Cant blame him. obi wan was his father,mentor, big brother, friend and master. and his most hated person all in one . No amount of darkside can completely remove a bond like that. its expected
Vader was so powerful at this time. I just don’t understand how he loses here. It was so frustrating to see. He beats him earlier and then is destroyed after.
bad writing in my opinion , the whole series was good but. plot armor was strong with kenobi. he should won but not that easily maybe attack vader off gaurd or with nasty tricks...
That's absurd. Anakin used his anger to decapitate Dooku who has curb-stomped Kenobi twice. Losing the first fight when he is young and distraught in ROTS makes sense. Losing a second time almost makes Luke's entire existence pointless, since Obi-Wan can clearly consistently beat him somehow. Obi-Wan had no business defeating Vader a second time. It was just bad writing.
I'm mad for the end of this show. Letting Obi-Wan win against Vader at this point ruin all the mean of the original trilogy! These authors don't know star wats, these author let Obi-Wan win just because this was his show and because Vader is the villain. They admit that in the original script Vader win the duel and believe Obi-Wan was dead, but at the end they change for marketing and other stupid things... sadly we don't get Filone to direct this show a but Debora Chow that prove himself as a terrible star wars director.
Obi-Wan was empowered by the force itself and merged as one with the force itself to survive and defeat Darth Vader narrowly by cutting open Vader's skull helmet and facial mask that supplied Darth Vader's oxygen, and Obi-Wan was determined to protect Anakin/Vader and the late Queen/Naboo planet senator Padm'e Amiddala Skywalker's children, Luke and Princess Leia Skywalker, from the Sith. Obi-Wan in his lifelong exile into hiding on Tattooine learned from the force ghost of the late Qui-Gon, his late Jedi master, how to become one with the force in life and after death. As Obi-Wan did twenty years later when he sacrificed himself to Darth Vader on the first Death Star so that Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia Organa -Skywalker, his estranged sister, Han Solo, Chewbacca and the droids could escape in the Millennium Falcon. Although old man Obi-Wan was gonna be defeated by Darth Vader either way but put up a good fight before he sacrificed himself. In their second duel Obi-Wan won because he was empowered by the force to win, driven to protect Anakin's and Padm'e's children from the Sith and targeted Darth Vader's skull helmet and facial mask he cut open which exposed Anakin's/Vader's burned, deformed and disfigured face. If not for Obi-Wan being empowered by the force, he would've lost, been defeated and died against Darth Vader. Obi-Wan was also ten years retired, late middle aged and past his prime and out of practice but far more powerful and stronger in the force on the light side of the force and still an expert skilled and experienced swordsman. Obi-Wan in his prime and middle aged stage in episode 3 Revenge of the Sith and early prime adult twenty-two year old Anakin in ROTS in their first sword duel on Mustafar were evenly matched and it was a close, two sided, evenly matched, competitive lightsaber sword duel and force battle and both were equally skilled in swordsmanship, with prime Anakin/Darth Vader slightly surpassing his former Jedi master, teacher and mentor and being the closely more skilled, formidable lightsaber sword duelist while Obi-Wan was the more experienced duelist and the smarter, tactical fighter and narrowly defeated Darth Vader after their fight eventually led to a stalemate using the high ground advantage several feet above Vader on the metal platform Darth Vader leaped from hundreds of feet into the air and across the lava river and onto the higher ground on the volcano mountain embankment where Obi-Wan stood and attempted to jump and land behind Obi-Wan to deliver a killing strike but Obi-Wan dismembered Darth Vader's limbs mid-air and afterwards Darth Vader fell to the bottom of the volcano embankment and was burned by the lava. Had their first sword duel continued on level ground without the high ground, Anakin/Darth Vader eventually would've won and narrowly beaten and killed Obi-Wan on Mustafar. Afterwards, Vader would've ruled the galaxy alongside Emperor Palpatine as his Sith apprentice for a few years until Darth Vader eventually grew far more powerful and stronger in the force, than even Darth Sidious himself, surpassed Darth Sidious and would've overthrown Palpatine in a fair one on one lightsaber sword duel and force battle to the death between both Sith Lords master and apprentice and overthrown and destroyed Palpatine and Darth Vader would've ruled the galaxy and Galactic Empire as emperor and master Sith Lord. But Obi-Wan neutralized that chance.
