What Pokémon Games Could and Should Be (But Sadly Aren't) (Series Comparison and Retrospective)
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2020
- The Pokémon series has seen a shift in game design over the past decade, but not in a positive way. This transition has been accompanied by a large amount of criticism from some of the series' long time fans. I try to identify how exactly these games have changed and why they're worse off for it (if they truly are).
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This is a retrospective, review, analysis, and comparison of the entire mainline Pokémon series, and as such, it covers a large breadth of topics; it's a lot to take in, but I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts on the game.
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Given the announcement of Pokemon Legends Arceus, what are your hopes for the game and the future of the series?
I frankly just want that greater sense of challenge which you elaborate upon in this video. Picking which gyms to fight first gives the playthrough a sense of uniqueness that helps it stand out from the rest.
Another thing I really want from future games is the passion of its making to be present consistently. Having environments with more life in them would really help shape the world in a way the older games might not compare to.
@@snomflakes yeah kind of like crystal clear
I want to go on my own pokemon journey instead of following the one laid out for us
Maybe they could do this with an online mode
@@snomflakes I'm not sure gyms are gonna be in the game... not a bad thing by any means but I'm curious as to how/if they're going to implement a progression system
I hope they fix the frame rate issue
kinda looks like Pokemon BoTW
I don’t quite understand when the whole “children are incompetent” mentality started to develop in these games.
Well, about 6 and below kind of are now
Name one time someone 6 and below could actually do something with independent thought
They don't make it easy for the children. They make it easy for the reviewers and critics.
@@SkimBee Bruh if I could beat Pokemon Firered without knowing any english as 6 year old I'm sure the generation that literally grows up with smartphones in their hand can beat the new games.
Kids are not so dumb that they have to be guided through everything step by step.
@@yiangaruga4928 You're being too generous, these kids are dumb as hell XD
@@ShooterJay the idea that kids are dumber this generation is crazy and completely unfounded but I think Pokémon could definitely use different difficulties. Let’s Go was great because it was definitely designed for younger kids but the rest of the series shouldn’t have that feel
"We have to make the games easy for children!"
Seriously. I beat pokemon soul silver when I was 6 and barely knew how to read, why does gamefreak think kids are so stupid? fr tho its just a bit of trial and error instead of this handholding shit up until the 8th gym
Well, the world thinks children are stupid.
Heck, we even played some games in Japanese as kids just by trial and error
same i didnt know a lick of english and still beat soul silver black and white 1 & 2 og platium
It's because everyone thinks they're so stupid that they're becoming stupid. Our low expectations are making them try less.
Kids aren’t stupid just unwise
Even tho Hoenn was a lot of water, i remember it as one of the few games that actually made me use the map to see where the F i was, as a kid finding the little gap to reach sky tower and find rayquaza was amazing not to mention the bike control to pass through, reaching the tower with half team almost dead because all the random enconters and then try to catch that green beast, amazing video man!
This brought back memories.
I remember the same happening to me back then on GBA Ruby.
I even bloody learned Braille through the game manual in order to uncover the Regis.
Unforgettable!
ong they make the games so unbelievably easy now like kids weren’t beating the old games
And dont forget we didnt had youtube playtrough and tutorials.
Dude for these reasons I have never played a new Pokémon game past like heart-gold basically except the moba Pokémon game. I’m so disappointed, I’m a grown ass man, I want a challenge. Children do as well I guarantee.
The “too much water” argument isn’t that there’s literally too much water to know where you’re going. The problem is that going through water in most Pokémon games is just not fun and poorly designed. Water routes are like other routes if they were full of tall grass, with a chance of triggering random encounters on every square of the map. Add on to that the lack of variety in Pokémon found in these routes and you have a very monotunous and annoying experience. There’s only so many Tentacools you can kill before you start getting bored. A modern Hoenn game would not have this issue since random encounters are almost fully gone. You could just wade around the ocean and only fight Pokémon if you choose to. Look at f.e. the Cobalt Coastlands in Legends Arceus, no one really complained about that being mostly a water level because the player has more control of their gameplay experience. If you want to fight Pokémon you can and if you don’t, just evade them.
“Difficult battles help with creating memorable moments”
Yeah, my many attempts at Volo’s final battle is definitely burned into my memory now… I’m never going to forget the pain and suffering I went through battling that guy and that damn Giratina 💀
Volo definitely was memorable. I was so unsure of him. Enemy? Friend? Both?
When he showed his full colors I was pleasantly excited. It wasn’t a shock- but exciting nonetheless. And that battle. MAN I cannot remember the last time I was cheering, “THAT BETTER NOT BE IT, BUD. COME ON. GIVE ME YOUR ALL!!” And then his Giratina went organ mode I screamed.
DAMN that was a blast!
We need more legends games
I lost two shirts fighting that battle. ripped them both off of me.
I also found him quite challenging but that was mostly just because it was a big jump in power. Oh, and he technically had 8 Pokémon but whatever that doesn't count. Any ways the point is, I feel like the issue with Volo is the rest of the game was... Not easy, but the trainer battles were... Well, there weren't really any aside from the easy small trainers. That made Volo even harder since you have to cope with such a large power jump.
the whole "it's for kids" thing... I was able to beat Cynthia when I was like 10. kids like a challenge too ffs
they should’ve focused on entertaining their older fanbase that grew up with them rather bringing in newer ones and taking away the challenge we all loved while growing up
"It's for kids" isn't even an excuse they can use for the challenge or difficulty taken out of the newer gens. If it's for kids then it should be more difficult, urge training or thinking more because that helps kids grow, it's what's most memorable a lot of the time, and what is most achieving.
Tbh, I only heard from the cynthia memes that she is considered to be that hard. I had absolutely no problem killing her, back then and now. Even though I was like 10 or 11 aswell. It wasnt too easy, but especially not too hard, even for a lil child
the thing is that it's NOT for kids, it's for the kids that grew playing them and are now adults
@@daxterzokachuz2958 hell yeah
“ Kids are stupid” also kids: beat Pokémon platinum in Japanese
PokeTips?
Think he meant an American kid beating say the Japanese version of Pokémon Platinum
I beat chyintia when I was 10 and my
20 year old uncle can't beat chyintia even tho he plays pokemon for a year
@@nightwolf3167 smh I beat Cynthia when I was 7
My first copy of Pokémon platinum was Japanese and I beat it before getting an English version with HGSS.
Edit: I was 7-8 years old at the time.
I would do anything to make Pokémon games revert to the pixel style. It's timeless, unlike the modern uncanny 3D models devoid of soul, unattractive and inconsistent textures, and suboptimal rendering. I don't think anyone would complain if GF doubled down on pixels, either. A pixel art style can still be successful with a modern audience. Undertale and Stardew Valley spring to mind.
I am probably the minority with this opinion, but i would absolutely hate that. Back then on NDS it was absolutely okay and perfect since they had no other option than making the game in the pixel style. But now they have the option to make the game look good, but they are completely messing it up by just making these graphics REALLY uncanny which is neither the pixel nor the high-quality style
I agree with everything but reverting to pixelated graphics. It's just more limited that way. Pokemon just wouldn't look as cool.
@@oaky2222 same opinion
@@cliferf Pixel games look good. They have a consistent style which is easier to work with AND sprites always have more character than some T posing washed out plastic toy looking model
@@olliej.2776 it is obviously just taste, we can't say which is better because it is decided individually.
It would be really cool if you could interact with your Pokemon to participate in minigames to train their moves. Y'know, training, like a trainer. They could also make pokemon that aren't the common critter analogues (such as snakes, rats, birds, fish, you get the idea) be a lot more rare in the world. Where you have to actually go exploring in the areas they prefer in order to track down and find them. Actually training their moves like I said (or something like that) could make up for a lack of potent wild pokemon to battle.
More trainers and the ability to re-battle them would be good for experience as well, especially if they grew stronger each time. Heck, another idea is non-gym leader trainers getting stronger when they defeat you. There could also be ways to track down and battle strong common pokemon as well, such as the further from civilization you get, the stronger the pokemon are. With towns even being at risk of being cut off (as something some random person says and perhaps happening in the game at some point to some town you find in your travels as just a little side adventure) by strong pokemon.
Some could say this all would make the game tedious, but I'd argue that running around in grass, beating up the Pokemon that appears, and repeating this for hours is a lot more tedious than various minigames. Especially if they reduce the move pool (but still have a ton of moves) and create a minigame for each of them. Not necessarily the same thing but say unique to type and what kind of move. Like, bullet seed and bubble and bubblebeam could be based on the same training minigame but flavored for grass and water respectively.
