Is There Any Hard Evidence That Jesus Actually Existed?
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- Is there evidence for the existence of Jesus? This video delves into the historical and archaeological records, exploring theories and debates surrounding one of history's most significant religious figures.
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The existence of Jesus is in the faith of this Bald Man with Beard
He is not stating his own opinion. Just going through history .
Tacitus called Pilate a procurator but he was not using records, but hearsay or he'd know Pilate was Prefect. And the Flavian testament is known to be at least partly a forgery.
His name was Yeshua.
love reading the comments.
The real question is whether Simon Whistler exists or is he just an elaborate AI...?
He's perfect for just switching to full a.i RUclips controller, probably thousands of hours to feed the machine no one will notice in less than a year of use
I’ve actually never met him so he obviously mustn’t exist!!
Simon Whistler is a sentient beard.
There were no tangents so is the AI.
I have a hard time imagining an AI that a) has such a magnificent beard and b) would make itself bald at that age. As we heard in the video, if you make something up, you generally don't include embarassing features;)
I will always remember one of my teachers once saying ‘Oh Jesus definitely existed, its whether he was actually the son of god or not is the question"
Your teacher was wrong
@@davidagiel8130 Is this where Jesus was tried by Pontius Pilate?
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I mean there's fair evidence to say Jesus probably existed, or at least someone existed that inspired the mythos.... But as the gospels were written wayyyyyy after he allegedly died (and we don't have any gospel manuscripts from anywhere near when they were likely first written) anything in them is doubtful.
It's the most common... how to put it nicely... obfuscation. 😂
It’s more like it doesn’t matter if he did exist.
It matters only whether there is empirical evidence for any supernatural claims.
And there is not.
As soon as my time machine is finished I'll go back and let you all know
Back yet?
Let us know if Caesar existed too
@@mountainmonkey15 funny that you'd mention that. My family and i are supposedly descendents of Caesar III. Gonna have to verify that while I'm at it. Might as well watch the battle of Troy. I heard Achilles was 4'11“. Might as well take a look at the battle of thermopile too. Gonna have to see if this 300 vs 1 million thing is true. I'm gonna do a count.
Don't forget to buy Apple stocks in the 90's
@@RS-Amsterdam I'm also gonna tell myself not to sell those 2000 bitcoins when they reach 10 cents and to wait until 2014 to sell 500 of them and sell the rest in March of 2024. I had 147 million dollars of coin that I sold for $200. Biggest mistake of my life. I don't like talking about it. Lesson learned. I make 700k a year so life ain't so bad.
The only reason i clicked on this video is for the comment section
That's true for _most_ videos.
me too
Why? It's not like you are going to learn anything from it.
Here's your popcorn 🍿
@@AutumnBlessed Here is your 2 second of attention badge 🔋
I’m sure this is going to be a lovely comment section 😂
True!
filled with incorrigible "people" from all sides
C'mon... The Bible talk about love and forgiveness! Religious are never hateful! Imagine how hypocrite it would be...
Agnostic her.e
Jesus existed. That is pretty much all that can be proven.
I think the Dwayne Johnson Hercules movie was pretty awesome in a way that could show Hercules existed. Millennia ago people thought crazy things, so for all we know some dude ran around saying he was the son of Zeus and did all that badass stuff
@@Berengier817 There were a lot of Zealot movements among the Roman-occupied Judeans. Python's Life of Brian is actually very good for historical insight on the matter.
I just like the fact that the first photo you used of Jesus was actually Obi-wan Kenobi
😂 I had to check and yup, thats him alright 😅
A well known internet meme. Well played :)
I saw it instantly, and for some reason it really ticked me off 😆
Hello there
Jedi Jesus
The life of Brian is the most true to life biblical story you could ever watch
Another "paleoastronauts" enthusiast? Also - it was good if Roman solider could read and write, definietly they won't behave like 1950's Latin teacher from England. And this suicide terrorists - c'mmon, not before Jewish uprise like 7 years later...
We both know that is total nonsense and so do everyone else. The life of Brian was funny, but your comment isn't.
@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution 😂😂😂😂 as funny as the bible
@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution Repent and follow the gourd! Brian is the true messiah.
Life of Brian is my favorite documentary! 👍
"I'm sure this is going to be a lovely comment section"
"Obi wan Kenobi"
Yeah it is going to bring out the monsters for sure, for there is absolutely no way they can even entertain the existence of someone who has more than twice the brains and balls they do.
OB1 Kenobi
I have the high ground satan
The fact that the editor used a picture of Ewan McGregor to introduce Jesus is so 👌😂
@@nienie713 obiwan.... I am not going there..
The thought of Jesus wielding lightsabers and have mind over matter powers (which clearly he has by walking on H2O) is a fascinating thought 😅
I guess if he would dare to use a picture from..let´s say Luke Skywalker, to talk freely about Mahoma…
@@willywonka4340 Maybe the water was shallow.
Oh good. That wasn't just me then!
My favorite part of the Bible was when Jesus said "It's over, Pilate! I have the high ground!"
lol, I'm stealing that.
@@TheLochs don't, you will be crucified for it.
Being on a cross is a tough high ground. 😅
@@joshua.snyder You underestimate His power
@@joshua.snyder nailed it with that one 😉
When you have about 2 dozen messiahs that predate jesus with the pretty much same story you have to go hmmm
Have to say, after watching and/or reading many critiques on this subject, that this is probably the most intelligent and inclusive treatment of the subject I've seen. Bravo!
he didn't critically assess any of the evidence. period. He just presented the "scholarly consensus" and not even that thoroughly.
When the Jewish people of Judea/Palestine were under Roman Occupation, a lot of Zealots, or Messianic figures, rose to challenge the Romans and were inevitably crucified, the common punishment for Sedition.
Notable insurgencies were The Judean People's Front, The People's Front of Judea and The Judean Popular People's Front.