@@CoryThomas-b1b Obi-Wan empowered by the force to win is the only way he can win against Vader at this point but sadly this is something that only a true fan can reach to know, it is not explained in the show so now average fans and people in general think that Obi-Wan is stronger than Vader that is ridiculous. They put away part of Vader aura of menace and invincibility from him letting him lose from Obi-Wan at this point and don't make sense in relation to the old trilogy. This was a mistake.
Exactly, that’s also why it was scripted for vader to say that HE killed anakin Validated old bens lies to Luke, He sure didn’t tell Luke how he cut off his limbs watched him burn and left him for dead after making Padme look like she betrayed anakin.
Great analysis. I agree with you, I don’t think Obi Wan is stronger or more powerful than Vader. I think Obi-Wan had a clear mind and a purpose greater than himself, which allowed him to be a more effective conduit of the force in that moment. Vader had nothing but blind hatred and revenge. Palpatine even said that his feelings weakened him.
So why should Luke even exist? Clearly Obi-Wan has the edge on Vader, so he could have defeated him himself and ended the entire conflict on two separate occasions.
@@Arch8112 Lucas's films had a lot of their flaws to be fair, but what Disney is pumping out is just pure garbage, and it's crazy to see brainwashed fans defending literally anything related to Star Wars. Now when I rewatch the original trilogy, I just think about how Vader has been defeated not once, but twice, by Obi-Wan. It makes him so much less intimidating as a villain.
@@LeonardoAldecocea Because he loves Anakin. Anakin is like a brother to him, and he does not have the heart to kill him. It's not the jedi way to seek revenge and kill your loved ones. It's unfortunate, because that choice of Obi's means that countless more jedi and people will die, because he did not kill Vader. But he's simply not able to, without betraying himself, and maybe losing his connection to the Force due to guilt. Maybe even pushing him to the Dark Side, if he'd kill Vader.
@LeonardoAldecocea I disagree completely. I see it more as how strong Obi is. He essentially is the only person who can defeat him at this time. And I believe it's only because of their history and he's in his head. No, Vader doesn't look weak here. It's like in pro wrestling, you don't need to win the contest in order to look strong. Vader buries the guy in rubble for Pete's sake!!! How many A could do that and B, survive that??? Not many. Admittedly, a draw would have left Vader looking stronger sure, but I think it was done well enough that they both shine.
I like SC38 Showed Vader became more powerful and calm the last time he fought Kenobi he really did best and countered all the attacks that really led to his defeat even getting in good hits like few punch’s the force push and slicing his leg at least seemed like Vader had found some comfort and acceptance and finally stop playing around and finish the job it’s then makes more sense then not Obi wan killing Vader the second time at least because he couldn’t in the end and needed Luke to stop him instead of he’s still his best friend so let rest of the galaxy suffer under him because that’s really is stupid
Well to be honest we have no idea what would of happened if obiwan tried to kill Vader there. Vader still had his saber ignited and let’s say obiwan went for the killing blow mabey Vader could have countered it.
Not just that, plot/continuity armor. It would contradict EP4 to have blowbiwan die. If this was a stand alone story or reboot? He would have destroyed that lying punk all day anyday
I'm mad for the end of this show. Letting Obi-Wan win against Vader at this point ruin all the mean of the original trilogy! These authors don't know star wats, these author let Obi-Wan win just because this was his show and because Vader is the villain. They admit that in the original script Vader win the duel and believe Obi-Wan was dead, but at the end they change for marketing and other stupid things... sadly we don't get Filone to direct this show a but Debora Chow that prove himself as a terrible star wars director.
So here is the problem... Obi-Wan: -uses force to lift rocks.- Vader: "...Please..."- force shoves them down on Obi-wan because HIS FORCE OUTPUT IS HIGHER!- Vader doesn't lose to this guy again, hes not conflicted. Vader has stronger force out put, unless you're telling me Vader was so arrogant he decided he wanted to cut the rocks down instead of using his much stronger connection to the force ( The chosen one now) to simply take those rocks away? His new high ground was "I'm going to cut those rocks with brute strength!"
Vader was conflicted. And Obi was more in tuned with the little ght because he was protecting Luke just like he was protecting Padme on Mustafar. He was fighting purely in the last the light side of the force
Pure fucking plot. This is a PRIME Darth Vader, who was completely unstoppable. The only 2 who could stop him at this point in time would be Sidous and Yoda. The whole Galaxy knew not to fuck with him, and here comes Obi wan out of a 10 year retirement with Disneys powers.
