*TIMESTAMPS* I'm on Twitch too now! See me live at: www.twitch.tv/aznvasions NEW Gun CO Spreadsheet: tinyurl.com/GunCOv2 Thank you to my community and builders from the unofficial discord: cubezapper, sealy, wisdom, fishu, ninjase, arbitrary froggo, chillywill, and more... 0:00 Intro & Contexts 0:29 Bladestorm Changes? 0:56 How Has Bladestorm Changed 1:42 Clone Damage Mechanics 2:13 Buffing & Stat Sticking Bladestorm 3:07 What This Works On BLADESTORM STAT STICKS 3:31 Innate Damage Stat Sticking 4:06 Mod Scaling Stat Sticking Rules 4:29 Mod Types For Stat Sticking 4:47 Clones Crit & Status Scaling 5:12 How To Make Clones Crit 5:39 Removal of Bladestorm Animation Speed Cap AUGMENTS & ABILITIES 5:51 Ability Buffs Interaction 6:32 Innodem Incarnon Tree Perks 7:39 No Need For Rising Storm 7:53 Jat Kittag Vulcan Blitz 8:29 Amalgam Furax Body Count 9:07 Furax Wraith Incarnon Tree Perks STAT STICK BUILDING 9:31 Purpose Overview 9:44 Innodem Incarnon Tree Perks 10:16 Innodem Plug 10:29 Build 01 | Innodem Bladestorm Max DPS (Pure Bladestorm) 11:48 Build 01 | Attack Speed Multi-purpose 12:24 Build 02 | Balanced Innodem Bladestorm (Raw Corrosive) 12:50 Build 02 | Mod Swapping & Damage Loss is OK 13:31 Build 03 | Furax Wraith Incarnon (Stunlock DPS) 14:16 Dealing With Acolytes & Primaries & Focus School 14:38 Pistol Primers ASH BLADESTORM 14:59 Build 01 | Ash Bladestorm Reference 15:26 Silence Utility & 100+ Range 15:46 Alternative Option Freedom on Ash 15:59 Arcane Trickery 16:23 Enemy Radar Utility & Companion Build 16:32 Conclusion
Anyone have the link to the unofficial warframe discord, I think I used to be part of it but left when I was cleaning up my overcrowded list of discord servers. And I can’t seem to find a working invite link
ash also performs insanely well with Silence from banshee and augment mod for said ability it gives 300% damage for finishing move which Ash`s spectors do, it works insanely well
Don't worry about this stuff. I get it because I've been off and on the game for years, but new players can't even do most of this, so you're basically in the wrong place to begin with lol. To make a warframe strong, just play the game and experiment. To make them stronger, look up a build guide. To make them absurd, farm archon hunts, seek arcanes, hunt eidolons, etc. You don't need to do any of that tho, not until you decide to start trying endgame content, which you'll know you've gotten to when you get one tapped by regular grineer or the like
Id check Brozimes most recent video on him he doesn’t use the innodem in that one cuz at the time it wasn’t out but hes a lot simpler in big damage go brr cuz funny haha
I feel like this was their " sneaky asset early dump " before Kullervo's release. We saw changes and tweaks in some combat interactions before Duviri launched and the actual content drop was significantly smaller than anticipated on Steam. This could be permanent or an example of Spaghetti Code that will be shipped with Kullervo's release to make one of his abilities function with his signature melee.
I was maining ash from the launch of duviri and when I was doing some hour long survivals on Circulus for voruna and bladestorm was just deleting level 200+ steel path enemies on the first hit with my stropha equipped. I assumed it was just the interaction between savage silence but I do remember a few times when I didn't have silence up and it one shot anyways.
Man you're such a beast at builds in this game. Dude. Not nearly enough recognition. I love using your builds. Wish people would be nice and subscribe. Learning that ash back kinda makes me happy. Attack speed clone limit was so dumb.
Thank you very much for your video, I was testing blade storm yesterday, and I was shocked that blade storm clones were one shot kills lvl 190 corrupt heavy gunners, there were no damage numbers, no slash teks, just clone finisher and the gunner dies and his corpse turns black, I had to test it on exo officers to see the slash teks but still a huge chunk of their health bar just dissappears once a clone hit the officer. I didn't understand why or what is that, I thought it was simulacrom bug and went to test it in real SP mission and the same results occurred. I went to sleep still wondering why is that happening with ash blade storm, then your video was launched today, now I know that I wasn't even utilizing ash clones to their maximum potentials. Thank you for your amazing video.
This one was a "bug" and was "fixed" during dagath update. i feel kinda sad that this shouldve been what ash needed as a buff. DE shouldve kept this mannnnnnn
@@excaligaming2435 his blade storm was, obviously norn was referring to using blade storm, so the comeback is that it is working again at higher levels. I doubt many people level capping with ash have been using blade storm lol
To anyone wondering, yes this was nerfed. Bladestorm no longer uses your melee as a pseudo exalted. Ash is back to the obscure and mostly useless corner once again, thanks DE.
