Disney VS Howard The Duck | Rude Donald Duck?
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- Howard the Duck is one of Marvel Comic's lesser known characters but he is loved by his fans and has a colourful history with Disney. Disney was quite concerned that Howard looked like Donald Duck. What did they do about it? Find out here on Casually Comics.
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Talking of creative revenge, there's also Tony Isabella and Hanna Barbera. When the latter wanted Black Lightning for Super friends, but couldn't reach agreement with him, they ripped him off with the character Black Vulcan. Same origin and powers, different costume [Black Vulcan can be seen in the Lego Batman movie. One of the dancers at the fortress of solitude party]. So in the next Black Lightning story, Tony Isabella made the villain unscrupulous corporate mogul Barbara Hanna, who came to a nasty end.
oh yeah! The other day I saw a photo of that Black Vulcan and was shocked that it wasn't Black Lightning. That it was a rip off makes sense.
And as an inverse to the Howard story, they removed Black Lightning's pants to create Black Vulcan!
@@BenChanNYC Pants or no pants, that is the defining quality of any character XD
We demand Howard be off white or yellowish as Donald is pure white. Colorism amongst ducks. Et tu Disney? 😅
Somehow... not surprising.
It was like Disney was getting concerned over nothing.
Well that’s kinda weird lately. As Donald in the 2017 Ducktales series is more of a off-white color 😅🤷♂️.
A fascinating tale, a duck tale!...I'll see myself out.
Makes me wonder if a weird Howard and Ducktales crossover is possible 🤔🤷♂️.
@@kaylemathewcomendador6964 it is possible, and they can now dig on themselves since Disney owns the title now.
We can have Howard throwing a fit about Donald( or the kids) not wearing pants when he was forced to.
Duck tales? Whoo-oo
And then....Pantasy....of course we don't really talk about the 3rd, 4th, and 5th sequels...they were really just shorts.
Everyone just likes the "Pants at bold mountain" segment.
Pantasia could have been a magical journey that introduced his panted rat.
I forgot Howard the Duck was a thing. They should use him more lol. Also surprised this is only your first time covering him lol. The Whim Machine is truly a unpredictable beast
Mickey: Ah ha! We're family here, mess with my family, and what i'll do to you, the words haven't been invented yet. Oh look, it doesn't seem like we have problem anymore, now how about you join my family and make me some goddamn money! Ah ha!
I can totally read this in Mickey's voice and it's terrifying. A+
That's why Mickey is a Virgo, but he has a Scorpio Ascendant.
I feel like Disney is still restricting Howard in some ways, it was around the time they took over Beverly Switzler stopped appearing in Howard the Duck comics. It's shame because if I was a writer for Marvel Comics the first thing I'd want to do would be write a comic about their son. He's unaware of his true parentage and the Duckworlder DNA dosen't kick in till his teenage years. One day he's a normal teenager then all of a sudden he's growing feathers and his feet are turning webbed.
It be cool to see a Disney/Marvel crossover similar to DC/Hanna Barbera.
I want that to happen so bad!! Lol the Looney Tunes and Hanna Barbera/DC crossovers were so great and I was so not expecting that.
DC also did Loony Tunes crossovers.
Surprised they haven't. Then again, the House of Mouse is very specific about the image it wants to portray and Marvel is arguably not fitting that bill
Tony Ibraham nah i think it’s bc they do it in the games it’s easier to do it in the games bc you can do stop motion games and not one shot panels
@@tonyibraham5931 But the Avengers were in Disney's cartoon, Phineas and Ferb.
Howard the Ducktales Woohoo!
I love Howard The Duck and his movie it was awesome and I almost lost my mind when he appeared in Guardians of the Galaxy
I agree with 2/3 of of that comment
Did you not like the movie
@@jasonfontana7417 that movie was interesting
Then what's the one thing you don't agree with in my comment
Mantlo and Gerber are under rated creators who added so much to these world of imagination that we as fans got to enjoy. Howard had so much punch in his time.
Ugh. Though I really hate Disney's corporate shenanigans... I get their point here. People would absolutely get the og Howard the Duck design confused with Donald Duck.
