What Made This Guitar Controversial? | 2019 Gibson Chris Cornell Tribute ES 335 Olive Drab Green
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0:00 - Intro - Check Links in the Description
0:15 - Chris Cornell
1:10 - The Original Run
3:21 - The Tribute Run
3:57 - Controversial Change
5:10 - Another Difference
5:44 - Original Price
6:13 - Inside Look / Specs
12:03 - Clean Tones
14:19 - Dirty Tones
16:25 - Final Thoughts
18:06 - The Case
📚 Description: Chris Cornell was a powerful songwriter that had a really strong voice suited for rock/grunge. He is most well-known for fronting Soundgarden as well as Audioslave. Gibson first gave him a signature ES-335 electric guitar in 2013 limited to 500 pieces. 250 Green ES-335 with Bigsby and 250 Black ES-335 with stop bar tailpiece. Chris died in 2017 so in 2019 Gibson decided to reissue his green es-335 as a tribute to him and his legacy. However, this reissue was a bit controversial because of what they put on the headstock! Just like the original run - it sold out nearly instantly and consistently sells for considerably more than it did new ($3,999.)
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What Made This Guitar Controversial? | 2019 Gibson Chris Cornell Tribute ES 335 Olive Drab Green
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The body/horn shape is also a little bit different as compared to the 2013-v-2019 Run!
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I think that it's pretty cool 🤣
I wonder how much the black one is
You know that you can buff them out ..
Great episode. It’s fun to learn about the musicians that inspire you. Lots of fun!
the furry bottom to the cavity are because they use spiral down cut router bits so the blowout is not to the top.
"...lost his battle with depression..."
I appreciate you handling such a delicate subject with such grace, and accuracy.
Does that me he committed suicide? All the politically correct language to say something everybody knows with other words is stupid. We have words and language with definitions for a reason.
@@jenniferwhitewolf3784 No shit dude and no, being respectful of the dead is not being overly pc.
Wanted to say this too, but didn’t know how to. Well said.
@@jenniferwhitewolf3784 Seriously? It has nothing to do with political correctness and more to do with tact, decency and respect. There are absolutely occasions where a more tactful approach is required.
@@munkygrip1977 Tact, decency, and respect are dishonest and subvert the narrative. He was mentally ill and killed himself. The issue is the lack of honesty about mental illness in the world, and the continued stigmatization about being diagnosed and discussed in that situation.
Chris Cornell was arguably the best rock vocalist ever, he's at least in the top five if not top three.
The fact that he also played in those weird time signatures while singing like he did, a true master of his craft
I agree. I would put Chester first though, and Chris 2nd.
@@salvadorruiz684 You're saying Chester Bennington can sing better than Chris Cornell???
@@salvadorruiz684 lol, what the fuck? By what metric is Chester Bennington a better singer than Chris Cornell?
@@jodybriggs1075 exactly. Tbh Chester isn’t even in the top 25
R.I.P. Chris . Gone way too soon.
One of my first concerts was Soundgarden opening for Danzig. Chris was a force of nature beyond anything in modern music. He was one of the best ever.
Great tour! I saw the last show of that tour in San Diego!
My first concert was Soundgarden opening up for Skidrow in Memphis, They both were great.
Awe man, bet that was a killer show!
The first time I saw Soundgarden was opening for Guns n Roses ~1992. They finished their set about 9 pm. GnR came onstage at 2 am.
That's like when I saw Alice In Chains open for Metallica. The old guard handing it off. Definitely blew my 10 or so year old mind.
@@Rand_al_Thor372 Holy shit, THE Dragon reborn responded? I'm not worthy!
Yeah, my parents were huge metalheads. I actually got to see Metallica 2 years before that at the age of 8. It was my first concert. I head banged the whole time. I couldn't move my head for a week hahahaha. It was amazing. I've been to hundreds of concerts since. I will tell ya though... Nine Inch Nails live was like a religious experience and it held up. The best live show in my older years now though? Ghost. Perfect playing, great theatrics, beautiful stage sets, amazing crowd connection.
Sorry to everyone else for getting off topic. Raise your Heron Marked Blade in the air my dude.
Still kills me how he thought of himself as not that good of a player, I always thought he kicked ass .
I cried when I found out he died, a legend indeed!