I am absoloutely into this idea! The minigames are great, but I really latched onto the idea of the abnormal (to us?) pokemon being harder to obtain, especially via having to find them in special areas or weather conditions. It'd make those pokemon feel more rewarding to obtain and special, while also making it more viable to use the "lesser" pokemon like first route birds or bugs.
Or if they were rare trainers who constantly move around the region just like you!
Non gym trainers did actually used to get stronger and you could rematch them.
"the bare minimum", is a good way to describe pokemon right now
Not even. The bare minimum would have be having the entire pokedex.
@@seansavage4845 but how can they sell the rest of the dex later then?
The bare minimum is being a bit generous
That’s the reason why I switched to Digimon, the games they hace rn are FANTASTIC and it might be because it’s a smaller franchise and they make everything possible to stand out
The bare minimum made them rich, why would they change? If anything, I think they would make a lot more money, if they decided to make it into a constantly evolving open world, that constantly had updates and things going into it, but you have to be subscribed to it in order to experience every single thing.
I always hated that whole "It's for kids" excuse.
First of all: Kids are pretty smart.
Second: So what? That means it's okay if it's bad? Why?
Pokemon pulled a Sonic Boom...
Lots of games are designed for kids, that's no excuse for them to be badly designed.
Imagine designing a toy that you want to sell the idea of to a company but it already breaks apart if you hold it the wrong way. "WeLl iTs mAdE foR kIdS😃👉"
Because kids have no quality standards
I was able to figure out the Regi puzzles in Ruby when I was 9! The new games are pretty much, hold the stick forward and mash A. Even kids's games shouldn't be this dumbed down
@@80sForever29 The adults that look back on the things they enjoyed as kids do have standards. So.
Scarlet and Violet were so close to being great again. The open world and the nonlinear gym progression along with the added titan and team star battles had the potential to lead to amazing new experiences for pokemon fans but it was too rushed. The story battles didn’t scale and the overworld was glitchy and unfinished. If the game had been given more time in the oven I truly believe it would have been one of the best games in the series. I love it as is, but it is still disappointing to see Game Freak rush it
i didnt experince much glichs the only ones i got was the frame rate in the classroom when u first starteded the game and anyways they needed to rush it in games there is balance between rushing and not rushing if u rush it the game sucks if u dont u take 10 years and your fan base dies out
@@ashura-nz5xd surely theres a middle ground though, i mean pushing 1-2 mainline games every year on top of spinoffs versus one every 10 years is just the extremities. they could wait an extra 6-12 months really finalize and polish it up and they wouldn't lose their fanbase.
If only the pokemon anime was like this too
I think the world itself should be a bit more immersive and realized
More detailed/fleshed out
Kind of like certain areas in Botw
There are glimpses in SV but more often it’s just a bit bland and empty of a landscape with not a lot of detail
@@MasonOfLife its pretty immersive and realized but u are right it can be a bit better but its still good idc cares its a good game
I was between 4 and 6 years old when I played Pokémon Red and I have SO many clear memories of it, and just thinking about this game gets me so excited. I played maybe half of Shield two months ago and have absolutely no memory of it. I randomly stopped playing it just because I didn’t cared about anything in this game and didn’t even think of it until now.
It’s so frustrating to have all this material that could create great games and stories and to just have it repeatedly stuffed into a boring story that leads nowhere just for the sake of putting new pokemons and legendaries there because that’s what’s always been done..
Same here. One of my greatest discoveries as a kid was what "gee, I'm thirsty" means and how to get to Saffron city :D (Pokemon games definitely incentivized me to learn English when I was in primary school). Nowadays, after beating Omega Ruby and Moon, I've just lost interest in Shield mid run. Pokemon games generally aren't exactly challenging, but in SwSh I've overleveled and steamrolled everything despite actively trying to handicap my team by changing mons often (I don't think it's exp share fault, there seems to be something wrong with how fast Pokemons gain levels). There's no sense of exploration, because journey is just like a walk through a straight corridor. Finally, story is bland and dialogues boring. No reason reason to load up that save file again :(.
At least Arceus was nice in terms of exploration and story was ok-ish (nothing amazing, but there were some nice ideas there that reinforced sense of adventure), so I'm hopeful for Scarlet and Violet.
How I would describe my experience with Sword and Shield:
I'm 17 and on my senior trip. I'm trying to explore the art museum across the street but the teacher keeps pulling me aside and telling me to stay with group and look at gravel.
That's a good analogy
And then you never get to go to that museum. The trip ends, and all you can do is try and imagine what could have been at the museum, discuss it with a couple other people and think of what you might have just missed
The museum could have been anything. Amazing, bland, but because you never saw it you're left with past experiences and imaginations
You've gone to a couple museums, they were pretty interesting, maybe this one was too, but you'll never know now
That is, unless you pay the same price to go to the trip again, and maybe you get to go to that museum this time, after more gravel sightseeing, maybe just maaaybe there's time for that museum this time. But are you going to pay for the trip, knowing it's only a chance? They showed a picture of the museum, but didn't actually mean the museum
@@emmareiman64 even better analogy my man. Summed it up perfectly
You’d think a 92 billion dollar franchise would be able to produce an exceptional game.
And not have to charge another £25 to finish the game
Ikr
@Agent Eagle lol why?
My thoughts exactly. I haven't bothered with Pokémon in years but if they made a botw type game for exploring I would be obsessed
The reason why they won’t is because They know no matter what half-assed unfinished game gets put out, people will buy. When games such as Pokémon Battle Revolution and Pokken have better animations (that still hold up to this day) than your main series games it’s time to let another studio produce the games because Game Freak clearly doesn’t care anymore.
TBH the pet feature was kinda fun in XY I always played with my team after an important battle or just an battle and it had a use as your Pokémon got the relationship bonuses which I do know kinda feel weird but if you actually have to do something for it I deem it justified that you get a bonus
I feel like the mechanic took a good first step, being able to pet your pokemon was really fun to me and the minigames were alright, even if this first iteration was really limited. The pokemon being completely broken was a problem, but it wasn't a big issue to me on a casual playthrough. Having the option to remove/reduce the effect would be better though. The main issue really is how it never improved. Now we have to deal with a 5 minute sandwich physics cutscene just to give the pokemon affection and can't even pet them anymore, it just hasn't really developed since XY
I have never seen anyone else mentioning it before, maybe I missed it, but I have always thought that HMs were a good solution, but they shouldn't take move slots, and should be like Let's Go techniques, even before they were invented. So you still need a Pokemon that can use Fly, Cut, Surf, Flash, but it should be your Pokemon, adn you don't need to remove an attack slot. Like when Ash used Charmander to light up the cave. Your Pokemon are the ones who should be helping you on your journey. I wanted it to happen since before Let's Go. It's weird how they can program HMs, program techniques, but can't program a combination of both. Like, you already have a running animation of Ursaluna. Why can't you make it into a rideable Pokemon?
I don't understand the "it's for kids" argument. Getting my ass kicked in pokemon emerald was so much more fun than snoring through Kalos's gyms
yeah im playing firered and i have to train my pokemon to beat the elite four
I remember losing to Tate and Liza multiple times and getting my revenge with Blaziken and Peliper 😂
Remember getting stomped by Cynthia in White 2 and in Diamond!
@@pengu108 oh i remember having to stay on routes to train my pokemon because if i just ran from gym to gym i would be too weak to fight them.
Since you are a clever adult now, maybe you should start playing on set mode and turning off that exp share
Rivals in older games: "What, you just battled that tough gym and barely won? Alright, now that you are weak I can clap your ass easily"
Rivals in new games: "Hello, I'm your friend, let me hold your hand, let's go through that one small batch of long grass, did that lvl 3 Rattata hurt you, here let me heal your pokemon every 2 seconds, here have a free rare candy or two"
"Oh, you want to battle? OK! Lets do this!"
*Proceeds to put down own Pokemon*
@@dippin4dots *one
There were even 'nice' Rivals before
that i had no problem with,
and yet, i still despite Hop so much.
His talking, his nonsense he spouts during matches,
about it being always a close match, even though that's
not true.
You will never lose to him ever. So there's only 2 options:
Either you dont care OR you feel bad about beating him,
which is a negative thing.
I dunno if this is an unpopular opinion, but my favorite friendly rivals are Bianca and Cheren. They had great personalities and even though they battled you after basically every gym, you're all on the adventure together from the start!
"B-but Hop is your friend too!" I didn't really feel the bond I had with the Gen 5 rivals. He was always complementing how well you battle. Instead of like.. I dunno, like Cheren and Bianca. Maybe this is nostalgia talking, but Gen 5 felt like an adventure with friends more than a British dude holding your hand.