Honestly, the new design for Howard suits him better. He's still an absurd talking duck living in a human world, but with pants on he's not QUITE as cartoony as Donald is.
If only he didn't have toes though...
The high brow makes him look even more done with everything, really suits him.
Looking at the original design, he was just straight up Donald in terms of look. For once I can say I totally agree with Disney and even the design changes they requested were pretty reasonable, it left the character recognizable for his fan base and distinct enough for Donald. I can't believe how petty the writer was when in the end it was Marvel that didn't try to negotiate the changes.
THAT was a great video. The salt and bitterness made the whole thing worthwhile. Your epilogue about Disney winning in the end is the tragedy of the whole piece.
Since Howard is now a DISNEY product, would they have a Howard meeting Donald??? I almost saw the movie, my girl friend got sick - I was never a Howard the Duck fan. Daffy and even Donald are fantastic even in the old e runs!!!
I'm a big Howard the Duck fan. The Howard the Duck comics are really great in my opinion.
If DC can make Daffy Duck meet the Joker, I don't see why not
3:22 Check out Bill Watterson, the creator of the Calvin & Hobbes, and his history of contention with the folks that syndicated his strip. Not a comic book series but if you ever want to do a 'History of' I'd certainly like to see what you think of my favorite comic strip series ever.
This reminded me of the Swedish comic Arne Anka (eng. Arnie the Duck) and the hilarious way the creator circumvented Disney threats.
Sasha, love when you bring up these off the wall comics! Exposing the behind the scenes shenanigans. Keep it up!
More Howard Please! I read many of the issues when they came out. It was more akin to Pekar's American Splendor than Disney. Cleveland was just emerging from its lowest point (The river actually catching fire). Being a native Ohioan, it was great to have pop culture dissect, even viscously. our little corner of the world. I was elated when Howard showed up in GotG (both). I have yet to catch him in Endgame but I understand he is in there!
I loved Steve Gerber’s run on the Defenders. As a seven year old the murder elf terrified me, by the end of his arc I was nine and I thought the whole thing was very sophisticated and avant-garde even though I probably didn’t know what that was at the time. Please do something about the Murder Elf or anything about the Defenders at this time their enemy’s the Headmen were equally as bonkers as the murder elf. I’d like to hear your take on them.
That’s not FF or Disney, that’s Olive Garden 👌🏻
“Why Mickey, what big ARMS you have...”
Mickey: The better to race cars with, or fill out lawsuits with, my dear...
I requested a Howard the Duck video just earlier this month! Man, that's a fast turn around. What a fantastic behind the scenes! I love Howard and I didn't know any of that stuff. Thanks for covering this! And that Deadline Doom comic took forever to come out. I'm not surprised Gerber lost his job for not meeting deadlines. He did great stuff but you had to wait forever for it.
I liked reading Howard The Duck way back when. "Before" the change. I liked the satire. There was a time when he parodied other heroes in canon (Iron Duck, for example) and his Marvel Team Up #96 with Spidey as the take on a crazed SJ nut who calls himself Status Quo, whogets mobs to riot over...fads in pop culture (!) where Howard himself is 'mistaken' for a fad and has to strip down and jump in a pond to blend in (kind of) with earth ducks.
I always thought Disney was over reaching, I never got Howard confused with Donald. The cigars kind of gave it away .But I sometimes wondered...could Marvel have 'changed' Howard to be more Mallard?
Please, do a video on the Green Lantern and Colonel Sanders comic. So great!
Would also like a history on Phantom Stranger. Alaways found him an interesting character. I have a magazine that tells his story but even with it I can´t get understand it.
I admire your ability to utter the phrase "Giant-Size Man-Thing" without giggling.
After one of his fallings-out with Marvel, Gerber went over to Eclipse Comics and teamed up with Jack Kirby to give us Destroyer Duck, an ex-military hypermuscular blue-collar mallard from Howard's homeworld. Of course, it wasn't labelled as such, but when a mortally-injured old friend (an alt-named Howard) reappears to Destroyer out of a dimensional warp and relates a story similar to Howard's own canon (including being forced to perform sex acts with a human woman before crowds of gawkers), Destroyer hops through the warp to wreak bloody vengeance upon the megaconglomerate that tortured his buddy to death. It...wasn't subtle. But then, how often are comics ever subtle?
