@@zakkosu727 it's more of a metaphor. "If he tells you snow is white, he is lying" this only serves as gaining your trust then followed by a lie and consequently manipulation
The simple finality of it all. Apparently the part where Odin offered to deal with Freya for Kratos was what made him refuse. Up until that point he was heavily considering the offer
"What is this?! Are you broken?!" Just goes to show that Odin looked at his own son as nothing more than a toy he could throw at whoever he hated. The lack of hesitation he has when killing Thor is pure psychopathic; Thor's refusal was a direct insult to Odin's obsessive aspect of control, and with that insult, Odin instantly chose death. Also Richard Schiff literally couldn’t have done a better job. I’d argue he put up the best performance in the game, and that’s REALLY saying something! This game is still a masterpiece in 2024 btw
There's a theory about Odins and Thors relationship. In there first game, Mimir mentioned Thors mother, giant names Fjörgyn, and how she was one of Odins great loves, and how Odin was never the same after her. So, this theory claims that Fjörgyn died in childbirth, and Odin was so shocked because of that, he began to detest Thor, and turned him into a destroyer of the Jötnar, because that's what he ever was and ever will be. Or perhaps Odin just despises him because of Thors lesser wisdom, as Odin only values knowledge and control, he knows if Thor turns against him, Thor could kill Odin, so that's why he's angry to Thor for stopping drinking, because drunken Thor was easier to control and manipulate. And that's why he kills Thor after he turns against him, he no longer controls Thor, so he must die.
@@VonArmagedda I do like this theory. Though it makes me think if it wasn't as bad before. Sif talks about happier times when Magni and Modi were children. I don't doubt Odin has been mistreating him for centuries, but Thor was still able to find happiness in his family. Which may suggest it so bad before, as least for Odin's kin. Perhaps Groa's fake prophecy awakened an even greater level of cruelty in Odin, which only made things worse. Thor became more depressed and an even heavier drunk, Magni and Modi grew up in cruelty, instead of nurturing.
I pictured Odin sooo differently from everything Mimir said in the first game about him. I pictured him as this extremely serious tough looking no nonsense older guy with a long grey beard. Needless to say when they revealed him in Ragnarok I was a little off put by him. But that quickly changed to me liking him. Even after being told countless times what a liar and manipulative psycho he was, when he first meets with Atreus he even had me second guessing everything for a while and thinking maybe he wasn’t all bad. Such a well written well acted character.
The developers knew that Odin had to be aware of his own reputation and tailor his manipulations to make people second guess everything they heard. Looking like a thin, well dressed and soft spoken old man allowed him to seem less menacing. Hiding Gungnir as a walking stick and his ravens in the tatoos made him seem unarmed. But every step of his interactions with Kratos and Atreus until the Tyr incident was choreographed. Always poking to find chinks in their ego, types of manipulation they were susceptible towards, personality patterns read by Heimdall, observing combat tactics. Odin knew what a danger and anomaly Kratos was, so he had to control every detail.
"You're not my prisoner and more importantly I'm not your father.", implying that Kratos is like a jailor who keeps Atreus imprisoned veiling it as protection. This man is such a master manipulator, he hides it in the smallest things he does, it's crazy. The writing in this game is so good.
And we almost felt pity for Odin too,it's like we almost felt he was the good guy eventhough we already knew he was bad,the way he talk,act,it's just he's very good at manipulation and he's very convincing too,I have never seen anything like this in any game even in movies too
@@ermikaandrian8815 Once you have dealt with a gaslighting narcassist, the moment you hear a pompous like odin speak, the first thing you think is "oh here we go with this bull$h!t".
@@ermikaandrian8815People like odin exist in our world. They use people to their advantage while making everyone else look like the enemy for not "investing" in certain people as much as them. Once the victim feels betrayed, the "odins" of the world have already began a campaign to sucker another victim as they slowly back away from the previous one. Luckily these real people arent gods and become victims of their own devices but not until they have left a path of destruction in their wake.
Zeus may have done a lot of terrible things, but he comes off as so grandiose that it almost comes off as charming. Odin, on the other hand, comes off as so real that you know that there are probably people like him.
That is what made him so scary. I knew he's the bad guy bc I had meta knowledge, but if I'd met him in that world not knowing anything about him, I'd have easily trusted him. He sold his manipulation so well, he seemed like a bro.
no zeus feels more like "you fucked up and im gonna try to kill you" and odin is "i will use you for my gain until you arent useful to me anymore, then ill kill you"
the "return my son, or you may meet the god i once was" line always get me, this was no empty threat, Kratos hadn't gotten weak in his age, he's simply calmer, but that calm can vanish in an instant if he needs to return to his old self Odin talks a lot of game and hides his fear well, but i'd wager he was scared, he knew exactly what the ghost of sparta was what it did to an entire pantheon if that Kratos ever returned, not even Thor could stop him
Also the scene where Odin kills Brok and is holding Atreus at knifepoint. "I regret many things - killing you will not be one of them, RELEASE MY SON!"
This was especially apparent during his fight with Heimdall. Once he kicked dirt in Kratos face, the Ghost of Sparta broke out of his cage and fucking folded him. It was hard to tell who was more disturbed, Mimir who witnessed it, or Kratos who didn't think something so small could set the beast loose.
@@Paradox_AlucardYeah, I think the only thing holding him back is his dislike of his own divinity and nature as a God of War. He simply does not like violence but has little choice. He isn't weak, he is just very unenthusiastic about massacring this pantheon.
I think what pushed Odin over the edge at first was him insulting his soup. Brok being the one to call him out on his secrets and him calling Atreus "Loki"(something only Odin and the Aesir said)was a detail I hadn't noticed.
@@shrach8 Because he is trying to manipulate Atreus with kindness. Sif's appeareance was unexpected therefore he was caught of guard for a few seconds. THen he went back to his charade.
5:00 "You're no fun anymore." He's referring to the fact that Thor stopped drinking. Brings a different kind of weight to his later words toward Sif. "Your husband started drinking again all on his own!" Just another one of Odin's countless lies.
Holy shit... Your right, I knew something was up when Thor wasn't drinking in the beginning. And then when Odin slammed the drink in front of him, I had some inclination of what was going on. This is a very important comment that solidifies that!
In the statements before he lied in those too. “His father killed your boys, your daughter is free to make mistakes on her own” when he’s the one who sent 2 lesser gods he claimed were “useless” when baldur couldn’t finish the jobs. And he sent Thor’s daughter with Atreus, while also sending Heimdall with them too, what is the point of taking Heimdall AND Thors daughter, unless he knew that she too would make a mistake so he wouldn’t blame Atreus alone
The most unsettling thing about Odin is how... diplomatic he is. That is to say, he's more ruthless than he is malicious. If he can get his way without stepping on anyone's toes, chances are that's what he'll do. He'd be very well-respected as a Mafia boss.
My first suprise was Odin not being bitter about Magni and Modis death. He straight up says they're useless. You can see Thor was cut deep by that. The way he looks away from the table almost hiding tears
And you know that if anyone else sad that about his sons, Thor would tear them limb from limb. But because it’s his own dad, who’s emotionally subjugated him for centuries, he feels like he just has to take it. It’s really tragic.
He was totally pissed about Baldur, Giants, Garm etc but he still needed something from atreus so he continued to be gentle. AND the thing he wanted was his main goal so he indeed was ready to held in anything untill he got it.
10:00 i love the attention to detail here. Since odin's right eye is blinded, he cant see heimdall walk to his right because of his blindspot. Soon as he turns his back to heimdall, he was surprised to see that boy is gone, only to find him already moved to his left side. Nice touch
Yeah, I think it's more an act he puts on to seem less aware than he actually is. A guy obsessed with control and knowledge, to the point of turning dozens of children's souls into abominations, and he can't tell that Heimdall is on his right instead of his left? I call bull.
