That is awesome! Check out our channel for more videos. And if you live in the Chicagoland area or are interested in moving to this area after HS, we have a hands-on training program for that and we help get you placed at a heating and cooling dealer also.
8:13 - Liquid line drier's function is to keep any debris from reaching the compressor. Correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm still just a student, but isn't the compressor a vapor pump?
@@TECTubefilms I thought that liquid could/would damage the compressor and that it was necessary for the refrigerant to be in a vapor state prior to entering the compressor? Wouldn't that mean it's a pumping machine designed to only handle vapor? Or can it also pump liquid?
@@TECTubefilms Actually now that I look at it again, the device that you pointing at 8:10 to 8:16 looks like it is connected to the discharge side of the reversing valve. If that is the case wouldn't that be a muffler? I'm going through my heat pump training now and I don't recall there being a liquid discharge from the compressor ever mentioned during lecture, am I seeing it wrong? The way they have us drawing our plumbing or refrigerant flow diagram is with a bi-flow filter drier between the indoor coil and the outdoor coil. Also could you explain exactly what the nuanced differences are between the term compressor and vapor pump? Is it because a vapor pump wouldn't compress the substrate where a compressor would?
@@hvacstudent967 A pump moves a fluid. A compressor lowers the volume or raises the pressure of a fluid. Since HVAC is a closed system and the volume is fixed, it raises the pressure. Because of PV=nRT, when the pressure is increased so is the temperature. The goal is to have a higher temp than the ambient so we can reject heat at the condenser coil.
@@hvacstudent967 You are correct that we don't want liquid refrigerant coming back to the inlet of the compressor because liquids are relatively in-compressible. But this has nothing to do your desire to call the compressor a pump.
Just out of curiosity so What is the setup for a heat pump condenser in a traditional house? I know for regular AC you have AC condenser outside and then inside you have your gas furnace with coil on top. So what is the setup with heat pump condenser if the heat pump does cooling and heating? What goes inside the house?
Normally on the inside component is a fan coil (also called an air handler). It is the blower and an evaporator coil all in one box. It is about the size of a furnace.
You could also have a dual fuel system where the indoor side has a gas furnace and evaporator coil and outside is the heat pump. In that case, everything looks 100% visually identical to a traditional A/C and furnace but a couple extra internal components. With a dual fuel system you can either heat with gas or with the heat pump depending on your current fuel costs and your system capacity and efficiency. It is flexible.
@@TECTubefilms Don't forget about those of us that are all electric. My 5 ton American standard uses a 20Kwh heat strip (rarely has to use it in Arkansas winters). Also just realized something why are gas furnaces so huge my entire electric air handler was barely 54 in tall. The gas system I came from was massive compared to it that thing took up the entire cabnet it was in.
You are correct. The heat pump in the video is a Carrier 25HPA and it uses pressure switches. Some of Carrier's heat pumps, such as a 25VNA use both pressure switches and pressure transducers. For those unfamiliar, a transducer will send a specific pressure reading to the circuit board (and possibly the thermostat) to be used to make decisions. A switch will simply open or close at a specific pressure, thereby letting the control system know the pressure is too high, for example, but not telling it what the actual pressure reading is. Switches are lower cost than transducers. Thanks for the correction @movax20h
@@TECTubefilms Absolutely, the transducers or "sensors" are more accurate, and smart, when tied with controller or computer, and allow for diagnostic, leak detection, and other stuff. And they operation can be changed dynamically, i.e. with different load, ambient, change of compressor, coils, or refrigerant. But yeah they are more expensive usually. Also pressure switches are more reliable and can switch higher currents, so they can act as safety switches to stop compressor for example. Sensors / transducer don't have that feature directly, but are under control of controller, if it also fails, there is some small probability that it will keep compressor running. Very unlikely tho. No idea what are the regulations.
Yea I noticed a bunch of glossed over inaccuracies in some other areas of the video myself.. The capacitor descriptions were kind of terrible.. I wish these kinds of videos didn't exist. Don't report on stuff as an expert unless you actually know what you're talking about
@@TECTubefilms Do you know the brand/model of the pressure switches for r410a? The video shows a "Sensata ps80". I found online that for r410a the high-pressure switch should open at 600 psig and close at 500 psig while the low pressure switch will open at 50 psig. Is this correct? Do you also know a good brand/model for HVAC pressure transducer?
I have to learn as I go this guys are real job protection types they try to keep the secrets to themselves. For job security or they send me up here to get a electrocuted. And say it was a accident.????? Navy Veteran Electrician learned skills ship yards and petty officer.
The two coils switch jobs as the heat pump switches from cooling mode to heating mode. So in cooling mode, the evaporator is indoors with the blower and the coil outside is called the condenser coil. But in heating mode, the outdoor coil becomes the evaporator coil and the indoor coil becomes the condenser coil.
