2:40 - Many 45-RPM records (and likely the one you're showing us) are made of styrene instead of PVC (vinyl). Styrene records were manufactured by many record companies like Columbia, RCA, PolyGram, and Arista. They were made by injection molding (the same process used to make the plastic parts for most of our modern gadgets) instead of by pressing a puck of PVC between two heated "stampers" (nickel negatives of the final record). Styrene records can only be played safely by conical (spherical) or elliptical (bonded or nude) styli. Playing a styrene record with a more complex stylus (Shibata, Micro-Line, Fine-Line, Micro-Ridge, etc.) will result in the stylus shaving out filaments from the record grooves, which appear as a white dust on the top of the record, thus destroying the record. Not all 45-RPM records are styrene. To identify a styrene record, look at the edge. If the edge is square, the record is styrene; if the edge is sharp, the record is vinyl. Vinyl 45-RPM records can safely be played with any type of stylus. Additionally, a few 12-inch singles are 45-RPM; however, they have small center holes instead of big ones.
Another format is the 33-1/3 RPM, 16 inch transcription record. These were used for distributing weekly radio shows to radio stations. The only time I saw one of these records was at a movie theater I worked at in the 1970s.
Oooo I want a liquid filled record!…I had no idea they had more speeds than the 331/3, 45 and 78rpm, nor did I know 78s require a special stylus. I learned a lot here! I doubt that chocolate record would last long with me though ;o)
Actually - you shouldn't use 78rpm stylus at all. The 33 1/3 stylus works fine and does less damage. It's the other way around - you can't use a 78 stylus on 33 1/3 records. It's so wide that it will just glide along the top of the groove and you won't hear anything. 78 needles are just steel. They get dull fast. You would buy them in tins of 100 and replace them (in theory) after every few records. Not many people bothered, which is one (of many) reason 78s are usually so worn out.
Edison Diamond Discs can be played on a modern turntable. Just need to swap the cartridge wires on the right (red and green) channel and mix down to a mono signal. They play best, IMO, with an LP (0.7mil) elliptical stylus. Pathé vertical groove records sound best with a 3mil 78rpm elliptical stylus.
There were the popular 10" brown cardboard Hit-of-the-Week - also known as Durium records - in the early 30s, and other flexible 10" 78 rpm records too in white celluloid, clear and coloured PVC , and in Europe we had 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 inch shellac records playing at 78rpm.. from the 20s to mid thirties.
OMG!!! Dude every since i saw your Video "why buy Vinyl" I've been hooked!! i have bought my very first Record player, its a Audio Technica ATLP60, i will be upgrading as time passes. I am also using the tips you give on how to buy Vinyl record and how to treat them well, Much love man.
4:15 - RCA CED (Capacitance Electronic Disc) videodiscs had similar grooves to the Edison records, undulating up and down rather than side-to-side. The grooves were ultra-narrow, about 1/50th the width of a single audio record groove, and had no space between them. They were played by a keel-shaped diamond stylus with a titanium electrode embedded within. The titanium electrode acted as one plate of a capacitor (hence the term "Capacitance Electronic Disc") and the disc itself served as the second plate. The discs were spun at 450 RPM. As the depth of the groove fluctuated, so did the capacitance, since capacitance changes with the distance between the plates. The electronics in the player decoded the fluctuations in capacitance into video and sound, which it then fed to a TV. The RCA CED system was launched in 1981 and marketed as a cheaper alternative to a VCR, which cost about $700-1000 in 1981 dollars ($1800-2500 today). However, since it came out after the LaserDisc, a far superior format, and since each side of a CED disc could only hold 1 hour of video and sound, it was, at best, only moderately successful. Additionally, a few years later, VCR prices plummeted, thus making the CED format much less desirable. RCA ceased production of CED players in 1984 and abandoned the format entirely in 1986.
As a child we had 45 records that had a mirror attachment at went on the spindle so that as the record spun it would pick up a picture where the title of the record would go - and this would give an animated image to watch.
The only coloured vinyl I have so far is a generic looking J-pop one from the 80's. I wasn't even sure if I'd listened to it before or not, until I got it out and saw it was white.
Great video would like to add that radio stations back in the day used giant 16 inch records !! I have a few of them my wall they too played at 33 1/3 and could be found with starting grooves either inside out or outside in
I have some thin cardboard records that came with some ALF puppets back in the 80s. They were from Burger King I believe. Most of these records are curled due to age and being stored in a box.
I have one of these 45rpm 12'' records too, mine is actually an EP (Melanie Martinez's After School btw). The funny part of the story is that the RPM information wasn't on the cover, the sleeve or anywhere else. I played the vinyl and I thought like "well, this artist uses a pitch down voice and tempo sometimes, but it's never for so long". Only realized that in the middle of the song.
I eat Crosleys for breakfast, never mind brunch lol...good info, a couple of these obscure formats I hadn't even heard of. Not sure if you intended to mention these but there are also 7" singles that play at 33 rpm, and 10" or 12" singles (not LP"s) that play at either 45 or 33. Jack White has probably done more than anybody to add to those oddball records, that angel hologram is pretty freaking cool I must say.
Yeah! I kinda mentioned them in a way when I talked about certain records jumping categories. Jack White has done some amazing things with the format, he's also a reason I got into vinyl!
There are a few "hologram" vinyls - Star Wars:The Force awakens vinyl soundtrack is the most recent iirc www.starwars.com/news/the-star-wars-the-force-awakens-soundtrack-comes-to-vinyl-with-holograms 33RPM 7" singles, also something you don't see much these days on 7" is the punch out for jukebox use. My entire shellac collection (including an original "Teddy Bears Picnic" - don't ask!) got chucked when I moved house...
During the late teens, Pathe records in Europe had a Center-start 78 rpm record that was 20 inches wide. The Center start feature has been repeated now that sound engineers have proven it is superior for pieces of music that start low and finish very loud, since the tracking and grooves are better at the start of a record. I have a new copy of Ravels "Bolero" on a center start record, as it is a famous piece that starts with only 2 instruments and finishes beyond huge.I enjoy watching your videos, introducing a new generation to the past in record technology.
My cousin had a 1903 RCA stereo that his daughter inherited after his passing plus he left her a bunch of records from that era and they still sound fantastic.
Here`s s`more...In early shellac days, some were only single sided with a relief company moulding on the other side. Also some were as small as 5 inches, and as large as 12. Finally, early vinyl microgrooves were only 10 inches. I used to have examples of all of these. Keep up the vinyl vibes!
Shellac 78s come in different sizes. 5" 6" &" 9" 10" 12" 14" and higher. The largest size that I've seen was a 20" center start Pathe that played at 90 RPM. A few of the last 78s were pressed in Vinyl..
I have an Edison disc that I got from my uncle. It is dated at 1929, around the time that some of them actually started using the standard groove design. And as such, it is playable on a normal player, albeit at 78 rpm. Truly a miraculous sight.
