So cool to get an interview with Billy White. My introduction to him was on Up From The Ashes. That album is a masterpiece and I wish to god there could have been another record with that lineup.
Up from the ashes one of those jewels... Such an under rated record. Billy has so many incredible performances. Great songs and blistering solos. I still listen and get goosebumps. The solo on Stay is still one of my all time favorites.
.....Up from the Ashes will always be my favorite!! My favorite song is “Stay”! Love, love, that video too!! I will always love Dokken with Billy White!! The best!! Always!! xo ❤❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Up from the ashes was a great melodic rock album with excellent guitar work, what a great band. Billy is an under rated guitar player, he is phenominal
Went to high school with Jason and Billy. They played in our cafeteria. We could see them every few weeks at the ritz on 6th st. I was known as Wretch! Ah the good old 80's! 4 or 5 shows every week. Punk and metal. Everyone knew that Billy was more than just a metal guitarist! He was truly gifted! Very soft spoken and very humble. Jason was just an all around good guy. Always trying to promote the band. I remember they plyed at lake house and we destroyed the inside ohf the house!
Billy and I saw a crazy movie at Dobie Theatre call TOXIC AVENGER. Crazy and we laughed thru it all. He turned me on to Godzilla and Mothra and his toy collection when his bedroom was in his parents garage. Great Guitarist.
I wish there was a tab book with all the amazing guitarwork from up from the ashes. The musicianship was incredible ,it should be taught to music schools...
I saw Don's supergroup band open up for Poison Jan/91 in Winnipeg and Dokken (the band) owned that stage that night. Up From The Ashes is such a killer record and Billy was a huge part of it obviously. So great that you have a personal history with Billy. Great stories ...Great chat
This one is just so incredibly special. I remember Billy talking about a project before the Don D. thing he was considering the name Chimera I think? JJ Johnson was the original drummer in Blind Date. Those were some big shoes I had to "try" and fill. I was even just a little bit younger kid than you guys, and lucky enough to go to a couple Tower rehearsals. First time I ever saw musicians (especially a metal band) writing notation as they were writing rehearsal. The shows, the memories, the nostalgia. My heroes, my friends. Having lived through and around some of these stories in some small way, you guys were an inspiration for me as an 18 year old kid. For those who know, know how truly unique and surreal it is and was. What an honor and a privilege to have witnessed. My absolute favorite episode. Congrats, and thank you brothers. -Deej
@@ModernMountainLiving Tim! Hey dude! Man, I can't even think of how many years it's been amigo. Thank you for the kind words. Ahh, the Onyx and early Toys days. Such fun times. I hope life has been good. So, cool to hear from you.
Awesome interview. I feel like this answers so many unanswered questions about a real legend. Very cool that Billy found his place in the world. I hope you can get Doug on to do the same because there's no info about what he's up to!
I remember the Watchtower shows in San Antonio back in the day. One of the most impressive bands around. All the musicians from all the other bands would be there checking you out. That's respect.
Thanks for making this interview! Billy White is such a great musician. His guitar playing is amazing! It would be really cool to hear some of those guitar tapes that are mentioned at about one hour into the interview.
Id sat Billy influenced me to push my guitar playing. I remember my best friend pulled out two tapes in his white honda accord on the steeets of Austin back in the 90's. Jeff Buckley and The Billy Write Trio.
Hey guys PerryP.here.interestly enough,Jason at times during this interview look 20-25 yrs younger.as in the kinda greyish hair disappears...GREAT JOB AGAIN ,!
I’m a big fan and also opened up a show for Watchtower here in Houston Tx. At The high Chaparral club . Long time ago… a band named RELAYER! Also I’ve been trying to get Watchtowers first Vinyl for a long time. Can anyone recommend any help? Good stuff .
I would love to get him together with Paul Masvidal of Cynic. They have a lot in common both musically and spiritually -- i would totally be into hearing what they would talk about.
I don't know, Jason asks Billy awkward questions about when they were doing stuff in their youth, maybe Billy doesn't want to remember them, and Jason insists that he has to remember them with exact dates.
