Seems like the Hornsent Inquisition in particular had a penchant for impaling those they deem guilty. Quite ironic given who’s responsible for their civilization’s downfall.
@TheHonoredMadman the whole story of the DLC is cyclical. Everyone in the DLC is repeating the mistakes of those who came before, Marika takes after the Hornsent in her treatment of those who she considers enemies. Miquella follows the same path to ascension as his mother. The entire story of the DLC is about people trying to right the wrongs of the past using the methods of those who perpetuated those wrongs, All the while falling to realise that the system they are playing within is the problem not the people within it. The only way things can improve is if someone chooses to oppose the cycle and break it. Killing Miquella is the right thing to do as ultimately he is repeating the mistakes of the past and will inevitably repeat their crimes. In order for anything to get better the methods of the past have to be destroyed.
@@valtethA shame that there’s no *option to at least hear Miquella out and side with him in his own dedicated questline like Ranni’s, especially egregious since the end of the DLC gameplay trailer showed what looked like a cut ending of Miquella “restoring” the Scadutree or at least removing its veils. *I emphasize this because the people who still oppose Miquella can choose NOT to pursue this route and still kill him while those who want to side with him can do so. Everyone can have their slice of cake and eat it too.
I wonder how powerful the Three Fingers avatar actually is? We know it has been roaming and on the move before getting sealed under Leyndell for quite a while (as it has to have come into contact with all the beings touched by it somehow.) With everyone and their grandam having beef with the frenzied flame, it makes sense for the Three Fingers avatar to have had to constantly fight powerful adversaries in large numbers, as it's pretty much near the top of just about everyone's shite list in a land full of stabby stabby first ask questions later sorts of people. Considering it wasn't just put to the sword (remembering the Golden Order had monstrously powerful warriors at its beck and call, especially near the start of being established), and instead was merely contained under the seat of power for the GO/Marika, it has to be quite a powerful entity. Which begs the question of how the Golden Order even managed to lure it down there to begin with? And why didn't it just bust out? It's very rare for the GO to just seal their problems away over doing a bitta murdering, so the Three Fingers avatar has to have some serious umpf to throw around if provoked.
I wonder if Metyr had a sibling that represented the frenzied flame? I imagine there has to be more than a single three fingers entity considering how many places have had direct contact with it.
I REALLY enjoyed this one! VERY well done! I actually enjoy your rambly videos, because, that's how my thoughts go a lot of times, lol! Few go as DEEP as you!
I think I left a comment here a while ago and I'm not sure why it's not showing up for me, but I always thought the point of this area was the three fingers are completely willing and able to do everything that the two fingers have done in the lands between if they get into powe. Because everything here is either desperately trying to prevent the spread of it or legitimately a victim of its influence. Then again that could be me just not trusting that the one faction that wants to cease everything in the hope that whatever comes next is better is lying through their teeth to you so they can take power and then do whatever they want after that (let's not forget the flame of frenzy ending starts with fundamentally your character having all of their agency stripped away and being turned into even more of a puppet than what the greater will does to the shadows of the emperions when they turn against the two fingers)
I wonder if the three fingers was a “bastard” or rejected version of the two fingers of Metyr and perhaps was more intelligent or aware of the lack of connection with the greater will and became a host of the frenzy flame from the despair that resulted…
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced that the three fingers also originate from Metyr, they're too similar for there to be any other reasonable explanation. And I think you're entirely on point. And the state of despair that they instill in people seems very much on point with the kind of pessimism stemming from the realization that there is no God and all the moral rules that society (The Golden Order) is based on are false because of it, and if all of that is false, then all the suffering that the world gives rise to is also meaningless, so better to just end the world to be rid of suffering. Ratatoskr has an excellent video on this theme in his video "What is the Flame of Frenzy", highly recommend it!
I see them as an embodiment of the last of the one greats influence. Yo my knowledge nothing speaks of anything that came before the crucible, yet hyetta doesn't even bring it up. Imo, the three fingers may have been in power either far before the crucible age or directly after. Faraum azulas item descriptions define beast and dragons and a god-worship relationship. This is defined as overtime being beneficial for the beast man and Grey ppl. So it's probably likely that the erdtree error I'd unique in it's calamity, since no other era is alluded to being as chaotic. The dlc also confirmed thst marika achieved godhood improperly, which could be why the influence of the one great had been shunned and silenced so quickly. Look at the location of the fingers, if the shunning grounds are where things are hidden then it's likely in my mind that the 3 fingers was the first secret kept.
Definitely one of the best biomes in the whole game, loved the drastic aesthetic changes, wished the base game and the DLC were more varied like that Gameplay wise the forced stealth mechanic was great, but the area is just too big with nothing in it
He's right about the overworld. I dont count throwing a bunch of wolves, Liurnian Puppets, crabs, or those Lampreys in a wide open area with like one item at the end as filling up the space. A lot of the dlc is vast nothingness.
I don't really see a lot of people discuss how Midra doesn't have the scarring fingerprints on him. He never actually was touched by the three fingers, so the amount of frenzy power he has is kind of off the charts. I would imagine if he had actually been grasped by the fingers, being in his presence would be enough to inflict madness.
Edgar turned mad after he sworn to go after the misbegotten that killed his daughter. He went mad with despair, whenever you find the flame of frenzy, there is always a clear trigger what causes frenzy, it is always a place of where there is despair.
Food for thought: Midra is close to "Midas," the mythical king who had the power to turn anything he touched into gold, to the ruin of his kingdom. I wonder if he is Marika's father, Nanaya is her mother, and it was her only her grandmother who lived in the Shaman Village.
24:40 I'm pretty much on the same boat of thinking Midra was a Numen/Shaman too. I have this theory that the Numen were actually three distinct cultures with a shared belief system which they split into light, dark, and balance. Basically if we assume Nox are the dark aspect, then shaman would be balance, and the Rauh, AKA the kingdom of the sun, would be the light. I'm basing this mainly on the fact that the altars to activate the stone sheath sword are in Rauh and an area which has the same flowers as the shaman village. They were a very spiritual and ritualistic people, so it wouldn't be a stretch to see them split their civilization into dark/light, matriarchal/patriarchal, with the shaman acting as a sort of arbiter between the two. I hope this makes sense, I was three bowls deep watching this lol Also, the horned turtle is in the same cave as the two headed turtle talisman! They got the lil misbegotten strands of gray hair on em too
@@Tortuga2223a It's a popular theory, but there's nothing mentioning a baby in the item description. And it says it belonged to a man, not a child. Maybe the expression that Nanaya cradles it and it being called small is what caused the speculation?