@@senate2674 No, no one likes that idea. You Disney shills and your bots aren't fooling anyone. It's complete garbage writing and we see it for what it is. Complete garbage
Plot armor. Obi-Wan can't die or be badly injured because he is alive and in good health in a new hope. Vader can't win againt Obi-Wan before a new hope.
obi let vader defeat him to strengthen luke in the long term. obi always had the edge on vader. wonder what raven could of done to either of these two. what could yoda have done?
In episode 4 Obi-Wan sacrifice himself because he know he can't beat Vader anymore. So he sacrifice himself to motivate Luke yes, but just became he want Luke to fight Vader to defeat him, a thing that Obi-Wan can't do anymore. If he can defeat Vader in episode 4 why don't do that considering that he will invite Luke to do it?
He loses for the same reason he lost to luke in the end this isnt clear sith vader its conflicted anakin vader thays why he gave obi wan peace at the end he still has love inside but is lost and too fsr down that road but it created conflict the sale as woth luke same worh ashoka
So according to George Lucas, Obi-Wan is better than Anakin/Darth Vader? Since Obi-Wan has now beaten Anakin twice and the only time he lost was in the 1970s/1980s film and even then he purposely gave up?
It didn’t even make sense for them to rematch. Their “long awaited meeting” /rematch canonically took place in RotJ (no I do not count Disney as canon). Do I think we should’ve had an epic finale where Vader gets his ass handed to him through some sort of team effort? Sure. But at the end of the day, he should’ve been standing tall, ever the badass, more vengeful and honed in on the dark side…complete with a newfound sense of restraint and razor sharp intellect…than ever.
I'm mad for the end of this show. Letting Obi-Wan win against Vader at this point ruin all the mean of the original trilogy! These authors don't know star wats, these author let Obi-Wan win just because this was his show and because Vader is the villain. They admit that in the original script Vader win the duel and believe Obi-Wan was dead, but at the end they change for marketing and other stupid things... sadly we don't get Filone to direct this show a but Debora Chow that prove himself as a terrible star wars director.
I liked this series more than the prequels honestly. At least Vader was more menacing. The story and characters were more interesting. I don't really mind that Obi wan beat him as he's kind of broken despite being strong in the force. His body is a shell. He's overly emotional. My only major qualm is that he didn't kill him. That's the main thing that bothers me. I also didn't like the third sister as a bad guy. I kind of new that she would end up good. She never really seemed threatening to me despite her bravado.
@@ArranVid Took down an at at with the force, Open up the darkside force nexsus after killing Darth momin, force dominated a kaiju, held back the oceans of mon Cala and the fortress On nur, put a spell on grand inquisitor, would you like me to go on?
I’m ok with Vader losing if they just “had” to fight again. But the way he loss was TRASH!!!! Obi-Wan is no where near as powerful and would have been nice to see him win but not fighting head on but by turning into a wise master and just out smart Vader because he knows he can’t beat him. Vader falls for the trap and it makes it’s all the more sweet when he said “I’ve been waiting for you Obi-Wan…”
Obi won winning just makes Vader cheap. I mean if he was stronger why did Luke have to fight, the light side always equaling dark side proved here by obi not even training for years and still winning. Disney keeps using Vader as a means to make others look good and it’s sad
So anyone can best Vader now. What is the point training Luke to be a jedi, and steer Luke to defeat Vader, if OB1 could have done it at any time? Typical "Shut up, don't ask, consume product".
Vader should have won. They could have written it so that someone intervened to save Obiwan. Obi- wan already beat Anakin on Mustafar (barely). For good story writing, Vader should have won here. Then when the original SW "A New Hope" comes into play, Vader ends up killing Obiwan. Obi-wan beating Vader here like this was wack. Hated it. Terrible story writing
Plot armor, it would contradict ep4 If this had been some kinda reboot? Blowbiwan would be dead as a possum crossing a highway. Also it technically solidifies old bens bullshit lies about his role of creating darth vader Shit writing and pure plot armor
Plot armor. Obi-Wan can't die or be badly injured because he is alive and in good health in a new hope. Vader can't win againt Obi-Wan before a new hope.
