[WARFRAME TIERLIST] All Incarnon Awakening Weapons Ranked/Discussed | Duviri Paradox
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2024
- Let me know what ranking you would change. I'm looking to grab a dual toxcyst riven for when that comes back. Lex incarnon riven already aquired for high level SP hallway clearing.
0:00 Intro
1:50 BUGGED Tier
2:20 Ack & Brunt
3:15 Atomos
4:30 Bo
5:40 Boltor
6:39 Braton
7:29 Bronco
8:40 Burston
9:10 Ceramic Dagger
10:54 Despair
11:46 Dread
12:29 Dual Ichor
13:02 Dual Toxcyst
14:08 Furax
15:15 Furis
16:10 Stalker Melee
17:02 Kunai
17:16 Lato
18:20 Latron
19:19 Lex
20:11 Magistar
21:35 Miter
23:05 Nami Solo
23:50 Paris
24:54 Sibear
25:29 Skana
26:06 Strun
27:15 Torid
28:30 Vasto
29:08 Outro THANKS
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Dread incarnon belongs in bugged tier because the best incarnon option makes your game crash. Also main feedback furis deserves higher, burston higher A/S which I agree with thanks for watching.
Still dont understand why some stances are allowed a 400% damage forced slash proc and most stuff isnt
More like 800%
Personally I think Burston is Low S, or right below Strun. Its incredibly accurate, it can easily reach red crits and it just tears through everything, punch through, ammo efficient. Both regular and incarnon form are enjoyable and effective. It really has quickly become one of my favourite weapons.
I agree, I don’t think dread/burston are in the same category at all. Burston having 600 rounds and insane crits hits S tier for me. I haven’t seen many enemies stand up to a heat, viral or hunter munitions build
@@slingodeluxe Heat viral HM is the build im using. I can move my cursor across the screen and things just die. Its like a long range lawnmower. And seeinga ll the juicy red crits triggers the neurons in my brain.
Honestly, I did not realize how many Incarnon Genesis we got in the first round.
30 in total! Well done, DE! And based on the weapons I have, I can pretty much agree with your ratings.
I'm right there with you on the Magistar. I've been rocking the Sancti on Frost for ages to heal chip damage off defense targets and so forth, got a near-god riven and even a custom name on it. When I saw it was on the Incarnon list I was pumped, but after using it... well, an upgrade is an upgrade, at least.
This is the video I've been waiting for. Thanks Gaz!
Gaz I'm glad you put Torid in S-tier it's my favourite incarnon primary , it's very easy to get incarnon mode going it also stays in that mode for a decent amount of time. I have a riven that allows me to have nearly 250% CC and over 200% Status it comes with built in toxin and is very good at taking down nullify bubbles, it also links to other enemies all I see when I fire this thing is red and orange numbers on screen. I haven't found an enemy that this thing doesn't destroy. you won't be disappointed when you get one. Also the normal fire mode is extremely powerful too.
I'd put Burston in S tier just for the sound design alone. There's a certain primal satisfaction from that heavy rifle sound that I can hardly describe.
I'm kinda glad you made this
With both street fighter 6 and etrian oddysey coming out I haven't done circuit at all this week and have done it every week besides bratons
I'm honestly burnt out from circuit and getting tired of doing long runs only for it to break and lose all of that progress
I was looking forward to dread and despair this week but I just don't have it in me to grind anymore but seeing where they are compared to the other weapons that I did choose makes me feel less fomo because they weren't worth the time anyway and will rotate back soon anyway
This break was needed or I wouldve started hating this game
But I am honestly tired of long circuit runs breaking and me losing an hour+ long runs worth of progress
Nice tier list, agree with everything said and hope that DE buffs all of the mid incarnons in some way. Torid is definitely an A++ weapon and it feels so good, I even went and got rivens for it. Its hilarious how the only thing holding it back is how you kind of have to aim it whereas the Miter and the Latron just does it for you.
It does chain to the nearest if you shot at the ground
Latron's projectiles do miss for some reason. I've seen it miss when it should have hit stuff. Torid in both forms don't, rather there's a low chance for anything to miss at all. The gas cloud is so dumb that I like using it at base form more than incarnon.
Great list, only thing I'd say is I'd definitely put furis in A (u said high B, so fair enough). It puts out a ridiculous amount of status, has great crit stats too, and if u wanna use the augment, it can heal like 10k health almost instantly.
