For this to work, you will need a drive that is capable of reading 4K discs. I discuss this in the video linked below: ruclips.net/video/Jho_lc7OS9Y/видео.html
Java is still very much supported, with the newest version having launched 3 months ago. Having Java installed on your computer does not pose a vulnerability. Java remains one of the most popular and important programming languages. JavaScript is not Java at all.
I don't believe there has been any new release or support of the Oracle JRE in years, which is what all of the playback software wants. Installing the modern JDK doesn't work (even when populating all of the paths and associations manually), and even at that, the ancient JRE menu support is spotty at best. I don't think I've ever gotten it to work on a 4K disc. At minimum, I will maintain my position that any software that is installed on a computer, running in the background for no reason, is a security risk. I don't think I've had any cause to install Java since I was in Java class in 2003... except to experiment with bluray menus 20 years later. 😂 From a user prospective, it has gone the way of Flash. If programmers are still developing with Java and it's as transparent to users as C++ or anything else, OK. That's beyond the scope of anything that would require a user to install the JDK and have a virtual machine just sitting there waiting to do... "stuff". With all of that said... I'm still planning to continue to experiment. If a solution appears that simply _works_ at an acceptable level, perceived or real security risks or not, I'd do it and share it. If there are legions of IT security professionals in the comments explaining how to secure it, that's even better.
Oracle Java has been updated on September 19th, 2023. Java is very much still in use today, though not many use it in stand alone sotlftware, it is very much still used as a platform on many web services, and especially in the financial industry. In fact, if you were to learn any programming languages, and wanted to have a successful career, I would suggest Java or Python. Rust and Go are newer languages that would probably be good as well. But most professional coders I know work with Java. As much as I hate it from a user point of view. Also, since when does Java just run with nothing running it? It has an update notification, but that is it.
@@slaapliedje The modern JDK doesn't work for this and the ancient version of the JRE (which is the recommended solution by the software vendors) only works sometimes. Running an ancient version of Java isn't recommended. I don't recommend running any version of it because you just don't need it. I wouldn't have any other potential security risk just hanging out either. So, the short answer is that Java runs whenever it's hijacked by malware. No Java, no hijack. Just like SGX on Intel chips. No SGX, no exploit. What I would really hoped to have seen in the comments from the Java experts is someone explaining how to make Bluray menus work reliably with the modern JDK. I'd be delighted to share that solution.
@TheBrokenTech I mostly use Linux. I will flash my drive (I happen to have the exact ASUS model needed because it was on a list of drives that can read / copy PS3 games that I bought and ripped to play on my Steam Deck). Pretty sure I have gotten menus to work on regular blurays via a library from mkv and VLC using Linux, have not tried in Windows yet.
Excellent video! Very informative. Watching your portion on Bluray & UHD (lack of) protective layer, I can't help but wonder where we'd be if HDDVD beat out Bluray. The former actually had a 0.6mm layer versus the pitiful 0.1mm layer in Bluray & UHD. I suppose either way the corporations would've still moved ahead with killing physical media.
Thanks! It's hard to say, but I think DVD would have had similar problems in the long run. HDDVD discs were down almost 50% in capacity versus their Blu-ray cousins, then that became a factor of 3 in the UHD Blu-ray era. It seems that they may have had to change their discs mechanically at some point just to make room. That's why Blu-ray did it.
I remember being assured that bluray was going to be indestructible next to DVD and CD. CDs seemed to scratch if you sneezed in their general direction but it just skipped on one moment in the song or at worst locked up and you had to manually go to the next track. Of course, along the way error correction was getting better for a while. I remember having some DVDs with a bad scratch that would crash a cheaper DVD player but the Blu-ray player would go by the moment like nothing happened.
With each advancing technology the durability seemed to take a hit. To a point, I understand it since the laser has to be more and more accurate with each evolution, that means finer and finer defects will cause read issues. In that regard, and probably only that regard, I won't miss physical media once it finally sunsets.
I'm only at the 25 minute mark, and my brain is very tired. But I had to stop to give you a thumbs up and become a new subscriber. I can't wait to watch the remainder tomorrow, after a good night's sleep!
You underestimate the consumer market. Physical media is going nowhere for a handful of reasons. 1. They keep pushing 4K and even 8K now and regardless of streaming, streaming services just can't keep up with bitrate. 2. The market has proved there are enough cinephiles to make a profit on physical media. Even Disney has started releases blurays and 4K discs. 3. The whole world is not the US. There are plenty of areas in the world where they prefer physical media.
0 - There has been no technical advancement in physical media in a decade. Not even a rumor of an advancement. Oppo, perhaps the premiere manufacturer of higher end players, has exited the market at what _they_ said is the peak of their player's performance capability. 1 - The streamers, and the consumer in general, don't seem worried about actual quality. They will serve whatever resolution the consumer thinks they want at whatever diminished bitrate they choose that day (this is the primary reason I personally prefer UHD Bluray). MOST people, seemly can't tell the difference anyhow. This is compounded by more and more of the audience watching on tiny device screens, and frankly, boosted by the advancements in compression technology. 2/3 - This doesn't appear to be true. Disney is exiting entire markets, the most recent of which being Australia. I remember seeing something about Mexico being a media desert as well where there are simply no retailers remaining to buy from and no one importing the media. You can look up the sales data from whatever country you may have in mind, but I'm not aware of any market that is growing. Anyhow... Sometimes people mistake predictions for wishes. I don't _wish_ for any of this to happen. I just believe that it will. If I'm wrong, then that's good news for all of us. If I'm right, then we should get our ducks in a row now to enjoy our collections for years to come.
@@TheBrokenTech I think you are just a pessimist. Dude I buy boutique label blurays of Asian films and they all sell out within a month, the special editions that is. Then they will continually stock the standard editions. I know this because I have talked t them and they have to get new stock all the time.
@@ramdom_assortment I openly admit my pessimism. I don't even think there's a debate. 😂 The penalty for my pessimism being wrong is nothing. There is no punishment for things going better than expected. The penalty for misplaced optimism could catch you without playback capability. I believe the media will continue on long after the players all dry up. That's my entire argument. Put systems into place now that ensure you can play your collection later. If you don't want to do that, that's cool. That's why I covered direct playback too.
@@TheBrokenTech I have done that and I do everything on the computer, which I think is better for a few reasons. I don't plan on ever living in, or even visiting a country that is not Fair Use and/or has strong freedom of speech. This is why I don't plan on ever living in Japan for example. People can complain about the US, but Japan is really a country where consumers have no say. I think it is because they tried to go in the exact reverse post WWII and thus promoted the populous to be docile, similar to Germany in that sense but more so. That of course is an argument all on it's own.
@@ramdom_assortment Having a good system in place, that you're comfortable with, is really all I'm going for when I make those sorts of statements of opinion. If you're all set, then you're ahead of me. I'm still learning and tweaking as I go.
@@TheBrokenTech I'm just curious, what's wrong or security risk with java, I thought it's normal on windows, it even updates it sometimes? I thought Java is safe?
@@jglg7238 Java hasn't really been a normal thing for at least the last 10 years. The only thing I can think of that I use which requires it, is bluray menu support (which I can't get to work reliably). I believe HTML5 has outmoded it in most cases. Java created various security holes and exploits for years. You'd have to go back through all of the change logs to see all of the bug fixes. But, the biggest among my concerns is that it seems most of the playback software wants an _ancient_ version of the JRE to work, and those ancient versions haven't had any support in years. Anyhow... None of that is to say that it can't be done or can't be done safely. What I am saying is that it's not presently worth the hassle and risk for me to do it or recommend it to others. If it _worked,_ I would have at least shown the steps to implement it.
@@TheBrokenTech I see, yeah it's true VLC i had to download a old version of java to get the menu working for some reason it wouldn't work with the new java
@@jglg7238 The "old" version I believe is over a decade old by now and hasn't had support or security updates in years. It's like running Windows XP and Internet Explorer in the modern era. I wouldn't suggest it.
I had a very early LG model bluray player that had no wifi and i never hooked up internet to it. To this day it still can play latest bluray discs. Even if the loading time is ages.
I have gotten to the point where I do not care about playing the disc back, I can rip it with makemkv and watch it raw if I want or shrink with x265 with handbrake. I do have a 4k player on my tv too.
Just wanted to leave this here. I haven't finished your video atm but your presentation mixed with the dash of humor really drew me into it. That, along with your voice, I could listen to you go on for hours lol.
@@TheBrokenTech I'm in good company then. Just finished the full video which is impressive considering I tend to act like a squirrel. I also come from the long lost time of CDs and know a friend that has quite the collection ripped in MP3/MP4 format. My question would be to ask for him is: Do you see MP3 files going the way of the dodo anytime soon or is my friend's collection safe from having to migrate again to another format. Thanks again.
I think most digital formats will be safe once they're back off of their optical discs. MP3s will be supported for a long time to come... but... There's really no reason not to re-rip as FLAC and get your album art polished up... maybe even add lyrics if you want. My CD audio collection is well over 1000 discs and I do plan to eventually do exactly that myself. In the mean time, the MP3s are still playing just fine in everything I own from my 20 year old car stereo to my tablet bought a few months ago. 👍
Blu-ray menus only work with Java8, and no update after 321. You'll need to either make a script with VLC that sets the environment variable to the folder you're keeping the Java 8 runtime environment in. Then blu-ray menus will work. assuming it's not a BD+ encrypted disc.