@@Xenos118 exactly and it sucks cause now the Jedi fanboys think he’s so great when literally this entire time plot armor is what kept him alive, dooku whupped his ass twice in the movies alone, maul would have won if he didn’t screw around
This ruins the canon for this franchise. The reason Luke existed was to bring balance to the force (because the dark side thru Vader & Empire is overwhelmingly powerful). This proves that Darth Vader was weaker than some average Jedi. LOL, what a joke! The moment you "think" about the balance of the force was overwhelming heavy on the "light side" proves that Disney Changes to Canon makes it so nothing matters at all. The dark side is Disney destroying the franchise.
I don't think Obi-Wan feared Vader, but he knew he couldn't beat him again. But then that scene in Kenobi where he defeats him a second time throws that entire plot point out the window and makes A New Hope pointless. Such awful writing.
I'm mad for the end of this show. Letting Obi-Wan win against Vader at this point ruin all the mean of the original trilogy! These authors don't know star wats, these author let Obi-Wan win just because this was his show and because Vader is the villain. They admit that in the original script Vader win the duel and believe Obi-Wan was dead, but at the end they change for marketing and other stupid things... sadly we don't get Filone to direct this show a but Debora Chow that prove himself as a terrible star wars director.
Obi Wan does not fear Vader in ANH, at all. When the movie came out, Lucas was very clear about the fact that Ben was superior to Vader. He stated that all Vader had going for him was his mechanical enhanced strength, but that Obi Wan was much more skilled and powerful
@@valou-scaling I don't say Kenobi fear Vader, but definitely he know he can't beat him and indeed he sacrifice himself for this. Even the official novelization confirm that Vader was superior. The Lucas quote you refer is an old quote that even Lucas addressed. Lucas also said Yoda wasn't a warrior but instead he is a warrior.
not defeated, just almost beaten, neither of them won the fight, Obi Wan needed to survive, he maybe physically Stronger than Darth Vader, but he was not Powerful, sources claim Darth Vader is More Powerful than Anakin, as soon as Obi Wan would have tried to strike him down, he would leave an opening, and Vader would just Force Choke him to death, like how he got Commander Fox Killed. That's the thing Obi Wan didn't want to kill him, he could not bring himself to kill his friend he thought of Anakin as a son, even if he did wanted to kill him, he wouldn't succeed, Anakin was a slow Lightsider learner, but Darth Vader is NOT Anakin, nor a slow Lightsider learner, he became a fast Darksider learner, he would use all 7 Lightsaber forms to fight his former master to get his Master killed would not fall for the High ground trick again, or would use force Choke on an opening to get him Killed. Because of the plot armors on both of them, the directors made the fight have no losers, nor winners, made their last fight in New Hope on Death Star where Vader got Obi Wan Killed
@@markykrajky13 exactly, which makes the entire Kenobi scene absurd. I can understand him losing the first time on Mustafar due to his anger and arrogance. But losing a second time to Kenobi is just stupid. He is literally supposed to be an OP supervillain. If Obi-Wan can just beat him every time they face off, it just destroys his entire character. He isn't even scary anymore.
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I feel bad for Vader, but I also think it's funny that Obi-Wan has been living in his head this whole time, rent-free
No laughs for Obi-Wan though, as Vader has owned just as much real estate in Kenobi’s mind as Kenobi owns in his.
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Cant blame him. obi wan was his father,mentor, big brother, friend and master. and his most hated person all in one . No amount of darkside can completely remove a bond like that. its expected
Vader was so powerful at this time. I just don’t understand how he loses here. It was so frustrating to see. He beats him earlier and then is destroyed after.
bad writing in my opinion , the whole series was good but. plot armor was strong with kenobi. he should won but not that easily maybe attack vader off gaurd or with nasty tricks...
Both fights show that while anger can give you strength, it blinds you and can set you up for defeat.
That's absurd. Anakin used his anger to decapitate Dooku who has curb-stomped Kenobi twice. Losing the first fight when he is young and distraught in ROTS makes sense. Losing a second time almost makes Luke's entire existence pointless, since Obi-Wan can clearly consistently beat him somehow. Obi-Wan had no business defeating Vader a second time. It was just bad writing.
no lol vader feed of anger not like anakin so nah bad writng vader win ez
Disney is awful at writing. That’s why Darth Vader loses.
It still made no sense for Obi-Wan to even beat Vader here or encounter him again until A New Hope.
