after leaving school, I was terrified of being found out. That was the early 70’s in Manchester. Everything changed when I moved to London. Still passed over for promotion though on many occasions for being gay. 70 now and retired with my partner of 52 years to South West France.
I had interviews to join the Air Force in 1986. I didn’t progress as I knew I was gay and I knew what the consequences were if I was found out.
It’s appaling having been courtmarshalled for whom your better half is, but it’s a national disgrace these kind of cheap compensations for this kind of belittling and bullying into poverty and shame.
This is really heartbreaking.
Wishing you all strength
But if they had affairs with multiple women they would have been patted on the back.
Giving them a badge is the governments way of saying we are broke. How about a coupon.
For Queen and cuntry!
Love the spelling there😊
Journalists please note: Male homosexual acts were not, not, NOT decriminalised in 1967! The Act of that year provided a defence to a charge composed of three limbs: Consent, in private, over 21. ALL three limbs had to be established by the accused. When the age of majority was reduced to 18, the age of consent was kept at 21.
He deserves compensation plus interest, pain and suffering and the jobs it cost him because of it. As should everyone else who went through that
Same way in the US for years after
Just unbelievable!
The great U.K. ! Sick
Good for Britain!!❤ If only America can get it right.
If it weren't for the ban I would have joined up in the 90s.
It won’t undo the wrongs and pain but adequate and fitting compensation including pensions (including back pay back to the 80’s), interest, pain and suffering etc needs to be paid to these heroes who served their nation and served with allies like my country immediately. Wishing you all the best from Australia guys. Craig
Am gay and have a partner he is the best thing to happen to me i give him my last penny we been together for 14 years
Like you I'd also give my partner my last penny. One little thing, we will have been together 50 years next April.
Shameful
Every journey forward begins with the first step .... It's a beginning ..... but needs to go beyond where it is at the moment
So do they get their pensions and benefits back?? Cos if not the badge means jack!
BRAVO 2 ZERO....SUMS IT UP....very very sad.
Would we award a medal to a serviceman or woman, and then allow all and sundry to apply for it?
I think not. But that is what is happening right before our eyes.
Those never subjected to the ban on being gay and serving in HM Forces, such as trans veterans or serving personnel, are now welcome to a free for all ribbon, on the backs of our lifelong suffering and fight for justice at great expense to our health and finances.
No doubt they will all be wearing this ribbon and marching at Pride events in uniform, to show us just what we would have had had we not been discriminated against.
This is nothing but a watering down of our lifelong struggle.
They are being handed out not in remembrance of those dismissed under the ban - whom Lord Etherton said should be a priority, but to anyone and everyone that happens to apply.
I might try and get one for my wife and two rescue cats too, on the grounds that they too were 'affected' by the ban - which is the new military charity term for deliberately writing into the history books those of us who experienced the worst abuse and whom were actually dismissed.
It will look good on them all as they are all dark haired.
So those who had something of a career, got a pension or are sat in their golf clubs wearing their blazers and enjoying military reunions, can wear this ribbon whilst those of us this was supposed to recognise have none of this.
Would we do that to a service man or woman who earned a medal, recognise them and then allow anyone not on that operation to apply and get one?
I think not.
Little wonder that a deluge of court cases by dismissed veterans, will rightly be lodged.
The Queen is responsible for reparations.
I Hope His Majesty the King has this Brought to His Attention in Particular the Many Personnel Who have Taken their own Life After been Booted out of the Services .
Ridiculous and incorrect comment. Whilst all legislation is enacted in the monarch's name it is the government of the day that passes the act. The monarch, purely as the Head of State 'ceremoniously' sign it into law. He or She has in practice no option but to so do.
@@user-ee6oq8uv6d What about Crown Prince Edward??
@@leeconaghan9555 What about Prince Edward, Duke of Edinburgh?????? He is not the Crown Prince, in fact this title does not exist in the UK nor in any of the Royal Realms such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand and approximately 11 others. The title Crown Prince is used by many European countries to denote the heir to the throne. In the UK and Commonwealth the heir to the throne is known as just that. The title Prince of Wales is usually the title bestowed by the current monarch on his eldest son but a new title will have to be used should the eldest child, in the future, be a female. Perhaps it will be Princess of Wales but this has yet to be decided. I venture to suggest that you are not a citizen of the UK nor of any of the Royal Realms as they would know this. I do wish that people like you who know little of nothing about the UK and Commonwealth would refrain from commenting on these matters.
