Playing Records at the WRONG SPEEDS?
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45rpm records on 33 1/3 = Vaporwave!
93SHADoW haha
And THAT...was how the genre was born 🙏🏻
And that's how I adopted the "VHS Theme" which is a PITA to do (and I use a Panasonic VCR for this).
I need to make a new pulley on my Dual 1009 so it can do 16 2/3 again.
Now that I mention it, should I dare upload a video of me playing a Chipmunks LP at 16 2/3?
i use 78 on 33 as fast forward
THE DEMON GAMER I try to do that with 45 RPM, but it doesn’t work as well. My turntable doesn’t have 78.
Me to
THE DEMON GAMER same
I use mine at 78 and use the pitch control to speed it to 90rpm it sound hilarious
just put the needle at the gap between songs...
Used to do this all the time as a kid lol
I mean, who didn't?!
i was always scared as a kid, that it destroys the record, so i never did 😂
I do it all the time...is that bad?! I haven’t watched the vid yet. 😂
I did it all the time. Now I just run an Mp3 file through Audacity (LOL)
Back in the day I used to play records at half speed to learn guitar parts, I had this ancient Philips deck which could play 16 rpm talking books which was really useful.
There were special government issued machines for the blind that played 8rpm records too.
I have always delighted in playing records on the wrong speed, rolling on the floor and laughing until my sides need a break.
Funny story comes to mind... I remember a friend way back in high school loaned me a cassette dub he had of the Star Wars soundtrack LP from 1977. When I put it in my player it was obvious it had been dubbed at 45rpm to the cassette! I then borrowed the LP itself and made another proper dub with my mom's stereo.
Used to happen a lot back in the day when radio played vinyl. They would occasionally get the wrong speed
"Either he's playing classical music at 78 RPM, or I'm still dreaming."
-Calvin's mom, from Calvin and Hobbes
I know Calvin and Hobbes but in what comic did she say that?
Many years ago, my mom, who grew up with a phonograph that only played at one speed (possibly 78 RPM), often played records at the wrong speed. I'd often tell her, "Mom, that record plays at another speed!" I even experiment with the speed with reel-to-reel tapes, especially if I don't know (or I happen to forget) the native speed, as you call it, for said tapes.
I play Justin Bieber as fast as I can to make the pitch so high to annoy the bats with it while I am happy because I can't hear that crap. Also I use extremely high speeds to shatter his albums.
😂
good idea.
Oh, you don't like Justin Bieber, what a unique opinion. I've never heard that one before.
Maybe not buy his albums and move out of your cave.
Then both your JB and bat problems are gone.
kjell159 it’s a joke ;-;
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Thank you so much for making these vids. I bought a 78 a few months ago, and if it weren't for your vids I would have played it on my b&o cartridge.
My mum always said playing records at the wrong speed would wreck my player but I never believed it. All that would happen is that the stylus would read the sound data at a different speed and the sound would change accordingly. Thanks for proving a very important point.
I think playing a 33 1/3 at 78 *might* damage some of the higher pitch recordings slightly, since the stylus is whizzing through the grooves at more than twice the design speed. However, one use of speed changing is when converting records to mp3. You can play records faster, and then use software to convert the recording to the right speed afterwards, provided your sample rate is high enough. That means you can get more records 'done' quickly. Also, if you have 78s but no 78 speed on your turntable you can play them at 45 and then use the software to speed them up to the right speed. BUT you still need to use a 78 stylus as the grooves are larger.
Timothycan I have done that! We had 78's on hand that we wanted to see what was on them, so we played them as 33's, then speed corrected them in Audacity and bam! It worked perfectly.
By playing 45 rpm vinyl at 33 rpm +8% pitch in the late 80's, an new music genre was born in the Belgian Disco's, called New Beat. A great example is the track A split second - Flesh. It gave it a new dimension, slightly heavier bass etc.
I would consider New Beat to be the label, R&S Records. Great stuff...
Thank you so much, I've been trying to look this up but I couldn't ever get an answer, I wanted to know if it would damage them.