Yeah i really thought it was odd that the orangle pulsating swamp didnt afflict me with madness. Especially with torrent throwing you off, seems like a huge missed opportunity
Yeah, someone there was probably like: Oh, S%#@! Maybe if I put a lot of animals afflicted with Frenzy, and those things from Bloodborne, he won't notice!' 'Wait, Mr. Miyazaki is WAY too calm about this, a big smile on his face!' The next new Patch drops, Mr. Miyazaki:' SURPRISE, Frenzy Ancient Dragon!' HEY, since we have one of those Dancing Lions, with DEATHBLIGHT, and BARFS ROYAL REVENANTS, why not, LOL!
The main difference between Midra and Vyke is that Midra WANTS to become a lord of frenzy, but Vyke turned away at the last moment. Hence Vyke's armor has fingerprints as if he was grabbed from behind. The barbed sword seems to be suppressing the frenzied flame by pushing Midra to the brink of death, but Nanaya cursed him to endure either through magic, pure force of will, or both. That's why he becomes far more powerful when he yanks the thing out: he was supposed to die, and now he's no longer suppressed.
The way I read it, the flame of frenzy is an unavoidable aspect of the Greater Will. I believe Ymir tells us that both Metyr and the Elden Beast came from the Greater Will, which is depicted as the lightless abyss by his hat and presumably the Fleeting Microcosm spell to some degree. So this interpretation would equate the GW with the One Great as a black hole or perhaps the vastness of space itself.
The painting of the manse also looks like the protected area of the Ruins of Unte. It would seem much of the RoS looked as beautiful as the Hinterlands at one point.
Where you pick up the two headed turtle talisman has one of the horned and hairy turtles. I've seen them in other places, but that is one place I remember. 😎🍻😎
It almost seems like an old folk tale the way that that Nanaya and Midra are written. If we do the flame of frenzy after the manse it's like we completed an ancient olympic torch ceremony.
The horned turtles are a long the northern cliffs of the hinterlands area. Just saw them yesterday . Like around the area before the falling star beast
Fun fact: Turns out Nanaya was a Mesopotamian goddess of love . Her primary role was that of a goddess of love, and she was associated with eroticism and sensuality, though she was also a patron of lovers, including rejected or betrayed ones. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanaya
In regards to Nanayas Torch, it seems like the spine is the spine of her and Midras stillborn. If you remember that she was pregnant in the trailer. I was waiting to see their child until I read the description and realized I already met and was holding him/her. So if that wasn’t how Midra acquired the flame, I wonder how he did. Maybe before the lands between and the shadow realm were separated he made his way to the 3 fingers 🤷♂️ Also something I just noticed as I decided to overlay the maps of the shadow and lands between; where that infamous cloud is exactly where the abyssal woods was located. It’s dark and cloudy atmosphere makes a little more sense
Dude it clearly says it belongs to a PREVIOUS lord who failed to become a lord of frenzy, first of all stillborns dont have that big of a spine, second of all to gain the flame of frenzy you have to either be mad or witness great despair or touched by the three fingers, no one is born into frenzy . This is clearly a previous lord who is exactly like Midra, who failed to become a lord a frenzy, Nanaya having that spine shows us that she is either a finger maiden or a disciple of Shabriri, she could very well be the reason Midra was introduced to the frenzied flame and asked him to endure so that his madness and despair will grow and he can become a lord of frenzied flame.
I have nothing to back this up, but after reading the description of the chaos torch that Nanaya's corpse was holding, it made me think of Vyke. The description states: A torch made by attaching a dying flame of frenzy to a small spinal column. In a distant land, in an age long past, was born a man who failed to become the Lord of Frenzied Flame. All that remains of him is cradled gently by Nanaya. The only thing that makes me think that I'm probably way off on this one is the Portrait showing Nanaya being pregnant and the torch itself seemingly being made from an infant's spine.
@@CFX992 that could be possible but why would she tell him to endure instead of letting loose? When he finally lets go he apologizes to her, I would think that if she was a finger maiden she would want him to let it take him over long ago. Plus it’s rare that a finger maiden marries and procreates with her tarnished. Though just because it’s unprecedented doesn’t mean it’s impossible. I just think it’s unlikely. In reply of your “first off” that’s a really small spine. A normal spine would be the size of a greatsword in length. It’s a whole torso. And in response to your “second off” it says in the description it was ATTACHED to a spine not that the spine was born with it.
@@kalzero3319 in my view, the man that failed is Midra and what’s left of him is his child. Why else would she be cradling it so lovingly? It’d be weird if it was another man imo
I like the idea that Nanaya is a host of Shabriri, or something similar to him. If you compare the Shabriri’s woe talisman’s facial expression to Nanaya’s in the portrait of her and Midra, they are extremely similar. Shabriri and Hyetta are both eyeless, and it seems that Nanaya may have been as well. Even further than that, it seems that the aging untouchables showed up before the inquisition since there is a note from one of midra’s disciples telling you to parry them in order to kill them, so Nanaya could well have brought them with her into the woods. It’s worth noting as well that she told Midra to “endure”, and it seems that it is that endurance that turned Midra into a Lord of Frenzied Flame, and where Midra seems to have taken that as attempting to stop the flame of Frenzy, I think she was tricking him into letting it grow within him for however long it’s been since the Inquisition.
I honestly never knew about Yura’s dialogue where he goes full Dracula Flow mode complaining about the worms. That’s actually kinda crazy, because if we really dig into the etymology of Shabriri, we find that he was a Jewish demon associated with a very particular kind of blindness known as “water blindness”. Basically, it’s caused by an infestation of parasitic worms in the eyes that leads to blindness. And, although I highly discourage looking up actual images because it’s fucking scarring, but the result looks eerily similar to frenzy-infected eyes. Tarnished Archaeologist has a great video about this. Also, you want to see another crazy real-world connection with the Flame of Frenzy? Stare into a bright light for several seconds, close your eyes and rub them for a few more seconds, and tell me what you see behind your shut eyelids. Looks familiar, doesn’t it?
