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Tacitus called Pilate a procurator but he was not using records, but hearsay or he'd know Pilate was Prefect. And the Flavian testament is known to be at least partly a forgery.
I mean there's fair evidence to say Jesus probably existed, or at least someone existed that inspired the mythos.... But as the gospels were written wayyyyyy after he allegedly died (and we don't have any gospel manuscripts from anywhere near when they were likely first written) anything in them is doubtful.
Agnostic her.e Jesus existed. That is pretty much all that can be proven. I think the Dwayne Johnson Hercules movie was pretty awesome in a way that could show Hercules existed. Millennia ago people thought crazy things, so for all we know some dude ran around saying he was the son of Zeus and did all that badass stuff
@@Berengier817 There were a lot of Zealot movements among the Roman-occupied Judeans. Python's Life of Brian is actually very good for historical insight on the matter.
He's perfect for just switching to full a.i RUclips controller, probably thousands of hours to feed the machine no one will notice in less than a year of use
I have a hard time imagining an AI that a) has such a magnificent beard and b) would make itself bald at that age. As we heard in the video, if you make something up, you generally don't include embarassing features;)
This was my exact field of research as a history major at UCLA. Guys, you should have highlighted the fact that historians date the books of the new testament as being written a century after the purported events making them completely unreliable as "historical" documents. To make matters worse, when you add in the new testament authors included tales of magical events they lose credibility even more. For instance, if I wrote a document today about the 1920s I would hardly call my writings testimonial or historical evidence. And if people in 2000 years from now found my writings from 2024 about the 1920s, those future historians would be correct in discounting my writings as non-historical. And if the document I wrote in today about the 1920s included passages about a flying wizard that could resurrect people from the dead and could walk on water, I would certainly hope future historians would consider my written document as even less "historical." Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Magical claims written by authors removed from the purported events by 100 years are so feeble it only goes to show how silly having any mention of the new testament writings as "historical" in any way. And to say that these documents mentioning things that happened during that time as helping butrress their historicity is frankly silly. Superman comics mention the existence of the White House. This does not make Superman ANY more historical.
I went to SDSU and barely made it through that. So, what did you learn about the Origins of this Literary Fiction of Jesus and the Gospels? Who wrote it and why did they write it?
See I was abusing the internet for knowledge as soon as I could read so I always thought it was funny how there are more credible accounts of people from the Bible being mystical or even being real pilgrims come not from the Bible itself, being full of magical story one after the next, instead they come from ancient diaries of random farmers who became politicians or from a almost radical news article from ancient societies. History is fun
@@samuelbrown7466 Yes! But there is plenty of factual proof that Roosevelt and Sinatra were actual Historical people. With this Jesus you get "crickets". The after the fact Gospels state that Jesus was in Jerusalem and more importantly the Temple numerous times- teaching, overturning tables and so forth. Nobody alive at this time reports any of this? Not Philo, not the Dead Sea Scrolls, not any of the Temple Essences? Nobody! The Gospels are not really Christian- shocker is it not?they are a Roman made up Judaism intended to pacify and replace Messianic Judaism- the ones Rome: Crucified, killed, enslaved. About 300-400 AD the Roman Imperial Cult morphs into the Catholic Church along with the Gospels now become Christian for consolidating the Larger Empire outside of Palestine.
When the Jewish people of Judea/Palestine were under Roman Occupation, a lot of Zealots, or Messianic figures, rose to challenge the Romans and were inevitably crucified, the common punishment for Sedition. Notable insurgencies were The Judean People's Front, The People's Front of Judea and The Judean Popular People's Front.
And aside from the aqueducts, sanitation, the roads, irrigation, medicine, education, the wine, public order, the fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for the Jewish people?
I realize you are trying to squeeze thousands of years of history into a short video but for Christ's sake take a breath between sentences man! Slow down your cadence a bit and give us a chance to absorb the information.
The most interesting part of this to me is just how little evidence there is for most historical figures from this era and earlier. Even if we're getting it right 99% of the time, that still leaves a significant number of historical figures who didn't actually exist.
@@TodayIFoundOut The big problem that a lot of folks ignore through, when presenting the OP's agrument, which was touched on briefly here at the beginning, is that almost everything we read about Jesus is describing and arguing for the existence of a supernatural being that performed supernatural feats, not a regular guy doing amazing but mundane things. Historians in general will regard past figures with similar attributes as Jesus as being fictional or mythological; but somehow Jesus gets a pass here. Most past figures that are considered historical for whom we don't have a lot of evidence for are considered historical BECAUSE their descriptions are mundane not supernatural (with the occasional embellishment). To close on the argument that to deny Jesus' historicity is akin to denying climate change is patently fallacious. We have loads of evidence and data backing up climate change, not to mention the fundamentals of physical chemistry wrt to CO2. We have virtually no evidence of Jesus' existence except highly fictionalized writings from which some historians painfully try to tease out a real person. The historian who made that statement is truly trying to cover for some serious short comings.
@@wfjhDUI Yes, the untampered ones do. But most of those sources are either quoting Christians or are derived from NT sources, and were written decades after Christianity had been established.
@@brianfox771 - I would disagree with the notion that only Jesus of Nazareth gets a pass; most historians of religion that I am aware of regard Siddhartha Gautama as an historical figure as a matter of course (very few, that I have found, go on a "quest" for the "historical Siddhartha"). One could make the same argument regarding Mohammad, for instance. The exception I have noted is the three Patriarch and Moses, where most will consider the Patriarchs to be highly legendary figures at best (with a great number concluding Isaac never existed at all) and several doubting the existence of a specific Moses (with some suggesting Moses is an amalgamation of figures who were among the exodus group and who's actual identities are now lost to time). So I would disagree that Jesus receives a pass prima facia, particularly considering we have 200 years of serious academic study of Jesus as an historical figure, with interpretations of Jesus' historicity moving as different historical methods gain prominence. It's hard to say that Jesus just "gets a pass". While Prof. Meyers' statement may be hyperbolic, I don't think that hyperbole in itself makes it inaccurate.
Saying that there is no evidence Jesus existed, but that is ok because there is no evidence that anyone existed back in antiquity is not a compelling argument for Jesus having existed.
I met a Gabriel at my university years back. While slightly an oddball, he was pretty solid on the trombone..? Trumpet? Can’t remember. But I know HE was real.
@@SawyerCarlson-h6f Why? The teachings of their Christ is 'Don't be a jerk.' while Christians are the ones who have all the extra bits that get people wrapped up in knots.
@@leadpaintchips9461 jesus mentions hell more than any other person in the bible and saw it as a place of eternal torture for the horrible crime of not worshipping him...........i call that being more than a jerk..........
@@paulrichards6894 seems to be a misunderstanding, you've taken the humans perception and found the flaw in it, you don't go to hell for not worshipping him you also dont get into heaven for just worshipping. Many men will come in his name, but what is it you believe?❤
Islam is the religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus, We Muslims 100% Believes in Jesus, We Muslims Believes that Jesus is the Christ, We Muslims Believes that Jesus will Come Again to this World, Jesus did Miracles by the Permission of Allah, Jesus himself Never said “Im God” also Never he said anyone to “Worship Me” Jesus was Just a Prophet and Messenger Of Allah Only to Guide The People of Israel, ----------------------- *Jesus Denies Being God* | Read ⬇️ ----------------------- "My Father is greater than me." [John 14:28] “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to My God and your God.” [John 20:17] “Jesus said: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” [Mark 12:29] “Jesus, Fell with his face to the ground and Prayed.” [Matthew 26:39] “Jesus said, “My teaching is not my own, It comes from the one who has sent me.” [John 7:16] “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who has sent me." [John 5:30] “The crowd answered, This is Jesus, the Prophet.” [Matthew 21:10-11] --------------------- *The Coming Of Prophet Muhammad In Bible* --------------------- “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When he the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come, He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” [John 16:12-14] --------------------- *Allah Clears About Jesus* --------------------- [Quran:- 5:72]:- “Jesus has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." [Quran:- 19:30]:- “Jesus has said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet.” [Quran:- 4:171]:- “Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: --------------------
@@HasanUnknown "Islam is the religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus, " So Christianity as a religion does not make one believe in Jesus? Your use of the word "the" as opposed to the word "a" means Islam is the only religion that makes one believe in Jesus. Still, yes if Jesus never existed this is solid evidence that both Christianity and Islam are false. Both Christianity and Islam claiming he did.
@@GalactusOG Ad Hominem: "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."
thats funny cuz i had no idea he had multiple channels…when i saw the thumbnail i thoyght i was clicking a video by tbe only channel i knew of his-Thoughty 2. tho i assumed there was a Thoughty 1 or just Thoughty, never knew there were more
I think it goes back to the original statement here. A man named Jesus existed. In fact, many men named Jesus existed. Many men were preaching the end of times and peace on Earth and all of that at or around the time. The real question comes down to is: was the Jesus of the Bible based on a man, or was it based on a whole lot of men - some of whom were called Jesus.
@danieleyre8913 you are deluding yourself if you think that is true. Even if the myth were based upon one man, there were very obviously many others who inspired elements of the myth .
@@geoffwaldon It’s not what I think, it can’t be. It’s an irrefutable fact that scholars such as Bart Ehrman debunked that composite Jesus a decade ago. Hahaha try and keep up and get informed.
Then you got to take into account that Jesus is a modern translation, like Yeshua and that neither of these may have been what he was actually called if even he was based on a real person.
We would definitely watch the crucifixion of some dude in a bespoke coffee shop. We'd watch it live on Kick, probably while placing bets on how quickly he goes from talking about his dad to calling for his mom.
@@lunarmodule6419 Really? How do YOU know? Did you even bother to read the New Testament? And if you ever did, would you lean on your own interpretation?
Ya there's no neutrality in the mental gymnastics applied here to dance around the complete lack of evidence beyond anecdotes. The logical fallacies on display here are embarrassing....
@@TheGuiltsOfUs Yet the servants of the opposer literally adore him openly and publicly and no one challenges them on their belief in his tangible reality.
The problem of Jesus isn't just that we don't have any evidence for his actual existence, is that what we have is consistent both with the mythological construction and syncretism of the time as much as with amalgamation of people. His historicity or lack of is absolutely indeterminable with the available data.
I felt this video went into good detail about non-mythological sources supporting Jesus' existence. The simplest evidence for most of us is the fact that almost every professional historian with expertise on the time period thinks he was a real person.
@@PoochieCollins There are virtually no credible "non-mythological" sources for the historical Jesus. The video made a number of errors & misinterpretations of the evidence. Personally, I give it about 1/3 odds for the historical Jesus. If you are interested in the best scholarly case for the mythicist position may I recommend the work of Dr. Richard Carrier, He has a few published books, some for the layperson ("Jesus From Outer Space" is a great summary of his arguments for the layperson) and he is in many YT videos making his case.
One thing I thought might have got a mention… He was most likely called Joshua (well, Yeshua) which was then transliterated into Greek as Iesus (or something similar) then romanised into Jesus.
Iesus was the Koine Greek translation of Yeshua. Since the New Testament was written in Koine Greek, this change would make sense. It also explains how and why some names were changed due to translation: Matthew's Hebrew name was Levi, for instance.
I grew up in a catholic family- went to church every Sunday, got baptized and did all the things all the way through confirmation. Not once in my life did I ever hear of "Yeshua", and other variations, until maybe a couple years ago. Im very confused about this. I no longer buy into the Catholic religion and don't go to church anymore... I won't get into it but it still sort of irks me how I never heard this name before and all of the sudden, I see it everywhere. Same with Yahweh.... why are there so many variations of his name? To me, that seems very odd. I feel like I stumbled into an alternate timeline tbh.
@@unicornkitteh5332 More people are reaching higher levels of education. Every day people are gaining the ability to study the evidence and learn the facts, compared to just being in control of a select few in the past. As a result more and more translations and evidence will likely be found for all sorts of things. :)
@@darkmyro The joke is on all of us... Ewan McGregor is actually Jesus in His "second-coming". McGregor's most parasocial fans have been worshipping the true God of the universe all along.
I feel confident in saying that if I had you as my teacher growing up, u could’ve avoided a lifetime of ADHD medication. But as it were, I constantly have to rewind your videos for missed information because I get so distracted at how cartoonishly fluid and effortless and natural your lectures are. And I don’t mind it at all. Man am I glad that I found this channel.
@@thetruebatman4632 He is one of the fastest talking RUclipsrs out here, so if you like a more chill southern pace, you’ll enjoy the slower play back. Of course, it could also be said that he sounds just a little drunk at the slower speed lol! I grew up in Maryland… but my Dad’s from SC, and I’ve always been partial to the south myself.
Came here to say that I have to watch at 3/4 the speed and sometimes playback at 1/2 speed just to be absolutely sure of certain words, lol. He still sounds british to me at every speed, not detecting the southern american accent at all😂
Yeah it is going to bring out the monsters for sure, for there is absolutely no way they can even entertain the existence of someone who has more than twice the brains and balls they do.
Obi wan was far more powerful than Jesus. Jesus can't even force ghost someone like Ben did so we could know what he looks like at the very least? Jesus' powers are weak.
@@BFKAnthony817 Both my aunts have his picture up on the wall as Jesus. I asked one about it and she winked at me. I think they just like looking at Ewan, honestly.
The existance of a person the first writings of whom were found written down 70 years after his death should at least be questioned. Especially weather or not someone sat next to him when hanging on the cross saying his last words and writing it down.