😂
And aside from the aqueducts, sanitation, the roads, irrigation, medicine, education, the wine, public order, the fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for the Jewish people?
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
And Brian, the real messiah.
Always look on the bright side of life.
The most interesting part of this to me is just how little evidence there is for most historical figures from this era and earlier. Even if we're getting it right 99% of the time, that still leaves a significant number of historical figures who didn't actually exist.
Or perhaps more likely the other way where there are a ton of hugely important people in their times in history we have zero record of. -Daven
@@TodayIFoundOut The big problem that a lot of folks ignore through, when presenting the OP's agrument, which was touched on briefly here at the beginning, is that almost everything we read about Jesus is describing and arguing for the existence of a supernatural being that performed supernatural feats, not a regular guy doing amazing but mundane things. Historians in general will regard past figures with similar attributes as Jesus as being fictional or mythological; but somehow Jesus gets a pass here. Most past figures that are considered historical for whom we don't have a lot of evidence for are considered historical BECAUSE their descriptions are mundane not supernatural (with the occasional embellishment). To close on the argument that to deny Jesus' historicity is akin to denying climate change is patently fallacious. We have loads of evidence and data backing up climate change, not to mention the fundamentals of physical chemistry wrt to CO2. We have virtually no evidence of Jesus' existence except highly fictionalized writings from which some historians painfully try to tease out a real person. The historian who made that statement is truly trying to cover for some serious short comings.
@@brianfox771 The Jewish and Roman sources do describe Jesus in mundane terms.
@@wfjhDUI Yes, the untampered ones do. But most of those sources are either quoting Christians or are derived from NT sources, and were written decades after Christianity had been established.
@@brianfox771 - I would disagree with the notion that only Jesus of Nazareth gets a pass; most historians of religion that I am aware of regard Siddhartha Gautama as an historical figure as a matter of course (very few, that I have found, go on a "quest" for the "historical Siddhartha"). One could make the same argument regarding Mohammad, for instance. The exception I have noted is the three Patriarch and Moses, where most will consider the Patriarchs to be highly legendary figures at best (with a great number concluding Isaac never existed at all) and several doubting the existence of a specific Moses (with some suggesting Moses is an amalgamation of figures who were among the exodus group and who's actual identities are now lost to time). So I would disagree that Jesus receives a pass prima facia, particularly considering we have 200 years of serious academic study of Jesus as an historical figure, with interpretations of Jesus' historicity moving as different historical methods gain prominence. It's hard to say that Jesus just "gets a pass". While Prof. Meyers' statement may be hyperbolic, I don't think that hyperbole in itself makes it inaccurate.
Whether Jesus actially existed is not nearly as important as whether someone accepts the teachings that are attributed to him and lives accordingly. A lot of people call themselves Christian but don't live according to his teachings.
oh look it's a no true christian
Christians use some form of "no true Christian" on other Christians all the time.
Whether Jean Luc Picard actually existed is not nearly as important as whether someone accepts the teachings attributed to him and loves accordingly. Many people call themselves sci-fi fans, but only watch Star Wars.....
A true Christian must believe the whole Bible is the Word of God.
Then answer me this: Why did Balaam think his talking donkey was totally normal?
It's actually a serious question that speaks to what is or isn't unmarked fable, myth, legend or metaphor in the Bible.
What on earth are you talking about? If Jesus never existed, there are no "teachings". Christianity would be a lie. There is no Christianity with no Christ.
The picture of Ewan McGregor playing Obi Wan killed me 😂
And yet here you are 🙄
The picture of Ewan McGregor on the mantle as Jesus killed me 😂
Same! 😂
Hello there....
.have you heard the good news?
@@mikenapier3598 Yes. Goodbye.
Taking the "high" ground concept to another level... 😂
he is the master, borderline surrogate father of star wars Jesus.
I worked with a Jesus from Guadalajara. He was an awesome guy, I'm pretty sure they're all real.
I knew an Aquiles (Achilles) in Oaxaca. I had a crush on his girlfriend.
I met a Gabriel at my university years back.
While slightly an oddball, he was pretty solid on the trombone..? Trumpet? Can’t remember. But I know HE was real.
My Jesus got hit by a car one day, deported the next.
My cousin? Yeah he's awesome.
Donald Trump doesn't like them.
Not the Hallow app ad before this video 😅
Richard Carrier makes a pretty good argument against his having existed.
I watched him stump several boomers at one of his presentations. It was cathartic.
@@formalbug5716 well he needs to debate people who know their stuff i guess
@@Verse_John3_16 Most of them refuse to debate him. He won't accept their premise that Jesus definitely existed lalalalalalalalalala.
I had no idea that Jesus looked so much like Obi-Wan Kenobi
The force is with him lol
To be fair, Jesus does look like a Jedi lol
@@darkmyro The joke is on all of us... Ewan McGregor is actually Jesus in His "second-coming". McGregor's most parasocial fans have been worshipping the true God of the universe all along.
his facial features come from the son if a pope called cesare borgia or something like that
He did have the high ground
I love how Simon acknowledges the fact that people find it funny that he runs so many channels and he made a joke about it with AI
When his videos show him with 6 fingers, we will know it’s true!
faxxxxx🎉🎉🎉🎉
thats funny cuz i had no idea he had multiple channels…when i saw the thumbnail i thoyght i was clicking a video by tbe only channel i knew of his-Thoughty 2. tho i assumed there was a Thoughty 1 or just Thoughty, never knew there were more
@@ScratchinAwayhe doesnt run thoughty2 though
I’m still discovering them and I love it
The Dr. Emmitt Brown reference was gold!
I'm a Christian, just wanna say good job on explaining the historicity of Jesus without poking fun at Christians like most would.
Most have been hard not to because Christians are so easy to make fun of.
LOL you also believe in santa and fairies?
