Its worse than that. Those bonuses would have been paid out regardless of what was going on. What the real problems is, is that they just dont fucking know where the money has gone. Its disappeared in to the Post Offices consolidated account, never to be seen again! Seems to me that finding how much was paid should be relatively straight forward as its just a total of all the outcomes from the court cases AND the numbers from all the agreements made with the SPM's that didnt result in criminal prosecution. Easily enough found by going through their scrupulously kept records right!
Dont be stupid they are too rich and powerful to be prosecuted.howevrr if you or i defrauded the post office out of 500 quid we would be jailed within a week.😊
£36 million they are saying has been lost, it was a manufactured loss by the horizon system, so it never existed in the first place. The only money missing is the sub post master’s money that needs paying back to them asap.
@damianleah6744 Exactly. 'The Devil in the Machine' created these fake numbers - and evil-doers eagerly 'ran with' this to make false allegations against innocent people. Thousands of lives have been ruined - and we should see some of THEM in Court.
This is the bizarre thing, the finance team had suspense accounts with funds, but there was no reporting of it. I don't know why the finance team has not been thoroughly investigated, brought into the inquiry and KPMG's reports scrutinised. Is there some deeper story about why Tony Blair was so keen to involve Fujitsu / Horizon. The historical data should still be available, and modern computing and forensic techniques should reveal a lot more.
Test, let's prosecute these labias if nobody else does. No money, you just pitch in with research and I think if the authorities dont, crimebodge or I will. Thanks
@@tomricketts7821 Nick Read probably felt it was better to say that the PO didn't really know where it had gone and that they were still working on it. From an accounting treatment perspective it's not that difficult. In general accounting terms, such payment would have been treated as recovered 'stolen' turnover that was being returned to the revenue accounts in the PO finance system. Considering this was a pretty frequent type of posting (bearing in mind there was £36M over the course a few years), it would have had its own revenue account code in the finance system as it wouldn't have been possible for such postings to be attributed to a particular type of business activity e.g. sale of postage stamps or sale of lottery tickets. The total postings in this revenue account code would have been recognised as 'earned' and taken to the P&L as a revenue contribution at the month end finance run. These payments would then become a contribution to the profit side of the PO.
Yeah. At least Sam Bankman-Fried used Quickbooks. This lot appears to be on one long jolly financed by the tax payer and allowed to run unsupervised by the government.
This is case and point exactly what the whole situation is about. No, they didn't keep proper accounts because their accounting system, horizon, didn't work properly.
@@Thebustermann Horizon was their point of sale system. What's being revealed here is that they can't fully account for the millions that they stole from their own employees. That's an issue of corporate accounting, which is supposed to track every penny that moves through their business. It's the bedrock of any well-run business. But not, it seems, the Post Office...
@@kaymeddings4162 they don't know.... ? seems to be a common thread with witnesses representing the post office....i don't know....i didn't know....I wasn't aware....I wasn't informed of that.....that wasn't something that I was privy to.....I wasn't told.....that information was not provided to me.....I don't recall seeing those reports.....etc etc.....this widespread lack of knowledge amongst current and former staff seems rather convenient don't you think?
So, he thinks that the response "I don't know what happened to the money, the accounting system doesn't make sense" is completely acceptable when *he* says it, but is criminal when a postmaster says it. Seems legit.
For goodness sake! Each subpostmaster knows how much was taken from them by the Post Office. Just give them their money back. It’s THEIR money. They don’t need forensic accountants to tell them how much.
Despite a very loquacious statement from Read, answer was there none to Mr Stein's perfectly reasonable question. Just verbiage about 'challenges' and various 'accounts' which are unspecified and which Read is unable or (more likely) unwilling to explain. This man thinks that he is helpful and transparent in his dealings, but is nothing of the kind. A self-serving, duplicitous crook.
Absolutely USELESS!! And clueless! And deceitful! All you have to do is to look at each individual Postmaster, see how much the Post Office illegeally extorted from them; how much they paid the post office - and that's your answer. You reimburse each Postmaster what they were forced to pay - with interest AND compensation . Not hard - just do it case by case. And don't say it takes too long - look how long it's taken already. Do they think that if they drag it out long enough, everyone will forget, or die off - and they will get to keep the blood money?