What a MONSTER player!!! Its sad that majority of guitar player fan boys worship someone like Kirk Hammett, who to me is an awful player! Especially live! Its horrible! Billy is the perfect example of true talent!
Metallica are a garage band of mediocre to poor musicians who got big because non musicians who don’t have an ear for quality musicianship bought their albums . Their hardcore fans were just stoners who spent their life wearing black jeans , shoes and t shirts but didn’t have a clue about music . At the end of the day you could say well good on Metallica , they made it big and are rolling in cash but I hear what your saying , it’s hard to watch that happen while quality musicians struggle away .
@@deanwitt7903 With due respect, I think you’re oversimplifying the individual and collective talents and tenacity of Metallica. Yes, they’re a band of garage urchins who never dreamed of their historical success, but they work hard at their craft and beat all odds with their brand of music. They definitely didn’t follow any recipe for success and I’d argue that James and Cliff are/were very creative and talented musicians and songwriters. Lars played a crucial role in their sound and was an absolute pit bull when it came to legwork and self-promotion. Kirk kept the band moving when Mustaine was dismissed. Nothing but respect from me. There will always be talented bands that didn’t “make it.” That’s the nature of the biz. Watchtower was one of those bands. Appreciate your thoughts and always enjoy a healthy discussion. Thanks for checking us out. - Dave
Billy kicks George's ass. Crash N Burn is one of the greatest metal guitar solos in existance. Up From The Ashes is as good or better than anything in classic Dokken's catalog. Nirvana sucks ballsack. Grunge sucks ballsack. The end.
Great to here from a guy that's pretty hard to find any info on, but Jason... man, you could really work on your interview skills. You're a great singer I get you have a history with Billy and that sometimes the interviewee needs to be nudged along, but it was fairly frustrating listening to a 2 hour interview that could've been cut down by about 45 minutes without the interruptions and fluff that only you and Billy care about.
We're more than happy to have female guests. And, for the record, we've had Brijitte West, Ruyter Suys and Guernica Mancini on the show. We've pursued others, but haven't been able to line up schedules (yet).
Every one out there needs to understand that Austin's very own "Watchtower " were way ahead of their time and Austin should be very extremely proud of our 1st progressive metal band that came from here; then it progressed into the mighty "Dangerous Toys", so, Austin, stand and be proud" of your own badass Metal music history!
So cool to get an interview with Billy White. My introduction to him was on Up From The Ashes. That album is a masterpiece and I wish to god there could have been another record with that lineup.
Here here. I would have loved to hear more of Billy in that context.
totally agree...Loved Up from the ashes..magical album and billy's playing was phenomenal.. Both he and Norum just slayed
1000% correct!! Amazing guitar on this record!
Up from the ashes one of those jewels... Such an under rated record. Billy has so many incredible performances. Great songs and blistering solos. I still listen and get goosebumps. The solo on Stay is still one of my all time favorites.
.....Up from the Ashes will always be my favorite!! My favorite song is “Stay”! Love, love, that video too!! I will always love Dokken with Billy White!! The best!! Always!! xo ❤❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thank you so much for two highly emotional hours - in the 80s WATCHTOWER were the heroes of my youth and WATCHTOWER are still my heroes nowadays.
Up from the ashes was a great melodic rock album with excellent guitar work, what a great band. Billy is an under rated guitar player, he is phenominal
Went to high school with Jason and Billy. They played in our cafeteria. We could see them every few weeks at the ritz on 6th st. I was known as Wretch! Ah the good old 80's! 4 or 5 shows every week. Punk and metal. Everyone knew that Billy was more than just a metal guitarist! He was truly gifted! Very soft spoken and very humble. Jason was just an all around good guy. Always trying to promote the band. I remember they plyed at lake house and we destroyed the inside ohf the house!
Wow Billy tremendous works Don Dokken record.
One of the true rock n roll legends of all time!!
Thank you a million times…
Billy and I saw a crazy movie at Dobie Theatre call TOXIC AVENGER. Crazy and we laughed thru it all. He turned me on to Godzilla and Mothra and his toy collection when his bedroom was in his parents garage. Great Guitarist.