@@afjelidfjssafHe just believes in the religion that 1.3 billion people in the world follow, and one of the few major regions that passively accepts its critics. Head on down to your local mosque and compare the prophet Muhammad with Santa, I’m sure they’ll laugh it off and be super chill.
Have a great day. I hope you will be able to find Jesus, God bless man!
@@afjelidfjssafRichard Dawkins, And bart ehrman also believes that Jesus historically existed. What you gonna say about that?
"You talk to God, you’re religious; God talks to you, you’re psychotic.” - House MD
Touche!!! Hahaha
House was a drug addict.
@@GalactusOG So? This quote is still perfect!
@@GalactusOG He was TV character with writers who were probably also on drugs but sober for the most part
@@GalactusOG Ad Hominem: "This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument."
If he did…then he probably didn’t look like Ewan McGregor 🤣
Yes!! That HAS to be a picture of him as Obi-wan!
He looked like Keanu Reeves
May the force, be with the.
Ewan McGregor has the high ground
@@spankflaps1365 he who hath the high ground shall inherit the Earth, and he who doth not shall burn in fire 😂
i want notifications love your stuff so valuable
The neutral, respectful and professional way this was presented is refreshing, thank you
wasn't neutral. he started with the assumption jesus existed and deducted his argument from there.
Not neutral, I'm certain Simon is Christian from this. There are a few inaccuracies that tend toward that bias unfortunately.
Ya there's no neutrality in the mental gymnastics applied here to dance around the complete lack of evidence beyond anecdotes. The logical fallacies on display here are embarrassing....
There is no merit in being neutral about an illusion. He never existed, end of story.
@@TheGuiltsOfUs Yet the servants of the opposer literally adore him openly and publicly and no one challenges them on their belief in his tangible reality.
If Odin didn’t exist, then why aren’t there any frost giants?
They melted one summer when they forgot to migrate back to the cold lands
@@isgamer-8732 They must have been distracted. That sounds like Loki trickery :)
Because global warming has some positive effects.
Exactly.
This guy is asking the right questions.
I heard a documentary about Jesus, which studied the writings of Josephus. It used the idea that there was an effort at the time by the Romans to promote the ideas of Jesus as a man of peace who said things like "render onto Ceasar what is Caesar's". At the time the Judeans were waiting for a Messiah who was a military leader who would lead a revolution to give them freedom. And Jesus ' message of turning the other cheek and feeding the poor fit in with what the Romans wanted, at least as to how they wanted in Judea. But later the religion was carried on and spread through the Empire and the Romans then came out against it.
Josephus is not an independent first hand witness! He never met Jesus, thus no credibility as 'proof or evidence'!
No historian mentions Jesus Apostles miracles from any historical record from that era.
Josephus and Tactius were born long After Jesus died.
Not one mention.
I absolutely love how y'all kept using a picture of Obi-Wan.
Ewan McGregor would be proud
I mean, that is close to a lot of the paintings of jesus in churches... which is insane.
That was definitly Obiwan. Do you think that was intentional?
Came here to say exactly that lol
Hello there.
Love the Ewan McGregor as Ben Kenobi as Jesus photo in the lead intro, lol.
MANY unsuspecting grandmothers bought pictures of him and thought it was a Jesus portrait.
@@BFKAnthony817 Both my aunts have his picture up on the wall as Jesus. I asked one about it and she winked at me. I think they just like looking at Ewan, honestly.
I mean, have you ever seen them in the same room together?
I would like him to do the same to Mohamed.
Which is ironic considering Ewan McGregor actually did play Jesus in a movie.
“Those who deny that Jesus exusted are like those whi deny climate change”
Well many people who believe in Jesus deny climate change
"Also im a kickassdancer" caught me by surprise 😂😂
And some say the cult of dancercise he founded has not been extinguished to this day.
As jesus said, "only a sith deals in absolutes"
If god came down to earth we would absolutely know it - no doubt. But he didn't...
he also said "even the smallest person can change the course of the history"
So maybe he suffered from dwarfism? Just asking questions here
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 dude that was hilarious!
It’s 3:30 am and I’m laughing so hard now bc of this comment 😂
@@lunarmodule6419 Really? How do YOU know? Did you even bother to read the New Testament? And if you ever did, would you lean on your own interpretation?
I'm an atheist, but I also went to a Bible college and studied the original Greek and Hebrew. Super fascinating, and while I may not believe in a deity the evidence that Jesus was an actual human is impossible to ignore. Thanks for the incredibly well researched video!
What are you considering evidence? I've read plenty of conjecture, but not seen any evidence.
I've noticed the common theme with a lot of Atheist is they all believed until they studied the scriptures.
Yeah, I find it weird that people say Jesus didn't exist when there's literally a whole religion based on him.
Like, there has to be a dude that inspired his followers which eventually created the religion.
The question should be whether he did supernatural stuff, not whether he existed or not.
@@safs3098 Nah, religions can start without someone to inspire them.
@Benja Lucian but almost all religions we've got actual data on started with a charismatic leader, I can't even think of one where a group of people decided to create one around someone else.
We've got proof that people in ancient times would embellish historical figures with made up stories, like Alexander the Great being the son of Zeus, or do you also believe Alexander didn't exist?
We also got proof that cults form around charismatic leaders and the followers start to believe in his divinity, even in the 21th century this stuff happens.
So if we go by the scientific method, the most likely hypothesis that science supports would the existence of Jesus as a cult leader that had stories made up about him by his followers later down the line to make him seem greater, all historical evidence regarding religions supports this hypothesis.
So are you a man of science or faith? Because right now you're the one that believes he didn't exist.