Air conditioning units can indeed function as a unit heatpump with the addition of accessories and there is also a live-made and already sold in the market
It is usually the other way around. Lower airflow often causes the ice to form. Restrictions such as a dirty filter, dirty evaporator coil, or closing off registers are generally the cause of too low of an airflow. Although, refrigerant pressure can also be the suspect.
The job of the indoor coil in cooling mode is to absorb heat from the conditioned space. If you don't have enough airflow over that coil, it won't absorb enough heat and the temperature will drop below freezing (it's designed to be approximately 40F). An improper charge can also be a cause. In heating mode, the outdoor coil is designed to pick up heat from outside, so it is designed to be 20-25 degrees below the outdoor air temperature. When the outdoor air drops below 50, the outdoor coil is going to be below freezing by design. So, any moisture in the air will start to freeze on the coil and piping. To fix this, heat pumps have a defrost mode, that engages on regular time intervals and the temperature of the outdoor coil. If the defrost mode isn't working correctly, or you have poor air flow (leaves, grass, dirt, patio furniture, etc on the coil) or incorrect charge, will lead to ice buildup as well.
Thank you very much for the information. I just had my Carrier heat pump, coil and gas furnace installed by a company a few months ago. But there is always a mild baseline sound probably from the transformer even when the system is not running at all. Is it normal? There is a WetSwitch attached to the unit. Does it cause the minimal sound? Thanks
Thanks for the response. It is like minimal humming sound from the lower part of the unit where the transformer and blower are. But anyway, it is still possibly normal if there is a minimal sound when the system is not working, or any sound would be abnormal when the system is not running?
@@beckhamzhang4805 For the furnace, no noticeable sound would be normal when the system is off. For the outdoor heat pump, if you have a 25VNA model, then a slight high frequency sound could exist from the inverter even in the off state.
@@TECTubefilms Thank you very much for the information. It is very helpful. Can you hear high frequency sound of the inverter (in the off state) only from outside close to the heat pump, or can you hear it from the inside unit in the basement? The system I initially ordered was listed below. But on the day of installation, 58CVA110-20 was replaced by 58TNOA110C21-20. I was told 58CVA110-20 was out of market. 58TNOA110C21-20 is the same as 58CVA110-20. Does this change affect the sound? Carrier Infinity 25VNA8 Heat Pump 4 Ton + 58CVA Furnace 110 BTU, ! AHRI Matched INCLUDES Carrier® Infinity - 4 Ton 18 SEER Residential Variable Speed Heat Pump Condensing Unit Carrier® Infinity 80% AFUE 110000 Btuh Variable Speed Multipoise Gas Furnace 4 Ton Evaporator N Coil Cased Vertical Upflow /Downflow Painted 21" Width (Aluminum) HSPF: 10 | SEER: 18 | EER: 10.5 |AFUE: 80 |CC: 45000 FEATURES Sound reduction: fully insulated cabinet and QuieTech noise reduction Technology: Variable-speed blower motor Also include the following accessories: Carrier® - SYSTXCCITC01-B Infinity® System Control with Wi-Fi® Aprilaire - Large Capacity Whole-House Bypass Humidifier With Manual Control Thanks again.
The sound/noise is like the one from a bad ballast of fluorescent light when you turn it on, or the one from a transformer of a doorbell with short circuit in a raining day. The sound is mild. I can hear it when I walk very close to it. Or it maybe a resonance, an echo from the hollow system and other nearby appliances. It is an expensive system. Hope it can last for some years, and don't break down so soon.
Yes, heat pumps can be used interchangeably with traditional cooling-only A/C. Other than the thermostat wiring, all other components are identical for the indoor equipment that you would pair with a heat pump. Same model numbers and everything. The thermostat may need to change or at a minimum be re-wired. In some replacement scenarios... for both A/C or heat pump... the indoor equipment and refrigerant piping cannot be re-used. This is not because it is a heat pump, but because the indoor equipment is too old to be properly paired with any modern A/C or heat pump.
@@TECTubefilms Thanks very much for your reply...looks like the heat pump function would simply not be wired up (ignored) so the reverse flow is not used. Is this essentially correct?
@@josefprem4535 It would depend on if the specific heat pump in question needed its reversing valve energized for cooling mode or if it needed it energized for heating mode.
@@TECTubefilms I have an opportunity to purchase some Haier 4 ton units at a very reasonable cost. My two 4 ton units at my home are 4 ton and i have a 4 ton and a 3 1/2 ton at my vacation home. My home has gas heat and no heat pumps while the vacation home has elec heat and does have heat pumps. I was thinking of buying these as a potential replacement for my home since they are 15 years old.
Question: I have a one and a half ton 220volts split unit AC. After few seconds of turning it on the clamp meter reads 22A then rise to reach 37A for few seconds then it stops and the clamp meter reads zero or 0.1A. What could be the problem ?
What is the small black component next to compressor? Mine is a little leaking where it connects to the vertical copper round tube. Are they bolted? Do you by any chance know how to fix it? Also thanks for this useful video!