The first encounter with Odin and Thor was so tense it was masterfully done. Then when Odin said "dont take all day" I was like WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT ITS ONLY THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME! THOR??? RIGHT NOW???
@@male20yearsold(WHAM) _I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!_ You’re not from here; we got a tradition called BLOOD PAYMENTS! It means I get a piece of you for what you took from my family! *_YOU’LL PICK IT UP!_*
@@SoccercrazyigbomanKnowledge is gained through others and experiences, Wisdom is gained from reflecting on that knowledge thus learning a lesson. You can give someone knowledge, but they can only gain wisdom if they reflect on and learn from the knowledge gained.
I know what this is a hot take.... But i actually would believe Odin when he told Atreus to put on the mask. The man lost everything, for a brief moment he has you alone, and yet he allows you to finally reach something he was desiring to do. It shows what Odin truly wanted to know what was behind the creation.Sure, he couldn't do it himself, but between an option to lose everything and gain something he still chose to be the change in the world
That’s how great villains are written; when you recognize that the character who you’re supposed to hate possesses the same intrinsic qualities that you do, you become connected and the outcome of the narrative feels personal. Whether or not the villain’s actions are possible or likely to manifest in the real world is another matter. By exposing ourselves to the parts of us that lie beneath the surface, we become more holistic and aware human beings- I think this is the foremost value of literature and art.
It's my theory that whatever Odin saw in the Tear made him an extremist for knowledge. He was a hungry psychopath for understanding before the Tear. He was *rabid* afterwards. If Atreus had looked into it, the prophecy about Kratos dying and Loki serving Odin would have come true. There's nothing to prove this, just my thinking.
If Atreus had put on the mask then Athena would have finally be free cause that mask is from Greece i translated the words Atreus said that was on the mask and it translates to Greek.
@@luukstofberg7571what? I never actually Heard of this, this May be a new theory, maybe with Kratos coming something from his Land came with him, and since hes from there he can defy fate, since he isnt supposed to be there he can change things and he did, maybe some of the remaining gods in Olympus Will come After him and encounter freya and the others, i also noticed in a vase from Greece tyr had It shown a pillar/Building being rebuilt meaning Greece was rebuilt, and that vase dated a couple centuries after Kratos left, i believe in the next game we Will know more about what Is happening in greece now
Odin had a very strong and charismatic appearance throughout the game. Only he wants knowledge more knowledge... He destroyed everything for knowledge even his son.
To give a quote from another Playstation Flagship game... "All the knowledge in the world will count for nothing if you don't use it to make the world better. You have to make it count for something... to serve life, and not death."
25:58 I love this little bit. It is the only scene in the game where Odin is confronted about his methods of 'parenting'. If only Loki had put a little pressure on Odin about it then I genuinely think he could have given Odin a bit of introspection about reality, his family, and perhaps his delusion of preventing Ragnarok.
Wouldn't work. The whole point of the Faye arc was her line about how grieving allows you to love fully and open your heart to others. Odin responds to Heimdall's death by brushing it off and focusing on his magic rift; his problem of existential angst is tied to the fact that he has nothing to do with himself, as a narcissist who loves nothing except himself, but he's unwilling to look inward and instead wants to blame some outside obstacle or problem. The Norns couldn't help him because he doesn't want to hear the truth: that fate isn't real in any cosmic sense, but if you refuse to change and just keep making the same mistakes, then of course your fate becomes obvious and inevitable. Odin being a controlling narcissist that dominates and abuses the Nine Realms makes it inevitable they would turn against him in war, and considering how he treats his own family as chess pieces, even winning Ragnarok would set someone in Asgard against him eventually. Fighting fate is easy; fighting your own nature is not. But Kratos does it, even Thor does it; only Odin refuses at every opportunity, so his fate stays the same.
Richard Schiffs performance should be nominated, hopefully for the BAFTAs. He manages to capture the tone of backhanded politeness with cunning-ness flawlessly
It's weird how trusting he is of Mimir. For a man who hates all Gods, a cheerful head that calls him brother very swiftly earned his trust. And so too do the players love him. Honestly, Mimir would make for the best master manipulator in the entire series. Kratos pretty much does everything Mimir wants.
@@michaelbread5906I get your point, but Mimir has no quarrel with Kratos or Atreus, it WOULD be quite a shock if he had manipulated Kratos, but it'd just be for the shock value. Odin tortured that man for decades, he revels in the fact that the prophecy is to kill odin, and he's just happy to be along for the journey.
After watching this again. He rarely refers to his family as family, more their roles (tracker, closer killer etc) Hell I didn't even know Heimdall was his son till I did some reading.
Manipulation is often peppered with fragments of truth. The mask did matter to odin, he did want peace, he did want to know what happens after he dies. However, the Mask meant more than his own family, he wanted peace by Imperial rule over all the realms, and he would have killed and lied without hesitation to get his answers. Thor was more useful as a killing machine, Baldur was unparalleled in tracking, Magni & Modi served to display Kratos' real power. Every step Odin took was calculated, and that is why he is so dangerous.
Baldur was also a killing machine. His curse made him unkillable and nearly unstoppable even Kratos's spartan rage couldn't enough to beat Baldur's invisibility.
One thing that I love about this version of Odin is that he genuinely never showed love to anyone, nor even see value in his family but means to an end, he called Baldur he’s best tracker, closer and anything else but never called him a son, and if he never considered his deceased son who’ve lost his mind as nothing more than a tool, what would he considered everyone else as other than tools 2.
The thing that many people don't mention is that as much as Odin lies, he has another method he uses so significantly more: strategic truth. He reminds people of facts to steer them, or usually at most reframes the truth. Generally, he only lies when he absolutely has to. Because, it's hard to trap someone in a fake reality when the reality is so identifiably fake. I somehow find it so much more disgusting.
It wasn't "strategic" and it wasn't "weaponized." While Odin had his sins, they scapegoated him for their own. Honestly, no moral lessons were learned.
@@welcometochiles6156 None of the characters are good enough to claim any moral high ground. You're basically watching a bunch of evil people finally isolate and blame one for the collective.
I believe the reason for Odin’s obsession over ‘knowledge’ was because he hoped to become discount King Salomon, in which was the wises king to ever live. Odin wanted to become the ‘perfect’ ruler, even if that meant manipulating, subjugating, and destroying, friends and family alike, just to achieve that aim, for he hoped that once he gotten that so called infinite wisdom he thirsted for so long, he would have been ‘wise’ enough to undo all the wrongs he rot. He genuine believed that all his actions were a ‘necessary evil.’ But what he never understood is that wisdom is ‘learned’ NOT given.
An interesting interpretation. I never interpreted his actions as being motivated in any way by guilt, rather each action given context and purpose solely in the self-enclosed bubble of his megalomania. His relationship to every character in the game, including his own family, was strictly pragmatic. He saw his own actions as being motivated by pursuit of higher purpose, and justified “compassion” and “tolerance” of other’s poor behavior primarily Through that motivation. Ironic that all the dysfunction and lack of self-awareness which caused his plans to become so convoluted were in no part thanks to his inability to understand and relate to others. The beauty of this irony is found in the poignancy of his saying, “I will never change. I must know […]” indicating the complete lack of self awareness that compelled his fate to be sealed by prophecy. His death was inevitable only because he was unwilling or unable to change himself; he sealed his fate from the beginning in his inability to see that his desire for absolute power over others was a toxic one that had inspired the systematic dysfunction passed from each generation to the next that he sought to mitigate and control. It was never his fault, always other’s. Love this game.