Very cool video, enlightening too. So can't wait to get my own LP120 soon. Been stocking up on records for a few months. Another cool mention is that Jack White had a liquid filled record pressed for his song Sixteen Saltines back in 2012.
This is a nice introduction! If I may tweak it just a touch: 78 rpm records also came in 12" and 7" sizes. Earlier, acoustic records on various labels were said to be 80 rpm on their sleeves because it was easiest to calibrate on a gramophone, which had a lever to adjust the speed. The reality is that many if not most of that era play at 78 as well as slower or faster; the recording equipment was run by pulleys. The same goes for Edison DDs which, by the way, are not rare as records go; like any other, it depends on the title (very late ones, especially electrically recorded ones, are scarce, simply because they were the end of the line.) The speed issue also affects Pathe Sapphire records which, like Edison DDs, had a vertically cut groove (until your video I've always seen it called "Hill and Dale" or, well, vertical cut.) Pathe records were made to be played only with a sapphire ball. A steel needle would trash it. LPs were also 10" in the beginning, and it was quite common in those early days. The size was more novelty in the 70s and 80s (A&M issued The Police's Regatta Du Blanc that way, and Warner Bros. issued a Rikkie Lee Jones album that way) and there also were 7" 33rpm records, though not a format that took off beyond early juke box records and educational records. (Scholastic Books issued many.) 16 r.p.m records can be found in those three sizes as well.
One of the favorite little oddities I've stumbled upon is The Dillinger Escape Plan's Option Paralysis box set coming with a CD which has a bonus track on the flip-side on vinyl. CD which doubles as a vinyl. Insane.
Saw a diamond disc today at an antique shop. It was in a pretty rough shape, chips on the edges, and scratches in the grooves. Let it slide because the price given was outrageously high given the condition
Today, included in a collection I bought was a duodisc aluminum record with a shellac top. Apparently these were actual records one could use to make recordings. This one will be on display since I do not currently have a 78 player. It is a little larger than a 45 and has a center hole and an off center locking hole to prevent it from slipping while making a recording.
At an audio museum I am on the board of we have got quite a few 18" 78 RPM discs. Many of them play from the centre out. This was done deliberately because in those days they were still read by a steel needle (even if it was held in an electromagnetic pickup). The idea was the needle would encounter the slower less trebley tracks whilst it was still fresh and when it was getting worn it would be in the region of the faster outer tracks, which of course always have more high end. The idea here being to kind of even up the frequency response over the disc. Naturally this would be irrelevant when using a diamond stylus. It's common to think that things advanced from steel to diamond. But actually, the original phonographs used sapphire needles & as pointed out, the Edison "hill & dale" player used a diamond needle. They actually went to disposable steel needles to meet the demand for higher volume from these acoustically amplified machines. You can apply a lot more pressure to a record with a hardy piece of steel. Which means greater volume. There was even a deliberate abrasive compound put in the shellac mixture to quickly grind a new needle into the right shape by the record it was playing!
This is a very interesting video. I would like to add that there's actually 6 speeds for record playing. 16 2/3rpm isn't the slowest speed. There's even a slower speed which is 8 rpm which was used for talking books when they were produced for the blind and visually impaired readers back in the 70s and early 80s. The records were on flexible disc or standard hard discs like the 33 1/3 but were about maybe 10" in diameter. There was one time I had records that were children's bible stories on both the flexible and hard disc, except the size was probably around an 8" or 8 1/2" diameter and made it harder to play on a standard record player. The only record player(s). that I know of that played them with no problem were the astrosonic turntables found in magnavox console stereo systems, which my mother still has. You might want to include this if you decide to do an update on this video. Superior job on the presentation. Gary
Hiya Jarrett, there is one type of record I know of that you forgot to mention is the double groove records. On these records you could listen to either one of 2 different songs or pieces of music depending on which groove you drop the stylus into. I don't have any of those myself, YET. But I know they do exist. Do you have any of these in your collection?
Then there were also vinyl records with noise reduction systems. in the late 70's and early 80's the purpose was to provide better dynamics and reduce noise disturbances of various kinds. These vinyl records are still available for purchase today. but a decoder is required to take advantage of the noise reduction. if you do not have a turntable or amplifier with built-in function for it
78's were also made from Bakelite. I have a fair few of those. RCA Dynaflex is another type of material that was used for 33 1/3 records that you would probably put into the Thin Category.
crosleys aren't the only bad record player company around! Enter innovative technology (aka IT) this Crosley wannabe (and by Crosley i mean the Chinese knockoff not the original company) is a bad imitation of a bad imitation of the original Crosley! the original Crosley record players were high quality (unlike the ones of today) I wouldn't be suprised that with some good restoration work and some tlc they (the original Crosleys) would still work today. Dont believe me? Ask my friend #radiotvphononut he knows all about them! in fact he eols modern Crosleys all the time! I'd do it myself but i don't have the nerve!
No mention of EP records, Extended Play 45 RPM records. In India, HMV came out with LP 45 records. LP sized records which played at 45 RPM speed. It was marketed for a short period around 1974 /1975. It had 2 or 3 songs on each side.
I have a green marbled single by John Linnell in the shape of the 48 contiguous U.S. states. I'm loving your videos, btw! I wish I would've found them sooner, they would've saved me from some rookie mistakes x_x
Fab video. Just to add here. There are 16 rpm records at 12 inch with music on. I have some PYE, Fontana and CBS compilation 'sampler' LPS made in South Africa. The Prestige jazz label made some 12 inch 16's. A set of six. Don't forget a popular 45 rpm format the 12 inch mega mix Finally if you can find them! The US army made 33 rpm records that were 16 inch diameter to be played on the radio. Just played with out DJ. This also includes many smaller speech records that played at 8 rpm.
hi. 78's were still being produced in the 60's as the Beatles cut their first disc on a 78 in 1962 and also don't forget the 8 rpm discs that were around as well as they were produced for talking news or stories for the blind and also a lot of elevator musak used 8rpm as well as the 16rpm as well. Sorry to correct but also a huge vinyl fan 😀
Another great installment, thank you. There is of course Shaped Picture discs which are a bit of a novelty. Watching your video reminded of a disc I have. Whilst it's not my type of music I thought it was unusual as it says on the label "Speed 80." It's on the Columbia label and by The Condoliers with Take A Pair Of Sparkling Eyes on one side and No Possible Doubt Whatsoever on the other. Mabye this is one of the ultra rare discs you talked about. John
This may have been mentioned, but while the Edison Diamond Discs will be ruined on the acoustic reproducers with steel needles, it is perfectly safe to play them on a modern turntable with a stereo cartridge and course groove stylus. Since they are vertically cut, the sound from the left output of the cartridge will be out of phase with the right output. Simply just wire one side backwards, and then sum the outputs to “mono”. Alternatively, record in “stereo” and use software such as Audacity to “invert” one of the two channels. Then mix to mono.