I can't wait to pick stuff up for this new rotation month. Not sure what incarnon to put on my Saryn but others I know for certain.
Ty! 🍻 many weps, would be muuuch easier find out what is worth 'upgrade' first.
Love your vids, Gaz
thanks dude glad to hear it
Great video, pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly. Problem is, no matter how powerful or fun these incarnons are I still keep going back to my Kuva Tonkor.
Any thoughts on a SP circuit warframe tier list?
While I definitely agree that, in the grand scheme of the Incarnon Genesis weapons we've gotten so far, Despair does seem like a pretty solid B tier overall, especially given how rare it is to even get the thing to drop in the first place, something I'd personally like to stress about it is even with there being _way_ stronger stuff by comparison to it, the Incarnon Despair is just _REALLY_ fun to actually use.
The Incarnon form basically being "What if Concealed Explosives was actually good?" really is just a treat to mess around with, since it basically means that even when it's transformed, Despair is still _just_ a throwing knife style weapon without some kind of gimmick that drastically changes the feel of using it unlike the Kunai's head-seeking knives. And as someone who's personally always enjoyed the feel of using the throwing knife style weapons in this game (having even started with the Mk.1 Kunai way back in the day), having one that still has that same feel to it, but both properly respectable damage for its knives (which will hopefully get even better later if/when they fix the weird way that the GunCO mods/Incarnon perks don't interact with the added base damage from the Tier 2 perks for the Genesis weapons) and the added edition of _REALLY_ nice looking explosion effects that itself also happen to deal a very hefty amount of damage, is just great.
And even with the magazine for the Incarnon form being pretty low at only 20 knives, the normal form itself still does pretty good damage and builds up its meter _insanely_ fast, and because it also has a Tier 3 perk that speeds up its already fast reload time by 100%, it still manages to pretty much _always_ be in its Incarnon mode at all times even despite the low magazine size it has. I personally went ahead and grabbed Despair and Zylok (I just wanted to have it on hand for when it eventually gets fixed, since it honestly looked like it will be pretty fun once it does) over Hate and Dread for that rotation, and I've had zero regrets with that decision so far because of how fun it is to chuck out that many knives and explosions in the span of a few seconds.
Im not impressed with Despair for one reason, the ammo is just so low.
Nice list gaz i like it
Ive got a CC,CD, punch through - zoom riven for my dual toxocysts. I renamed them "Broom & brush" and put them on my pillage 's Mesa with cascadia overdrive. I doubt is anything more broken out there
Just let you know the with only a melee equipped perk does not mean no other weapon is allowed, it still work when you hold f and go to melee mode🙃
Thanks I hope that is intended behaviour thus will not be changed in the future.
Not sure if anyone has tried it but Torid incarnon has unlimited ammo if killing enemies in Zaphyr's tornadoes.
In my experience the Bronco can work very well as a primary dps. With Hemorrhage you can get very consistent slash procs, also hitting enemies with punch through creates additional chains, combined with the multishot with every bullet chaining on its own means that when you shoot into a crowd, everyone there will be getting hit.
It's very annoying to build charge on, compared to the rest IMHO.
Ok love the video! Just a small criticism, please choose a different color/font for the weapons list painfull to see that dark red on black!
I appreciate this mostly because you were brave enough to post a tier list.
I also get that its somewhat subjective, and things have niches, and everything can be used everywhere. Blah blah blah. Doesn't change the simple fact that on average some of these kill twice as fast as others. Sometimes I want a simple answer even if its not the whole answer.
Hi Gaz, I hope you’re doing well. I just wanted to know where would you rank the Zariman incarnon weapons in this list. I’m not sure if I should replace the Laetum or Phenmor with any of the weapons at S or A tiers.
most weapons can go to level cap easily, literally just use what is fun
Torid is a beast and straight out hilarious vs corpus, or even better infested, when modded for gas.
I've been kind of hiding my rivened vermisplicer primary with similar stats, but now it's out there, the torid is just way better.
SP infested survival with nova (or whatever you put gloom on really) becomes a disco show of red numbers, you don't get to see what you're hitting, but it still puts a smile on your face.
Burston for me is S tier but I've got a riven for it.
It is literally a spray gun (don't need to pray) and it clears rooms. And still has ammo to spare.