The suction line is attached to the accumulator. This line is cold because of the low pressure the refrigerant (Freon) entering the compressor. It will condensate water vapor in the air. This is a good sign. However if you ever have to add refrigerant to your unit you have a leak. Some people think the refrigerant needs to be added every year. This is false. If a technician has to add refrigerant there is a problem, a refrigerant leak. There are 2 types of refrigerant used in residential hvac units R-22 and D-410A. R-22 is being phased out and and is expensive. R-410A is the new type of refrigerant. Fun fact, Freon is a name brand like frisbee. DuPont calls it Freon. In the hvac industry we call it refrigerant.
@@Reisskraft Thank you for a reply. What is the reason they use an accumulator. The receiver offers a greater range of working conditions, while accumulator can only offer a part of that?
@@Reisskraft i am aware of the function accumulator has. My question is why not use liquid line receiver with pump down. It offers bigger range and safer running as i know
The compressor is one component inside the heat pump. Other major components include the outdoor coil, the outdoor fan, and the reversing valve. And then of course the main blower and the indoor coil which are generally inside the building unless you have a packaged system.
The A/C was a Payne PA3ANA and the heat pump was a Carrier 25HNA. Both were 2006 vintage from when that particular lab was built. The heat pump was more recently replaced with an inverter unit.
There is a blue piece connected to the back of my system, on some lines its soda can size. I'm trying to figure out what it's called. Its leaking. Sorry I dont know the proper terminology.
It is likely a drier or a muffler. It would be unusual for the device itself to leak. It is more likely leaking at the connection point between the device and the pipe.
Transducers take pressures and in return translate to a processor as holms or resistance aka electrical DC or digital signals. This unit he is talking about does not employs transducers, thoes were high pressure and low pressure on off dumb switches they brake and on contact based on pressure excessively high or too low...
He just made it easier to comprehend. It is in a sense storage device. It is used to correct for inductance of motor, and improve power factor. You don't pay really for apparent power in residential settings, but it is kind of important for HVAC, because there is so many of them, that it would wreck a havoc on a power grid, if not corrected for.
The more complex unit will save you money on your energy bills, but with potential repair cost, that becomes negligible for a lot of people that own them.
Most of the "more complex" units you are talking about do have a 10 year warranty. We might also compare your comment to folks that said "do not buy a Prius because a replacement battery costs so much." The first Prius came out in the late 90s and we have still not know anyone that had to buy a battery. We would also add that in most cases, people do not buy a more complex unit solely for energy savings. Most do it for improved comfort in their home (multiple stages or fully variable capacity).
A 10 year warranty is not much considering the costs of these units and the repair costs can be considerable and easily blow the savings out of the water once there are problems out of warranty. lol
Some will hold up and last for some people, but I know people that have had big issues. Ultimately though the choice is up to you as a homeowner and if you are looking for that perfect temperature and humidity control you have to spend considerable money to obtain that.
The units we illustrated in this particular video are not particularly complex. They are pretty much standard 2-stage scroll units. Nothing overly sexy. A lot of the higher-end residential systems have moved to inverter driven compressors over the past 5 years to provide more than 2-stages. Things can then get a little more complex (and expensive) because of the inverter, the control board, and the ECM condenser motor.
But man.. . the comfort I get at my house... the dehumidification control... precision temperature... the energy savings... crazy quiet sound levels... individual control over different temperatures on each floor... it is awesome!!! If you don't want all that, then maybe just buy a couple window air conditioners.
We are not familiar with this particular issue. Is this when you turn cooling on for the first time or heating? If heating, what type of heat is it (gas, electric, heat pump, etc.)?
@@TECTubefilms Heat pump,heat yes the first time..But I'm curious as to what the inside looks like I also have a light on mine to kill bacteria I'm guessing
The “burning” smell is common with electric heat or gas heat as dust on the heat exchanger warms up for the first time of the season. It is not something we experience with heat pumps because that heat exchanger is also your cooling heat exchanger and it also does not get as hot.
i'm no expert or anything why is there a circuit board on the outdoor condenser that may not last long from the outdoor elements and also that insulation on the compressor asking to burn itself up.
It is "weather proofed" by being inside the enclosure and the board itself has a coating to avoid corrosion. Carrier and other manufacturers have been putting circuit boards in condensing units, rooftop units, and chillers since the 1980s.
The board is outside, because major electrical components of compressor and condenser fan are there, so there is less cables to run to it. Board is under cover and sometimes conformally coated. The boards getting wet are almost never a failure mode. Motors, contactors, capacitors, compressors, clogged lines, leaks, dust on condenser, bad electrical screw connections are usually issues. Also notice that the compressor is cooled by the fan in the unit. As of the insulation on the compressor, it is not exactly insulation. It is sound insulation. So it is not as thermally insulating as real thermal insulation. But yes it does insulate. However this is a second stage compressor afaik, and it moves liquids at much lower temperature in the first place so this liquid makes the compressor cooler during operation. In fact this compressor might need insulation to not freeze up. Just a guess.