Tbh
Gen 1 and 2 actually had *RIVALS*
Why bother improving the game when it will sell well anyway?
The future of good pokemon games lies within the modding community.
I didn't buy arceus. We need to not buy these goddamn games man.
@@nonamesinspace1291 arceus is actually good tho
@@nonamesinspace1291 dude arceus is one of the best pokemon games of all time
@@nonamesinspace1291 u chose not to buy the only amazing game they’ve made in years
@@jamilf9947 Its like waiting for a shooting star to pass, but when you gave up and turns away, it passes.
I think having depth of story in children's media is great, as long as it prompts questions as opposed to imposing answers. Having a narrative isn't the issue with the weaker Pokemon games. The problem is the intrusive hand-holding and oppressive rail-roading, which the designers sadly use the narrative to do.
i never understand the "it's for kids" argument because the older games were for kids too.. you can make a game that's appropriate for children while also not making it a hollow shell. and the funniest thing is how they're constantly pandering to older fans with nostalgia bait but somehow they're making the games for new kids.. :/
it’s the most common argument I’ve seen from people that disagree with the vid... I think that just shows an unfairly low standard of children personally
@@jackdonsurfer totally agree.
@@jackdonsurfer What's most hilarious about that arguement is that people who use it are 100% wrong cause GameFreak itself actually disagrees with said people. "Pokemon is for kids" is wrong because GF has said that it's for everyone in numerous interviews.
The only reason it feels like Pokemon games are for kids only these days is because GameFreak for whatever reason thinks that making the games as easy as possible thus making the more accessible is synonymous with making the game for everyone... While in reality it means that the older fanbase can't even enjoy the games.
@@yiangaruga4928 They're just being hypocrites at this point. And to be honest, the "It's a for everyone game" while also saying "it's for kids" are just marketing or PR replies just to satisfy some of the player base even though its not true.
Go to Japan. Within about thirty seconds you’ll come to the same conclusion
Nintendo also need to realise that half of the player base are kids from the 90s that are adults now.
it's not nintendo's fault though
*Game Freak
AKA "Pokemon is 4kids!"
92' played Gens 1-4. Tried to get back into Pokémon and played Sun/Moon. I was highly disappointed and bored. Too much handholding. But from this video maybe I need to check out Gen 5, sounds like it is the last good game for us older players.
@@dwight179 As someone who played Gen 5 as one of their first Pokémon games, I'd really recommend them. The storyline and lore of it is incredible, the storytelling is interesting, the routes and areas are explorable and I still carry many memories from when I played them. Not having Pokémon from previous generations was kind of a lackluster for me, but the games are really interesting, would recommend.
19:48 this sums it up so perfectly. The first 10 minutes of sun and moon when they had a whole ass cutscene to show you how to jump down a ledge I instantly knew things were going to be painfully slow
I love the diamond and pearl contest system. I’d always come back to them just to have a break from the Pokémon battles
It’s 2020, I want voice acting and realistic battle moves. It’s not hard. Also I want an “I’ve played like ten Pokémon games before, no tutorial needed” option.
i do want voice acting to, and not a minecraft villager noise, a real voice with real words.
and i don't think we need realistic battle moves, i want magical places to explore. i just want a real adventure.
Breath of the Wild is honestly the start of a mainline Nintendo franchise in terms of voice acting, so people could still be turned off by that.
I think an early game gym leader would be a decent idea for testing how capable a player is.
(ex. You sweep the 1st leader, but your team is still around their level, so you get the hardest difficulty set of trainers vs. You sweep the 1st leader, but only because you overleveled, so the next segment of the game gives you trainers with tricky strategies you can't beat by oveleveling).
That moment when the Dark Gym Leader Piers was singing....for a very annoying long time... and he was just moving his mouth but no sound came out.
@@00Hendrik00 and he's made to babysit the trainer by giving hint on what move, type or ability his team member has just because its a traditional non dynamax gym
They have the money to hire more animators
"it's hard to imagine a kid picking up sword and shield the same way i played pearl as a kid and getting really attached to the series, to the point where they'd be making a 5500 word script trying to express their disappointment that the franchise they once loved has consistently fallen short of their dreams."
.....wow. that was powerful.
More telling then anything else. I don’t think any long time fan is gonna get the same enjoyment out of newer Pokémon Games as they did old ones. Simply put, theses games aren’t for them. They’re for kids now, and my little brother loves sword and shield (and so
Do I).
I think it’s kinda stupid to expect newer games to appeal to you as much as the older ones they played as a kid. It feels more like some people just can’t accept they aren’t in the target audience for these games anymore.
And if you do imagine it ... how bad would those games released around 2040 have to be to evoke such nostalgia for Sword and Shield?
As a kid I played red and blue, then yellow.
Sword and Shield was the game that got me disinterested in the main series games
@@rahla5683 i didn't really care for gen 7 but swsh was kinda the last straw for me
The Pokemon Colosseum/XD soundtrack is an absolute banger, hearing it in your video was super satisfying
I ADORED Unova because it was full of insanely beautiful spritework, and it felt so insanely new when compared to every other game. Having an entire roster of brand new Pokémon felt like Gen 1 again but without the relative clunkiness of Gen 1. I’m sorry ‘Genonners’ but Gen 1 really wasn’t the absolute best. I like Red and Blue- it’s a good game but it’s so full of flaws and kinks that were almost entirely worked out by Gen 5. Kalos, Alola, and Galar are insanely linear, way too easy, and I truly cannot get halfway through either of them without f***ing off and going to play a Unova game or Diamond and Pearl which I should say is literally just Diamond and Pearl for people who hate change.
I mean, come on give them a slack they're indie developer and don't have that much budget to work with...
Oh wait, they're a multi billion company?
The Pokemon Company =/= Gamefreak
But you're right
The funniest part about that joke is that indie dev ARE WORKING HARDER. Look into kindred fates.
@@yopi_yopi Oh, with Indie games, there are a large bunch that really want to make their games stand out, and they use their understanding of game design to do it. Like Shovel Knight, it's designed with difficult, but fair platforming challenges in mind. Or Hollow Knight and its major Metroidvania vibes. Cuphead with their boss system, Super Meat Boy with its split-second responses, and that's only the fraction I am most intimate with.
@@ZudeXbox360 ikr!! This is also why an indie pokemon (like) game would feel refreshing because ppl can finally use ideas GF just either dont get the time to do or dont want to risk anything. My love for indie game is enormous. Don't forget stardew valley!! It took some time to make but it was literally a one man project and in retrospect it's incredible (and crazy good if you compare it to its inspiration aka harvest moon). The og creators even thought it was a nice legacy to it!! But surely the Pokemon company would be too scared from competition ... a bit of a shame because I think competition means something is lacking from the original concept.
So yeah I think, even if it's too good to be true, Kindred Fates want to bring that originality of interacting with your monsters and making them talk etc. There is so much room for opportunities with a Pokemon-like universe handled by indie game devs 💖 even if it sounds wayyy too promising.
There's probably a lot of thoughts to put into it but that's basically what ive had in mind rn 😥
@@yopi_yopi hey man you should check out temtem
Its really stupid how gamefreak is so focused on making pokemon a kiddie game but panders to a generation that no child today would be as interested in
Edit: Masuda has made a statement during black and whites production that he wanted pokemon to age with the players. So he's even a bigger liar than i thought he was or nobody knows the demographic for pokemon. If you dont believe me check out gnoggin's black and white reboot episode specifically 2:37
Actually, I don't know. I'm rather surprised how well a bunch of kids I come across are familiar with the first generation Pokemon.
Still...
@@XellosNi thats why i said "as interested". They'll be interested but lets be honest the kanto pander is for long time fans. Gamefreak doesn't want old players being overwhelmed by the new stuff so they put familiar faces
You can hate on SwSh all you want but you cannot lie the OST SLAPS
@@albertthepeacock8020 heck yeah. Im a music man first and a sw/sh hater second
I had this very same thought but its because Game Freak wants to force Gen 1 on younger audiences. Its like "Hey we made this easy game that features some of our most loved pokemon! Play it!"
and by easy, i mean when they literally hand hold cutscene after cutscene after cutscene in gen 8....you know the parts.