Yeah i stopped using latron as often because i finish most missions in like less than 3 minutes so i usually don't even bother charging it which sucks because the incarnon mode is so fun to use. If i do an endless mission though like defense or survival i always take it, but for regular ones i prefer to use the torid
Pulling my hair out watching this, keep wanting to maximize the tier list window! Please make it bigger next time
danks
In defense of the atomos, if you use your number 2 zariman skill, then blast enemies in the face you can fill up your incarnon meter with 1 or 2 kills.
You mean zenurik?
Zariman skill😂
Zenurik. You mean what I know! 😂
Agree with everything except vasto and kunai bc they both serve the same purpose but they are 2 tiers apart. Also I personally would place kunai higher than vasto as it homes to the head and vasto fan the hand make hard to the head without a near 100% - recoil.
Did you really put torid and lex under miter and ceramic dagger? Sorry man, but I gotta disagree with this one… but for the rest, that is great content you putting out and I enjoy your video!
Furis in B is criminal, Furis with r5 Cascadia Flare is monstrously powerful and it's so weak in normal form and charges incredibly quickly so you're basically always in incarnon mode. It's A tier at least, it's definitely better than almost everything in A up til probably Strun and Burston
On top of that, if you use it on Inaros or Grendel or other high HP frames with the lifesteal mod, you're basically a god until enemies are in the thousands and one shot you through the healing
like i said in the video it's right on the edge of being A tier
Don't use cascadia flare brotha man. Secondary encumber with scorch and primed heated charge +30 status evo makes the furis way better. I don't have a riven but if I did I'd want punch through stat because it doesn't hit more than one target in a straight line. I got 125% status change on incarnon form I think witch just scorch and the galv aptitude mod
@@bob-px3sh depends on if you use a primer, but it melts levelcap anyway
Latron, Torid and Burston are my fav incarnon primaries.
Lex and Dual Toxicyst are my fav incarnon secondaries.
Skana is the best incarnon melee.
*Need to unlock Miter but looks amazing.
Yeah this is vastly underestimating how strong the prisma skana incarnon is despite being a pretty standard melee.
Torid has so much single target dmg, if you build for it (terrible amm eff though, with the multishot upgrade)
Very fair rating, I hate that the Dual Toxocyst/bronco/Lato and Burston/Braton basically got the same incarnon form, seems they ran out of time, but hey most of them are strong and fun.
I use dual toxocyst with Secondary encumber for easy priming. It kills stuff most of the time even as a primer
W tier list
I didn't even realize there was an issue with the Ceramic Dagger regarding how it uses melee damage. I've got a + M. Damage + C. Rate and + range riven, and it absolutely melts everythingggg that gets in its way once its stacked. IF their really is some bug with + melee damage I can only imagine what it will be like if that were fixed.
Glad I never sold my ceramic dagger riven, will pick up the incarnon next rotation.
W Tier List
I pretty much already got all the weapons i wanted except the ceramic dagger and furis. Most hyped for the furis so i can finally replace my kuva nukor
I love kuva nukor but incarnon furis beats it on dps hands down.
Been wanting a toxocyst buff for a couple years now, it being S tier is such a W bruh
yeah just bought a riven for it before releasing this video
@@GazTTV Nice, I got one when the incarnons got leaked.
@@GazTTVtry it out with cascadia overcharge+ pillage
I agree with the tier
dread finally gets the fabled 100sc 100 cc doggo; 10/10
Itsa good thing given how theres variants and people dont want to sell something that has incarnon on it. Also only the strongest of the variants owned shows up in circuit
The Dual Toxocyst may as well be Wisp's signature weapon now lol. Crit/status weapon that chains headshots and is probably the best Breach Surge proccer that I can think of (not that Breach Surge is necessary with it).
An interesting thing about the furax incarnon is that it has a hidden 90% heavy efficiency on heavy slam, letting you go into incarnon while barely touching your combo and without using an evolution or mod/riven stat on it.
i went over this in my furax video, doesn't really change anything unless you're looking to land on enemies all mission long
i'll say this here, because i personally think that magistar is sleeper op
you need to go for a slam build, with things that boost weapon damage like saryn, nourish, roar and such, and the weapon SLAPS
i've been one shotting whole 24 meters circles in steel path, and for a melee weapon, it is FAR less click intensive than any other due to the playstyle being jump -> heavy slam and repeat
I dont know how I feel about the kunai, but I have been having a blast sitting on ivara wire with the crit damage buff while invis and with the auto head locking, it's pretty cracked.
have you tried despair? those explosions are silent very nice for ivara
@@GazTTV I am also curious about Kunai not gonna lie. May deserve something higher?