I've been noticing some Egyptian themes in Eldenring in general and the DLC specifically recently and, on a lark I thought to look up eyes and grapes. I did not expect to find any thing but find something I did. Apparently Horus had his eyes ripped out one time, I think by Set. So I believe it was Isis(his mother) buried his eyes and watered them. From his eyes grew the first grape vines. She restored is eyes in his head by poring mil in them. Horus was the god of the moon. Son of Osiris, lord of the dead, who was the son of Ra, lord of the sun. This poring of milk into the eyes to restore them was supposed to represent the phases of the moon. Egypt had all kinds of Eye motifs. Serpent motifs. In fact there was an eye that was also a winged serpent, the eye of Ra, that was also called the Wadjet. You would probably recognize a wadjet if you saw one. The stylized Egyptian eye. there is also a giant chaos world serpent named Apep, Apepi, Apophis. Supposedly Ra slays Apep every night during his trip to the underworld and on the following morning he begins his trip across the sky with sun(which is born anew every morning by a godly Bull, I believe) I could go on and on but I'll end with these two things. Their creator god, Aten, is usually depicted as a sun with rays coming off of it and the rays all end with hands. Sometimes there are two large arms with hands as well. Also there is a type of medallion that is placed on every single mummy and it's called the Two-fingers amulet or medallion by modern archaeologists. It is an index and middle finger pointing straight out and pressed together and it's likely the basis for the two-fingered holy hand gestures you see in portraits of holy people like Jesus and the Buddha.They are supposed to be the two fingers of Osiris, and they were usually placed on the incision wound of a mummy. Which gets me to mummies. (I swear this is the last one. lol) But Osiris the first mummy/ Godwyn the prince of death and the start of those who live in death. Remember a mummy was made because it was assumed you were still alive in the afterlife. So I almost feel like those who live in death are all kind of like a bunch of Egyptian mummies. lol.
my first run through the abyss I got caught halfway through and I booked it, absolutely booked it. Light roll panic rolling on a 60 vigor +hp talisman character (probably had morgots rune, so either 2100 or 2300 hp) and I made it to the manor with the old dude, somehow, with 0 estus to spare. They are relentless and never stop as long as you're in the abyss overworld, but they're not impossible to run from with good dodges and some well timed sips.
An option I have not seen explored is the age difference between nanaya and midra. Sure it’s possible they were married or something. But what if nanaya is midra’s daughter. She left him to marry a man who would be the lord of frenzied flames but he failed. She was pregnant at the time and she left with her husband’s flame of frenzy. Later she gave birth but we know the flame removes everything especially births. It’s been mentioned several times specifically. So the child was lost and unwilling to lose anyone else she told her father to endure the pain. She later attached her deceased husband’s flame to their child’s remains and cradled it succumbing to madness and dying in the process.
Dude honestly your lore videos are the greatest. Would love to hear your thoughts on Romina. I feel like she's the Oceiros of Elden Ring. Not much stuff going about her, feels like a placeholder boss before you enter Emir Ilim, somewhat shrouded in mystery, yet I feel she has so much going about her if you dig deeper. The centipede, the scarlet rot, the blooming butterflies. So many weird connections.
25:25 you speak of one of Nenaya’s hand but not the other one that is over her belly indicating that she is PREGNANT! Lol, also the torch spine was “small” right, and she cradles it, like a baby?
MY theory is the inquisiton arrived, started to execute Midras people and Midra to contain the frenzied flame but then the whole thing burst burning down the entire mansion and the surrandings, infecting everyone around it with the frenzy. After that some of the inquisitors are gone, give up to the flame of frenzy (the one outside, shooting you with frenzy) while the core group in the library tried to investigate what left if they could do anything against it while also trapped in the mansion. Even two of the Hornsents elite spirit warrior was there and I think both trapped in the mansion along with the inquisitors. I think the bar was one of the solution to keep the infecteds to turn into the lantern people of frenzyed because once Midra take out he transforms into one.
When you get a how’s fingerprint it reveals that it’s actually his eye that he removed. And since we know the frenzy accumulates in the eye, that leads me to believe that’s how he cured himself. Which is why he’s in the EverGaol as Roundtable Knight Vyke. I think he either imprisoned himself because he was afraid he might lose control or maybe the round table members imprisoned him for the same reason.
It seems that the plague of frenzy is left with warning (e.g. Yellow flags) but are still open to people coming in and "cull" the infected like some kind of proof of strength or community service, but the abyssal woods kinda seem like what happens if Frenzy is just allowed to run rampant and fester in one concentrated area without spreading to nearby places
Pretty sure the whole Nanaya and Midra were lovers. She was pregnant in the photo of the two. Which aligns with the gentled cradled by Nanaya. Either they tried to make a lord of frenzy through conception. As Midra wasn't able to do it himself and the baby died.
I remember when the trailer dropped I thought that the portrait was of (now that we know his name) Midra and Marika, that he was her first husband. I still think it could work, she married a lord to avoid the fate of other shamans only to have that new home destroyed by frenzy and the inquisitors. I’m not as much of a madman as you though so I’m probably reaching. I assumed Enia was the finger reader crone and couldn’t think of anything that pointed to her being connected.
The Owls are also connected to the Slumbering Egg which are associated with Sleep. The Sleep status affect is a closed eye but the FF status affect is an open eye. The horned owls look a little like spirits and for them to be chilling in the Abyssal woods means they probably have a natural resistance to the FF.
So, like i said, when we first learn of the frenzied flame, it's the first original and true god. Chaos is the true nature of things, and in the game, the frenzied flame is the closest thing to life, death, and rebirth in its purest form. It's possibly what created the crucible because those gold flames and yellow flames look exactly the same in fact the yellow flames look more like real gold
The name winter lantern isn't a direct reference to bloodborne, instead they are both drawing on the same plant for a name, the Winter Lantern or Chinese Lantern. You should definitely check out some pictures of them they're quite striking.
24:06 Theres actually a theory that Diallos from House Hoslow is a Numen. During his questline he gives you a Numen rune and theres dialogue of him hating his pale skin. I forgot if its cut content or if it made it to the base game cus he’s a forgettable character haha but some food for thought
I believe that Nanaya was actually pregnant. In the fake picture within the manse, she's seen clutching her womb. If she did, that means she tragically died with the child still in her.
Hi! The Fingerpring Stone Shield, which you find close to the 3 fingers below Llyendel, is surprisingly similar to the blocks that produce the walls at the Finger Ruins. Could it be that someone took a piece of that wall and put it together as a shield? That would be crazy!. Nevertheless, you can still use the shields flavor text to conect the flame of frenzy with the fingers, via a shared mother
😢 if you ever feel like you have to take down the old shibiri video and re-upload a new one for us you know we would always hate that LOL LOL in fact I'm gonna go find it
I interepeted the owls not being afflicted with frenzy having to do with them being wise and having good mind, which i believe increases reistance to sleep and frenzy
Im just going to say this but what if frenzy flame was like the opposite of the greater will, like the greater will creates things and frenzy destroys them like the three fingers said they separated (idk if those things were lying cant trust a crazed man) and the reason why the greater will left is because after it created the world it thought of it as a failed thing after sending the elden ring seeing how like cruel the world was
Or maybe since Marika took put the rune of death and stuff the greater will sent the three fingers to spread frenzy to make sure people could truly die in both body and spirit
Also I might be wrong but i’m pretty sure there is a painting of the shaman village in the manor that acts as an illusionary wall, further fueling the idea that Midra is from Shaman village and potentially a neuman just like Marika
Wonder if it's a look at how the land of shadow as a whole would look like before it all getting burned during Messmer's crusade. Maybe the shaman village looks the way it does cause it was preserved by Messmer for Marika. However, if Midra was indeed a numen, it would explain why he took an interest in the frenzied flame.