Good response movax20h. The compressor "insulation," is, in fact, for sound purposes. It is one of many features that can reduce noise. You will find these on most higher end models.
We will also add that the compressor itself does not need to reject heat to the air. It rejects its "motor waste heat" to the refrigerant. In other words, the compressor is refrigerant cooled, not air cooled.
@@TECTubefilms Exactly. But not all compressors are like that. I think this applies here because it is second stage compressor, and even the compressed vapour is pretty low temperature compared to ambient.
"To-may-to OR to-mah-to." Both Thermal Expansion Valve and Thermostatic Expansion Valve are acceptable terms in the HVAC industry and you will find both used interchangeably in manufacturer's literature. In the case of the Carrier CNPVP coil utilized in the video, the installation manual that came with that coil uses "thermal" but the product data sheet uses "thermostatic."
OBTW, that is not a liquid line drier in there on top of the compressor in the compressor discharge line, it is a muffler. Also, those are pressure switches not transducers. Maybe you should re-tape this video.
Haha... didn't even realize we had a Bryant poster. We do distribute both Carrier and Bryant, as well as Heil, Payne, WeatherMaker, and Day & Night. From a service standpoint, as you mentioned, the components are all the same. From a business and marketing standpoint, there are many differences.
You would not remove heat from a furnace at all. The purpose of a heat pump is to both heat and cool a structure. When in cooling mode because the building is too warm, it would remove heat from the space and reject it outside... just like a standard air conditioner. When it is in heating mode because the building is too cold, it extracts heat from the air outdoors and "pumps" it into the building.
@@movax20h The only meaningful extra component difference between an air conditioner and a heat pump is the addition of the reversing valve which allows the evaporator and condenser coils to switch job functions.
In this video, we only used air source heat pumps (ASHP), which include two refrigerant-to-air heat exchangers... one on the indoor unit and on the outdoor unit. A water source heat pump (WSHP) would have one refrigerant-to-air and one refrigerant-to-water heat exchanger. You can also have a hydronic heat pump to make cold or hot water and those would have two refrigerant-to-air heat exchangers.
You are not wrong, however this channel (and our company in general) normally only deal with HVAC Contractors so hopefully new techs at those companies have also been trained by their company on safety aspects.
@@TECTubefilms I get that BUT individuals who are looking for information on hvac stumble across your channel and watch it and see oh they didn't pull the disconnect. We deal with electricity and new people don't get it like contractors and experts 🙄 just pointing that out!
Nice intro for new beginners, the are probably lost, but as a refrigeration 313A, mechanic, great video, keep up the good work
I'm a teenager getting interested in HVAC and this video was very helpful on explaining stuff and I'm glad I watched this video, Thank You!
That is awesome! Check out our channel for more videos. And if you live in the Chicagoland area or are interested in moving to this area after HS, we have a hands-on training program for that and we help get you placed at a heating and cooling dealer also.
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greetings what a wonderfull channel. I'd like to know if the state equation can be applied at the entrance of the expansion valve
8:13 - Liquid line drier's function is to keep any debris from reaching the compressor.
Correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm still just a student, but isn't the compressor a vapor pump?
The compressor is not the same as a vapor pump.
@@TECTubefilms I thought that liquid could/would damage the compressor and that it was necessary for the refrigerant to be in a vapor state prior to entering the compressor? Wouldn't that mean it's a pumping machine designed to only handle vapor? Or can it also pump liquid?
@@TECTubefilms Actually now that I look at it again, the device that you pointing at 8:10 to 8:16 looks like it is connected to the discharge side of the reversing valve. If that is the case wouldn't that be a muffler?
I'm going through my heat pump training now and I don't recall there being a liquid discharge from the compressor ever mentioned during lecture, am I seeing it wrong?
The way they have us drawing our plumbing or refrigerant flow diagram is with a bi-flow filter drier between the indoor coil and the outdoor coil.
Also could you explain exactly what the nuanced differences are between the term compressor and vapor pump? Is it because a vapor pump wouldn't compress the substrate where a compressor would?
@@hvacstudent967 A pump moves a fluid. A compressor lowers the volume or raises the pressure of a fluid. Since HVAC is a closed system and the volume is fixed, it raises the pressure. Because of PV=nRT, when the pressure is increased so is the temperature. The goal is to have a higher temp than the ambient so we can reject heat at the condenser coil.
@@hvacstudent967 You are correct that we don't want liquid refrigerant coming back to the inlet of the compressor because liquids are relatively in-compressible. But this has nothing to do your desire to call the compressor a pump.
Just out of curiosity so What is the setup for a heat pump condenser in a traditional house? I know for regular AC you have AC condenser outside and then inside you have your gas furnace with coil on top. So what is the setup with heat pump condenser if the heat pump does cooling and heating? What goes inside the house?
Normally on the inside component is a fan coil (also called an air handler). It is the blower and an evaporator coil all in one box. It is about the size of a furnace.