I half expected an audio treatise on the impossibility of the existence of Jesus, but this was treated with a lot of reverence for people [a.k.a. the writer(s)] who, statistically, probably don’t believe in God, Jesus, or Christianity. Thank you for giving this a proper amount of research and not trying to quote ignorant stuff like ‘Holy Blood/Holy Grail’, a la “Zeitgeist: the Movie”…
just because new york is a real place does not mean spiderman exists, people say but the bible is like saying about spiderman, but the comic
Pontius Pilate may have existed, but it's extremely unlikely that he ever said he would welease wodger.....
"He has a sister, you know. Inconnintia. Inconnintia Buttocks."
But what about Wodewick?
Islam is the religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus,
We Muslims 100% Believes in Jesus,
We Muslims Believes that Jesus is the Christ,
We Muslims Believes that Jesus will Come Again to this World,
Jesus did Miracles by the Permission of Allah,
Jesus himself Never said “Im God” also Never he said anyone to “Worship Me”
Jesus was Just a Prophet and Messenger Of Allah Only to Guide The People of Israel,
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*Jesus Denies Being God* | Read ⬇️
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"My Father is greater than me." [John 14:28]
“I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to My God and your God.” [John 20:17]
“Jesus said: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” [Mark 12:29]
“Jesus, Fell with his face to the ground and Prayed.” [Matthew 26:39]
“Jesus said, “My teaching is not my own,
It comes from the one who has sent me.”
[John 7:16]
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father who has sent me." [John 5:30]
“The crowd answered, This is Jesus, the Prophet.” [Matthew 21:10-11]
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*The Coming Of Prophet Muhammad In Bible*
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“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When he the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come, He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” [John 16:12-14]
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*Allah Clears About Jesus*
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[Quran:- 5:72]:-
“Jesus has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord."
[Quran:- 19:30]:-
“Jesus has said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet.”
[Quran:- 4:171]:-
“Christ Jesus the son of Mary was no more than a messenger of Allah, So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah:
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@@HasanUnknown
"Islam is the religion who makes us to Believe in Jesus, "
So Christianity as a religion does not make one believe in Jesus? Your use of the word "the" as opposed to the word "a" means Islam is the only religion that makes one believe in Jesus.
Still, yes if Jesus never existed this is solid evidence that both Christianity and Islam are false. Both Christianity and Islam claiming he did.
Biggus ...
One thing I thought might have got a mention… He was most likely called Joshua (well, Yeshua) which was then transliterated into Greek as Iesus (or something similar) then romanised into Jesus.
Yup. My Lord and Savior...Josh. 😄
@@kenziedayne4234 Josh is awesome
Iesus was the Koine Greek translation of Yeshua. Since the New Testament was written in Koine Greek, this change would make sense. It also explains how and why some names were changed due to translation: Matthew's Hebrew name was Levi, for instance.
I grew up in a catholic family- went to church every Sunday, got baptized and did all the things all the way through confirmation. Not once in my life did I ever hear of "Yeshua", and other variations, until maybe a couple years ago. Im very confused about this.
I no longer buy into the Catholic religion and don't go to church anymore... I won't get into it but it still sort of irks me how I never heard this name before and all of the sudden, I see it everywhere. Same with Yahweh.... why are there so many variations of his name? To me, that seems very odd. I feel like I stumbled into an alternate timeline tbh.
@@unicornkitteh5332 More people are reaching higher levels of education. Every day people are gaining the ability to study the evidence and learn the facts, compared to just being in control of a select few in the past. As a result more and more translations and evidence will likely be found for all sorts of things. :)
The Tacitus quote has been clearly shown to be a Christian interpolation.
I think I should take a nap and try to watch this again
I feel confident in saying that if I had you as my teacher growing up, u could’ve avoided a lifetime of ADHD medication. But as it were, I constantly have to rewind your videos for missed information because I get so distracted at how cartoonishly fluid and effortless and natural your lectures are. And I don’t mind it at all. Man am I glad that I found this channel.
Watch at 3/4 speed. Easier to pick up everything… and quite interestingly, at times he sounds like a southerner (US) at that speed lol!
@@joeterp5615 ha ha! That is a hilarious observation. I live here in Texas, born and raised, and I will definitely test your recommendation.
@@thetruebatman4632 He is one of the fastest talking RUclipsrs out here, so if you like a more chill southern pace, you’ll enjoy the slower play back. Of course, it could also be said that he sounds just a little drunk at the slower speed lol! I grew up in Maryland… but my Dad’s from SC, and I’ve always been partial to the south myself.
Came here to say that I have to watch at 3/4 the speed and sometimes playback at 1/2 speed just to be absolutely sure of certain words, lol. He still sounds british to me at every speed, not detecting the southern american accent at all😂
I read the comments while watching
I'm reminded of a question regarding the death penalty that was in primary school. I argued that the death penalty needed to exist, but I didn't have any strong evidence for being sure enough to apply the death penalty, because I'd watched far too many shows where people had gotten the evidence wrong. Honour thy father and thy mother needs to be translated as 'Do not piss your mother and father off, because they are your only references to your good character, and will kill you and ruin your reputation if they are of a mind to'. This is good practice from here to later life, and any public speaker needs to keep this in mind, bearing in mind the example of Jesus.
You had me until you said Josephus is the strongest evidence - that would be classified as hearsay in any court.
I think the important point here is not whether he existed, but whether the stories about him are true. As you said, the name was fairly common, and given the political situation the existence of a rebellious preacher is not an extraordinary claim. But if he couldn't heal the sick with a touch and a prayer, multiply a picnic basket to feed a mob, and recover from being tortured to death, then the biblical character is still a fiction. Those are the claims that demand more rigorous examination.
Exactly! If there was a carpenter son walking around in Palestine (with or without a some followers) talking about the end of the world, who cares! All the commonly quoted stories are obviously not historically correct.