I interpreted it as Midra already being inflicted with the frenzy flame, and the barbed spike was what was holding it back. He "endure"d the pain to prevent the catastrophe that allowing the flame to consume him would bring. Hence him apologizing, then saying "I have endured enough". Not that I gave it nearly as much thought.
I love the way you pieced everything together here! I found the Abyssal Woods and Midra insanely interesting and the atmosphere was so good. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on Metyr and Ymir!
Midra has no spine, he has that branch sword, so I do think Nanaya is holding his spine. I believe she is his maiden and lover. He is pretty old next to her. That fact also made me think that she met him because he was trying to follow the madness. Conjectures though, as always.
suffering seems to always bring a god, fire giant, mogh, malenia, the caravan. romina of the bud, marikas people it seems, i think the misbegotten in Castle Morne are trying to do something similar with the tower of dead on fire the hornsent must have worshiped serosh hes a lion! my lil theory is godfrey and marika somehow took power from him, its odd that serosh and godfrey are more like miquella and rodhan that marika and godfrey and i've been thinking, why did marika hide her hometown? is alot in the land of shadow that could destroy it and would have motive, why she lock it away, i think people to quick to jump to she is a victim conclusion also if the land of shadow the land of the dead where all the bosses n npcs that died? like rogier
I haven't gotten down to the Abyssal Woods yet but if you kill those owls do they drop slumbering eggs like the owls in the lands between? And Irina didn't bring us to the Proscription. That was Shabriri in Irina's body. We see Irina dead in the Weeping Peninsula and then we meet Hyetta in Liurnia who is this totally innocent girl on a pilgrimage and then the next time we see her she is at the bottom of this place we just fell to our deaths a million times trying to get to which was below one of the the most brutal areas we had been to in the whole adventure. She was not human.
What are your thoughts on Midra being Marikas father? In the “family portrait” his consort? Wife? Is gently laying a hand on her stomach, so it can be assumed she was pregnant. Not to mention their names are similar Midra, Marika. Just a crack theory of course and certainly not one I came up with, but I’d love to hear your thoughts! Great vid as usual madman, have a good one!
The real Vykke is imprisoned in an Evergaol in the mountaintops of the giants. The cultists on the Altus plateau keep trying to summon them but they can only conjure his spirit, which is all that remains.
So what i came to understand about Vyke's situation is that the first vyke you found was merely a manifestation of Vyke from his frenzied eye, which he tore out and left in the village, most likely leading to the spread of the frenzy within the village due to it being basically direct influence from the frenzied flame. Vyke was then imprisoned elsewhere. This means that he only has a single eye and thus was not fully turned to frenzy. He was basically a half lord.
Honestly dude idk how much there is to really analyze about this area. 2 new enemies copy pasted about 5 times and a cook book. And a talisman. When I explored the first time it was frustrating finding nothing. If I play the dlc again I won't do anything but walk straight to the Manse.
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5:55 what?
Lol yeah i have no idea, i meant to mention the despair he felt do to his role in his daughters death vut i guess i forgot to put that edit haha
They're just sum madness plant dude
Seems like the Hornsent Inquisition in particular had a penchant for impaling those they deem guilty. Quite ironic given who’s responsible for their civilization’s downfall.
That’s actually an interesting point, and helps my head canon that the hornsent inquisition is Marika’s, actually.
Some might say poetic, im really wishing i caught this tho
@TheHonoredMadman the whole story of the DLC is cyclical. Everyone in the DLC is repeating the mistakes of those who came before, Marika takes after the Hornsent in her treatment of those who she considers enemies. Miquella follows the same path to ascension as his mother.
The entire story of the DLC is about people trying to right the wrongs of the past using the methods of those who perpetuated those wrongs, All the while falling to realise that the system they are playing within is the problem not the people within it.
The only way things can improve is if someone chooses to oppose the cycle and break it.
Killing Miquella is the right thing to do as ultimately he is repeating the mistakes of the past and will inevitably repeat their crimes. In order for anything to get better the methods of the past have to be destroyed.
@@valteth Commie spotted.
@@valtethA shame that there’s no *option to at least hear Miquella out and side with him in his own dedicated questline like Ranni’s, especially egregious since the end of the DLC gameplay trailer showed what looked like a cut ending of Miquella “restoring” the Scadutree or at least removing its veils.
*I emphasize this because the people who still oppose Miquella can choose NOT to pursue this route and still kill him while those who want to side with him can do so. Everyone can have their slice of cake and eat it too.
I wonder how powerful the Three Fingers avatar actually is? We know it has been roaming and on the move before getting sealed under Leyndell for quite a while (as it has to have come into contact with all the beings touched by it somehow.) With everyone and their grandam having beef with the frenzied flame, it makes sense for the Three Fingers avatar to have had to constantly fight powerful adversaries in large numbers, as it's pretty much near the top of just about everyone's shite list in a land full of stabby stabby first ask questions later sorts of people. Considering it wasn't just put to the sword (remembering the Golden Order had monstrously powerful warriors at its beck and call, especially near the start of being established), and instead was merely contained under the seat of power for the GO/Marika, it has to be quite a powerful entity. Which begs the question of how the Golden Order even managed to lure it down there to begin with? And why didn't it just bust out?
It's very rare for the GO to just seal their problems away over doing a bitta murdering, so the Three Fingers avatar has to have some serious umpf to throw around if provoked.
I wonder if Metyr had a sibling that represented the frenzied flame? I imagine there has to be more than a single three fingers entity considering how many places have had direct contact with it.
It seems more like the Frenzy is an illness, indiscriminate of who it afflicts. Being strong and being a threat are separate things after all.
@@Florjb0rjTheFloorboardthe flame is a sickness yes but the three fingers is a physical being
@mudshrooze Yes, but it too is sickly and fragile; a patient zero of sorts.
It’s literally chaos incarnate. It cannot die, only sealed away in hopes it won’t ever be seen again.
I'm so excited for the Bayle Placidusax video!
I REALLY enjoyed this one! VERY well done! I actually enjoy your rambly videos, because, that's how my thoughts go a lot of times, lol! Few go as DEEP as you!