HI Jarrett, very cool video! I remember some special records that seemed to have enjoyed some popularity in the 60s. My mum used to show me several postcards that were larger than the ordinary ones, and they had a hole in the center. I could also see the grooves present in a traditional record. The back of this record-postcard was similar to that of any postcard: you could write a message, and the address to send the card. It was sent to mum by a European friend, and I guess they weren't written on the back, meaning they were sent inside an envelope. As my mum told me, they were very fragile, and she would never allowed me to touch and/or listen to them. A couple of weeks ago, I asked her about these cards and, unfortunately, she has no idea of what has become of them... Well... just wanted to share these memories with you all...
When I got my record player my grandma gave me loads of records including quite a lot of 78's. One of them (Whole Lotta Shakin' goin' on - Jerry Lee Lewis) has a crack in it on the a side and an actual chip on the b-side and it still plays fine. It's the superman vinyl.
Nice video. I saw London Grammar on the wall. Was you pressing noisy on the first few tracks out of curiosity? Mine has some horrendous surface noise, pops, and ticks that not even my RCM can take out.
Some more: lacquer / acetate (very early discs for internal use only - they wear out extremely quickly and are used as a reference to see if it was cut and mastered properly) flexi discs (mostly 5", made out of a flexible material and sometimes contained inside postcards) shape discs (cut to a certain shape, so you have to look at the nearest circular part of the record to play it) dynaflex (flexible vinyl records, I'm talking actual LPs - lower sound quality and cheaper manufacturing during the 70s) styrene (mostly 7"ers made during the 70s - IIRC they need to be played with a conical stylus, as the others will mess them up; identified by their edges that are a bit thicker, as well as a typical gap between the label and runout) 7" EP type records (not all 7" records contain just one track per side) maxi-single type records (mostly 10" and 12" - contain singles and sometimes variations of the single like remixes, instrumentals and a capella tracks - mostly electronic and hip hop releases, although this type of single started in the 70s and was popularised by disco artists; most UK maxis play at 45 RPM while some others play at 33 1/3) 90 RPM (basically the predecessor to 80 RPMs)
Regarding Edison Diamond Discs, the "wood flour and china clay" is just the binder INSIDE the record. The actual record coating is "condensite," a phenolic resin similar to bakelite, a type of plastic. That's like saying a bullet is made of gunpowder.
I've never thought of this kind of stuff when I'd go looking at any records. This is because when I think about records I strictly think about the bands that I want to collect the albums from. A couple of years back I found out just how someone can find out how to determine if an album is an original copy or not which is based on the serial number found on the sleeve and the actual record, then take that serial number and stick it in Google to help determine this. I haven't been buying vinyl for the last 2 years because I'm trying to find a decent pair of speakers that are of a good quality sound but don't cost too much in price because my turntable is hooked up to my laptop and the sound quality sucks for trying to record vinyl to turn into mp3s. I used to have my turntable hooked up to my desktop which had surround sound speakers by Logitech and they were good.
+Vinyl Eyezz Considering that where I live there's no record store of any kind but this small city had an album sale about twice a year (even though I've not gone in the last two years) and one time I've managed to purchase an original Paul McCartney album for $1 that turned out to be an original copy and I stuck the serial number into Google to see what would come up and it was...but also the label on the vinyl itself had the apple logo from Apple Records so that also kind of told me. I first think about what artist I want to hunt for, then if the album is in good condition then try to find out what kind of a copy it is. I've never been one to collect 45s because I'm more for the album and of groups/artists that have been around for a long time that I really like. I've done some shopping on eBay before just for the fun of it and have gotten some good albums that way as well.
~ 3 Years Later and still interesting! Did not see that you covered the 7" singles in the USA released with small holes and playable at 33 1/3 r.p.m. in the short-lived Atlantic Records DSKO Disco Promo series. Might that be considered a special, separate category: it does seem to be a combination of norms, plus they were all released with full paper jackets, not Atlantic hole-cut sleeves. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
When I was a little child, I had a few Fisher Price records that were about the same diameter as the 45 RPM vinyl records, which were made out of plastic (ABS?) in different colours and could only be played on a special Fisher Price toy record player that was made for small children.
I went to my local charity (thrift) shop and they had records, one of them was rather heavy it had the same thickness as a 78 but wasn't it was bigger than a 45 but smaller than a 33 and I had no idea what it was.
You forgot to mention a "Constant Linear Velocity" records an attempt to increase the recording time in early 1920s. The speed was measured in inches per second rather than revolution per minute. Their reason was if the sound quality is acceptable close to the record label they can keep that linear speed all the time. Some said it was cut from the inside out and at the beginning close to the record label they spin at 78 RPM and gradually slows down as it spirals outwards like a CD. I stumbled into it and googled for more and the results are conflicting whether it was cut from the inside out or outside in. One of those sources is Wikipedia under Gramophone record.
In 1933, RCA pressed TWO 78 RPM picture disc - one for Jimmie Rodgers and one for Enrico Caruso. I have a Jimmie Rodgers picture disc. ALSO: A 78 RPM Jimmie Rodgers disc was issued with Three grooves on one side - Rodgers Puzzle record. I have one of these. Vogue records released Vogue Picture Records in the 1940's.
Two things. 1st off, not only were there standard 45's, with one track per side. But there were also what was called EP 45's, AKA: Extended Play. RCA started doing that in the early 50's, they would pack two tracks per side on a 7inch 45. I also thought I would menton Philco Fords Hip Pocket records from the mid 60's. they were little 5 or 6 inch disks, and they featured all the hottest pop stars of the day, mainly marketed for teens. Each disk had a picture cover. Philco Ford produced a special transistor, battery player that ONLY played the hip pocket disks, and 45's.
Back when I was a kid, they used to put songs on the back of cereal boxes. You cutr out the record and put it on you turntable and there you go. Pop songs like Bobby Sherman or the Monkees whatever was popular at the time. Ah the good old days.
I've only just found out about cardboard records! Would love to hear more about those and how they work, assuming they don't have traditional grooves like vinyl records.
If have ever seen Its A Wonderful Life you would remember that Mary Hatch was playing a recording of Buffalo Gals Won’t You Come Out Tonight when George Bailey came to visit at her house. She got mad at him and smashed her record. That was a 78;rpm record.
Thanks for making this video. Very helpful! I decided to get Audio Technica AT-LP5 for my first turntable. It's the cheapest HiFi turntable on the market right now I think :)
There was another kind of record, and was very popular as promo or as an insert on magazines, the Flexi Disc or SoundSheet made by EvaTone, some of these sounded very good. I have a few sent as preview for production Music Libraries in the 90s and late 80s. National Geographic Magazine issued some more, I remember one from an article on the Apollo mission to the moon. There are many samples here on RUclips.
I have a question: with thicker records, like the 180 gram records, do you need to change something about your tone arm like the height? Btw I'm getting my AT lp 120 tomorrow, thanks for helping me making my decision!!
Edison discs were called "hill and dale" or vertical groove records. The analog sound is modulated vertically in an Edison disc. Pathé Records in France also made vertical-groove records but had to be played with a 9-mil stylus.