I really didn't want to watch a 30 minute video explaining all the things that I have been saying, but I have to give it to him, I haven't watched a video this good explaining the topic. I really hope Game Freak and Nintendo watch this. He really goes over everything explaining how you can literally make a perfect pokemon game. I feel like the whole Pokemon Community has this same views, yet Game Freak isn't listening to the community that plays their game. 20:00 mark is where people should really hear what he is saying. I've been playing pokemon every since I was little and it just seems that every game they are releasing is just getting worse and worse. They've changed the style of Pokemon now making Pokemon into Apples & Ice Cream or making the proportions weird and splashing them with everycolor from the rainbow just so they can be applying to kids. Slapping together Sword and a Sheild a $60 game and then going and adding a $30 DLC, that's where the game Devs are going down the wrong path. I think Nintendo and Game Freaks best option is to really just listen to the community and the people who are die hard Pokemon fans, the people that have been playing this game for years and years. I'm pretty sure everyone can ramble on and on about this topic and no one will probally get to this part of my paragraph review but thank you for taking the time to read this.
and this is why i love the rom hacks and fan games. much more memorable than the newer pokemon games and more satisfying to complete
Indeed. Pokemon Clover is one of the best Pokemon games I've played in a long time. There's an insane amount of content present in a ROMhack made by 4chan of all places. A lot of love, passion, and makes went into that game... Unlike everything Pokemon has released post BW2.
@@Blu3-Fir3 never played pokemon clover
If you want a super hard but addicting pokemon experience. PLAY. POKEMON. CLOVER. It's SO fun!
"It's for kids"
"Are you implying that the game quality is low, and that kids deserve low quality games?"
> : (
Where did i hear this exact sentence?
@@zirzeus2645 it’s basically the view of most pokemon fans of any age
@@vikavoltisepic3507 But i remember this exact sentence from a video or an essay, but i don't remember from where
@@zirzeus2645 oof, ig just read the comments of any game freak announcement to do with pokemon or watch a negative review video of sw/sh and look at the comments
@@zirzeus2645 Yoooooo same, that second sentence is from somewhere I just don’t know where
Bruh imagine if your Pokémon’s natured determined there personality in Pokémon camp that would’ve been cool
That would have been smart too.
Imagine a pokemon with the nature "Serious" and the pokemon keeps thinking "I WANT TO TRAIN" and stuff
We need the ingame tutorial to go over what pokemon nature actually fucking means in terms of IV's
they kind of do
my Umbreon's characteristic is that ''it takes lots of siestas'' and I usually see it dozing off in my camp.
it might not have much to do with natures tho
@@fatedmicrocosm5837 Characteristics are IV hints although they could in theory also could be incorporated in their personality set.
Tbh violet scarlet has me weirdly optimistic after having the same overall feeling from the other Pokémon games for so long, the Pokémon just seem so much more alive then they ever have in the trailers :P
Same! And the open-world theme gives me a sense of excitement.
Respectfully, Scarlet Violet are hot garbage. People are still losing their save files.
@@Halwyn_Parrish resurrecting a 8 month dead comment lol
SV is mid at best. You're forced to wear garbage unisex school uniforms (even worse actual Old Men students wear the outfit too....shivers) instead of the great customization gen 6, 7 and 8 had, Most NPCs can't be talked to, garbage framerates well below 30fps they refuse to fix, mediocre dlc, can't enter most buildings, shops are now just a pop up menu, etc. This is the last pokemon gen I take part in. It's obvious TPC only cares about merchandise and maybe the anime (the games are just a half arsed attempt to promote the merch)
I think X/Y’s Amie was the best since it had the stuff refresh has but with mini games, all refresh had was petting, feeding, and washing. At least they had Mohn’s island though.
@@mr.lholmes650 So… are you enjoying Legends Arceus?
Simple things I want in Pokemon:
-optional harder mode
-Challenging leaders, bosses and rivals
-Every trainer has a team of 6 (except maybe at the beginning where it makes sense they would have less)
-starter trio with types other than fire, water and grass
-less Gen 1 pandering
-stop holding my hand
It’d be nice to re-battle opponents too
Although it sounds good on paper, giving all trainers a team of 6 would kill the pace of the game and make battles feel tedious and too long. Everything else sounds perfect
I grew up with gen 1 and I'm tired of seeing gen 1 Pokémon
@@jlm4037 Just more trainers with 6 pokemon is good. There's no reason whatsoever for the last few gym leaders, E4 and champion to not have full teams.
Starters with Fire, Water, and Grass demonstrate the basics of types. It was done very well in Gen 5, where it was a simple introduction to type matchups and you could get the monkey that was the opposite type of your starter that helps you figure out the concept. After that, we were on our own.
It hurts me how much I agree with this
Yeah
Hey my favorite smash content creator
Same
Ditto! There’s a reason my profile pic is a Cyndaquil! Because I made a connection with it, and my other Pokémon.
hi hopcat, and ya, I hope *if* they remake diamond and pearl, I hope it dosent become mudded up like these recent games
When I was younger I got lost in that damn cave too. It took me literal days to finally find my way out. But when I did I was so excited to finally continue the game that I still remember it. The new games just feel lack luster and it honestly isn't even hard to get legendary pokemon anymore. I remember how hype it was to finally find a legendary, at the very end, and catch it. Now there's like 50 legendary stuffed into one game that have very little solid lore. Pokemon games have been kinda declining
On the topic of non linear paths, I always remember what an undertaking it was to reach Pacificlog town in Gen 3. I didn't have any guides so it was just up to my memory of stumbling across it in the playthrough before. I needed to stock up on potions, revives and even some PP restores. I knew it was going to be a *very* long journey and I would have to pay attention at all times, strategically dodging trainers to keep my item stocks high without breaking off the path I needed to reach the town. Along the way I found lots of cool areas I never knew about, especially with Dive. And reaching the town was always a stepping stone for a larger goal. It was my home base so I had a Pokemon Centre nearby when I went to catch Raquaza, with Sky Tower being a brutal challenge in its own right. I always felt so much relief when I finally made it to Pacificlog with my Pokemon on their last legs. The new games have nothing like this. A huge journey with the player figuring out where to go and not sure if they'll make it.
The wild area in gen 8 is a bad attempt at compensating for the boring routes
To me the wild area is the most lackluster feature ever to be added. With marketing that you can now control the camera?? I could control the camera back in Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time. You can't climb or jump or crawl to explore. You can't even traverse over a one foot gap between terrain height because of the terribly dated design. It really feels and looks like a bad mobile game at this point.
@@KillSchwill im shocked no ones even mentioning hoe they be using the same animations and shit from 2d games in a 3d game, like npc's walking on a grid or pokemon models statically hopping, rotating and sliding instead of an actual animation for a 3d model.. like come on this aint 2d, shit even pixel games had better animations like bruh? 😂
@@KikonSketches I know right? Pokémon could be such an amazing looking game if they took the time to make better fluent animations and interactions. Even knockoffs like Temtem have better graphics and animations than Pokemon.
"i've never settle for mediocrity as an acceptable standard and neither should you"
- Seto Kaiba, Yugioh DSOD -
Kaiba the GOAT.
Pretty much what I see from people who like swsh and it's just like... man why be content with just okay
@@AlphaladZXA you know what makes it funny?
if you take out the 'pokemon' from the game, people will be mad and keep saying this is a $60 game with $30 DLC?!
lot of people just dont realize that pokemon is now selling nostalgic value and doesnt showing any evolution in their game for years
One year later and legend arceus just proved this video right by rocking that awesome goldeneye 64 level of background graphics.
Imagine getting a Pokémon game as expansive as HG/SS on Switch,
It's my favorite pokemon game, two regions in one, the only pokemon game which you could walk with your pokemon on the world and they made an impact on them too. The pokewalker even made my lazy 14 year old ass go for walks just to discover new areas
I mean, look at my name of course I love it
BEST remakes, so far
Gold and Silver aged so well they are both so enjoyable. If Pokémon could pull this off again I’d be surprised. It doesn’t even seem like they want to
Soul silver and platinum are some of the best in the series for me. I haven’t played a single game since black 2 and white 2.
The Wild area feels like they made the wild area like
Producer: “Let’s add a wild area”
Director: “We don’t have space tho”
Producer: “Don’t worry just make a flat plane that connects two towns”
Director: “Aight”
It had so much potential but they kinda just wasted it.
i dont know why but i think GameFreak is kinda lazy to make great wild area like BOTW, GTA, etc
its not "we dont have the space" but rather "we dont want to design the space because we dont have to do it to still make money"
Abel Parvez I feel like gamefreak should step down for a while
Too true
In the older games, you are the hero and being a Pokemon Trainer was treated as something akin to a hero by the people in their world. People weren't like "Ugh, kid, just go away and let us adults handle it", instead they were like "Ugh, kid, just go aw- wait you're a Pokemon Trainer!? Thank God, we're saved!" In the recent games, you're not the hero. if anything, you're a pest to the heroes.