@jayhag5481 Well, doing my own research, i don't think anyone really knows how old people live back then. Iv found 20-30 like what you mentioned 30-50 even living up to 70. I think it really depends on where you are from in the world.
I have seen David Blaine replicate most of the "miracles" Jesus is claimed to have done, so my conclusion is that he was just a street magician fooling gullible people. It still works today.
That's pretty much the entire world of new testament historical scholarship, at least from accredited universities like prinsten. Definitely worth reading up on it if you find this kind of discussion interesting
Though we don't have any actual hard evidence for Jesus existence... It would seem to me God/Jesus would have seen it important to actually leave solid evidence for his existence.
@skiddty5568 When archaeologists discover different fossils that carbon dating estimate to be at times, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands to millions of years old, do you trust their dating techniques then? And please explain how finding a shroud proves God's existence? I mean you would agree, that finding a Spider-Man outfit doesn't prove Spider-Man existed.
@@stevenhall9009 like you said, carbon dating. Recent unbiased researchers proved that the Shroud or Turin dates to Jesus’ time. Just research the evidence.
Providing evidence completely goes against what God said. You need to have faith. Evidence does not even prove anything. You cannot prove things, only provide evidence that it does or does not exist. God created science, He is not scientific, God is not of this world. It is like making a game. The people in the game are limited by what the creator chooses to be the limits. The creator is not limited by the game because he is outside of the game. Google does not mean anything. Just because you found someone on Googles dating the New Testament to the year 1575 does not mean it is true. Here is a scenario for you if you choose to deny what I have said. In this scenario, God is real. God being real means demons are real. We know that demons will do anything to discount God and lead people away. So in this scenario where God is in fact real, demons would try very hard to hide any actual evidence and alter anything they have to in order to make one less person believe. With that knowledge, we know that God is smarter than us, so it is safe to say that being omniscient, he would see that they would hide the evidence so it would be futile to leave any behind. Jesus said multiple time that he did not want anyone to know who he was until he leaves earth and he leaves behind the Gospels. In an alternate reality, God is not real meaning there would be no evidence. Both outcomes are the same, only, the second one does not have the New or Old Testament because God did not exist. God bless.
@Dipvide Unbelievable, to actually read where someone writes as a response... Evidence doesn't prove anything! Living with this philosophy you will be the con-man's favorite mark. There's no way that you've been able to safely make it through life, unless the only time you actually live by this philosophy is solely when it comes to the historicity of God. Do you send your hard-earned money to support the lavish lifestyles of prosperity preachers like Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn & Creflo Dollar? Or have you found that there's actual evidence that they are con-men & you take heed in the evidence before you?
That's probably a big part of why they're myths, they're older. It takes a long time for a religion to branch and evolve into something new, or die off. Christianity is very young, and even "modern" Judaism is one of the later ones, give it 10,000 years, and people will take about Jesus the same way they talk about Marduk or Ra.
@@mountainmonkey15 funny that you'd mention that. My family and i are supposedly descendents of Caesar III. Gonna have to verify that while I'm at it. Might as well watch the battle of Troy. I heard Achilles was 4'11“. Might as well take a look at the battle of thermopile too. Gonna have to see if this 300 vs 1 million thing is true. I'm gonna do a count.
@@RS-Amsterdam I'm also gonna tell myself not to sell those 2000 bitcoins when they reach 10 cents and to wait until 2014 to sell 500 of them and sell the rest in March of 2024. I had 147 million dollars of coin that I sold for $200. Biggest mistake of my life. I don't like talking about it. Lesson learned. I make 700k a year so life ain't so bad.
It's wild.. We have lived in this academic dark age with the Vatican controlling information for over a thousand years... Academies would actively discourage people from even questioning by taking away their jobs.. Dude then sits here with "well.. Academia says.." basically over and over as if appealing to authority isn't a logical fallacy.
@@ragnarok67 You are the one making the claim it exists, it's on you to bring forth the evidence. Make sure you use citations. Other than that, I agree with your statement.
@@tianna1116 Pretty sure they are alluding to the current scholarly consensus. Their paychecks depend on saying Jesus was historical even with the complete lack of evidence. All they have really is the New Testament and it has some serious issues. The biggest one being from the start it is arguing for and describing a supernatural being doing supernatural things, not a regular person doing regular things for his time. When you throw out all the supernatural stuff about Jesus in the NT your left with basically nothing. How do you rationally extrapolate a real person from that?
@NaneuxPeeBrane No, not really. It is like saying: "I know there was an Elvis Presley who lived in Graceland, but I don't know the Elvis Presley who is an alien and who is still flipping burgers in a joint in Philadephia. What I mean is that Jesus was probably just some charismatic guy, but all miracles are probably just made up.
What evidence do you have that he did not? There are multiple possible eye witnesses to him doing so, but can you prove that he didn't other than saying it's a ridiculous proposition that he did?
@nathanthomson1931 There is usually only one possible witness to the miracles Jesus allegedly did, and that is the author himself, no matter how many people he claimes witnessed the act. Probably, he just made it up. Do you also believe that people were raised from their graves in Jerusalem. It is written that they talked to people, so there should be many witnesses. But does this make the story more believable?
@@runeaanderaa6840 point is that you can't know without any degree of certainty what you've just said is true. You're speaking about "possibly's" and theories. Why? Because you weren't there. So, you can't prove that the claims in the texts aren't true. That leaves us with you simply not wanting them to be true. However, there is a lot more evidence that there is truth to them than that they're totally false. So, what is the smarter bet? 🤔
@@misiu9049that's the point. He has a team of writers and he reads the scripts. He's the face of several channels because of his voice and his delivery. But that's like saying "I bet Alex Trebek didn't even know the answers to all the questions on Jeopardy" It's not Alex's job to know! It's his job to host
Of course you won't be able to prove that, what would be the POINT of his assuming the second persona, if he ever let any evidence be discovered of the first?. Given that no one EVER has turned up evidence, you would be wise not to notice anything . . . it might lead to "accidents" that were accompanied with corresponding Kent "alibis".
"Whether a person named Clark Kent ever existed is rather mundane unless you can demonstrate he was bullet proof and could fly." Yes, it is mundane and it separate. You can't say "it is impossible for men to be bullet proof and fly.....and therefore there was no such man." The second doesn't follow from the first logically. That some think Jesus was God Incarnate has no bearing on whether he existed as a man.
The thing is, in the case of Jesus, his existence is far from mundane. He still garnered an impressive following and sparked a major world religion. It doesn't really matter if he had supernatural abilities, he's still an intriguing figure.
@@neutrino78x . . . You LITERALLY can say "It is impossible for men to be bulletproof or fly unaided by technology, THEREFORE there was no such man" because it ABSOLUTELY follows that there was no such man as a bullet-proof flying man.
@@peterlewis2178 You don't understand the word mundane. It doesn't mean "Not effective" or "not famous" or "Not intriguing". It means OF THE WORLD, that is what it means. Of the world means "Is not supernatural or metaphysical". His existence, religious following and all, is and was PERFECTLY mundane . . . because there is NOTHING in all of existence, that is supernatural. Every. Single. Thing. is NATURAL and explicable by Science.
There are 11 different Simons from 11 parallel universes. I thought it was obvious. You can tell the huge personality difference between "Today I found Out" Simon and "Business Blaze" Simon.
Sadly, this is just a re-cap of the usual arguments for historicity, but doesn't quote anything which, as a graduate of history myself, leaves huge holes in the argument. You simply can't say that people believing something within 20 years of the event, being reported on 40-60 years after that belief is claimed to exist, is the same as saying that it's an argument for the core thing being real; Example? The cargo cult of "John Frum"; thought to be a US serviceman who served in the late 1930s to 1940s on Vanautu, but 20 years later an entire belief system about him being a divine figure, returning to bring back cargo had grown up.... it is, literally, the John From New York argument you make at the start, and yet in real life it DOES generate a religious faith; You can't make an argument saying it can't happen from something so vague when it literally did, within living memory today. And it's absolutely not the same thing as any real (or imagined) John Frum America preaching anything that's ascribed to the John Frum of faith. Historians simply don't make that leap today, they openly state we can only guess, even today, what the real source of any of the cargo cult was... but DO make that leap for Jesus, even though the historical record is even sketchier. I notice you claimed there are contemporary records, but don't name ANY of them, only go straight to the usual sources that are decades after; but the reason we can be more sure about other historical facts is that we DO have contemporary records, and archeology etc that allows us to sketch a basic outline; the stone even for Pilate has turned up. But the facts about his title were different. And if the Gospels can be wrong about that, why can't they be wrong about what role he had in Jesus' death? And remember, the gospels disagree on what that role was between themselves. And they get dates of census, even the nature of census wrong... Why is it so hard to accept that it's entirely possible that none of this is proof of an actual Jesus of Nazareth outside of the most basic facts that the name and place exist, and that religious fanatics came to use it? I do generally lean towards the idea he probably was a preacher whose behaviour got him crucified; but I don't believe it's PROVEN just because that would make history neater. We simply can't know. It was taken seriously later, but the actual truth of Jesus is that he's lost to history, if he ever existed at all.
@Gmail Account AI is creating more and more content online and becoming realistic enough to fool most people. there is no good outcome to this except to fight against it. I have no idea how that's supposed to be done though .
@@davidarchibald50 Totally. I don't understand why we have to tip toe around adults who believe in mythology so much they want to take away other people's rights.
It would be fun to see videos like this on other major religious figures. Especially from religions that weren't common in Europe. In America, at least where I was, history classes growing up had woefully incomplete coverage of anything that wasn't Europe. Especially anything related to religions, outside of when they came into existence.
I don't know that would be particularly interesting. Most other religious leaders were just people, while Jesus was supposed to be a magical god. And of course even if you had excellent evidence of particular religious figures, and that the stories referred to a particular person, you'd then need to find evidence of the actual miracles that they performed, which is unlikely if you're even questioning their existence. Especially since we have copious evidence of living people today capable of doing all kinds of religious miracles in front of thousands or millions of people who nevertheless are seen as fraudsters.
@@kain0067 The historical proof that Muhammad existed is undeniable. The difference is Jesus died just another Jewish peasant with a small fan base where Muhammad had a nation of people following him at the end. He was huge political force.
Simon, I want you to know that in less than 28 minutes, you have caused me to open my mind to a topic I had previously passed judgement upon. I learned more about this topic in 30 minutes than I have in 30 years.
Ive been atheist most my life. Recently Ive found some solace in faith, but I believe the faith Ive found and the religion that often follows it is going to be full of individuals I do not have faith in. Theyre of questionable ethics and If I want to continue down this route, Ill have to work to either change them or Id have to wait for divine judgement. Not sure if Im willling to wait for that.
@@anwaraisling My previous judgement, based on articles I read 15-ish years ago, was that Jesus was either not a historical figure or that there was no evidence that anyone believed him to be the messiah during his lifetime. Articles I read at the time suggested that the first written evidence of Christianity occurred about a century later. Simon’s video seemed to blow that out of the water.
@@XDex91 Check this out.... The Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel ('God with us') For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. These verses are from the book of Isaiah the prophet and were written 700 years before Jesus was born. Who is he talking about? Keep looking Dex. There's a treasure waiting for you at the end. 'Ask, seek, knock'
Best new testament moment is Nathaniel being told the Messiah has come from Nazareth and Galilee, to which he replies "how can anything good come from Nazareth and Galilee?" Jesus responds himself: "this man speaks no lies." Classic.
You take it out of context, Jesus was not agreeing that nothing good came out of Nazareth and Galilee but rather commending Nathaniel for his honesty (even if Nathaniel was wrong.) The passage you are referring to is from the Gospel of John, chapter 1, verses 43-51. In this passage, Jesus calls Philip to follow him, and Philip goes to find Nathanael and tells him that they have found the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth. Nathanael is skeptical and asks, “Can anything good come out of Nazareth?” Philip invites Nathanael to come and see for himself. When Jesus sees Nathanael approaching, he says, “Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no deceit!” Nathanael is surprised and asks Jesus how he knows him. Jesus replies that he saw Nathanael under the fig tree before Philip called him. Nathanael declares his belief in Jesus as the Son of God and the King of Israel. Jesus tells Nathanael that he will see greater things than these and that he will see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man. And no, “an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no deceit!” was not a nickname for Nathanael. When Jesus said this to Nathanael, he was making a statement about Nathanael’s character. Jesus was saying that Nathanael was a true Israelite, one who was honest and without deceit. This statement was not meant to be a nickname, but rather a description of Nathanael’s character and integrity.
Thanks for the citation. Did Nathaniel eventually see Heaven opened? You'd think there would be contemporaneous reports of such a thing. Chinese astronomers taking notes, for example. Otherwise it is bold for Jesus to say that Nathaniel wasn't a liar and then to go on to make such a bizarre claim.
The Historicity of Jesus Wikipedia article, most of the sources were written by people from bible colleges. Any Christian who pays for and goes through bible college would naturally say "well duh, of course Jesus existed". If they didn't think he existed then they wouldn't be Christians and they wouldn't attend bible college.
Only a few years ago, that Wiki only had a minor entry on the actual historicity of jesus. Since then, apologists have been editing the crap out of it to boost their arguments.
6:18 "his despairing cry on the cross" isn't actually something that works against the evangelists. It's a part of the messianic prophecy. It was a quote from the old testament that Jesus cries out when he said "Father, Father, why have you forsaken me". Also one could argue the other "embarrassing" things for the evangelists also work for them as Jesus had told his disciples that they would be hated and persecuted. It wouldn't do for them to them lie about the persecution they then faced just to attempt to make themselves seem more powerful. Especially when everyone could see the persecution of the Christians at the time of them writing these events down.