Pussy
You just found out?
@@danielktdoranie hahahaha
@@donttalktome4696 nah, I found out the day after he died
@@donttalktome4696 nah, I found out the day after he died
I still remember the day he died so vividly. It was surreal and so unfortunate. What a legendary vocalist RIP
I was at Soundgarden's second to last concert in Kansas City; my friend from England messaged me at 2am to let me know that news had broke of his death. I've been obsessed with his music since I was a kid =(
it was not so long ago.
Yeah, he was one of my favorites. I was really sad when he passed.
It most certainly was. I saw it on twitter and just went numb. Soundgarden is one of my all time favorite bands, and Chris Cornell is one of my all time favorite vocalists. Few in the history of rock could match his talent. "The Voice" as he was known.
I saw the man live, he and an acoustic guitar only, at Uptown Theatre in Napa...phenomenal performance! There will be an Epiphone version of this guitar about $650 in the very near future... I will buy one!
Where did you see that there's going to be an Epiphone version? I'd love to pick one up.
@@DinoJr.686 no joke. I’ve never preordered a guitar before but that would change that very fast.
I kinda like the headstock inlay - unique but still subtle
maybe having it on the truss rod instead would've made fewer people upset
I just think the internet amplifies the butt-hurt bubble blowing babies that would have been beaten senseless by every able-bodied patron in the bar if they actually talked like that in public.
JonManProductions your comment has me dead 💀💀💀
This episode makes me cry, I miss Chris so much.
Chris Cornell, you will never be forgotten.
I’ve played number 112/250, one of a couple that made it to Australia. It was bloody nice guitar. I kinda liked the weight and balance.
RIP Chris
I hate when people say Audioslave was just Rage Against the Machine. Aside from the band mates the sound they produced was different. That first album Audioslave put out in an underated gem.
I'm in favor of the headstock since this is a tribute. As for the COA, I don't like that they used his signature.
You killed killed the Rusty Cage intro, very good man!
Hahahaha Trogly is actually not a very good guitarist...
@@leomilani_gtr no.
@@radio7353 and he says it all the time, that's not his goal with the channel. I guess it's more of a documentation thing, right?
Euphoria morning... Best album of all time.
One of my absolute favorites, flawless record throughout. Chris Cornell was known for his voice, but his songwriting ability is almost better than that. Songs like Moonchild and Flutter Girl with their brilliant chord progressions...
Just saw this for the first time. This is a an absolutely fantastic demo. I literally shines a whole new light on FIltertrons and semi-hollow guitars for me.
I love both, but I have never seen either applied quite this way. Your love for Cornell's work really comes out.
Austin I've been watching since"The carpet days". I want to thank you.all the time and money and emotional investment you have put in documenting all of these instruments is going to go down in history once all of us are gone somebody could possibly use these videos as reference points. You're doing a good thing
I don't hear filterton pickups often but I always love their dirty gritty driven sounds so much
I don't normally comment on your videos Trogly, but I'm so glad you're looking at the Chris Cornell sig. I'm a massive Soundgarden and Chris Cornell fan, in fact it's why I play guitar. Filtertron style pups are great for rock tones, I feel like they're so underutilized in that context. Thanks!
I took a factory tour of Gibson Memphis and saw an olive green one being manufactured
The reason they don't cleanup the pickup cavities is because on a semi-hollow there is a chance that that material will get caught inside one of the hollow chambers and is very difficult to get out, if I can find it there is a video of the process they use to make ES-335's and 339's i will link it later...
pickup and control cavities in Fenders can also often quite rough edged
@@watkinscopicat That is true...As a professional repair tech I have seen LOTS of expensive Fenders with cavities full of sawdust and debris... Nothing my Shopvac won't cure but at this price this shouldn't be there...
Maybe they should employ some Asian luthiers at Gibson to show them how to do it?
Chris was truly amazing. Haunting was an understatement ...see you on the other side...🙏
I'm not sure you want to go to his side of "the other side".
Great review. Ever thought of working for Gibson. You should inquire for the Q.C. department and research and development. You would be a great asset to the Gibson brand,just saying.😷✌️👍
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That might be too big of a pay cut!
I've been toying with the idea of adding a B5 Bigsby and a Vibramate kit to my SG Standard, not to actually use the Bigby, but just to help prevent neck dive.