I understand that the games are made for 10 year olds, but so many people in their 20s and 30s would really like for the games to grow with them. And I don't think that you have to pick between which demographic you make the games for.
The original Game Boy games could also be played and understood by 10 year old children :)
dynamax is literally just gamefreak saying, hey lets take mega evolution but make it last three turns and have each attack be a z move
dynamax is so CRINGE holy shit what a bad idea, if it was only mega evolutions would be soooo much better. I get so pissed off how gamefreak hold this game, the ceo should be fired rn omg
True tho
@@audra2575 damn, chill lol
@@pixlyJolt srry man, was a high testosterone moment
@@audra2575 huh.
Waiting for Pokemon Left and Right to come out.
Pokemon Yes and No
Pokémon Plus and Minus
Pokemon Hi & Bye
Pokemon salt and pepper
Pokemon Rich and Poor
Absolutely fantastic retrospective. The way you described the correct game design that made pokemon what it once was and what it still could be was spot on.
From what i've heard, Scarlet and Violet apparently have 3 individual stories that are completely separate and you can choose what to do more freely, rather than just being forced along a singular story path. I know it's hardly perfect, but at least to me, it does make me want to try these new games once they come out, because it sounds like it'll be fun to explore the new region.
honestly that is a really good thing they’ve added truly makes it open world but the major flaw is the game is either too easy or hard because of the leveling up system
Yes and no. While you do have the choice to tackle any challenge you want, there's no level scaling based on your progress (eg you can take on a certain Leader first, but their pokemon are going to be high 40s despite you not having a single Badge yet)
@@Bludgeta9001 Yeah, I was kinda disappointed by that. You can "technically" do it in whatever order you please, there's still an intended path.
I remember how pokemon black would make me feel, heroic, hopeful, sad and even scared
Yeah black was my first to
Pokemon black ripped me from my V to my A. Never went back to white.
@@hellodarkness5644 ill tell you what mane dang old gen 5 man was the shit man I'll tell you hwat
Pokémon black and white was the shit back then
Oh definitely, and the music is incredible
I honestly think their point about pandering to children is bs. I played gen 5 when I had no idea what pokemon was when I was like 10. I was the biggest idiot and while I struggled at some points I figured stuff out. Gen 5 was fantastic as an introduction. There was so much to do and explore and I had done multiple hundred+ hour playthroughs. I think the only point I ever needed help was when I was an idiot and couldn't figure out I needed a flying or fire type against the bug gym. It was challenging but really really fun and exciting. People underestimate kids way too much
Every time I hear that current Pokemon games are made for children, I question myself for whom was the first generation then? What about the Regi puzzle in gen 3?
It's just an excuse, plain, simple, and pretty bad when you think about it for half a second.
@@werisekk3 Because they learned that things like the Regi puzzle were bullshit
@@icecontrol1 The Regi puzzle is probably the only case I can think of where a puzzle in a Pokemon game was straight up unfair/bs. Sure, there are some cases of Pokemon and other things being gated behind annoying mechanics (Feebas in Gens 3 and 4, Honey Trees in Gen 4, etc) but they're for the most part pretty fair.
Saying that they're making the Pokemon games easier and that they hold your hand more and more just because they're "for kids" is a pretty bad excuse. The older games were very successful and appealed to kids without them being absurdly easy and halting your progress every 5 minutes to tell you to go somewhere you were already going.
Gen 5 was even my favorite to even tho I played one play through and lost my copy :’(
@@G0o0ober2 Gen 5 is definitely one of my favorite Gens. It strikes a good balance between telling a story and letting you do your own thing, while the newer games don't (I swear I can't walk 5 steps without getting stopped by SOMETHING in Sw/Sh).
Still, my favorite Pokemon game to this day is Pokemon Crystal. Is Gen 2 a mess of a game sometimes? Absolutely, but I can pick it up and play through it in a few days and have a complete experience. Definitely can't say that for Gen 6 and forward.
You know it's bad when your players can make a better game than you.
Nostalgia is a powerful thing
The sad thing is, when it's a spin off Pokemon is usually better than mainline.
Rangers has a better connection to the pokemon, Mystery Dungeon has way better storytelling and character growth and the new Snap game is probably gonna be way better at making Pokemon interacting with each other than any of SwSh's overpriced DLCs could
And Colosseum had the difficulty down pat.
Thats cause those games WERENT handled by money thirsty gamefreak lol. Genius sorority,etc were ones who worked on these spinoffs. Which is another reason why they have more growth,content and story telling (:
The progression in mystery dungeon stories was awesome! In explorers, at a story beat, you got dragged out into the whole new environment half way (don't want to spoil it). You were left to what you had and it was hard, scary and you felt the same way your characters did which translated to the story. That was like 10 hours of gametime where as an 8 year old, I felt the most invested in the stakes in a pokemon game in my entire like. Mainline games since gen 6 have never touched that level investment.
Conquest had playable trainers that specialized in one type of pokemon just like the anime, but the pokemon themselves had their own gimmicks besides just type advantage/weakness, so you had to assemble teams around the map and the pokemon's attack ranges instead of just picking the widest type coverage and the biggest numbers.
@@Lagzlot Conquest was the shit!
You know what would be cool? A rival like hop, but with a twist. they always lose, and they get destroyed by you and your team. Of course, they get depressed, but instead of regaining their confidence and seeking another thing to do, they turn towards the evil team, who give them hope of being great and having *unlimited powaaah*!
That would be great.
And you try to defeat them, to show em that having an strong team isn't all to being a good trainer. You need the power of uh... Love and friendship, or something
Yes, having it to were the rivaly ends up destroying the friendship.
that sounds like Sasuke
@@pengen_gantinama 😂😂 fax
This Video is still way too nice. These games are trash and
need to be called out.
Missing Voice Actors, no Story, making Pokemon pop-into-existence in the Overworld in the most ugly way that should just never happen... it's too much wrong with this franchise too count. I can literally not list all.
Rivals? Legendaries? Tutorial-Skip? Evil Teams?
I cant list it all. It's too much!!
I CANT LIST IT ALL!
This world feels less alive than any game i ever had.
Even Red and Blue, who were just some pixels, felt more alive! No kidding!
Idiots say that this franchise needs no good Narrative,
which just shows that gamefreaks mind-control is working.
They dont want to deliver quality and many delusional
Fans think they dont need Quality.
We obviously need Story, too. A lot even. That’s just
obvious.
5 Million Issues if you dont care for the National Dex
is obviously way too much.
The "It's for kids"-argument is just objectively wrong.
Evidend and proven by none other than kids, duh.
Kids look up from their game and ask their older siblings or parents "What... What is Gamefreak doing???"
Literally. I have seen it, i swear. Literally!!
Insulting the Fans intellect, adult or kid, is unacceptable.
Him: I'd be nice if it was open world, but I don’t expect them to go that drastic
Me from the future with the next to installments, both open world: 👀
Breaking news they sucked
The battle with Ultra Necrozma in Ultra moon and Cynthia in the original Diamond are the memories I'd never forget!
Bro when you said Sobble could’ve been the Lochness monster I was like “well shit”
We got Pokémon James Bond instead
This would have been amazing
that's lapras
"Their unlikeability"
Only thing I remember is
"Smell you later"
You have to remember most pokemon veterans played these game when they were kids, bullying hit harder for the weak minded
There were even 'nice' Rivals before
that i had no problem with,
and yet, i still despite Hop so much.
His talking, his nonsense he spouts during matches,
about it being always a close match, even though that's
not true.
You will never lose to him ever. So there's only 2 options:
Either you dont care OR you feel bad about beating him,
which is a negative thing.
It was his actions to. Like showing up to the SS Anne right before you get to the last floor with his fully evolved starter and kicking your ass.
Yeah exactly, the rivals were always pushovers. This vid is acting like they were actually competent before. Only difference now is that the rivals are more honest. I would crush Gary everytime just like Hop, except unlike Gary, Hop wasnt delusional.
I loved your video and would love to hear your thoughts on Legends.
pokemon never being a triple A open world RPG game available on PC and console like a Skyrim, etc is a travesty to humanity... truly a sad missed opportunity
I can still play the old games and still have fun even though I've played them 1000 times.
I can‘t say that about the new ones.
Same ...
I LOVE pokemon fire red
I played emerald 3 seperate times in 2018
Gen 3 and gen 5 I played these two a lot
Where do you play them? The older ones. I always wanted to but do not know how.