For me the main reason I always preferred playing DVD's, HD DVDs and BLU RAYS on PC is because. A. PC surround sound cards = £20. Surround analogue speaker kit = £60.... No HDCP/Dolby licensed decoders required.. Consoles and standalone players don't do analogue surround EVER, only a badly mixed L+R channel stereo if you're lucky. And Surround kits for them always force you to buy full on AMP + SPEAKER + decoder which has to support HDMI+HDCP+DOLBY+DTS which is ridiculously overpriced and could cost £400 for a base model. B. On PC (At least with media PLAYER CLASSIC ON K-LITE CODECS PACK) Allow me to manually assign surround channels to L=R stereo headphones and speakers for a PROPER TV quality downmix with Centre dialogue sent to stereo and surround no longer being missing. LITERALLY ALL Hardware DVD/BD players have the problem.. "OOH MIUSIC AND ACTION-LOUD. let's turn the volume down so I don't scare my neighbors." Then Whoops. Dialogue scene.. "DO I NEED A NEW BATTERY IN MY HEARING AID?" Let's turn the TV up. THEN BANG! "AAAH THEY BLEW MY FRIKKIN SPEAKERS WITH THAT EXPLOSION AT MAX VOLUME" PC. Forced Stereo downmixing is the only way to get Surround to sound correct in stereo. PC. is the only way to get True surround on the cheap. Without having to re-buy a whole new decoder and speaker kit every time corporate overlords decide to UPDATE DOLBY/HDCP/HDMI/DTS. This is the main reason I ALWAYS choose PC playback over hardware players.. VHS was literally the last video format that didn't sound like hot garbage with 2 speakers.
A. I'm not sure how all of the nuts and bolts of the decoding go on the surround side with handshaking, but Windows itself is happy to shake hands with all of it, pass it along, and then you can do whatever you want (convert it to optical, for instance, which nukes any sort of copy protection). My first DVD, and then first Blu-ray, players actually did have analog surround outputs as that would allow older hardware, as long as it had 5 input channels, to support the newer surround formats. That feature has been cost reduced out of both sides of that equation for a long time. With all of that said... I've had a "proper" surround decoder for about 25 years and I enjoy the relative simplicity of just plugging a cord into it as well as selecting what could be considered as more than the "minimum" as far as speakers and amps. It's also nice that the signal stays digital until it hits the output of the amps. It's extremely rare to pickup noise on a modern-ish setup. B. 1 - I've never really tried to configure headphones so I'll take your word for it, but if you like customizing your audio channels you'd absolutely love Equalizer APO (and I highly recommend its companion, "PEACE"). You can adjust, EQ, crossover, etc pretty literally anything with that setup. That will be the topic of a future video. I was kinda hoping to move up to an Atmos setup before then, but, we shall see. B. 2 - Since I've always used a "proper" surround decoder, I just let it work out stereo down-mixes if I'm in that mood. They've always seemed to do a good job of it. Many older titles will still include the original stereo, or even mono, theater mixes as options too. No down-mixing required. B. 3 - I long ago moved to buying separate amps and decoders exactly so I don't have to re-buy a new decoder AND amps whenever an upgrade comes along (spoiler alert: this did not save me any money). That said, even pro-logic is going to do the best it can if you feed it a modern signal. Same with Dolby Digital and DTS if you send it Atmos or TrueHD. You still get what you paid for out of that older equipment. My present decoder is from 2005 and does an admirable job with modern source material. It's actually the second of its kind and I think the one I'm using right now is an eBay find that was maybe 80 bucks? 😂 B. 4 - You may get in a literal fist fight with Laserdisc fans if they hear you say those sound like hot garbage... There are guys out there right now that swear their old LD concert discs still sound superior to their modern counterparts. That was a hotly contested subject when DVD came along. I'm sure you can still find the ancients strolling around various message forums and continuing the debate to this day! 🤣
@@TheBrokenTech Sadly I have never had the pleasure of using LD and the only one I ever seen in the wild was at a pawn shop in Wales and I was like... (I HAVE NEVER SEEN A CD THIS HUGE) Kinda wanted to buy it, but didn't have the budget at the time. I'm sure Stereo laserdisks probably sound as good as stereo TV movies and NICAM Stereo VHS, but later versions of LD's came with 5.1 Digital surround. And I am not sure if it was ever optional, or downmixing dialogue (Centre channel to left and right) was possible just like it was not on almost every DVD player I ever used. So. Movies recorded from TV to DVD-RAM/VHS sounded fine without surround speakers. Because TV broadcasters know their target demographic... (A home TV, who woulda knew) but Studio Movie DVD's I always end up fighting with the volume control to keep the balance between ("Can't hear what they're saying" and "OWW EXPLOSION TOO LOUD and it's 2:00AM") After I purchased a Surround sound card and the appropriate speakers the first thing that shocked me more than the surround itself is how clearly i can hear everything. In my opinion never adding Downmix as an option for DVD/BD players/Streaming boxes. At least for the vast majority of people who use their TV speakers to watch movies has been a colossal design failure for all budget home theatres across the world. And for headphone users. "Where's that centre dialogue speaker gonna go, my forehead? That doesn't help at all. i don't have an ear there" Haha Anyway Rant over.
@@TheBrokenTech Umm, so are you saying that an old (Optical/Coaxial) Surround decoder from generation-DVD is actually compatible with decoding Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio if connected with appropriate TOSLINK/COAX? I would have thought there would be a complete audio loss due to a brand new audio format transmitted via cable. (Provided they let you use non HDMI decoders to send it from the BD player in the first place.)
I bought my LD player and some discs just as a fun thing 10-ish years ago. I never had one in the era when they were popular. The disc jackets make excellent wall art, and at least at the time I was buying them, they were cheaper than movie posters... plus they're actual movies. I didn't spend much on it and it's a fun thing to break out once in awhile. I'm not an authority on it, but... I think... LDs with 5.1 tracks also had to carry analog tracks since _most_ players were not capable of decoding 5.1. So, you had to have a machine that had the appropriate digital out, THEN an external decoder (I happen to have one, though my LD machine lacks the output to use it), AND a receiver that could accept it to get 5.1. It was a whole thing, I guess. Anyhow... The arguments about LD sound quality were that LD used a less compressed version of DTS/DD vs. their DVD counterpart. I'm reasonably sure this all went out the window with Blu-rays and their sound formats, but for a time the LD community had a leg to stand on... I'm positive the arguments are still raging somewhere on the internet. So, anyhow, stereo tracks on LD were not remixed versions of the 5.1 tracks. You got a separate analog mix just for you (including separate outputs on the machine itself). Also... Sometimes there would be multiple analog audio tracks, most often used for director commentary. Since LDs don't have a menu system like DVDs, that all had to be handled at the hardware level, so you would actually switch your player between outputs to hear the different tracks. I agree with your complaints about sound mixing. My general approach to that has been just to turn my center channel up since that's where _most_ dialog is going to happen, and that has the applied effect of turning everything else down. Some TVs and players will also have peak leveling (and the software I mentioned will do it too... VLC may have its own thing as well) but I just never have cared for how it made things sound. It seems most of it just hard clips at a certain threshold and it sounds terrible. Most of the time, I just keep a finger on the volume. 😂 I think technology has progressed far enough to maybe make the down-mixing argument obsolete. Anymore anyone who is serious enough about movies to actually watch a 4K is probably going to have at least a soundbar and I quite suspect that the primary installed base of Atmos users are actually running headphones. I have no idea how surround sound in headphones works, but I guess it does. Every once in awhile we get a win. --- I'm saying the modern formats are backward compatible with older formats. If you plug a modern soundtrack into a Dolby Digital decoder, you get Dolby Digital, not silence (and also not the modern format). So, when I watch a 4K with those new soundtracks, I just get Dolby Digital out of them since I have an old decoder. I don't get the benefit(?) of the higher bitrate or extra channels that I don't have/it can't decode. I think Toslink can support up to 7.1 audio and _most_ TVs I've seen that are mid-tier or up still have optical audio outputs. So, you plug your HDMI into your TV from your source, your TV does whatever handshaking, and then you can extract optical audio out with no compliance issues. That's how my decoder is connected right now as it's too old to support HDMI. You can also get HDMI audio extractor boxes that do the same thing and they usually also produce a mixed L/R channel of their own if you want to use it. So, they have an HDMI in with optical out and L/R analog RCA plugs.
There's an alternative for 4k UHD disk ripping and playback, namely DVDFab and PlayerFab. DVDfab has a built-in utility for flashing those UHD friendly drives and has all those ablilties that are found in AnyDVD and MakeMKV. PlayerFAB bypasses all those protection crap like SGX or HDCP 2.2 when running. It also supports menus and playback of BDMV folders and iso backups. Powerdvd is simply like shxx compared to this. When it comes to picture quality, I can hardly see any difference between the picture of my UHD TV(LG OLED 75") connected to an OPPO 203, as long as you have a decent CPU, GPU and at least medium priced 32" 4k monitor that supports HDR. Seen from this aspect VLC player is not an option. My three rigs, i7 4790k and TitanX, i7 8700k and 1080Ti, i7 13900k and 4080 super respectively, don't have any problems with UHD playback whatsoever. Both win 10 and 11 are all ok. I personally use an external Buffalo drive and an internal ASUS drive.