Interesting take but I doubt it. He was acting on fear. Fear of there being nothing after dies he wanted to know if there was a after life for a god. He even states it
Months ago when they revealed that Thor and Freya would be main antagonists, I thought that Thor will murder Odin and become new ruler of Asgard when Ragnarok will begin, but I really not expected it will be Odin who will do Cycle in the end.
I loved the moment where Heimdall and Thor spat at each other. Despite Heimdall's disgustingly grandiose nature, even he knows that Thor would do some damage to him
K: "Why are you here?" T: "Just, uh... being polite." First time around I thought Thor said that just to be badass, but after finishing the game, I think he doesn't even know why he's there. Odin wouldn't have explained his plan to Thor. At best, Thor knows that he was to meet them in their home and be cordial, then beat the shit out of Kratos but don't kill him. If Thor asked why they're doing all of this, clearly Odin would have went "stfu idiot" and that'd be that. Nice little detail.
@@PaddyRoon7 Odin is the kind of guy that will keep a live grenade in his room, just in he ever happens to wake up on the middle of the night, with a desperate need for a bomb.
This is definitely one of the best depictions of Odin I've seen so far. A psychopatic yet incredibly charming old man,who was obsessed with his destiny. They flawlessly captured his manipulativeness in his design. A perfect balance between an old and semmingly week old man,who is as powerful as Zeus ( or even more so,at least with magic) To say that his voice actor did a fantastic job is putting it lightly. I loved his backstory and how he managed to make his presence known throughout both games, without even appearing in one. Truly shows how much control he has. The only gripe i have is that his boss battle is underwhelmingly anti-climatic. I would have liked if he was level 10 and had 1 or 2 more waves,and more attacks. A boss fight that would be harder than the all-mighty Sigrun ( fuck her,by the way) Truly a phenomenal character ❤
Odin's fascinating to watch, everything he does, every action, every facial expression, every movement, its all in line with his manipulating, gaslighting tactics. In the opening scene, he motions Thor's drinking goblet in front of him, indicating he wants Thor to keep drinking, because he wants him drunk and stupid. He butters up Atreus fully by acting like he can feel safe while Odins around to gain his trust completely. He attempts to get under Kratos' skin with demeaning tactics but cannot, since the man has already killed of the entire greek pantheon. While disguised as Tyr, he kept dropping subtle hints to Atreus' lack of safety against Odin (himself). He even kills his own son, Thor, when he's realized his manipulations to keep him drunk, stupid and obedient has failed. And all this, because he's afraid, he doesn't understand what becomes of one of his own kind when they die, and he's even gaslit himself into believing the answers are within the void, that he can get answers for what happens when his own dies and by doing so, control it. All of it because he's afraid what might happen, his lack of understanding lets him validate the cruel, manipulating tactics he uses on others, all for his single goal.
But don't gods also go to the Underworld, or Helheim too or wherever?! Odin killed himself to get to the land of the dead according to Mimir; doesn't that show that he'd just go to the afterlife?
I was shocked by Schiff's casting when he was announced, as I was familiar with his work on The West Wing. He seemed like the least likely of character actors to play a character like Odin. But the game's reframing of him not just as a petty manipulator, but as a neurotic, paranoid, pathetic old man made it that few OTHER than Schiff would have been a perfect fit. He hit all the right notes. Great example of counterintuitive casting working out.
You can really tell how evil of a villain Odin is from the very beginning... leaving the door open behind him when he enters the house... twisted son of a bitch
Didn't even see the foreshadowing raven that landed while Thor and Kratos stared each other down at the table. Also missed that Odin was trying to get Thor to drink--first by picking up the cup for no reason and putting it down, then by drinking and telling Thor he's no fun--because Thor was trying to be better for Thrud, and Odin needed him drunk, angry, and obedient.
gotta love that the only reason Odin loses is cause he lost his cool and killed brok. He’s odin, he could’ve come up with a decent couple lies to get brok off his trail temporarily then gotten the mask back later. Even if he had somehow lost control without killing brok of the situation and Ragnarock went the same way, he wouldn’t have had Sindri holding a vendetta against him so he wouldn’t have died. Also during the final boss, when Atreus shatters the mask, that may not have happened either if he hadn’t taken him hostage, fully breaking the trust odin had built with atreus , and instead just cut his losses and chosen to get the mask back later. He lost control of the situation cause of an insignificant mortal (are dwarves mortals?) and it cost him everything.
I know how some people reacted to Odin being some dude from the old people home wasn’t exactly what they expected But considering who Odin is, the type of person he is, he feels better when depicted this way, yeah he’s powerful, but more than his power, he relies on tricks, manipulation, scheming and lies, so depicting him similarly to Zeus would feel a bit weird, Zeus was always this mighty being who ruled with power, Odin was an entirely different kind of god
You can see in their first meeting, the depth of Kratos' god of war title, they know what he is done but fear his unknown capability, what he might do if he puts his mind to it.
I truly have to wonder how Odin turned out so warped and twisted. A grandfather who sees his entire family- his sons, his grandsons, his granddaughter- as nothing more than tools for getting him what he wants. All he ever thinks about is using people. Magni and Modi were "useless". Baldur "had value". And when his son stands up to him and tells him "No", possibly for the first time in his life, Odin immediately and without hesitation spears him through the heart. Perhaps there's a reason Odin felt so much kinship with Loki; he, too, claimed to be there to help people, but he was ultimately only there to help himself. To manipulate and lie to whoever he had to to get what he wanted. You watch Odin's mouth move and you see cities burning. He's Loki, the god of mischief, minus all the redeeming qualities of Atreus. It's a wonder that Heimdall couldn't see it.
Psychopath Behavior: behavior that conflicts with social norms; disregarding or violating the rights of others; inability to distinguish between right and wrong; difficulty with showing remorse or empathy; tendency to lie often manipulating and hurting others; recurring problems with the law; general disregard toward safety and responsibility; expressing anger and arrogance on a regular basis
9:31 His voice here warms my heart, but also scares me at the same time. He seems so jolly, I’ve never seen a game character so good at manipulating to the point they are able to manipulate the player too. Most of the time you’ll know they’re the bad guy everytime and know not to trust them. But with Odin, you tend to forget he’s bad.
I love the way they designed this guy. He seems weak and he doesn’t come off strong or evil in anyway. He’s a genius in manipulating others and he acts like this weak old peacemaker that you can take pity on and trust
I see Odin is a mix of Zeus, Ares and Athena. He has Zeus’s desperation, Ares’s cruelty and Athena’s deception. He uses desperation against Baldur like Zeus did with Kratos. He uses cruelty against Thor like Ares did with Kratos. He uses deception against Heimdall like Athena did with Kratos.
10:02. This is a subtle moment, but it's fantastic acting, and a great insight into Odin's character. Heimdall initially approaches from Odin's left, but then shifts to the right when Odin turns back around to face Atreus. The shift in his tone and body language when he realises that Heimdall has stepped into his blind spot is top notch. I interpreted it in two ways: 1) his annoyance at having to turn once again; 2) his need for utter control making him uncomfortable with being left in the dark.
I love how odins and thors relationship was foreshadowed so early RIGHT when odin calls thors sons useless thor rolls his eyes looks away and says some things under his breath showing odins lack or morality/concern for his family and thors disgust at his fathers reaction but the lack of an actual response to odin
Obviously Odin is a psychopath and him killing Thor showed he cared for nobody but himself. However, he also most likely killed Thor as a tactical move because he knew he couldn’t defeat Thor, Kratos, and Loki in a 3-on-1. He most likely could have pushed his luck against Kratos and Atreus by themselves, but Thor being added to the battle would have been overkill.
i feel like odin is reverse stockholm syndrome, in the sense he makes you trust him with tempting offers of peace and prosperity, seeming genuine in what he does, so you do things for him.