You could also have a dual fuel system where the indoor side has a gas furnace and evaporator coil and outside is the heat pump. In that case, everything looks 100% visually identical to a traditional A/C and furnace but a couple extra internal components. With a dual fuel system you can either heat with gas or with the heat pump depending on your current fuel costs and your system capacity and efficiency. It is flexible.
Ah OK thanks!
@@TECTubefilms Don't forget about those of us that are all electric. My 5 ton American standard uses a 20Kwh heat strip (rarely has to use it in Arkansas winters). Also just realized something why are gas furnaces so huge my entire electric air handler was barely 54 in tall. The gas system I came from was massive compared to it that thing took up the entire cabnet it was in.
@@Brad.W Didn't forget about them... he specifically asked about furnaces.
That was a great explanation. Keep up the good work
6:45 It is not a pressure transducer. It is a pressure switch. Big difference.
You are correct. The heat pump in the video is a Carrier 25HPA and it uses pressure switches. Some of Carrier's heat pumps, such as a 25VNA use both pressure switches and pressure transducers. For those unfamiliar, a transducer will send a specific pressure reading to the circuit board (and possibly the thermostat) to be used to make decisions. A switch will simply open or close at a specific pressure, thereby letting the control system know the pressure is too high, for example, but not telling it what the actual pressure reading is. Switches are lower cost than transducers. Thanks for the correction @movax20h
@@TECTubefilms Absolutely, the transducers or "sensors" are more accurate, and smart, when tied with controller or computer, and allow for diagnostic, leak detection, and other stuff. And they operation can be changed dynamically, i.e. with different load, ambient, change of compressor, coils, or refrigerant. But yeah they are more expensive usually. Also pressure switches are more reliable and can switch higher currents, so they can act as safety switches to stop compressor for example. Sensors / transducer don't have that feature directly, but are under control of controller, if it also fails, there is some small probability that it will keep compressor running. Very unlikely tho. No idea what are the regulations.
@@movax20h For small residential systems like this one, neither is required by regulation and most entry level units have neither.
Yea I noticed a bunch of glossed over inaccuracies in some other areas of the video myself.. The capacitor descriptions were kind of terrible.. I wish these kinds of videos didn't exist. Don't report on stuff as an expert unless you actually know what you're talking about
@@TECTubefilms Do you know the brand/model of the pressure switches for r410a? The video shows a "Sensata ps80". I found online that for r410a the high-pressure switch should open at 600 psig and close at 500 psig while the low pressure switch will open at 50 psig. Is this correct? Do you also know a good brand/model for HVAC pressure transducer?
Thank you very much professor for this class,so this lesson will have helped for my Air-conditioning class.
Do you recommend the sound blanket to be fire proof?
I work at Casino with little training on RTU systems I was send to turn on the final stage of RTU#7 what the held is that the heating stage,????
I have to learn as I go this guys are real job protection types they try to keep the secrets to themselves.
For job security or they send me up here to get a electrocuted. And say it was a accident.?????
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Where is the evaporator coil located with the heat pump system ?
The two coils switch jobs as the heat pump switches from cooling mode to heating mode. So in cooling mode, the evaporator is indoors with the blower and the coil outside is called the condenser coil. But in heating mode, the outdoor coil becomes the evaporator coil and the indoor coil becomes the condenser coil.
@@TECTubefilms So in any heat pump system, will there always be an inside coil, or do some systems have both coils outside ?
@@truthseekerKJV There must be a coil inside. In the summer that coil needs to remote heat from the indoors and in the winter, it adds heat.
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Air conditioning units can indeed function as a unit heatpump with the addition of accessories and there is also a live-made and already sold in the market
Question please, I have my heat pump is not kicking in unless I rest system power for 30 min, any clue pleas. Thanks in advance.
What is the heatest parts of the aircon components sir
I would like for u to explain heat pump on the chart board
The service valves don’t need to be opened or closed during a maintenance.
Marine heat-pumps are a little more complex but basically the same.
Thank you for all the info, you have a good explanation
Why does ice buildup on tubing around components, and can that cause lower air flow and warmer air coming into house?
It is usually the other way around. Lower airflow often causes the ice to form. Restrictions such as a dirty filter, dirty evaporator coil, or closing off registers are generally the cause of too low of an airflow. Although, refrigerant pressure can also be the suspect.
The job of the indoor coil in cooling mode is to absorb heat from the conditioned space. If you don't have enough airflow over that coil, it won't absorb enough heat and the temperature will drop below freezing (it's designed to be approximately 40F). An improper charge can also be a cause. In heating mode, the outdoor coil is designed to pick up heat from outside, so it is designed to be 20-25 degrees below the outdoor air temperature. When the outdoor air drops below 50, the outdoor coil is going to be below freezing by design. So, any moisture in the air will start to freeze on the coil and piping. To fix this, heat pumps have a defrost mode, that engages on regular time intervals and the temperature of the outdoor coil. If the defrost mode isn't working correctly, or you have poor air flow (leaves, grass, dirt, patio furniture, etc on the coil) or incorrect charge, will lead to ice buildup as well.