They need to urgently recall ALL the bonuses paid to senior staff over those years NOW! It’s not the tax payers place to repay the subpostmasters, it it the people who made massive sums of money out of this atrocious and corrupt situation. Plus of course a huge payment from Fujitsu.
What a load of nonsense. They were quick enough to take the money from the postmasters they should settle the dispute straight away and pay interest on the money they have stolen
How the hell did no one take a step back and ask, why do we suddenly have all these people of good character turning to crime? That alone should have been an indication that something wasn't right.
Exactly. Any reasonable person would have thought this. But the managers weren't reasonable people. They knew that this was not happening but still prosecuted knowing that the people were innocent. They should hear the same punishment that they unjustly imposed.
the Post Office employees from the execs down were getting far too much money by way of inflated salary and bonuses to care if the SPMs might have been innocent.
@@acheface The courts have to treat each case brought before them individually and not make any connections. The bosses at the PO knew this, which is why they were happy to carry on prosecuting regardless, whilst conveniently ignoring the obvious trend.
This enquiry has been essential to establish, confirm, identify a myriad of factors relevant to the whole Horizon, Post Office, Fujitsu fraud. It is about time the information was being used to prosecute the individuals concerned. It is about time prosecutions started against the people delaying the just and equitable payment to the host of post masters/mistresses and other victims of this almighty fraud.
@@paulaspinall919 Unfortunately, no prosecutions can commence until the inquiry has ended and the report has been compiled then released to Govt. Then made public, then chewed over by the police and PPS. The reality is, that it is highly unlikely that anyone will face prosecution. Ever. Or possibly just Paula Vennels. It's possible that she will be the fall guy. There will be the usual "lessons must be learned" and "we have taken steps to ensure this can never happen again. Except, it is still happening, errors are still occuring in horizon in 2024. SPM's are still paying back losses from their own money.
They spent far more money on the Forensic accountants, (and still cannot add up/ account for) than all the monies that the wrongfully convicted postmasters ever took and whose livelihoods were ruined - simply abysmal Corporate incompetents.
And don’t forget the fortune they have spent on lawyers, anything except admitting their wrongdoing and simply recompensing the postmasters. I notice the new government has been quiet on this issue, guess they too are hiding behind the enquiry, so billions to spend on roads, but not enough money for sub postmasters, hospitals or anything that would make a difference to us.
The money has gone in their back pockets. Make THEM pay it back with a 1000% interest and return their homes. And pay £1,000,000 compensation to there family’s.Make them pay the costs of this inquiry also. No public money for thieves. Could not honestly answer where money has gone. They should have paid that fee. Cannot find money that to me is false accounting and that is a CRIME AND A FRAUD.
Isn't it about time we brought this to a conclusion by dealing with those concerned in the same manner and with the same speed as the Government dealt with the patriotic protesters a few weeks ago. Come on Kier Starmer get your bloody act together.
So where exactly has the money gone? He skirted around the question. How much longer is it going to drag on before all the innocent PMs receive their money
I still can’t believe the innocent are still waiting for their compensation. It shows the true level of corruption here, the fact that the solicitors and those complicit in the first instance are just spinning it all out to avoid having to pay the compensation out.
I've worked for almost 50 years on industry computer finance systems. I cannot imagine how a computer system can "lose" and not be able to account for where the money has gone. It is just not credible to "lose" that amount of money. Only a Government organisation can be so incompetent.
0 and im sure saying this is agaist community standards .it like mentioning laura kunsberg it a definatly going to be judged by you tube for this comment.
Does anyone notice how Paula Vennells has completed disappeared from the spotlight now. She was enemy no.1 for a whole week and can now get on with her life again.
Sir Wyn's report damn well better not be 'soft' on the PO and their sub contractors, Fujitsu and government. Anything less that full fat damning, crucially including enough 'attack' to be picked up and aid subsequent criminal proceedings. Unfortunately, judgements like this - for 'The People' - rarely come out for The People. It's almost inevitable Sir Wyn will only provide only a soft conclusion...no more than a slap on the back of the hand. I'd love to be proven wrong.