@@ysgramornorris2452 yeah but I mean, Faye is the owner, not Kratos. What if that's the reason Kratos is recognized as the axe wielder, because Faye placed herself inside it
@@goldbristow7239what if nothing. It was made to counter mjolnir and had the recall function similar to mjolnir when Faye had it. It does not have her soul, period.
@@joselazo6840 yeah, but other weapons have instilled with souls after they were made as well. Like Ingrid the sword, or fenrir's soul in Atreus' knife.
26:26 I’m now just realizing, since Loki is a giant, and has more of a knowledge with souls and stuff with Giant Magic, a possible action of next game, Brok could potentially be fused into a weapon or hammer for Sindri
I love that Odin puts on this front as some old decrepit man who has one foot in the grave, trying to fulfill one lifelong goal, meanwhile, he’s lying to everyone around him, all a front to get what he wants. Best depictions of Thor and Odin. I’m a little mad they both died in this game. I want to see them way more. I know it’ll never happen, but i’d kill for a prequel game where you either play as Tyr or Faye, and it takes place before Kratos arrived to the Nine Realms
I really love the major differences between Odin and Zeus Zeus is a evil god, if he sees a thing he doesn’t like he starts yelling and blowing shit up with his ridiculous strength Odin is a monster in the shape of a man, he will lie, manipulate, break and subjugate anyone and anything without a second thought in his endless and psychotic pursuit of knowledge
Not quite the same. Kratos was already a spartan general, and after ascending to godhood, he becomes something of a legendary hero/leader of all of Sparta.
I kinda want to see a king of the Gods that isn't evil for a change. There are other characters within Egyptian mythology that could fill the role of antagonist
When you think about it this is not all the odin scenes since there were the fake tyr ones too so all odin scenes were much longer than what this video shows.
I have not played the game, but watching Odin here makes me interpret him as this type of being who manipulates using the concepts of "deals" and "wants" and he makes sure to emphasize them well enough to persuade those he talks to, save for Kratos who wraps up all those speech with NO lol 😂
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When Mimir said "if he tells you snow is white, He is lying" He definitely wasn't kidding
But snow is white
@@zakkosu727 he might tell the truth but he doesn’t tell you for good reason
@@Balteus_420 understood
After what Odin did to Mirnir of course he be piss
@@zakkosu727 it's more of a metaphor. "If he tells you snow is white, he is lying" this only serves as gaining your trust then followed by a lie and consequently manipulation
Kratos saying “no” after odins long speech of peace kills me every time 🤣
The simple finality of it all. Apparently the part where Odin offered to deal with Freya for Kratos was what made him refuse. Up until that point he was heavily considering the offer
@@LokiTheCleverhe probably still have refused
Fewer words, greater impact, am I right?
Odin=scissors
Kratos=rock
Same words uttered by Thor to his father, though his last one.
"What is this?! Are you broken?!"
Just goes to show that Odin looked at his own son as nothing more than a toy he could throw at whoever he hated. The lack of hesitation he has when killing Thor is pure psychopathic; Thor's refusal was a direct insult to Odin's obsessive aspect of control, and with that insult, Odin instantly chose death.
Also Richard Schiff literally couldn’t have done a better job. I’d argue he put up the best performance in the game, and that’s REALLY saying something! This game is still a masterpiece in 2024 btw
There's a theory about Odins and Thors relationship.
In there first game, Mimir mentioned Thors mother, giant names Fjörgyn, and how she was one of Odins great loves, and how Odin was never the same after her.
So, this theory claims that Fjörgyn died in childbirth, and Odin was so shocked because of that, he began to detest Thor, and turned him into a destroyer of the Jötnar, because that's what he ever was and ever will be.
Or perhaps Odin just despises him because of Thors lesser wisdom, as Odin only values knowledge and control, he knows if Thor turns against him, Thor could kill Odin, so that's why he's angry to Thor for stopping drinking, because drunken Thor was easier to control and manipulate. And that's why he kills Thor after he turns against him, he no longer controls Thor, so he must die.
@@VonArmagedda this game is surprisingly deep and I love it!
@@VonArmagedda There is also the detail of Odin telling Thor to stop listening to his wife. Only listen to me [odin].
I knew I recognised his voice! Yeah he's a brilliant character
@@VonArmagedda I do like this theory. Though it makes me think if it wasn't as bad before. Sif talks about happier times when Magni and Modi were children. I don't doubt Odin has been mistreating him for centuries, but Thor was still able to find happiness in his family. Which may suggest it so bad before, as least for Odin's kin. Perhaps Groa's fake prophecy awakened an even greater level of cruelty in Odin, which only made things worse. Thor became more depressed and an even heavier drunk, Magni and Modi grew up in cruelty, instead of nurturing.
I pictured Odin sooo differently from everything Mimir said in the first game about him. I pictured him as this extremely serious tough looking no nonsense older guy with a long grey beard. Needless to say when they revealed him in Ragnarok I was a little off put by him. But that quickly changed to me liking him. Even after being told countless times what a liar and manipulative psycho he was, when he first meets with Atreus he even had me second guessing everything for a while and thinking maybe he wasn’t all bad. Such a well written well acted character.
Thats bc odin is not the bad guy. The giants are.
@@ToneLuck-up3uqbro manipulated you 😢
@@ToneLuck-up3uq he killed his son
@@Samagachi nah he tripped.
The developers knew that Odin had to be aware of his own reputation and tailor his manipulations to make people second guess everything they heard. Looking like a thin, well dressed and soft spoken old man allowed him to seem less menacing. Hiding Gungnir as a walking stick and his ravens in the tatoos made him seem unarmed. But every step of his interactions with Kratos and Atreus until the Tyr incident was choreographed. Always poking to find chinks in their ego, types of manipulation they were susceptible towards, personality patterns read by Heimdall, observing combat tactics. Odin knew what a danger and anomaly Kratos was, so he had to control every detail.
"You're not my prisoner and more importantly I'm not your father.", implying that Kratos is like a jailor who keeps Atreus imprisoned veiling it as protection. This man is such a master manipulator, he hides it in the smallest things he does, it's crazy. The writing in this game is so good.
And we almost felt pity for Odin too,it's like we almost felt he was the good guy eventhough we already knew he was bad,the way he talk,act,it's just he's very good at manipulation and he's very convincing too,I have never seen anything like this in any game even in movies too
@@mystery5719 he didn't just manipulated the 9 realms,but almost manipulated the players too,its crazy
@@ermikaandrian8815 Once you have dealt with a gaslighting narcassist, the moment you hear a pompous like odin speak, the first thing you think is "oh here we go with this bull$h!t".
@@ermikaandrian8815People like odin exist in our world. They use people to their advantage while making everyone else look like the enemy for not "investing" in certain people as much as them. Once the victim feels betrayed, the "odins" of the world have already began a campaign to sucker another victim as they slowly back away from the previous one. Luckily these real people arent gods and become victims of their own devices but not until they have left a path of destruction in their wake.
@@johnwirkwomanly advice 😂..more like those words have become WAY overused by ppl online wannabe psychologists.
Zeus may have done a lot of terrible things, but he comes off as so grandiose that it almost comes off as charming. Odin, on the other hand, comes off as so real that you know that there are probably people like him.
That is what made him so scary. I knew he's the bad guy bc I had meta knowledge, but if I'd met him in that world not knowing anything about him, I'd have easily trusted him. He sold his manipulation so well, he seemed like a bro.
