Marlon Starling vs Tomas Molinares
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Marlon Starling vs Tomas Molinares
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I will never forget this . starling, one of my favorite boxers ever.
Marlon starling threw a punch simutainasly to Tomas molinares but molinares punch landed first.
Simultaneously
I remember watching this fight as a boy with my grandfather. Even as a kid I could sense the sad injustice of what happened to Marlon. Remember the context: Before the fight we see a little biographical story of Marlon, a truly good man doing what so few chose to do, raise a boy with love and tenderness by himself. And Marlon's son looked like such a sweet kind kid, dropping the football with a kind bashful smile that we can all remember as little boys. Hoping that fate has been kinder to Marlon and his son since this date. Peace
Marlon is good. He wasn't that motivated to box after he beat Honeyghan, he hated making 147 (hence his attempt at MW vs. Nunn) and was sick of losing split and/or majority decisions, and the corrupt biz of boxing so he only fought 2x after the Nunn fight which is crazy. His ex wife took him to the cleaners, unfairly if you ask him. Then he took a bunch of different jobs over the years. But as he said, he has his health, he drives a decent car, he has food in his fridge, and good loving kids and grandkids, and that he never boxed for money anyway. No bitterness. But just because the WBA let Molinares keep the title despite New Jersey declaring it a No contest (meaning Marlon should've kept the belt) he lost $500k in purse vs. Honeyghan as he was not a champion and had to take a small percentage split. He had one of the most unique and weird and unlucky careers. Reminds me a little of Mauricio Herrera or King Rosado in terms of the unlucky shit that came their way.
@@joeblough261 Thanks for the update and really glad he's doing well, as so many fighters don't. Total injustice what happened to him in this fight. If Starling had been a "big name" there's no way he would not have retained his belt here, but boxing politics and the alphabet organisations stink and will prett much always do the wrong thing if given a chance to do so.
Well obviously yeah Marlon stopped, relaxed and got Knocked out. What's amazing is Marlon didn't even remember it but his next fight Marlon TKO'D Loyd Honeyghan so just a lousy break for Marlon.
They were both throwing a punch at the same time. Legal punch. Marlon came back like a champ.
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Dummy. There is no circumstance in which a punch thrown and landed after the bell is legal. Ref should give 5 mins to recover and if he can't, then if it's deemed unintentional, you go to the scorecards.
@@joeblough261 Calm down, Jennifer.
If both fighters are throwing a punch at the bell, then they are both in the wrong, which cancels out. Now get off mom's computer before she catches you.
@@70gabino Good one Sam. Now go learn something about boxing, because clearly you started watching it last week if this is your legit belief. "they cancel each other out". Lol. If I had your address I'd mail you a free YDKSAB t-shirt.
@@joeblough261 That would come in handy cause I'm low on TP.
What a weird night! Earlier Honeyghan threw a low blow and the challenger couldn't get up and so he lost and then this happens. Yes, punch landed after the bell. The referee always says before the fight, "protect yourself at all times". That's life!
Starling was definitely separated from his senses!! The interview is priceless, "I wasn't knocked out I wasn't knocked down"
After all these years, for some strange reason, that quote came to mind and I came to see it again.
Shame because Starling was a great boxer, couldn’t beat Donald Curry but beat down Mark Breland and Lloyd Honeyghan
Sucker punch
@@mandarkastronomonov2962 My buddies and I have been quoting that for 30+ years, lol. And, "Do I look like I'm "wah-bully???" anytime we're trying to deny something obvious, haha. Another good one was the press conference between Spinks and Eddie Mustafa re: "weightgate"...."I know da deal...I know they messin' wit da scales...cuz I been In boxing too long!" LOL. Miss 80s boxing for sure.
This lead to the next welterweight doubleheader which was billed as "The Mystery of the Welterweights" on February 4th 1989. Morlinares didn't defend the title once, as he was suffering from depression and inability to make the weight. So Mark Breland would fight for the vacant title instead of meeting Morlinares, he fought Seung Soon Lee. Who he knocked out in 54 seconds.