@@DappyPower2610 Just went out of my way to test it just then with all recommended mods on an innodem with the required build. It doesn't work, with or without mods the clone finisher attack damage is the exact same and its terrible.
@@glovely4119 just went to lvl 8k in void cascade with it just fine last night the build works fine it takes less than 3 mins to see that it does work in sim
@@DappyPower2610 must be from a paralel universe where they didn't change it, to anyone reading this comment chain just try and see if it works for you.
The greatest thing about this is that it allows to keep a similar build to the thousands / million slash procs Bladestorms - which I like a lot - so I am already thinking of a build more of my liking, since I wouldn't like to dump the strength, as it affects Savage Silence's finisher multiplier, and don't think much range and duration are needed, plus Arcane Nullifier and Streamline I'd swap for Molt Augmented / Efficiency and maybe Rising Storm / Smoke Shadow, as the energy economy with this type of build is already very reasonable, and this would allow for comfy gameplay for also primaries and secondaries. Can't believe the amount of people crying over this going to be "nerfed" when it was introduced on Veilbreaker - apparently. Would like to see the level cap one shots you mentioned though, maybe as a clip for the next video or during a stream? Great informative work as per usual Azn :) (Though I know I'm most likely not going to try out the build just enjoy seeing the theorycrafting lul)
Great. As an avid Ash player I wanted him to finally get a rework; instead he's just unintentionally broken and will be left in limbo once they fix this. Thanks for the testing and the vid anyways.
Meanwhile, strenght is no longer a dump stat, in fact, from the testing i did, strenght is very important, specially when using silence with the finisher boost augment. Got 200+ strenght for around 700% finisher damage while silence is active.
Ofc, this build is outdated especially given the slash rework for armored targets, slash now deals damage depending on armor, so it's kinda useless unless you got some armor strip
I've tested the Bladestorm animation difference at +50% attack speed (Primed Fury alone) and +110% attack speed (Primed Fury + Quickening + Innodem's Evolution 2 perk). The animation speed difference looks virtually the same (including time-required-to-kill an enemy) between +50% and +110%. The only caveat that does in fact speeds up Bladestorm's killing animation beyond the +50% speed cap is sliding while bladestorm's killing animation is occurring. It halves the time-required-to-kill all the marked enemies.
So that's why there's a lot of Ashes in the Circuit right now, although they dont seem willing to last till at least reaching 1k+ levels in SP circuit even tho they can survive and last that long.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 Yet I still see more Ash usage in Circuit. I think its more so that if their Ash pops up in their choices, they just instantly pick it.
@@rinz5027 you need a statstick for the mechanics presented in the video to work. You can't guarantee a statstick to appear in the circuit and so if you ever see someone picking ash in circuit it's probably not because of the mechanics shown in the video
I highly doubt that's the reason, it's the same issue with Khora, she can't function well if her 1st doesn't have a decent statstick melee to support it. the one advantage Ash has is his invisiblity. so it's probably one reason why he gets picked.
Why would you use Spring-Loaded over Primed Reach, by the way? You would need the Madurai polarity to minmax the raw damage build either way, right? Also, if you're not running endurance, would an Incarnon Dread Despair Hate build work fine for general use, with just a half statstick, viable Hate build?
@@Aznvasions Got it. Although I am curious, is this strong enough that a regular, functional Hate build would work fine? Just wondering because I want to see if the Edgy Stalker Cosplay incarnons are fun enough to be worth using on my Ash, who lacks an outfit and a set of themed weapons for fashionframe.
has this been patched or fixed? cuz in my testing finisher dmg mods arent giving anny additional dmg boost to blade storm. enemy health is the same as without these mods
My question is now with melee arcanes which,if any,work? Crescendo would mean you wouldn't need the bladestorm augment but you could also run exposure to remove the need for corrosive mods. 🤔 Edit: Just learned Melee Crescendo does work. You do NOT need combo meter mods anymore as Bladestorm will permanently increase your combo count for the whole mission.
You didn’t need it anyways because the hits from the shadows already increase the combo counter so all you have to do is keep using the ability you build for
I am so hyped to try this, and I love that I can have a build that keeps Teleport instead of Shuriken. I suppose Savage Silence for scaling, but I wonder which Helminths I'll play around with. Breach Surge is one I really like with this kinda thing whenever there's no armor in the way, but part of this setup's appeal is that it bypasses armor.
Since weapon type affects back/front finisher damage multiplier , I'm thinking about two weapons that can be fun to play eventually, and that I will test out when I got time : - Destreza Prime, since rapiers have the highest finisher multiplier (x24, in comparison to x6 of daggers), and that rapiers finishers have a guaranteed slash proc. - Arca Titron, as Hammers have fairly high finisher multiplier (x24), and highest single-hit multiplier (x12), and that Titron's passive is so hard to charge while using a "classical" stance because of all the slams in their auto-combo, maybe the charges are triggered by clones, or at least by Ash when he joins, which would allow for a quick charging of the passive...