I _was_ a DVDFab lifetime license customer... until they nullified my lifetime license for changing email accounts... then they broke all of their features out into different products, which each seemed to require their own lifetime licenses beyond what I already paid for all those years ago. I also don't think they really offer a "free" version and I already know that 99.99% of my audience is going to pick MakeMKV _only_ for that reason... and I'm not a proponent of direct playback anyhow. So... 🤷♂️ I still did try their latest offering and it refused to flash any of my drives, then it complained about them once I flashed them with MakeMKV. I also couldn't figure out how to get it to work with multiple instances (the reason for that will be the subject of a future video). In short... they let me down so I couldn't recommend their products to people. If all of those problems were my own making, they're welcome to reach out to me and see about getting me straightened up. As for quality, I can't tell any difference at all between my set-top player and the PC. Except that the PC gives me a lot more control over things, like I can run a multi-channel audio EQ, AI upscaling, etc, which is all pretty cool. The data itself is indistinguishable to the input, so, it really shouldn't matter as long as you have a card which supports HDR@4K, which I think is almost everything these days. As far as your setup, that all sounds fine except for the Buffalo. My only beef with the "buffalo" drive is that tomorrow they could put any other drive inside that enclosure and no one would know the difference. I recommend people buy their own enclosure, and a BU40N separately, and assemble the two so they know what they have. It's only a couple bucks more (and will also be the subject of a future video) and removes that as a possibility. As they are presently being sold, I think they're fine. In the end, it really doesn't matter how any one prefers to skin the cat so long as we all get our cat skin hats at the end of the party. 😁
I just tried downloading the PlayerFAB app for free. It showed my disc, I clicked on it & it gave me an error message saying it couldn't play it. It didn't work :(
so I am thinking of purchasing the GOT 4K and would like to watch it using my laptop ( have an external 4k monitor ) can you a quick explanation on how im supposed to go about it to watch since anydvd is no longer available
Greetings from latin america, we're still hooked to optical drives. Just because internet is kinda slow and you can't really stream in 4k. This is gold. My blu ray drive is about to undergo the transition surgery so it can identify as uhd as well.
Hi, I normaly back ups regular Blurays and I never had issue there at all. Now I bought my first 4k Bluray just to instantly back it up to try it out and it can detect the Movie thats on it. But it now displays an READ ERROR Message and I dont have a 4k Bluray Player to check if this disc works at all. Is it possible that my very first 4k Bluray Copy came broken? Or is it because I imported that copy from America to Europe because it exitst only there a 4k version (some kind of region locking)? What a bummer :(
Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray are not the same format despite having really similar names. It was the worst marketing decision ever for them to be named in the way that they are. Anyhow, you need a drive that is able to read 4K discs. _Some_ regular blu-ray drives can be made to read 4K discs with only a software update. To see how to do that, if you have a drive which can be flashed, check out the video pinned in the description.
@@TheBrokenTech If my Blu Ray writer officially supports BDXL Quad Layer disks will it read 100GB 4K disks without flashing? It doesnt have the 4K logo on it, just BDXL
With AnyDVD recently being shutdown (again) I think going the MakeMKV + VLC route is likely the best option left. Basically in the MakeMKV settings enabled the LibreDrive API for the system and VLC and then open the Drive like you showed in the video and with it just sitting their open in the background go to VLC and open the disk drive as a Blue-Ray in VLC. This at least worked flawlessly for me on my normal Blue-Ray disk I tried it on. I can't test it yet with a UHD/4K disk because I am still waiting for it to arrive via mail but I am pretty sure that I can get it to work in a similar way.
@@TheBrokenTech what I did was enable if tor everything in the MakeMKV settings and then press the open button in MakeMKV and once that is done go to VLC and open the Blue-Ray with VLC.
It sounds like what you did is sort of a bit of side stepping magic. There is a setting in MakeMKV to integrate it with VLC, presumably without going through that bit of hoop jumping. Since my goal is archival, I didn't spend a lot of time tinkering with it when I didn't get immediate results.
@@TheBrokenTech When my ordered 4K drives arrive then I might look into it and either write up a guide of what I did to get it work or even make a video. But since you already have an audience for this stuff we can collab on it in the sense that I'll make a short guide (If my experience is repeatable with 4K UHD BR discs) and you can maybe put out an update video on it. Especially with AnyDVD being gone now.
@24:09 reminds me of when a brand new xbox 360 game disc had a factory defect spot on it, it reflected light differently than the rest of the disc, you could play the game and all but what I use to do back then was install the game to the hdd so it loads faster and I don't have to rely on/listen to a spinning disc and stepper motor all the time. This disc would always freeze at 90% no matter how many times I tried, got a new replacement disc and bam, worked first try. You'd think this is a bad experience right? no, PS3 uses bluray, release version of call of duty black ops 2 was playing great, I was having fun until one day I started seeing the disc loading slower, odd, I continued on playing. It kept getting slower every day until it wouldn't read anything. the disc burnt out the laser because of whatever the hell coating they decided to use with those particular discs and the repair technician said to not use scratched discs. mind you the disc was from an unopened box, crystal clear no visible damage. I really do agree that they will do quite literally anything to save costs even if it causes damage to readers. also, if you ever see a white not so perfect circle ring around the center hole of your blu ray discs, your laser is burning. I noticed it on other game discs that didn't have that suddenly have it after.
As luck would have it, I was _just_ looking at PS3 replacement lasers as about an hour ago I bought a broken PS3 that may need one. 😂 I haven't personally had any failures of my consoles, but my Dad's slim refused to play Blu-rays awhile ago. I hear that's a pretty common failure with them, so... I'm thinking of stocking my spare parts up while I can still get them.
@@TheBrokenTech Yeah you're right, however for the particular disc I mentioned, I remember there being a ton of people with the exact same problem because of the exact same game. Mine was one of the 60gb ones (no BC). Also the experience corrupted the OS at least 10 times so worth going into the safe mode and refreshing everything at least once to be sure. For spare parts I have no experience, they don't build tech like they use to, still can't believe I used my PS3 that long, almost daily back then and it still works perfectly after the laser replacement.
For sure there are bad runs of discs out there. Normally you hear that they don't work at all, but weirder things have happened. I imagine if the disc is manufactured _just_ wrong that the laser could constantly gain and lose focus, and eventually that mechanism goes out of calibration from the excess wear. The primary reason I just bought that wonky console is because it _is_ backward compatible, as is my original one. I've also used mine for thousands and thousands of hours and also never really had a problem with it. I bought it in early 2008, tore it down and repasted it in 2011 when the first YLOD reports were gaining popularity, and put it on a laptop cooler since then... So, as far as I know it's never even been "hot", and being a CECHE01, it's already on the "cooler" side of the BC models. I've been wanting a second one as a spare, or parts, for years and today was the day. I don't have any experience with the spare parts market for them either, but I'm about to. 😂 I do know that bad spare parts are still better than _no_ spare parts so that iron is hot for striking. Looks like new laser assemblies are only like 30 bucks and R/YLOD PS3s are out there by the dozen to harvest parts from pretty affordably. edit: Glad we had this chat... I went to look at what I was buying again and realized the ad was wrong and it wasn't what I was looking for. Unwound the sale before any harm was done. 😅 The search continues!
@@TheBrokenTech Likewise, forgot to say great video btw, I don't even own blu-rays other than old games but it's very useful info for future reference.
Some of the commenters really impress me... If you aren't pessimistic about what's happening to your rights as a consumer, you've lost the plot. And by golly, I'm with you on Java. I work a lot with servers and high-performance systems, those Java "programmers" write some of the most insecure code imaginable and get mad when you call out Java for being inherently insecure! I've banished it from my computer systems, of which I own plenty, ranging from just several thousand to several tens of thousands! Just like those plastic blu-ray disc cases, Java is a quality that keeps degrading day after day. Thanks for this wonderful video!
Edit: Others already mentioned this! But what wasn't mentioned was that you don't need to run it actively in the background and only use the old Java for MakeMKV while playing the disk. Old Comment: Regarding your comment on Java there is a caveat that the VERSION of Java used in the old players has vulnerabilities. But IF you install newer versions of Java on your PC it should just work without vulnerabilities due to backwards compatibility. (Make MKV lets you even specify which Java Version you want to use if you have local copy downloaded that you don't actively use as the main JAVA tool on your system but only for specific tools. Reading a blue ray menu as an example is a use case where if you trust the company that made the disk to not install a virus on your system via one of the vulnerabilities it can safely be used for that.)
Not sure why you'd think tape was the best way to get rid of dust, surley a fine lint free microfibre cloth is the way to go? with a small amount of isoprobyl alcohol for any bad marks?
I tried exactly that first, in addition to blowing it off with compressed air. 😂 The _painter's tape_ (specifically designed to be gentle) was a last resort and I was attempting to correct a read error. I didn't do it just to experiment.
@@TheBrokenTech As a last resort for me, I used an alcohol wipe to get a stuck on film off one of my 4k discs. I bought a Jurassic Park 5 disc set and disc 3 wouldn't rip. I was able to rip the other 4 discs, so I knew it wasn't a computer hardware issue. I tried a dry microfiber cloth a couple of times and the disc still had errors. Before I finished a claim on ebay to return it, I tried the alcohol wipe and it worked. At the time, I didn't have a stand alone 4k bluray player, so I needed to be able to rip it, so I could watch it. I bought the same player you have, Sony BP700 because it was $158 on black Friday and I don't expect it to get any lower. I also use PowerDVD19 to play my mkv files, not VLC. I have my PC connected to a receiver with HDMI and I can use settings to play higher end audio codecs, that at least 3 years ago didn't work with VLC and Plex. I'm also both too cheap and paranoid to buy the Any Time DVD. I use MakeMKV to do the ripping. I then shrink it with Handbrake to a lower bit rate to save size, then re-rip with MakeMKV to enable chapters and subtitles to work correctly. For now, I'm keeping an uncompressed version on the computer I rip them but I copy them to the HTPC and shrink them there.
11:02 Hold on, I actually need help on this very point. My new Blu Ray player has only an HDMI out. I had no idea this was a DRM feature. I am no longer getting 5.1 sound out my Blu Rays because I am having merely to plug it straight into my TV. Is there any box or adapter that would allow me to plug my new player (HDMI out) into my old sound system, which has only RCA-ins, without loss of image or 5.1 sound?