We had some of those Edison records at a library I used to work at. I remember looking at them and being amazed at how thick they were. The librarian did not see the value of them and took them out of circulation. Which means they ended up in the dumpster.
I have a bunch of edison 16rpm records, I play them on a Victrola cabinet, its awesome. I also have the smooth groove records, the demo disc from edison is cool.
+Vinyl Eyezz lol just sold a fully working brunswick with tons of needles and heavies for a song. no one wants these things anymore, i cried. at least it didnt go into the dumpster, had a major lack of space issue.
16rpm WAS used for music, in the Seabreeze Background Music System. Someone already mentioned the 8RPM talking books, but I will mention the 100RPM Pathe disc which starts at the centre of the record and uses a ball stylus...there are great videos about all of these on RUclips.
Hi mate Speaking about speeds - maybe you can made a video about explaining difference between 33 and 45 pressings? What is the difference between mastering, etc. Thanks in advance
4:14 Fun fact: this is how I used to think normal records functioned, when I initially heard them described on _BTN_ as a kid. 5:26 "THAT'TH WAYTHITHT!!!"
I have a few records which have a 45 rpm side, and a 33 rpm side. How common is this? or is it just this particular genre I've got? P.S almost all of them are 7'' single records.
This will almost certainly be because of the content that's on them. As you might know, a 33/3 rpm record can hold ~20 minutes on each side, when talking about the 12" variety. a 7" 45 rpm record holds up to 5, 6 minutes at the most, per side. If a song lasted longer than this, two things could be done to overcome the time constraints. One: press a 10", or even a 12" 45 rpm disk, which would ramp up the quantity of information that could be pressed onto one side, whilst preserving the (mostly higher) sound quality of 45 rpm records. Another method, that was slightly less common, was to keep using the 7" 'form factor', but to bring the speed down to 33rpm, which would give you about 8, 9 minutes of audio per side. I myself haven't seen many 33rpm 7" records, let alone any mix-types where one side would be 45 rpm and the other would be 33 rpm. If it would be up to me, that would make these fit into the 10th category of this video...
This is a good start for a beginner. That said take a look at the record regardless of the size. I've been listening to my 7 inch records I've been collecting. I had two that were 33 & 1/3 even though they are only 7 inches. I have a U2 7 inch from the Rattle & Hum period where one side is a 33 & 1/3 and the other side was a 45 rpm. I have 10 inch records that have the same disposition shall we say. I also have 12 inch 45 RPM records too. The speciality discs are cool and I have a promo that is Marianne Faithfull that is a brief recording on the front of a post card! While I enjoy spinning records I feel that the prices of new records have gone way out of control. So I can pick up a new CD release and it will be roughly between $8 and $11 on sale. I don't really get why the record is north of $20. This is not new technology and I get there is a demand but brand new albums can be had for $15 in original shrink wrap. For example I love Brian Fallon but the new vinyl was 2.5 times the cost of the CD! You get a download code but that's not really putting the record company out anything. There is no physical product to push or cost the artist. If you like an artist make sure to support them. Buy their albums, go to their shows, tell them that they matter. If you take care of your records they can easily last a lifetime or longer.
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You forgot about the flexi disc!
Holy crap! You're right! I knew I was forgetting something!
+Vinyl Eyezz Yep, i've got a few of those., and the sound quality isn't bad.
..and the shaped discs also.. :)
and the cardboard discs, like the ones on Post cereal boxes in the 70's, or the Hit of the Week 78's sold at newsstands in the 1930's.
Vinyl Eyezz how about the eight inch records
2:40 - Many 45-RPM records (and likely the one you're showing us) are made of styrene instead of PVC (vinyl). Styrene records were manufactured by many record companies like Columbia, RCA, PolyGram, and Arista. They were made by injection molding (the same process used to make the plastic parts for most of our modern gadgets) instead of by pressing a puck of PVC between two heated "stampers" (nickel negatives of the final record).
Styrene records can only be played safely by conical (spherical) or elliptical (bonded or nude) styli. Playing a styrene record with a more complex stylus (Shibata, Micro-Line, Fine-Line, Micro-Ridge, etc.) will result in the stylus shaving out filaments from the record grooves, which appear as a white dust on the top of the record, thus destroying the record.
Not all 45-RPM records are styrene. To identify a styrene record, look at the edge. If the edge is square, the record is styrene; if the edge is sharp, the record is vinyl. Vinyl 45-RPM records can safely be played with any type of stylus.
Additionally, a few 12-inch singles are 45-RPM; however, they have small center holes instead of big ones.
I have the Joyce Manor S/T on vinyl which is a 12in that plays @ 45rpm. I also have the Razzmatazz B-Sides by iDKHow which is a 10in @45rpm
Quite alot of 12" singles are 45rpm actually.
And a 7" single can also have small holes like a normal 12" record..
You're saying I can have my ashes made into a record when I die? That is beyond awesome.
Another format is the 33-1/3 RPM, 16 inch transcription record. These were used for distributing weekly radio shows to radio stations. The only time I saw one of these records was at a movie theater I worked at in the 1970s.
Oooo I want a liquid filled record!…I had no idea they had more speeds than the 331/3, 45 and 78rpm, nor did I know 78s require a special stylus. I learned a lot here!
I doubt that chocolate record would last long with me though ;o)
+MsMad Lemon haha I've been looking for a while to buy that chocolate record online! I'm glad you liked the video! :)
Actually between the years 1900 and 1935 there was between 60 and 130 rpm.
Actually - you shouldn't use 78rpm stylus at all. The 33 1/3 stylus works fine and does less damage. It's the other way around - you can't use a 78 stylus on 33 1/3 records. It's so wide that it will just glide along the top of the groove and you won't hear anything. 78 needles are just steel. They get dull fast. You would buy them in tins of 100 and replace them (in theory) after every few records. Not many people bothered, which is one (of many) reason 78s are usually so worn out.
For 78's, change your name to Shellac Eyezz
Yes!
There are also 12 inch 78 rpm records.
@@rayfridley6649 I have them
I have about 5 Edison 80 rpm records!!! I didn't know they were so rare.
+Prowler That's awesome! Do you have the Edison diamond disc phonograph to play them? :)
nope i found them with various 78 records and a victrola
Edison Diamond Discs can be played on a modern turntable. Just need to swap the cartridge wires on the right (red and green) channel and mix down to a mono signal. They play best, IMO, with an LP (0.7mil) elliptical stylus. Pathé vertical groove records sound best with a 3mil 78rpm elliptical stylus.
There were the popular 10" brown cardboard Hit-of-the-Week - also known as Durium records - in the early 30s, and other flexible 10" 78 rpm records too in white celluloid, clear and coloured PVC , and in Europe we had 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 inch shellac records playing at 78rpm.. from the 20s to mid thirties.
OMG!!! Dude every since i saw your Video "why buy Vinyl" I've been hooked!! i have bought my very first Record player, its a Audio Technica ATLP60, i will be upgrading as time passes. I am also using the tips you give on how to buy Vinyl record and how to treat them well, Much love man.