Interesting video as always.
Well, when I was a kid, playing around with record speeds was a great source of entertainment, and when I once listened to an old opera soprano 78 rpm record at 16 2/3 rpm I wondered if that is how elephants sound when they mate.
Anyway, when I was young in the 1980s I once was asked to tape a 45 rpm 12” single with Kraftwerk's ”Tour de France” for a friend who was into dancing to such music. I was not that familiar with Kraftwerk back then and I was not that aware of 12” singles either, so I taped it at 33 1/3 rpm for him … he complained about the weird sound and I had to redo it of course.
Some years ago I found Walter Carlos album of music from Clockwork Orange and I listened to it but I thought that Walter/Wendy was playing the classical music on his/her moog synthesizer even faster than usual … it was not until I had played the whole side A when I realised that I had played the record at 45 rpm. As you mention in the video, with electronic music, you may not always realise immediately when the speed is off.
Cheers! Björn.
The Grado 78E is a great all-round 78 rpm cartridge. The Nagaoka MP-series has a complete range of plug-in styli: 1.0 mil for mono LP's and 45's, and 2.5, 3.0, and 4.0 mil for newer vs. older/more worn 78's.
I played my 45 of Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells the theme from the excorsist and played it at 33 man it sounded creepy. I have a tape player with adjustable recording speed and I play tapes at different speeds. TB sounded so different at my slowest speed. Love it
Thank you so much! Helped a lot.
Honestly I love playing records at the wrong speed you can make speed metal sound like Stoner metal and you can make super fast Ska music sound like reggae definitely works best with stuff without vocals but it's still a lot of fun
Simple to understand and to the point, awesome
I like to play my tame impala 45's at 33 1/3, especially "powerlines" and "list of people to try to forget about". I feel like the slow version is a secret bonus song you only get to hear if you have it on a 45. I actually only discovered it by forgetting to change the speed to 45, but I liked the song that way and every once in a while that's how I want to hear it.
I have about 500 shellac jazz recordings. I use Ortofon Mono on a dedicated TT in addition to my stereo table.
My mom always told me it would ruin the records because she didn't like the sound of it, this is the first time I've realized this LOL
Well, we already know what happens when ya play ‘em at 20,000 rpms....
I use at 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000rpm :)
300DBenz zoop! *please place new record on turntable*
As someone who recently started collecting records, I actually experiment with the different speeds from time to time, and I find that _A Taste of Honey_ by the Mexicali Brass band sounds better at 45 than 33, since the music sounds much more lively and upbeat. I also use the 78 setting to brush my records by just holding the brush in place while the record spins.
I use to love playing records at the wrong speed when i was a kid. Playing albums at 45, and singles at 33. As an adult now tho, im not keen on listening to singles at 33 anymore, but songs i really like from albums, i like playing at 45 and recording a copy of it.
Will you ever make more cassete vids? These vids are what got me into your channal and vinyl!
Amen, I've been wondering on this topic for the longest, this is why I'm subscribed
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Well explained! Thank you 😊
Nash the Slash put out his "Decomposing" EP in 1981 which was intended to be played at all 3 speeds.
Down on the Corner - Creedence Clearwater Revival
On many cartridges, you can simply swap the stylus with the 78 version instead of using a totally separate cartridge for 78s.
You have my curiosity now. It looks like speeding the record up would cause damage because with the beat and sounds closer together at higher speeds, wouldn't you also add more friction on the stylus and record? If so, it sounds like both the stylus and the record would wear faster.
I remember listening to records and how the different speeds affected how the album sounded growing up in the 1980's. These days I would like to share with my kids what records were like versus the computerized apps these days.
I Always play my record on native speed, but i have a funny question for you related to this,there is 3 speeds on turntables we know are standard 33 -45 and 78,how about multiply 33 and 45 together? The answer wil be 78-right-So i wonder-hal come the 78 is around the subject all the time when it comes to speeds on tunrtables either way, if you multiply or just playin a 78 record ? Is this a number a very planned ,or is it just a coincident?