Yep, there is. I use a box that appears very similar to this one: amzn.to/4cqYkbk ...to perform that task. I'd link you to the _exact_ one I have, but it appears to no longer be sold. That box will take HDMI video (and audio for that matter) and pass it through while pushing out audio into digital coaxial (what you're describing), digital optical, and L/R stereo.
Great vid. I just don't agree about a bunch of stuff: there will be ALWAYS a niche market for both, software and hardware. HW side, there are plenty mid/hi-end players on the the net, like the oppo clones, reavon, the beast "Pandee", etc. And they bypass any key natively. SW side, once they majors will be gone, there will be A PLENTY of boutique labels releasing great products! Actually, they already exist. Will be it cheap? Absolutely no! But it'll never die. At least for the next 2~3 decades. 😊
Thanks! Disagreements in opinion are always welcome. On the hardware side... Have you tried to buy a new laserdisc player lately? Or a compact cassette or 8-track deck? Maybe even an _official_ UHD Bluray drive? Software? Sure. There is no real barrier to entry for software development other than the talent to author it. Since there really was only ever one "major" (Cyberlink), I think this ball is already in motion. Frankly, I'm banking the future playback of my collection on those talented authors. What we have today is pretty good, but I'm expecting it to continue to improve for some time to come. The AI hardware upscaling and integration into the playback software is shockingly good already and very promising. That said, I still predict a complete collapse of physical media within ~15 years and a virtually complete collapse within the next 5. I also predict a long period of time where it will be pretty cheap to collect as people of my age die off, or downsize, and their collections go to second hand shops. Once Gen Xers are gone, there won't be many people holding a candle for discs so demand will be low while supply is extremely high. Since I'll be in the great beyond by the time that happens, I won't get to see the accuracy of my prediction. 😂
@@TheBrokenTech hw side: yes. I just purchased a pioneer Cld-R5 regenerated in Japan (I have about 170 laserdiscs). But those were different times. It was all analog. With the digital handy tech, it's easy to reproduce clones especially for the Chinese, with their grey laws. And as well, I'm optimistic for the boutique labels. Do you know the channel "films at home"? Compared to him I'm a noob but even him isn't that much worried. Surely won't be cheap, that's the only downside. About second hand, I agree, it will be dirty cheap. Now I'll try to buy and hack an LG (thanks to your older vid) and I'll make all the backups (about 700 disc's 😅) but I'll play them by connecting 2,5mm external hard drives to my oppo 203, via USB. So it will survive at least another decade even with the laser dead. 😂 About pc playback I'm not a big fan by past experience. It's like with videogames: I'll end to spend more time on settings (upscaling, rendering, deinterlacing, madVR, etc) and at the end I won't enjoy it. For the same reason I play on consoles rather than on pc! Hahaha EDIT: sorry for the typos but I write really fast and I overlook my mistakes. 😅
@@alexroot1980 So you were not able to purchase a new LD machine and had to seek out a repaired unit from Japan. How long will it stay repaired? How long will the parts continue to be available? When will all of the technicians die? Your laserdisc experience is exactly why I'm making the case I'm making. The hardware is going extinct. Back up your titles (and/or buy extra hardware) now if you want to continue to view them in the future. This will happen with Bluray too. It's unavoidable. Sure, the Chinese can knock-off exceedingly low quality versions of hardware. We see this on compact cassette decks where there is _one_ Chinese mechanism of extremely poor quality and it gets farmed into everything. That's not really what I want to rely on. Once the only laser reader on the market is of that quality, which it will be once major manufacturers like Sony, Pioneer, etc aren't maintaining standards in lens manufacturing, we're going to have problems. Then we're relying on used equipment that never really was supported in the aftermarket. I've never heard of someone having a DVD player repaired. Yep, I'm a regular viewer of Films at Home and I'm aware of the boutique studios doing small batch releases (I regularly rent KL releases). His channel is actually what motivated this series because he's been raising the same flags (Oppo exiting the market, Disney exiting Australia, etc). Maybe "worried" isn't the right term, but he's aware of where this is headed. Where he and I differ is that he doesn't seem interested in backing up his collection... yet. Or maybe he just has the wisdom to be doing it very quietly? I hadn't seriously considered using my set-top player in combination with a HDD, in part because a single drive of the size I would need doesn't exist so a media server was always my plan. I'd also like to stream to every location in the house and not just be bound to one player. But, I have experimented with it and MKVs work fine on my Sony. I imagine that would go well for your Oppo as well as long as it would still boot and operate with whatever potential laser defect. The primary attraction for me to PC playback is the extreme flexibility of configuration. It's really not as bad as it may have once been and software selection plays a big role in that. Right now just the nVidia AI upscaling on my RTX card is paying big dividends and that's a technology they are improving all the time. VLC deinterlacing is pretty much perfect and it does it with a check box. I have multichannel digital EQ processing that I could only dream of a few years ago and it's a freeware app. The stuff is incredible. That says nothing of being able to make my own custom edits if I want. I have a few titles that I have radically reduced in brightness for viewing while falling asleep. I can set audio peaks, bandpass, etc too. I'm with you on PC gaming. It was a pain in the '90s and it's a pain today too. 😂 My experience with movies on the PC has been vastly better.
Would using the PC monitor as a mere screen for a 4K player work even for laptops? (5:43) Are you saying that if I have a UHD Blu Ray Player (not a drive) and plug it straight into my laptop using an HDMI cable, I could simply use the entire laptop as a monitor? Would that actually work, and if so would the player simply automatically take over my whole laptop screen as it loaded up?
Wow, That oil was also on the wrapper of the new FNAF movie I unboxed yesterday. Thought it was fog, but no. Interesting. It's sad that quality isn't the same nowadays.
Umm if i already have power dvd, do i still need java for menus? I don't have separate control panel java, but blu ray menus (1080) work just fine in power dvd. Will Any DVD decrypt 4K blu rays enough to play in Power DVD, or is it just for VLC?
I imagine PowerDVD installed Java on your behalf automatically, whether or not you were told. So... If it works, you're good to go. Unfortunately, AnyDVD has been discontinued. 😔
I think a lot of movies might not even make it to a UHD, some of my favorites never even got a bluray. There was a cinemassacre video years ago about how the menus and featurettes on DVDs were vastly superior to the the bland blu ray menus, I can't speak for the 4k menus if they are any better but the DRM and the online updated previews are something I would disconnect my internet to avoid.
Really, I think less than half of all of the movies ever filmed where even released to home video at all. DVD has a stout catalog, bluray is pretty good, but you're right in that 4K is trailing badly. Ehhhh... Some of the bonuses and such on the 4K discs are what I would expect. I'm not that familiar with the previews updating, but I don't allow my players to internet connect so it could just be a feature I never noticed.
@@TheBrokenTech I was told a few weeks ago that certain blu rays would crash a ps3 because they were trying to use that old Javascript to load online previews and they had to disconnect the internet to skip it. In terms of the physical media argument, I think the average consumers would prefer to own the movies they like but it's so costly to keep jumping from DVD to bluray to 4k and the DRM got so out of hand it seems like a controlled demise. I think it's gonna be just like video games where only a minority own the physical copies and dump them online without concern for legality, for preservation of the art
@@dustymofo917 I don't have any experience with that issue on the PS3, but I quit playing Blurays on mine probably a decade ago. It sounds like something that is entirely plausible. I see video games and movies as slightly difference things. These days, a video game actually takes longer to install from disc than it does to download and the disc is only used as DRM while the digital version doesn't (so you don't have to change discs to change games). In those regards, the digital version is actually a better product. With movies, we're not there yet. 4K UHD Bluray is currently the best quality available. It's not the cheapest or fastest, but that's not what most of us would be after.
@@TheBrokenTech PS4 and 5 games don't need internet or DRM to install the 1.0 ver of games, unless it's a online only/multiplayer game, but you won't get any patches unless you manually jailbreak your system and install them offline. I agree tho, I was more referring to retro game/movies because let's be honest, that's the majority of what's worth owning. And it is a case by case basis, from what I've seen with 4k sometimes has a worse color grading than the bluray version. Hell apparently the Laserdisc and VHS versions of Bad Lieutenant are the only true uncut ones because of a song licensing lawsuit with Led Zeppelin
@@dustymofo917 When I mentioned DRM, I was referring strictly to the mechanical presence of the disc. In my PS4, that's all the disc drive does. Everything is installed to the internal drive. I remember RDR2 took like 6 hours to install off of disc. 😔 4K does seem to go on a title-by-title basis, but for the most part I think it's a good format. I think for most people the difference between 4K and 1080 Blu-ray won't really be noticeable until screen sizes grow to 75"+, unless the mastering/processing is really improved between releases. At around 130", just the resolution increase is very noticeable. Other people really think that HDR is the cat's meow, but... I can't really tell. I'll have to assume their vision is just better than mine. If I let the brightness on the TV go to the point that maybe I would notice, it would burn my retinas out. Yep, there are still things out there on Laserdisc that have never seen the light of day beyond that format. Sometimes its licensing issues, sometimes its censoring, sometimes its simply lack of demand. That said... LDs look terrible on a screen of modern size. You _can_ watch them, but... I'll normally opt for a more modern version even if it isn't the truest one.
I play all my discs on PC in 1440p via DisplayPort. I see no need to do anything in 4K and higher. I use AnyMP4 to play all regions of BluRay without locking my BluRay drive to any single region if I play that region several times in a row, like PowerDVD does. I'm also ripping my BluRays, that I bought and paid for, to digital so I can bring my movies with me on my laptop without having to lug and external drive and tons of discs.