Same
Did you ever end up adding a Bigsby to your SG? I did this to my Edwards SG copy, and actually wasn't as happy with the tuning stability (SG's thin neck joint?) than i was when i added a bigsby copy to a Casino Coupe.
As a fan and definitely not trying to stir things up, I have to say I often think that the official story is lacking on many fronts.
Chris cornell, one of the greats of my generation and cool guitar. RIP
Lucky owner of one of the black ones. Love it!
The first time I ever heard Chris Cornell was when he did the bond song for casino royale “you know my name”
Please review the Jim root jazz master and/or telecaster
Thanks for the coverage on this one! No chance to see one in person so it is great to see and hear this great guitar in action on your channel.
I really like the olive finish and the Bigsby as well as the Lollar Trons. I have a set in one of my Washburn Idol guitars and they sound amazing.
AMS made an olive drab run of the es-335 and a bunch of other models. Glossy, but if you're after that color it's a less expensive option :)
Great review!
Dammit, now I REALLY want one of these..... Thanks for throwing some Soundgardenesque licks in the demo.
“Tribute”. You mean easy money.
FWIW: an approximation of the black one can be done without too much difficulty: there are Nashville-built Satin ES-335s available for $2600 (though it looks like only some retailers have black, and it's not on the website anymore), and a pair of Lollartrons can be bought new for about $370.
i’ve gotta say, your playing demos have come a long way since I started watching
the sound character on this guitar is amazing. that sly hollow bark in the bridge, and beefy warmth in the neck… wow. this should have been a big production run!!! what a guitar.
The finish droplets around the head stock is caused by 1 of 3 things. The person who sprayed it was standing to far from the guitar and the aerosol dried a little before hitting the surface (common) or the person didn't clean the head of their spray gun (also common). And finally not cleaning the surface (common as well). If I had to guess I would say someone got lazy cleaning the nozzle of the spray gun since it is localized to one area.
As for the tearing on the inside you said was common to see, it happens because as they cut sideways they are cutting across the grain, if you do it too fast then that is the result. They just need to slow down the machine that cuts the pickup pockets and stop trying to do it in one pass. Tear out with a router bit is pretty common and a lot of people have issues when they first use a router. I made a cord for mine that has a dimmer that acts as a voltage increase to control how fast it spins, most modern routers have that feature but mine is a router from the 1950's and is why mine didn't have it.
Cool guitar, I like the color, gives it an old Army motorcycle look. It just screams military with that color.
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Love the sound of that body style. Had a chance to get one when I was a kid and it didn't look cool enough for me at the time. What a bone headed kid I was. 😔🤘
My partscaster 90’s SG has a Bigsby a roller bridge, and locking tuners... the only place that might give me issues is the original nut, but I have some “grease” from Stewmac that I put in there to keep things slippery.
I really like the signature inlay on teh headstock. I think it's a groovy touch. Anyone getting worked up over that has way too much time on their hands, and probably doesn't listen to Cornell sing enough.
I love it. It reminds me of aWW2 jeep. I even prefer the clear knobs.
I finally got the chance to play one of these in a local music store today. It was a black one from 2013. I loved it! But at 8k it's definitely out of my price range.
Oh man, I wanted one of those so bad when they were released. Couldn't afford one. Superb guitar!
Being a huge Chris Cornell fan - Audioslave is one of my favourite bands and his solo carreer is spectacular - all I can say is that this guitar is a real beauty - specially with his signature on the headstock. Wish I lived in the US and had the dough to buy one of those.
@@Rand_al_Thor372 I think you’re wrong. Look for his autograph on Google. His signature is ALSO the logo for the foundation.
Now I AM the wrong one... The foundation has a completely different logo. Check it out chrisandvickycornellfoundation.org/
Man, I would love one of these. That color is eye catching. Mix in the filtertron PUs and a Bigsby and I'm sold. Sadly, these are too expensive for what I could justify spending. I'm a player, not a collector.