I'm mad for the end of this show. Letting Obi-Wan win against Vader at this point ruin all the mean of the original trilogy! These authors don't know star wats, these author let Obi-Wan win just because this was his show and because Vader is the villain. They admit that in the original script Vader win the duel and believe Obi-Wan was dead, but at the end they change for marketing and other stupid things... sadly we don't get Filone to direct this show a but Debora Chow that prove himself as a terrible star wars director.
Why do you guys complain so much just be glad they made a exciting fight between the 2
Obi-Wan was empowered by the force itself and merged as one with the force itself to survive and defeat Darth Vader narrowly by cutting open Vader's skull helmet and facial mask that supplied Darth Vader's oxygen, and Obi-Wan was determined to protect Anakin/Vader and the late Queen/Naboo planet senator Padm'e Amiddala Skywalker's children, Luke and Princess Leia Skywalker, from the Sith. Obi-Wan in his lifelong exile into hiding on Tattooine learned from the force ghost of the late Qui-Gon, his late Jedi master, how to become one with the force in life and after death. As Obi-Wan did twenty years later when he sacrificed himself to Darth Vader on the first Death Star so that Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia Organa -Skywalker, his estranged sister, Han Solo, Chewbacca and the droids could escape in the Millennium Falcon. Although old man Obi-Wan was gonna be defeated by Darth Vader either way but put up a good fight before he sacrificed himself. In their second duel Obi-Wan won because he was empowered by the force to win, driven to protect Anakin's and Padm'e's children from the Sith and targeted Darth Vader's skull helmet and facial mask he cut open which exposed Anakin's/Vader's burned, deformed and disfigured face. If not for Obi-Wan being empowered by the force, he would've lost, been defeated and died against Darth Vader. Obi-Wan was also ten years retired, late middle aged and past his prime and out of practice but far more powerful and stronger in the force on the light side of the force and still an expert skilled and experienced swordsman. Obi-Wan in his prime and middle aged stage in episode 3 Revenge of the Sith and early prime adult twenty-two year old Anakin in ROTS in their first sword duel on Mustafar were evenly matched and it was a close, two sided, evenly matched, competitive lightsaber sword duel and force battle and both were equally skilled in swordsmanship, with prime Anakin/Darth Vader slightly surpassing his former Jedi master, teacher and mentor and being the closely more skilled, formidable lightsaber sword duelist while Obi-Wan was the more experienced duelist and the smarter, tactical fighter and narrowly defeated Darth Vader after their fight eventually led to a stalemate using the high ground advantage several feet above Vader on the metal platform Darth Vader leaped from hundreds of feet into the air and across the lava river and onto the higher ground on the volcano mountain embankment where Obi-Wan stood and attempted to jump and land behind Obi-Wan to deliver a killing strike but Obi-Wan dismembered Darth Vader's limbs mid-air and afterwards Darth Vader fell to the bottom of the volcano embankment and was burned by the lava. Had their first sword duel continued on level ground without the high ground, Anakin/Darth Vader eventually would've won and narrowly beaten and killed Obi-Wan on Mustafar. Afterwards, Vader would've ruled the galaxy alongside Emperor Palpatine as his Sith apprentice for a few years until Darth Vader eventually grew far more powerful and stronger in the force, than even Darth Sidious himself, surpassed Darth Sidious and would've overthrown Palpatine in a fair one on one lightsaber sword duel and force battle to the death between both Sith Lords master and apprentice and overthrown and destroyed Palpatine and Darth Vader would've ruled the galaxy and Galactic Empire as emperor and master Sith Lord. But Obi-Wan neutralized that chance.
@@CoryThomas-b1b Idc, this fight shouldn't have happened.
@@CoryThomas-b1b Obi-Wan empowered by the force to win is the only way he can win against Vader at this point but sadly this is something that only a true fan can reach to know, it is not explained in the show so now average fans and people in general think that Obi-Wan is stronger than Vader that is ridiculous. They put away part of Vader aura of menace and invincibility from him letting him lose from Obi-Wan at this point and don't make sense in relation to the old trilogy. This was a mistake.
I think the only real reason was Kenobi had to survive, because of Episode 4.
Just let Vader beat him and Kenobi escape in some way.. its easy
Exactly, that’s also why it was scripted for vader to say that HE killed anakin
Validated old bens lies to Luke,
He sure didn’t tell Luke how he cut off his limbs watched him burn and left him for dead after making Padme look like she betrayed anakin.