It's interesting how the wiki still states that damaging mods like pressure points do NOT increase the dmg but strength does. + I'm interested if his 4 would trigger melee influence
Bladestorm +savage silence +stat stick is all you need to make him kill everything with a single button. You can also use epitaph to prime them before using bladestorm and you will do more damage! Also I think arcane fury also affects bladestorm, but I’d much rather have energize to keep my energy up.
I know it´s an older video but how would you recommend to play him after the nerfs to his 4? Still build for his 4 with Silence since it still enhances the dmg or just full weapons platform in stealth (whereas my question why not just play Loki then). Ty :)
@@ashtonwebber843 mostly innodem incarnon perks and Finisher dmg scaling. It used to be enhanced by Finisher dmg mods but now only with ability strength and Banshees Savage Silence. Oh and combo X, and that melee dmg aura mod.
As far as I know this wasn't a thing 5-6 weeks ago. I was trying to perfect an ash build at the time and this wasn't working, but I noticed the uncapped attack speed, so it might have been something incremental.
So I DID notice him doing more damage with Bladestorm the other day! I wasn't going crazy. Well, more crazy. I like to use Aqua Blades on Ash. Just run by and rub up against everyone and watch them all fall over. Throw in some viral and magnetic to speed things up. Good times. :D
It's really weird but this doesn't seem to be working for me. I don't seem to be getting any extra damage based on what melee weapon I have and the mods on it.
Now just add melee crescendo to melee and melee guidance to augment, adjust build acordingly, i'm using nourish, It's pretty fun. I also used the syam with or without tenokai it can work , use build 2 remove spring loaded (use nautilus) remove quickening, and 60/60 mods with status effect bonus and sac steel and heavy melee damage bonus mods like killing blow and primed attackspeed mod to speed up animation, it's quirky but really fun if you wanna cosplay as a ninja use ninjutsu with 4 and swing your blade, enjoy, 1 blue shard, 4 purple
ty for the vid. old ash wasnt really less op, i think its just made for mostly newer players. also i dont understand why roar doesnt work now, but eclipse does
what i wish they would have made him, like in the old days, you press ult, and the bladestorm just activates within a certain range. I would be even happy if they made it to a 80 degree cone and everything gets just hit with teh bladestorm. because now its allways 3 marks on the enemy which doesnt make any sense to me. either bring back the old times or make it at least a cone right infront of him without us lock on every enemy.
Don't call it a bug or broken please. Ash can finally use this as a saryn style nuke build and be more relevant than that guy hiding on a different tile from the squad to do anything.
Ceramic dagger or any high stat low damage, but in innodem can be earned through zariman. It’s okay to join a little underleveled. Join a clan and get the ignis or even better the ignis wraith through the dojo. Those should carry you through the zariman.
How would a regular 5 out 5 disposition Karyst with a stat stick riven compare to innodem? The riven is melee damage, finisher damage, toxin, with a negative.
Im a returning player and trying to catch up to everything new. I dont understand the strength dump? Testing in the simulacrum I can definitely tell a difference when I have strength mods in.. what am I missing?
Does this still work or have they reverted the changes? Using your max DPS Innodem build and having tried a few variations of the ASH build I am getting nowhere near this type of damage. I've even tried it with Savage Silence and this plain will not kill a 150 Steel PAth Corrupted Heavy Gunner. Never mind the clone one shotting them
They patched it, but i can still kill reasonably well with 264% strenght and silence in his 1, with the augment for 892% finisher damage. Plus molt augmented. I will also add some archon shard for even more strenght and then it is going to one-shot almost all.
@@JuGMod Where can i find an updated discussion on this? I'm fairly noob and ash has been the most complex frame to understand how to build until now because of how convoluted AND changed things are. I learned how to build him in two different ways only to find it is outdated.
now if they would revert back to old bladestorm so you don't have to mark targets manually. It was a dumb change. Every other warframe nuke is 1 pop laziness why do I gotta spin around 10 times to mark everything with ash.
Awesome video. These seem more like "mis-shipped, unfinished experimental changes" than random bugs to me. Question about elemental damage: according to the wiki, elemental damage is normally applied at only 50% value on finishers. Does this not apply to the clones, or are you already factoring that in your calculations for best mods in slot? (Apologies if I missed the answer in the video.)
@@penisboss5976 then how did they get 2500 kills and ~65% team DPS in a 90 minute Steel Path Circuit (1000 kills and ~75% team DPS in the first 15-30 minutes) with a Kronen Prime and no built guns, with Mirage, Mesa and Nekros barely getting any kills and only having a total of 1500, 600 and 700 kills respectively? You'd think Nekros' Despoil + Mirage's Explosive Ledgermain and Mesa Peacemakers would've killed the enemies before Ash's Bladestorm manages to kill all of his marked enemies, but me and the other two could barely even build our Molt Augmented stacks until way later on.