As a member of sobble squad I can literally not describe the physical pain I feel when I see sobbles final evolution
I was team Sobble until the final evolution was announced, once again, a completely ruined water evolution line for me. Pretty sad that this happened two generations in a row
Idk, I think it's pretty alright, especially among the humanoid gang of the newer generations. He's a smug bastard and all of the smug bastard pokemon are good
I felt the same about grookey and rillaboom
I like how it looks still, but the monotyping almost ruins it.
It should be Water/Dark or Water/Fighting (If they don't want a greninja)
Okay the use of Pokemon Colosseum music just elevated this about three levels. Great Job dude
The first time I played through moon I loved it, and I was and still am really attached to that team. But I have played through the ultra games so many times that it has started to feel like a chore. Just imagine what the ultra games would have been like if it was open world.
I want a rival that starts out like Hop, friendly and nice, but then as we progress they start losing more and more battles making them frustrated and doubt their abilities. From there it all goes downhill for them and they go from friendly to a jerk rival. Then during the championship they start to question why you keep winning and after a realization they start to self reflect. Then during a post game they keep their jerkish nature but they try their best to be nicer still having that sarcasm and sass like silver and blue.
Not really.
Turning into a huge jerk after many losses is a sign of a sore loser.
Here's an idea:
Have Hop start out as a TOTAL NOOB. He knows next to *NOTHING* about Pokemon typings, advantages, disadvantages, movesets, EVs, IVs, etc. That would add logic as to why he picks the starter weakest to yours.
Then, as the game goes along, he learns from his losses. He takes notes, he grows, he evolves. Then, at the championship battles, he would've been an expert due to the losses, research, and wins that he experiences throughout his journey. Heck, depending on your team before you enter the league, he'll have a team to counter your every Pokemon.
When he inevitably loses, he shakes your hand, symbolizing that despite his loss, he truly enjoyed the struggles, the teachings, and the victories that he gained along the way.
That's a good one. As if the current """writers""" for Pokémon games could ever create meaningful character development. They'll be sticking to cardboard cutout archetypes that don't grow or change at all, with the biggest "development" coming when the antagonist just falls off the face of the Earth when they lose or just sits and laments their failure.
Omg YES!!!
@Ghettodi nixoh They have before with Blue, Silver, Cherin, and Bianca. What the hell happened to GameFreak?
Plus post game they should have a Red like battle to try and prove themselves one last time
Pokemon gen 10: Game literally plays itself.
Game journalists: iT's ThE MoST sTrEaMLiNeD GaMe!! TruST Me I pLaYeD TheM aLL iT's ThE BeST oNe YeT!!
Pokemon quest already does that
Wow. Official console version of a mobile game? Have we come full circle (or been fully corrupted)?
Exactly. it’s so disheartening and pathetic
@Hen I’m weak lol sword /shield has N64 trees 😂
Mmorpgs act like that
One year later id love to see a legends arceus video.
Would love to see an updated take on this after SV/PLA
my favorite thing about the isle of armor is how you find emolga. emolga are shown to sit on branches & fly from tree to tree. sure, they have a bit of a static movement pattern, but it was incredible seeing that as someone who’s loved emolga since gen5 came out (my second electric type ever!). emolga never even notices you! YOU have to go out of your way to get its attention for it to come to you! THAT’S the kind of “wild area” pokemon needs, showing pokemon in habitats & them doing their own thing. it should be up to the player to catch it, instead of having every pokemon run towards you mindlessly. some pokemon run away from you, which is a nice feature. YOU’RE meant to go catch em all, not have pokemon run into you to make it easy
I think it makes sense for at least *some* Pokemon to try to chase and attack you, though. That gave a feeling of enjoyment to a lot of players in its own right. There's a reason highlight clips of Trainers being chased were so popular when the games came out. It made people feel tense and wanted to avoid picking fights with Pokemon that were too tough for them to battle or catch, or made them want to run away from Pokemon they didn't feel like encountering. There should be a balance between how different Pokemon behave in the overworld, and I think SwSh does a decent job at balancing it out to some extent--Pokemon like Wimpod run away from you, for example, and then there are Pokemon like Emolga like you said. I agree that they could definitely put more detail on how each species behaves, though!
Komaru Naegi oh im not saying that there shouldnt be aggressive pokemon, im just saying that not all pokemon are automatically aggressive. an obstagoon would def chase you while a golurk, not so much
@calacalamari
Oooh, I get you then!! My bad!!
@@komarunaegi7460 Yeah, but it doesn't help when you have a draw distance of -2 feet and you accidentally slam into a wild pokemon
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Eh, I guess I’m used to RPGs like Earthbound where there are a ton of enemies in the overworld that are hard to avoid and they all chase after you anyway. SwSh isn’t that different when it comes to that, only Pokémon are easier to dodge even if encounters happen often.
Black and White had some amazing plot points ngl. LIKE REMEMBER WHEN THAT WHOLE CITY JUST FROZE, OR WHEN ALL THE GYM LEADERS PULLED UP AT THE END TO FIGHT WITH YOU IN THAT TOWER THINGY?!?!?! Scenes like that fr made my childhood lmao
same! especially the gym leaders coming thru like that, nostalgia
Here is what I would love in a pokemon game.
1. Good character design
2. Make it run good and have good graphics
3. Put actual work into the designs of pokemon and their shiny variants
4. Add pokemon that can change based of weather affects (Somewhat like Sawsbuck)
5. Add defirent difficultys for the game (e. Hard, Normal, and Easy)
6. Let players trade, battle, and interact online
7. Make good animations for pokemon and let them follow you around the overworld
8. Make cutscenes that are not only good, but that can also be skipped
9. Add things into the post game such as being able to battle npcs, medals /trophies you can get.
10. Good music/battle themes
11. An actual good rival
12. Make the story good
The virgin Sword and Shield: "You need to go to the hotel" *exits building* "Ah challenger, you need to go to the hotel so follow me" *dragged along to the hotel* "Here's the hotel you're staying at. Please head inside" *fade to black as you're forced inside* "Hey there, now that you're inside you should check in."
The chad Emerald: "That's it, Rayquaza must be at Sky Pillar!" *leaves you alone as you spend hours looking for where Sky Pillar is, checking everything until you realize there's an unmarked island on the map with what looks like an ocean path leading up to it so you spend another 30 minutes trying to find the correct path because there's a legit dead end path that tricks you into thinking you can't go further* "Oh sorry I just left you in that cave, I was too excited lol. Anyways head up the tower champ, I need to head back."
Bro I nearly forgot about that time when I was really young and got stuck in that cave in platinum for so long that I think it was the first time I rage quit, then came back to it like a week later, so determined and eventually found my way out. I don’t think I had ever been so happy before. Thanks for reminding me😊😅
Happened to me in Pokemon Red or silver ... Don't remember. Eventually i had Played the Game so much that i could geht through the cave blindly and knew exactly where to go how many steps.
Hahaha same as me!
They need to go back to the old styles like Pokémon black and platinum and soul silver. Harder competitors and less child like corniness.
exactly, it's too easy and the exploration was boring.
In the game for children because ultimately pokemon is for kids
@@jupiterjam9776 Pretty sure most of those 'kids' that they are talking about also already grown up too
@@Akashi-ml9dn the game is made for children I didn't say it was made for a specific group of children just that it was made for children
@@jupiterjam9776 being made for kids means it excusable for it to be bad? NICE LOGIC lmao
This was a great video! I really enjoyed watching it. Your reasons were valid and I think you really pointed out a lot of what we all are feeling! Thank you for sharing your creativity!!😊
Watching this video now after pokemon legends arceus and the reveal of gen 9, it seems that the games might finally take a turn in the right direction
We still got an unfinished product and have to pay for extra content that should have been in the game in the first place
The problem with modern Pokemon may be that they keep releasing games every year or so, whereas before they would usually only release every couple of years between generations. They're not giving themselves time to learn from their mistakes. And they keep throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks, only to discard it in favor of trying something else new.
The franchise needs to find a consistent direction again, even if it's just opening up the world.
What are you talking about? Look at this graph here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_(video_game_series) and tell me how is different of how it was recently
icecontrol1 they graph literally shows that before, game freak released a game a year for maybe 2 or 3 years and then had a year between. Now they are releasing them too often just like he said. Not only that but those games game freak used to make before usually had a remake of some previous game during those couple of years where they made a game annually for 2 or 3 years. In terms of a remake, they don’t want to make it too different otherwise it wouldn’t be a remake.