I think I left a comment here a while ago and I'm not sure why it's not showing up for me, but I always thought the point of this area was the three fingers are completely willing and able to do everything that the two fingers have done in the lands between if they get into powe. Because everything here is either desperately trying to prevent the spread of it or legitimately a victim of its influence.
Then again that could be me just not trusting that the one faction that wants to cease everything in the hope that whatever comes next is better is lying through their teeth to you so they can take power and then do whatever they want after that (let's not forget the flame of frenzy ending starts with fundamentally your character having all of their agency stripped away and being turned into even more of a puppet than what the greater will does to the shadows of the emperions when they turn against the two fingers)
24:10 I’m 99% sure the Hoslow brothers are Numen. Zulie The Witch did a video on it I believe.
Eh they are more likely then not just some random noble house. An excuse to give us a Belmont reference
Man had to hit me with that F0 nostalgia. Shame they killed the series
I wonder if the three fingers was a “bastard” or rejected version of the two fingers of Metyr and perhaps was more intelligent or aware of the lack of connection with the greater will and became a host of the frenzy flame from the despair that resulted…
Good theory
@@goreobsessed2308 thank you 🙏
Yeah, I'm pretty convinced that the three fingers also originate from Metyr, they're too similar for there to be any other reasonable explanation. And I think you're entirely on point. And the state of despair that they instill in people seems very much on point with the kind of pessimism stemming from the realization that there is no God and all the moral rules that society (The Golden Order) is based on are false because of it, and if all of that is false, then all the suffering that the world gives rise to is also meaningless, so better to just end the world to be rid of suffering.
Ratatoskr has an excellent video on this theme in his video "What is the Flame of Frenzy", highly recommend it!
I see them as an embodiment of the last of the one greats influence. Yo my knowledge nothing speaks of anything that came before the crucible, yet hyetta doesn't even bring it up.
Imo, the three fingers may have been in power either far before the crucible age or directly after.
Faraum azulas item descriptions define beast and dragons and a god-worship relationship. This is defined as overtime being beneficial for the beast man and Grey ppl.
So it's probably likely that the erdtree error I'd unique in it's calamity, since no other era is alluded to being as chaotic. The dlc also confirmed thst marika achieved godhood improperly, which could be why the influence of the one great had been shunned and silenced so quickly.
Look at the location of the fingers, if the shunning grounds are where things are hidden then it's likely in my mind that the 3 fingers was the first secret kept.
@@viljamtheninjaI think the golden order only extends to the lands between.
Best atmosphere design in the DLC, for once a sprawling large nigh-empty area without your horse made sense and felt creepy
“Sprawling large nigh empty area”
That’s the whole dlc
@@Slaughter_Hillyou clearly didn’t play it then, or you’re blind
@Slaughter_Hill look deeper bro. There is more than meets the eye
Definitely one of the best biomes in the whole game, loved the drastic aesthetic changes, wished the base game and the DLC were more varied like that
Gameplay wise the forced stealth mechanic was great, but the area is just too big with nothing in it
He's right about the overworld. I dont count throwing a bunch of wolves, Liurnian Puppets, crabs, or those Lampreys in a wide open area with like one item at the end as filling up the space. A lot of the dlc is vast nothingness.
I don't really see a lot of people discuss how Midra doesn't have the scarring fingerprints on him. He never actually was touched by the three fingers, so the amount of frenzy power he has is kind of off the charts. I would imagine if he had actually been grasped by the fingers, being in his presence would be enough to inflict madness.
Edgar turned mad after he sworn to go after the misbegotten that killed his daughter. He went mad with despair, whenever you find the flame of frenzy, there is always a clear trigger what causes frenzy, it is always a place of where there is despair.
What happened in the ailing village?
Food for thought: Midra is close to "Midas," the mythical king who had the power to turn anything he touched into gold, to the ruin of his kingdom. I wonder if he is Marika's father, Nanaya is her mother, and it was her only her grandmother who lived in the Shaman Village.
Madman is actually the chef at Midras Manse because this man is COOKING
I believe there are some fingers and their eggs hidden under some cloth in that place. Maybe Midra was studying them and then became corrupted.
Yep there is a room full of Fingers and finger eggs hidden under red blankets. Midra was definitely studying the Fingers and the finger ruins.
Yup, there's also an item description implying that the aging untouchables would give him their eyes. So he did communicate with them somehow.
24:40 I'm pretty much on the same boat of thinking Midra was a Numen/Shaman too. I have this theory that the Numen were actually three distinct cultures with a shared belief system which they split into light, dark, and balance. Basically if we assume Nox are the dark aspect, then shaman would be balance, and the Rauh, AKA the kingdom of the sun, would be the light. I'm basing this mainly on the fact that the altars to activate the stone sheath sword are in Rauh and an area which has the same flowers as the shaman village. They were a very spiritual and ritualistic people, so it wouldn't be a stretch to see them split their civilization into dark/light, matriarchal/patriarchal, with the shaman acting as a sort of arbiter between the two. I hope this makes sense, I was three bowls deep watching this lol
Also, the horned turtle is in the same cave as the two headed turtle talisman! They got the lil misbegotten strands of gray hair on em too
YEAAAAAHHH can’t wait for your ymir/metyr vid!!
I think Nanaya's torch is the remains of Shabriri's original body.
What about the words relevant to a baby? Square table speculated that the torch is the spine of a baby.
@@Tortuga2223a It's a popular theory, but there's nothing mentioning a baby in the item description. And it says it belonged to a man, not a child. Maybe the expression that Nanaya cradles it and it being called small is what caused the speculation?
It’s the spine of midra he doesn’t have one because the sword now acts as his spine
@@airgo1777 Take another look. That's really not the case.
What would happen if someone afflicted with the Flame of Frenzy then consumes a Fingerprint Nostrum? A new Three Fingers?
Incredible amount of horned turtles just about everywhere lol
Been stewing over this place for days, good to have a fellow madman to listen to while exploring every rock
30:05 was NOT expecting chicano batman in an elden ring lore video
Someone at From is getting fired by Miyazaki personally for forgetting to add a madness tick to the swamp water in there.
Yeah i really thought it was odd that the orangle pulsating swamp didnt afflict me with madness. Especially with torrent throwing you off, seems like a huge missed opportunity
It wouldn't make sense unless the swamp was lava instead it's Frenzy Flame not Frenzy Splash.