I’d love to see the bbking 335 on your show. I’ve always wanted to see how those electronics work
Awesome Demo/Review Thankyou. I am checking out Epiphone Casino in this Worn Olive Drab. Awesome looking guitar. Cheers
Fun Fact: The heat press machine that Gibson uses to bend and form the wood to make the sides of the ES 335 body, (half the body) can do a piece of wood wide enough that once it's formed they can take it over to the band saw and get 4 sides, enough to make 2 guitars. That heat press machine is the SAME one that Gibson has used ever since the ES 335 first started being made in the 1950's!! So while they are now being made in Tennessee, it's still the same machine that they used in Memphis AND in Kalamazoo!!
I do not like that color choice but for some reason I wouldn't mind having one lol. I don't know anything about Cornell other than he is 1 of the 6 original grunge lead singers of which only 1 of them is still alive, Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam. I remember back in the early 90's when other rockers would talk about grunge and they couldn't understand why people wanted to listen to such depressing music and one guy actually said he won't be surprised at all when he hears that one of those guys ended up committing suicide because if the music was any indication as to their mental health condition, it's just a matter of time before one of them does it. Then about 2 weeks later Kurt Cobain killed himself! I like the clear knobs but since I am constantly playing with my volume and tone knobs when I am playing I hate not having numbers on the knob. I have a guitar that uses those knurled knobs without numbers and it's annoying!!
Radiohead is my favourite band, alongside PFloyd, and i totally get what you're saying about depressing music. Even i can't listen to some RH songs anymore, the sadness geta you more and more with age!
Decency aside his signature looks like it was made to go there. Looks like an alternate version of the crown logo that would've gone there instead.
What makes it controversial? The internet 🙄
Thanks for all info... RIP guitar Legend...
He was mostly a Duo Jet player...I wonder why Gretsch never did one
That olive drab finish is better associated with that Gretsch.
I own many guitars, and the 335s are at the top of all my collection. These guitar are a joy to play and sound so good. Not surprised that this one is as good as you described.
as rock fans didn't have a chance to see him sing live is really sad.
I’m lucky I got to see Soundgarden live twice. 2013 and 2014
Recently bought a very slightly used Epiphone Joe Bonamasa ES-335 and the pickup pockets were super clean lol. That limited edition came with a Bigsby and I had to take it off and added a early ES-335 tailpiece that mounted it in the same place, with one Bigsby hole visible, oh well. The Epi is incredibly heavy and even after taking it off it still is over 10 pounds. IMO you need a roller bridge to make the trem work, it will rock that stock bridge. The pups sounded OK distorted but clean, hmmmm, not so much.
Hope all is well. What product did you use on the fretboard?
Man that guitar is amazing, even better with the matt finish. How I'd love to get my hands on one!
Really dig the es335 but always wanted one in light blue or red until seeing this guitar...so many beautiful choices for this guitar
Actually for a “filtertron” those are pretty hot at 5+k. Original filtertron typically run 4-4.5k
Great looking guitar, but the signature in the COA is proper creepy, what were they thinking?
Trogly, do you dislike the Bigsby's mainly because of the "tuning issues" you've encountered or is it more than that? If so there are a number of things you can do to improve the tuning stability. Overlooked most of the time is the spring. Once the spring is broken in, you'd notice a HUGE difference, when they're new they suck!! Does take time and lots of playing. Try taking out the spring put it on a solid flat cement floor, stand it up and with solid sole shoes step on it with your heel, repeat a few hundred times. Then do it again a few days later, repeat once more and ya should be good. Once broken in the spring keeps its memory and tuning is much improved. Personally I prefer the 1 1/4 inch spring, has a bit more travel and is a bit stiffer. Find it keeps the best tuning and when you're not using the Bigsby swing the arm back so it lines up with the rear strap button. This will have the arm resting on the main frame of the Bigsby, essentially locking it in place and tuning will stay perfect when in that position.
Know you've said many times you're not a fan of the Bigsby. Still, if you're keeping this guitar, play around with it, practice, it is another tool that can create some great tones and makes you a better player. Cheers, thanks for another great Video.
What combo were you using to get that tone for your spoon man rift?!! I have an es 335 and I’ve been searching for that tone!
This might be a stupid question, but how would you replace a bad pot on a semi-hollow? I’ve never had one, and saw that there was no backplate. Thanks!
The £ was a bit stronger when the older video was made.
True but the newer models were more expensive to start with. I think in 2013 it was just under 2400 GBP for the green one. The 2019 version I saw was quite a bit more (don‘t remember the exact price).