Hi Jarret. Is the audio technica lp3 a good starter for entering into turntables. If not please suggest one.
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I have a record that doesn't play correctly at either speed. It should be 33 1/3 but that i way to slow. At 45, it sounds much better but is still slightly too fast. Is there something I am missing? Or could it just be a mnaufatuere error. All other records play fine. Thanks for your time!
The pitch control comes in handy when some songs are too slow or too quick.
i recently received the latest Panic! at the disco vinyl, and when i played it on my record player, it was on the right speed (33rpm), however it was just a teeny tiny bit faster and the pitch was a little higher. when i played the original song on my laptop, the vinyl would start caching up in speed and end up being 5 - 10 seconds faster than the original. do you have any clue what the issue is and if so plz help!!
I have a stereo system I recently got. I use it to play my records on but I've noticed it is slightly off speed (too fast) I only noticed it recently when a song I have on record was playing on the radio, I then played the record whilst the radio was playing and discovered it played a slight but noticeable higher pitch like instead of 45 it was playing at 47 or there about. I have tried taking the platter out and looking for a speed adjustment knob or screw for the motor but there doesn't appear to be one, and the belt looks fine. I have to play my records with a sock on top of the record while playing to play it at the correct speed but I shouldn't have to do that! Any ideas please?
Hi not speed related but what's best a linear tracking record player or the standard arm type ?
what if my 78rpm has a visible crack through it and i have to play it at 33RPM in order to not likely break my needle or the record?
Can the headshell affect the sound of the music? And do different headshells sound better? So for example if you had a $15 and a $50 headshell will there be a difference in sound if you used the same needle?
When I was younger, I used to have an old Zenith portable 4-speed record player. The player had an extra setting marked "R" and that would sort of put the turntable into neutral. I used to play my records at the various speeds and I would get a good laugh out of it. I also played my 45's without using the adapter for the hole and place the records off center and let 'er rip and it made it sound weird (as in drug-trip weird). When I put the speed lever on "R", I could then start playing the records backwards by moving it around the turntable manually with my finger.
You should not play records backwards. The Lord won't like you if you do.
Related topic you may want to discuss at some point: the pitch control slider, which allows for more subtle changes in platter speed (probably most useful for DJs).
When I was a kid and records were the top format we used to play around with the speed all the time. When you are ten years old stuff like that was funny as hell. I had a record player that also played at 16RPM.
I have a 12in that plays at 45 rpm. Often I forget about setting the right speed and when I do I’m always surprised by the sound.
The only thing I find lately is that some new presses that are made on double LP's and made for 45 rpm's actually has no printed information at all about this, neither on the sleeve nor the label. I think the album "Fever Daydream" by "Black Queen" was one example where I found that out as soon as the singing began, and that was quite a bit into the record... :)
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I have a Pro-ject Turntable, so it's easy to forget you've changed the speed. On top of that, I often play instrumental Jazz. I must confess, sometimes, especially with some of the avant garde stuff, if goes unnoticed for a song or two.
Can some records not work with certain speed vinyl players is that something you have to think about when buying vinyls?
Great video thanks
Two very good points of personal privilege:
First, have a Canadian-made 78 of "The Chipmunk Song", and it appears that if played at 33 1/3, you'll hear what is closer to David Seville's actual voice!
Second, also have a clear-vinyl 12" single of Herb Alpert's #1 hit "Rise", which is pressed at 33 1/3, but in 'The Billboard Book of Number One Hits', there's an anecdote about some club DJs were inadvertently playing it at 45 RPM, which made for a, uh, considerably faster Beats Per Minute count than Herb imagined!!
This was certainly one of the more interesting videos from this page!
Funny thing is: I bought "The Dark Side of the Moon" wich I never ever heard before. I liked the first title Breathe espacially for the voice that sounded like a women. Till I recognized I forgot to change the speed back to 33 1/3 rpm after listen to a 7' record. -.-
I like messing about with the pitch control slider to slow down or speed up a record a bit.