+Moises Alonso Awesome! Glad I could help you out with your new vinyl hobby! And I'm so glad you like the videos too! More great stuff on the way!
4:15 - RCA CED (Capacitance Electronic Disc) videodiscs had similar grooves to the Edison records, undulating up and down rather than side-to-side. The grooves were ultra-narrow, about 1/50th the width of a single audio record groove, and had no space between them. They were played by a keel-shaped diamond stylus with a titanium electrode embedded within. The titanium electrode acted as one plate of a capacitor (hence the term "Capacitance Electronic Disc") and the disc itself served as the second plate.
The discs were spun at 450 RPM. As the depth of the groove fluctuated, so did the capacitance, since capacitance changes with the distance between the plates. The electronics in the player decoded the fluctuations in capacitance into video and sound, which it then fed to a TV.
The RCA CED system was launched in 1981 and marketed as a cheaper alternative to a VCR, which cost about $700-1000 in 1981 dollars ($1800-2500 today). However, since it came out after the LaserDisc, a far superior format, and since each side of a CED disc could only hold 1 hour of video and sound, it was, at best, only moderately successful. Additionally, a few years later, VCR prices plummeted, thus making the CED format much less desirable.
RCA ceased production of CED players in 1984 and abandoned the format entirely in 1986.
There's no such thing as a bad 70s funk band. Anyone who knew how cool funk was and played it can't be bad.
As a child we had 45 records that had a mirror attachment at went on the spindle so that as the record spun it would pick up a picture where the title of the record would go - and this would give an animated image to watch.
Yes, they were produced by Red Raven Records.
Not sure why but those colourful records are extremely popular for Australian rock bands
Will Abbey acdc?
The only coloured vinyl I have so far is a generic looking J-pop one from the 80's. I wasn't even sure if I'd listened to it before or not, until I got it out and saw it was white.
They are also popular with Earache Records
Nirvana unplugged...
Great video would like to add that radio stations back in the day used giant 16 inch records !! I have a few of them my wall they too played at 33 1/3 and could be found with starting grooves either inside out or outside in
Also 10 inch EPs which usually spin at 33 but can also be 45’s. 👍🏽
I have some thin cardboard records that came with some ALF puppets back in the 80s. They were from Burger King I believe. Most of these records are curled due to age and being stored in a box.
There are 8 RPM records
Yup, talking book records for the blind.
+souta95 SO Vinyl eyezz is wrong!
Darn I was about to comment that lol
there is a 3 rpm record too, Third Man Records, Jack White
Third man records once put out a 3 rpm record
There are 45RPM 12" (Maxi-single) and 33RPM 7" (EP) too.
true
I own one of 45RPM 12-inch vynil discs that made in 2018 year, so it's a shame he didn't mention them.
I have a 7 inch 33rpm Star Wars Cantina Band, was expecting it to be a 45
I have Dragonforces Extreme Power Metal which is a 12 inch 45 rpm record. Because of this. Its a collection with 2 records.
I have one of these 45rpm 12'' records too, mine is actually an EP (Melanie Martinez's After School btw). The funny part of the story is that the RPM information wasn't on the cover, the sleeve or anywhere else. I played the vinyl and I thought like "well, this artist uses a pitch down voice and tempo sometimes, but it's never for so long". Only realized that in the middle of the song.
I love how many times the Lazaretto Ultra LP showed up in his specialty slideshow.
I eat Crosleys for breakfast, never mind brunch lol...good info, a couple of these obscure formats I hadn't even heard of. Not sure if you intended to mention these but there are also 7" singles that play at 33 rpm, and 10" or 12" singles (not LP"s) that play at either 45 or 33. Jack White has probably done more than anybody to add to those oddball records, that angel hologram is pretty freaking cool I must say.
Yeah! I kinda mentioned them in a way when I talked about certain records jumping categories. Jack White has done some amazing things with the format, he's also a reason I got into vinyl!
There are a few "hologram" vinyls - Star Wars:The Force awakens vinyl soundtrack is the most recent iirc
www.starwars.com/news/the-star-wars-the-force-awakens-soundtrack-comes-to-vinyl-with-holograms
33RPM 7" singles, also something you don't see much these days on 7" is the punch out for jukebox use. My entire shellac collection (including an original "Teddy Bears Picnic" - don't ask!) got chucked when I moved house...
Honestly you are such a great teacher, I know nothing about an of this but I don't feel like I'm being left out or anything. Keep it up man!
During the late teens, Pathe records in Europe had a Center-start 78 rpm record that was 20 inches wide. The Center start feature has been repeated now that sound engineers have proven it is superior for pieces of music that start low and finish very loud, since the tracking and grooves are better at the start of a record. I have a new copy of Ravels "Bolero" on a center start record, as it is a famous piece that starts with only 2 instruments and finishes beyond huge.I enjoy watching your videos, introducing a new generation to the past in record technology.
Those 20 inch wide records used to be played on speeds up to 120rpm as well
My cousin had a 1903 RCA stereo that his daughter inherited after his passing plus he left her a bunch of records from that era and they still sound fantastic.
Hi, there you missed 8 1/3 RPM. Used in talking books. Some are vinyl others are thin plastic sound sheets. Nice video!
Wow! I had no idea!
There’s also 4 rpm records, but they were only test records and it is unknown if there is any left, same thing for the 2 rpm records
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I think that 3 rpm was lowest.
Here`s s`more...In early shellac days, some were only single sided with a relief company moulding on the other side. Also some were as small as 5 inches, and as large as 12.
Finally, early vinyl microgrooves were only 10 inches. I used to have examples of all of these. Keep up the vinyl vibes!
Thinking about getting into this hobby I love music and I figured this is the best way to listen
Very instructive, i didn't knew there was a 80rpm type of disc ! Thanks for the video man !
Thanks for the video and the links in the description! An audiophile and musician like me really appreciates it!
Most 16 rpm records actually use a normal stylus. Only highway hifi records use the ultra microgroove
Shellac 78s come in different sizes. 5" 6" &" 9" 10" 12" 14" and higher. The largest size that I've seen was a 20" center start Pathe that played at 90 RPM. A few of the last 78s were pressed in Vinyl..
I have an Edison disc that I got from my uncle. It is dated at 1929, around the time that some of them actually started using the standard groove design. And as such, it is playable on a normal player, albeit at 78 rpm. Truly a miraculous sight.
Very cool video, enlightening too. So can't wait to get my own LP120 soon. Been stocking up on records for a few months.
Another cool mention is that Jack White had a liquid filled record pressed for his song Sixteen Saltines back in 2012.
+Matt Luttner Glad you liked it dude! More great stuff on the way!
This is a nice introduction! If I may tweak it just a touch: 78 rpm records also came in 12" and 7" sizes. Earlier, acoustic records on various labels were said to be 80 rpm on their sleeves because it was easiest to calibrate on a gramophone, which had a lever to adjust the speed. The reality is that many if not most of that era play at 78 as well as slower or faster; the recording equipment was run by pulleys.