There are people like him. I've met them. Always be wary
no zeus feels more like "you fucked up and im gonna try to kill you" and odin is "i will use you for my gain until you arent useful to me anymore, then ill kill you"
@@weelolol Yeah but Zeus has such a theatrical feel to it that you can't help but enjoy it. XD
@levichicwown9760 Problem is those just seem so way over the top that they sound almost ridiculous.
the "return my son, or you may meet the god i once was" line always get me, this was no empty threat, Kratos hadn't gotten weak in his age, he's simply calmer, but that calm can vanish in an instant if he needs to return to his old self
Odin talks a lot of game and hides his fear well, but i'd wager he was scared, he knew exactly what the ghost of sparta was what it did to an entire pantheon
if that Kratos ever returned, not even Thor could stop him
Also the scene where Odin kills Brok and is holding Atreus at knifepoint.
"I regret many things - killing you will not be one of them, RELEASE MY SON!"
This was especially apparent during his fight with Heimdall. Once he kicked dirt in Kratos face, the Ghost of Sparta broke out of his cage and fucking folded him.
It was hard to tell who was more disturbed, Mimir who witnessed it, or Kratos who didn't think something so small could set the beast loose.
Kratos is a god. God's don't get weaker by age.
@@bartudundar3193 Especially not Greek Gods either, since I'm pretty sure Greek Gods get stronger the older they grow.
@@Paradox_AlucardYeah, I think the only thing holding him back is his dislike of his own divinity and nature as a God of War. He simply does not like violence but has little choice.
He isn't weak, he is just very unenthusiastic about massacring this pantheon.
43:04
The fact that Brok was the first person to see through Odin’s deception face to face only for him to die. Extremely sad moment rip
Brok is the fucking man, and so is Sindri, I felt so so bad for him, they did such a good job with this game
miss him fr
I think what pushed Odin over the edge at first was him insulting his soup. Brok being the one to call him out on his secrets and him calling Atreus "Loki"(something only Odin and the Aesir said)was a detail I hadn't noticed.
I love how he says “I’m not your father” and the first thing you hear after that is Sif calling him “all-father”
And somehow odin misses that and responds like nothing happened
@@shrach8I can excuse that because it’s his actual, official title as ruler of Asgard. You don’t second guess a title you’ve worn for centuries.
@@shrach8 Because he is trying to manipulate Atreus with kindness. Sif's appeareance was unexpected therefore he was caught of guard for a few seconds. THen he went back to his charade.
Odin is quite literally the master manipulator... A true menace.
Very good portrayal of what a narcissistic patriarch does to a family
I know how it ends yet i still cant help but love his character
@@aaronsalim1904 Same
truly an inspiration
The scariest kind of villain for me.
5:00 "You're no fun anymore."
He's referring to the fact that Thor stopped drinking.
Brings a different kind of weight to his later words toward Sif.
"Your husband started drinking again all on his own!"
Just another one of Odin's countless lies.
Holy shit... Your right, I knew something was up when Thor wasn't drinking in the beginning. And then when Odin slammed the drink in front of him, I had some inclination of what was going on. This is a very important comment that solidifies that!
At 30:44 he straight up leads up to Thor relapsing because sure enough next time when Atreus goes to Thrud to find Thor, he’s in the bar chugging mead
So technically, Kratos prevented Thor from relapsing there... before Odin walked in and ruined him.
In the statements before he lied in those too. “His father killed your boys, your daughter is free to make mistakes on her own” when he’s the one who sent 2 lesser gods he claimed were “useless” when baldur couldn’t finish the jobs. And he sent Thor’s daughter with Atreus, while also sending Heimdall with them too, what is the point of taking Heimdall AND Thors daughter, unless he knew that she too would make a mistake so he wouldn’t blame Atreus alone
odin is so annoying
The most unsettling thing about Odin is how... diplomatic he is.
That is to say, he's more ruthless than he is malicious. If he can get his way without stepping on anyone's toes, chances are that's what he'll do.
He'd be very well-respected as a Mafia boss.
That’s how he practically runs his family and acolytes. Like a mafia, with himself as The All-Father. Or “Godfather” if you will.
Thor: I’m tired of this, All-Father.
Odin: WELL THAT’S TOO DAMN BAD.
Holes?
Yup lol 😂😂@sushibanana4070
I wish I could like this twice.
My first suprise was Odin not being bitter about Magni and Modis death.
He straight up says they're useless. You can see Thor was cut deep by that. The way he looks away from the table almost hiding tears
And you know that if anyone else sad that about his sons, Thor would tear them limb from limb. But because it’s his own dad, who’s emotionally subjugated him for centuries, he feels like he just has to take it. It’s really tragic.
He was totally pissed about Baldur, Giants, Garm etc but he still needed something from atreus so he continued to be gentle. AND the thing he wanted was his main goal so he indeed was ready to held in anything untill he got it.
10:00 i love the attention to detail here. Since odin's right eye is blinded, he cant see heimdall walk to his right because of his blindspot. Soon as he turns his back to heimdall, he was surprised to see that boy is gone, only to find him already moved to his left side. Nice touch
He makes a similar mistake while disguised as Tyr. When they find the prophecy of Ragnarok, he walks right into Atreus because he was on his right.
@@lucaswilliams2292 really? Can u give me the timestamp?
@@Centaur1991 it’s not in this video
some say he did that on purpose to seem less intimidating and silly to atreus
Yeah, I think it's more an act he puts on to seem less aware than he actually is. A guy obsessed with control and knowledge, to the point of turning dozens of children's souls into abominations, and he can't tell that Heimdall is on his right instead of his left? I call bull.
The first encounter with Odin and Thor was so tense it was masterfully done. Then when Odin said "dont take all day" I was like WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT ITS ONLY THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME! THOR??? RIGHT NOW???
"bout time"
@@male20yearsold(WHAM)
_I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!_ You’re not from here; we got a tradition called BLOOD PAYMENTS! It means I get a piece of you for what you took from my family! *_YOU’LL PICK IT UP!_*
‘Wisdom is learned, NOT giving.’
What Odin never understood.
Can you explain what that means ?
@@SoccercrazyigbomanKnowledge is gained through others and experiences, Wisdom is gained from reflecting on that knowledge thus learning a lesson. You can give someone knowledge, but they can only gain wisdom if they reflect on and learn from the knowledge gained.
@@Soccercrazyigboman see the above comment did not give you wisdom best example.
@@Soccercrazyigboman It's the difference between hearing and saying.
I know what this is a hot take....
But i actually would believe Odin when he told Atreus to put on the mask. The man lost everything, for a brief moment he has you alone, and yet he allows you to finally reach something he was desiring to do. It shows what Odin truly wanted to know what was behind the creation.Sure, he couldn't do it himself, but between an option to lose everything and gain something he still chose to be the change in the world
Judging from his genuine rage and combat lines, yeah. He really wished to obtain such knowledge.
That’s how great villains are written; when you recognize that the character who you’re supposed to hate possesses the same intrinsic qualities that you do, you become connected and the outcome of the narrative feels personal. Whether or not the villain’s actions are possible or likely to manifest in the real world is another matter. By exposing ourselves to the parts of us that lie beneath the surface, we become more holistic and aware human beings- I think this is the foremost value of literature and art.
It's my theory that whatever Odin saw in the Tear made him an extremist for knowledge. He was a hungry psychopath for understanding before the Tear. He was *rabid* afterwards. If Atreus had looked into it, the prophecy about Kratos dying and Loki serving Odin would have come true. There's nothing to prove this, just my thinking.
If Atreus had put on the mask then Athena would have finally be free cause that mask is from Greece i translated the words Atreus said that was on the mask and it translates to Greek.