Played Led Zeppelin LP on 45rmp, sounded weird but it's led zep, so I was thinking maybe it's just the song that sounds pitched, but it continued with Kashmir and I understood my mistake
We’ve all been there man haha
Haha, first I was like well Jimmy is hitting the high not, but with the savage murder it was on other songs I understood it was not
What if I am playing the vinyl at the right speed but it still sounds too high?
I am so happy to see Nick Cave get some love. Underrated musician and bona fide legend. Also great video.
What will happen when you play records at different speeds? Make it hard for the copyright police of course! Also when the McDonald’s record was played at 78 it was so fast the stylus was jumping and mis-tracking 😆.
Jaret...this is a cool "new" video :P
Love it!
@Vinyl Eyezz Will A Diamond Stylus work with 78rpm records? Meaning will it destroy the needle
Is it safe to play records that are only slightly warped?
Two videos one day after the other!? This is madness! (The good kind tho...)
More madness to come!
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Very good information i liked it thks a lot l like listening to music at the correct speed thksfor your v clip
Madness? THIS IS SPARTA!
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Could you do a video on how to build a vinyl sink cleaner out of pcv peps?
A light pitching on the manual slide is always great for sometimes find the right flow for a song.. sonetimes a song needs more drive and energy, so pitch them up a bit.. and if the songs needs more rawness and a slower pace, just pitch it a little down. For djs itz a normal way to play Records, especially if your doin a mix.. itz needed.
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I have Toto IV on vinyl and I like the way the song good for you sounds at 16 rpms.
i admit i have had times where i went to play a record and didn't realize i had it set on the wrong speed till i started playing it hahaha
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Man I used to love screwing around with the speed switch. Still do sometimes
A while back I was reading a biography of Sting (The Police) and in the said biography he goes on about how he would listen to records at a different speed (I forget which speed), he did this because it was much better for him to hear and learn the basslines on songs which means he could easily copy them by listening to vinyl at a different speed.
Guess what the RCA Select-A-Vision was a record player that played vinyl discs with a aluminium foil with a video signal recorded into it and was played at a very fast speed.
Playing records at the wrong speed has been done in many TV comedy skits to make them funnier.
I do your test speed when I was a child. It was fun thing to do with your record player. ☺
I (personally) would play the 78RPM records with an original machine.
When i got my first 45RPM 12" maxi-single i tried to play it on 33 as every "big" records.
When the music started, i was like "Dude, WTF..."
I did this on my Fisher Price record player. it didn't take me long to figure out what speed to play it on. I am glad I didn't try to play any 78 records on it.
Here's an interesting bit of trivia for you. The entire genre of Newbeat was created by a belgian DJ doing this by accident. He accidently played Flesh by A Split Second at 33 rpm instead of 45, and this created a new genre. A more mellow and slower version of EBM. There's videos on youtube of this song being played at 33.
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And let's not forget that some 78 rpm records were made out of vinyl. I own in my collection 4 promotional singles from RCA Victor that were made out of vinyl in the 50s. They have white labels that read: "RCA VICTOR / RECORD PREVUE / DISC JOCKEY SAMPLE / NOT FOR SALE. / USE 1 MIL NEEDLE." All 4 are 10" discs. They are in Near Mint condition. Not all of them have the 1 Mil Needle notation, but they are vinyl. Also, a couple are missing from Discogs. There is a company called Rivermont Records that still presses vinyl 78s, using colored vinyl yet!
Elvis's "I Can't Help Falling in Love With You" 45 rpm sounds awesome at 33 1/3.
A couple of times I’ve played a shoegaze album at the wrong speed, and didn’t even notice lol
You mentioned older 10 inch records. But I just bought a brand new 10 inch Mastodon record. What rpm will be best for it?