@@youraverageguy4930 Because there are bladestorm builds that work without a stat stick, and can deal upwards of 1m true damage per mark. I have one, and it has worked since the helminth update, without ANY bugs.
I really want to know if this is intended or not and I'm having trouble finding definitive proof that it's intended since if this is just by accident, I don't know how long this will last
Yes but it doesn’t buff the damage of the shadows themselves, but that’s exactly why I rather dump duration since you don’t need that when you have arcane trickery for invis
Exposure (Corrosive) doesn't seem to, but needs testing. Crescendo (Combo) seems to, but stacking only seems to work on initial hit, but total combo has and does still apply
Does this still work? I can't find any record saying this behavior was fixed, but the Wiki also doesn't mention this change of melee weapons working with his bladestorm either...
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0:00 Intro & Contexts
0:29 Bladestorm Changes?
0:56 How Has Bladestorm Changed
1:42 Clone Damage Mechanics
2:13 Buffing & Stat Sticking Bladestorm
3:07 What This Works On
BLADESTORM STAT STICKS
3:31 Innate Damage Stat Sticking
4:06 Mod Scaling Stat Sticking Rules
4:29 Mod Types For Stat Sticking
4:47 Clones Crit & Status Scaling
5:12 How To Make Clones Crit
5:39 Removal of Bladestorm Animation Speed Cap
AUGMENTS & ABILITIES
5:51 Ability Buffs Interaction
6:32 Innodem Incarnon Tree Perks
7:39 No Need For Rising Storm
7:53 Jat Kittag Vulcan Blitz
8:29 Amalgam Furax Body Count
9:07 Furax Wraith Incarnon Tree Perks
STAT STICK BUILDING
9:31 Purpose Overview
9:44 Innodem Incarnon Tree Perks
10:16 Innodem Plug
10:29 Build 01 | Innodem Bladestorm Max DPS (Pure Bladestorm)
11:48 Build 01 | Attack Speed Multi-purpose
12:24 Build 02 | Balanced Innodem Bladestorm (Raw Corrosive)
12:50 Build 02 | Mod Swapping & Damage Loss is OK
13:31 Build 03 | Furax Wraith Incarnon (Stunlock DPS)
14:16 Dealing With Acolytes & Primaries & Focus School
14:38 Pistol Primers
ASH BLADESTORM
14:59 Build 01 | Ash Bladestorm Reference
15:26 Silence Utility & 100+ Range
15:46 Alternative Option Freedom on Ash
15:59 Arcane Trickery
16:23 Enemy Radar Utility & Companion Build
16:32 Conclusion
Is there a way to get in contact with you? There is something I can show you on Garuda
Anyone have the link to the unofficial warframe discord, I think I used to be part of it but left when I was cleaning up my overcrowded list of discord servers.
And I can’t seem to find a working invite link
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is it fixed yet ?
how would we mod this build today? what elements?
The amount of research and build testing you did just to get this video out to us is amazing, definitely subbing.
Not to mention he was being helped by a few friends. But whatever
He gave credit at the beginning of the video to the community for helping as well
Try looking into Kengineer, both these guys are insane when it comes to testing and had a lot of community helping them too~
ash also performs insanely well with Silence from banshee and augment mod for said ability it gives 300% damage for finishing move which Ash`s spectors do, it works insanely well
I have nearly 900% with current strenght. XD
@@JuGMod well by the time I was commenting, the augments weren't affected by mods duh
It is very rare to see such a good script and video organization.
Dense information delivered in comprehensive manner.
I am impressed.
Innodem + bladestorm has always been strong, now its just insane
Dont act like you know sht
as a relatively new player just about to finish the star chart...this is totally overwhelming
Don’t worry man. I’m mastery 19 and I’m overwhelmed by this. These videos r for the ppl who don’t touch grass. More end game stuff this is
@@Shamurai0612 fr man i just want to make my space ninja strong but not this much
It's overwhelming for someone with 8k hours
Don't worry about this stuff. I get it because I've been off and on the game for years, but new players can't even do most of this, so you're basically in the wrong place to begin with lol. To make a warframe strong, just play the game and experiment. To make them stronger, look up a build guide. To make them absurd, farm archon hunts, seek arcanes, hunt eidolons, etc. You don't need to do any of that tho, not until you decide to start trying endgame content, which you'll know you've gotten to when you get one tapped by regular grineer or the like
Id check Brozimes most recent video on him he doesn’t use the innodem in that one cuz at the time it wasn’t out but hes a lot simpler in big damage go brr cuz funny haha
I just got Ash 2 days ago and was already looking for an up to date build. This came as a most pleasant surprise^^
I feel like this was their " sneaky asset early dump " before Kullervo's release. We saw changes and tweaks in some combat interactions before Duviri launched and the actual content drop was significantly smaller than anticipated on Steam. This could be permanent or an example of Spaghetti Code that will be shipped with Kullervo's release to make one of his abilities function with his signature melee.