My thought has always been that Jesus’s disciples must have really believed he was the Son of God, or else they all wouldn’t have been quite so willing to go out preaching His word knowing that it would, in all probability, lead to their persecutions & deaths. They happily went to their deaths one by one & never chose to walk away. That takes great strength & great belief in what they saw & heard while they were with Him. So though I have never doubted He existed & that He was a great teacher, I have to wonder, was He truly the Son of God, or simply a very charismatic man?
Not necessaritly the son of god, but after his death, they certainly started to think that he had been some divine figure. The whole son of god aspect appears to be a later result of the theological disputes that would ensue.
The extent to which Christians were persecuted in the Roman world is generally overstated by modern Christians. That's not to say there was none, but for the most part the Romans ran a diverse empire that worked precisely because it tolerated local customs as long as they didn't interfere with Roman administration.
The photo of Obi-wan as Jesus, reminds me of that one time a woman thought she has a small statue of buddha turns out to be shrek, she has been praying to it for a long time.
Philo of Alexandria, Jewish scholar, born 20 years before Jesus and died 20 years after Jesus, wrote about the Old Testament and visited Jerusalem and never mentioned a Jesus Christ, neither did Josephus.
@@bobrobert1123 Like an NBA reporter that knows nothing about Lebron James, Philo would have written about Jesus because religion was his life's work and all these miraculous things were being done just down the road, where he visited, so yes he had to have heard or noticed.
It's funny. When I was a kid I saw Star Wars with my Dad. He was a very pious man and disliked even the depiction of Jesus in film thinking it as blasphemous. Yet he felt the religious zing of Star Wars and was impressed by it.
The question should be, did the version of Jesus in the Bible exist? The answer to that is an absolute no. Was there a figure that the religious version was based on? The real answer is, we don't know.
bro if you seriously look at all the evidence, their defintely was someone who was jesus, did he resurrect and get lifted to heaven hard to say, but he definitely existed
I wish I could have Simon Whistler as a dinner party entertainer holding a scotch and cigar talking about everything from all his videos while we all are enchanted by his suave explanations from his Mega Projects about a WW2 aircraft all the way to Harley Davidson microculture. I don’t know if he’s actually made a video about that, but I would watch it. My wife would complain about this dinner party because her husband would be giving more of his undivided attention to his favorite RUclipsr more than his wife.
You... so realise he reads from a script right? I believe he doesn't even write the script by himself either. He's the presenter of the channel. Don't get me wrong he's certainly nice to listen to. But I doubt you'd get similar expositions if he had to just go from memory and ad lib it. ^^;
Seems very flimsy “evidence” of small, unclear references years later of someone walking around, curing the blind, walking on water, raising the dead. Even for the time, maybe it would have been more widely recorded? During the period it was actually happening?
This is extremely interesting but the part that Josephus decided that everybody should pretty much commit roman seppuku and then on his turn he was like ''' ah changed my mind'' just stole the show for me.
There's also the logical conclusion that he meant for that to happen and convinced his fellow Roman's to die in exchange for a favorable outcome. Not unheard of anyhow.
I am from Greece, and there are actually many people who still believe the old Greek pagan religion, instead of Christianity. Also, many people will mix the two religions, combining stories and mythologies.
Good for them. I hope that movement grows. People in Central and South America still believe in the MesoAmerican gods and/or combine Catholicism and their old religion.
I’m a hardcore atheist, but y’know what, I’m okay with this. I don’t really care to “eradicate religion.” I’m honestly fascinated by the ways people combine religions and help them evolve. I’d be more fascinated than “determined to break their beliefs”
Jesus' most useful idea is that we should care about one another. We shouldn't nurse hatred or treat each other cruellly. Instead, we should put aside resentments and be courteous, positive and understanding where possible. We also shouldn't act superior: we have our faults just like other people do. We should avoid racism, snobbery and exploitation.
@@hidingbehind7256 An now, especially here in the US, things have devolved into madness. People who invoke Jesus but don't act ANYTHING like he would say.
And remember to forgive your enemies. As I understand it, if you do not forgive (and repent ) , there will come a crucial time when G-d will never have known you.
As an agnostic person, I know Jesus of Nazareth was a real person. Now his acts of deism can’t exactly be proven, but I wouldn’t doubt Jesus was a VERY influential man.
It‘s not to be questioned if Kim Jong-Il ever existed. It‘s to be questioned if he really hit 11 hole-in-ones on a 18-hole golf course, the very first time he played golf.
@@lockydude007 "Kim shot 38 under, including 11 holes-in-one, at the 7,700-yard championship course at Pyongyang in the VERY FIRST golf round of his life, according to North Korean state media. " ESPN. 😃
Exactly. Actually not exactly, because Christians (mainstream ones, not Trump followers) don't actually believe that stuff happened literally as stated either, man. The point is not Jesus walking on water, it's that if you have self confidence, and knowledge and fortitude, the human spirit can triumph over hard times.
the poor couldn't afford wine - wine was only drunk by rich people, all of whom were Roman. question - are you more likely to watch a film that has action in it, things that have next to no chance of ever happening? well they didn't have films back then, all they had were stories....... are you getting how so many people were enticed to the idea away from original beliefs ???
I made someone so angry discussing how Yeshua was a common name used for Jesus back in the day. But it basically translates to Joshua so he’s just some guy named Josh …
@@Jacquer68if you take it from the Greek, sure. But from the Hebrew, where the Greek got it from, it means "one who is" or in other words "the one" or " the chosen one"
Lucky duck! My up next is Simon asking, "What was Hitler like as a child? And was his grandfather really Jewish?" I know I don't have to click on it, but it does sound OH so fun! 😂
My gray lionhead bunny's name is Gandalf. When I saw your comment, I automatically thought of my bunny and wondered why anyone would make a video about my rabbit. 😅I guess it's time to step away from the internet.
Right? When I say he was a normal dude who lived and died like a regular shmoo, I'm called an asshole who doesn't know anything about Jesus. Apparently, the only way he could have existed is if he he had magical powers and any other way if thinking is wrong.
As an atheist I don't care whether he existed. As a mythicist I find his story all the way down to his existence itself fits really really well with modern made up stuff.
You could do a bunch of other ones like this too. Did Moses exist? Did he write the Torah? Were the Jews before the hasmonean period monotheistic? What about the polytheistic jews on Elephantine Isleand who also worshipped Yahweh? Really it's a wealth of material.
"Did Moses exist?" ...nope "Did he write the Torah?" ...nope "Were the Jews before the hasmonean period monotheistic" ...yep, as Judah Maccabee was a jewish priest...son of a priest "What about the polytheistic jews on Elephantine Isleand who also worshipped Yahweh?" ...too dumb to educate yourself, so I'll do it for you! "Instead of preserving a Jewish identity, the group of Samarians that had settled on Elephantine Island developed a Jewish identity. They became Jews, initially not by choice but by circumstance...." Need any more, or did your RELIGIOUS propaganda hit a dead end?
I love how Soviet Womble was actually right. The Carefully crafted English accent ABSOLUTELY lets me believe EVERY WORD this man says, simply based upon the way he says it.
In the movie "Jesus Christ Superstar" Pilate says "you Jews have messiahs by the sack full". My questions has always been that if this is true, and I think it is, then why this one. All the others disappeared without a trace but this one stayed on and was worshiped for 2000 years. If he was not the real deal then why would he not have faded into history just like all the rest. If he had been the only one we could say he was a kook and move on. Since there were many then the one who stands out is probably real.
There are internet memes that claim that but pretty much all of them are nonsense. E.g. Jesus and Horus comparisons. No serious scholar believes that, both Christian and secular. It DOES apply in some old testament stories but only a little for Jesus. e.g. a virgin birth is a common trope in Greco-Roman mythology and even biographies. Clearly that's not historical. Still interesting, but not historical. That doesn't make the entire character an amalgamation.. For example a virgin birth is also claimed for Alexander the Great and nobody thinks of him as an amalgamation or mythical figure.
@hantms It's not just the virgin birth. The Christian religion emerged in the Hellenistic world, which was heavily influenced by Greco-Roman, Jewish, and Near Eastern traditions. Each of those shared characters with similar traits and stories. Virgin birth, death, resurrection, and salvation were all common themes shared by Hindu, Egyptian, Roman, Greek, Norse, and other religious figures.
I'm so used to watching Brain Blaze that I forgot how calm and scary Simon can be when he's not all fired up from torturing Danny and Sam in his basement. Allegedly.
Up through about the 4th Century, the prominent competitor to Christianity was Orphism. I'd like to see y'all do a video about that! And of course, as hilariously explored in "Life of Bryan," the reality that there were many who claimed the role of the pending Messiah.
@@KingPingviini Sure, but which one? There are others who claim others, and there is a majority of people in the world who say none of them were particularly true.
@@Eng_Simoes But, given it was filmed within many here's lifetimes, and we have the footage, is it more or less real than a Jesus known only from a handful of writings from 2000 years ago, written by people born after the date of his alleged death?
It always amuses me that whenever anybody points out that Tacitus was a respected scholar and historian and always spoke of true things, they never point out that he also wrote about Hercules as an historical...
Plutarch wrote a biography of Romulus. Several other ancient historians also talked about Romulus. Most modern historians agree that Romulus was not a real person
Yeah, like saying that Tolkien was not a respectable linguistic figure because he wrote that some mythical creatures existed and spoke his created language.
You never know. Similar to Jesus, Hercules might have been historical, but his actual history has been murkeyed beneath myth. It’s likely that he might have been a great King or chieftain, who was later deified. A similar thing happened with Alexander the Great, and we know he was real.
@@magicaltour1 Some other mythical gods/heroes may also have been inspired by real people. I have seen claims that Odin was a Nordic chieftain who lived around 200AD and Shiva was an ancient Indian general. Given the widespread tradition of ancestor worship throughout the history of the worlds many cultures I'd guess it's inevitable
Prince John didn't dedicate his life, live in poverty and then die a horrible death all to try and tell people about the taking from the rich and giving to the poor message of Robin Hood.
@@balthus9105 I think you miss the point. If I write a story now about the 1920's and have Batman meet Al Capone, that doesn't make Batman real. This is the equivalent of the accounts from 100 plus AD. They could be made up and contain real historical figures.
@@fivetriplezero8985 Please give me any historical fact that couldn't face the same argument. Also the letters of St Paul are from just a few years after Christ, he was a contemporary of Peter and spoke with him on many occasions and Peter was a disciple. Is Paul a fiction? Did he make up Peter?, both died horribly for saying the things they did so were their deaths made up? because who would make up a lie in order to live like a hobo, gain nothing for themselves and then die in some of the worst ways possible?
@@balthus9105 Why would the cultists in Jonestown kill themselves? Trying to use logical positions to describe human behavior is a fallacy. Also , No there are no sources that close. At least not any that directly mention Jesus or have not been heavily scrutinized as possible forgeries. All copies of the gospels come from around 100 ad plus. They CLAIM to have been written originally before that, but those copies have NOT been found. Saying that they wrote about him near to his death is disingenuous and based on later accounts. It is third party hearsay. It is the equivalent of me writing a story about a story about Eisenhower. "But I met the guy who knew his friends and was told about him so he told me about him. Trust me." It literally is not evidence. The Romans kept excruciating records of everything, and contemporary Roman sources do NOT mention Jesus until they mention the cult of Christianity. This video is full of partial information that is presented in a misleading way. There are MANY scholars who disagree that Jesus was definitely one real person. The only agreement even among Christian scholars is that the Baptism and crucifixion happened but nothing else is reliable. But they use the fallacious embarrassment criterion. Writing a story that paints you bad is not proof that your story is true. Especially so for stories like the crucifixion which CREATES the MARTYRDOM that he is now worshipped for. There is NOT ONE piece of contemporary evidence of his existence as a real person. The closest sources mention him tangentially at best, and they may be forgeries. The closest source that mentions him directly is 40 years after his death by a Roman in prison writing to his son and he describes a person who might be the Christian Jesus to his son. Why exactly would a roman write a letter to his son from prison describing an event that happened before his own birth? is this logical? NO. It is at best a retelling of the current propaganda, and at worst it is entirely a forgery by early Christians to solidify the divinity of their martyr. If Jesus was scrutinized at the same level of veracity of other figures of his era, then not one scholar would say that he definitely existed. It is most likely that his stories are amalgamations and fancified versions to create a mytho-historical figure. This happens very often in human history and has been a major driver in our written histories for thousands of years before Jesus. People like Pontius Pilate ( a prefect but was labeled wrongly by Josephus which calls his knowledge steeply into question) DID exist and there are EXTENSIVE records to back this up. The Pilate stone is just one. He was written about in several other contemporary documents from first person accounts. The same is true for many historical figures, they either have first person accounts or a very compelling archaeological evidence to their existence. Despite the misinformation pushed by this video, we DO have a high degree of certainty about some historical figures with greater evidence and we also have some historical figures that are considered mythological until we find more evidence than a story written many years after their death. Do you believe Heracles was a real person? The Greeks did. They wrote many stories about him including second hand accounts. Are they compelling? No. Because they are obviously fantastic and embellished. The same is true of the gospels. If they have any nuggets of truth, they have ruined that by including so many obvious falsehoods and by concealing certain parts in codes. The biggest part of this though is that for any regular person there would be no need to make up the story, but for this person, it IS in the best interest of the cult of Christianity to make up stories to legitimize their divinity. They literally have every reason and motivation to lie to make the story come out a certain way. Was there a Rabbi at the time named Yeshua who riled up the synagogues and was put to death? Maybe, but the literal Christian Jesus as described in the new testament most certainly did not exist, or is an amalgam of multiple historic figures. THAT is the REAL consensus among scholars who are not deeply seated in the Christian indoctrination of the modern Christian western world. I would suggest that you look up a lot more about this than this video shows, and before you do you may want to take a short course on media literacy. This particular topic is FULL of misinformation and people justifying it. The criterion for accepting the synoptic gospels are mostly fallacious, with the criterion of embarrassment being the most patently ridiculous. ( "Hitler embarrassed himself by saying the Jewish people were controlling is country, He must have been telling the truth." Can you see how bad of an argument that is now?)