Absolute disgrace
Thank you for that. SEAN DHONNCHAIDH
reminds me of that movie The Imitation Game.
lol, been a while since I’ve seen GMB. Susanna clearly been on the Ozempic.
Sorry, but don't chew gum when in conversation. Please.
Recruits were always asked at the medical and later on. They all knew that it was illegal, but they lied. Why join the armed forces if you knew it was illegal?
Because you want to serve your country?
Erm....because of wanting a rewarding career while serving your country and saving your fellow citizens?
Some Younger ones may not have known D. A.!
But they should NEVER have been asked the question. It’s irrelevant who someone is sleeping with. It wasn’t their business. Infringement of liberty and privacy.
I would say your statement is of false equivalence in response, because that law was ethically reprehensible in the first place.
People need to live their lives. Just because someone or group of arseholes make a law making something illegal doesn't mean it is just. Let's make an unrelated but in principle comparison. Say, alcohol was illegal. You and most would think, "what's wrong with a little tipple?" You would break the law. You would break the law because you would see that law as so much out of proportion and violation of your rights to choose for yourself over something that has been found in nature and consumed for millennia. Let's say, washing machines are now illegal. Will you stop using one? (Probably have it under some canvas 😅)
Someone's sexuality is innate. Enough is known from scientific research, like fraternal birth order, and observations documented from nature, like studies from sheep; to know. People have been living in the closet from all walks of life. You get a job... Do you stop living because others wish it so? Even when it's in the law?
Different times, different rules.
It wasnt even that long ago lol when you say different times different rules I think like 1800s 🤣
Cheers Geoff
Doesn’t make it ok, childish
My wife had to leave the forces so she could get married. She is not asking for any payments as that was the rules and regulations at that time. You know the conditions of service when you sign up, so you joined up illegally.
But the European Court of human rights deemed the ban unlawful so what the armed forces were doing was illegal.
The legality doesn’t matter, the law itself is inherently against one’s humans rights, what your wife chooses not to do is of no relevance
Cry harder, someone might actually look at you ... .
So what that was the law you knew what it was or you knew the culture before going in there. 🎉
Grow up.
@@jimjames4348 Next time before you make a comment think about an actual sentence, make a point at the very least.
You don't even deserve a one word reply, let alone a sentence. Thank the lord we live in these times where your opinion means nothing anymore 😂😂😂
@@JZ-21167-TD It was the law of that time and the culture thats FACT ! Nobody attacked you, stop being a victim.
An unjust law ought to be questioned and challenged.
It's like asking a black person before the abolition "you knew that this was the law" but that doesn't make the law any more worthy of being respected.
Jesus approves?✌🏼❤️
Stop imposing on people that don't believe the same thing as you. Be quiet & stay in your lane.
@@GG-mu4wg a question is not imposing. Sorry ✌🏼❤️
@@ilyasVaGod is the only person who can judge not you focus on yourself troll
@@Mel87y how ironic of you, calling me a troll ✌🏼❤️
@ilyasVa Get help, troll
We all with you good luck
Not good then to be q ŕ
Whiny grifters
The soldiers??
Go flip that burger patty, sweetie, and show some respect!!
@@AlBundyOz Yeah being a soldier doesn't give anyone a pass. Maybe you should get that burger out of your mouth, and think for yourself instead of genuflecting and virtue signalling.
No religion tolerances with depravity
The army is not a religious order.
@@jimjames4348Exactly.
Why did they join, knowing it was illegal? (They were always asked during joining up.)
That’s irrelevant. They should never have been asked. It’s no-one’s business. Even asking the question is disrespectful.
Surprising the stuff that went on back then, all normal then, but so different now. They also discharged women if they fell pregnant.
Waaaa waaaaa!
God old days bring them back
How would it affect you? You wouldn't last a day in the army.
@@jimjames4348difficult to say I’m not gay
@@caehughes440 I am, and I had a long career in the army too. If you were in front of me face to face you'd be the most respectful, politest little boy in Great Britain, I promise you.
Godawful days, let's not!
@@jimjames4348 I don’t think so very scary ..
You be the one who’s scared
Compensation,what a woke programme
Define woke
@@sparklingwater1430 racial injustice,discrimination and social inequalities in other words made up from the hard left hope that answers your reply
Shush!
@@AlBundyOz why? Because you said so,yeah I’m gonna take notice
@@terryolekszy9486 likewise. Right back at ya. Blah blah waaaaaaa