Kinda horrified that (almost) no one's mentioning Howard's cameos in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies.
This is an impressive amount of bitterness over being told that a parody/satire character should have a non-zero effort put into it's design. Along with a misplaced belief that Marvel should care as much about Howard the Duck as the people who created and write him.
That human girlfriend line got a good laugh out of me
Why the hell am I just learning about this channel?! Love it! Keep up the great work!
Howard the Duck is a great comic series! Just a humble request, but can you by any chance cover Howard the Ducks presidential run since Election Day is coming up soon?
The original run of Howard The Duck by Steve Gerber was my favorite comic book at the time.
I think Disney thinks we're stupid that we would look at Howard and think he's Donald. Also, based on what I heard in SF Debris's video on the comics industry in the 90s it's not like Gerber wasn't a jerk about it too, but it sounds like he at least had a reason to be upset at Disney.
We for sure enjoy these random trivia videos 👍🏽
Not sure if you keep up with comments on older videos, but I was watching the Superman Alien you did and you touched on the Supergirl from around the Death of Superman. I remember she was Matrix, but I don't remember what happened with her. Were you planning on doing a video around that character or anything? Recently found your channel and really enjoy your take on certain things and how you reintroduce older stories to new audiences. Great work!
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I now want a fast and the furious movie with just disney characters
Intresting, the same happened to a Swedish seriestrips called "Arne Anka"= "Arne the duck". Same problem early on he looked way to much like Donald "Kalle in Swedish". So he got redesigned to be super scrawny and way wider face. He was swearing and doing a lot of profanity but with the intent on asking lifes big questions from the minds of an alcoholic. Yes he got popular among people of all ages.
The irony of this is when I first saw Howard on the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie I actually thought he was Donald due the fact that Disney own Marvel and that I had no idea on who the character was. I really enjoyed this since I know very little about Howard The Duck.
Check out the Howard the Duck comics, they're really great comics.
U stay Grinding!!! I love your work
Love these Intellectual Property fights BAM!!! Pow!!! like the Superman vs Captain Marvel one!
Grrrl you are sooo funny. This one is one of your best. Keep up the good work and those expressions. Chow.
Sasha's shirt reminds me of my grandmothers 70's living room couch.
The history of Howard the Duck is more than I ever thought. Thank you Sasha for the great video. Also, loved the movie as a kid and still enjoy it as an adult. It's fun and silly.
I loved Howard the Duck! I used to collect the comic and was disappointed when it ended. Marvel even had a Howard the Duck for President campaign. I even had a campaign pin which has long been lost. I still have the issues, though.
Ah, memories.
I'm surprised you didn't mention Destroyer Duck, Gerber's Rambo like action hero Duck created for the Indy comics market of the 80's.
The whole point of the character is Gerber's take on his creator's rights struggle with Marvel over Howard. It's basically the printed equivalent of a middle finger.
I would love the Ducktales reboot to make fun of Howard by having Donald say he is a distant cousin that used to dress up like him.
seems to me, a movie series called "Pantasy" would be a good in-vest-ment.
I can see the toes on the feet since Howard is from another universe and I can see that there was enough similarities to worry Disney, but Marvel just dropped the ball on this one. Of course, at this time Marvel was getting close to the financial crisis.
I really hope they do Howard a justice with a good solo movie at some point, the appearances in the MCU have been pretty good if limited to cameos.
Saw the movie on HBO back in the day and enjoyed it. Never knew that it was comic book until RUclips. As always, thanks for the knowledge, Sasha!
It's ironic, all that kerfuffle at the time and Howard as a Marvel property ends up with Disney as a parent company currently. Steve Gerber would not be happy..
I had no idea Howard looked like Donald. I would have been confused too. I've only really seen Howard on the MCU cameos and tidbits of the movie.