Yeah, someone there was probably like: Oh, S%#@! Maybe if I put a lot of animals afflicted with Frenzy, and those things from Bloodborne, he won't notice!' 'Wait, Mr. Miyazaki is WAY too calm about this, a big smile on his face!' The next new Patch drops, Mr. Miyazaki:' SURPRISE, Frenzy Ancient Dragon!' HEY, since we have one of those Dancing Lions, with DEATHBLIGHT, and BARFS ROYAL REVENANTS, why not, LOL!
As a addition to my Comment, I heard he ACTUALLY watches the Lore and Theory Videos of Elden RIng, and READS the Comments! HOLY S%#@!
Whole area feels like it was added late, it's neat but I was a Lil disappointed. Midra definitely made up for it tho with the soundtrack alone.
The main difference between Midra and Vyke is that Midra WANTS to become a lord of frenzy, but Vyke turned away at the last moment. Hence Vyke's armor has fingerprints as if he was grabbed from behind. The barbed sword seems to be suppressing the frenzied flame by pushing Midra to the brink of death, but Nanaya cursed him to endure either through magic, pure force of will, or both. That's why he becomes far more powerful when he yanks the thing out: he was supposed to die, and now he's no longer suppressed.
The way I read it, the flame of frenzy is an unavoidable aspect of the Greater Will. I believe Ymir tells us that both Metyr and the Elden Beast came from the Greater Will, which is depicted as the lightless abyss by his hat and presumably the Fleeting Microcosm spell to some degree. So this interpretation would equate the GW with the One Great as a black hole or perhaps the vastness of space itself.
If you zoom in to Nanaya's eyes, you can tell why she is the frenzy maiden lol I didn't know it was that bad
The painting of the manse also looks like the protected area of the Ruins of Unte. It would seem much of the RoS looked as beautiful as the Hinterlands at one point.
I must be slightly dyslexic, because I read your channel name as horned madman instead of honored madman lmao
Where you pick up the two headed turtle talisman has one of the horned and hairy turtles. I've seen them in other places, but that is one place I remember.
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It almost seems like an old folk tale the way that that Nanaya and Midra are written.
If we do the flame of frenzy after the manse it's like we completed an ancient olympic torch ceremony.
Ive found horned turtles near the beginning of Charo’s grave, and throughout the lake/waterfall parts of rauh
No Babe, I will not be present at the birthing of our child, Honored Madman just uploaded a new lore video
Madness plants bro 🤯
The horned turtles are a long the northern cliffs of the hinterlands area. Just saw them yesterday . Like around the area before the falling star beast
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Fun fact:
Turns out Nanaya was a Mesopotamian goddess of love .
Her primary role was that of a goddess of love, and she was associated with eroticism and sensuality, though she was also a patron of lovers, including rejected or betrayed ones.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanaya
In regards to Nanayas Torch, it seems like the spine is the spine of her and Midras stillborn. If you remember that she was pregnant in the trailer. I was waiting to see their child until I read the description and realized I already met and was holding him/her.
So if that wasn’t how Midra acquired the flame, I wonder how he did. Maybe before the lands between and the shadow realm were separated he made his way to the 3 fingers 🤷♂️
Also something I just noticed as I decided to overlay the maps of the shadow and lands between; where that infamous cloud is exactly where the abyssal woods was located. It’s dark and cloudy atmosphere makes a little more sense
How does that make any sense when it says in the description that it’s from someone else?
Dude it clearly says it belongs to a PREVIOUS lord who failed to become a lord of frenzy, first of all stillborns dont have that big of a spine, second of all to gain the flame of frenzy you have to either be mad or witness great despair or touched by the three fingers, no one is born into frenzy . This is clearly a previous lord who is exactly like Midra, who failed to become a lord a frenzy, Nanaya having that spine shows us that she is either a finger maiden or a disciple of Shabriri, she could very well be the reason Midra was introduced to the frenzied flame and asked him to endure so that his madness and despair will grow and he can become a lord of frenzied flame.
I have nothing to back this up, but after reading the description of the chaos torch that Nanaya's corpse was holding, it made me think of Vyke. The description states:
A torch made by attaching a dying flame of frenzy to a small spinal column. In a distant land, in an age long past, was born a man who failed to become the Lord of Frenzied Flame. All that remains of him is cradled gently by Nanaya.
The only thing that makes me think that I'm probably way off on this one is the Portrait showing Nanaya being pregnant and the torch itself seemingly being made from an infant's spine.
@@CFX992 that could be possible but why would she tell him to endure instead of letting loose? When he finally lets go he apologizes to her, I would think that if she was a finger maiden she would want him to let it take him over long ago. Plus it’s rare that a finger maiden marries and procreates with her tarnished. Though just because it’s unprecedented doesn’t mean it’s impossible. I just think it’s unlikely.
In reply of your “first off” that’s a really small spine. A normal spine would be the size of a greatsword in length. It’s a whole torso. And in response to your “second off” it says in the description it was ATTACHED to a spine not that the spine was born with it.
@@kalzero3319 in my view, the man that failed is Midra and what’s left of him is his child. Why else would she be cradling it so lovingly? It’d be weird if it was another man imo
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1 video closer to ymir its coming i know it
I like the idea that Nanaya is a host of Shabriri, or something similar to him. If you compare the Shabriri’s woe talisman’s facial expression to Nanaya’s in the portrait of her and Midra, they are extremely similar. Shabriri and Hyetta are both eyeless, and it seems that Nanaya may have been as well.
Even further than that, it seems that the aging untouchables showed up before the inquisition since there is a note from one of midra’s disciples telling you to parry them in order to kill them, so Nanaya could well have brought them with her into the woods. It’s worth noting as well that she told Midra to “endure”, and it seems that it is that endurance that turned Midra into a Lord of Frenzied Flame, and where Midra seems to have taken that as attempting to stop the flame of Frenzy, I think she was tricking him into letting it grow within him for however long it’s been since the Inquisition.
I honestly never knew about Yura’s dialogue where he goes full Dracula Flow mode complaining about the worms. That’s actually kinda crazy, because if we really dig into the etymology of Shabriri, we find that he was a Jewish demon associated with a very particular kind of blindness known as “water blindness”. Basically, it’s caused by an infestation of parasitic worms in the eyes that leads to blindness. And, although I highly discourage looking up actual images because it’s fucking scarring, but the result looks eerily similar to frenzy-infected eyes. Tarnished Archaeologist has a great video about this.
Also, you want to see another crazy real-world connection with the Flame of Frenzy? Stare into a bright light for several seconds, close your eyes and rub them for a few more seconds, and tell me what you see behind your shut eyelids. Looks familiar, doesn’t it?
I've been noticing some Egyptian themes in Eldenring in general and the DLC specifically recently and, on a lark I thought to look up eyes and grapes.