@@luukstofberg7571what? I never actually Heard of this, this May be a new theory, maybe with Kratos coming something from his Land came with him, and since hes from there he can defy fate, since he isnt supposed to be there he can change things and he did, maybe some of the remaining gods in Olympus Will come After him and encounter freya and the others, i also noticed in a vase from Greece tyr had It shown a pillar/Building being rebuilt meaning Greece was rebuilt, and that vase dated a couple centuries after Kratos left, i believe in the next game we Will know more about what Is happening in greece now
Odin, "Three against one, eh?"
Mimir, "Don't forget me, All-Fucker!"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Odin had a very strong and charismatic appearance throughout the game.
Only he wants knowledge more knowledge...
He destroyed everything for knowledge even his son.
To give a quote from another Playstation Flagship game...
"All the knowledge in the world will count for nothing if you don't use it to make the world better. You have to make it count for something... to serve life, and not death."
25:58 I love this little bit. It is the only scene in the game where Odin is confronted about his methods of 'parenting'. If only Loki had put a little pressure on Odin about it then I genuinely think he could have given Odin a bit of introspection about reality, his family, and perhaps his delusion of preventing Ragnarok.
Wouldn't work. The whole point of the Faye arc was her line about how grieving allows you to love fully and open your heart to others. Odin responds to Heimdall's death by brushing it off and focusing on his magic rift; his problem of existential angst is tied to the fact that he has nothing to do with himself, as a narcissist who loves nothing except himself, but he's unwilling to look inward and instead wants to blame some outside obstacle or problem. The Norns couldn't help him because he doesn't want to hear the truth: that fate isn't real in any cosmic sense, but if you refuse to change and just keep making the same mistakes, then of course your fate becomes obvious and inevitable.
Odin being a controlling narcissist that dominates and abuses the Nine Realms makes it inevitable they would turn against him in war, and considering how he treats his own family as chess pieces, even winning Ragnarok would set someone in Asgard against him eventually. Fighting fate is easy; fighting your own nature is not. But Kratos does it, even Thor does it; only Odin refuses at every opportunity, so his fate stays the same.
Odin is basically Emperor Palpatine and Thor is Anakin Skywalker.
Indeed. Thor is broken, Odin is pure evil
The Jotuun: what do we do Thor?
Thor: *grabs his hammer*
Richard Schiffs performance should be nominated, hopefully for the BAFTAs. He manages to capture the tone of backhanded politeness with cunning-ness flawlessly
Do BAFTAs acknowledge gaming performances
I like how, in the very beginning, Kratos whispers "Get Mimir" to Atreus before letting Thor in. That shows how much he values the man.
It's weird how trusting he is of Mimir. For a man who hates all Gods, a cheerful head that calls him brother very swiftly earned his trust. And so too do the players love him. Honestly, Mimir would make for the best master manipulator in the entire series. Kratos pretty much does everything Mimir wants.
@@michaelbread5906I get your point, but Mimir has no quarrel with Kratos or Atreus, it WOULD be quite a shock if he had manipulated Kratos, but it'd just be for the shock value. Odin tortured that man for decades, he revels in the fact that the prophecy is to kill odin, and he's just happy to be along for the journey.
Odin really doesn't see his family as family. Only as a means to an end nothing more.
After watching this again. He rarely refers to his family as family, more their roles (tracker, closer killer etc) Hell I didn't even know Heimdall was his son till I did some reading.
@@Lunardivider24 Wait Heimdall is his son!?!
@@xgaming2427 yup, at least in all other mythology sources. Though he is never said to be or not to be his son in game.
@@Lunardivider24 Heimdall is his son.
@@ZayToDiffrent I know, but do does anyone in game state that?
Manipulation is often peppered with fragments of truth. The mask did matter to odin, he did want peace, he did want to know what happens after he dies. However, the Mask meant more than his own family, he wanted peace by Imperial rule over all the realms, and he would have killed and lied without hesitation to get his answers. Thor was more useful as a killing machine, Baldur was unparalleled in tracking, Magni & Modi served to display Kratos' real power. Every step Odin took was calculated, and that is why he is so dangerous.
And Heimdall...?
Baldur was also a killing machine. His curse made him unkillable and nearly unstoppable even Kratos's spartan rage couldn't enough to beat Baldur's invisibility.
@@Sun-God2 "He reads minds for me."
One thing that I love about this version of Odin is that he genuinely never showed love to anyone, nor even see value in his family but means to an end, he called Baldur he’s best tracker, closer and anything else but never called him a son, and if he never considered his deceased son who’ve lost his mind as nothing more than a tool, what would he considered everyone else as other than tools 2.
Zeus loved all. Metaphorically and very much physically.
10:01 I love that. I love Odin turning around and not seeing Heimdal. It makes it seem like a casual conversation.
Another one of odins manipulations
@@0tisAlexanderWhat manipulation? Odin has one blinded eye.
@@npquanh30402He makes himself seem more vulnerable by not noticing Heimdall move behind him, to have Atreus seem more ‘open’ to him.
The thing that many people don't mention is that as much as Odin lies, he has another method he uses so significantly more: strategic truth. He reminds people of facts to steer them, or usually at most reframes the truth. Generally, he only lies when he absolutely has to. Because, it's hard to trap someone in a fake reality when the reality is so identifiably fake.
I somehow find it so much more disgusting.
It's the trick to manipulation. A sprinkle of lies mixed in with the truth.
This is a great comment. Few people realize that the truth can be weaponized
It wasn't "strategic" and it wasn't "weaponized." While Odin had his sins, they scapegoated him for their own. Honestly, no moral lessons were learned.
@@ClockworkGearhead Huh?
@@welcometochiles6156 None of the characters are good enough to claim any moral high ground. You're basically watching a bunch of evil people finally isolate and blame one for the collective.
Odin: Three against one. eh?
Mimir: Don’t forget me. All-F**ker!
Odin: what did you called me?!
That really made my day. 😂😂😂
Considering that Mimir is Puck, he's bound to have some great roasts
@@squigglydickley1851 Brok actually said it first earlier in the game
Funny enough, the guy who plays Mimir also played a version of Odin in an episode of The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.
Mimir: That one's for Brok!
lmfao
I know odin is a hell of an antagonist but the way he says "are you broken" gets me for totally no reason
Voice crack
I believe the reason for Odin’s obsession over ‘knowledge’ was because he hoped to become discount King Salomon, in which was the wises king to ever live. Odin wanted to become the ‘perfect’ ruler, even if that meant manipulating, subjugating, and destroying, friends and family alike, just to achieve that aim, for he hoped that once he gotten that so called infinite wisdom he thirsted for so long, he would have been ‘wise’ enough to undo all the wrongs he rot. He genuine believed that all his actions were a ‘necessary evil.’ But what he never understood is that wisdom is ‘learned’ NOT given.
An interesting interpretation. I never interpreted his actions as being motivated in any way by guilt, rather each action given context and purpose solely in the self-enclosed bubble of his megalomania. His relationship to every character in the game, including his own family, was strictly pragmatic. He saw his own actions as being motivated by pursuit of higher purpose, and justified “compassion” and “tolerance” of other’s poor behavior primarily Through that motivation. Ironic that all the dysfunction and lack of self-awareness which caused his plans to become so convoluted were in no part thanks to his inability to understand and relate to others. The beauty of this irony is found in the poignancy of his saying, “I will never change. I must know […]” indicating the complete lack of self awareness that compelled his fate to be sealed by prophecy. His death was inevitable only because he was unwilling or unable to change himself; he sealed his fate from the beginning in his inability to see that his desire for absolute power over others was a toxic one that had inspired the systematic dysfunction passed from each generation to the next that he sought to mitigate and control. It was never his fault, always other’s. Love this game.
@@owfan4134: “Wisdom comes when you stop looking for it, and start living the life the Creator intended for you.”