Both boxers had punches ready to go at the bell. As easily as it was Starling who got knocked out it could have been Molinares.
Exactly. Couldn't agree more. The reason why Starling was hit after the bell was not because he had turned around to go to his corner or because he stopped upon hearing the bell.
He was in the process of throwing his own right hand!
If he had landed first and knocked out Molinares, no one would have cared.
Did Ray Leonard have some kind of hearing and sight impairment??
The footage is replayed several times, the last time with the action frozen as the bell rings and it's there for all to see.
Yet he continues to maintain that Molinares' right hand punch was in motion!!
*Is he taking the piss??*
Molinares was still throwing the *left hand* punch that went before it when the bell rang!!
I don't understand how this was deemed a no-contest (correctly) but Molinares was then allowed to keep the title!!!
In a no-contest, there isn't a winner, there isn't a loser so how can Starling lose his title?
Starling should have kept the title and an immediate rematch should have been ordered by the WBA.
He was allowed to keep it because the WBA was a Latin based corrupt organization. Fortunately the unification fight against Honeyghan happened anyway and Marlon won
Leonard was a great fighter but a terrible analyst.
Harford Ct stand up Much respect Marlon
Marlon starling looks alot like Carl weathers I remember he was on tv alot in the 1980s
They’re actually cousins
Both fighters threw punches after the bell in a couple rounds. However, Starling was definitely winning the fight until that final punch, so it was an unlucky break for him.
Clearly after the bell
It should be noted that the result of this bout was later changed to No Contest, but Starling was not given back the title of World Welterweight Champion by the WBA. Molinares vacated the title later that year.
Larry Hazzard had to back his referee up.. however.. Hazzards own commission overturned the result to a NC..
The look Marlon gives Merchant.
That’s why I love the guy. ❤️
Viva Colombia Tomás molinares 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
the interview is like on a movie when a guy has amnesia or wakes up from a coma.. unforgettable fight
That's a tough one anybody with some sense would say foul God I got rocked and knocked out after the bell 🔔 but they say protect yourself at all times but was that a no contest or a win for the Columbian regardless Starling came back beautifully
Thanks Tomas Molinares for knocking down a gringo!! Long live to Colombia!!
What Is A GRINGO??
@@barryschultz7697 A gringo is an American guy called like that as a despective way.
Naah
Molinares couldn't hold Starling's jockstrap.
@@fuchsiaswing8545 But Molinares finally won!!
Larry Hazzard was a great commissioner but he ended up being wrong in this case. When the bell rung you can see the left hook was already thrown and THEN he threw the right hand right after. It was quick. But glad they voted to overturn it
They were both throwing a punch as the bell rang. The referee made the right call.
Great fight thanks for all
33:27 changed boxing forever.
That punch was after the bell
Note the mention of Pineda early in the video. He would go on to a memorable fight vs. Roger Mayweather, coming from behind to brutally KO him. Roger's trainer told him in the corner to get after him, but Roger said, "The kid is STRONG!" and proved correct a minute or so later. They even thought he might beat Sweet Pea but Pernell took him to school.
It was coreect decition. They both throw punches, only onw of them landed.
Bueno conocí a Tomás en Barranquilla es una gran persona y viendo el vídeo me parece q fue una buena pelea biem merecidad
Le partió la madre 😅😅😅
Unfortunately marlin dropped his hands but the ignorance of Larry hazard and sugar ray are without limits! There was plenty of time between the bell and that right hand and whether or not he could stop the momentum of his punch is irrelevant because it was thrown after bell.
Bout should have been a no contest and rematch scheduled
The bout was declared a no contest eventually. By the way, Starling also threw a punch well after the bell, only he missed Molinares.
Joe "I'm Fair But Firm" Cortez screwed up badly, but has too much ego to ever admit his mistake. Two weeks later Larry Hazard of the New Jersey Boxing Comm. voided the bout's result, but a day after his ruling the WBA crowned Molinares its new champion anyway. The guy got knocked out in his next 2 bouts and was never heard from again.