@@GazTTV ill have to try that, iv been kinda lazy this week, and havnt fully finished the circuit yet, despair is my second wepon this week so ill have to try this out.
The Torid is so strong it wipes out Infested and Grineer in the Steel Path with a single squirt. You need to invest 5 forma though but nothing comes close once it's built. That said the Miter is just better against Corpus. The best use for the Torid is Bile farming on the Steel Path.
I feel it's hard to make a tier lists and easier to compare single target aoe utility and multi purpose (like vasto is single target with some aoe with punch through and ceramic dagger being heavy atk reload of weapons so on) with only some weapons being massively better then the others (matron miter lex being the biggest outliers) has all of them are good to the point of making it a "pick what u want" kind of system where everything works
the vasto has no punch through at base so yeah gonna need to waste a mod slot on that
i wouldnt use ceramic for khora since she automatically builds combo with whipclaw anyway unless you don't already have a high riven dispo stat stick already but even with that high chance any good melee incarnons riven dispos will be lowered. i know riven dispos are changed on amount of people using them and the reason other stat sticks have not been touched is because de doesn't want to touch stat sticks but they probably wont treat ceramic as purely a stat stick like amphis.
Hate isnt bugger per se. Issue is that it shoots explosive projectile with every normal swing, so its not really controllable.
If it would be just heavy swing or jump attacks, it would be fine.
Personally I think with the warframe community the way it is ease of use should be more considered, for that reason I'd rather use strun over latron. Latron incarnon is significantly better, but the base weapon is trash by comparison (as I can oneshot an archon with the base strun) and strun charges quick. So that helps it a lot.
Great video, though!
I would agree with pretty much everything besides two: Boltor and Burston.
-Boltor is high B for me. It's decent but can't compete on the same level as other A tier weapons. (Also, not hitscan and low charge amount compared to most other primaries)
-Burston is easly S tier for me. Can't even count how many times i've out KPS people using latron or miter with this thing in SP... It has such high fire rate, damage and charge amount. King of comfyness aswell. (Plus, It is hitscan and can also be used for things like Eidolons then...)
Also, Dual toxocyst and Torid are both disgustingly strong and diserve to be high S tier imo. Just under Latron and Miter maybe. (Also as a plus, torid must be the single best anti-infested weapon in the game now, surely. Because it only needs 2 bodyshots to charge the incarnon form)
Anyway, great content, keep it up mate!
id honestly argue bolter S tier with burston. i have used both and both are great. and for me boltor has been much better. its damage has been much better with less mods equipped. i have had 1 very minor problem with it and its the first kill in missions but that is easily solved with breach surge or eclipse and after that it shreds everything
Has anyone tried kunai incarnon with xata whisper and punch through? is it become srpeadable or not? im planning to get kunai next and just curious about those interaction
nope
The end of this episode needed the jojos outro guitar
So glad that the Latron is the pinnacle on your list. It always had the most crit potential from all original prime weapons.
220 CC and x15 (+ bladed rounds) crit dmg and high damage.
It was my first god roll riven and 8 forma weapon Prior to incarnon. I love that fucking thang.
And now mirage has you go full retard on enemies.
I had been using it steel path prior to its incarnon. Took a lot of love and a good warframe but GOD DAMN its almost like my love for it manifested this outcome
Was hoping for a stug incarnon lol
ALSO great rivens can raise one a rank too since the rarely used weapons can have great riven dispositions. I've got a 230 crit one, hahaha
Even without incarnon they can do decent damage with a great riven used correctly.
It is gonna be interesting when they update the dispositions based on the increased usage from incarnons.
Won't be surprised if Miter gets a nerf, they will probably just nerf riven dispo but even with that it really feels too easy to use considering it excels at both single target and aoe
Eh, it's an Incarnon you get from doing SP. They have never directly nerfed *any* of the Incarnon guns so far, the ones from Zariman. At most they'll get dispo nerf and it's done on a 4 month cycle coinciding with Prime Access, so 4 times a year, 0.05 dispo or 0.1 if they decided to be spicy. Riven dispo won't be gutted until the next few years.
@@damearstor2120 disagree, I think they'll drop the popular incarnon rivens the full 0.2 a cycle till their low enough for only a few specific rolls to be useable...they mainly go off of useage stats and these are going to pop up for them
Most of these weapons likely get dispo nerf naturally from just increased usage.