WHY THE HELL IS THIS STILL GOING ON??? Just pay the compensation, convict and imprison all those involved and put the mail service out to tender or at the very least re-nationalise it, no good has ever come from privatisation!!
Love this, good to hear someone is actually acting for the PO masters. Sounds like this one is also is lying. Ask how much went to the Government and bonuses ?
Three times I've been to my local sub- post office in the last month and they had run out of stamps! The counter clerk told me that they can't actually order stamps themselves. The Post Office decides when they need them.
£36Million....now let me think....I looked under my bed, in the settee but only found a Threepence.... Let's face it if this was a Business facing liquidation there would be a huge fraud case...but oh no not with our money custodians....there's no chance in the UK now of any honesty
Jarndyce versus Jarndyce. Once there were £millions of PO money on the table and now there are £billions of Govt money on the table and rather than pay ALL the subpostmasters at least £1 million EACH interim until all this mess is cleared up they would rather pay barristers upwards of £1000 per hour to stretch it out. And I put it to you that the barristers are happy about that. So happy.
And how much of that £36 million will be kept by the Post Office because over the years ‘compensation’ schemes have been tortuously dragged out, more and more subpostmasters have died off?
36 million is only what (they think) the SPM's paid from their own funds. That won't even touch the sides of the compensation bill. When you add, what each one paid, their loss of earnings until retirement, their homes they lost, their legal costs, the torture for their families, the shame they suffered. The mental torture of being convicted of a crime that you didn't commit. 36 million might cover 10 SPM's compensation payout. There are around 800 owed redress. It isn't compensation, they need to be reimbursed for every penny they've lost since day one, including interest. Then you can discuss compensation for the disgusting way they've been treated.
As Mr Beer said “ this is just word soup”. There used to be a character that Harry Enfield an 1980,s comedian used to do Tim nice but Dim - this guy is it perfectly - made a career and a life out of bluff and bluster
It has gone in legal fees defending the un defendable . along with bonuses for post office directorate . The claims of difficulty in checks is hypocrisy its self .
Where has the money gone. He had probably been paid too much and a bonus with stolen money from postmasters and their families. Disgusting followed by disgusting
Another awful aspect of this is the amount of money that lawyers who represent the post Masters have sucked out multi millions into their own pockets. Whereas the actual postmasters are still waiting to be compensated. It’s totally disgraceful.
Its a mystery why the financial industry regulator or the inland revenue has not been mentioned and does not appear to have been investigating the Post Office.
This Inquiry has served its purpose to this extent. It is now manifestly obvious that criminal proceedings should, if a shred of justice remains in Britain (an arguable point), be instituted against a very, very large number of Post office and Horizon personnel whose revelations to the Inquiry reveal a prima facia case against them. to wait until the Report would be as gross a denial of justice as the original miscarriage of justice. Butt hen there is the CPS and the Police forces involved and the hope freezes.
Fucking bonuses to the managers...that's where it's gone.
Its worse than that. Those bonuses would have been paid out regardless of what was going on. What the real problems is, is that they just dont fucking know where the money has gone. Its disappeared in to the Post Offices consolidated account, never to be seen again! Seems to me that finding how much was paid should be relatively straight forward as its just a total of all the outcomes from the court cases AND the numbers from all the agreements made with the SPM's that didnt result in criminal prosecution. Easily enough found by going through their scrupulously kept records right!
And those evil so called investigators, who bullied innocent people.
Yep!
Time to pay out all the money and imprison senior PO and Fujitsu staff who lied in Court to get false convistions.
Dont be stupid they are too rich and powerful to be prosecuted.howevrr if you or i defrauded the post office out of 500 quid we would be jailed within a week.😊
£36 million they are saying has been lost, it was a manufactured loss by the horizon system, so it never existed in the first place. The only money missing is the sub post master’s money that needs paying back to them asap.
With interest and compensation.
Agreed - it doesn't matter where they distributed it - just give it back out of general cashflow.
@damianleah6744 Exactly. 'The Devil in the Machine' created these fake numbers - and evil-doers eagerly 'ran with' this to make false allegations against innocent people. Thousands of lives have been ruined - and we should see some of THEM in Court.