You should do a musicman stingray guitar
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have roller bridge on all my bigsby and vibrola guitars. no tuning problems at all.
from an engineering standpoint, it's the only thing that makes sense of course.
anyway, keep it up Austin. love your show
This video means a lot to me. Soundgarden is my favorite band and Chris was probably my favorite vocalist every. The fact that he died on my birthday ruined the whole day. I wish I could’ve seen him live. Great review
I concur- would love to see a stoptail on the olive drab version.
Thank you for this demo. Chris was a very different player for sure and one of my favorites!
That guitar is absolutely gorgeous, the pickups and colour are such a nice fit together.
In ‘A Star is Born’ Bradley Cooper’s character also plays an olive drab ES, and I won’t spoil the movie but it is a tragically apt choice.
I noticed that too when watching the movie 😢
any connection to how this looks JUST like a Gretsch Streamliner torino green? (those have the v shaped tailpiece though, some with some without bigsby)
Outstanding pickups with distortion.
Love the sound of this guitar! I’ve wanted one since the first ones came out.
Hi trogly! Would you ever consider reviewing a Brian May Guitar?
Brian may sucks & queen sucks
@@Wyatt42069 wow, you must be a really talented person if Brian May sucks. I’d be interested to see your groundbreaking homemade guitar design and hear your instantly recognisable playing on your uniquely indentifiable songs.
@@Wyatt42069 if that's what you think then. You dont need to tell anybody
@@Wyatt42069 XD
@@okiwatashi2349 Oh please, you didn't give a shit about queen before the movie came out. I know you and all the other annoying new fans think they're the best band ever, but I promise they're not even close
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I saw soundgarden and NIN together back around 2015. Heck of a concert.
I think these are heat and I’m about as big a Cornell fan as they come. But nothing will ever come close to the pre Fender Gretsch Duo jet’s he kept. Black hole Sun, fell on black days, both recorded on the black Gretsch through a Marshall.
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I’m so glad you finally got a chance to do this guitar
Filtertrom pickups are great for hard rock and they are a big part of the AC/DC sound ..
I am a huge Soundgarden fan and I have one of these. I love the signature inlay on the headstock, it's classy and understated, and as a fan, it brings me joy to have a nod to my favorite singer with me on the headstock. The neck feels like butter, and unless you are switching guitars after every song and have a guitar tech retuning the guitar behind you, (like Chris did), the bigsby is unusable. Regarding the COA, in NO WAY would I want the name of anyone who is suing Soundgarden on anything relating to my guitar.
@@Rand_al_Thor372 I'd still rather not. She ran the foundation and has long been suspected of misusing foundation funds, and most recently was accused of fraud and misrepresentation by Soundgarden in their countersuit. Leave that sketchiness out of this beautiful guitar.
I have a 335 with P90 .. is the sound similar? the samples are all distorted ..
that should be a factory second with that gouge on the fret board. with the prices Gibson charges that is unacceptable on a new guitar.
Absolutely
Probably why they're losing more and more sales to fender and other companies every year.
If something in the wiring breaks how do you fix it?
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I believe that the Alvin Lee reissue was the "Festival" model. It has a Bigsby B7 and does not have the Fender Blender volume control. The original Alvin Lee had a TP6.
Really enjoyed your playing this episode especially. Keep up the great work Trogs
Great show Trogly!!
Would be so cool to compare it with the Gretsch Panther that was supossed to be a competitor of the es 335. might sound so a like. Or what you think?
Have you ever produced a video about a guitar with a Bigsby where you don't waste 30 seconds of everyone's time reminding us that you're not cool enough to appreciate it? Because it's ooooooooold.
Man, I'm a huge Chris Cornell fan! I would love to have one of these, but way out of my price range.
The Lollartrons sound great!
That is a great looking guitar and that olive drab really works well here. Your playing was pretty good too....
There is a Chris Cornell statue outside the MoPop (formerly EMP) museum in Seattle. Inside you can see the Woodstock Strat, Eric Claptons Brownie, and the Last Waltz Tele.
love this one. definitely would get if i had the dough. and def slap a roller bridge on there
Not sure what happened with the reading on the neck pickup but could be because the strings are touching the neck pickup and reading went straight to ground