Now you made me think
Maybe his passive will be dmg buff with daggers just like Excalibur, or even better like Yareli with secondaries
@@taigerpendragon5938 Well, he has throwing knives on his body so you might be onto something. Maybe we will see Despair incarnon Kullervo meta? 🤔🗡️
I was maining ash from the launch of duviri and when I was doing some hour long survivals on Circulus for voruna and bladestorm was just deleting level 200+ steel path enemies on the first hit with my stropha equipped. I assumed it was just the interaction between savage silence but I do remember a few times when I didn't have silence up and it one shot anyways.
Man you're such a beast at builds in this game. Dude. Not nearly enough recognition. I love using your builds. Wish people would be nice and subscribe. Learning that ash back kinda makes me happy. Attack speed clone limit was so dumb.
Love how detailed and in depth your videos always are ❤
This is not only informative but it’s also easy to understand and follow the entire video, amazing job
The effort and importance of this video to me "Ash enthusiastic" is well enough to sub to this channel. Thank you.
Thank you very much for your video, I was testing blade storm yesterday, and I was shocked that blade storm clones were one shot kills lvl 190 corrupt heavy gunners, there were no damage numbers, no slash teks, just clone finisher and the gunner dies and his corpse turns black, I had to test it on exo officers to see the slash teks but still a huge chunk of their health bar just dissappears once a clone hit the officer. I didn't understand why or what is that, I thought it was simulacrom bug and went to test it in real SP mission and the same results occurred. I went to sleep still wondering why is that happening with ash blade storm, then your video was launched today, now I know that I wasn't even utilizing ash clones to their maximum potentials. Thank you for your amazing video.
True Damage has the status effect of death.
you're in my fyp now. Glad to see that you're doing well with wf content!
This one was a "bug" and was "fixed" during dagath update. i feel kinda sad that this shouldve been what ash needed as a buff. DE shouldve kept this mannnnnnn
Fuckin kills me man
Good to see Ash making a comeback. Brings me back to my Karyst gas blade storm lol.
Yooo! Those days were lovely. Rip gas damage
Ash... was never gone? He was always and will always be one of the S tier picks for level capping.
@@excaligaming2435 his blade storm was, obviously norn was referring to using blade storm, so the comeback is that it is working again at higher levels. I doubt many people level capping with ash have been using blade storm lol
@@slingodeluxe ? the standard BS slash build does millions of slash damage. you can easily onetap 9999 demos without this new tech
I would agree that Ash was already VERY strong. Stealth + armor strip before even considering the helminth system is good enough to be A-tier MINIMUM.
i was just looking for a bladestorm build yesterday, Thank you!
Does Warcry contribute to the specters' attack speed?
To anyone wondering, yes this was nerfed. Bladestorm no longer uses your melee as a pseudo exalted. Ash is back to the obscure and mostly useless corner once again, thanks DE.
smh it does work
@@DappyPower2610 Just went out of my way to test it just then with all recommended mods on an innodem with the required build. It doesn't work, with or without mods the clone finisher attack damage is the exact same and its terrible.
@@glovely4119 just went to lvl 8k in void cascade with it just fine last night the build works fine it takes less than 3 mins to see that it does work in sim
@@DappyPower2610 must be from a paralel universe where they didn't change it, to anyone reading this comment chain just try and see if it works for you.
@@glovely4119 damage isn't like it is in the video, but yes my testing does show melee mods still have a significant effect
Ash becoming the Head Ninja again
I'm gonna name that build HNIC
This is one of the few times where im actually extremely excited to try a build. I didnt know about any of this and i hope they dont fix it
Oh you poor child you KNOW DE is going to nerf it a shitload
@@javieracevedo2362 yeah, sadly DE is definitely going to nerf this into the ground.
🤓
That’s the beauty of this few people would know then RUclipsr post it then it’s nerfed
@@qwaykes8840 dont snipe me in youtube commets
OG ash player here. He'll always be my main. I've been gone since 2020 and just got back. Appreciate the update to see what's new for a build
This doesn't work anymore bud 😂
The greatest thing about this is that it allows to keep a similar build to the thousands / million slash procs Bladestorms - which I like a lot - so I am already thinking of a build more of my liking, since I wouldn't like to dump the strength, as it affects Savage Silence's finisher multiplier, and don't think much range and duration are needed, plus Arcane Nullifier and Streamline I'd swap for Molt Augmented / Efficiency and maybe Rising Storm / Smoke Shadow, as the energy economy with this type of build is already very reasonable, and this would allow for comfy gameplay for also primaries and secondaries.
Can't believe the amount of people crying over this going to be "nerfed" when it was introduced on Veilbreaker - apparently.