This is the bizarre thing, the finance team had suspense accounts with funds, but there was no reporting of it. I don't know why the finance team has not been thoroughly investigated, brought into the inquiry and KPMG's reports scrutinised. Is there some deeper story about why Tony Blair was so keen to involve Fujitsu / Horizon. The historical data should still be available, and modern computing and forensic techniques should reveal a lot more.
Quite right and I fully agree with your comment.
So the post office needs to be charged with FALSE ACCOUNTING too
Among other things like perjury, perverting the course of justice, and Fraud by misrepresentation.
Exactly!
@@andrewallen9993 I know we can prosecute anyone with evidence too.
Actual evidence.
Fancy pitching in ? Research. No money. Just get these labias.
@@andrewallen9993 test
Test, let's prosecute these labias if nobody else does.
No money, you just pitch in with research and I think if the authorities dont, crimebodge or I will.
Thanks
He still didn’t say where it’s gone……absolute shithouse.
He just doesn’t know where it’s gone
@@tomricketts7821 bollocks, of course he does.
@@tomricketts7821 Nick Read probably felt it was better to say that the PO didn't really know where it had gone and that they were still working on it.
From an accounting treatment perspective it's not that difficult. In general accounting terms, such payment would have been treated as recovered 'stolen' turnover that was being returned to the revenue accounts in the PO finance system. Considering this was a pretty frequent type of posting (bearing in mind there was £36M over the course a few years), it would have had its own revenue account code in the finance system as it wouldn't have been possible for such postings to be attributed to a particular type of business activity e.g. sale of postage stamps or sale of lottery tickets. The total postings in this revenue account code would have been recognised as 'earned' and taken to the P&L as a revenue contribution at the month end finance run. These payments would then become a contribution to the profit side of the PO.
Exactly
Good grief - they didn't even keep proper accounts. The levels of incompetence and malice being revealed are simply jaw-dropping...
Yeah. At least Sam Bankman-Fried used Quickbooks. This lot appears to be on one long jolly financed by the tax payer and allowed to run unsupervised by the government.
This is case and point exactly what the whole situation is about. No, they didn't keep proper accounts because their accounting system, horizon, didn't work properly.
@@Thebustermann Horizon was their point of sale system. What's being revealed here is that they can't fully account for the millions that they stole from their own employees. That's an issue of corporate accounting, which is supposed to track every penny that moves through their business. It's the bedrock of any well-run business. But not, it seems, the Post Office...
@@grahamnichols1416you say that like the government don't bury stuff, lie and cheat for there own agendas aswell as these kind of people..
I'm sorry but there not jaw dropping
Another bumbling overpaid fool who cant give a straight answer to a very simple question 🤬
He could give a straight answer if he wanted to
@GrandadNorth This wasn't a bumbling answer. Not a fool. Quite a well structured answer, actually. The fact is, they don't know, and noone does.
@@kaymeddings4162 of course they know, they just aren't prepared to say for risk of incriminating themselves or others
@@kaymeddings4162 they don't know.... ? seems to be a common thread with witnesses representing the post office....i don't know....i didn't know....I wasn't aware....I wasn't informed of that.....that wasn't something that I was privy to.....I wasn't told.....that information was not provided to me.....I don't recall seeing those reports.....etc etc.....this widespread lack of knowledge amongst current and former staff seems rather convenient don't you think?
@@GrandadNorth He did give a staight answer. Listen again and try harder to understand. If necessary, get help from someone else more intelligent.
Massive fraud and postmasters got the blame, yes where did the money go.
how much did the church of satan get for the vicar of marmon.
So, he thinks that the response "I don't know what happened to the money, the accounting system doesn't make sense" is completely acceptable when *he* says it, but is criminal when a postmaster says it. Seems legit.
For goodness sake! Each subpostmaster knows how much was taken from them by the Post Office. Just give them their money back. It’s THEIR money. They don’t need forensic accountants to tell them how much.
@@jamiecampbell2637 it needs to have compound interest added on as well.
Agreed, it would be straightforward to check each postmasters accounts and to see what the 'underpayment' demands were and what was paid.
Despite a very loquacious statement from Read, answer was there none to Mr Stein's perfectly reasonable question. Just verbiage about 'challenges' and various 'accounts' which are unspecified and which Read is unable or (more likely) unwilling to explain. This man thinks that he is helpful and transparent in his dealings, but is nothing of the kind. A self-serving, duplicitous crook.