The same goes for Edison DDs which, by the way, are not rare as records go; like any other, it depends on the title (very late ones, especially electrically recorded ones, are scarce, simply because they were the end of the line.)
The speed issue also affects Pathe Sapphire records which, like Edison DDs, had a vertically cut groove (until your video I've always seen it called "Hill and Dale" or, well, vertical cut.) Pathe records were made to be played only with a sapphire ball. A steel needle would trash it.
LPs were also 10" in the beginning, and it was quite common in those early days. The size was more novelty in the 70s and 80s (A&M issued The Police's Regatta Du Blanc that way, and Warner Bros. issued a Rikkie Lee Jones album that way) and there also were 7" 33rpm records, though not a format that took off beyond early juke box records and educational records. (Scholastic Books issued many.)
16 r.p.m records can be found in those three sizes as well.
One of the favorite little oddities I've stumbled upon is The Dillinger Escape Plan's Option Paralysis box set coming with a CD which has a bonus track on the flip-side on vinyl.
CD which doubles as a vinyl. Insane.
I hate those LP's that are a double album with three songs per side...like, argh!
+Xavier Rose I know right! I have to keep getting up to flip it every 5 minutes!!
+Vinyl Eyezz Exactly! 😂
I'd rather have that then all of the songs cramped together on one record
ELO's Out Of The Blue is a bit like that, but then again, it's also ELO. I saw some prog album where the whole of side 2 was one song.
Yeah that's how my copy of Amy Winehouse - Lioness Hidden Treasures is.
Saw a diamond disc today at an antique shop. It was in a pretty rough shape, chips on the edges, and scratches in the grooves. Let it slide because the price given was outrageously high given the condition
Today, included in a collection I bought was a duodisc aluminum record with a shellac top. Apparently these were actual records one could use to make recordings. This one will be on display since I do not currently have a 78 player. It is a little larger than a 45 and has a center hole and an off center locking hole to prevent it from slipping while making a recording.
+Bill Deacon wow that sounds like an interesting record!
I think Lazaretto deserves its own category for just being weird :)
Great video!
+Funky Moose Records I know right? haha it's such a great record!
At an audio museum I am on the board of we have got quite a few 18" 78 RPM discs. Many of them play from the centre out. This was done deliberately because in those days they were still read by a steel needle (even if it was held in an electromagnetic pickup). The idea was the needle would encounter the slower less trebley tracks whilst it was still fresh and when it was getting worn it would be in the region of the faster outer tracks, which of course always have more high end. The idea here being to kind of even up the frequency response over the disc. Naturally this would be irrelevant when using a diamond stylus.
It's common to think that things advanced from steel to diamond. But actually, the original phonographs used sapphire needles & as pointed out, the Edison "hill & dale" player used a diamond needle. They actually went to disposable steel needles to meet the demand for higher volume from these acoustically amplified machines. You can apply a lot more pressure to a record with a hardy piece of steel. Which means greater volume. There was even a deliberate abrasive compound put in the shellac mixture to quickly grind a new needle into the right shape by the record it was playing!
This is a very interesting video. I would like to add that there's actually 6 speeds for record playing. 16 2/3rpm isn't the slowest speed. There's even a slower speed which is 8 rpm which was used for talking books when they were produced for the blind and visually impaired readers back in the 70s and early 80s. The records were on flexible disc or standard hard discs like the 33 1/3 but were about maybe 10" in diameter. There was one time I had records that were children's bible stories on both the flexible and hard disc, except the size was probably around an 8" or 8 1/2" diameter and made it harder to play on a standard record player. The only record player(s). that I know of that played them with no problem were the astrosonic turntables found in magnavox console stereo systems, which my mother still has. You might want to include this if you decide to do an update on this video. Superior job on the presentation.
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Hiya Jarrett, there is one type of record I know of that you forgot to mention is the double groove records. On these records you could listen to either one of 2 different songs or pieces of music depending on which groove you drop the stylus into. I don't have any of those myself, YET. But I know they do exist. Do you have any of these in your collection?
Thanks for getting me through my Music coursework with this video c:
+Charlotte Pollock no problem! Thank you for watching! :D
Then there were also vinyl records with noise reduction systems. in the late 70's and early 80's the purpose was to provide better dynamics and reduce noise disturbances of various kinds. These vinyl records are still available for purchase today. but a decoder is required to take advantage of the noise reduction. if you do not have a turntable or amplifier with built-in function for it
78's were also made from Bakelite. I have a fair few of those.
RCA Dynaflex is another type of material that was used for 33 1/3 records that you would probably put into the Thin Category.
I'm ashamed to own Crosley.
+Stupid Tourist A Fisher-Price Phonograph, which uses a diamond needle, is much kinder to your records than a Crosley!
crosleys aren't the only bad record player company around! Enter innovative technology (aka IT) this Crosley wannabe (and by Crosley i mean the Chinese knockoff not the original company) is a bad imitation of a bad imitation of the original Crosley! the original Crosley record players were high quality (unlike the ones of today) I wouldn't be suprised that with some good restoration work and some tlc they (the original Crosleys) would still work today. Dont believe me? Ask my friend #radiotvphononut he knows all about them! in fact he eols modern Crosleys all the time! I'd do it myself but i don't have the nerve!
Same. I used to own one too. Until I came this channel and replaced it.
Get the AT LP60. It is pretty affordable, and is the best quality for a turntable that is less than $100 (the version without USB port)
Stupid Tourist Crosley is not the worst by far.
lol smooth groove does sound like a bad 70's band :D
+UNTITLED367 haha
Or bad hip hop "artist"
Your videos are so helpfull, brief and cool! Thank you so much.
10" and 12" maxi singles are not mentioned.
No mention of EP records, Extended Play 45 RPM records. In India, HMV came out with LP 45 records. LP sized records which played at 45 RPM speed. It was marketed for a short period around 1974 /1975. It had 2 or 3 songs on each side.
You forgot to mention the 45 extended play 2 songs on each side
I have a green marbled single by John Linnell in the shape of the 48 contiguous U.S. states. I'm loving your videos, btw! I wish I would've found them sooner, they would've saved me from some rookie mistakes x_x
Fab video. Just to add here. There are 16 rpm records at 12 inch with music on. I have some PYE, Fontana and CBS compilation 'sampler' LPS made in South Africa. The Prestige jazz label made some 12 inch 16's. A set of six. Don't forget a popular 45 rpm format the 12 inch mega mix Finally if you can find them! The US army made 33 rpm records that were 16 inch diameter to be played on the radio. Just played with out DJ. This also includes many smaller speech records that played at 8 rpm.
hi. 78's were still being produced in the 60's as the Beatles cut their first disc on a 78 in 1962 and also don't forget the 8 rpm discs that were around as well as they were produced for talking news or stories for the blind and also a lot of elevator musak used 8rpm as well as the 16rpm as well. Sorry to correct but also a huge vinyl fan 😀
Another great installment, thank you.
There is of course Shaped Picture discs which are a bit of a novelty.