It sounds like your playback software is enhancing your copy protection situation, so, I'm going to say native DP compatibility may still be inconclusive. I doubt it will matter for many people as it seems nearly everything is HDMI these days. IMO, 4K doesn't really start to pay big dividends until you get to screen sizes that are more easily measured in feet than inches. A lot of people go crazy for HDR/DoblyVision, but I just don't see that as a big deal either (which could be down to my particular screen). In many circumstances, what we're getting on a 4K disc is just a cleaner transfer than what went before it and perhaps some more advanced audio tracks. In that sense, it's worth it to spend another 5 or 10 bucks over a standard Blu-ray, but I don't know if I would intentionally upgrade many Blu-rays to 4K Blu-rays. From DVD? No question I go straight to 4K if I can.
This was a fantastic and informative video! But the problem is you STILL need to find a compatible Blu Ray drive like that LG, go through the hassle of even finding one, then do a risky flashing procedure, for AnyDVD to work for Blu Ray and 4K Blu Ray movies
Thanks! I linked the LG in the video description (though they do go in and out of stock), I've flashed about a dozen of these at this point and I've never had any trouble (and flashing is only required to unlock 4K discs), and unfortunately AnyDVD is now defunct... 😔
Blurays and 4k blurays are physical disk but in an uncompressed format. Anything streamed or netflix or whatever is compressed. So in other terms is less quality in video format. That’s why a blu ray holds up to 50 gb of data while a movie in netflix can be up to 5gb
What is on the disc is also compressed (even what you see in the theater is), just not as heavily, not by the same technologies, and it always stays the same where streamers can change at will. That's why a 4K disc technically has 4 times as much information (4x the pixels) as a standard Blu-ray, but isn't 4x the data size (usually 4Ks are around 1-1.5x larger than their Blu-ray counterparts). Better compression technology is being used on UHD discs. If you really, really, want to nerd on out this topic you can start researching various international versions of your favorite movies and you'll discover that certain releases may be more desirable for how they were processed, including how compression was applied to them. When you see reviewers talking about "artifacts", they're talking about compression.
In 5.25", the LG WHNS14/NS16 drives are a good bargain. In 9.5mm the LG BU40N is a good choice. I'll have a video on the BU40N in the near future. It looks like you already found the video for the 5.25" drives.
A possible method of using an old java version could be to install it in a vm. Install os of choice, install java version you need, remove its network access, and snapshot it.
You could do something like that, but in my experience, the old version didn't work anyhow. I have several people that have reported trying different methods/versions/whatever and getting menu support to work reliably. I need to look more deeply into those suggestions and see if I can replicate their results.
I'm using the 17-13700 with Windows 11 and the Pioneer BDR-XD07UHD. I tried putting Terminator 2 4K Blu-ray disc in last night and the drive just kept making clicking noises and acted like the disc wasn't in it. I then put the HD Blu-ray of T2 in and it played fine. I'm not sure how someone in my situation could rip a disc when the drive acts like nothing is in it. 😩 I have to use Amazon Prime Video if I want to watch 4K movies.
This video is only part of a series on this topic. The previous part was about how to get your drive ready for use. I'm not sure if your Pioneer can be patched (probably not) but the LGs I show in most of my videos can. Then you can do whatever you want. You will find the links to those videos in the description.
As for Handbrake? fwiw, Primary machine: Win10Pro64: Lenovo P520 Type 30BF - Intel Xeon W-2125 CPU @ 4.00GHz, 64GB DDR4, 2@ Samsung NVMe: SSD970Pro 2T, SSD990Pro 2T Second machine: Zorin 17.2Pro - Lenovo M82 Type2756 Zorin 17.2 pro Intel Core i5 3470 @ 3.20GHz, 32GB DDR3... both with NVIDIA Quadro K1200 (SFF for M82)... or should I just keep driving my '94 Sedan de Ville?
I don't remux my rips. I keep them as native ISO as they came off of the disc and I just have an army of HDDs. Because of that, my other system requirements are really low.
Running on the latest Windows 11 release and PowerDVD using a 10700k and 4k UHD discs play just fine. Not sure the “Microsoft and Cyberlink dropped it” warning is accurate. I built the 10th Gen rig last year specifically for 4K UHD disc playback so I don’t have to monopolize the big screen in the living room. 4K monitor as well.
You're running on an unsupported configuration that happens to still work for now... I'll explain. Intel's official position on SGX support in Windows 11 is that any Windows *10* SGX driver "should work" in Windows 11, but they're not developing SGX any further (including _for_ Windows 11). Cyberlink's official statement is that PowerDVD "should work" with UHD Blu-ray as long as your Intel drivers (and the rest of your hardware) are fine, but you need to check that for yourself (and you need to check before every update to make sure none of them break SGX) and they're not going to help you do it. Dell's (or any other hardware vendor) position on it is that SGX compatibility is dictated by Intel, but Intel's position is that OEMs are the ones who supply the drivers, so it's on them... MS also points the finger right back to the drivers... and so it all goes. So... All of the entities in this series of events did drop support. Right now you're in a situation where the crew of your vessel have all passed away, but the sails are up and in the wind, so your UHD Blu-ray ghost ship continues onward until something stops it. The thing that stops it could be a security update to your BIOS, Intel driver, Windows update, etc. Maybe it never stops? Who knows? In the context of this video, and especially through the message I tried to convey about future proofing yourself, I stand by my statement.
Thank you for the video. I am late to the game and UNFORTUNTELY as of January 2024 (I am commenting in May 2024) AnyDVD is NO LONGER available as a "lifetime license". Yep even they figured out you will own NOTHING and LIKE IT! You can purchase a 1 or 2 year "license" but it is 60 euros for 1 year and 75 euros for 2 years. Looks like I am going to have to learn to just use MKV to rip stuff and "make do". Slysoft was the "good guys" for what... almost 20 years? I guess times change. Still and all thank you for the informative vids. I will follow up with your series to learn more. I MOSTLY want to take my very, very expensive criterion collection DVD and Bluray collection and make backups so they do not die in 2 to 5 to 10 years. Ain't life grand? Peaceful Skies.
Thanks for watching! 👍 I'm just learning about that today. 😔 The only reason I prefer AnyDVD is that it simplifies my workflow. 3 clicks and I'm done and I have a file in my desired container. If you're not interested in _simple_ direct playback from disc (which, really, I'm not), there really isn't a huge advantage to AnyDVD. But, if you really wanted it, and wanted to wait for a sale (which they have all the time) I wouldn't be _that_ offended by a 2 year license. Two years in this game is _forever._ The studios could stop publishing discs tomorrow, the software company could go out of business (this happened to Slysoft once, which is why they are RedFox now), a new version of the software could just be "bad" (my opinion of what happened to DVDFab... combined with other issues), better software could come out from a competitor, or whatever... But... MakeMKV for 60 bucks for a forever license is such a better deal that I don't think I can continue to recommend AnyDVD to anyone unless they just HAD to have easy direct disc playback. I had so many people asking about doing so that I HAD to show how to play discs on unsupported hardware even though I don't recommend that people take that approach. Anyhow, the easiest way to use MakeMKV to rip is to do that is what I showed in the video. Just File -> Backup. For me, I then need to run those files through ImgBurn to get an ISO of them, but that's really straight forward too. It just takes more time and effort for me to do it that way than it does to use AnyDVD to do it all in one step. FWIW, MakeMKV does make DVD ISOs directly, so, if you have a lot of DVDs to process, then there is literally no disadvantage to MakeMKV for those titles.
Out of curiosity, would the menu matter be resolved/would the ISO even be readable if I used PowerDVD? I just genuinely enjoy it more than VLC, but I’m open to going to open source options if I have no choice.
The menus rely on Java no matter what plays them back, so, that will always be a factor. As far as if PowerDVD will mount an ISO, or MKV (or any other format/container), I don't really know. Signs point to that not being a very good solution, but all of the information I'm finding is over a decade old. I will also add that VLC isn't the only player out there. I'm currently focusing on it because of its AI integration with certain nvidia chipsets. That will be the topic of a future video.
The way thinga are going everything will be streamed and people will be intercepting those streams and recording them lol. There are shows you can get hi-def if you know where to look before they are even out on bluray lol.
You may enjoy browsing the software selections displayed during the Redfox portion of this video. 😂 For that matter, any competent capture card will do it too. It's just slightly more work and considerably more money.
The DVDFab business model is too vague for me to be able to recommend their software and I've had poor customer service experiences with them in the past. I can't speak to the legality of any of it. The laws are different everywhere.
@@mattisandersson9661 I personally think it's mostly because of streaming. The youth market is always who drives entertainment and many of them have now grown up in a world without physical media and probably even less desire to play it back on a large centralized screen that is chained to one room. It seems they prefer to stream to their phones or tablets.
Hello, Thanks for your video! 2 questions: I recently bought the LG portable UHD blu ray/dvd player(and the Matrix 4k UHD disk) The player plays all my dvd/blu rays, but to my dismay doesn't play the 4k UHD disk, I get that SGX error(playing with the PowerDvd)...even though I have an AMD chip in my laptop...sigh! So if I buy the anyDVD and rip the Matrix UHD to an iso, I should be able to watch it on VLC on my laptop? question2: I've recently bought on amazon, 2 movies that are 4k UHD(not the physical disk but streamed), but when I play them(with amazon app) the quality isn't good, the blacks are grainy and it has that discolored effect, kind of like watching shows on Netflix. I know can watch 4k videos, I watch them all the time on RUclips. Do you know what is going on? Am I wasting money buying digital streamed 4k UHD movies via Amazon? I'm not sure what to do? Thanks in advance!