Would like to see the level cap one shots you mentioned though, maybe as a clip for the next video or during a stream? Great informative work as per usual Azn :)
(Though I know I'm most likely not going to try out the build just enjoy seeing the theorycrafting lul)
Thank You for your time on that,I haven't got time to research that myself. Very helpfull 👍
Great. As an avid Ash player I wanted him to finally get a rework; instead he's just unintentionally broken and will be left in limbo once they fix this. Thanks for the testing and the vid anyways.
The way you test things is awesome. I could never do this number crunching shit. I would fall asleep. Thanks homie. ❤
Meanwhile, strenght is no longer a dump stat, in fact, from the testing i did, strenght is very important, specially when using silence with the finisher boost augment. Got 200+ strenght for around 700% finisher damage while silence is active.
Ofc, this build is outdated especially given the slash rework for armored targets, slash now deals damage depending on armor, so it's kinda useless unless you got some armor strip
@@BiscuitHandler Oh i didn't know slash got changed too.
Strength only buffs the slash proc and the silence buff. Because it buffs silence, it indirectly buffs the clone damage and not the clones themselves.
I've tested the Bladestorm animation difference at +50% attack speed (Primed Fury alone) and +110% attack speed (Primed Fury + Quickening + Innodem's Evolution 2 perk).
The animation speed difference looks virtually the same (including time-required-to-kill an enemy) between +50% and +110%.
The only caveat that does in fact speeds up Bladestorm's killing animation beyond the +50% speed cap is sliding while bladestorm's killing animation is occurring. It halves the time-required-to-kill all the marked enemies.
Great vid... don't have all the mods or augs but the build still melts.
Thanks for this.
I love we can still use old frames.
Havnt played warframe in 2 years. Luv it that nothing has changed
ash: omae wa mou shindeiru
a room full of grineer in sync: NANI?!
Sounds about right
A note as of jade shadows, the melee elementalist bonus does not appear to apply to the slash procs based on my testing
So that's why there's a lot of Ashes in the Circuit right now, although they dont seem willing to last till at least reaching 1k+ levels in SP circuit even tho they can survive and last that long.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 Yet I still see more Ash usage in Circuit. I think its more so that if their Ash pops up in their choices, they just instantly pick it.
@@rinz5027 you need a statstick for the mechanics presented in the video to work. You can't guarantee a statstick to appear in the circuit and so if you ever see someone picking ash in circuit it's probably not because of the mechanics shown in the video
I highly doubt that's the reason, it's the same issue with Khora, she can't function well if her 1st doesn't have a decent statstick melee to support it. the one advantage Ash has is his invisiblity. so it's probably one reason why he gets picked.
This is amazing because I just built ash prime from aya yesterday
Very cool presentation! Added Ash to the arsenal after watching this one.
Could one also inquire as to what track was used from around 7:20 on?
Why would you use Spring-Loaded over Primed Reach, by the way? You would need the Madurai polarity to minmax the raw damage build either way, right?
Also, if you're not running endurance, would an Incarnon Dread Despair Hate build work fine for general use, with just a half statstick, viable Hate build?
It's because I have Innodem builds that use both PReach and Spring-Loaded, so I have leftover polarities from older builds
@@Aznvasions Got it. Although I am curious, is this strong enough that a regular, functional Hate build would work fine? Just wondering because I want to see if the Edgy Stalker Cosplay incarnons are fun enough to be worth using on my Ash, who lacks an outfit and a set of themed weapons for fashionframe.
is it just me or was anyone else just like "huh?" "what?" during this whole thing
has this been patched or fixed? cuz in my testing finisher dmg mods arent giving anny additional dmg boost to blade storm. enemy health is the same as without these mods
Same nothing I'm using is buffing it even though I copied the build 1-1
I tested most of the features in the video now, and none of them work. At the time of writing this everything seems to be like the wiki says.
It got fixed during the dagath update, so its not working anymore
@@sylvaindutertre6284 Thank you. Sadly I have onece again missed the boat on ASH.
Ash prime was my first prime I made. Love this news.
Yea... I too played with Ash again recently. Freaked out when i noticed the numbers lol
well im onto getting ash prime since hes just been unvaulted + ill try out some this you do here ;-) nice explanation
My question is now with melee arcanes which,if any,work? Crescendo would mean you wouldn't need the bladestorm augment but you could also run exposure to remove the need for corrosive mods. 🤔
Edit: Just learned Melee Crescendo does work. You do NOT need combo meter mods anymore as Bladestorm will permanently increase your combo count for the whole mission.
You didn’t need it anyways because the hits from the shadows already increase the combo counter so all you have to do is keep using the ability you build for
@@leonsixt2744 Or constantly keep the 12x Modifier bonus for Bladestorm too blus most the other melee arcanes don't work.
Melee crescendo made this build 1,000,000,000 better and easier to use.
I am so hyped to try this, and I love that I can have a build that keeps Teleport instead of Shuriken. I suppose Savage Silence for scaling, but I wonder which Helminths I'll play around with.