Thank you very much for the information. I just had my Carrier heat pump, coil and gas furnace installed by a company a few months ago. But there is always a mild baseline sound probably from the transformer even when the system is not running at all. Is it normal? There is a WetSwitch attached to the unit. Does it cause the minimal sound? Thanks
Sorry, without hearing the sound, we cannot guess where it is coming from or if it is normal.
Thanks for the response. It is like minimal humming sound from the lower part of the unit where the transformer and blower are. But anyway, it is still possibly normal if there is a minimal sound when the system is not working, or any sound would be abnormal when the system is not running?
@@beckhamzhang4805 For the furnace, no noticeable sound would be normal when the system is off. For the outdoor heat pump, if you have a 25VNA model, then a slight high frequency sound could exist from the inverter even in the off state.
@@TECTubefilms Thank you very much for the information. It is very helpful. Can you hear high frequency sound of the inverter (in the off state) only from outside close to the heat pump, or can you hear it from the inside unit in the basement?
The system I initially ordered was listed below. But on the day of installation, 58CVA110-20 was replaced by 58TNOA110C21-20. I was told 58CVA110-20 was out of market. 58TNOA110C21-20 is the same as 58CVA110-20. Does this change affect the sound?
Carrier Infinity 25VNA8 Heat Pump 4 Ton + 58CVA Furnace 110 BTU, ! AHRI Matched
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Carrier® Infinity - 4 Ton 18 SEER Residential Variable Speed Heat Pump Condensing Unit
Carrier® Infinity 80% AFUE 110000 Btuh Variable Speed Multipoise Gas Furnace
4 Ton Evaporator N Coil Cased Vertical Upflow /Downflow Painted 21" Width (Aluminum)
HSPF: 10 | SEER: 18 | EER: 10.5 |AFUE: 80 |CC: 45000
FEATURES
Sound reduction: fully insulated cabinet and QuieTech noise reduction
Technology: Variable-speed blower motor
Also include the following accessories:
Carrier® - SYSTXCCITC01-B Infinity® System Control with Wi-Fi®
Aprilaire - Large Capacity Whole-House Bypass Humidifier With Manual
Control
Thanks again.
The sound/noise is like the one from a bad ballast of fluorescent light when you turn it on, or the one from a transformer of a doorbell with short circuit in a raining day. The sound is mild. I can hear it when I walk very close to it. Or it maybe a resonance, an echo from the hollow system and other nearby appliances. It is an expensive system. Hope it can last for some years, and don't break down so soon.
Can a heat pump be used to replace a compressor with using existing indoor system?
Yes, heat pumps can be used interchangeably with traditional cooling-only A/C. Other than the thermostat wiring, all other components are identical for the indoor equipment that you would pair with a heat pump. Same model numbers and everything. The thermostat may need to change or at a minimum be re-wired.
In some replacement scenarios... for both A/C or heat pump... the indoor equipment and refrigerant piping cannot be re-used. This is not because it is a heat pump, but because the indoor equipment is too old to be properly paired with any modern A/C or heat pump.
@@TECTubefilms Thanks very much for your reply...looks like the heat pump function would simply not be wired up (ignored) so the reverse flow is not used. Is this essentially correct?
@@josefprem4535 It would depend on if the specific heat pump in question needed its reversing valve energized for cooling mode or if it needed it energized for heating mode.
@@josefprem4535 Why wouldn't you want to use the heating function of the heat pump?
@@TECTubefilms I have an opportunity to purchase some Haier 4 ton units at a very reasonable cost. My two 4 ton units at my home are 4 ton and i have a 4 ton and a 3 1/2 ton at my vacation home. My home has gas heat and no heat pumps while the vacation home has elec heat and does have heat pumps. I was thinking of buying these as a potential replacement for my home since they are 15 years old.
Question:
I have a one and a half ton 220volts split unit AC. After few seconds of turning it on the clamp meter reads 22A then rise to reach 37A for few seconds then it stops and the clamp meter reads zero or 0.1A. What could be the problem ?
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Thank you for your answer.
What is the small black component next to compressor? Mine is a little leaking where it connects to the vertical copper round tube. Are they bolted? Do you by any chance know how to fix it? Also thanks for this useful video!
There are multiple black components by the compressor. The two cylinder looking ones are a muffler and a receiver.
@@TECTubefilms Thanks for you rely. AT 7:41 - I guess you said something sounds like 'ikyo͞omēlātə'?
The suction line is attached to the accumulator. This line is cold because of the low pressure the refrigerant (Freon) entering the compressor. It will condensate water vapor in the air. This is a good sign. However if you ever have to add refrigerant to your unit you have a leak. Some people think the refrigerant needs to be added every year. This is false. If a technician has to add refrigerant there is a problem, a refrigerant leak. There are 2 types of refrigerant used in residential hvac units R-22 and D-410A. R-22 is being phased out and and is expensive. R-410A is the new type of refrigerant. Fun fact, Freon is a name brand like frisbee. DuPont calls it Freon. In the hvac industry we call it refrigerant.