If he brought them into a new religion that promised everlasting life instead of a religion that taught death was the end then he figuratively raised them from the dead. It's a similar theme to "amazing grace","was blind but now I see" etc
Actually, Jesus's historicity is a main point. That's the reason of this video, to start with. Most critiques of Christianity start with the understanding that everything miraculous the gospels say is ""obviously"" fictitious, therefore the guy didn't exist. Your position goes right by that alley. How could we possibly prove that anything supernatural the gospels say actually happened? We can't, therefore the guy didn't exist.
But, proving the historicity of the guy poses the most interesting questions. Why his contemporaries, people who met and followed him, were willing to tell everyone that the guy did these and those things - to the point of getting executed because they didn't stop telling those things? (Yep, most apostles and many disciples were killed for their activities).
And that's the good question. We cannot travel in time to witness what Jesus actually did, but we can read the historical accounts of Christianity's development to know what people who knew him believed. Ever heard of Patristics?
You can answer this question with secular scholarship. There are a few writings about Jesus-Josephus being one-that say Jesus did do miracles by demon magic, or some sort of black magic. Paul can be counted as a skeptic as well, seeing as he was first a Romanized Jew who killed Christians. Basically, you take writings from people who were not fans of the person you are trying to learn about to learn the truth. Some wrote about miracles. Some wrote about a resurrection. The point is the claims the Bible makes are made much more probable by its enemies. No other person in history has been written about like Jesus was.
There have been plenty of historical figures willing to martyr themselves for a cause, whether it be a righteous rebellion or a personal psychosis. The fact that this one particular cult lingered long enough to become powerful doesn't make one martyr special.
Historians can accept the existence of a man as true based on records of the time because that's not unusual, a rebellious preacher being murder for his beliefs is a thing that has happened many times, and in no way violates our understanding of the universe. Magic spells are something entirely different, they make the story fictional - unless you want to claim the story is true, in which case you need to prove the magic is at least possible.
"He's not the Messiah, He's a very naughty boy !" - Brian's mum.
"Piss off!" - Also Brian's mum
Monty Python is God.
@@tthings6686 LOL
@@danielshannon6027 Have you seen: Not the Nine O'Clock News - Monty Pythons worshipers on RUclips ?
British """humor"""
Hey dude, this sounds like a wonderful opportunity to set up a debate with richard carrier and bart ehrman (sp?--sorry im multitasking and cant research or spellcheck rn, best wishes all)
@26:15 "I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates when he said...I drank what?" -Chris Knight, philosohper
I love that Simon has finally acknowledged that he could very well be an AI image
Scary to think we are in times where we question this
@Gmail Account AI is creating more and more content online and becoming realistic enough to fool most people. there is no good outcome to this except to fight against it. I have no idea how that's supposed to be done though .
Lol😅
If Simon is AI, he's a big improvement over Max Headroom.
@Fred Webster Jr different levels of shit, is still shit. how does this guy get people to get he's intelligent?
I didn't know Simon held Ewan MacGregor's portrayal of Obi-Wan Kenobi in such high regard.
😂
Magnificent, aren't they?
It wouldn't have been "Jesus" but something closer to "Joshua" before the Greeks and Romans stepped in.
0:12 they want to be righteous but they worship a Zombie-Jesus
SWEET ZOMBIE JESUS!
I've never seen Jesus or Obi-Wan Kenobi in the same room together. Coincidence? I think not
I think you’re on to something 🤔
Have you ever seen Obi-Wan at all. If you have i doubt your existence.
Wait 😮
@@leemacpeek2698 I have, I spoke to him. He was really interested in weird al song parody of America pie, the saga begins.
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I struggle with the fact that, the disciples were, supposedly, fishermen yet come across as well learned. Writing wasn’t exactly a requirement for a fisherman in those days. In fact, reading and writing were highly specialised skills 2000 years ago.
That is why not all the disciples have a Gospel of Jesus. Only 2 direct disciples have a Gospel, Mathew and John. Mathew was a tax collector, so can be presumed that he knows how to write. I’m not sure abt John, will have to research.
@@sanjuthomassabu
You do understand that the gospels were originally completely unattributed, and the attribution was slapped onto them much, much later? There's literally _zero_ evidence that the text was written by their alleged "authors". The author names were added significantly later, with zero evidence.
This isn't some kind of wild hypothesis. It's very well known and accepted by scholars and, I believe, even most major churches (such as the Catholic one).
As for the story itself, the most believable hypothesis is that the gospels originate from one or two original texts, from an unknown author or authors, which in itself was likely to be just a written version of an orally spread story. They are simply four different variants of that original text, which have survived. This kind of rewriting of a story by multiple authors was common in those times, especially if the story was known via oral tradition.
They did not write it . They were written in their name.
@@MP-wt9kz
No, the "author" names were slapped onto those texts much, much later. They weren't written in anybody's name.
@@MP-wt9kz they are anonymous. not one word in any of the gospels claims to have actually seen anything. It's amazing that 2 billion christians have never read their fg book.
"How the hell does he have all those RUclips channels?" 😂😂😂
What? It's only 12 channels 😅
Scarily close to omni-presence! 😂
He only reads the scripts on camera and runs the business. Other people edit and write.
There are 11 different Simons from 11 parallel universes. I thought it was obvious. You can tell the huge personality difference between "Today I found Out" Simon and "Business Blaze" Simon.
He's an Ai ..😏👍
I don't trust anyone who says they know for a fact what happened that long ago I don't even want to hear the reasoning
Then why should anyone listen to you since you can't even prove you existed five minutes ago....
Just found another Simon channel lol makes like 5-6 I’m subscribed to now . 😂😅
Although I am now an Atheist, I was once a devout Christian and earned a master's degree in Christian Apologetics from a Baptist Seminary where I studied this topic extensively from both sides. I say all that to preface that this is EXTREMELY well researched and representative of the academic consensus on the existence of Jesus. Although I no longer believe in Christianity, I find it utterly appalling that I have to defend the existence of the historical figure of Jesus to other atheists who oppose it like it's some sort of evidence for the faith. The existence of Jesus does just as much to prove Christianity as the existence of Muhammad proves Islam or the existence of Barbara Streisand proves Judaism. Thank you for presenting a fair video on the topic that represents the historical data and academic consensus over the contemporary dribble of ignorant, reactionary atheists scared of the existence of a man who has been dead for two millenia.