Miter or other weapon in S rank doesnt even need rivens anymore, so its fine.
Torid melts everything it touches, nullies (without an augment), ads, eximus, acolytes. It's been a dream for me. The normal fire is actually better at overguard than the beam
So so right torrid easly best weapon and its normal mode melts acolytes in a couple seconds
Burston - 158mil output in a full incarnon mag. No external damage buffs. S+
they should add crossbow incarnons like the attica.
agreed
Duuude I'd be very excited for an Attica Incarnon. That thing used to be my main gun back in 2016-2018
I disagree on the Dual Ichor. It has everything it needed to excel.
It has a high slash and an innate toxin which can combine to viral with just 1 slot.
The +34% base status chance makes it 49% to proc a status. Combine that with the weeping wounds 11x bonus and you get a ton of statuses on your hits.
The 7+ combo duration bonus makes it so you dont need any combo mods
Then theres the +90 base damage upgrade that adds a 30% speed boost when you finish a combo. The speed boost is very noticeable.
Innately the Dual Ichor has a 3x crit multiplier and 25% cc. Especially the critical damage is amazing to work off of.
When you kill an enemy it leaves behind a toxic thing that actually procs toxin status. Combined with the weeping wounds you get impact, puncture, slash, viral and toxin on your enemies, triggering a 400% damage boost from condition overload.
For me the Dual Ichor actually replaced my Guandao Prime build. I highly recommend you to pick up the dual ichor, the incarnon mode covers up all the flaws it had.
i didn't put it down with the impact melee's for a reason
Where is the felarx and fenmor ?
Lex for me is A tier, it is slow to reload incarnon mode, then it has few shots and all over again. I know with one shot it can wipe almost anything but too slow for me and my bad aiming
Burston is s tier
I would definitely suggest giving kunai another try. It's no aoe machine, but it can do some fantastic single target damage with a pure slash build and deadhead. It at least deserves to be in a tier above impact melees. I honestly have been preferring it over despair, but I think low B or high C would be fair for it
Burston is S teir and despair is at least A you only need 1 face shot to fill the meter so you can get it back really easily
An incarnon MIGHTY SEER would be elite
furax incarnon have hidden buff. After heavy slam it get 90% heavy attack efficiency for 1s. It possible to get 2 heavy attack after heavy slam with 90% efficiency. I don't know why de decided to hide that and put a info about candle fire in description instead.
yes i put that in my furax video, funny thing is it changes basically nothing (unless you're constantly landing on enemies)
Dual tox isnt built in viral. Headshots trigger the frenzy buff that works in incarnon mode, doubling fire rate and adding toxin damage as a "hidden mod". Still very good, but not built in viral.
They need to release Furis Prime
Gaz are anyone of these weapon useful for archon hunts if build properly ? getting tired of Kuva Hek , Felarx meta
boltor is good sure vasto would be good too but haven't tested them on archon much
Latron normal form works pretty well - crit build + Double Tap + Deadhead. Also gives you the flexibility of killing normal enemies with it in both normal/incarnon modes. It's my new go to weapon for a crit Ivara build.
The Lato Vandal actually gits crazy better stat upgrades than the Lato Prime and pulls them on parallel. Vandal actually pulls ahead in every stat except Status Chance once fully incarnon upgraded. Don't disagree with it being in C tier overall, but it is sadly objectively better than the prime (much like Skana Prime)
might want to look again the lato prime is one of the most cracked pistols in the game and has the same riven dispo iirc
Could yall imagine how broken a synapse incarnon would be
Where is your vid on Latron? 😅
it will be out in about 2 weeks
Hey gaz, remember me 😁
Dual toxocyst being S tier isn’t controversial. That’s a badass secondary.
Sibear needs a big follow through buff to turn it into a op mele. Also the evo 4 options for sibear are dookie u can onoy pick crit
furis is S tier. it is amazing
No way burtsun is a it should have its own tier
Either way, all of these weapons slap in steel path so use whatever you want
At 24:14 Multiple GAZ PROCS :P
I think people are massively overrating Ceramic Dagger's use as a statstick for Khora. Her Whipclaw builds and sustains combo on its own, so if you just slap on Naramon you never have to think about combo again anyway. There's more of an argument for Gara since her abilities don't build combo, but even then you're either not getting enough initial combo for you to be able to stop worrying about combo, or you're also wasting mod/riven slots on initial combo that could otherwise be used on more damage. Plus there's the fact that you have to be getting kills with your primary to stack initial combo in the first place, so it's not even really initial combo at that point, you still have to build it up. I've never played Atlas though, so I have no idea how it would be on him.