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Where is the liquid line receiver, and how does one in heat pump differ from "normal" one
They use an accumulator not a liquid line receiver.
@@Reisskraft Thank you for a reply. What is the reason they use an accumulator. The receiver offers a greater range of working conditions, while accumulator can only offer a part of that?
They use an accumulator to prevent liquid from entering the compressor they usually install a liquid line drier.
@@Reisskraft i am aware of the function accumulator has. My question is why not use liquid line receiver with pump down. It offers bigger range and safer running as i know
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Are the compressor are diferent for heat pump
The compressor is one component inside the heat pump. Other major components include the outdoor coil, the outdoor fan, and the reversing valve. And then of course the main blower and the indoor coil which are generally inside the building unless you have a packaged system.
@@TECTubefilms Also, there should be a "SUCTION LINE ACCUMULATOR" located within the condenser cabinet.
What manufacturer and model heat pump is that?
The first unit in the video is a Payne A/C and the second unit is a Carrier heat pump. Don't know the model numbers off hand.
The A/C was a Payne PA3ANA and the heat pump was a Carrier 25HNA. Both were 2006 vintage from when that particular lab was built. The heat pump was more recently replaced with an inverter unit.
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Thank You! for the video.
You need to know this stuff if you own a house with a HVAC system.
There is a blue piece connected to the back of my system, on some lines its soda can size. I'm trying to figure out what it's called. Its leaking. Sorry I dont know the proper terminology.
It is likely a drier or a muffler. It would be unusual for the device itself to leak. It is more likely leaking at the connection point between the device and the pipe.
@@TECTubefilms thank you. And yes that's where its leaking
my heatpump comes on 2 degress after it should then stays on 5or6 degrees to longe
Those delays are controlled by the thermostat. For most thermostats, they are adjustable in the installer screens of the stat.
Hi, is HITACHI scroll compressor 410 gas good ?
Sorry, we are not familiar with Hitachi.
@@TECTubefilms i thinks you femiller with copland compressor?
Transducers take pressures and in return translate to a processor as holms or resistance aka electrical DC or digital signals. This unit he is talking about does not employs transducers, thoes were high pressure and low pressure on off dumb switches they brake and on contact based on pressure excessively high or too low...
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Sir you said there is two type of contactor please explain the function of two type contactor
We don't recall mentioning two types of contactors in this video or other videos.
5:59 he explains there are two contactors on the second unit
@@Apkalense Thanks for clarifying. Najam, yes there are two contactors in the unit, but not two types of contactors.
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the capacitor is needed tuo provide a phaseshift to run the motor not for energy storage
It’s the same what he said, he dumbed it down, a capacitor does store and discharge and store and discharge, relax bro, or make your own video,
He just made it easier to comprehend. It is in a sense storage device. It is used to correct for inductance of motor, and improve power factor. You don't pay really for apparent power in residential settings, but it is kind of important for HVAC, because there is so many of them, that it would wreck a havoc on a power grid, if not corrected for.
The more complex unit will save you money on your energy bills, but with potential repair cost, that becomes negligible for a lot of people that own them.
Most of the "more complex" units you are talking about do have a 10 year warranty.
We might also compare your comment to folks that said "do not buy a Prius because a replacement battery costs so much." The first Prius came out in the late 90s and we have still not know anyone that had to buy a battery.
We would also add that in most cases, people do not buy a more complex unit solely for energy savings. Most do it for improved comfort in their home (multiple stages or fully variable capacity).
A 10 year warranty is not much considering the costs of these units and the repair costs can be considerable and easily blow the savings out of the water once there are problems out of warranty. lol
Some will hold up and last for some people, but I know people that have had big issues. Ultimately though the choice is up to you as a homeowner and if you are looking for that perfect temperature and humidity control you have to spend considerable money to obtain that.
The units we illustrated in this particular video are not particularly complex. They are pretty much standard 2-stage scroll units. Nothing overly sexy. A lot of the higher-end residential systems have moved to inverter driven compressors over the past 5 years to provide more than 2-stages. Things can then get a little more complex (and expensive) because of the inverter, the control board, and the ECM condenser motor.
But man.. . the comfort I get at my house... the dehumidification control... precision temperature... the energy savings... crazy quiet sound levels... individual control over different temperatures on each floor... it is awesome!!! If you don't want all that, then maybe just buy a couple window air conditioners.
Great info Thanks!
Can you explain what happens when you have dog hair I your vent and you smell burning when you turn it on the first time...
We are not familiar with this particular issue. Is this when you turn cooling on for the first time or heating? If heating, what type of heat is it (gas, electric, heat pump, etc.)?
@@TECTubefilms Heat pump,heat yes the first time..But I'm curious as to what the inside looks like I also have a light on mine to kill bacteria I'm guessing
Yes, UVC lights kill bacteria and mold on the coil and keep it from growing
The “burning” smell is common with electric heat or gas heat as dust on the heat exchanger warms up for the first time of the season. It is not something we experience with heat pumps because that heat exchanger is also your cooling heat exchanger and it also does not get as hot.