I did not expect to find any thing but find something I did.
Apparently Horus had his eyes ripped out one time, I think by Set. So I believe it was Isis(his mother) buried his eyes and watered them. From his eyes grew the first grape vines. She restored is eyes in his head by poring mil in them. Horus was the god of the moon. Son of Osiris, lord of the dead, who was the son of Ra, lord of the sun.
This poring of milk into the eyes to restore them was supposed to represent the phases of the moon.
Egypt had all kinds of Eye motifs. Serpent motifs. In fact there was an eye that was also a winged serpent, the eye of Ra, that was also called the Wadjet. You would probably recognize a wadjet if you saw one. The stylized Egyptian eye.
there is also a giant chaos world serpent named Apep, Apepi, Apophis. Supposedly Ra slays Apep every night during his trip to the underworld and on the following morning he begins his trip across the sky with sun(which is born anew every morning by a godly Bull, I believe)
I could go on and on but I'll end with these two things. Their creator god, Aten, is usually depicted as a sun with rays coming off of it and the rays all end with hands. Sometimes there are two large arms with hands as well.
Also there is a type of medallion that is placed on every single mummy and it's called the Two-fingers amulet or medallion by modern archaeologists. It is an index and middle finger pointing straight out and pressed together and it's likely the basis for the two-fingered holy hand gestures you see in portraits of holy people like Jesus and the Buddha.They are supposed to be the two fingers of Osiris, and they were usually placed on the incision wound of a mummy.
Which gets me to mummies. (I swear this is the last one. lol) But Osiris the first mummy/ Godwyn the prince of death and the start of those who live in death. Remember a mummy was made because it was assumed you were still alive in the afterlife. So I almost feel like those who live in death are all kind of like a bunch of Egyptian mummies. lol.
my first run through the abyss I got caught halfway through and I booked it, absolutely booked it. Light roll panic rolling on a 60 vigor +hp talisman character (probably had morgots rune, so either 2100 or 2300 hp) and I made it to the manor with the old dude, somehow, with 0 estus to spare. They are relentless and never stop as long as you're in the abyss overworld, but they're not impossible to run from with good dodges and some well timed sips.
Nanaya more like Nashandra
An option I have not seen explored is the age difference between nanaya and midra. Sure it’s possible they were married or something. But what if nanaya is midra’s daughter. She left him to marry a man who would be the lord of frenzied flames but he failed. She was pregnant at the time and she left with her husband’s flame of frenzy. Later she gave birth but we know the flame removes everything especially births. It’s been mentioned several times specifically. So the child was lost and unwilling to lose anyone else she told her father to endure the pain. She later attached her deceased husband’s flame to their child’s remains and cradled it succumbing to madness and dying in the process.
Dude honestly your lore videos are the greatest. Would love to hear your thoughts on Romina. I feel like she's the Oceiros of Elden Ring. Not much stuff going about her, feels like a placeholder boss before you enter Emir Ilim, somewhat shrouded in mystery, yet I feel she has so much going about her if you dig deeper. The centipede, the scarlet rot, the blooming butterflies. So many weird connections.
I think the Winter Lanterns are corrupted Inquisitors. They have the same walking stoop, and we see Inquisitors having become slowly corrupted
25:25 you speak of one of Nenaya’s hand but not the other one that is over her belly indicating that she is PREGNANT! Lol, also the torch spine was “small” right, and she cradles it, like a baby?
MY theory is the inquisiton arrived, started to execute Midras people and Midra to contain the frenzied flame but then the whole thing burst burning down the entire mansion and the surrandings, infecting everyone around it with the frenzy. After that some of the inquisitors are gone, give up to the flame of frenzy (the one outside, shooting you with frenzy) while the core group in the library tried to investigate what left if they could do anything against it while also trapped in the mansion. Even two of the Hornsents elite spirit warrior was there and I think both trapped in the mansion along with the inquisitors. I think the bar was one of the solution to keep the infecteds to turn into the lantern people of frenzyed because once Midra take out he transforms into one.
When you get a how’s fingerprint it reveals that it’s actually his eye that he removed. And since we know the frenzy accumulates in the eye, that leads me to believe that’s how he cured himself.
Which is why he’s in the EverGaol as Roundtable Knight Vyke. I think he either imprisoned himself because he was afraid he might lose control or maybe the round table members imprisoned him for the same reason.
It seems that the plague of frenzy is left with warning (e.g. Yellow flags) but are still open to people coming in and "cull" the infected like some kind of proof of strength or community service, but the abyssal woods kinda seem like what happens if Frenzy is just allowed to run rampant and fester in one concentrated area without spreading to nearby places
I was supposed to party them?!?! I literally save quit/load when I would get grabbed. And I did that the whole time until I found the manor.
Pretty sure the whole Nanaya and Midra were lovers. She was pregnant in the photo of the two. Which aligns with the gentled cradled by Nanaya. Either they tried to make a lord of frenzy through conception. As Midra wasn't able to do it himself and the baby died.
I remember when the trailer dropped I thought that the portrait was of (now that we know his name) Midra and Marika, that he was her first husband. I still think it could work, she married a lord to avoid the fate of other shamans only to have that new home destroyed by frenzy and the inquisitors. I’m not as much of a madman as you though so I’m probably reaching. I assumed Enia was the finger reader crone and couldn’t think of anything that pointed to her being connected.
The Owls are also connected to the Slumbering Egg which are associated with Sleep. The Sleep status affect is a closed eye but the FF status affect is an open eye. The horned owls look a little like spirits and for them to be chilling in the Abyssal woods means they probably have a natural resistance to the FF.
So, like i said, when we first learn of the frenzied flame, it's the first original and true god. Chaos is the true nature of things, and in the game, the frenzied flame is the closest thing to life, death, and rebirth in its purest form. It's possibly what created the crucible because those gold flames and yellow flames look exactly the same in fact the yellow flames look more like real gold
Im actually surprised Fromsoft didnt give that water in the swamp some madness build up. It would have been the most fromsoft thing ever.
The name winter lantern isn't a direct reference to bloodborne, instead they are both drawing on the same plant for a name, the Winter Lantern or Chinese Lantern. You should definitely check out some pictures of them they're quite striking.
love all the speculation here
I'm surprised so many people had issues with getting through the Aging Untouchables, it's a perfect place to use the black knife armor set.
24:06 Theres actually a theory that Diallos from House Hoslow is a Numen. During his questline he gives you a Numen rune and theres dialogue of him hating his pale skin. I forgot if its cut content or if it made it to the base game cus he’s a forgettable character haha but some food for thought
I believe that Nanaya was actually pregnant. In the fake picture within the manse, she's seen clutching her womb. If she did, that means she tragically died with the child still in her.