Great point, but personally I think the community is at fault. During the Unite Presents, people were expecting Sinnoh Remakes and Let's Go Johto. Keep in mind, it hadn't even been a year since SwSh came out. So, yeah
id argue the games would be easier to lose interest, a longer time means more hitters and the lows are even more painful.
@@chris07 well thats true but pokemon said it would be a big announcement of a new project and during the presentation they announced this they had a pokemon snap sequel so of course people would be hyped.
Gamefreak is basically how not to handle a big franchise. On the other hand, Minecraft (another huge franchise) is being developed pretty well by Mojang. They listen to their community, they deliver good content and DLC is not a priority.
(edit: to anyone below the comments tryna change my mind, i don't care)
The only problem I have with Minecraft is that skins on consoles are not free. If people want to pay for skins that's fine, but I want to upload my own skins and use them for free (like Java).
@@SkyNinja759 im just lucky i play minecraft on my phone
Minecraft is a completely different style of game so that is not really a fair comparison to make as pokemon has a release every 2 years yet mc works on the cycle of 1 release with a regualr update cycle ie the development cycle is far more relaxed and focused than the pokemon project which while built on the same principles and as game development gets streamlined simular codebase to eachother will have unique features and gimmics that pertain to indevidual generations and/or consoles not to mention 2 years is not enough time for the size of company game freak is to develop a largely overhalled experience between gens and consoles however they do not get a choice in this as the pokemon company esentially holds the control my guess is cos they are doing so much but are limited on resources and havent fully worked out the jump between the 3ds and switch that they wernt able to implement animations, better textures and the full pokedex in time but cos yall would complain if the next pokemon game took 3+ years between releases rather than 2 and cos of the jump the experience is way more time consuming and intensive to develop they are stuck in this nightmarish place that mojang doesnt have to deal with due to the incremental updates
TL;DR dont compare the 2 and dont complain if the next pokemon game takes longer to dev as the assets and work required doesnt appear outta thin air like many fans and TPC believe
Pokemon is the most successful franchise of all time..... so you are .... wrong. Minecraft is what it is because of its community the moment they get board or turn against it Minecraft dies. Pokemon just keeps making Pokemon games over and over and every new generation has their own to start on. No need to fix what is not broken. Dumbass people but the same FPS over and over year after year. Pokemon is what it is and you either like it or you don't. None of the things complained about in this whiney video have anything to do with what makes a Pokemon game what it is. If you do not like the game play something else. This crap just makes you look sad.
@@WillisPtheone "No need to fix what is not broken"
Nobody, and I mean nobody here is saying that the Pokemon game loop needs to change. It has been established a long time ago that people love the premise of pokemon games, that's why they buy the same damn game every time. Sure, there are people who say stuff like the gym system needs to go etc. But they're a small minority.
But here's where you go wrong and utterly contradict yourself with your statement. You call this video whiney without realizing that the video is in fact criticizing the games exactly because *they are no longer as they used to be.* Like did you even watch the video?
He compares the new and old games throughout the video and talks about pacing, region design and difficulty and the whole point of the video is to point out that those things have become so simplified in the new games that they're not the same and thus not enjoyable anymore.
People don't want strict change, they want *improvements.* Pokemon Sword & Shield is so full of cut corners and awful design decisions that of course fans are pissed, they no longer feel the same about the games. There has been complaints ever since X&Y came out and SwSd were simply the last straw to those people.
If the games had not cut the national dex, had a satisfying enough story, some difficulty, less handholding and the region design wasn't completely linear people wouldn't complain nearly as much about the less important things like graphics. But because SwSd is so lackluster and bareboned, people try to find at least something good about them but the fact is that nothing *fundamental* in these games is good so everyone gets frustrated. They're utter trash compared to the older games. Everyone is pissed not because the games haven't changed but because the games are missing everything that made the old games great. GameFreak removed all those aspects.
"No need to fix what is not broken" Yeah piss off. If you think the games aren't already broken just from lacking everything that makes a good modern RPG then I don't know what to tell you.
My favorite Pokemon games were the remakes. Specifically HGSS and ORAS. I surprisingly liked Black and White 2. It was a very different feel than the games prior. XY being the first game on the 3DS was also an extremely memorable experience. For one the game had an amazing soundtrack. As soon as Sun/Moon hit, I wasn't really captured enough to buy it, since it seemed so much like the other 3DS titles (at least as far as graphics), and I had just put thousands of hours into the previous games. I guess I got pretty bored after that.
Replaying Black 2 now I just came to the realization that Black 2 and White 2 are the epitome of how Pokemon should've remained: creative, engaging and mysterious
The suspense of having 1hp on a gym battle, hoping you get a crit is much better than one shotting everything.
Yes
If you are one shotting everything then you have decided to overgrind the gyms and probably play on switch vs. Set. Regardless of those self-imposed ways to make the game easier, the AI is unbelievably ignorant sometimes doubling up on status moves even if they have you asleep and the strategy employed by gym leaders (the supposed best trainers in the game) couldn't beat a 7 year old playing on the competitive ladder. I don't think anyone is expecting GF to make a game with a difficulty curve on par with a Drayano rom hack, but the only way you lose to a gym leader is if you play the game the same way you see people play mobile games in ads (intentionally stupidly)
@Jett Lucas Hayes So... don't use Mudkip if you want a more fulfilling experience then. Every region has a starter that makes the game easier thats the point of them, they were the original difficulty settings in pokemon (for early game).
Heres the starter difficulty up to gen 4
Red/Blue
Bulbasaur is easy (super effective against Brock and Misty), Squirtle is normal (supereffective against Brock Ok against Misty) and Charmander is hard mode (Weak to Brock and Misty).
Gold/Silver
Cyndiquil is easy (Super effective against Bugsy and bellsprout tower), Totodile is normal (Ok on all gyms in game), Chikorita is hard mode (Weak to Faulkner and Bugsy).
Ruby/Sapphire
Mudkip is easy (Super effective against Roxanne and immune to Watson), Torchic and Treecko can go either way (in Sapphire Treecko is better in Ruby Torchic is better)
Diamond/Pearl
Chimchar is easy (if evolved supereffective against Roark then breezes the game (also best of 3 fire types in DP)) Turtwig is normal (Supereffective against Roark and Ok against Gardenia) and Piplup is slightly harder mode (Super effective against Roark weak to Gardenia).
@@Logicalleaping It is kind of sad that I have to chose a starter I don't like due to the one I like making the game insanely easy.
@@actuallykiro6998 well thats just the way of pokemon. Most of the pokemon people don't like are bad and most of the pokemon people like are great. After you play pokemon for long enough you just use pokemon you've never used for a new experience.
The game doesn’t need anymore Pokémon, it needs more interesting stories, and maybe even your own customizable character where you can battle in many tournaments in an open world. Just a start
If you want a good open world Pokemon game try crystal clear it’s definitely the best pokemon hack ever and I do mean that
it doesnt need anymore bad pokemon. maybe make 10 - 20 new pokemon per game that have outstanding desing and include all the old ones
you know youre right i think they should stop making new pokemon and make it so that the old pokemon were found at the same time in some other regions other than their origin region and also there should be a region where you meet all the old protagnists,you find out where did they go
I mean they can make mor3 pokemons , but the designs make me cringe hard asf especially the new legendary that is criwn tundra and its uglier then trubbish
Intellion made me laugh ngl a sniper right it gave shooting fingers another meaning
Looking back at this video after scarlet and violet, and legends, Arceus, it’s really fun to compare how he predicts in the video to what the Pokémon games actually have become.
They still need level scaling though because I did the challenges in the wrong order and it was fun going through the harder challenges at first but then extremely boring going back to the easier challenges
Amazing video! spot on, well organized.
“The irony of instant gratification is that it isn’t gratifying at all” very well said and a good overall summation of the problems with modern game design, especially with regards to Pokémon. The designers need to remember that the earlier Pokémon games were already designed for children, and those of us who grew up with the earliest gens have fond memories of the challenges we had to overcome.
Back then I feel they were designed for adolescents in mind, now they are designed for pre-teens, 7 year olds and 6 year olds.
Even 8 year olds feel SwSh is too easy.
I don't know what Gamefreak thinks but kids are good at video games.
It's amazing how 99% of people aren't asking for an insanely difficult pokemon game, just for a pokemon game that's just as difficult as they used to be (which, admittedly, isn't particularly), and Gamefreak still doesn't live up to that. I'd rather a 2d sprite based game with actual difficulty than a 3d game with cutting edge next gen graphics. But, then again, I didn't even like the 3D pokemon games when those were limited to console outings like Colosseum or XD. Pokemon always had its own distinct feel, and Colosseum just felt like any other jRPG.