Thanks, and thanks for watching! 👍 1 - Correct... AMD chips never have supported SGX, so you will need to go through the steps required to unlock your drive via a firmware flash (if possible depending on your model...) and then you can watch or rip your discs with the software of your choosing. 2 - That sounds like Amazon applying compression to their streams. My opinion is that anyone who buys anything that is digital only, without an assurance of quality or a local copy to download, is wasting their money. That's the majority of the reason why I prefer physical media. That said, I do have a few Blu-rays that also have the type of compression artifacts you're talking about, but it's pretty rare. I can't think of any UHD 4K discs that do.
@@TheBrokenTech Hey so I downloaded anydvd and tried to rip the 4k uhd and it didn't work :( I get this error message: Media is AACS protected! AACS MKB version 61 UHD Blu-ray disc. Drive supports bus encryption! Disc wants bus encryption! couldn't retrieve AGID (bus encryption)! ERROR processing Blu-ray disc!
@1adamantium1 It sounds like you skipped step 1 from my original response. You will need to unlock your drive, by way of a firmware revision, before you'll be able to use it to read 4Ks. I linked a video in the pinned comment that explains how to do it, if your drive is supported. Not every drive is...
@@TheBrokenTech Hey, so I downloaded the SDFtool Flasher and it doesn't recognize my drive(there is no option to select) I get an unhandled exception error when i load the app, I just click continue and the app loads, but no drive can be seen to flash??? I have the drive plugged in to the usb, and it reads dvds, blu rays.
@@TheBrokenTech ok, so I figured it out, for some reason I need to have MakeMKV intalled on my computer, now the disk is readable, and I flashed the drive! Just iso'd my first 4k disc...Thanks!!!!!!!!!
Regardless I recommend using Handbrake and compressing them instead of leaving them MKVs, you can get a benefit of lower space while keeping the quality for the most part anyways, alot of the bonus is the clarity but as long as you have 10bit color you wont see banding. Also MP4 is more widely player friendly.
I leave mine as straight ISO, which is the primary reason I prefer AnyDVD (RIP). No compression, no remux. Then I can mount them as drives and they show up just like a physical disc would and I can play them back with any software I want. That said... It *is* the more expensive way to go, but it's not that horrible. About 200 4Ks will fit on a 16TB drive and I've been getting refurbished enterprise drives for about $150/ea. There are presently only about 2000 4K titles on the market, so if you bought literally all of them, it would cost about $1500 of HDDs to back them up with no compression. Acceptable, IMO.
@@TheBrokenTech I was going to say most raw MKVs will be 11-40GB, that said for the average of about 550 movies on 16TB. Now that isn't terrible, I noticed what really eats up space is Series either TV or Web, and well Anime tends to chew through GBs. Honestly I don't like renewed or refurbished drives as I have personally seen most of them die in months to a couple years but if you get a good enough deal and maintain something like a SHR synology Raid I cannot see it being too terrible an issue.
For TV shows and stuff, 1080 is fine with me so the size isn't typically "that" bad. I consider that stuff to be more like candy, where as movies are a main course so I keep the quality up there. Regarding the drives, part of the magic of having a RUclips channel is I get paid (not a lot... but I appreciate it) to take risks and let you guys know how it works out. I have several refurb drives in rotation right now and one just about to go in for vendor warranty (so far, the vendor has been extremely good). I keep 100% fully redundant backups of everything, so there is no RAID and no complications. 1:1 complete parity across 2 different drives. Even 2 used drives is cheaper than one new one, so, it's a risk worth considering. Plus only one drive of each pair is really getting the hours put on. The other sits on a shelf most days. We'll see how it goes. 😅
Question, any settings that would help me fix my issue? I bought the Asus drive as you recommended, installed firmware, java, makemkv and vlc. Playback and menus are all working but for example when i play The Batman, everything plays fine up until say 1 hour and 15 min in as well as anything past that point. It will start to freeze, stutter start to play again, freeze but the sound is playing fine. I know my system is not top end but if you were saying your laptop 3rd gen intel could play it I figure mine should be fine, i74770k oc'ed to 4.4ghz 16gb of ram and if the gpu if that matters gtx 1080. Any tweaks I should be making in Vlc? I noticed the disk buffer and have played with that but did not stop it from happening. Starship troopers also paused maybe twice, only for a couple of seconds but recovered and played just fine for the rest of the movie. Any ideas? Thankyou.
If everything works fine except for specific places in a movie, I would suspect a dirty, or less than perfect disc... especially if you're talking about 4Ks. With that said, I don't recommend direct disc playback and don't have much experience with it. I rip mine.
@@TheBrokenTech Ok so have been tinkering, had the output set to open gl because I read it enabled tone mapping for HDR. I played The Batman again and since switched both disc and file buffer sizes to 5000. Then I turned off hardware acceleration and switched the output mode from open gl to dx11. All the parts so far that had an issue now play smooth. I did not run the whole movie which I will do next to verify but I did play the parts that had issues.
If I recall correctly, only one of those encoder options supports surround sound. I _think_ it's Direct X? If that's important to you, you probably want to double check. If I had to take a guess, I'd say increasing the buffer is what fixed it. When I previously experimented with that setting I found that the balance between overall performance and steady playback was razor thin. You may have to experiment with it some more.
@@TheBrokenTech I incrementally adjust each option separate so I could find out what made it work. From what I gathered the buffer helped but was not the fix. Turning hardware encoding off and on didn't really do much. It was when I switched the output render in both video and codec to d11 from open gl that fixed the problem as well as changing the threads from zero to 4, considering I am using a 4 core 4 thread processor. As for the sound I have everything setup proper HDMI passthrough and advanced settings dialed in, when i played The Batman back my Denon x1800h it was encoding Dolby Atmos as I have set the Denon on auto signal. Whatever it receives it automatically switches to (I figured doing it that way I would know what signal was actually coming through.) All speakers plus the zone 2 facing up toward the celling were firing on all cylinders.
My memory is too foggy on all of this to be absolutely certain about anything, except I know you can nerf your surround sound with VLC settings and pretty much not know it because Windows itself will continue to shake hands with your decoder as a surround source. What I'm less certain about is various formats like Dolby Atmos since I haven't made that jump yet. My older equipment simply reports Dolby Digital at all times because that's what Windows is feeding it. More modern equipment may be smarter than that. I'm also having extremely foggy memories of OpenGL being related to HDR or menus on certain formats or something weird... I should probably set one up again from scratch since I don't remember any of it anymore. 😂
What would the industry be worried about? They have abandoned their customers. No new 4K blu ray players, hardly any new discs. Are they worried about someone copying old stuff which they don't sell or don't support anymore?
My personal opinion is that "the industry" probably really isn't concerned with it any longer, which is why the tools that enable playback on unsupported systems haven't been chased out of existence. That said, I'm not trying to be the one to poke the bear. ETA: We are _finally_ getting UHD Blu-ray releases of Aliens, True Lies, and The Abyss! So... New big titles are still trickling in. Every month we get a few more.
@@TheBrokenTech Exactly. Also, if you had the intention of breaking the law by copying a disc, where would you find such a disc in the first place? I don't know anyone who owns 4K discs. I'd be happy to pay for 4K discs, if only they were available. The remastering of my favourite movies has stopped at 1080p, and whatever is on the market as 4K is either brand new movies, or old blu-rays which have been upscaled but not remastered.
@@jacquesmertens3369 I don't think I edited my original comment in time for you to see the change. New discs are coming out all the time. The 3 Cameron movies I mentioned are all full re-scans and complete updates. In fact, the true film snobs are upset about it because they don't like how Cameron has been color grading them and such. Depending on where you live, you may have to import them though. 😔
@@TheBrokenTech You also showed the deplorable quality of the discs that are currently being produced. They are more vulnerable than ever before. The manufacturers are shouting 'please, don't buy our products'. Last but not least: the discs have reached their physical maximum. 8K just doesn't fit. Never will. It's game over. Is there ever going to be a new physical format again? Crystals maybe, like in the Superman movie?
@@jacquesmertens3369 Oh, I have no doubt that this is the last generation of physical media that we will ever see outside of extreme niche markets. I'm openly advocating the people get the things they want now while they still can.
@@nirvanaeternity I think there are some other ways to do it but it gets so complicated, in a variety of ways, that it's not something I would recommend. The way hard drive prices are going, the barrier to ripping and storing your collection gets smaller and smaller every day.
The trouble with vlc player for playing back the ripped films you cant add any cover picture to the mkv file i tried with mkvtoolnix gui shame as i would like to add the proper picture to them instead of seeing the orange cone all on my hard drive. You can do this if you use k lite codec but the picture quality doesn't look as good as the vlc player i am guessing vlc has better codec built in to it.
So you want a preview image or cover artwork or something as the default icon for MKV files instead of whatever VLC defaults to? Also... I'm not sure that VLC includes any codecs. I use the K-lite codec pack behind the scenes with VLC running on top.
I don't have 4k bluray or 4k bluray player But i installed a Blu-ray drive in my laptop (i7 4000) and it works fine, can read bluray with vlc, only had to add codec in vlc folder Also, i have a base xbox one, plugged to my pc via a usb capture card, works fine for games and Blu-ray 🤷♂️
Yeah... No good thing ever lasts. 😔 I think there are ways of integrating MakeMKV with VLC and getting playback to work that way, but I didn't have any luck with it. Direct playback is so finicky in general that you're better off to just rip your discs and play them back that way.
PS3 drives are _notorious_ for blu-ray failure. I have a dead laser in a slim right now (a project which may come to the channel). 😂 Anyhow... I love me some PS3, but that would be the last platform I would trust for reliable blu-ray playback into the future.