-Native American Proverbs
Wisdom does not equate knowledge.
A smart and knowledgeable man knows a tomato is a fruit.
A wise one doesn't add it in fruit salad.
Wisdom is learned with reading and life experience
Interesting take but I doubt it. He was acting on fear. Fear of there being nothing after dies he wanted to know if there was a after life for a god. He even states it
Months ago when they revealed that Thor and Freya would be main antagonists, I thought that Thor will murder Odin and become new ruler of Asgard when Ragnarok will begin, but I really not expected it will be Odin who will do Cycle in the end.
I loved the moment where Heimdall and Thor spat at each other. Despite Heimdall's disgustingly grandiose nature, even he knows that Thor would do some damage to him
9:29
Heimdall: “You are a sick man 😡😡”
Odin: “Loki! 😁”
Odin is a man of words, Thor is a man of action.
Zeus is a man of thunderbolts.
K: "Why are you here?"
T: "Just, uh... being polite."
First time around I thought Thor said that just to be badass, but after finishing the game, I think he doesn't even know why he's there.
Odin wouldn't have explained his plan to Thor. At best, Thor knows that he was to meet them in their home and be cordial, then beat the shit out of Kratos but don't kill him.
If Thor asked why they're doing all of this, clearly Odin would have went "stfu idiot" and that'd be that. Nice little detail.
Kind of odd for odin to tell thor not to keep kratos alive. Hes the greek godkiller, it would be much safer for him if kratos died.
@@RealLifeAlias Atreus is absolutely crucial to his plan, and he'd never help Odin if Thor killed Kratos.
@@PaddyRoon7 Odin is the kind of guy that will keep a live grenade in his room, just in he ever happens to wake up on the middle of the night, with a desperate need for a bomb.
53:24 Freya gently jogging into Odin kills me
10:45 Heimdall looking like a sad unwanted puppy when Odin tells him to fuck off
This is definitely one of the best depictions of Odin I've seen so far.
A psychopatic yet incredibly charming old man,who was obsessed with his destiny.
They flawlessly captured his manipulativeness in his design. A perfect balance between an old and semmingly week old man,who is as powerful as Zeus ( or even more so,at least with magic)
To say that his voice actor did a fantastic job is putting it lightly.
I loved his backstory and how he managed to make his presence known throughout both games, without even appearing in one. Truly shows how much control he has.
The only gripe i have is that his boss battle is underwhelmingly anti-climatic. I would have liked if he was level 10 and had 1 or 2 more waves,and more attacks. A boss fight that would be harder than the all-mighty Sigrun ( fuck her,by the way)
Truly a phenomenal character ❤
Odin's fascinating to watch, everything he does, every action, every facial expression, every movement, its all in line with his manipulating, gaslighting tactics.
In the opening scene, he motions Thor's drinking goblet in front of him, indicating he wants Thor to keep drinking, because he wants him drunk and stupid.
He butters up Atreus fully by acting like he can feel safe while Odins around to gain his trust completely.
He attempts to get under Kratos' skin with demeaning tactics but cannot, since the man has already killed of the entire greek pantheon.
While disguised as Tyr, he kept dropping subtle hints to Atreus' lack of safety against Odin (himself).
He even kills his own son, Thor, when he's realized his manipulations to keep him drunk, stupid and obedient has failed.
And all this, because he's afraid, he doesn't understand what becomes of one of his own kind when they die, and he's even gaslit himself into believing the answers are within the void, that he can get answers for what happens when his own dies and by doing so, control it. All of it because he's afraid what might happen, his lack of understanding lets him validate the cruel, manipulating tactics he uses on others, all for his single goal.
But don't gods also go to the Underworld, or Helheim too or wherever?! Odin killed himself to get to the land of the dead according to Mimir; doesn't that show that he'd just go to the afterlife?
52:22 Odin's tantrum for future memes.
Tyr should’ve been included since technically he was Odin as well
Tyr is stil alive if finish the game and you go to nilfihiem theres a asgardian prison that has the real tyr
@@kingvoodonofficalhe meant fake tyr
I was shocked by Schiff's casting when he was announced, as I was familiar with his work on The West Wing. He seemed like the least likely of character actors to play a character like Odin. But the game's reframing of him not just as a petty manipulator, but as a neurotic, paranoid, pathetic old man made it that few OTHER than Schiff would have been a perfect fit. He hit all the right notes. Great example of counterintuitive casting working out.
You can really tell how evil of a villain Odin is from the very beginning... leaving the door open behind him when he enters the house... twisted son of a bitch
"Don't forget me, All-Fucker!"
"What did you call me?!"
I'm dead
"Its a simple fucking concept!"
This cracks me everytime i hear it
Kratos was the literal Ragnarok in his home greek world
Didn't even see the foreshadowing raven that landed while Thor and Kratos stared each other down at the table. Also missed that Odin was trying to get Thor to drink--first by picking up the cup for no reason and putting it down, then by drinking and telling Thor he's no fun--because Thor was trying to be better for Thrud, and Odin needed him drunk, angry, and obedient.
gotta love that the only reason Odin loses is cause he lost his cool and killed brok. He’s odin, he could’ve come up with a decent couple lies to get brok off his trail temporarily then gotten the mask back later. Even if he had somehow lost control without killing brok of the situation and Ragnarock went the same way, he wouldn’t have had Sindri holding a vendetta against him so he wouldn’t have died. Also during the final boss, when Atreus shatters the mask, that may not have happened either if he hadn’t taken him hostage, fully breaking the trust odin had built with atreus , and instead just cut his losses and chosen to get the mask back later. He lost control of the situation cause of an insignificant mortal (are dwarves mortals?) and it cost him everything.
I know how some people reacted to Odin being some dude from the old people home wasn’t exactly what they expected
But considering who Odin is, the type of person he is, he feels better when depicted this way, yeah he’s powerful, but more than his power, he relies on tricks, manipulation, scheming and lies, so depicting him similarly to Zeus would feel a bit weird, Zeus was always this mighty being who ruled with power, Odin was an entirely different kind of god
Odin: "bla bla bla for 3 minutes speech"
Kratos: "no"
All- fucker was probably the wisest thing Mimir said.
He never knew Zeus
@blenderbanana lol
You can see in their first meeting, the depth of Kratos' god of war title, they know what he is done but fear his unknown capability, what he might do if he puts his mind to it.
I truly have to wonder how Odin turned out so warped and twisted. A grandfather who sees his entire family- his sons, his grandsons, his granddaughter- as nothing more than tools for getting him what he wants. All he ever thinks about is using people. Magni and Modi were "useless". Baldur "had value". And when his son stands up to him and tells him "No", possibly for the first time in his life, Odin immediately and without hesitation spears him through the heart.
Perhaps there's a reason Odin felt so much kinship with Loki; he, too, claimed to be there to help people, but he was ultimately only there to help himself. To manipulate and lie to whoever he had to to get what he wanted. You watch Odin's mouth move and you see cities burning. He's Loki, the god of mischief, minus all the redeeming qualities of Atreus. It's a wonder that Heimdall couldn't see it.
The thing is, Odin was mentally ill. A pure psychopath, and a pathological liar. There's no "reason" he turned this way; he was born this way.
@@ysgramornorris2452terrible way to put it, you can overcome things like that
@@avalokiteshvara113Maybe, but it's extremely difficult when you lack empathy to such a degree as Odin does. He's too singular minded, as well.