What? I'm all about instant gratification! Not on this games, just in general. As an adult I've learned how much struggling and working for something truly sucks. By the time you get it you don't even enjoy it that much anymore since it's hand in hand with all the struggle and time it took. Instant gratification might not last that long, but at least you actually get to enjoy it.
...and I just realized this has nothing to do with the video or even the comment all that much...oops?
"I love Cheeseburgers."
*"I'm going to make a new Cheeseburger, but take away the beef patty and the cheese."*
"Huh, this new cheeseburger tastes plain. I guess I'm too old for cheeseburgers now."
That's NOW how growing out of something works.
New Pokémon in a nutshell:
ruclips.net/video/Ug75diEyiA0/видео.html
Now, some people really like the bread, and there's nothing wrong with that.
But select few will go to the ends of the earth to defend that bread, and never give even the cheese a chance, they won't even consider that the whole thing could be good. This is a bad thing
@@FriskyD. When #WheresTheBeef is questionably countered by #ScrewTheBeef
Same story with me and My Little Pony haha. I just feel like the shows quality severely declined in the later seasons.
Gamefreak is Failing Epic again and again, but they dont even know they do, probably.
Cause incompetence makes them only look at Sales Numbers, which is of course a noob mistake.
But they are known for Noob Mistakes - who can blame them? They do it only for Decades now, give them some time!
But seriously, this Franchise is a Mess. And surprisingly, a lot are. I really do wonder if this is coincidence, but whatever.
Important to know is the fact that defending these games, like delusional fans do, is the main reason why we dont get better stuff but only will get
even worse stuff.
For me, EXP Candy and removal of HMs are quality of life changes. If anything, remove EXP until after you have become champion, so you can more easily enjoy the post game without grinding every pokemon you want to use. Bottlecaps are bloody fantastic
Thanks for putting into words what I was thinking and feeling!
Has been long since I haven’t watch such a good video analysis of the Pokemon games decay, amazing work @jackdonsurfer
It’s a damn shame these games should be looking like botw by now
That game isn’t the best graphical wise either
@@sovietninja6865 Breath of the Wild was intended to be on the Wii U, which is why it’s graphics are the way they are. Age of Calamity’s Graphics are what I’d assume we’d have had if the game was developed with the switch in mind.
You expect gf to make Pokémon look like breath of the wild with only a year or two to make them?
@@sandslashproductions4037 not my fault they have a poor system. They need to give themselves more time and stop trying to make new Pokémon every single year the designs keep getting worse we have enough. What you just said sounds like an excuse they have the ability they just choose not to it’s simple.. It’s their fault they are releasing a Pokémon game in a year. It’s like 2k it just gets worse and wors
New games are cash grabs only.
The worst part is that Game Freak will either never see this or won't care if they do. I have loved Pokemon pretty much my entire life and what you said is exactly how I feel in regards to the most recent gens. I want to have the same sense of wonder and mystery, the same feeling of triumph, and the same bonds that I made in Platinum, but Game Freak's refusal to try will never let me experience it in a new environment. I really want Pokemon to succeed, but if honestly feels like they don't even care anymore. Another thing is that we need to stop thinking that kids are dumb. If we were able to handle Gens 1-5 the so should kids today. Like why do people think that just because it's a kids game it means you can excuse every single flaw the game has. It's very frustrating, especially since many of these games franchises has a very sizable portion of fans who are adults. They should be considered too.
Because the US government rewards profit and not actual innovation. This also explains why so many narcissists and know it alls are being born into the world 😔
@@NightMourningDove but they're a Japanese company... not even touching that other bs you said lol
You America haters need a brain
@@brentsta if you need proof that America rewards profit look at our healthcare
America hates Pokemon. America kids have no respect over America Pokemon. America cannot allow Pokemon to be popular because America still only wants repeat and technology. I hate America loves repeat and money appearance. Bring back America love variety appearance. America screwed over variety like Pokemon and Avril Lavigne and still only want repeat version of popular like SpongeBob and streaming. I want my Pokemon is very popular appearance back, America.
Gamefreak is Failing Epic again and again, but they dont even know they do, probably.
Cause incompetence makes them only look at Sales Numbers, which is of course a noob mistake.
But they are known for Noob Mistakes - who can blame them? They do it only for Decades now, give them some time!
But seriously, this Franchise is a Mess. And surprisingly, a lot are. I really do wonder if this is coincidence, but whatever.
Important to know is the fact that defending these games, like delusional fans do, is the main reason why we dont get better stuff but only will get
even worse stuff.
I often said that open world doesn't mean a lot of unique things to explore. A truly open world pokemon game would take a lot of time and money to develop and design every fun detail the old games had. These companies got to balance between pleasing the stake holders and the customers playing them. They can't spend 10 plus years developing a single pokemon game, rendering an entire world into 3d. It would cause a franchise to loose relevance and significantly slow the revenue stream of said franchise. What we end up with is a game that has to simplify and often cut a lot of unique areas to get the game out in the market just so our avatar can walk 5 times further to see more rocks and trees.
Open world works for games like Fallout or Breath of the wild because there world is in ruins... There's not suppose to be that much going on. But in a franchise filled with yes ruins but also, several towns, towers, multilevel caves, hidden factories, outposts, entire optional routes, your not going to get all of that in 3d. That's why I think Galar is so bland. I can almost guarantee you in Legends Arceus, Pokemons first open world game, will feature the town in the trailer and maybe a small few of interesting tidbit in the wilderness if we're lucky. That's will be it.
13:17 I’m going to defend this. I’m sorry. It’s always been said that it’s stupid that it takes a random 10 year old to take down a terrorist group, and we question why the adults never do anything. And here we are with an adult stepping up to confront a threat to protect a 10 year old from having to sort it…. I fully endorse this. Leon is the most responsible adult in any pokemon game there has ever been.
As a matter of fact I quite liked the fact that the intensity had been stripped back for the plot on this story. It was a basic gym challenge adventure, and it was so refreshing.
I feel like as soon as the games switched to 3D, they were lacking in just about everything. I feel like GameFreak should take like 5 years to make Gen 9, instead of releasing them in 3 years with a rushed, unfinished product. Sword and Shield with the DLC is what the games should have been from start.
That's because GameFreak's dev team is made of incompetent "industry veterans" who have no idea how to program 3D. The fact alone that the battles are viewed from the same angle as the old 2D games says it all, they have no idea what they're doing.and yet they refuse to hire new blood. Heck, they have 6 years of 3D experience now and Sword & Shield is still terribly made... The incompetence is real.
Can't do that chief, they gotta make something every year for the merchandise and the anime.
@@lourdcebuma3957 even if they take 5 years to make the game it will still be bad. It's lack of expertise
It's lack of expertise, not time. Each pokemon game makes 100s of millions. They can have about 3 different huge teams working on 3 different games at once. One working on mainline games, one working on remakes and one working on spin-offs and they can release a game every 1.5 years. That will have each team working on a game for 4 years.
@@lourdcebuma3957 2 years is more than enough to make a game as basic as pokemon. But GameFreak refuses to hire enough people and they're so bad even in basic 3D programming that even 4 years wouldn't save the games.
I remember how frustrating trying to track down Suicune in Crystal was. At times you'd feel so close only to end up farther away. That led to one of the more rewarding and fulfilling parts of the game once I finally did track it down and catch it. It created a huge sense of accomplishment within the game.
I remember trying to catch Raikou. Just flying everywhere
Yeah, but seriously fuck that. I'd rather transfer him over from Colosseum than deal with chasing the fucker down. It was not a good design.
I remember in one of the remakes I went out and tried to find one of them and when I finally managed to get into the same area as them (they moved so randomly across the region it was _impossible_ to time it right), they'd run away the first turn of battle after a failed catch.
Those, as well as Abra, are shit designs. I'm sorry, but they are. I get it, the challenge makes it better when you *do* catch it, but it's poor game design to make it so RNG-based. If they didn't run away afterwards, I'd have less complaints, or if they were more consistent in where they appeared so it wasn't a wild goose chase, that'd be fine, but together it makes for one of the most frustrating and unfair hunts for a Pokemon to date.
@@Lucifronz just use Mean Look or a Pokémon that has Arena Trap ability like Dugtrio so it don’t run away
Sometimes things are just frustrating for the sake of it. Gen 3 is a good example (Mirage Island, the Regis, etc.)
@@elcocho1568 why have I never thought of this.
Great Video that perfectly analyzes the strengths of the old games and why the newer ones fall short.