@@TheBrokenTech I own 3 PS3s. 2 fat ones since day 1 and 1 newer super slim. I personally never had any problems with any of the drives. I've had other issues, but not the drives. Then again, I've never owned the 2nd gen slim. If there are a lot of Playstation Blu-Ray drives failing it's most likely from neglect. More kids own game consoles than anyone and you can see how they are treated when you look on the used market. And the sheer numbers of PS3s out there is gonna give you a higher number of possible failed drives. Anyway, these days I mainly use the PS3 and PS4 for 3D content via either Sony's Playstation 3D LCD monitor or one of the DLP projectors I have. I'm a huge 3D nerd.
@@nonsuch I'm not a Playstationologist or anything, but the blue laser dying in the drive is probably the first well known problem of them that I heard about. I remember hearing about it before the YLOD was a thing and that came on to my radar probably around 2010-ish. It's interesting you mention the owners of the machines. The failed slim I may repair is actually my Dad's. He's 78 and has never put a game in it. It was purchased as an entertainment unit where it has primarily played MP3s off of a USB drive. My fat 80gb has taken a beating, and as far as I know, the drive is still fine. 🤷♂ I'm still pretty comfortable in the direction I've chosen. As long as I stay in ISO format, I can always mount the image and do anything with it I want to play it back on whatever system is the best in the future... optical drive or not. I was very disappointed to discover that 3D had been discontinued from modern TVs, and most content, when I went shopping a few years ago. 😢 My PSVR is as far down that trail of nerdom as I've gotten.
I would love to use VLC player but i alwaysssss get it to stutter when playing dvds. I have tried so many settings but nothing works. I have a blu ray drive in my laptop and i tend to stick with potplayer. Maybe vlc is no good with warner bros idk. Its only a bit of stutter too.
@@TheBrokenTechit's just so odd. I have tried it on different devices I have but still VLC does not work well. And the hardware I have is quite good. At least it's good at ripping.
@@TheBrokenTechyes consistent playback issues with all my computer's. It could be just a Warner Bros thing. The weird thing is all my rips play perfectly fine. It's why I still keep it around. Maybe someone knows of w setting I can change for discs
The good(?) news is that they don't seem to be in any big hurry to produce a lot more of it. Still fewer than 2,000 UHD 4K Blu-ray titles exist and the format has been around for almost a decade. That said, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I'm trying to get all I can while the getting is good. I expect whatever the next iteration is after 4K disc to be worse in very meaningful ways while I can't imagine it getting much better in any practical way to most viewers.
I have no idea, but it's nice they didn't just take your money and run. The last time I looked at their software, you had to read very, very, closely to see that it won't play 4Ks anymore on most systems.
Yep. I'm still holding a very small amount of hope that they pop up at some point, but.... It's not looking good. Existing AnyDVD installations are still functional (for now). For those who don't demand direct playback, MakeMKV is still going along just fine.
@@TheBrokenTech Yeah I went through the slysoft shutdown now looks like Red Fox too. Like you I hold a small amount of hope but this long in silence, not much hope.
Given the ridiculous laws all over the world, I can easily imagine scenarios where they are well served to simply evaporate. I can't blame them for that. I blame the industry that put us in this position in the first place.
I do the mkv so that i can eliminate any crap that i don't want, like alternative language audio and subs. Then i reencode the video stream to h265 using nvenc to save space. Lastly, create a new mkv.
I just don't have the patience to mess with that stuff anymore. Put the disc in the drive, click the mouse 3 times, and I'm done. Hard drives are cheap. Let's fill 'em up. 😎
@@TheBrokenTech I do have a decent excuse. I like to load up a portable USB drive that I connect to an Nvidia shield. I take this off grid. For the portability and convenience, I want them on a 2.5 external drive powered only by the shield's USB port. My largest one is only 5gb. So I want a lot of content selection with some pretty tight constraints. Hunting cabin with a group. But yes, it's a pain😂
@@jdogi1 We all have our constraints and reasons. For me, I'd probably be more willing to cart in a USB dock just the one time and pack in full-size drives after that. 20TB 3.5" drives are sub $300 and will hold ~300 full-size 4K movies. Plus, the efficiency of running the drive straight from a 12v power source, rather than stepping it down to 5v via USB, may actually be more power efficient from your source (presumably 12v batteries charges from something). It would be an interesting study. But... If I'm honest, I would just pick 20-30 titles and "rough it" for the trip. That's what I normally do when I travel. In fact, I have to load up some holiday favorites soon. _Die Hard, Die Hard 2, etc._
Some of you guys pick the weirdest statements to latch on to in these videos. 😂 That said... nearly any 10 year old $20 phone is a better music player, with a better screen, a better charger, a better UI (especially for file management... no iTunes to fight with), higher capacity, and less weight than an iPod. I'll take your word for it that they may be popular again for some reason, but I find it hard to believe it would be for practicality. That said, if someone wants to pay me a bunch of money for mine, they're for sale. 😆
iv been told the best way to go if you want a player and burner that will always work every time on any disc. its not cheap or easy to find but well worth it' is to buy a individual standalone blue ray drive supposably copy and play even if copy writers ' not sure if its true' I've seen only a few that were for sell but the price ouch it better work lol
I've never seen a set-top UHD 4K burner. I also wouldn't recommend trying to burn them because the media is astronomically expensive. Waaaay back in the DVD days, I heard similar arguments and they may have had some merit at the time, but I believe that time has passed.
i agree and at a1500 bucks was what price id seen crazy the guy was a high end audio and video collect that told me about it' the thing i found interesting is that their also able to copy game disk and play' from what i was told. if true the price is a little more untannable lol@@TheBrokenTech
@@josephsaucedo8691I'd have to know what specific machine he may have been talking about with you, but I'm not aware of any such machine being able to cover so much ground. Copying game discs has also been a little sketchy, depending on what system. Almost always, it requires a minimum of a firmware update to the game console. With all of that said, approaching 20 years ago my Dad had a set-top DVD recorder/DVR combo and it was like $900. I don't think it had any capability to copy an actual disc. It could only write from what was stored from its hard drive (which could be input via component inputs).
And we will all eat bugs and live in tiny houses... sure. I have an extensive cataloged library. I have never streamed a feature film in my life. I do realize the studios may attempt to to take away playback ability, but I am confident that humanity will rise up and deal with that.
I believe the day is coming where we won't see physical releases of features and we will be left with only assorted digital versions. This has already happened with most of the original content being released by Netflix, Amazon, Apple, etc. We see some of them go to the theaters so they can compete for awards and then straight to streaming afterward. I don't think it will be too long before the other studios follow suit. That said, I don't have anything in particular against streaming. I just like to have options, particularly regarding the massive back catalog of stuff that isn't streamed (my personal collection exceeds Netflix's streaming library when excluding their originals), and I prefer to have control over my own content. That's why I'm hording playback equipment and sharing various options for archival. This human is already rising against the corporate machines. 😂
yes you can do it directly through vlc too, but i found that to be flaky especially with the old VideoCD , so i use an WINCDemu but it also take care of data as well so its just a go to. but thank you for the heads up for the super res for VLC as i known it was coming but after you mentioned it i started digging and found the cookie jar i shall try on my babylon 5@@TheBrokenTech
The entertainment industry probably wants to kill Blu-Ray anyway in favor of streaming. It's only a matter of time before new movies won't even come out on Blu-Ray any more.
That's my theory as well, but I've seen a few things that have really surprised me... I never in a million years expected Disney to release the various Starwars shows from D+ onto 4K, but they have. I think time is against us in general, but every now and then there is a ray of hope.
It's been awhile, but as I recall... You had to chase after various library files, and keep them updated on your own, that aren't built into MakeMKV. So that system required a constant cat and mouse game of trying to stay ahead of the discs (which AnyDVD does for you). I also couldn't get it work when I tried it. No matter how anyone decides they want to get there, my overall opinion is still the same: direct playback of discs on a PC is more hassle than its worth, although possible.
@@TheBrokenTech might have been a thing in the past, from watching your videos you do know a lot more than me when it comes to this, though as far as I'm aware unless it's a recently released disc, makemkv updates it's keys automatically, though menus only work with Java, if u want to see how I managed it, I uploaded a 2 min video explaining how to do it from fresh (about 3 years ago, still works) seems to be hit and miss with the people watching. Really like your videos, only stumbled across your channel recently and it's very helpful! I'd be super interested on your take of HTPCs btw as I'm either thinking a Sony TV with android tv or Nvidia shield, unless there's software (other than Kodi) they I can load onto a mini PC/ r58x to work similarly to a smart TV UI with my streaming apps just with less clutter and more support for thinks like PGS Subtitles in Plex (hence Nvidia shield). Keep it up!
@@Pixel_Box First, thanks! I'm glad you're enjoying the videos. Working only from memory, MakeMKV playback just started to get more complicated than I thought my audience would be interested in when it comes to direct playback. Most people in that camp just want to put a disc in a drive and play it. That's the experience that AnyDVD provides. If someone has more than the minimum level of knowledge or technical capability, then the odds are good that they won't need my help. 😆 My very short take on HTPCs right now is that it's a very good way to go. I have a 4 year old entry level Dell with an i3 in it and an RTX4060 plugged straight in to my TV and it's serving my needs pretty well. I don't stream much, but when I do I just use the web interfaces of those streamers. I haven't experimented with more client/server style applications like Plex yet as I primarily only watch on one screen. That said, as I understand it, you can run a Plex server on just about anything and stream from that server with not much (or anything) more than a Firestick. For what I'm interested in right now (AI upscaling DVD content) I think Plex would actually hurt me since I don't think it supports nVidia Super Resolution. For me, a Plex client would basically be a companion app next to VLC (which does support Super Resolution) so I'd likely be using a PC as my client anyhow... which means I'd need 2 PCs (one server and the other a client). That day _is_ coming, but I don't know how soon. I do have a couple of videos scheduled along that path though. The next one will probably be about managing and playing a collection on a local PC (plugged into a TV or not) with upscaling.