Absolutely USELESS!! And clueless! And deceitful! All you have to do is to look at each individual Postmaster, see how much the Post Office illegeally extorted from them; how much they paid the post office - and that's your answer. You reimburse each Postmaster what they were forced to pay - with interest AND compensation . Not hard - just do it case by case. And don't say it takes too long - look how long it's taken already. Do they think that if they drag it out long enough, everyone will forget, or die off - and they will get to keep the blood money?
What a waffler! Just the latest in a long line of wafflers we have had to listen to in this Inquiry! A lot of them should end up behind bars!
he looks and sounds shady......
He admitted that some customer & client money "went into the bottom line"!!! That is fraud, pure & simple!
cease all pension funds of these two tongued buffoons.
Piffle&Bosh----where is the money!! More importantly-Where are The Metropolitan Police!!!!!
£36 million between 1999 and 2015!!! Shocking
That can't be true, it has to be more, there is over 4000 PO masters involved and it seems folks are still having short falls. Why is this
@barbs574 because postmasters are still having to use the horizon system.
Short version of the answer: We don't know, but it was easier to blame the postmasters than find out. Sorry for getting caught. (Oops!)
They need to urgently recall ALL the bonuses paid to senior staff over those years NOW! It’s not the tax payers place to repay the subpostmasters, it it the people who made massive sums of money out of this atrocious and corrupt situation. Plus of course a huge payment from Fujitsu.
What a load of nonsense. They were quick enough to take the money from the postmasters they should settle the dispute straight away and pay interest on the money they have stolen
Everyone knows where the money has gone! It’s gone to the criminals in suits! Lock them up!
Even Dick Turpin would be embarrassed 😳
at least he wore a mask and we knew what he was.
As anyone asked this question to the staff at Fujitsu who had the ability to contol the computers at Branches.
Nothing will happen. The longer the enquiry, the less justice is served
How the hell did no one take a step back and ask, why do we suddenly have all these people of good character turning to crime? That alone should have been an indication that something wasn't right.
Exactly. Any reasonable person would have thought this. But the managers weren't reasonable people. They knew that this was not happening but still prosecuted knowing that the people were innocent. They should hear the same punishment that they unjustly imposed.
The Post Office Investigators treated all postmasters as if they were all criminals, no matter what the evidence.
the Post Office employees from the execs down were getting far too much money by way of inflated salary and bonuses to care if the SPMs might have been innocent.
@@acheface The courts have to treat each case brought before them individually and not make any connections. The bosses at the PO knew this, which is why they were happy to carry on prosecuting regardless, whilst conveniently ignoring the obvious trend.
@davidspear9790 I'm on about the investigators. These should never have reached court.
He’s quantified the loss approximately but he has not answered the question, which was “Where has the money gone?”
This enquiry has been essential to establish, confirm, identify a myriad of factors relevant to the whole Horizon, Post Office, Fujitsu fraud.
It is about time the information was being used to prosecute the individuals concerned.
It is about time prosecutions started against the people delaying the just and equitable payment to the host of post masters/mistresses and other victims of this almighty fraud.
@@paulaspinall919 Unfortunately, no prosecutions can commence until the inquiry has ended and the report has been compiled then released to Govt. Then made public, then chewed over by the police and PPS.
The reality is, that it is highly unlikely that anyone will face prosecution. Ever.
Or possibly just Paula Vennels. It's possible that she will be the fall guy.
There will be the usual "lessons must be learned" and "we have taken steps to ensure this can never happen again.
Except, it is still happening, errors are still occuring in horizon in 2024. SPM's are still paying back losses from their own money.
They are totally reliant on external consultants to identify a £35million shortfall? OUTRAGEOUS!
All bonuses paid to senior managers should be paid back, it's criminal money.
They spent far more money on the Forensic accountants, (and still cannot add up/ account for) than all the monies that the wrongfully convicted postmasters ever took and whose livelihoods were ruined - simply abysmal Corporate incompetents.
And don’t forget the fortune they have spent on lawyers, anything except admitting their wrongdoing and simply recompensing the postmasters. I notice the new government has been quiet on this issue, guess they too are hiding behind the enquiry, so billions to spend on roads, but not enough money for sub postmasters, hospitals or anything that would make a difference to us.