Watching your video reminded of a disc I have. Whilst it's not my type of music I thought it was unusual as it says on the label "Speed 80." It's on the Columbia label and by The Condoliers with Take A Pair Of Sparkling Eyes on one side and No Possible Doubt Whatsoever on the other. Mabye this is one of the ultra rare discs you talked about.
John
This may have been mentioned, but while the Edison Diamond Discs will be ruined on the acoustic reproducers with steel needles, it is perfectly safe to play them on a modern turntable with a stereo cartridge and course groove stylus. Since they are vertically cut, the sound from the left output of the cartridge will be out of phase with the right output.
Simply just wire one side backwards, and then sum the outputs to “mono”. Alternatively, record in “stereo” and use software such as Audacity to “invert” one of the two channels. Then mix to mono.
WOW! Thank you for educating me on records. My neighbor gave me his old records and record player. YAY ;)
I have a 12” LP that plays at 45 RPMs (Joyce Manor - “Never Hungover Again”)
My grandma has a recording of her and her sisters singing for their dad on vinyl.
I actually got the Dawn of The Planet Of The Apes Music Score 2 LP, both on grey marble vinyl. So gorgeous!
+King Quan Productions nice!
Shout out for having Marika Hackman. Utter masterpiece that album
HI Jarrett, very cool video! I remember some special records that seemed to have enjoyed some popularity in the 60s. My mum used to show me several postcards that were larger than the ordinary ones, and they had a hole in the center. I could also see the grooves present in a traditional record. The back of this record-postcard was similar to that of any postcard: you could write a message, and the address to send the card. It was sent to mum by a European friend, and I guess they weren't written on the back, meaning they were sent inside an envelope. As my mum told me, they were very fragile, and she would never allowed me to touch and/or listen to them. A couple of weeks ago, I asked her about these cards and, unfortunately, she has no idea of what has become of them... Well... just wanted to share these memories with you all...
I have an Edison Vinyl, but it's damaged like the one in the video. I found it at my local thrift shop
When I got my record player my grandma gave me loads of records including quite a lot of 78's. One of them (Whole Lotta Shakin' goin' on - Jerry Lee Lewis) has a crack in it on the a side and an actual chip on the b-side and it still plays fine. It's the superman vinyl.
Cool! Sounds like an awesome 78!
You should make a new video about the types of records based on their materials, like Vinyl, PVC, Shellac, Acetate and others....
Oh dear, my grandpa has dozens of these wood flour ones, one broke in half, he just glued it back together and it still works after so many decades.
Pathé has the biggest record that is 20inch and also plays at the fastest speed: 120rpm
That Marika Hackman record in the back is amazing.
Nice video. I saw London Grammar on the wall. Was you pressing noisy on the first few tracks out of curiosity? Mine has some horrendous surface noise, pops, and ticks that not even my RCM can take out.
Nah, mine's a pretty good pressing! It's such a great album!
would the 180 gram record work on the AT-LP60 turntable?
thanks
Some more:
lacquer / acetate (very early discs for internal use only - they wear out extremely quickly and are used as a reference to see if it was cut and mastered properly)
flexi discs (mostly 5", made out of a flexible material and sometimes contained inside postcards)
shape discs (cut to a certain shape, so you have to look at the nearest circular part of the record to play it)
dynaflex (flexible vinyl records, I'm talking actual LPs - lower sound quality and cheaper manufacturing during the 70s)
styrene (mostly 7"ers made during the 70s - IIRC they need to be played with a conical stylus, as the others will mess them up; identified by their edges that are a bit thicker, as well as a typical gap between the label and runout)
7" EP type records (not all 7" records contain just one track per side)
maxi-single type records (mostly 10" and 12" - contain singles and sometimes variations of the single like remixes, instrumentals and a capella tracks - mostly electronic and hip hop releases, although this type of single started in the 70s and was popularised by disco artists; most UK maxis play at 45 RPM while some others play at 33 1/3)
90 RPM (basically the predecessor to 80 RPMs)
Very interesting never knew there were so many types other than the 4 main speed types other than the new colored ones you can see in the store to buy
Regarding Edison Diamond Discs, the "wood flour and china clay" is just the binder INSIDE the record. The actual record coating is "condensite," a phenolic resin similar to bakelite, a type of plastic. That's like saying a bullet is made of gunpowder.
Correct!
I did not know that! Thank you!
I've never thought of this kind of stuff when I'd go looking at any records. This is because when I think about records I strictly think about the bands that I want to collect the albums from. A couple of years back I found out just how someone can find out how to determine if an album is an original copy or not which is based on the serial number found on the sleeve and the actual record, then take that serial number and stick it in Google to help determine this. I haven't been buying vinyl for the last 2 years because I'm trying to find a decent pair of speakers that are of a good quality sound but don't cost too much in price because my turntable is hooked up to my laptop and the sound quality sucks for trying to record vinyl to turn into mp3s. I used to have my turntable hooked up to my desktop which had surround sound speakers by Logitech and they were good.
That's neat, I didn't know you could look them up by serial number!
+Vinyl Eyezz Considering that where I live there's no record store of any kind but this small city had an album sale about twice a year (even though I've not gone in the last two years) and one time I've managed to purchase an original Paul McCartney album for $1 that turned out to be an original copy and I stuck the serial number into Google to see what would come up and it was...but also the label on the vinyl itself had the apple logo from Apple Records so that also kind of told me. I first think about what artist I want to hunt for, then if the album is in good condition then try to find out what kind of a copy it is. I've never been one to collect 45s because I'm more for the album and of groups/artists that have been around for a long time that I really like. I've done some shopping on eBay before just for the fun of it and have gotten some good albums that way as well.
Anyone remember those Red Raven records, with the animations printed on the labels?
Colored shellac discs also exist ( it was during this era that black became the standard color for records) then there's vinyl 78s and even 78 rpm EPs
~ 3 Years Later and still interesting! Did not see that you covered the 7" singles in the USA released with small holes and playable at 33 1/3 r.p.m. in the short-lived Atlantic Records DSKO Disco Promo series. Might that be considered a special, separate category: it does seem to be a combination of norms, plus they were all released with full paper jackets, not Atlantic hole-cut sleeves. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
Cardboard records. Got my Archies , Bobby Sherman, Monkees, and Jackson 5 on them. Great video.
+wrowe12 Awesome! I was just playing some Jackson 5 today!
I have the complete "Alf" collection on cardboard records.
Lemme guess, your Monkees' single on cardboard records were Daydream Believer, am I correct?
When I was a little child, I had a few Fisher Price records that were about the same diameter as the 45 RPM vinyl records, which were made out of plastic (ABS?) in different colours and could only be played on a special Fisher Price toy record player that was made for small children.
I remember back in the 70's having a record that I cut out of a cereal box. It might have been Halloween sound affects.
I went to my local charity (thrift) shop and they had records, one of them was rather heavy it had the same thickness as a 78 but wasn't it was bigger than a 45 but smaller than a 33 and I had no idea what it was.