I feel we should point out more that there is a gradient between historicism and mythicism regarding Jesus. There is some middle ground between “Jesus unequivocally did not exist” and “the Bible is a reliable account of the life of Jesus”. Legends are rarely invented out of whole cloth, but mundane accounts are frequently embellished.
The problem is that when you pull out all mystical stuff surrounding Jesus, then the story about him makes zero sense anymore. I think the story about him in the Bible is quite clear. God created a son. His mission was to repeal the eternal sin by taking all sins in the world upon himself, and when he died was all other humans free from sin. If you do not believe that God created the world, Adam and Eve and the garden of Eden and the forbidden fruit that Adam ate... and that God punished humanity with the eternal sin... then I wonder why the heck are you still believing in Jesus? The entire point of Jesus existence was to repeal the eternal sin by taking it all upon himself and die. God himself could not do that, because God cannot die. But humans can die. So he created his own son Jesus, because he God all mighty loves humanity and felt regret about being so harsh upon it by cursing it with the eternal sin. So he wanted to undo that by creating Jesus.
@@benjalucian1515 every time, people like you are so arrogant. truth is immensely powerful and you would not be if you realized how extreme life can be. we filter knowledge through our emotions and those who are ignorant use knowledge to get laid, gain friends, and hide yourself to how ugly oneself can be. there's nothing pretty or elegant enough about truth to feed this arrogance and still i only know so very little at 34
I'm a christian (but like, your c-averagest christian) and i appreciate how u presented this video. Thank you for still being quite neutral and being yourself here simon! ❤
@@LuckyFlesh I'd never call myself sane, rational or objective. People pretending otherwise are either lying to themselves or haven't ventured outside their own little bubble yet.
@@jennyanydots2389 At least you're aware of your shortcomings. You're still young. Time is on your side. You'll overcome your ignorance eventually. Good luck.
@@forwardsdrawkcab it can't be proof, it lacks scientific authenticity. The creation of the Bible is a known and verified history. It was made by a group of powerful people who saw their division would destroy their own power and collaborated by cutting and pasting existing religious documents. Modern translations make it more inauthentic.
absolutely, the purpose of Jesus narrative to control the people of the roman empire was long gone and ended, The Bible is not compatible for the 21st century humans today, I guess it'll take around 50-100 years from now, all the religions will gonna crash and outdated concept for the modern humans
I'm an atheist, and I've always thought Jesus existed, as a kind of wise man who built a following, like Wovoka or Gandhi. Just a man, but an influential man.
@@justice8718 Really? The bible is full of inane claims of taking donkeys, unicorns, living in a fish, and that bats are birds! Not to mention the really gross things like how it is bluntly pro slavery, pro genocide / ethnic cleansing, pro stoning children to death, and anti women. None of that sounds like divine wisdom to me..... more like a prduct of the bronze age cruelty it was written in.
@justice8718 Regardless of Jesus' heritage/existence/or non-existence...the bible was written by men, long after Jesus' lifetime. For any men to claim they comprehend the mind and intentions or wishes of *any* deity so well and so thoroughly that they can either speak for the deity or author books on such a premise is the height of human arrogance.
@@vdoggydogg3922 Thank you! They do get very defensive when people question their "absolute infallibility" concerning their belief system. Personally, I stopped having conversations with my invisible friend when I was five.
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The existence of Jesus is in the faith of this Bald Man with Beard
He is not stating his own opinion. Just going through history .
Tacitus called Pilate a procurator but he was not using records, but hearsay or he'd know Pilate was Prefect. And the Flavian testament is known to be at least partly a forgery.
His name was Yeshua.
love reading the comments.
I will always remember one of my teachers once saying ‘Oh Jesus definitely existed, its whether he was actually the son of god or not is the question"
Your teacher was wrong
@@davidagiel8130 Is this where Jesus was tried by Pontius Pilate?
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I mean there's fair evidence to say Jesus probably existed, or at least someone existed that inspired the mythos.... But as the gospels were written wayyyyyy after he allegedly died (and we don't have any gospel manuscripts from anywhere near when they were likely first written) anything in them is doubtful.
It's the most common... how to put it nicely... obfuscation. 😂
It’s more like it doesn’t matter if he did exist.
It matters only whether there is empirical evidence for any supernatural claims.
And there is not.
I’m sure this is going to be a lovely comment section 😂
True!
filled with incorrigible "people" from all sides
C'mon... The Bible talk about love and forgiveness! Religious are never hateful! Imagine how hypocrite it would be...
Agnostic her.e
Jesus existed. That is pretty much all that can be proven.
I think the Dwayne Johnson Hercules movie was pretty awesome in a way that could show Hercules existed. Millennia ago people thought crazy things, so for all we know some dude ran around saying he was the son of Zeus and did all that badass stuff
@@Berengier817 There were a lot of Zealot movements among the Roman-occupied Judeans. Python's Life of Brian is actually very good for historical insight on the matter.
The real question is whether Simon Whistler exists or is he just an elaborate AI...?
He's perfect for just switching to full a.i RUclips controller, probably thousands of hours to feed the machine no one will notice in less than a year of use
I’ve actually never met him so he obviously mustn’t exist!!
Simon Whistler is a sentient beard.
There were no tangents so is the AI.
I have a hard time imagining an AI that a) has such a magnificent beard and b) would make itself bald at that age. As we heard in the video, if you make something up, you generally don't include embarassing features;)
This was my exact field of research as a history major at UCLA. Guys, you should have highlighted the fact that historians date the books of the new testament as being written a century after the purported events making them completely unreliable as "historical" documents. To make matters worse, when you add in the new testament authors included tales of magical events they lose credibility even more. For instance, if I wrote a document today about the 1920s I would hardly call my writings testimonial or historical evidence. And if people in 2000 years from now found my writings from 2024 about the 1920s, those future historians would be correct in discounting my writings as non-historical. And if the document I wrote in today about the 1920s included passages about a flying wizard that could resurrect people from the dead and could walk on water, I would certainly hope future historians would consider my written document as even less "historical." Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Magical claims written by authors removed from the purported events by 100 years are so feeble it only goes to show how silly having any mention of the new testament writings as "historical" in any way. And to say that these documents mentioning things that happened during that time as helping butrress their historicity is frankly silly. Superman comics mention the existence of the White House. This does not make Superman ANY more historical.
I went to SDSU and barely made it through that. So, what did you learn about the Origins of this Literary Fiction of Jesus and the Gospels? Who wrote it and why did they write it?
See I was abusing the internet for knowledge as soon as I could read so I always thought it was funny how there are more credible accounts of people from the Bible being mystical or even being real pilgrims come not from the Bible itself, being full of magical story one after the next, instead they come from ancient diaries of random farmers who became politicians or from a almost radical news article from ancient societies. History is fun
Im a 22 year old man who jumps for joy when someone talks about Roosevelt or frank Sinatra and I feel no shame for it
@@samuelbrown7466 Yes! But there is plenty of factual proof that Roosevelt and Sinatra were actual Historical people. With this Jesus you get "crickets". The after the fact Gospels state that Jesus was in Jerusalem and more importantly the Temple numerous times- teaching, overturning tables and so forth. Nobody alive at this time reports any of this? Not Philo, not the Dead Sea Scrolls, not any of the Temple Essences? Nobody!
The Gospels are not really Christian- shocker is it not?they are a Roman made up Judaism intended to pacify and replace Messianic Judaism- the ones Rome: Crucified, killed, enslaved.
About 300-400 AD the Roman Imperial Cult morphs into the Catholic Church along with the Gospels now become Christian for consolidating the Larger Empire outside of Palestine.
May god have mercy on your soul.
I just like the fact that the first photo you used of Jesus was actually Obi-wan Kenobi
😂 I had to check and yup, thats him alright 😅
A well known internet meme. Well played :)
I saw it instantly, and for some reason it really ticked me off 😆
Hello there
Jedi Jesus
When the Jewish people of Judea/Palestine were under Roman Occupation, a lot of Zealots, or Messianic figures, rose to challenge the Romans and were inevitably crucified, the common punishment for Sedition.
Notable insurgencies were The Judean People's Front, The People's Front of Judea and The Judean Popular People's Front.
😂
And aside from the aqueducts, sanitation, the roads, irrigation, medicine, education, the wine, public order, the fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for the Jewish people?
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
And Brian, the real messiah.
Always look on the bright side of life.
My favorite part of the Bible was when Jesus said "It's over, Pilate! I have the high ground!"
lol, I'm stealing that.
@@TheLochs don't, you will be crucified for it.
Being on a cross is a tough high ground. 😅
@@joshua.snyder You underestimate His power
@@joshua.snyder nailed it with that one 😉
At around 12:09, the closed captions have Simon saying: "...the deadliest *fart* in history that resulted in the deaths of 10,000 people..." 🤣
He did, it's a real video. I had to look it up, as I didn't believe it either. Something to do with outhouses.
He actually said that lol
I realize you are trying to squeeze thousands of years of history into a short video but for Christ's sake take a breath between sentences man! Slow down your cadence a bit and give us a chance to absorb the information.
The picture of Ewan McGregor on the mantle as Jesus killed me 😂
Same! 😂
Hello there....
.have you heard the good news?
@@mikenapier3598 Yes. Goodbye.
Taking the "high" ground concept to another level... 😂
he is the master, borderline surrogate father of star wars Jesus.
The fact that the editor used a picture of Ewan McGregor to introduce Jesus is so 👌😂
@@nienie713 obiwan.... I am not going there..
The thought of Jesus wielding lightsabers and have mind over matter powers (which clearly he has by walking on H2O) is a fascinating thought 😅
I guess if he would dare to use a picture from..let´s say Luke Skywalker, to talk freely about Mahoma…
@@willywonka4340 Maybe the water was shallow.
Oh good. That wasn't just me then!
The most interesting part of this to me is just how little evidence there is for most historical figures from this era and earlier. Even if we're getting it right 99% of the time, that still leaves a significant number of historical figures who didn't actually exist.
Or perhaps more likely the other way where there are a ton of hugely important people in their times in history we have zero record of. -Daven
@@TodayIFoundOut The big problem that a lot of folks ignore through, when presenting the OP's agrument, which was touched on briefly here at the beginning, is that almost everything we read about Jesus is describing and arguing for the existence of a supernatural being that performed supernatural feats, not a regular guy doing amazing but mundane things. Historians in general will regard past figures with similar attributes as Jesus as being fictional or mythological; but somehow Jesus gets a pass here. Most past figures that are considered historical for whom we don't have a lot of evidence for are considered historical BECAUSE their descriptions are mundane not supernatural (with the occasional embellishment). To close on the argument that to deny Jesus' historicity is akin to denying climate change is patently fallacious. We have loads of evidence and data backing up climate change, not to mention the fundamentals of physical chemistry wrt to CO2. We have virtually no evidence of Jesus' existence except highly fictionalized writings from which some historians painfully try to tease out a real person. The historian who made that statement is truly trying to cover for some serious short comings.
@@brianfox771 The Jewish and Roman sources do describe Jesus in mundane terms.
@@wfjhDUI Yes, the untampered ones do. But most of those sources are either quoting Christians or are derived from NT sources, and were written decades after Christianity had been established.
@@brianfox771 - I would disagree with the notion that only Jesus of Nazareth gets a pass; most historians of religion that I am aware of regard Siddhartha Gautama as an historical figure as a matter of course (very few, that I have found, go on a "quest" for the "historical Siddhartha"). One could make the same argument regarding Mohammad, for instance. The exception I have noted is the three Patriarch and Moses, where most will consider the Patriarchs to be highly legendary figures at best (with a great number concluding Isaac never existed at all) and several doubting the existence of a specific Moses (with some suggesting Moses is an amalgamation of figures who were among the exodus group and who's actual identities are now lost to time). So I would disagree that Jesus receives a pass prima facia, particularly considering we have 200 years of serious academic study of Jesus as an historical figure, with interpretations of Jesus' historicity moving as different historical methods gain prominence. It's hard to say that Jesus just "gets a pass". While Prof. Meyers' statement may be hyperbolic, I don't think that hyperbole in itself makes it inaccurate.
Saying that there is no evidence Jesus existed, but that is ok because there is no evidence that anyone existed back in antiquity is not a compelling argument for Jesus having existed.
I worked with a Jesus from Guadalajara. He was an awesome guy, I'm pretty sure they're all real.
I knew an Aquiles (Achilles) in Oaxaca. I had a crush on his girlfriend.
I met a Gabriel at my university years back.
While slightly an oddball, he was pretty solid on the trombone..? Trumpet? Can’t remember. But I know HE was real.
My Jesus got hit by a car one day, deported the next.
My cousin? Yeah he's awesome.
Donald Trump doesn't like them.
“I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians.”