For some reason I love learning about Howard. I don't think he looks like Donald, although he did once upon a time. He is certainly not a copycat, but I don't blame Disney for wanting to avoid confusion.
you should make a video abt how Howards creator got his character back after leaving marvel
Hey Sasha, I'd love to hear your take on the time Marvel stole Barry Allan from DC and DC didn't even know it.
I rather thought that Howard's hat and stogie would have been enough to distinguish him from Donald, if not the very different language and attitude Howard had.
And with all due respect to Steve Gerber, I really liked the Bill Mantlo HtD stories, especially with the Gene Colan artwork. I loved Iron Duck and his confrontation with Doctor Bong! The magazine also gave them more freedom for storytelling than the comic did. Too bad it didn't last longer.
Man love Howard the Duck glad to see you touched on this smoking,rough, and tough Duck.
I'm an enormous fan of the Gerber era Howard stories!
Now knowing about this story makes me want Howard the Duck to crossover with Donald the Duck or Disney's other duck characters even more now!! I've been wanting this crossover ever since Disney bought Marvel lol. Great Pantasy joke, now I got one that should be called Final Pantasy where each story is about a certain pants and you will never see that pants again even in a sequel!! lol, Great video Sasha!
To be an accurate parody every sequel would have to feature the exact same pants but altered slightly, but still obviously the same pants.
I thought the Destroyer Duck was the ultimate take that. I was wrong.
I always loved Howard, especially when he encountered KISS or when he mastered Quack Fu
"Giant Sized Man Thing"! *snort!*
Amalgam comics did Howard and Lobo crossover. Lobo the duck.
SMH
I love the Howard the Duck movie and freeked out when I saw him in Guardians of the Galaxy and Endgame
I was hooked just from the title of the video. I👏🏻am👏🏻here👏🏻for👏🏻this.
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned how Steve Gerber kind-of/sort-of rescued Howard and Beverly from the Marvel Universe. NerdSync and Strange Brain Parts both do videos on the Image/Marvel crossover where the two characters were taken from the Marvel Universe and replaced by clones.
The more sucsessful Howard was the more likely it was that Disney would respond,not that Disney neccasarily had the right
but Copy right of visual media can be notorisly tricky and expensive in court, Marvel at the time did not have the coffers or lawyers that Disney did thus Marvel caved
7:48 was the first time I have literally laughed out loud at a video in a while. Not just at the joke but the way you tell it, as Frank Carson used to say.
I only visit this channel for the Frank Carson references in the comment section.
That was great!
Is there any connective tissue between this and all things leading up to Disney buying Marvel? Why was Stan Lee in Princess Diary?
Howard should be returned to his original look. I appreciate when he showed up in Generation X in the late 90s or thereabouts. He should be brought back for more mini series. Also a cartoon show should be made like these adult-skewing cartoon shows that are popular now on FX and elsewhere. Disney should not have had a cow over this duck. But the damage is done. Disney owns Howard now so he should be allowed to just be himself. People are sophisticated enough to tell the difference.
They do look really similar, so much so I wouldn't be able to tell the old versions apart if I didn't know about Howard. I think the response was fun and made the transition easier for readers. Personally I haven't read any but I just love hearing and learning about him.
An A+++ exposition, BRAVO Ms Puzzler!!!!!!!!....I actually have a few Howard the Ducks purchased during my childhood, JUST because I thought it was a cool thing that Donald Duck's "cousin" was in cannon with the Marvel house of heroes, you know, he could team up with Spiderman,......"Spider-man, where are you coming from, Spider man,...nobody knows who you aaarrrrrrrrrreee!!!!" yup, that's right, I'm a 70's kid, can you dig it? i know you can. PEACE dear sister, God bless.
As a kid Howard and Donald looked a lot a like to me. Howard also looks like Jameson and Donald did the fusion dance. lol!
It's impossible for me to recommend early Howard The Duck comics enough. They might seem tame by today's standards, but they were pretty ground shaking at the time. The idea of adding irreverence , bawdiness, and sociopolitical humor to a "funny animal" comic was toyed with only in the underground comics prior to Howard. But this comic book was sold in all the mainstream markets at the time - newsstands, grocery store spin racks, etc. - right next to the same funny animal comics that Disney was peddling. Under the circumstances, I could sort of see Disney's argument, but it was a legal overreach nonetheless.