Unfortunately Molinares went through a severe depression, and gave up his title before his next fight. He so was getting screwed over by some people in his circle which added to his depression. Kid was a decent fighter, he was going good vs. Marlon, wasn't out of the fight by any means. Just another sad and weird boxing story.
@@joeblough261 I never like to hear about a fighter hitting the skids and it was close on the cards. Marlon, true to his character went on to upset Lloyd Honeyghan for the WBC belt only 8 months later. In the long run Molinares got the worst of it.
@@threerings1345 Indeed, though Marlon lost $500k vs. Honeyghan because despite NJ's change to a no contest, the wretched WBA let him keep the title, so being the b-side challenger vs Honeyghan, he only made $300k vs. $800k. Boxing sucks sometimes.
After the bell. Horrible way to lose a title. Still, if it hadn't knocked him out, it's not blatant enough to have warranted a foul. There is like a half-second grace period after the bell, as fighters can't hold back a shot they've decided to throw that fast just because of the limitations of human reflexes. Really difficult situation. Given that Molinares wasn't heard from again, the better call would have been to DQ him. Champ's privilege. They couldn't have known that at the time, though.
La constancia vence lo que la providencia no puede
You know...former referee and then NJ State Boxing Commissioner Larry Hazzard rose to his position because he was deemed to be honest and forthright. He was a breath of fresh air in boxing. After this fight, he showed that any man can be bought. How he could possibly look at that replay twice and say emphatically the punch started before the bell rang shows just how far he fell. There has never been a more blatant foul in boxing than this one. HBO should have frozen the replay for Larry right after the bell sounded. It would have shown Molinares' right hand at his waist. But you didn't need to do that. It was so obvious in real time. Slimy decision and the best slime was yet to come 2 weeks later.
The ref should have been closer to separate. But look at Marlon he too was throwing a punch. Listen to the audio, Sugar Ray Lenard he even said it that Marlon was throwing a punch. Good ruling.
Wait, what happened two weeks after this? I remember Whitaker/Ramirez was in March and Roy Jones was robbed in Korea in September at the Olympics. What happened in August 88?
They both threw late punches. Molinares landed first.
Starling's version of the peek-a-boo defense wouldn't be possible with today's attached thumb gloves.
molinares crazy droug good box hospital for droug
Campeon de papel
Mas respeto señor Tomas dio titulo mundial a Colombia no vites que cuasi mata al gringo que se burla ba de tomas
Ganó el. Título. De. Arepa
What about ish..
No surprise considering the governing body for this fight is based in South America
Joe Cortez
way after the bell... horrible bullshit call.
El golpe iba molinares no podía de tener el brazo
y STARLING también lanzó pero él de el falló y molinares conectó
After the bell rang, Molinares winds up to throw a Hail Mary, whereas Starling merely has his glove up. That was a foul on Molinares part.
pero Starling también lanzó un derechazo la de él no llegó y la de MOLINARES sí
Párese que le pegó después del campanaso
Si le pego despues de la campana
@@JoseSilva-dk2ir pero en ese deporte vale que suena la campana incluído el movimiento del brazo en tiempo real, es decir que el golpe ya iba , tengo un alumno que es profesor de Boxeo...🤞
Campeon chiripa
La chiripa existe es en el futbol hasta con las nalgas hacen goles y besotes los dos tiraron al mismo tiempo tomas esqibo el gilpe y tiro y acerto con su potencia al gringo burlon cuasi lo mata no vites
I wasn't knocked out. I wasn't even knocked down. Lmao. Talk about talking while sktfo. Lmao....
Colombia y sus boxeadores mediocres.que paso despues con molinares nada.solo dos boxeadores de clase,pambele y happy lora,y luego pare de contar
Lora mediocre también, solo se salva Pambelé. Venezuela no dio ni medio boxeador bueno.
I think Pablo Escobar might of had his hand in this fight
Actually the WBA has their own criminals running things.
@@threerings1345 but Molinares was from Columbia so you know Escobar had alot of oars in the water so why not boxing
@@davidbrothers3788 and Donald Trump put his hands to help Starling
Molinares was robbed.
Cómo sea pero fué campeón
Robbed of what?