Imo skana is a better statstick for khora rather than ceramic dagger. I'd only use ceramic dagger as a statstick if I'm using gara
Why are you saying the toxocysts being S tier is "controversial"?
They are easily one of the best, haven't seen one person complain about them at all...
people have already been complaining about that placement in the comments. basically bcuz its above things like dread and burston
@@GazTTV imagine if the knell prime had better stats and was easier to use... AND it has guaranteed toxin saving you a mod slot...
My only complaint is the spread they get but it doesn't really matter.
@@GazTTV People wouldn't complain if they used punch through on them due to how ricochet works with it, they are way better than the Burston and Dread and it really isn't even close.
I made a Prisma Skana and it got better than a Kronen Prime
I’d still but braton above burston, 2m aoe with 100% fall off freakingly sucks, might aswell make it a single target. Braton is 3m 10% fall off, no competition there. I agree with all the rest, surprisingly
Only placement i somewhat disagree with was the torid placement as someone who picked it up the week it was around (maybe toxocyst as well but you mentioned that). Is it good? absolutely. is it latron/miter/lex tier? not in my opinion. id put it in high A tier
People are gonna hate on this list all i gotta say is pretty much all of these weapons are better than most of the base weapons in the game if u choose to use a incarnon adapter weapon ur choosing a good weapon. exceptions of the melees for the most part but they are pretty strong in their categories as well tbh.
nope you are right, these are all still the best weapons in the game (even the bo)
STUG WHEN?
Id argue kunai is better than despair. Depairs aoe is more of a primer, since its damage isnt neaely as good as its hit. Kunai on the other hand easily destroys anything in its way via deathtrap trigger
Also, dual toxocysts > every other secondary incarnon, i love these things
buston not being on s is criminal considering u put toxocyst there
S tier is reserved for the best stuff I would call burston very good but not the best (miter latron)
I went from farming 2 incarnons a week to now only one. After lvl 5 I’m kinda like fuk it lol
dual ichor is actualy realy good tho just go for a high slash and tox build
which is why i didn't place it down with most the other melee
@@GazTTV tbh that answer is to simple you dont have the incarnon version so you dont know how good they are yet, imo they should be ranked higher then ack n brunt
Lato vandal is far far better than bronco incarnon. I have both and bronco is crap to use in regular mode, has too few rounds in incarnon and does a lot less damage. Lato one hits entire squads in sp, feels nice in regular mode and still hits hard with a good mag size. I dont even use the "meta" picks on it bc im not fussed on the quick switch perks and it still nukes. Im also using a viral slash set up and it still annihilates acolytes. With corrosive even better but i personally prefer viral slash.
Also your point with the prime, de made a point to make the prime equal to vandal by nerfing the incarnon perks for the prime.
thanks for watching!
Uh... My dual ichor in C tier, that hurts
boltor ain't no slash weapon,
it's raw damage kicks ass
in simulacrum it does 87MIL damage (1 of 3 multishot) on headshot for a Primed, Armor stripped Corrupted heavy goon eximus
in real gameplay, disruption demolyst , primed and armor stripped,
it does 1.5Mil damage, and that's one of 3 multishot
so a total of 4.5 mil damage on a demolyst from a single shot
I agree nearly to 100%
But miter is only a A when you consider evrithing
The standard fire mod is so horrible and annoying
Definitely negative score in usability
yes
If u never put gas on the atomos do it
have not tried that yet
I know theres videos on all of these but making a tier list without having all of the incarnons yourself is a little prematur as you dont have any first hand use experience with each. Good example here is the ack and brunt that i dont think you got, Ack n brunt is easily the best incarnon melee and better than 95% of the incarnon primaries that all have the same gimmick of “now it does aoe”. If you have an active melee playstyle mixing up your combos, the slide attack projectile literally doubles your kps, especially if youre stripping. It literally hits for 20-100m on basic attacks because of final harbingers multipliers and does damage cap on its heavy with minimal set up. Gaz youre killing me with these takes lately
its the highest placed melee besides the ceramic dagger quit belly aching
Not only are Toxocysts really strong, they are also the most fun out of all the incarnons ive gotten so far