-Gandhi
I'm the opposite. I don't like their Christ, but I do like their Christians (to an extent).
@@SawyerCarlson-h6f Why? The teachings of their Christ is 'Don't be a jerk.' while Christians are the ones who have all the extra bits that get people wrapped up in knots.
@@leadpaintchips9461 jesus mentions hell more than any other person in the bible and saw it as a place of eternal torture for the horrible crime of not worshipping him...........i call that being more than a jerk..........
Gandhi was an asswipe.
@@paulrichards6894 seems to be a misunderstanding, you've taken the humans perception and found the flaw in it, you don't go to hell for not worshipping him you also dont get into heaven for just worshipping. Many men will come in his name, but what is it you believe?❤
If Odin didn’t exist, then why aren’t there any frost giants?
They melted one summer when they forgot to migrate back to the cold lands
@@isgamer-8732 They must have been distracted. That sounds like Loki trickery :)
Because global warming has some positive effects.
Exactly.
This guy is asking the right questions.
This was great,thank you?but do you ever breath while talking?
Pontius Pilate may have existed, but it's extremely unlikely that he ever said he would welease wodger.....
"He has a sister, you know. Inconnintia. Inconnintia Buttocks."
But what about Wodewick?
Islam is the religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus,
We Muslims 100% Believes in Jesus,
We Muslims Believes that Jesus is the Christ,
We Muslims Believes that Jesus will Come Again to this World,
Jesus did Miracles by the Permission of Allah,
Jesus himself Never said “Im God” also Never he said anyone to “Worship Me”
Jesus was Just a Prophet and Messenger Of Allah Only to Guide The People of Israel,
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*Jesus Denies Being God* | Read ⬇️
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"My Father is greater than me." [John 14:28]
“I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to My God and your God.” [John 20:17]
“Jesus said: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” [Mark 12:29]
“Jesus, Fell with his face to the ground and Prayed.” [Matthew 26:39]
“Jesus said, “My teaching is not my own,
It comes from the one who has sent me.”
[John 7:16]
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who has sent me." [John 5:30]
“The crowd answered, This is Jesus, the Prophet.” [Matthew 21:10-11]
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*The Coming Of Prophet Muhammad In Bible*
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“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When he the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come, He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” [John 16:12-14]
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*Allah Clears About Jesus*
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[Quran:- 5:72]:-
“Jesus has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord."
[Quran:- 19:30]:-
“Jesus has said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet.”
[Quran:- 4:171]:-
“Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah:
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@@HasanUnknown
"Islam is the religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus, "
So Christianity as a religion does not make one believe in Jesus? Your use of the word "the" as opposed to the word "a" means Islam is the only religion that makes one believe in Jesus.
Still, yes if Jesus never existed this is solid evidence that both Christianity and Islam are false. Both Christianity and Islam claiming he did.
Biggus ...
"You talk to God, you’re religious; God talks to you, you’re psychotic.” - House MD
Touche!!! Hahaha
House was a drug addict.
@@GalactusOG So? This quote is still perfect!
@@GalactusOG He was TV character with writers who were probably also on drugs but sober for the most part
@@GalactusOG Ad Hominem: "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."
I love how Simon acknowledges the fact that people find it funny that he runs so many channels and he made a joke about it with AI
When his videos show him with 6 fingers, we will know it’s true!
faxxxxx🎉🎉🎉🎉
thats funny cuz i had no idea he had multiple channels…when i saw the thumbnail i thoyght i was clicking a video by tbe only channel i knew of his-Thoughty 2. tho i assumed there was a Thoughty 1 or just Thoughty, never knew there were more
@@ScratchinAwayhe doesnt run thoughty2 though
I’m still discovering them and I love it
I think it goes back to the original statement here. A man named Jesus existed. In fact, many men named Jesus existed. Many men were preaching the end of times and peace on Earth and all of that at or around the time.
The real question comes down to is: was the Jesus of the Bible based on a man, or was it based on a whole lot of men - some of whom were called Jesus.
Not really.
Actual scholars demolished that “composite Jesus” idea over a decade ago.
@danieleyre8913 you are deluding yourself if you think that is true.
Even if the myth were based upon one man, there were very obviously many others who inspired elements of the myth .
@@geoffwaldon It’s not what I think, it can’t be.
It’s an irrefutable fact that scholars such as Bart Ehrman debunked that composite Jesus a decade ago. Hahaha try and keep up and get informed.
Then you got to take into account that Jesus is a modern translation, like Yeshua and that neither of these may have been what he was actually called if even he was based on a real person.
@ Ah… …no.
Paul writes about Jesus as a mortal man, and meeting his biological brother James.
"Do you even know who my dad is???"
- Some dude wearing a robe and birkenstocks in his early 30s
Funny, I enjoyed this comment! The representation is a bit off, but dang the joke is really funny!
We would definitely watch the crucifixion of some dude in a bespoke coffee shop. We'd watch it live on Kick, probably while placing bets on how quickly he goes from talking about his dad to calling for his mom.
Oh? Immmm! Your father! Padawan
Was he walking across the stormy water in his birkenstocks? That's the difference, huh?
@MichaelJones-rn2pq and he caught way too many fish to feed those people so that's poaching Lol
As jesus said, "only a sith deals in absolutes"
If god came down to earth we would absolutely know it - no doubt. But he didn't...
he also said "even the smallest person can change the course of the history"
So maybe he suffered from dwarfism? Just asking questions here
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 dude that was hilarious!
It’s 3:30 am and I’m laughing so hard now bc of this comment 😂
@@lunarmodule6419 Really? How do YOU know? Did you even bother to read the New Testament? And if you ever did, would you lean on your own interpretation?
The neutral, respectful and professional way this was presented is refreshing, thank you
wasn't neutral. he started with the assumption jesus existed and deducted his argument from there.
Not neutral, I'm certain Simon is Christian from this. There are a few inaccuracies that tend toward that bias unfortunately.
Ya there's no neutrality in the mental gymnastics applied here to dance around the complete lack of evidence beyond anecdotes. The logical fallacies on display here are embarrassing....
There is no merit in being neutral about an illusion. He never existed, end of story.
@@TheGuiltsOfUs Yet the servants of the opposer literally adore him openly and publicly and no one challenges them on their belief in his tangible reality.
The problem of Jesus isn't just that we don't have any evidence for his actual existence, is that what we have is consistent both with the mythological construction and syncretism of the time as much as with amalgamation of people.
His historicity or lack of is absolutely indeterminable with the available data.
Yes, it's a shame that the video didn't mention the work of Richard Carrier.
@@reggie18bmy thoughts exactly
I felt this video went into good detail about non-mythological sources supporting Jesus' existence. The simplest evidence for most of us is the fact that almost every professional historian with expertise on the time period thinks he was a real person.
@@PoochieCollins There are virtually no credible "non-mythological" sources for the historical Jesus. The video made a number of errors & misinterpretations of the evidence. Personally, I give it about 1/3 odds for the historical Jesus. If you are interested in the best scholarly case for the mythicist position may I recommend the work of Dr. Richard Carrier, He has a few published books, some for the layperson ("Jesus From Outer Space" is a great summary of his arguments for the layperson) and he is in many YT videos making his case.
One thing I thought might have got a mention… He was most likely called Joshua (well, Yeshua) which was then transliterated into Greek as Iesus (or something similar) then romanised into Jesus.
Yup. My Lord and Savior...Josh. 😄
@@kenziedayne4234 Josh is awesome
Iesus was the Koine Greek translation of Yeshua. Since the New Testament was written in Koine Greek, this change would make sense. It also explains how and why some names were changed due to translation: Matthew's Hebrew name was Levi, for instance.
I grew up in a catholic family- went to church every Sunday, got baptized and did all the things all the way through confirmation. Not once in my life did I ever hear of "Yeshua", and other variations, until maybe a couple years ago. Im very confused about this.
I no longer buy into the Catholic religion and don't go to church anymore... I won't get into it but it still sort of irks me how I never heard this name before and all of the sudden, I see it everywhere. Same with Yahweh.... why are there so many variations of his name? To me, that seems very odd. I feel like I stumbled into an alternate timeline tbh.
@@unicornkitteh5332 More people are reaching higher levels of education. Every day people are gaining the ability to study the evidence and learn the facts, compared to just being in control of a select few in the past. As a result more and more translations and evidence will likely be found for all sorts of things. :)
I had no idea that Jesus looked so much like Obi-Wan Kenobi
The force is with him lol
To be fair, Jesus does look like a Jedi lol
@@darkmyro The joke is on all of us... Ewan McGregor is actually Jesus in His "second-coming". McGregor's most parasocial fans have been worshipping the true God of the universe all along.
his facial features come from the son if a pope called cesare borgia or something like that
He did have the high ground
I absolutely love how y'all kept using a picture of Obi-Wan.
Ewan McGregor would be proud
I mean, that is close to a lot of the paintings of jesus in churches... which is insane.
Came here to say exactly that lol
Hello there.
Blasphemy! The force is strong with this one
I love the portrait of ewan macgregor at 45 seconds being the representation of jesus lmfao
If he did…then he probably didn’t look like Ewan McGregor 🤣
Yes!! That HAS to be a picture of him as Obi-wan!
He looked like Keanu Reeves
May the force, be with the.
Ewan McGregor has the high ground
@@spankflaps1365 he who hath the high ground shall inherit the Earth, and he who doth not shall burn in fire 😂
I feel confident in saying that if I had you as my teacher growing up, u could’ve avoided a lifetime of ADHD medication. But as it were, I constantly have to rewind your videos for missed information because I get so distracted at how cartoonishly fluid and effortless and natural your lectures are. And I don’t mind it at all. Man am I glad that I found this channel.
Watch at 3/4 speed. Easier to pick up everything… and quite interestingly, at times he sounds like a southerner (US) at that speed lol!
@@joeterp5615 ha ha! That is a hilarious observation. I live here in Texas, born and raised, and I will definitely test your recommendation.
@@thetruebatman4632 He is one of the fastest talking RUclipsrs out here, so if you like a more chill southern pace, you’ll enjoy the slower play back. Of course, it could also be said that he sounds just a little drunk at the slower speed lol! I grew up in Maryland… but my Dad’s from SC, and I’ve always been partial to the south myself.
Came here to say that I have to watch at 3/4 the speed and sometimes playback at 1/2 speed just to be absolutely sure of certain words, lol. He still sounds british to me at every speed, not detecting the southern american accent at all😂
I read the comments while watching
"I'm sure this is going to be a lovely comment section"
"Obi wan Kenobi"
Yeah it is going to bring out the monsters for sure, for there is absolutely no way they can even entertain the existence of someone who has more than twice the brains and balls they do.
OB1 Kenobi
I have the high ground satan
Obi wan was far more powerful than Jesus. Jesus can't even force ghost someone like Ben did so we could know what he looks like at the very least? Jesus' powers are weak.
LOL
Someone asked me if I had 'found Jesus yet?' I said I wasn't lookin
I always say…I didn’t lose him.
I like to say " I don't want to commit myself to heaven or hell I have friends in both places"
Next time tell them you found him between the couch cushions. But he had a bit of mold on him.
I had some Jehovah's witnesses ask me that I told him next time use bigger nails
@@bamacopeland4372 ohohoh, im stealing the shit out of that
"He's not the Messiah, He's a very naughty boy !" - Brian's mum.
"Piss off!" - Also Brian's mum
Monty Python is God.
@@tthings6686 LOL
@@danielshannon6027 Have you seen: Not the Nine O'Clock News - Monty Pythons worshipers on RUclips ?
British """humor"""
Love the Ewan McGregor as Ben Kenobi as Jesus photo in the lead intro, lol.
MANY unsuspecting grandmothers bought pictures of him and thought it was a Jesus portrait.
@@BFKAnthony817 Both my aunts have his picture up on the wall as Jesus. I asked one about it and she winked at me. I think they just like looking at Ewan, honestly.
I mean, have you ever seen them in the same room together?
I would like him to do the same to Mohamed.
Which is ironic considering Ewan McGregor actually did play Jesus in a movie.
"Short answer "Yes" with an "if", Long answer "No" with a "but" " - Rev Lovejoy
The existance of a person the first writings of whom were found written down 70 years after his death should at least be questioned. Especially weather or not someone sat next to him when hanging on the cross saying his last words and writing it down.
70 years after the crucifixion. At a time when the average lifespan was 24. That’s a rumour passed down 3 generations before it was even put on paper.
@jayhag5481 Well, doing my own research, i don't think anyone really knows how old people live back then. Iv found 20-30 like what you mentioned 30-50 even living up to 70. I think it really depends on where you are from in the world.
Good to see that some people actually swiped past all the religious talk and went on the search for hard evidence.
I have seen David Blaine replicate most of the "miracles" Jesus is claimed to have done, so my conclusion is that he was just a street magician fooling gullible people. It still works today.
That's pretty much the entire world of new testament historical scholarship, at least from accredited universities like prinsten. Definitely worth reading up on it if you find this kind of discussion interesting
RUclips isn’t hard evidence
having found such hard evidence is then proof that backs up the validity of that "religious talk"
@@letsgobrandon1906 he meant the scholars and academic sources mentioned in the video... Jesus Christ, learn to infer.
I've never seen Jesus or Obi-Wan Kenobi in the same room together. Coincidence? I think not
I think you’re on to something 🤔
Have you ever seen Obi-Wan at all. If you have i doubt your existence.
Wait 😮
@@leemacpeek2698 I have, I spoke to him. He was really interested in weird al song parody of America pie, the saga begins.