Anyway, having come to know Casually Comics as I have in recent months, I think this channel would really enjoy exploring the story of Howard's arch enemy "The Kidney Lady" - a deranged old woman with a Qanon-ish obsession with maintaining the purity of her kidneys, who enters into Howard's sphere time and again. Really. One of the greatest and most offbeat characters to ever appear on the grocery store spin racks.
Howard's classic series is a must read for any true connesur of the comic book artistry, some of marvels best bronze age comics.
Thank you! I love's me some Howard.
Any movie with Holly Robinson-Peete on a keytar is a win.
I love Gene Colan's art from Eerie comics. So seeing Howard with his treatment in vol 2 makes me sooo nervous :)
Please do a video about the howard the duck movie! Oh PRETTY PRETTY PLEASE! :D
Can you please do some runaways or cloak and dagger or move the first crossover
Steve Gerber and Chip Zdarsky wrote this character well. Love his team up with Deadpool.
I love the Howard the Duck movie. I watched it way more than I should have when I was young.
When I first saw Howard the Duck in the comic stores in 19- longtimeago, I didn't think of Donald. The tone of the cover art made me think more a Cerebus the Aardvark or the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle magazines.
Imagine how much more terrifying the Disney Halloween short with Donald and his Nephews if it was Howard the Duck instead.
I LOVE the Howard the Duck movie!
But I grew up loving the Dark Crystal. I thought Critters was a cute franchise. And I rooted for Gargamel to win over the Smurfs.
Will u do a video on when Helena Wayne met Damian in the comics?
Can I suggest a background story about freddy freeman/ Captain Marvel jr and how he was a great inspiration to Elvis presley's personality and appearance.
I like the movie too, even though the scorpion monsters at the end of it scarred me for life as a child!
Sasha....All they have to do is add a deleted scene to the original Howard the Duck movie where a young Eric Selvig is one of the Scientists that was working on the project that brought him to earth and we have the Beginnings of the MCU all the way back then.
Its kinda interesting how the almost yellowish off white feathers and brown suit kinda work towards Howard's off color more mature image. Even though it shouldn't matter his color scheme especially since he's meant to be a satirical cartoon character or an animated mouthpiece
Fascinating. I'm not sure why I'm surprised at the micromanaging that Disney did about this I mean, down to the eye color? Dang.
I read the early Howard the Duck stories in a couple of the old Man-Thing comics - interesting stories, but he really did remind me of Donald so the conflict came as no surprise
The title and thumbnail alone have me
I wonder if Howard is still not allowed to be redesigned? He showed up with his original Donald-esque design in Ultimate Spider-Man, and his MCU design looks different to both comic designs.
I love it when you talk comic book courtroom schenanigans!
You need to do the Howard lenny mix up (I think that's what its called)
Howard the Duck was the first comic I collected. I remember seeing a copy for $10 at my local shop and thinking I had to get it. I was pretty young so it was big money for me so I had to save up for it. Seems kind of silly now that $10 was such a big deal but it was at the time. I was a big fan of the character though probably I was a bit clueless to the satire of the character. I just thought he was cool for his sassy attitude and duck-like appearance. I even enjoyed the movie at the time. Now it seems a bit iffy but still enjoy.
Love this!
Now I want a Howard/Duck Tails crossover.
So I see on your shelf behind you your 'The WIcked + The Divine' Comic. Have you done a video on them yet? Or are you even planning on making one? I have wanted to read it but I'm kind of broke and really only want to invest if its actually interesting. Is this something you'd be willing to explore as a topic or is there even enough to discuss? Thank you for your time.
4:14 (Cue Uncle Scrooge takes a dive into obscene piles of money as a perfect allegorical reference of Disney’s role in modern society.)
I always could tell the difference between the two Ducks personally, they were similar yes, but different enough where I knew what I was getting into
The visual joke of it being physically impossible to get those pants on or off with huge webbed feet is worth a chuckle too. Howard's humor generally operated on multiple levels, including the sight gag.