Which parts of the NT are historical?
Why would atheists be scared of a guy who never existed?
@@flipflopski2951 that's a long question to answer, but in short there are a few areas that really have historical relevance although not necessarily in the way Christians would hope for. I'm throwing this together off the top of my head so I may forget something to add in here. To give a quick(ish) answer, the four gospels can give us some basic information about Jesus that are accepted pretty much across the board by scholars: he was a first century Palestinian Jew who had disciples, he was killed by the Romans by crucifixion, etc. Its not necessarily that these were written by the people they are attributed to or close enough to the time of Jesus, but they seem to have common source materials that are lost to us today (referred to as "Q") that are much earlier.
We find some historically relevant information in the Acts of the Apostles, but much of the text is drawn into question not only for its miraculous nature, but also for the fact it often differs with the letters Paul wrote on the same events it describes. As for Paul, he was a historical figure and did write a good chunk of the letters the Bible attributes to him. From those we can get early insight about early Christian beliefs (at least Paul's version), some historical framework of his time and life, and some of the challenges facing the Chriatian religion in its early years.
That's a very basic survey if it. There are some great resources to dig deeper into these topics from some of the sources mentioned in this video. Dr. Bart Ehrman (who is a former Christian, now agnostic himself) has written a lot on both academic and more popular levels on some of these topics, and I would highly recommend his books to anyone wanting an accessible introduction to the historical Jesus and New Testament studies from a leading scholar.
@@flipflopski2951 and one other note, my answer assumed you meant historically representative of the events surrounding the life of Jesus and other events the Bible claims to portray. Technically all of the the texts give us "historical" information as they give us insights into the beliefs of Christian authors (some of whom wrote much later) about their beliefs, myths, and traditions. Many of these may not historical in the sense of being events that actually happened in history, but all of them are relevant for study. Take for example the writer of the Apocalypse of John. It may not have much value to studying the history of any events it discusses as it is heavily encoded with symbolism and apocalyptic language, but it can be studied as a historical example of reasonably early Christian apocalyptic literature. So, all of it has something to discover, just not often something to discover about the actual, historical person of Jesus.
Yeah it's weird. Especially since the existence of Jesus is virtually irrelevant to the idea of whether a god exists or not. If Jesus was a real person then he was just another human like everyone else, him being real doesn't automatically mean he was the son of god.
It would be fun to see videos like this on other major religious figures. Especially from religions that weren't common in Europe. In America, at least where I was, history classes growing up had woefully incomplete coverage of anything that wasn't Europe. Especially anything related to religions, outside of when they came into existence.
Yeah right, like anyone would do Mohammad.
I don't know that would be particularly interesting. Most other religious leaders were just people, while Jesus was supposed to be a magical god. And of course even if you had excellent evidence of particular religious figures, and that the stories referred to a particular person, you'd then need to find evidence of the actual miracles that they performed, which is unlikely if you're even questioning their existence. Especially since we have copious evidence of living people today capable of doing all kinds of religious miracles in front of thousands or millions of people who nevertheless are seen as fraudsters.
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@@kain0067 The historical proof that Muhammad existed is undeniable. The difference is Jesus died just another Jewish peasant with a small fan base where Muhammad had a nation of people following him at the end. He was huge political force.
@@kain0067 Personally I'm curious if the M from the beginning is the same person as the M in the end.
More importantly, for the Monty Python fans, did Brian actually exist.
"I'm brian, and so is my wife"
Jesus was a Jedi Master. That explains a lot.
So my Grandma was a Catholic Catholic, Church and Bible study twice a week. But I would always ask her questions about God and religion. And one day I came to the conclusion that Mother Mary (Jesus Mom) was probably just a young girl who probably just got knocked up and didn't know who the dad was or was ashamed of it happening. So I ask my Grandma and she was like, "yeah I could see that happening you can believe what you like. Just live a good life and treat others with kindness is all God asks of you." She would study the Bible but would always say "men wrote this not God."
RiP RiP Granny...
I think it’s easier for a person that strives for knowledge to be a Christian or have faith once we realize the Bible is not inerrant. My mom believes in god and a higher power, but does look at the Bible critically for what it is. A collection of books written by men, not god.
You are not the first person to explain it in that inappropiate way in 2000 years, you know? The issue is that the blessed Virgin Mary was a Jew. Jews think their God is a God infinitely above humans. He is no Zeus mingling with mortals. Also they had a very low tolerance for blasphemy. Even saying the name of God out loud is a big no-no for them. Blasphemy was punished by public stoning. If Mary had come to any fellow Jew, trying to suggest she got knocked up by their all mighty God, we would have no Jesus because she would have got stoned to death on the spot.
@@Bicicletasaladas the story says that she did almost get stoned, Joseph saved her by claiming the child is his. If she wasn't at risk of getting stoned he probably wouldn't have forgiven the infidelity, they were engaged after all. Supposedly they moved because sex before marriage was frowned upon too.
So did you lead a good life and treat others with kindness as granny said....as God wanted?
You had a very good Granny! That’s a good foundation.
I'm so used to watching Brain Blaze that I forgot how calm and scary Simon can be when he's not all fired up from torturing Danny and Sam in his basement. Allegedly.
Cocaine
Regardless if Jesus existed or not I think that "Life of Brian" depicted what happened more accurately than the bible itself.
I was watching a video about some roman historical documents that mentioned Jesus during the same time the Scriptures mentioned Him.
Could that be coincidence?
There is no eyewitness testimony (other than the lies in the bible) about Jesus.