😂😂
Jesus is definitely real, he fixed my air conditioning the other day. And his cousin Reynaldo fixed my toilet a few weeks before that. Good people.
That's not the right Jesus! Those two didn't play professional baseball, heretic!
Though we don't have any actual hard evidence for Jesus existence...
It would seem to me God/Jesus would have seen it important to actually leave solid evidence for his existence.
Shroud of Turin.
@skiddty5568 When archaeologists discover different fossils that carbon dating estimate to be at times, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands to millions of years old, do you trust their dating techniques then? And please explain how finding a shroud proves God's existence? I mean you would agree, that finding a Spider-Man outfit doesn't prove Spider-Man existed.
@@stevenhall9009 like you said, carbon dating. Recent unbiased researchers proved that the Shroud or Turin dates to Jesus’ time. Just research the evidence.
Providing evidence completely goes against what God said. You need to have faith. Evidence does not even prove anything. You cannot prove things, only provide evidence that it does or does not exist. God created science, He is not scientific, God is not of this world. It is like making a game. The people in the game are limited by what the creator chooses to be the limits. The creator is not limited by the game because he is outside of the game. Google does not mean anything. Just because you found someone on Googles dating the New Testament to the year 1575 does not mean it is true.
Here is a scenario for you if you choose to deny what I have said. In this scenario, God is real. God being real means demons are real. We know that demons will do anything to discount God and lead people away. So in this scenario where God is in fact real, demons would try very hard to hide any actual evidence and alter anything they have to in order to make one less person believe. With that knowledge, we know that God is smarter than us, so it is safe to say that being omniscient, he would see that they would hide the evidence so it would be futile to leave any behind. Jesus said multiple time that he did not want anyone to know who he was until he leaves earth and he leaves behind the Gospels.
In an alternate reality, God is not real meaning there would be no evidence.
Both outcomes are the same, only, the second one does not have the New or Old Testament because God did not exist.
God bless.
@Dipvide Unbelievable, to actually read where someone writes as a response... Evidence doesn't prove anything! Living with this philosophy you will be the con-man's favorite mark. There's no way that you've been able to safely make it through life, unless the only time you actually live by this philosophy is solely when it comes to the historicity of God. Do you send your hard-earned money to support the lavish lifestyles of prosperity preachers like Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn & Creflo Dollar? Or have you found that there's actual evidence that they are con-men & you take heed in the evidence before you?
Funny, how “older” religions like Greece, Rome, or Egypt are now myths.
Not really
Believing in those religions is closer to being an atheist than a Christian, since the gods are basically just humans with powers
@@jollyface5986 Isn't that Jesus? Human mother, god father, human with powers?
You clearly don’t know what a myth is
That's probably a big part of why they're myths, they're older. It takes a long time for a religion to branch and evolve into something new, or die off. Christianity is very young, and even "modern" Judaism is one of the later ones, give it 10,000 years, and people will take about Jesus the same way they talk about Marduk or Ra.
As soon as my time machine is finished I'll go back and let you all know
Back yet?
Let us know if Caesar existed too
@@mountainmonkey15 funny that you'd mention that. My family and i are supposedly descendents of Caesar III. Gonna have to verify that while I'm at it. Might as well watch the battle of Troy. I heard Achilles was 4'11“. Might as well take a look at the battle of thermopile too. Gonna have to see if this 300 vs 1 million thing is true. I'm gonna do a count.
Don't forget to buy Apple stocks in the 90's
@@RS-Amsterdam I'm also gonna tell myself not to sell those 2000 bitcoins when they reach 10 cents and to wait until 2014 to sell 500 of them and sell the rest in March of 2024. I had 147 million dollars of coin that I sold for $200. Biggest mistake of my life. I don't like talking about it. Lesson learned. I make 700k a year so life ain't so bad.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." -Upton Sinclair
It's wild.. We have lived in this academic dark age with the Vatican controlling information for over a thousand years... Academies would actively discourage people from even questioning by taking away their jobs..
Dude then sits here with "well.. Academia says.." basically over and over as if appealing to authority isn't a logical fallacy.
Excellent quote, I wonder what the context was
This applies to popular atheist speakers who try to disprove god
@@ragnarok67 You are the one making the claim it exists, it's on you to bring forth the evidence. Make sure you use citations. Other than that, I agree with your statement.
@@tianna1116 Pretty sure they are alluding to the current scholarly consensus. Their paychecks depend on saying Jesus was historical even with the complete lack of evidence. All they have really is the New Testament and it has some serious issues. The biggest one being from the start it is arguing for and describing a supernatural being doing supernatural things, not a regular person doing regular things for his time. When you throw out all the supernatural stuff about Jesus in the NT your left with basically nothing. How do you rationally extrapolate a real person from that?
The guy called Jesus from Nazareth quite likely existed. The guy who walked on water and raised people from the death did not.
But theyre the same claim...
@NaneuxPeeBrane No, not really. It is like saying: "I know there was an Elvis Presley who lived in Graceland, but I don't know the Elvis Presley who is an alien and who is still flipping burgers in a joint in Philadephia.
What I mean is that Jesus was probably just some charismatic guy, but all miracles are probably just made up.
What evidence do you have that he did not? There are multiple possible eye witnesses to him doing so, but can you prove that he didn't other than saying it's a ridiculous proposition that he did?
@nathanthomson1931 There is usually only one possible witness to the miracles Jesus allegedly did, and that is the author himself, no matter how many people he claimes witnessed the act. Probably, he just made it up. Do you also believe that people were raised from their graves in Jerusalem. It is written that they talked to people, so there should be many witnesses. But does this make the story more believable?
@@runeaanderaa6840 point is that you can't know without any degree of certainty what you've just said is true. You're speaking about "possibly's" and theories. Why? Because you weren't there. So, you can't prove that the claims in the texts aren't true. That leaves us with you simply not wanting them to be true. However, there is a lot more evidence that there is truth to them than that they're totally false. So, what is the smarter bet? 🤔
Given that he's been in more RUclips content than anyone could watch in an entire lifetime, I'm not sure Simon Whistler exists.
Im sure he doesn't know what he is talking about in half of this videos.
@@misiu9049that's the point. He has a team of writers and he reads the scripts.
He's the face of several channels because of his voice and his delivery.
But that's like saying "I bet Alex Trebek didn't even know the answers to all the questions on Jeopardy"
It's not Alex's job to know! It's his job to host
@@TheDancerMacabre That is why I don't like this channels.
😅😅
@@misiu9049he will literally say that it’s in his eyes out his mouth and normally not thought of again. It’s the point of a team of writers🤦🏻♀️
Whether a person named Clark Kent ever existed is rather mundane, unless you can demonstrate he was bullet proof and could fly.
Of course you won't be able to prove that, what would be the POINT of his assuming the second persona, if he ever let any evidence be discovered of the first?. Given that no one EVER has turned up evidence, you would be wise not to notice anything . . . it might lead to "accidents" that were accompanied with corresponding Kent "alibis".
"Whether a person named Clark Kent ever existed is rather mundane unless you can demonstrate he was bullet proof and could fly."
Yes, it is mundane and it separate.
You can't say "it is impossible for men to be bullet proof and fly.....and therefore there was no such man."
The second doesn't follow from the first logically.
That some think Jesus was God Incarnate has no bearing on whether he existed as a man.
The thing is, in the case of Jesus, his existence is far from mundane. He still garnered an impressive following and sparked a major world religion. It doesn't really matter if he had supernatural abilities, he's still an intriguing figure.
@@neutrino78x . . . You LITERALLY can say "It is impossible for men to be bulletproof or fly unaided by technology, THEREFORE there was no such man" because it ABSOLUTELY follows that there was no such man as a bullet-proof flying man.
@@peterlewis2178 You don't understand the word mundane. It doesn't mean "Not effective" or "not famous" or "Not intriguing".
It means OF THE WORLD, that is what it means. Of the world means "Is not supernatural or metaphysical".
His existence, religious following and all, is and was PERFECTLY mundane . . . because there is NOTHING in all of existence, that is supernatural.
Every. Single. Thing. is NATURAL and explicable by Science.
"How the hell does he have all those RUclips channels?" 😂😂😂
What? It's only 12 channels 😅
Scarily close to omni-presence! 😂
He only reads the scripts on camera and runs the business. Other people edit and write.
There are 11 different Simons from 11 parallel universes. I thought it was obvious. You can tell the huge personality difference between "Today I found Out" Simon and "Business Blaze" Simon.
He's an Ai ..😏👍
Sadly, this is just a re-cap of the usual arguments for historicity, but doesn't quote anything which, as a graduate of history myself, leaves huge holes in the argument. You simply can't say that people believing something within 20 years of the event, being reported on 40-60 years after that belief is claimed to exist, is the same as saying that it's an argument for the core thing being real; Example? The cargo cult of "John Frum"; thought to be a US serviceman who served in the late 1930s to 1940s on Vanautu, but 20 years later an entire belief system about him being a divine figure, returning to bring back cargo had grown up.... it is, literally, the John From New York argument you make at the start, and yet in real life it DOES generate a religious faith; You can't make an argument saying it can't happen from something so vague when it literally did, within living memory today. And it's absolutely not the same thing as any real (or imagined) John Frum America preaching anything that's ascribed to the John Frum of faith. Historians simply don't make that leap today, they openly state we can only guess, even today, what the real source of any of the cargo cult was... but DO make that leap for Jesus, even though the historical record is even sketchier.
I notice you claimed there are contemporary records, but don't name ANY of them, only go straight to the usual sources that are decades after; but the reason we can be more sure about other historical facts is that we DO have contemporary records, and archeology etc that allows us to sketch a basic outline; the stone even for Pilate has turned up. But the facts about his title were different. And if the Gospels can be wrong about that, why can't they be wrong about what role he had in Jesus' death? And remember, the gospels disagree on what that role was between themselves. And they get dates of census, even the nature of census wrong... Why is it so hard to accept that it's entirely possible that none of this is proof of an actual Jesus of Nazareth outside of the most basic facts that the name and place exist, and that religious fanatics came to use it?
I do generally lean towards the idea he probably was a preacher whose behaviour got him crucified; but I don't believe it's PROVEN just because that would make history neater. We simply can't know. It was taken seriously later, but the actual truth of Jesus is that he's lost to history, if he ever existed at all.
I love that Simon has finally acknowledged that he could very well be an AI image
Scary to think we are in times where we question this
@Gmail Account AI is creating more and more content online and becoming realistic enough to fool most people. there is no good outcome to this except to fight against it. I have no idea how that's supposed to be done though .
Lol😅
If Simon is AI, he's a big improvement over Max Headroom.
@Fred Webster Jr different levels of shit, is still shit. how does this guy get people to get he's intelligent?
This was VERY well done, and respectfully done! Thank you, Simon and Co.!
persinallu dizagree
Respect for mad ideas is the end-state of madness.
@@davidarchibald50 let me guess, you think christianity set science back and is somehow responsible for wars correct?
@@davidarchibald50 Totally. I don't understand why we have to tip toe around adults who believe in mythology so much they want to take away other people's rights.
It would be fun to see videos like this on other major religious figures. Especially from religions that weren't common in Europe. In America, at least where I was, history classes growing up had woefully incomplete coverage of anything that wasn't Europe. Especially anything related to religions, outside of when they came into existence.
Yeah right, like anyone would do Mohammad.
I don't know that would be particularly interesting. Most other religious leaders were just people, while Jesus was supposed to be a magical god. And of course even if you had excellent evidence of particular religious figures, and that the stories referred to a particular person, you'd then need to find evidence of the actual miracles that they performed, which is unlikely if you're even questioning their existence. Especially since we have copious evidence of living people today capable of doing all kinds of religious miracles in front of thousands or millions of people who nevertheless are seen as fraudsters.
Watch this channel called Esoterica 👍
@@kain0067 The historical proof that Muhammad existed is undeniable. The difference is Jesus died just another Jewish peasant with a small fan base where Muhammad had a nation of people following him at the end. He was huge political force.
@@kain0067 Personally I'm curious if the M from the beginning is the same person as the M in the end.
I don't exist, this comment is proof of my testimony.
Simon, I want you to know that in less than 28 minutes, you have caused me to open my mind to a topic I had previously passed judgement upon. I learned more about this topic in 30 minutes than I have in 30 years.
The question remaining, how has this affected your past judgement?
Ive been atheist most my life. Recently Ive found some solace in faith, but I believe the faith Ive found and the religion that often follows it is going to be full of individuals I do not have faith in. Theyre of questionable ethics and If I want to continue down this route, Ill have to work to either change them or Id have to wait for divine judgement. Not sure if Im willling to wait for that.
@@anwaraisling My previous judgement, based on articles I read 15-ish years ago, was that Jesus was either not a historical figure or that there was no evidence that anyone believed him to be the messiah during his lifetime. Articles I read at the time suggested that the first written evidence of Christianity occurred about a century later. Simon’s video seemed to blow that out of the water.
You haven't looked into much I can see.
@@XDex91 Check this out....
The Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son,
and shall call his name Immanuel ('God with us')
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace.
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
These verses are from the book of Isaiah the prophet and were written 700 years
before Jesus was born. Who is he talking about?
Keep looking Dex. There's a treasure waiting for you at the end.
'Ask, seek, knock'
Best new testament moment is Nathaniel being told the Messiah has come from Nazareth and Galilee, to which he replies "how can anything good come from Nazareth and Galilee?" Jesus responds himself: "this man speaks no lies." Classic.