I would like guitar lessons from Billy White! I remember when he was in Don dokken. The guitar solo for stay is like the best I’ve ever heard
So awesome to see Billy White. What an amazing musician.
Migthy Billy White and Migthy Jason McMaster. we need Rick and Doug too /,,/
Cheers from Mexico
I wish there was a tab book with all the amazing guitarwork from up from the ashes. The musicianship was incredible ,it should be taught to music schools...
There is a UFTA tab book! I got one ✌️
@@jrkruegerguitars can i get it somehow?
@@Painkiller30 Sure. I'm kinda busy recording this week, but I might find some time to make a pdf of it... Just hit me up!
A big shoutout to@@jrkruegerguitars ! He was kind enough to go through the whole tab book and make a pdf for me! You rock brother
Billy seems very genuine, great interview Jason!
I saw Don's supergroup band open up for Poison Jan/91 in Winnipeg and Dokken (the band) owned that stage that night. Up From The Ashes is such a killer record and Billy was a huge part of it obviously. So great that you have a personal history with Billy. Great stories ...Great chat
I still get the same rush listening to energetic today as back in mid 80s. It was the best
That was awesomeness extraordinaire!!
I remember the flyers calling it "Technical abstract techno thrash". I was 16 when I met you guys, and it blew my mind.
I definitely remember techno thrash on several flyers.
south texas local guitar hero , billy white was our guitar local hero
Rad as fuuuuck...thanks Jason and Dave for bringing any and all WATCHTOWER legacy videos/podcasts!
Nice job guys. Great interview.
Watchtower definitely grooves!
You wanna talk about taking a journey through life from all points look no further than Mister Billy White. He's rolled five lifetimes into one.
You nailed it. Good quote.
I like freaking out my musician friends with Energetic Disassembly
This one is just so incredibly special. I remember Billy talking about a project before the Don D. thing he was considering the name Chimera I think? JJ Johnson was the original drummer in Blind Date. Those were some big shoes I had to "try" and fill. I was even just a little bit younger kid than you guys, and lucky enough to go to a couple Tower rehearsals. First time I ever saw musicians (especially a metal band) writing notation as they were writing rehearsal. The shows, the memories, the nostalgia. My heroes, my friends. Having lived through and around some of these stories in some small way, you guys were an inspiration for me as an 18 year old kid. For those who know, know how truly unique and surreal it is and was. What an honor and a privilege to have witnessed. My absolute favorite episode. Congrats, and thank you brothers. -Deej
Great memories. Thanks for sharing.
Chris, I remember you as a solid drummer and person. Tim T.
@@ModernMountainLiving Tim! Hey dude! Man, I can't even think of how many years it's been amigo. Thank you for the kind words. Ahh, the Onyx and early Toys days. Such fun times. I hope life has been good. So, cool to hear from you.
Awesome interview. I feel like this answers so many unanswered questions about a real legend. Very cool that Billy found his place in the world.
I hope you can get Doug on to do the same because there's no info about what he's up to!
Thank you for this. It’s so nice to see an interview with Billy White after all this time. Awesome questions!
Patrick Young(Black N Blue) was in Don Dokken band before Peter, that is the rhythm section he was talking about i believe when he first joined DD
Yes, Patrick was there when I went to Don's house when Billy was first writing the Ashes LP.
I remember the Watchtower shows in San Antonio back in the day. One of the most impressive bands around. All the musicians from all the other bands would be there checking you out. That's respect.
Great interview. What a phenomenal guitar player 🤘
Miss ya, Bill
I miss you,Steve...JM.
@@talklouderpodcast4537 ✊🏼❤️ great interview, thanks for the mention!
Miss ya, Jason! GMC Forever!!
Thanks for making this interview! Billy White is such a great musician. His guitar playing is amazing! It would be really cool to hear some of those guitar tapes that are mentioned at about one hour into the interview.
Such a great interview guys. I so miss seeing BWT at Steamboat back in the day. A big thank to Jason and Dave for bringing this to us
Thanks, Brian. Great to hear from you.