Great analysis. I agree with you, I don’t think Obi Wan is stronger or more powerful than Vader. I think Obi-Wan had a clear mind and a purpose greater than himself, which allowed him to be a more effective conduit of the force in that moment. Vader had nothing but blind hatred and revenge. Palpatine even said that his feelings weakened him.
So why should Luke even exist? Clearly Obi-Wan has the edge on Vader, so he could have defeated him himself and ended the entire conflict on two separate occasions.
@@Arch8112 Lucas's films had a lot of their flaws to be fair, but what Disney is pumping out is just pure garbage, and it's crazy to see brainwashed fans defending literally anything related to Star Wars. Now when I rewatch the original trilogy, I just think about how Vader has been defeated not once, but twice, by Obi-Wan. It makes him so much less intimidating as a villain.
@@LeonardoAldecocea Because he loves Anakin. Anakin is like a brother to him, and he does not have the heart to kill him. It's not the jedi way to seek revenge and kill your loved ones. It's unfortunate, because that choice of Obi's means that countless more jedi and people will die, because he did not kill Vader. But he's simply not able to, without betraying himself, and maybe losing his connection to the Force due to guilt. Maybe even pushing him to the Dark Side, if he'd kill Vader.
@LeonardoAldecocea I disagree completely. I see it more as how strong Obi is. He essentially is the only person who can defeat him at this time. And I believe it's only because of their history and he's in his head. No, Vader doesn't look weak here. It's like in pro wrestling, you don't need to win the contest in order to look strong. Vader buries the guy in rubble for Pete's sake!!! How many A could do that and B, survive that??? Not many. Admittedly, a draw would have left Vader looking stronger sure, but I think it was done well enough that they both shine.
@@LeonardoAldecoceaobi wan gets lucky every time
I like SC38 Showed Vader became more powerful and calm the last time he fought Kenobi he really did best and countered all the attacks that really led to his defeat even getting in good hits like few punch’s the force push and slicing his leg at least seemed like Vader had found some comfort and acceptance and finally stop playing around and finish the job it’s then makes more sense then not Obi wan killing Vader the second time at least because he couldn’t in the end and needed Luke to stop him instead of he’s still his best friend so let rest of the galaxy suffer under him because that’s really is stupid
Well to be honest we have no idea what would of happened if obiwan tried to kill Vader there. Vader still had his saber ignited and let’s say obiwan went for the killing blow mabey Vader could have countered it.
@@markykrajky13 pretty sure it's cannon obi wan loses in the OG trilogy
vader would beat tf outta obi wan with 10 years of no training. but disney the good guy always wins
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I agree
Not just that, plot/continuity armor.
It would contradict EP4 to have blowbiwan die.
If this was a stand alone story or reboot? He would have destroyed that lying punk all day anyday
yeah, Disney’s on their good guy always wins bullshit Darth Vader clears
I found it unacceptable…losing twice to Obi Wan takes away credibility from Darth Vader
I'm mad for the end of this show. Letting Obi-Wan win against Vader at this point ruin all the mean of the original trilogy! These authors don't know star wats, these author let Obi-Wan win just because this was his show and because Vader is the villain. They admit that in the original script Vader win the duel and believe Obi-Wan was dead, but at the end they change for marketing and other stupid things... sadly we don't get Filone to direct this show a but Debora Chow that prove himself as a terrible star wars director.
It's same for me, Vader is a JOKE!
At this point he really is broken beyond repair physically, mentally, emotionally and psychologically
Wounds only his children could repair 💔
So here is the problem...
Obi-Wan: -uses force to lift rocks.-
Vader: "...Please..."- force shoves them down on Obi-wan because HIS FORCE OUTPUT IS HIGHER!-
Vader doesn't lose to this guy again, hes not conflicted. Vader has stronger force out put, unless you're telling me Vader was so arrogant he decided he wanted to cut the rocks down instead of using his much stronger connection to the force ( The chosen one now) to simply take those rocks away?
His new high ground was "I'm going to cut those rocks with brute strength!"
Vader was conflicted. And Obi was more in tuned with the little ght because he was protecting Luke just like he was protecting Padme on Mustafar. He was fighting purely in the last the light side of the force
Pure fucking plot. This is a PRIME Darth Vader, who was completely unstoppable. The only 2 who could stop him at this point in time would be Sidous and Yoda. The whole Galaxy knew not to fuck with him, and here comes Obi wan out of a 10 year retirement with Disneys powers.