You take it out of context, Jesus was not agreeing that nothing good came out of Nazareth and Galilee but rather commending Nathaniel for his honesty (even if Nathaniel was wrong.)
The passage you are referring to is from the Gospel of John, chapter 1, verses 43-51. In this passage, Jesus calls Philip to follow him, and Philip goes to find Nathanael and tells him that they have found the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth. Nathanael is skeptical and asks, “Can anything good come out of Nazareth?” Philip invites Nathanael to come and see for himself. When Jesus sees Nathanael approaching, he says, “Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no deceit!” Nathanael is surprised and asks Jesus how he knows him. Jesus replies that he saw Nathanael under the fig tree before Philip called him. Nathanael declares his belief in Jesus as the Son of God and the King of Israel. Jesus tells Nathanael that he will see greater things than these and that he will see heaven opened and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.
And no, “an Israelite indeed, in whom there is no deceit!” was not a nickname for Nathanael. When Jesus said this to Nathanael, he was making a statement about Nathanael’s character. Jesus was saying that Nathanael was a true Israelite, one who was honest and without deceit. This statement was not meant to be a nickname, but rather a description of Nathanael’s character and integrity.
Thanks for the citation.
Did Nathaniel eventually see Heaven opened?
You'd think there would be contemporaneous reports of such a thing. Chinese astronomers taking notes, for example.
Otherwise it is bold for Jesus to say that Nathaniel wasn't a liar and then to go on to make such a bizarre claim.
@@1x1boop28Taking it out of context was the fun part.
So the fact that Galilee had a bad rep proves that Jesus existed? Uhhmm…
@@mattalley4330when did anyone say that
The Historicity of Jesus Wikipedia article, most of the sources were written by people from bible colleges. Any Christian who pays for and goes through bible college would naturally say "well duh, of course Jesus existed". If they didn't think he existed then they wouldn't be Christians and they wouldn't attend bible college.
Yup, including Agnostic Bart Ehrman
Regardless of if they think he exists, it's not a bad racket for a decent public speaker - why would they be out there getting rid of their own jobs?
Only a few years ago, that Wiki only had a minor entry on the actual historicity of jesus. Since then, apologists have been editing the crap out of it to boost their arguments.
That’s a lot of words to say nothing at all
@@dznutzonfyre4432 Somebody's never had motive for bias clearly explained to them before.
6:18 "his despairing cry on the cross" isn't actually something that works against the evangelists. It's a part of the messianic prophecy. It was a quote from the old testament that Jesus cries out when he said "Father, Father, why have you forsaken me". Also one could argue the other "embarrassing" things for the evangelists also work for them as Jesus had told his disciples that they would be hated and persecuted. It wouldn't do for them to them lie about the persecution they then faced just to attempt to make themselves seem more powerful. Especially when everyone could see the persecution of the Christians at the time of them writing these events down.
The only reason i clicked on this video is for the comment section
That's true for _most_ videos.
me too
Why? It's not like you are going to learn anything from it.
Here's your popcorn 🍿
@@AutumnBlessed Here is your 2 second of attention badge 🔋
My thought has always been that Jesus’s disciples must have really believed he was the Son of God, or else they all wouldn’t have been quite so willing to go out preaching His word knowing that it would, in all probability, lead to their persecutions & deaths. They happily went to their deaths one by one & never chose to walk away. That takes great strength & great belief in what they saw & heard while they were with Him. So though I have never doubted He existed & that He was a great teacher, I have to wonder, was He truly the Son of God, or simply a very charismatic man?
Just an ordinary man
Charles manson had people doing the same thing.
He had a God complex
Not necessaritly the son of god, but after his death, they certainly started to think that he had been some divine figure. The whole son of god aspect appears to be a later result of the theological disputes that would ensue.
The extent to which Christians were persecuted in the Roman world is generally overstated by modern Christians. That's not to say there was none, but for the most part the Romans ran a diverse empire that worked precisely because it tolerated local customs as long as they didn't interfere with Roman administration.
The photo of Obi-wan as Jesus, reminds me of that one time a woman thought she has a small statue of buddha turns out to be shrek, she has been praying to it for a long time.
Except unlike Buddism, Christianity never magically had it's texts show up 600 years after the person.
A meme within a meme. That was the original joke: someone’s grandma had a Star Wars portrait as “Jesus”.
🤣🤣🤣
Philo of Alexandria, Jewish scholar, born 20 years before Jesus and died 20 years after Jesus, wrote about the Old Testament and visited Jerusalem and never mentioned a Jesus Christ, neither did Josephus.
paul never met jesus and his jesus was a celestial person in the heavens............and the first gospel of Marks is just straight-up fiction
So?
@@bobrobert1123 Like an NBA reporter that knows nothing about Lebron James, Philo would have written about Jesus because religion was his life's work and all these miraculous things were being done just down the road, where he visited, so yes he had to have heard or noticed.
@@liberalinoklahoma1888 quite the leap there.
@@liberalinoklahoma1888 no one wrote about jesus.......
This comment section:
0.01% - Angry comments
99.99% - "Ohhhh these comments so spicy 🌶🔥"
Nah 99.99% are about Obi-Wan
Literally nobody has commented that 😂😭🤣
Please tell me you guys were intentionally trolling us with a picture of Obiwan for 30 seconds. lol XD
April fools
I laughed out loud in the quiet break room at work just now.
Obiwan is jesus
I was thinking the same thing, is that Ben Kenobi😂
oh thank god you saw it too i thought i was losing it
"Strike me down, and I shall become far more powerful than you can possibly imagine!"
- Jesus Christ 😂
Still has to cheat at wrestling and can't beat iron chariots.
It's funny. When I was a kid I saw Star Wars with my Dad. He was a very pious man and disliked even the depiction of Jesus in film thinking it as blasphemous. Yet he felt the religious zing of Star Wars and was impressed by it.
Lol but who
Is Darth????
And the Lord said unto Luke; Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father….
@@dustintacohands1107 The chosen one!
The question should be, did the version of Jesus in the Bible exist? The answer to that is an absolute no. Was there a figure that the religious version was based on? The real answer is, we don't know.
bro if you seriously look at all the evidence, their defintely was someone who was jesus, did he resurrect and get lifted to heaven hard to say, but he definitely existed
almost certainly totally made up................
Yes, let us all worship Obi-wan Kenobi of Nazareth.
Better than the actual one
And the padawans shall inherit the earth.
Well hello there😂
I wish I could have Simon Whistler as a dinner party entertainer holding a scotch and cigar talking about everything from all his videos while we all are enchanted by his suave explanations from his Mega Projects about a WW2 aircraft all the way to Harley Davidson microculture. I don’t know if he’s actually made a video about that, but I would watch it. My wife would complain about this dinner party because her husband would be giving more of his undivided attention to his favorite RUclipsr more than his wife.
You... so realise he reads from a script right? I believe he doesn't even write the script by himself either. He's the presenter of the channel.
Don't get me wrong he's certainly nice to listen to. But I doubt you'd get similar expositions if he had to just go from memory and ad lib it. ^^;
So. I'll set him up a teleprompter.
“Doing their respective nonsense…” I laughed so hard at this.
Seems very flimsy “evidence” of small, unclear references years later of someone walking around, curing the blind, walking on water, raising the dead. Even for the time, maybe it would have been more widely recorded? During the period it was actually happening?
This is extremely interesting but the part that Josephus decided that everybody should pretty much commit roman seppuku and then on his turn he was like ''' ah changed my mind'' just stole the show for me.
There's also the logical conclusion that he meant for that to happen and convinced his fellow Roman's to die in exchange for a favorable outcome. Not unheard of anyhow.
I am from Greece, and there are actually many people who still believe the old Greek pagan religion, instead of Christianity. Also, many people will mix the two religions, combining stories and mythologies.
Good for them. I hope that movement grows. People in Central and South America still believe in the MesoAmerican gods and/or combine Catholicism and their old religion.
@@benjalucian1515 do the sacrificies still happen?
@@Holograma. Yes, quite a lot.
I’m a hardcore atheist, but y’know what, I’m okay with this. I don’t really care to “eradicate religion.” I’m honestly fascinated by the ways people combine religions and help them evolve. I’d be more fascinated than “determined to break their beliefs”
@@slowrunn3r88 that is a really cringe thing to say, its like calling yourself an angry neckbeard cause those two are synonymous basically
Jesus' most useful idea is that we should care about one another. We shouldn't nurse hatred or treat each other cruellly. Instead, we should put aside resentments and be courteous, positive and understanding where possible. We also shouldn't act superior: we have our faults just like other people do. We should avoid racism, snobbery and exploitation.
people forget that before jesus's time the world was completely savage and without any mercy. The world only started to get better after Jesus Christ
@@hidingbehind7256 An now, especially here in the US, things have devolved into madness. People who invoke Jesus but don't act ANYTHING like he would say.
And remember to forgive your enemies. As I understand it, if you do not forgive (and repent ) , there will come a crucial time when G-d will never have known you.
@@Girlfrom.n0wh3r3 I like to picture my Jesus in a tuxedo t- shirt.
Tell that to any Ukrainian or anyone butchered for not believing
As an agnostic person, I know Jesus of Nazareth was a real person. Now his acts of deism can’t exactly be proven, but I wouldn’t doubt Jesus was a VERY influential man.
You "know" this how ?
It‘s not to be questioned if Kim Jong-Il ever existed.
It‘s to be questioned if he really hit 11 hole-in-ones on a 18-hole golf course, the very first time he played golf.
What it not 18 holes in one.?
@@lockydude007
"Kim shot 38 under, including 11 holes-in-one, at the 7,700-yard championship course at Pyongyang in the VERY FIRST golf round of his life, according to North Korean state media. "
ESPN. 😃
Exactly.
Actually not exactly, because Christians (mainstream ones, not Trump followers) don't actually believe that stuff happened literally as stated either, man.
The point is not Jesus walking on water, it's that if you have self confidence, and knowledge and fortitude, the human spirit can triumph over hard times.
this is outrageous because the great leader would never only get 11 hole's in one
@neutrino78x no, that's not the point. You're just an idiot
Imagine being some random guy in those times who likes to drink wine and then be remembered by history as a god and worshipped for millennium to come.
If he was a true historical figure, which he wasn’t, he’d be labelled as a cult leader with schizophrenia if he was alive today.
the poor couldn't afford wine - wine was only drunk by rich people, all of whom were Roman.
question - are you more likely to watch a film that has action in it, things that have next to no chance of ever happening?
well they didn't have films back then, all they had were stories.......
are you getting how so many people were enticed to the idea away from original beliefs ???
Funny, but Jesus was aggressive with his preaching and claimed to be God.
I made someone so angry discussing how Yeshua was a common name used for Jesus back in the day. But it basically translates to Joshua so he’s just some guy named Josh …
Dunno why that would make someone upset. I'm Catholic and fully accept Jesus' birth name was Yeshua de Nazareth.
Since Christ means he was "christened", as in anointed with oils, that means we've technically been worshipping Oily Josh.
Lol yeah, even in India we say "Yeshua" not "Jesus" when speaking in native tongue
@@Jacquer68if you take it from the Greek, sure. But from the Hebrew, where the Greek got it from, it means "one who is" or in other words "the one" or " the chosen one"
@@blakewilliams5344the chosen one, Josh
My favorite jesus qoute. "Only a sith deals in absolutes."
The next video in my automatic youtube lineup is titled, "How Powerful is Gandalf?" I find that funny.
Lucky duck! My up next is Simon asking, "What was Hitler like as a child? And was his grandfather really Jewish?" I know I don't have to click on it, but it does sound OH so fun! 😂
My gray lionhead bunny's name is Gandalf. When I saw your comment, I automatically thought of my bunny and wondered why anyone would make a video about my rabbit. 😅I guess it's time to step away from the internet.
Mine was "creating hitler" lmfao
@@schoolbeginsaftercoffee4759he sounds like a beauty!
Mine is ‘Why Did The Ripper Suddenly Disappear’… I’m not sure what to make of that…
As an Atheist I have little doubt he existed, It's the supernatural elements I take task.
Right? When I say he was a normal dude who lived and died like a regular shmoo, I'm called an asshole who doesn't know anything about Jesus.
Apparently, the only way he could have existed is if he he had magical powers and any other way if thinking is wrong.
As an atheist I don't care whether he existed.
As a mythicist I find his story all the way down to his existence itself fits really really well with modern made up stuff.
I very much doubt his existence, it's irrelevant anyway.
Bruh why do people even believe in jesus i meam cmon he was a normal guy that got popular and made a religios why the heck people still believe this ?
think the chances there was a real jesus is next to zero
You could do a bunch of other ones like this too. Did Moses exist? Did he write the Torah? Were the Jews before the hasmonean period monotheistic? What about the polytheistic jews on Elephantine Isleand who also worshipped Yahweh? Really it's a wealth of material.
I would most definitely watch a couple of these. Didn't even know about polytheistic jews.
Gonna go read some more 😅
there's a documentary I'd like you guys to see search "Mountain of Moses" on youtube, which proves the existence of Moses
"Did Moses exist?"
...nope
"Did he write the Torah?"
...nope
"Were the Jews before the hasmonean period monotheistic"
...yep, as Judah Maccabee was a jewish priest...son of a priest
"What about the polytheistic jews on Elephantine Isleand who also worshipped Yahweh?"
...too dumb to educate yourself, so I'll do it for you!
"Instead of preserving a Jewish identity, the group of Samarians that had settled on Elephantine Island developed a Jewish identity. They became Jews, initially not by choice but by circumstance...."