Please tell me you guys were intentionally trolling us with a picture of Obiwan for 30 seconds. lol XD
April fools
I laughed out loud in the quiet break room at work just now.
Obiwan is jesus
I was thinking the same thing, is that Ben Kenobi😂
oh thank god you saw it too i thought i was losing it
Good to see that some people actually swiped past all the religious talk and went on the search for hard evidence.
I have seen David Blaine replicate most of the "miracles" Jesus is claimed to have done, so my conclusion is that he was just a street magician fooling gullible people. It still works today.
That's pretty much the entire world of new testament historical scholarship, at least from accredited universities like prinsten. Definitely worth reading up on it if you find this kind of discussion interesting
RUclips isn’t hard evidence
having found such hard evidence is then proof that backs up the validity of that "religious talk"
@@letsgobrandon1906 he meant the scholars and academic sources mentioned in the video... Jesus Christ, learn to infer.
Pretty sure I spotted Simon in Bristol Parkway station car park once, did that thing where you recognise someone but at the time can't be sure who they are and why.
Why everyone spamming and writing same comments, stop doing trash comments dudes wtf
The photo of Obi-wan as Jesus, reminds me of that one time a woman thought she has a small statue of buddha turns out to be shrek, she has been praying to it for a long time.
Except unlike Buddism, Christianity never magically had it's texts show up 600 years after the person.
A meme within a meme. That was the original joke: someone’s grandma had a Star Wars portrait as “Jesus”.
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"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." -Upton Sinclair
It's wild.. We have lived in this academic dark age with the Vatican controlling information for over a thousand years... Academies would actively discourage people from even questioning by taking away their jobs..
Dude then sits here with "well.. Academia says.." basically over and over as if appealing to authority isn't a logical fallacy.
Excellent quote, I wonder what the context was
This applies to popular atheist speakers who try to disprove god
@@ragnarok67 You are the one making the claim it exists, it's on you to bring forth the evidence. Make sure you use citations. Other than that, I agree with your statement.
@@tianna1116 Pretty sure they are alluding to the current scholarly consensus. Their paychecks depend on saying Jesus was historical even with the complete lack of evidence. All they have really is the New Testament and it has some serious issues. The biggest one being from the start it is arguing for and describing a supernatural being doing supernatural things, not a regular person doing regular things for his time. When you throw out all the supernatural stuff about Jesus in the NT your left with basically nothing. How do you rationally extrapolate a real person from that?
Omg you're wrong for the Ewan McGregor picture lol
Don't know much exceot that Jesus saved but Beckham scored on the rebound. ⚽️
"Strike me down, and I shall become far more powerful than you can possibly imagine!"
- Jesus Christ 😂
Still has to cheat at wrestling and can't beat iron chariots.
It's funny. When I was a kid I saw Star Wars with my Dad. He was a very pious man and disliked even the depiction of Jesus in film thinking it as blasphemous. Yet he felt the religious zing of Star Wars and was impressed by it.
Lol but who
Is Darth????
And the Lord said unto Luke; Obi Wan never told you what happened to your father….
@@dustintacohands1107 The chosen one!
Given that he's been in more RUclips content than anyone could watch in an entire lifetime, I'm not sure Simon Whistler exists.
Im sure he doesn't know what he is talking about in half of this videos.
@@misiu9049that's the point. He has a team of writers and he reads the scripts.
He's the face of several channels because of his voice and his delivery.
But that's like saying "I bet Alex Trebek didn't even know the answers to all the questions on Jeopardy"
It's not Alex's job to know! It's his job to host
@@TheDancerMacabre That is why I don't like this channels.
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@@misiu9049he will literally say that it’s in his eyes out his mouth and normally not thought of again. It’s the point of a team of writers🤦🏻♀️
Me and Jesus just got done playing suicide squad kill the justice league
Worst game we’ve played
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You wouldn’t make up a weak messiah? You would if He didn’t immediately win out against his enemies and you were forced to put off the so called “Final Battle”.
This comment section:
0.01% - Angry comments
99.99% - "Ohhhh these comments so spicy 🌶🔥"
Nah 99.99% are about Obi-Wan
Literally nobody has commented that 😂😭🤣
Very nice that Christians usually don't worry about getting offended about such a subject. Let's do one on Mohammed. Go Simon!
Lol.....yeah sure 👍
Obviously you are around a very different set of Christians than I am, they are not one homogeneous group.
Speaking as a Christian who was fascinated by this, I know dozens who would be incensed. I know more Muslims who wouldn't be offended.
@@d4mdcykey I mean, some do. But a lot less wear a C4 jacket over it. They tend to stick to verbal explosions.
That will never happen as Simon is not a courageous person.
Hi Simon, I wish that you could get out of the habit of letting your voice drop and go quiet at various points, it is sometimes intelligible, especially for one with a minor hearing problem. I'm leaving at 11:30 as it is quite difficult to follow your arguments, i'm off to view another on the same subject.
This is the same channel that glamorizes the old USSR.
Funny, how “older” religions like Greece, Rome, or Egypt are now myths.
Not really
Believing in those religions is closer to being an atheist than a Christian, since the gods are basically just humans with powers
@@jollyface5986 Isn't that Jesus? Human mother, god father, human with powers?
You clearly don’t know what a myth is
That's probably a big part of why they're myths, they're older. It takes a long time for a religion to branch and evolve into something new, or die off. Christianity is very young, and even "modern" Judaism is one of the later ones, give it 10,000 years, and people will take about Jesus the same way they talk about Marduk or Ra.
Whether a person named Clark Kent ever existed is rather mundane, unless you can demonstrate he was bullet proof and could fly.
Of course you won't be able to prove that, what would be the POINT of his assuming the second persona, if he ever let any evidence be discovered of the first?. Given that no one EVER has turned up evidence, you would be wise not to notice anything . . . it might lead to "accidents" that were accompanied with corresponding Kent "alibis".