I like the idea of vader being weakened by his emotions when around people he used to be close with
@@senate2674 No, no one likes that idea. You Disney shills and your bots aren't fooling anyone. It's complete garbage writing and we see it for what it is. Complete garbage
Plot armor. Obi-Wan can't die or be badly injured because he is alive and in good health in a new hope. Vader can't win againt Obi-Wan before a new hope.
Keep in mind that in this fight, Vader was not the one fighting... it was Anakin.
obi let vader defeat him to strengthen luke in the long term. obi always had the edge on vader. wonder what raven could of done to either of these two. what could yoda have done?
Who tf is raven
In episode 4 Obi-Wan sacrifice himself because he know he can't beat Vader anymore. So he sacrifice himself to motivate Luke yes, but just became he want Luke to fight Vader to defeat him, a thing that Obi-Wan can't do anymore. If he can defeat Vader in episode 4 why don't do that considering that he will invite Luke to do it?
He loses for the same reason he lost to luke in the end this isnt clear sith vader its conflicted anakin vader thays why he gave obi wan peace at the end he still has love inside but is lost and too fsr down that road but it created conflict the sale as woth luke same worh ashoka
Movie name?
So according to George Lucas, Obi-Wan is better than Anakin/Darth Vader? Since Obi-Wan has now beaten Anakin twice and the only time he lost was in the 1970s/1980s film and even then he purposely gave up?
Well said
Obi Wan has always been wiser than Anakin/Vader.
Finally watched this and ya obi wan shouldn't have beaten Vader, not like it was portrayed anyway.
Made no sense.
It didn’t even make sense for them to rematch. Their “long awaited meeting” /rematch canonically took place in RotJ (no I do not count Disney as canon). Do I think we should’ve had an epic finale where Vader gets his ass handed to him through some sort of team effort? Sure. But at the end of the day, he should’ve been standing tall, ever the badass, more vengeful and honed in on the dark side…complete with a newfound sense of restraint and razor sharp intellect…than ever.
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I'm mad for the end of this show. Letting Obi-Wan win against Vader at this point ruin all the mean of the original trilogy! These authors don't know star wats, these author let Obi-Wan win just because this was his show and because Vader is the villain. They admit that in the original script Vader win the duel and believe Obi-Wan was dead, but at the end they change for marketing and other stupid things... sadly we don't get Filone to direct this show a but Debora Chow that prove himself as a terrible star wars director.
Jar jar is the key to all of this
then there was luke in his prime where he would of defeated anyone that ever controlled the force! Would love to see that movie.
my dude, fell off, and he, still, had the high ground 😏
Vader forgot to take his limbs after he got the high ground… rookie lol
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I liked this series more than the prequels honestly. At least Vader was more menacing. The story and characters were more interesting. I don't really mind that Obi wan beat him as he's kind of broken despite being strong in the force. His body is a shell. He's overly emotional. My only major qualm is that he didn't kill him. That's the main thing that bothers me. I also didn't like the third sister as a bad guy. I kind of new that she would end up good. She never really seemed threatening to me despite her bravado.
No you are not correct. You just see Vader displaying his power more often which makes it seems that his is more powerful.
Bro Vader canon force feats scale way above kenobi it’s not even a discussion
Bogart your delusional
@@markykrajky13 Evidence?
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Took down an at at with the force,
Open up the darkside force nexsus after killing Darth momin, force dominated a kaiju, held back the oceans of mon Cala and the fortress On nur, put a spell on grand inquisitor, would you like me to go on?
I’m ok with Vader losing if they just “had” to fight again. But the way he loss was TRASH!!!! Obi-Wan is no where near as powerful and would have been nice to see him win but not fighting head on but by turning into a wise master and just out smart Vader because he knows he can’t beat him. Vader falls for the trap and it makes it’s all the more sweet when he said “I’ve been waiting for you Obi-Wan…”
Obi won was always the better Jedi
Obi won winning just makes Vader cheap. I mean if he was stronger why did Luke have to fight, the light side always equaling dark side proved here by obi not even training for years and still winning.
Disney keeps using Vader as a means to make others look good and it’s sad
This scene is dumb. Vader was the epitome of Sith and Disney needed to just make a show about a popular actor.
Wrong. It was not Darth Vader who Obi-wan was fighting... it was Anakin.