Need any more, or did your RELIGIOUS propaganda hit a dead end?
Moses didn't exist, he is a myth.
Sadly it's not worth it as even jewish fundamentalists agree moses never existed
0:16 there certainly are people who believe that Hercules did exist
Those are mentally handicapped individuals with the inability to separate reality from storytelling
I love how Soviet Womble was actually right.
The Carefully crafted English accent ABSOLUTELY lets me believe EVERY WORD this man says, simply based upon the way he says it.
In the movie "Jesus Christ Superstar" Pilate says "you Jews have messiahs by the sack full". My questions has always been that if this is true, and I think it is, then why this one. All the others disappeared without a trace but this one stayed on and was worshiped for 2000 years. If he was not the real deal then why would he not have faded into history just like all the rest. If he had been the only one we could say he was a kook and move on. Since there were many then the one who stands out is probably real.
@@dlb4299 😂😂😂 probably real is not evidence he was a messiah. You made a huge jump in that nonsense you wrote. Try again.
Not at all what I was expecting. I'm impressed.
Incredibly interesting! Again, a marvelously researched and presented video. Thanks!
I believe that the Jesus character is an amalgamation of stories and myths from older religions.
There are internet memes that claim that but pretty much all of them are nonsense. E.g. Jesus and Horus comparisons. No serious scholar believes that, both Christian and secular. It DOES apply in some old testament stories but only a little for Jesus. e.g. a virgin birth is a common trope in Greco-Roman mythology and even biographies. Clearly that's not historical. Still interesting, but not historical. That doesn't make the entire character an amalgamation.. For example a virgin birth is also claimed for Alexander the Great and nobody thinks of him as an amalgamation or mythical figure.
@hantms It's not just the virgin birth. The Christian religion emerged in the Hellenistic world, which was heavily influenced by Greco-Roman, Jewish, and Near Eastern traditions. Each of those shared characters with similar traits and stories. Virgin birth, death, resurrection, and salvation were all common themes shared by Hindu, Egyptian, Roman, Greek, Norse, and other religious figures.
0:37 - “Well… hello there!” 😂
General jesus, you are a bold one.
I'm so used to watching Brain Blaze that I forgot how calm and scary Simon can be when he's not all fired up from torturing Danny and Sam in his basement. Allegedly.
Cocaine
Up through about the 4th Century, the prominent competitor to Christianity was Orphism. I'd like to see y'all do a video about that! And of course, as hilariously explored in "Life of Bryan," the reality that there were many who claimed the role of the pending Messiah.
And only One who was true Messiah.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but "Life of Brian" is not a documentary.
@@KingPingviini Sure, but which one? There are others who claim others, and there is a majority of people in the world who say none of them were particularly true.
@@Eng_Simoes But, given it was filmed within many here's lifetimes, and we have the footage, is it more or less real than a Jesus known only from a handful of writings from 2000 years ago, written by people born after the date of his alleged death?
And still do, ... Jerusalem syndrome.
"These are not the Sinners you're looking for"
*on the cross*
"Father forgive them. For I have the High Ground."
"Also im a kickassdancer" caught me by surprise 😂😂
And some say the cult of dancercise he founded has not been extinguished to this day.
I legit didn’t realize this was an April Fool’s until he quoted Pontius Pilate being a kickass dancer haha
It’s not a joke- Dr Byron McCane quoted in the first 2 minutes is real and so is the Pilate stone
I first took it as his normal tongue and cheek humor, but when he mentioned Doc Brown the light turned on for me.
You're the one being fooled
It is a legit well resesrched video with some light-hearted humour sprinkled throughout. Its release on April the 1st is coincidental.
It always amuses me that whenever anybody points out that Tacitus was a respected scholar and historian and always spoke of true things, they never point out that he also wrote about Hercules as an historical...
Plutarch wrote a biography of Romulus. Several other ancient historians also talked about Romulus. Most modern historians agree that Romulus was not a real person
Yeah, like saying that Tolkien was not a respectable linguistic figure because he wrote that some mythical creatures existed and spoke his created language.
Historians at that time were naturalists and supernaturalists.
You never know. Similar to Jesus, Hercules might have been historical, but his actual history has been murkeyed beneath myth. It’s likely that he might have been a great King or chieftain, who was later deified. A similar thing happened with Alexander the Great, and we know he was real.
@@magicaltour1 Some other mythical gods/heroes may also have been inspired by real people. I have seen claims that Odin was a Nordic chieftain who lived around 200AD and Shiva was an ancient Indian general. Given the widespread tradition of ancestor worship throughout the history of the worlds many cultures I'd guess it's inevitable
So, Robin Hood existed because Prince John existed?
Prince John didn't dedicate his life, live in poverty and then die a horrible death all to try and tell people about the taking from the rich and giving to the poor message of Robin Hood.
@@balthus9105 I think you miss the point. If I write a story now about the 1920's and have Batman meet Al Capone, that doesn't make Batman real. This is the equivalent of the accounts from 100 plus AD. They could be made up and contain real historical figures.
@@fivetriplezero8985 Please give me any historical fact that couldn't face the same argument. Also the letters of St Paul are from just a few years after Christ, he was a contemporary of Peter and spoke with him on many occasions and Peter was a disciple. Is Paul a fiction? Did he make up Peter?, both died horribly for saying the things they did so were their deaths made up? because who would make up a lie in order to live like a hobo, gain nothing for themselves and then die in some of the worst ways possible?
@@balthus9105 Why would the cultists in Jonestown kill themselves? Trying to use logical positions to describe human behavior is a fallacy. Also , No there are no sources that close. At least not any that directly mention Jesus or have not been heavily scrutinized as possible forgeries. All copies of the gospels come from around 100 ad plus. They CLAIM to have been written originally before that, but those copies have NOT been found. Saying that they wrote about him near to his death is disingenuous and based on later accounts. It is third party hearsay. It is the equivalent of me writing a story about a story about Eisenhower. "But I met the guy who knew his friends and was told about him so he told me about him. Trust me."
It literally is not evidence. The Romans kept excruciating records of everything, and contemporary Roman sources do NOT mention Jesus until they mention the cult of Christianity. This video is full of partial information that is presented in a misleading way. There are MANY scholars who disagree that Jesus was definitely one real person. The only agreement even among Christian scholars is that the Baptism and crucifixion happened but nothing else is reliable. But they use the fallacious embarrassment criterion. Writing a story that paints you bad is not proof that your story is true. Especially so for stories like the crucifixion which CREATES the MARTYRDOM that he is now worshipped for. There is NOT ONE piece of contemporary evidence of his existence as a real person. The closest sources mention him tangentially at best, and they may be forgeries. The closest source that mentions him directly is 40 years after his death by a Roman in prison writing to his son and he describes a person who might be the Christian Jesus to his son. Why exactly would a roman write a letter to his son from prison describing an event that happened before his own birth? is this logical? NO. It is at best a retelling of the current propaganda, and at worst it is entirely a forgery by early Christians to solidify the divinity of their martyr.
If Jesus was scrutinized at the same level of veracity of other figures of his era, then not one scholar would say that he definitely existed. It is most likely that his stories are amalgamations and fancified versions to create a mytho-historical figure. This happens very often in human history and has been a major driver in our written histories for thousands of years before Jesus. People like Pontius Pilate ( a prefect but was labeled wrongly by Josephus which calls his knowledge steeply into question) DID exist and there are EXTENSIVE records to back this up. The Pilate stone is just one. He was written about in several other contemporary documents from first person accounts. The same is true for many historical figures, they either have first person accounts or a very compelling archaeological evidence to their existence. Despite the misinformation pushed by this video, we DO have a high degree of certainty about some historical figures with greater evidence and we also have some historical figures that are considered mythological until we find more evidence than a story written many years after their death. Do you believe Heracles was a real person? The Greeks did. They wrote many stories about him including second hand accounts. Are they compelling? No. Because they are obviously fantastic and embellished. The same is true of the gospels. If they have any nuggets of truth, they have ruined that by including so many obvious falsehoods and by concealing certain parts in codes. The biggest part of this though is that for any regular person there would be no need to make up the story, but for this person, it IS in the best interest of the cult of Christianity to make up stories to legitimize their divinity. They literally have every reason and motivation to lie to make the story come out a certain way.
Was there a Rabbi at the time named Yeshua who riled up the synagogues and was put to death? Maybe, but the literal Christian Jesus as described in the new testament most certainly did not exist, or is an amalgam of multiple historic figures. THAT is the REAL consensus among scholars who are not deeply seated in the Christian indoctrination of the modern Christian western world.
I would suggest that you look up a lot more about this than this video shows, and before you do you may want to take a short course on media literacy. This particular topic is FULL of misinformation and people justifying it. The criterion for accepting the synoptic gospels are mostly fallacious, with the criterion of embarrassment being the most patently ridiculous. ( "Hitler embarrassed himself by saying the Jewish people were controlling is country, He must have been telling the truth." Can you see how bad of an argument that is now?)
I feel we should point out more that there is a gradient between historicism and mythicism regarding Jesus. There is some middle ground between “Jesus unequivocally did not exist” and “the Bible is a reliable account of the life of Jesus”. Legends are rarely invented out of whole cloth, but mundane accounts are frequently embellished.
The problem is that when you pull out all mystical stuff surrounding Jesus, then the story about him makes zero sense anymore.
I think the story about him in the Bible is quite clear. God created a son. His mission was to repeal the eternal sin by taking all sins in the world upon himself, and when he died was all other humans free from sin.
If you do not believe that God created the world, Adam and Eve and the garden of Eden and the forbidden fruit that Adam ate... and that God punished humanity with the eternal sin... then I wonder why the heck are you still believing in Jesus?
The entire point of Jesus existence was to repeal the eternal sin by taking it all upon himself and die.
God himself could not do that, because God cannot die. But humans can die. So he created his own son Jesus, because he God all mighty loves humanity and felt regret about being so harsh upon it by cursing it with the eternal sin. So he wanted to undo that by creating Jesus.
@@nattygsbord Got a lot of Christians who say Jesus IS god.
@@benjalucian1515 every time, people like you are so arrogant. truth is immensely powerful and you would not be if you realized how extreme life can be. we filter knowledge through our emotions and those who are ignorant use knowledge to get laid, gain friends, and hide yourself to how ugly oneself can be. there's nothing pretty or elegant enough about truth to feed this arrogance and still i only know so very little at 34
So Thor was a real person then? Jesus is based on a real person as Harry Potter.
I'm a christian (but like, your c-averagest christian) and i appreciate how u presented this video. Thank you for still being quite neutral and being yourself here simon! ❤
Instead saying "I'm a christian" just say "I have a learning disability". It's much easier for everyone that way okay son?
@Jenny Anydots Nothing says "I'm a sane, rational, objective adult" like slinging ad hominems at total strangers.
@@LuckyFlesh I'd never call myself sane, rational or objective. People pretending otherwise are either lying to themselves or haven't ventured outside their own little bubble yet.
@@jennyanydots2389 At least you're aware of your shortcomings.
You're still young. Time is on your side. You'll overcome your ignorance eventually.
Good luck.
@@LuckyFlesh How old do you think I am exactly?
This is so cool that you're covering this topic. I love your channel.
I cannot accept the Bible as proof of anything
Even when it is increasingly corroborated by archeological evidence?
Good for you
Exactly, it's just a book written by men who were hungry for divine power. Just like the best con artist of all time, Jesus "the fraud" Christ
@@forwardsdrawkcab it can't be proof, it lacks scientific authenticity. The creation of the Bible is a known and verified history. It was made by a group of powerful people who saw their division would destroy their own power and collaborated by cutting and pasting existing religious documents. Modern translations make it more inauthentic.
absolutely, the purpose of Jesus narrative to control the people of the roman empire was long gone and ended, The Bible is not compatible for the 21st century humans today, I guess it'll take around 50-100 years from now, all the religions will gonna crash and outdated concept for the modern humans
I'm an atheist, and I've always thought Jesus existed, as a kind of wise man who built a following, like Wovoka or Gandhi. Just a man, but an influential man.
You will realize very soon that he was God in the flesh. The Bible is a book made by God that has order and structure beyond a man's capability.
@@justice8718 Really? The bible is full of inane claims of taking donkeys, unicorns, living in a fish, and that bats are birds! Not to mention the really gross things like how it is bluntly pro slavery, pro genocide / ethnic cleansing, pro stoning children to death, and anti women.
None of that sounds like divine wisdom to me..... more like a prduct of the bronze age cruelty it was written in.
@justice8718 ughh..he was being respectful and you push your fairytales
@justice8718 Regardless of Jesus' heritage/existence/or non-existence...the bible was written by men, long after Jesus' lifetime. For any men to claim they comprehend the mind and intentions or wishes of *any* deity so well and so thoroughly that they can either speak for the deity or author books on such a premise is the height of human arrogance.
@@vdoggydogg3922 Thank you! They do get very defensive when people question their "absolute infallibility" concerning their belief system. Personally, I stopped having conversations with my invisible friend when I was five.
Well done, I really enjoyed this video, well researched, as usual. Thank you all involved
They failed to cite any peer-reviewed examinations of the topic.
he says all experts think jesus existed...thats far from true
@@user-zz8ln3uh5x - he quoted historians like Ehrman who have written peer reviewed articles about the topic.
Hold up.... I'm gonna need to know WAY more about Pontius Pilate being a kickass dancer.
I hear he really nailed the superman
He was a pole dancer. He really nailed it
He was on "Dancing with the Stars", wasn't he?