I never had to fight the aged ones, I snuck through the grass unaware of the plants lmao maybe it was cause I put on Crepus Vial
I think midra is an awesome boss. He could be a bit more difficult tho, especially because he is so hidden. All other DLC bosses are much harder.
Hi! The Fingerpring Stone Shield, which you find close to the 3 fingers below Llyendel, is surprisingly similar to the blocks that produce the walls at the Finger Ruins. Could it be that someone took a piece of that wall and put it together as a shield? That would be crazy!. Nevertheless, you can still use the shields flavor text to conect the flame of frenzy with the fingers, via a shared mother
😢 if you ever feel like you have to take down the old shibiri video and re-upload a new one for us you know we would always hate that LOL LOL
in fact I'm gonna go find it
Nanayas torche i think is actually madras spine. If you look you notice dans migraine doesnt not have a spine befor he swap to the lord of frenzy
I interepeted the owls not being afflicted with frenzy having to do with them being wise and having good mind, which i believe increases reistance to sleep and frenzy
When I picked up a Winter Lantern Fly, I was so pissed. Then I saw the yellow head. I always hated the Winter Lanterns.
This is off-topic, but have you considered that the body inside the cocoon in mohg's arena is godwyns?
I would associate shame with the emotions that make subjects potential vessels for the frenzy flame more than hopelessness and despair
I never realized Edgar the Revenger was a Banished Knight. It is obvious after hearing you say it.
Isn't the actual Vyke in an EverGaol in the Mountaintops of the Giants?
He failed to become a lord of frenzy, but during our fight he does become one. Perhaps because he endured for so long
I think the overall message is that maidens will drive you to madness so stay maidenless and keep buying video games
i like how gold mask and midra skinny
i have a fetish for skinny guys
i myself am 40 kg
You Can sneak past the frenzy lanterns lol, just don’t touch the sound plants
midra becoming headless, can symbolise him losing his mind
If Midra had to endure then he should've just the Endure Ash of War, what a genius
THEY DIDN’T GIVE US MORE FRENZY WEAPONS! I WANTED A SWORD AT LEAST!
You seem to have missed the things covered in red cloth before the boss fight are finger ruin fingers
Nope. Empty and boring. A waste of an area. At least not as bad a finger ruins
I love your videos, your informative in a tone I can vibe with😊
This area gave me Bloodborne vibes and I was here for it!
Wish they had done more with area. Basically empty
Im just going to say this but what if frenzy flame was like the opposite of the greater will, like the greater will creates things and frenzy destroys them like the three fingers said they separated (idk if those things were lying cant trust a crazed man) and the reason why the greater will left is because after it created the world it thought of it as a failed thing after sending the elden ring seeing how like cruel the world was
Or maybe since Marika took put the rune of death and stuff the greater will sent the three fingers to spread frenzy to make sure people could truly die in both body and spirit
Also I might be wrong but i’m pretty sure there is a painting of the shaman village in the manor that acts as an illusionary wall, further fueling the idea that Midra is from Shaman village and potentially a neuman just like Marika
Is there two? Minus the obvious one you get with the portrait of nannaya and midra?
It's not Shaman Village, it's a painting of how the Manse and the Abyssal Woods were like before the frenzied flame corrupted them
I mean I seen theories that Midra and Nanaya are Marikas parents.
Wonder if it's a look at how the land of shadow as a whole would look like before it all getting burned during Messmer's crusade. Maybe the shaman village looks the way it does cause it was preserved by Messmer for Marika.
However, if Midra was indeed a numen, it would explain why he took an interest in the frenzied flame.
The torch is he unborn baby's spine
i'd be a frenzy lord too is i was mid
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11:01 “Hyetta actually”
I interpreted it as Midra already being inflicted with the frenzy flame, and the barbed spike was what was holding it back. He "endure"d the pain to prevent the catastrophe that allowing the flame to consume him would bring. Hence him apologizing, then saying "I have endured enough". Not that I gave it nearly as much thought.
I love the way you pieced everything together here! I found the Abyssal Woods and Midra insanely interesting and the atmosphere was so good. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on Metyr and Ymir!
Midra has no spine, he has that branch sword, so I do think Nanaya is holding his spine. I believe she is his maiden and lover. He is pretty old next to her. That fact also made me think that she met him because he was trying to follow the madness. Conjectures though, as always.
suffering seems to always bring a god, fire giant, mogh, malenia, the caravan. romina of the bud, marikas people it seems, i think the misbegotten in Castle Morne are trying to do something similar with the tower of dead on fire
the hornsent must have worshiped serosh hes a lion! my lil theory is godfrey and marika somehow took power from him, its odd that serosh and godfrey are more like miquella and rodhan that marika and godfrey
and i've been thinking, why did marika hide her hometown? is alot in the land of shadow that could destroy it and would have motive, why she lock it away, i think people to quick to jump to she is a victim conclusion
also if the land of shadow the land of the dead where all the bosses n npcs that died? like rogier
I haven't gotten down to the Abyssal Woods yet but if you kill those owls do they drop slumbering eggs like the owls in the lands between?
And Irina didn't bring us to the Proscription. That was Shabriri in Irina's body. We see Irina dead in the Weeping Peninsula and then we meet Hyetta in Liurnia who is this totally innocent girl on a pilgrimage and then the next time we see her she is at the bottom of this place we just fell to our deaths a million times trying to get to which was below one of the the most brutal areas we had been to in the whole adventure. She was not human.
What are your thoughts on Midra being Marikas father? In the “family portrait” his consort? Wife? Is gently laying a hand on her stomach, so it can be assumed she was pregnant. Not to mention their names are similar Midra, Marika. Just a crack theory of course and certainly not one I came up with, but I’d love to hear your thoughts! Great vid as usual madman, have a good one!
The real Vykke is imprisoned in an Evergaol in the mountaintops of the giants. The cultists on the Altus plateau keep trying to summon them but they can only conjure his spirit, which is all that remains.
So what i came to understand about Vyke's situation is that the first vyke you found was merely a manifestation of Vyke from his frenzied eye, which he tore out and left in the village, most likely leading to the spread of the frenzy within the village due to it being basically direct influence from the frenzied flame. Vyke was then imprisoned elsewhere. This means that he only has a single eye and thus was not fully turned to frenzy. He was basically a half lord.
Honestly dude idk how much there is to really analyze about this area. 2 new enemies copy pasted about 5 times and a cook book. And a talisman. When I explored the first time it was frustrating finding nothing. If I play the dlc again I won't do anything but walk straight to the Manse.