So anyone can best Vader now. What is the point training Luke to be a jedi, and steer Luke to defeat Vader, if OB1 could have done it at any time?
Typical "Shut up, don't ask, consume product".
Vader should have won. They could have written it so that someone intervened to save Obiwan. Obi- wan already beat Anakin on Mustafar (barely). For good story writing, Vader should have won here. Then when the original SW "A New Hope" comes into play, Vader ends up killing Obiwan.
Obi-wan beating Vader here like this was wack. Hated it. Terrible story writing
he ddindnt lose lol
Plot armor, it would contradict ep4
If this had been some kinda reboot? Blowbiwan would be dead as a possum crossing a highway.
Also it technically solidifies old bens bullshit lies about his role of creating darth vader
Shit writing and pure plot armor
Plot armor. Obi-Wan can't die or be badly injured because he is alive and in good health in a new hope. Vader can't win againt Obi-Wan before a new hope.
@@Xenos118 exactly and it sucks cause now the Jedi fanboys think he’s so great when literally this entire time plot armor is what kept him alive, dooku whupped his ass twice in the movies alone, maul would have won if he didn’t screw around
This ruins the canon for this franchise. The reason Luke existed was to bring balance to the force (because the dark side thru Vader & Empire is overwhelmingly powerful). This proves that Darth Vader was weaker than some average Jedi. LOL, what a joke! The moment you "think" about the balance of the force was overwhelming heavy on the "light side" proves that Disney Changes to Canon makes it so nothing matters at all. The dark side is Disney destroying the franchise.
Garbage writing. There is no reason for obi to win, Obi wan fearing vader and training Luke was the entire point of a new hope
I don't think Obi-Wan feared Vader, but he knew he couldn't beat him again. But then that scene in Kenobi where he defeats him a second time throws that entire plot point out the window and makes A New Hope pointless. Such awful writing.
Fuck obi wan
I'm mad for the end of this show. Letting Obi-Wan win against Vader at this point ruin all the mean of the original trilogy! These authors don't know star wats, these author let Obi-Wan win just because this was his show and because Vader is the villain. They admit that in the original script Vader win the duel and believe Obi-Wan was dead, but at the end they change for marketing and other stupid things... sadly we don't get Filone to direct this show a but Debora Chow that prove himself as a terrible star wars director.
Obi Wan does not fear Vader in ANH, at all. When the movie came out, Lucas was very clear about the fact that Ben was superior to Vader. He stated that all Vader had going for him was his mechanical enhanced strength, but that Obi Wan was much more skilled and powerful
@@valou-scaling I don't say Kenobi fear Vader, but definitely he know he can't beat him and indeed he sacrifice himself for this. Even the official novelization confirm that Vader was superior. The Lucas quote you refer is an old quote that even Lucas addressed. Lucas also said Yoda wasn't a warrior but instead he is a warrior.
Because of bad writers
not defeated, just almost beaten, neither of them won the fight, Obi Wan needed to survive, he maybe physically Stronger than Darth Vader, but he was not Powerful, sources claim Darth Vader is More Powerful than Anakin, as soon as Obi Wan would have tried to strike him down, he would leave an opening, and Vader would just Force Choke him to death, like how he got Commander Fox Killed. That's the thing Obi Wan didn't want to kill him, he could not bring himself to kill his friend he thought of Anakin as a son, even if he did wanted to kill him, he wouldn't succeed, Anakin was a slow Lightsider learner, but Darth Vader is NOT Anakin, nor a slow Lightsider learner, he became a fast Darksider learner, he would use all 7 Lightsaber forms to fight his former master to get his Master killed would not fall for the High ground trick again, or would use force Choke on an opening to get him Killed. Because of the plot armors on both of them, the directors made the fight have no losers, nor winners, made their last fight in New Hope on Death Star where Vader got Obi Wan Killed
bad writng thats why lol vader win ez
vader was weak compared to many many other jedi and sith!
No he wasn’t prime Vader scales above ever Jedi on the council that’s a fact.
@@markykrajky13 exactly, which makes the entire Kenobi scene absurd. I can understand him losing the first time on Mustafar due to his anger and arrogance. But losing a second time to Kenobi is just stupid. He is literally supposed to be an OP supervillain. If Obi-Wan can just beat him every time they face off, it just destroys his entire character. He isn't even scary anymore.
@@LeonardoAldecocea these authors were incompetent