Compensation should be paid for by Fujitsu, Paula Vennels, and any other person who oversaw this fiasco.
The money has gone in their back pockets. Make THEM pay it back with a 1000% interest and return their homes. And pay £1,000,000 compensation to there family’s.Make them pay the costs of this inquiry also. No public money for thieves. Could not honestly answer where money has gone. They should have paid that fee. Cannot find money that to me is false accounting and that is a CRIME AND A FRAUD.
A piece of work he summed himself up perfectly.
Squirms in his chair … when it’s made personal and immediate put directly in his face, he squirms.
Fairly obvious where the money went and why jail sentences should follow
... But WHERE has the money gone - not HOW MUCH MONEY - was the question he absolutely didn't answer!
Isn't it about time we brought this to a conclusion by dealing with those concerned in the same manner and with the same speed as the Government dealt with the patriotic protesters a few weeks ago. Come on Kier Starmer get your bloody act together.
Interesting that he knows exactly how much money is missing but not where it is(!)
Straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect any more bonuses.
So where exactly has the money gone? He skirted around the question. How much longer is it going to drag on before all the innocent PMs receive their money
When are these people going to jail?
sad fact is probably never....you might get a token jail sentence probably for someone like gareth jenkins but not people like this guy.......
I still can’t believe the innocent are still waiting for their compensation.
It shows the true level of corruption here, the fact that the solicitors and those complicit in the first instance are just spinning it all out to avoid having to pay the compensation out.
I've worked for almost 50 years on industry computer finance systems. I cannot imagine how a computer system can "lose" and not be able to account for where the money has gone. It is just not credible to "lose" that amount of money. Only a Government organisation can be so incompetent.
How many of those responsible will face a CRIMINAL trial and PRISON?
At the top none middle level minions some will be thrown under the bus
0 and im sure saying this is agaist community standards .it like mentioning laura kunsberg it a definatly going to be judged by you tube for this comment.
None ,it pays to be a masonic brother.
@@tomricketts7821Vennels might be the fall guy. Someone will have to take one for the team.
That's a hell of a complicated way to say "I dunno ".
Does anyone notice how Paula Vennells has completed disappeared from the spotlight now. She was enemy no.1 for a whole week and can now get on with her life again.
Sir Wyn's report damn well better not be 'soft' on the PO and their sub contractors, Fujitsu and government. Anything less that full fat damning, crucially including enough 'attack' to be picked up and aid subsequent criminal proceedings. Unfortunately, judgements like this - for 'The People' - rarely come out for The People. It's almost inevitable Sir Wyn will only provide only a soft conclusion...no more than a slap on the back of the hand. I'd love to be proven wrong.
This is just crazy
Word soup as the saying goes. I never heard him say what happened to the money just skipped around it with a load of gobbledegook
WHY THE HELL IS THIS STILL GOING ON??? Just pay the compensation, convict and imprison all those involved and put the mail service out to tender or at the very least re-nationalise it, no good has ever come from privatisation!!
Time to claw back monies from the top brass pensions, and bonus they had.
Word salad should a jailable offence
Nothing will happen to them they will walk around free total joke
Unreal. They never knew what they should even have....
Love this, good to hear someone is actually acting for the PO masters. Sounds like this one is also is lying. Ask how much went to the Government and bonuses ?
How do these criminal bosses get away with what they do?
So, where is it? I remember I lost £36,000,000 a while back but I can still recall where it went!
Three times I've been to my local sub- post office in the last month and they had run out of stamps!
The counter clerk told me that they can't actually order stamps themselves. The Post Office decides when they need them.
Yes its disgraceful 1st class stamps 1.65 daylight robbery
Not seen any of them in jail yet, there's a surprise I'd have all these bosses jailed
£36Million....now let me think....I looked under my bed, in the settee but only found a Threepence....
Let's face it if this was a Business facing liquidation there would be a huge fraud case...but oh no not with our money custodians....there's no chance in the UK now of any honesty
Jarndyce versus Jarndyce. Once there were £millions of PO money on the table and now there are £billions of Govt money on the table and rather than pay ALL the subpostmasters at least £1 million EACH interim until all this mess is cleared up they would rather pay barristers upwards of £1000 per hour to stretch it out. And I put it to you that the barristers are happy about that. So happy.