Id sat Billy influenced me to push my guitar playing. I remember my best friend pulled out two tapes in his white honda accord on the steeets of Austin back in the 90's. Jeff Buckley and The Billy Write Trio.
Hey guys PerryP.here.interestly enough,Jason at times during this interview look 20-25 yrs younger.as in the kinda greyish hair disappears...GREAT JOB AGAIN ,!
Ahh! Finally!
🤘🤘
Was there sheet music of any of the Watchtower material? It's hard to play by ear lol
Hes a monster. That first Watchtower album is one of the nastiest shred records of the 80s
I’m a big fan and also opened up a show for Watchtower here in Houston Tx. At The high Chaparral club . Long time ago… a band named RELAYER! Also I’ve been trying to get Watchtowers first Vinyl for a long time. Can anyone recommend any help? Good stuff .
www.discogs.com/release/1923401-Watch-Tower-Energetic-Disassembly
Per Jason, it’s out of print so any copy you find is gonna set you back a bit. BUT, it’s out there.
I would love to get him together with Paul Masvidal of Cynic. They have a lot in common both musically and spiritually -- i would totally be into hearing what they would talk about.
I don't know, Jason asks Billy awkward questions about when they were doing stuff in their youth, maybe Billy doesn't want to remember them, and Jason insists that he has to remember them with exact dates.
His accent is almost Irish
What a MONSTER player!!! Its sad that majority of guitar player fan boys worship someone like Kirk Hammett, who to me is an awful player! Especially live! Its horrible! Billy is the perfect example of true talent!
No doubt, Billy’s a talented dude. We got a lot of great feedback (sorry!) from listeners and viewers who were happy to catch up with him.
Metallica are a garage band of mediocre to poor musicians who got big because non musicians who don’t have an ear for quality musicianship bought their albums . Their hardcore fans were just stoners who spent their life wearing black jeans , shoes and t shirts but didn’t have a clue about music . At the end of the day you could say well good on Metallica , they made it big and are rolling in cash but I hear what your saying , it’s hard to watch that happen while quality musicians struggle away .
@@deanwitt7903 With due respect, I think you’re oversimplifying the individual and collective talents and tenacity of Metallica. Yes, they’re a band of garage urchins who never dreamed of their historical success, but they work hard at their craft and beat all odds with their brand of music. They definitely didn’t follow any recipe for success and I’d argue that James and Cliff are/were very creative and talented musicians and songwriters. Lars played a crucial role in their sound and was an absolute pit bull when it came to legwork and self-promotion. Kirk kept the band moving when Mustaine was dismissed. Nothing but respect from me. There will always be talented bands that didn’t “make it.” That’s the nature of the biz. Watchtower was one of those bands. Appreciate your thoughts and always enjoy a healthy discussion. Thanks for checking us out. - Dave
@@deanwitt7903 heak yes! Finally someone who knows whats up! You are exactly right
Let the guest talk. You constantly cut him off
Billy kicks George's ass. Crash N Burn is one of the greatest metal guitar solos in existance. Up From The Ashes is as good or better than anything in classic Dokken's catalog. Nirvana sucks ballsack. Grunge sucks ballsack. The end.
Great to here from a guy that's pretty hard to find any info on, but Jason... man, you could really work on your interview skills. You're a great singer I get you have a history with Billy and that sometimes the interviewee needs to be nudged along, but it was fairly frustrating listening to a 2 hour interview that could've been cut down by about 45 minutes without the interruptions and fluff that only you and Billy care about.
And a suggestion...bring in a female guest once in a while... Nina Diaz would be a good choice.
We're more than happy to have female guests. And, for the record, we've had Brijitte West, Ruyter Suys and Guernica Mancini on the show. We've pursued others, but haven't been able to line up schedules (yet).
@@talklouderpodcast4537 Awesome. I havent seen all the shows yet but eventually ill catch 'em.
Every one out there needs to understand that Austin's very own "Watchtower " were way ahead of their time and Austin should be very extremely proud of our 1st progressive metal band that came from here; then it progressed into the mighty "Dangerous Toys", so, Austin, stand and be proud" of your own badass Metal music history!