Breach Surge is one I really like with this kinda thing whenever there's no armor in the way, but part of this setup's appeal is that it bypasses armor.
Since weapon type affects back/front finisher damage multiplier , I'm thinking about two weapons that can be fun to play eventually, and that I will test out when I got time :
- Destreza Prime, since rapiers have the highest finisher multiplier (x24, in comparison to x6 of daggers), and that rapiers finishers have a guaranteed slash proc.
- Arca Titron, as Hammers have fairly high finisher multiplier (x24), and highest single-hit multiplier (x12), and that Titron's passive is so hard to charge while using a "classical" stance because of all the slams in their auto-combo, maybe the charges are triggered by clones, or at least by Ash when he joins, which would allow for a quick charging of the passive...
ash 4 has its own finisher multiplier
idk bout titron tho
@@noahedenborg4221 Oh, nice to know then !
It's interesting how the wiki still states that damaging mods like pressure points do NOT increase the dmg but strength does. + I'm interested if his 4 would trigger melee influence
Bladestorm +savage silence +stat stick is all you need to make him kill everything with a single button. You can also use epitaph to prime them before using bladestorm and you will do more damage! Also I think arcane fury also affects bladestorm, but I’d much rather have energize to keep my energy up.
New to the game. Ash doesn’t still functionally perform this way does he ? What is different now ?
What's the song running between around 7:00 - 11:00?
I feel like this might've been a WIP change meant for a mini-update/rework that slipped through unintentionally.
this could have been such an amazing ash buff
I’ve been using ash for a long time and I did indeed notice that the melee did affect the dmg
Has this been changed? I can't seem to produce the same damage.
I know it´s an older video but how would you recommend to play him after the nerfs to his 4? Still build for his 4 with Silence since it still enhances the dmg or just full weapons platform in stealth (whereas my question why not just play Loki then). Ty :)
What were the nerfs specifically? I can't seem to find anything that goes over what they were even on the wiki
@@ashtonwebber843 mostly innodem incarnon perks and Finisher dmg scaling. It used to be enhanced by Finisher dmg mods but now only with ability strength and Banshees Savage Silence. Oh and combo X, and that melee dmg aura mod.
Great info!
There is no way this isn't getting nerfed
The good part is that one build keeps the weapon completely functional, so there's no need to do any pure statstick nonsense.
Yes they'll nerf this becasue DE hates it when we have fun / EDIT: 1 year later they nerfed it to the ground.
Maybe someone was testing how to scale him so you arent fucked in circuit 99% of the time unless you are crazy main with finisher builds on all mele
Well it probably wouldn't have but this moron had to bring it to light to everyone with this video so now it will for sure
@@rayleigh3047sick of seeing this comment everywhere
As far as I know this wasn't a thing 5-6 weeks ago. I was trying to perfect an ash build at the time and this wasn't working, but I noticed the uncapped attack speed, so it might have been something incremental.
Very good and educational video.
So I DID notice him doing more damage with Bladestorm the other day! I wasn't going crazy. Well, more crazy.
I like to use Aqua Blades on Ash. Just run by and rub up against everyone and watch them all fall over. Throw in some viral and magnetic to speed things up. Good times. :D
It's really weird but this doesn't seem to be working for me. I don't seem to be getting any extra damage based on what melee weapon I have and the mods on it.
Question isn’t steel charge good cuz your buffing innodem therefore blade storm… no?
Now just add melee crescendo to melee and melee guidance to augment, adjust build acordingly, i'm using nourish, It's pretty fun.
I also used the syam with or without tenokai it can work , use build 2 remove spring loaded (use nautilus) remove quickening, and 60/60 mods with status effect bonus and sac steel and heavy melee damage bonus mods like killing blow and primed attackspeed mod to speed up animation, it's quirky but really fun if you wanna cosplay as a ninja use ninjutsu with 4 and swing your blade, enjoy, 1 blue shard, 4 purple
ty for the vid. old ash wasnt really less op, i think its just made for mostly newer players. also i dont understand why roar doesnt work now, but eclipse does
what i wish they would have made him, like in the old days, you press ult, and the bladestorm just activates within a certain range. I would be even happy if they made it to a 80 degree cone and everything gets just hit with teh bladestorm. because now its allways 3 marks on the enemy which doesnt make any sense to me. either bring back the old times or make it at least a cone right infront of him without us lock on every enemy.
Me as a Ashy boy main: “i am not here to support the violence. I *AM* the violence“
Thank you my ASH frame
Don't call it a bug or broken please. Ash can finally use this as a saryn style nuke build and be more relevant than that guy hiding on a different tile from the squad to do anything.
is this still working?
Edit: what weapon would you recommend if i havent unlocked incarnons yet? (MR8)
Ceramic dagger or any high stat low damage, but in innodem can be earned through zariman. It’s okay to join a little underleveled. Join a clan and get the ignis or even better the ignis wraith through the dojo. Those should carry you through the zariman.