Whatever speed is listed on the record. Most likely it's 33-1/3rpm. The "older 10-inch records" he was referring to are 78rpm singles, which were made between 1900 (approx.) and 1960. They are not made of vinyl. Rather, they are made of a markedly more brittle material called "shellac" and they have somewhat deeper grooves. 10-inch VINYL records, on the other hand, are just an intermediate size that is often referred to as an "EP" ("extended play") as opposed to the longer "LP" (12" album, or "long-playing" record). Both the LP (12") and the EP (10") were introduced around the same time -- about 1948. I think vinyl 45rpm singles (usually 7") were introduced around that time also. 12" 45rpm records emerged around the mid-1970's with the disco craze, as some popular dance songs started being released in longer "extended dance mixes/versions" which necessitated larger records to maintain sound quality (as there is a limit to how much music you can fit on one side of a vinyl record, be it 7" or 12", as too much music on a side would mean shallower grooves due to space limitations, with a proportional loss of sound quality). Generally, the maximum on one side a 12" vinyl LP is about 25 minutes or so before sound quality starts to decline, and maybe 7 minutes or so on one side of a 7" 45rpm single. But yeah, you can play a 10" record (vinyl only) on a standard turntable with a standard stylus. Just make sure you don't use the automatic start function wherein the record player automatically places the needle on the record for you, because the record player (especially older systems manufactured before the emergence of 12" singles) may be designed to go automatically to the 12" format for the 33-1/3rpm setting and the 7" format for the 45rpm setting. Under THOSE circumstances, always put the needle/tonearm on the record MANUALLY. Some turntables made from maybe the late 1970's onward may have controls for choosing both turntable speed AND record size/diameter, but those generally only have settings for 7" and 12", as 10" is rather uncommon.
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Hey Vinyl Eyezz I've wanted to know will doing the same to a record but playing it backwards have an effect? (Minus the obvious sounding gibberish). Would playing a record backwards on a turntable that has a backwards option or back cueing it damage the record and or needle?
It might cause damage to record and stylus. It will certainly damage your soul.
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When I directed the music for a local revue theater company decades ago, we took advantage of the 33->45 pitch & speed change (and I credit my theatrical director A.T. for the idea). Using the Sweet Charity song, Big Spender, originally a song by adult hookers to their johns, we used the faster, higher version for some "babies" in a nursery to sing to their "baby johns." The sexual connotation of the original was transformed, on stage, into an innocent anthem.
I used to do this as a child to make me laugh with my mom and dads records. I used to play a 45 at 16 as my brother had a 4 speed record player from the late 50s or a 33 at 78
I have a record called "Environments" on Atlantic Records that was made to be played at 3 different speeds (16, 33, and 45) depending on your taste or purpose. One side is ocean sounds, side 2 are bird sounds. 33 is the 'natural speed, so that's what I usually use.
Barry White at slow motion! I lost it hahahahaha!
i have two questions,
1st,
what's the scientific reason behind changin' the pitch when changin' the speed of the record...?
like why does the pitch get affected with changing the speed...?
2nd,
why does the sound quality decrease when changin' the speed while keepin' the original pitch...?
So here's a thing: There was this Belgian electro-funk band called Future that released a single in 1981 called "I Can't Read Your Mind." Frankly, it's very pedestrian electro-funk and passably pleasant at the 45 RPM speed the 12" single was meant to be played at. HOWEVER, played at 33 1/3, the tune turns into this massively awesome, thick, P-Funk like jam that is WAY better than the original! Check it out if you get the chance.
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I once got a 12" record for free without the sleeve and any information from Germany. It was actually a post-punk band and I loved their sound, it was like Joy Division. After the 4th or 5th listen I accidentally played it on 45rpm and only then did I realise that it was an EP release and the native speed was 45, not 33,3. The funny thing is that they truly sounded better slow and deep :D
Hi Jarrett song of the day? So what by Miles Davis. Thanks
Well that's nice. Got a 45 rpm album added to my collection of 2 33 rpm albums. Being the overly protective guy that i am when it comes to fragile stuff, it's better to ask than to try it out.
Just gotta figure out how to change between rpm's on my record player...
Changing speeds on a record player involves either pressing button(s) or flipping a lever back and forth between the speed settings. Every record player has one or the other.