"Whether a person named Clark Kent ever existed is rather mundane unless you can demonstrate he was bullet proof and could fly."
Yes, it is mundane and it separate.
You can't say "it is impossible for men to be bullet proof and fly.....and therefore there was no such man."
The second doesn't follow from the first logically.
That some think Jesus was God Incarnate has no bearing on whether he existed as a man.
The thing is, in the case of Jesus, his existence is far from mundane. He still garnered an impressive following and sparked a major world religion. It doesn't really matter if he had supernatural abilities, he's still an intriguing figure.
@@neutrino78x . . . You LITERALLY can say "It is impossible for men to be bulletproof or fly unaided by technology, THEREFORE there was no such man" because it ABSOLUTELY follows that there was no such man as a bullet-proof flying man.
@@peterlewis2178 You don't understand the word mundane. It doesn't mean "Not effective" or "not famous" or "Not intriguing".
It means OF THE WORLD, that is what it means. Of the world means "Is not supernatural or metaphysical".
His existence, religious following and all, is and was PERFECTLY mundane . . . because there is NOTHING in all of existence, that is supernatural.
Every. Single. Thing. is NATURAL and explicable by Science.
The Mythicists have alternative, respectable, interpretations
Also reza aslan wrote extensively about the characteristics of the several jesus-es that were notable rebels during that time
Simon, I want you to know that in less than 28 minutes, you have caused me to open my mind to a topic I had previously passed judgement upon. I learned more about this topic in 30 minutes than I have in 30 years.
The question remaining, how has this affected your past judgement?
Ive been atheist most my life. Recently Ive found some solace in faith, but I believe the faith Ive found and the religion that often follows it is going to be full of individuals I do not have faith in. Theyre of questionable ethics and If I want to continue down this route, Ill have to work to either change them or Id have to wait for divine judgement. Not sure if Im willling to wait for that.
@@anwaraisling My previous judgement, based on articles I read 15-ish years ago, was that Jesus was either not a historical figure or that there was no evidence that anyone believed him to be the messiah during his lifetime. Articles I read at the time suggested that the first written evidence of Christianity occurred about a century later. Simon’s video seemed to blow that out of the water.
You haven't looked into much I can see.
@@XDex91 Check this out....
The Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son,
and shall call his name Immanuel ('God with us')
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father,
The Prince of Peace.
He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
These verses are from the book of Isaiah the prophet and were written 700 years
before Jesus was born. Who is he talking about?
Keep looking Dex. There's a treasure waiting for you at the end.
'Ask, seek, knock'
I wish I could have Simon Whistler as a dinner party entertainer holding a scotch and cigar talking about everything from all his videos while we all are enchanted by his suave explanations from his Mega Projects about a WW2 aircraft all the way to Harley Davidson microculture. I don’t know if he’s actually made a video about that, but I would watch it. My wife would complain about this dinner party because her husband would be giving more of his undivided attention to his favorite RUclipsr more than his wife.
You... so realise he reads from a script right? I believe he doesn't even write the script by himself either. He's the presenter of the channel.
Don't get me wrong he's certainly nice to listen to. But I doubt you'd get similar expositions if he had to just go from memory and ad lib it. ^^;
So. I'll set him up a teleprompter.
There is barely any bad evidence. Hearsay is all they have at best.
I believe jesus was a real beautiful soul that walked the earth and we can all learn from. I also like to think about his sense of humor. I picture him sitting and talking to the apostles saying.."LoL. Yall write this about me and see what people say."
It‘s not to be questioned if Kim Jong-Il ever existed.
It‘s to be questioned if he really hit 11 hole-in-ones on a 18-hole golf course, the very first time he played golf.
What it not 18 holes in one.?
@@lockydude007
"Kim shot 38 under, including 11 holes-in-one, at the 7,700-yard championship course at Pyongyang in the VERY FIRST golf round of his life, according to North Korean state media. "
ESPN. 😃
Exactly.
Actually not exactly, because Christians (mainstream ones, not Trump followers) don't actually believe that stuff happened literally as stated either, man.
The point is not Jesus walking on water, it's that if you have self confidence, and knowledge and fortitude, the human spirit can triumph over hard times.
this is outrageous because the great leader would never only get 11 hole's in one
@neutrino78x no, that's not the point. You're just an idiot
"Short answer "Yes" with an "if", Long answer "No" with a "but" " - Rev Lovejoy
This is not the first time this has been asked. I first heard it asked 24 years ago. And it was presented in a book with hundreds of footnotes. The answer is no.
@2:20 - If that's the rubric being used (referring to the total lack of evidence that some shmo existed)... wrong... we would not have to conclude that no-one existed bla bla bla.... the rational conclusion is that 'we do not have sufficient reason to believe that xxx person existed'. stating that the 'lack of evidence' is 'what you would expect for some random street preacher in 1st century judea' is fine; but that cannot be considered 'evidence' that he did in fact exist: because we would expect the exact same lack of evidence to exist for someone that didn't exist at all.
This was VERY well done, and respectfully done! Thank you, Simon and Co.!
persinallu dizagree
Respect for mad ideas is the end-state of madness.
@@davidarchibald50 let me guess, you think christianity set science back and is somehow responsible for wars correct?
@@davidarchibald50 Totally. I don't understand why we have to tip toe around adults who believe in mythology so much they want to take away other people's rights.
This reminds me of Life of Brain where they thought Brain was the messiah
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
He's not the Messiah! he's a very naughty boy!
Brain ? No the messiah was Pinky in that Movie NARF!
Wait, he wasn’t? That wasn’t a documentary?
Crap.
Blessed are the cheesemakers!
I’m not sure Josephus is a reliable source being that he also wrote of the existence of giants
Yes, let us all worship Obi-wan Kenobi of Nazareth.
Better than the actual one
And the padawans shall inherit the earth.
Well hello there😂