So it's what I was doing a year ago with a blade storm and fatal teleport combo but with only bladestorm now.
How would a regular 5 out 5 disposition Karyst with a stat stick riven compare to innodem? The riven is melee damage, finisher damage, toxin, with a negative.
Im a returning player and trying to catch up to everything new. I dont understand the strength dump? Testing in the simulacrum I can definitely tell a difference when I have strength mods in.. what am I missing?
Doees it still work like this or has it been patched/changed?
Really wish other Frames got love. I'd love for Rhinos charge to be affected by melee mods as well.
Does this still work or have they reverted the changes? Using your max DPS Innodem build and having tried a few variations of the ASH build I am getting nowhere near this type of damage. I've even tried it with Savage Silence and this plain will not kill a 150 Steel PAth Corrupted Heavy Gunner. Never mind the clone one shotting them
They patched it, but i can still kill reasonably well with 264% strenght and silence in his 1, with the augment for 892% finisher damage. Plus molt augmented. I will also add some archon shard for even more strenght and then it is going to one-shot almost all.
@@JuGMod Where can i find an updated discussion on this? I'm fairly noob and ash has been the most complex frame to understand how to build until now because of how convoluted AND changed things are. I learned how to build him in two different ways only to find it is outdated.
What is the unofficial discord link
is this build still viable now? or would you recommend a new one?
now if they would revert back to old bladestorm so you don't have to mark targets manually. It was a dumb change. Every other warframe nuke is 1 pop laziness why do I gotta spin around 10 times to mark everything with ash.
Awesome video. These seem more like "mis-shipped, unfinished experimental changes" than random bugs to me. Question about elemental damage: according to the wiki, elemental damage is normally applied at only 50% value on finishers. Does this not apply to the clones, or are you already factoring that in your calculations for best mods in slot? (Apologies if I missed the answer in the video.)
IIRC, in the stream where he was testing this i heard clones take 30% of your elemental damage
@@mlad35 I wasn't very clear. I saw the 30%. I'm curious whether the wiki is wrong, or whether it's just wrong in this very buggy case.
I don’t have a merry crescendo and I’m trying to build this
So if I want to pick something for circuit ash stat stick now I should go with condition overload first of all?
how do you feel about that melee arcane that increases initial combo permanently for each finisher?
Huh, so that's why that Ash player was outdamaging a squad consisting of Nekros, Mesa and my Ledgermain Mirage in the circuit the other day.
No, this doesn't count as player damage because it's not from the player, that's just something ash could always do with bladestorm
@@penisboss5976 then how did they get 2500 kills and ~65% team DPS in a 90 minute Steel Path Circuit (1000 kills and ~75% team DPS in the first 15-30 minutes) with a Kronen Prime and no built guns, with Mirage, Mesa and Nekros barely getting any kills and only having a total of 1500, 600 and 700 kills respectively?
You'd think Nekros' Despoil + Mirage's Explosive Ledgermain and Mesa Peacemakers would've killed the enemies before Ash's Bladestorm manages to kill all of his marked enemies, but me and the other two could barely even build our Molt Augmented stacks until way later on.
@@youraverageguy4930 Because there are bladestorm builds that work without a stat stick, and can deal upwards of 1m true damage per mark. I have one, and it has worked since the helminth update, without ANY bugs.
I really want to know if this is intended or not and I'm having trouble finding definitive proof that it's intended since if this is just by accident, I don't know how long this will last
Having a hard time one shooting demolists with this. Also does it not count bladestorm clones towards my end if game damage report?
So how’s this work now? Did this get nerfed at some point or is it still intact?
How come strg is useless now? Doesn't strenght boost finisher dmg of savage silence wich in theory, will give you the highest dmg per clone hit?
Yes but it doesn’t buff the damage of the shadows themselves, but that’s exactly why I rather dump duration since you don’t need that when you have arcane trickery for invis
Wait why isn't the jat kittag mod working, did it already get nerfed?
Do any of the new melee arcanes work on the clones?
I am thinking of unlocking the arcane slot but not sure if its worth it.
Exposure (Corrosive) doesn't seem to, but needs testing. Crescendo (Combo) seems to, but stacking only seems to work on initial hit, but total combo has and does still apply
This was wild to watch. What about melee arcanes?
Does this still work? I can't find any record saying this behavior was fixed, but the Wiki also doesn't mention this change of melee weapons working with his bladestorm either...
Is this build valid?
no
Just curious how you would build a nikana prime set up instead? Mods to use and so on
What rivens would I want for Innodem and Furax, for such build?
That syandana looks cool, Anyone know the name?
Do you know if Wrathful Advance works on Bladestorm? I know that it works on other pseudo exalted weapons
We can't see crits
I use this equinox ability and augment to make enemies vulnerable to blade storm
i was able to blade storm void angels recently
Well I guess im happy for main ash, since 2017