You forgot to mention a "Constant Linear Velocity" records an attempt to increase the recording time in early 1920s. The speed was measured in inches per second rather than revolution per minute. Their reason was if the sound quality is acceptable close to the record label they can keep that linear speed all the time. Some said it was cut from the inside out and at the beginning close to the record label they spin at 78 RPM and gradually slows down as it spirals outwards like a CD. I stumbled into it and googled for more and the results are conflicting whether it was cut from the inside out or outside in. One of those sources is Wikipedia under Gramophone record.
In 1933, RCA pressed TWO 78 RPM picture disc - one for Jimmie Rodgers and one for Enrico Caruso. I have a Jimmie Rodgers picture disc. ALSO: A 78 RPM Jimmie Rodgers disc was issued with Three grooves on one side - Rodgers Puzzle record. I have one of these. Vogue records released Vogue Picture Records in the 1940's.
Two things. 1st off, not only were there standard 45's, with one track per side. But there were also what was called EP 45's, AKA: Extended Play. RCA started doing that in the early 50's, they would pack two tracks per side on a 7inch 45. I also thought I would menton Philco Fords Hip Pocket records from the mid 60's. they were little 5 or 6 inch disks, and they featured all the hottest pop stars of the day, mainly marketed for teens. Each disk had a picture cover. Philco Ford produced a special transistor, battery player that ONLY played the hip pocket disks, and 45's.
should have added that size doesn't always factor into what RPM is it. there are 12" records that play at 45rpm and 10" that play at 33 1/3 rpm.
Back when I was a kid, they used to put songs on the back of cereal boxes. You cutr out the record and put it on you turntable and there you go. Pop songs like Bobby Sherman or the Monkees whatever was popular at the time. Ah the good old days.
I've only just found out about cardboard records! Would love to hear more about those and how they work, assuming they don't have traditional grooves like vinyl records.
I seem to remember seeing those on the back of cereal boxes.
If have ever seen Its A Wonderful Life you would remember that Mary Hatch was playing a recording of Buffalo Gals Won’t You Come Out Tonight when George Bailey came to visit at her house. She got mad at him and smashed her record. That was a 78;rpm record.
Thanks for making this video. Very helpful! I decided to get Audio Technica AT-LP5 for my first turntable. It's the cheapest HiFi turntable on the market right now I think :)
Nice! Enjoy your new turntable!
There was another kind of record, and was very popular as promo or as an insert on magazines, the Flexi Disc or SoundSheet made by EvaTone, some of these sounded very good.
I have a few sent as preview for production Music Libraries in the 90s and late 80s.
National Geographic Magazine issued some more, I remember one from an article on the Apollo mission to the moon.
There are many samples here on RUclips.
Thanks for creating this informative video! High quality and really interesting! =) Keep up the good work and cheers from Sweden! =D
I have a question: with thicker records, like the 180 gram records, do you need to change something about your tone arm like the height? Btw I'm getting my AT lp 120 tomorrow, thanks for helping me making my decision!!
No, I've found that having my tonearm at the lowest height ( 0 on the LP-120) works great on all sizes of records! Have fun with your new Turntable!
+Vinyl Eyezz Great, so no worries there then :) Thanks!
Edison discs were called "hill and dale" or vertical groove records. The analog sound is modulated vertically in an Edison disc. Pathé Records in France also made vertical-groove records but had to be played with a 9-mil stylus.
We had some of those Edison records at a library I used to work at. I remember looking at them and being amazed at how thick they were. The librarian did not see the value of them and took them out of circulation. Which means they ended up in the dumpster.
I have a bunch of edison 16rpm records, I play them on a Victrola cabinet, its awesome. I also have the smooth groove records, the demo disc from edison is cool.
nice! I'd love to get a Victrola someday!
Nope, Victrola is a name brand and will not play Edison records. You're playing them on an Edison.
+Vinyl Eyezz lol just sold a fully working brunswick with tons of needles and heavies for a song. no one wants these things anymore, i cried. at least it didnt go into the dumpster, had a major lack of space issue.
Phu Vet Edison records was out of business by the time 16ropm records were around... Edison only had 78rpm record and wax cylinders...
didn't time magazine release an 8 rpm record, and even slower Third Man Records 3 rpm record
16rpm WAS used for music, in the Seabreeze Background Music System. Someone already mentioned the 8RPM talking books, but I will mention the 100RPM Pathe disc which starts at the centre of the record and uses a ball stylus...there are great videos about all of these on RUclips.
Don't you mean Seeburg?
Hi mate
Speaking about speeds - maybe you can made a video about explaining difference between 33 and 45 pressings?
What is the difference between mastering, etc.
Thanks in advance
4:14 Fun fact: this is how I used to think normal records functioned, when I initially heard them described on _BTN_ as a kid.
5:26 "THAT'TH WAYTHITHT!!!"
Great work. Just starting my own collection and I can't wait. Really pumped thanks for the awesome work.
I got a primus album called green Naugahyde 12” that is a 45 speed. It’s not just singles
I have a few records which have a 45 rpm side, and a 33 rpm side. How common is this? or is it just this particular genre I've got?
P.S almost all of them are 7'' single records.
This will almost certainly be because of the content that's on them. As you might know, a 33/3 rpm record can hold ~20 minutes on each side, when talking about the 12" variety. a 7" 45 rpm record holds up to 5, 6 minutes at the most, per side. If a song lasted longer than this, two things could be done to overcome the time constraints. One: press a 10", or even a 12" 45 rpm disk, which would ramp up the quantity of information that could be pressed onto one side, whilst preserving the (mostly higher) sound quality of 45 rpm records. Another method, that was slightly less common, was to keep using the 7" 'form factor', but to bring the speed down to 33rpm, which would give you about 8, 9 minutes of audio per side. I myself haven't seen many 33rpm 7" records, let alone any mix-types where one side would be 45 rpm and the other would be 33 rpm. If it would be up to me, that would make these fit into the 10th category of this video...
Those specialty records are sick!
This is a good start for a beginner. That said take a look at the record regardless of the size. I've been listening to my 7 inch records I've been collecting. I had two that were 33 & 1/3 even though they are only 7 inches. I have a U2 7 inch from the Rattle & Hum period where one side is a 33 & 1/3 and the other side was a 45 rpm. I have 10 inch records that have the same disposition shall we say.
I also have 12 inch 45 RPM records too. The speciality discs are cool and I have a promo that is Marianne Faithfull that is a brief recording on the front of a post card!
While I enjoy spinning records I feel that the prices of new records have gone way out of control. So I can pick up a new CD release and it will be roughly between $8 and $11 on sale. I don't really get why the record is north of $20. This is not new technology and I get there is a demand but brand new albums can be had for $15 in original shrink wrap. For example I love Brian Fallon but the new vinyl was 2.5 times the cost of the CD! You get a download code but that's not really putting the record company out anything. There is no physical product to push or cost the artist.
If you like an artist make sure to support them. Buy their albums, go to their shows, tell them that they matter. If you take care of your records they can easily last a lifetime or longer.