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i'm no expert or anything why is there a circuit board on the outdoor condenser that may not last long from the outdoor elements and also that insulation on the compressor asking to burn itself up.
It is "weather proofed" by being inside the enclosure and the board itself has a coating to avoid corrosion. Carrier and other manufacturers have been putting circuit boards in condensing units, rooftop units, and chillers since the 1980s.
The board is outside, because major electrical components of compressor and condenser fan are there, so there is less cables to run to it. Board is under cover and sometimes conformally coated. The boards getting wet are almost never a failure mode. Motors, contactors, capacitors, compressors, clogged lines, leaks, dust on condenser, bad electrical screw connections are usually issues.
Also notice that the compressor is cooled by the fan in the unit.
As of the insulation on the compressor, it is not exactly insulation. It is sound insulation. So it is not as thermally insulating as real thermal insulation. But yes it does insulate. However this is a second stage compressor afaik, and it moves liquids at much lower temperature in the first place so this liquid makes the compressor cooler during operation. In fact this compressor might need insulation to not freeze up. Just a guess.
Good response movax20h. The compressor "insulation," is, in fact, for sound purposes. It is one of many features that can reduce noise. You will find these on most higher end models.
We will also add that the compressor itself does not need to reject heat to the air. It rejects its "motor waste heat" to the refrigerant. In other words, the compressor is refrigerant cooled, not air cooled.
@@TECTubefilms Exactly. But not all compressors are like that. I think this applies here because it is second stage compressor, and even the compressed vapour is pretty low temperature compared to ambient.
4:08 It is not Thermal expansion valve. It is Thermostatic expansion valve.
"To-may-to OR to-mah-to." Both Thermal Expansion Valve and Thermostatic Expansion Valve are acceptable terms in the HVAC industry and you will find both used interchangeably in manufacturer's literature. In the case of the Carrier CNPVP coil utilized in the video, the installation manual that came with that coil uses "thermal" but the product data sheet uses "thermostatic."
Wikipedia and numerous Google searches use both thermal and thermostatic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_expansion_valve
I would have said po-tay-to OR po-tah-to :)
Potato or Tomato? Stop trolling us Hoger!
OBTW, that is not a liquid line drier in there on top of the compressor in the compressor discharge line, it is a muffler. Also, those are pressure switches not transducers. Maybe you should re-tape this video.
Yes, correct. It is a muffler not a drier. It was discussed a while back in the comments. Ryan made an error.
Actually that looks like a right side down V.
Thanks bro this information
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Why tease us with a Bryant poster in the background and than show us Carriers? I know they're basically the same thing, but its mean.
Haha... didn't even realize we had a Bryant poster. We do distribute both Carrier and Bryant, as well as Heil, Payne, WeatherMaker, and Day & Night. From a service standpoint, as you mentioned, the components are all the same. From a business and marketing standpoint, there are many differences.
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thank you for this video, is great
That small unit is only 1.5 ton air conditioner
We think it was a Payne PA3ANA024, which is 2 tons. Why do you ask?
Both the 1.5 and the 2 ton have the same footprint so they look the same.
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So what is the purpose of this heat pump? Why one removes heat from the furnace and releases it to atmosphere. Seams pointless.
You would not remove heat from a furnace at all. The purpose of a heat pump is to both heat and cool a structure. When in cooling mode because the building is too warm, it would remove heat from the space and reject it outside... just like a standard air conditioner. When it is in heating mode because the building is too cold, it extracts heat from the air outdoors and "pumps" it into the building.
@@TECTubefilms Thanks Tec Tube! I see, maybe I didn't comprehend there maybe are more components to the system. It wasn't clear.
@@movax20h The only meaningful extra component difference between an air conditioner and a heat pump is the addition of the reversing valve which allows the evaporator and condenser coils to switch job functions.
its air/air or air/water heat pump? air/air i guess
In this video, we only used air source heat pumps (ASHP), which include two refrigerant-to-air heat exchangers... one on the indoor unit and on the outdoor unit.
A water source heat pump (WSHP) would have one refrigerant-to-air and one refrigerant-to-water heat exchanger.
You can also have a hydronic heat pump to make cold or hot water and those would have two refrigerant-to-air heat exchangers.
Should of explained pulling the disconnect....safety safety 🤔
You are not wrong, however this channel (and our company in general) normally only deal with HVAC Contractors so hopefully new techs at those companies have also been trained by their company on safety aspects.
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I get that BUT individuals who are looking for information on hvac stumble across your channel and watch it and see oh they didn't pull the disconnect. We deal with electricity and new people don't get it like contractors and experts 🙄 just pointing that out!
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good explatin
This guy looks like Mike Judge.
Damn... you just aged me like an extra 15 years. Maybe I get his bank account, though?
@@ryanhoger1 lol you should get all of King of the Hill on DVD at least.
Very very very great explanation.
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