You basically described the Mind of Psychopath
Psychopath Behavior:
behavior that conflicts with social norms;
disregarding or violating the rights of others;
inability to distinguish between right and wrong;
difficulty with showing remorse or empathy;
tendency to lie often
manipulating and hurting others;
recurring problems with the law;
general disregard toward safety and responsibility;
expressing anger and arrogance on a regular basis
I think it's funny that Heimdall is all "im not scared of your father Thrud" but he was absolutely pissing himself when Thor told him to cool his jets
Thor: I have Mead
Me: This isn’t Skyrim Thor
@@KingGamerz293 "I know I'm missing the point but I want someone to think I'm knowledgeable "
Actually, Skyrim is based on old Norse.
21:55
Odin: THOR, GET DOWN HERE
Thor: ALL FATHER 🗿
"All-father." 🤰
9:31 His voice here warms my heart, but also scares me at the same time. He seems so jolly, I’ve never seen a game character so good at manipulating to the point they are able to manipulate the player too.
Most of the time you’ll know they’re the bad guy everytime and know not to trust them. But with Odin, you tend to forget he’s bad.
31:05 "Can you murder a landslide? Smother a storm?" "According to my dad, yeah."
My favorite is thor teleporting out of nowhere every fucking time ahahahaha
I love the way they designed this guy. He seems weak and he doesn’t come off strong or evil in anyway. He’s a genius in manipulating others and he acts like this weak old peacemaker that you can take pity on and trust
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I see Odin is a mix of Zeus, Ares and Athena. He has Zeus’s desperation, Ares’s cruelty and Athena’s deception.
He uses desperation against Baldur like Zeus did with Kratos. He uses cruelty against Thor like Ares did with Kratos. He uses deception against Heimdall like Athena did with Kratos.
What makes Odin absolutely terrifying is that he makes it so easy to relate to him.
I just love in the opening sequence Odin puts the cup down, just to pick it up second later
Its the other cup he just chugs both of them down like a champ
0:40 🥂 *I HAVE MEAD!* 🍻
1:55
💥 🔨 *BANG!*
💥 🪓 *clang!*
47:37 Odin: *"I am your father."*
Thor: *"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!"*
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
(24:40) Loki could have answered in the pause "sticking my hand in lava is never gonna feel good."
Thors very first words is that he has Mead. The very moment we meet him he is an alcoholic, who is controlled by his father
21:55
Lmfao always liked those little moments
Big dude sneaking up on him like that haha
27:44 STRAIGHT TO THE POINT😂😂
10:02. This is a subtle moment, but it's fantastic acting, and a great insight into Odin's character. Heimdall initially approaches from Odin's left, but then shifts to the right when Odin turns back around to face Atreus. The shift in his tone and body language when he realises that Heimdall has stepped into his blind spot is top notch. I interpreted it in two ways: 1) his annoyance at having to turn once again; 2) his need for utter control making him uncomfortable with being left in the dark.
I love how odins and thors relationship was foreshadowed so early RIGHT when odin calls thors sons useless thor rolls his eyes looks away and says some things under his breath showing odins lack or morality/concern for his family and thors disgust at his fathers reaction but the lack of an actual response to odin
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Odins crows are eerie than a mf
Thats bc the crows are odin.
Odin and his family act more like a family mafia compared to the olympian gods
47:17 there is a moment where we can punch Odin just right and after that Thor joins our party with Atreus to kill him
Do you have proof?
@@The_wick45 its more of "I wish" kinda moment. Sorry for the misunderstanding chad.
@Tacoandmemelover ohhhhh thanks for clearing that up I totally see what you meant now
lmfao when the person recording misses the prompt for Loki to punch Odin and it just plays out again exactly the same way
21:56 was hillarious, this whole Odin line was unbelieveable
This kinda makes me hope we get a game of Atreus and his story moving forward
Obviously Odin is a psychopath and him killing Thor showed he cared for nobody but himself. However, he also most likely killed Thor as a tactical move because he knew he couldn’t defeat Thor, Kratos, and Loki in a 3-on-1. He most likely could have pushed his luck against Kratos and Atreus by themselves, but Thor being added to the battle would have been overkill.
"Dont forget me All-Fucker"
"What did you call me?"
They have the best relationship, just petty childish hate between the 2 smartest beings in reality
Odin is actually mimir in disguise. The real mimir is still inside of a tree. We will find him in the next game
@@ToneLuck-up3uqno he isnt, are you insane?
ngl the cinematic right at the end of Atreaus failing and only then hitting the button in time made it a lot funnier than it should've been 😂
Love he talks about mimirs humor to atreus but never would've heard any except in disguise
Odin's voice actor is like a mix between Tony Shaloub and Christopher Walken, or am I just crazy?
i feel like odin is reverse stockholm syndrome, in the sense he makes you trust him with tempting offers of peace and prosperity, seeming genuine in what he does, so you do things for him.
You guys ever figure that maybe Faye's soul is inside the frost axe? And that's why it always comes back to Kratos?
No, it comes back to Kratos because Brok and Sindri enchanted it to return to its wielder's hand when called.
@@ysgramornorris2452 yeah but I mean, Faye is the owner, not Kratos. What if that's the reason Kratos is recognized as the axe wielder, because Faye placed herself inside it
@@goldbristow7239what if nothing. It was made to counter mjolnir and had the recall function similar to mjolnir when Faye had it. It does not have her soul, period.
@@joselazo6840 yeah, but other weapons have instilled with souls after they were made as well. Like Ingrid the sword, or fenrir's soul in Atreus' knife.
@@goldbristow7239sounds like you've been watching my fav utuber CookingKratos. @CookongWithKratos
Kratos: WHO ARE YOU?!
Thor: I'm Batman
26:26 I’m now just realizing, since Loki is a giant, and has more of a knowledge with souls and stuff with Giant Magic, a possible action of next game, Brok could potentially be fused into a weapon or hammer for Sindri
Brok's soul is incomplete.
It doesn't "exist" anymore.
I love that Odin puts on this front as some old decrepit man who has one foot in the grave, trying to fulfill one lifelong goal, meanwhile, he’s lying to everyone around him, all a front to get what he wants.
Best depictions of Thor and Odin. I’m a little mad they both died in this game. I want to see them way more. I know it’ll never happen, but i’d kill for a prequel game where you either play as Tyr or Faye, and it takes place before Kratos arrived to the Nine Realms
6:55 Kratos reaching for his axe the *moment* odin approaches Atreus, then dropping his hand as soon as he steps away
I really love the major differences between Odin and Zeus
Zeus is a evil god, if he sees a thing he doesn’t like he starts yelling and blowing shit up with his ridiculous strength
Odin is a monster in the shape of a man, he will lie, manipulate, break and subjugate anyone and anything without a second thought in his endless and psychotic pursuit of knowledge
52:48 i really loves it when mimir roasts odin😂
Odin: "Did anyone ever pray to you!?"
My brain: some of the spartans prayed to Kratos.
Not quite the same. Kratos was already a spartan general, and after ascending to godhood, he becomes something of a legendary hero/leader of all of Sparta.
6:27 the wisdom of trusting the All Hubris i mean Fucker i mean Father... is never the right choice.
51:29
The next game is in egypt, probably. The gods are going to be obsessed with stuff like that. What could the Egyptian god Ra be obsessed with?
Perhaps but my guess is he Kratos goes to Asia first
I kinda want to see a king of the Gods that isn't evil for a change. There are other characters within Egyptian mythology that could fill the role of antagonist
You seem like a calm and reasonable person LMAOOOOO
When you think about it this is not all the odin scenes since there were the fake tyr ones too so all odin scenes were much longer than what this video shows.
I have not played the game, but watching Odin here makes me interpret him as this type of being who manipulates using the concepts of "deals" and "wants" and he makes sure to emphasize them well enough to persuade those he talks to, save for Kratos who wraps up all those speech with NO lol 😂
Love how Kratos looks at Thor as he enters the door and he sees his size... And many memories about his experience with bigger guys comes to mind.