And how much of that £36 million will be kept by the Post Office because over the years ‘compensation’ schemes have been tortuously dragged out, more and more subpostmasters have died off?
36 million is only what (they think) the SPM's paid from their own funds.
That won't even touch the sides of the compensation bill.
When you add, what each one paid, their loss of earnings until retirement, their homes they lost, their legal costs, the torture for their families, the shame they suffered. The mental torture of being convicted of a crime that you didn't commit.
36 million might cover 10 SPM's compensation payout. There are around 800 owed redress. It isn't compensation, they need to be reimbursed for every penny they've lost since day one, including interest. Then you can discuss compensation for the disgusting way they've been treated.
Once again those being questioned seem able to constantly speak random letters of the alphabet but pointedly fail to answer simple questions.
All involved should ve in jail!!!
Moneys gone in all those corrupt post office executives pockets!!
So where’s the money gone ?
There it is… do you see it? It’s called the long grass and it’s where the truth to this and other forever sought answers are kicked into.
Hellbound in the lonq queue of ‘It wasn’t me Guv’ 🔥🔥🔥
Surly any money spent has to be accounted, in writing or a spreadsheet.
“Piece of work” - there is certainly a piece of work here and it’s him!
Why aren’t all the bosses in prison?
He asked where has it gone not how much has gone
They can't find it because it never existed.
Greed attracts the vile and both have no conscience! To call them rats would be an insult to rats!
Sounds like a politician: use a lot of words to say nothing and use up the available time.
As Mr Beer said “ this is just word soup”. There used to be a character that Harry Enfield an 1980,s comedian used to do Tim nice but Dim - this guy is it perfectly - made a career and a life out of bluff and bluster
Thats the longest "i dont know" I have ever heard
Banana Republic.
He is a lier and COWARD, silly LITTLE boy GOING to jail,
No he wont, get real.
Subpostmasters money in bonuses out, more convictions more bonuses
So he doesn’t know.
On the lawyers and executives
Maybe the PO executives should be prosecuted for theft. It's a shortfall and they prosecute short falls.
C???S they should be JAILED
Sooo why has none of these liar executives and con artists not in jail!
It has gone in legal fees defending the un defendable . along with bonuses for post office directorate . The claims of difficulty in checks is hypocrisy its self .
What a brilliant cross. Examiner, the gentleman is.
This guy is worth every one of my tax payer Pennie’s. I’m right glad he can afford private school for his kids
Read gives a masterclass in 'The Way of the Weasel' - It's a cruel world.
I bet they are not out of pocket LIARS
This is Stein's 'show me the money!' moment. Only way he can top this is if he jumps up and down on a sofa.
Another incompetent drawing a wage for what. It is not frustration it is blatant incompetence on a grand scale. There really is no cure for stupid.
I bet not a single one of these individuals will serve jail time and why are so many of the falsely accused still waiting for their money?
It's the balancing centres posted to the suspense account which was subsequently paid out as bonuses.
Where has the money gone. He had probably been paid too much and a bonus with stolen money from postmasters and their families. Disgusting followed by disgusting
Another awful aspect of this is the amount of money that lawyers who represent the post Masters have sucked out multi millions into their own pockets. Whereas the actual postmasters are still waiting to be compensated. It’s totally disgraceful.
Its a mystery why the financial industry regulator or the inland revenue has not been mentioned and does not appear to have been investigating the Post Office.
@@rob14 it’s because the government are the only owner and neither have the guts to investigate. One rule for them and another for us.
Disgusting followed by disgusting. Reed only cares for himself his bonus and his pay. Remove this piece of work immediately
This Inquiry has served its purpose to this extent. It is now manifestly obvious that criminal proceedings should, if a shred of justice remains in Britain (an arguable point), be instituted against a very, very large number of Post office and Horizon personnel whose revelations to the Inquiry reveal a prima facia case against them. to wait until the Report would be as gross a denial of justice as the original miscarriage of justice.
Butt hen there is the CPS and the Police forces involved and the hope freezes.