@@TheBrokenTech to be fair I used Plex on my main system for over 4 years before I built a dedicated server for it, now it has 12 drives a 1050ti a i5-11600 and 16gb of ram with 20tb storage on triple parity, ofcourse using this for home assistant pi hole, sync thing and game servers when I and my friends wanna play anything, my only issue I have with Plex is PGS Subtitles have to be software transcoded and other than using a HTPC/Nvidia shield TVs can't natively play that subtitle format, I want the fancy formatting with text (if there is any) also, HDR tone mapping on PC instead of HDR compatible support. I only use Plex for the content I own on disc (content that's worth owning) and stream everything else I am less bothered about. I'd want to use my current gaming system as it's balls to the walls for the HTPC but I'd want a android tv like experience up until I'd want to use the desktop for steam and other desktop stuff, just nothing currently suits that specific criteria other than just using a smart TV then switching input source 😆. I'm unsure if Plex supports Thier super resolution though nvidias new HDR mapping tech affects it on my client app so I'd assume that the upscaling also works!
You're already pretty far over my head with a lot of that. 😆 The only thing I can really speak to is my general preference for running a PC interface vs. whatever smart TV style apps. I use Logitech K400 keyboard/touchpad combos and pretty much never any Smart TV style apps (none of my screens are internet connected). So... I wouldn't have any clue how to back up into any of that stuff. I also only just looked in passing, quickly, and found mostly old info, but it doesn't appear that Super Res is supported by Plex. BUT... it appears that it _is_ supported by some browsers/technologies, so it's possible whatever playback hardware you're using is doing it on its own if its nVidia based (a Shield would make sense).
I think I said in the video that doing that in AnyDVD prevents me from having to do it as a separate operation..? You absolutely can do it as 2 operations if you want, but I don't want to mess with that. 3 mouse clicks and I'm done. You have not seen it yet, but I have a ripping tower with 7 drives in it, plus one in the host PC. When you're processing 8 discs at a time, streamlining the process gets to be important.
Existing installations should continue to work for awhile... I don't think we know what happened to RedFox yet, but... It's probably not temporary at this point. 😔
i like your video but it makes me sad for humanity, like, why are so many humans in companies, trying to screw over humans in houses that want to see the things these companies made, considering the fact these humans in these companies, also go home in the evening like the rest of us and want to watch the things like the rest of us, what are we doing to each other sorry for getting philosophical about it but you started it
If it makes you feel any better, not all that long ago segments of humanity were conquering entire civilizations just for spices. A largely anonymous group of corporations cheating you out of playing a movie on your computer is a marked improvement in behavior over the last few hundred years. 😂
What a load of total bullshit. I never researched as I hadn't a clue and bought the LG for my pc and a complete Sopranos BlueRay collection. I have been fucking around for hours and gotten nowhere.
@@TheBrokenTech I certainly not a newbie by any stretch but I can't even get any software DVD player to play a regular Blu-ray. I followed your guide which is excellent by the way on downgrading the firmware. Curiously, LG version 1.05 would recognize the disc but I just can't get VLC or any other flakey DVD emulators to play it. The file structure shows up but it won't autoplay.
@@Ultra54able Thanks! VLC is just a video player. It doesn't include the keys to unlock the content on copy protected discs. The furthest I dared to venture down that road was introducing AnyDVD to the audience. Now that they're defunct, you'll have to look into other alternatives to decode the discs. FWIW, I still think PowerDVD is the only _licensed_ playback software for commercial discs. It won't play 4Ks on unsupported hardware, but it should be fine with 1080 and DVD with any drive that can read them.
I hate the fact that you cant own copies of media anymore. This shit is ridiculous, I just want to OWN the media and be able to play it back with any software of my choice without having to worry about that **their** media software or **their** authentication services will be deprecated in the future. This whole garbage ass attitude towards consumers has just gotten worse over time. I have to say that I am relatively well off and have no need to pirate stuff, but stuff like this pushes the consumers to do that. Even software now a days its rare to find lifetime purchase options, like photoshop for example. You used to be able to **BUY** the current version of the software for a price. But now a days they want you to subscribe until the end of your days... Anyways sorry for the rambling but I am just pissed off in general about how digital ownership is no longer a thing, its rent software/media until you die. Just ordered a blu ray drive to be able to backup my collection of media, hopefully everything works out well.
Don't get me started on software subscriptions. I'm with you 100%. That's actually the reason I'm using the editing package that I do and not something more advanced (not that I am such an advanced user)... I can't buy one anymore. As for media formats, it's been so long that we actually "owned" them that I don't really know a world where we did. Even back in the VHS days there was macrovision on selected titles. For better or worse, we're probably at the end of the physical media road and side industry has come along to at least partially free us from the DRM problems. So... this is probably the last time we'll have this specific issue. It will be virtual DRM we fight going into the future and that will be a much harder battle. Personally... I plan to just let them win. There's plenty of stuff to watch before today to get me entertained for longer than I'll live to watch it. 😂
@@TheBrokenTech I agree 100% with you, once this ship has sailed with owning physical media I dont think we will be able to truly **legally** own digital media again. Thats another battle for others to take up as you said. Peculiar situation we are in though, most of the new movies/tv-series are shit while most of the good movies/tv-series are on disc and prices for blu rays and dvds will continue to plummet.
@@xtexasredx6051 It really is difficult to predict what the future will hold and what content people will want. I would have never guessed that a format like TikTok or "Shorts" would ever be popular, but, here we are. It could be that television and movies are completely made obsolete in favor of trillions of 30 second tidbits random sewn together. We may actually be lucking out and enjoying the peak of entertainment right now. 😂
I plan to re-rip my collection as straight .wav or possibly even just copy it as CDA. Those two options seem to be the most compatible and "lossless". Since storage space is essentially free as it relates to audio files, there's really no reason for any compression anymore.
Who is we? A tiny niche of audio enthusiasts? Apple didn't "bow" to FLAC. ALAC was developed by Apple separately from FLAC. Apple doesn't support FLAC. The industry moved on to MQA for lossless streaming. I don't know how you arrived at "far more widespread" when all iOS devices and Android devices support ALAC natively and Apple doesn't support FLAC. So, fewer devices support it. No streaming services support FLAC. Apple Music uses ALAC. Other services use a combination of codecs, none of which are FLAC. So, far fewer people listen to FLAC. You can buy FLAC tracks, for the 0.001% of people who do that, I suppose.
For this to work, you will need a drive that is capable of reading 4K discs. I discuss this in the video linked below:
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Java is still very much supported, with the newest version having launched 3 months ago.
Having Java installed on your computer does not pose a vulnerability.
Java remains one of the most popular and important programming languages.
JavaScript is not Java at all.
I don't believe there has been any new release or support of the Oracle JRE in years, which is what all of the playback software wants. Installing the modern JDK doesn't work (even when populating all of the paths and associations manually), and even at that, the ancient JRE menu support is spotty at best. I don't think I've ever gotten it to work on a 4K disc.
At minimum, I will maintain my position that any software that is installed on a computer, running in the background for no reason, is a security risk. I don't think I've had any cause to install Java since I was in Java class in 2003... except to experiment with bluray menus 20 years later. 😂 From a user prospective, it has gone the way of Flash. If programmers are still developing with Java and it's as transparent to users as C++ or anything else, OK. That's beyond the scope of anything that would require a user to install the JDK and have a virtual machine just sitting there waiting to do... "stuff".
With all of that said... I'm still planning to continue to experiment. If a solution appears that simply _works_ at an acceptable level, perceived or real security risks or not, I'd do it and share it. If there are legions of IT security professionals in the comments explaining how to secure it, that's even better.
Oracle Java has been updated on September 19th, 2023. Java is very much still in use today, though not many use it in stand alone sotlftware, it is very much still used as a platform on many web services, and especially in the financial industry. In fact, if you were to learn any programming languages, and wanted to have a successful career, I would suggest Java or Python. Rust and Go are newer languages that would probably be good as well. But most professional coders I know work with Java. As much as I hate it from a user point of view.
Also, since when does Java just run with nothing running it? It has an update notification, but that is it.
@@slaapliedje The modern JDK doesn't work for this and the ancient version of the JRE (which is the recommended solution by the software vendors) only works sometimes. Running an ancient version of Java isn't recommended. I don't recommend running any version of it because you just don't need it. I wouldn't have any other potential security risk just hanging out either. So, the short answer is that Java runs whenever it's hijacked by malware. No Java, no hijack. Just like SGX on Intel chips. No SGX, no exploit.
What I would really hoped to have seen in the comments from the Java experts is someone explaining how to make Bluray menus work reliably with the modern JDK. I'd be delighted to share that solution.
@TheBrokenTech I mostly use Linux. I will flash my drive (I happen to have the exact ASUS model needed because it was on a list of drives that can read / copy PS3 games that I bought and ripped to play on my Steam Deck). Pretty sure I have gotten menus to work on regular blurays via a library from mkv and VLC using Linux, have not tried in Windows yet.
@@slaapliedje I have gotten menus to work on some normal Blurays (inconsistently), but never a 4K, and never with the modern JDK.
Excellent video! Very informative. Watching your portion on Bluray & UHD (lack of) protective layer, I can't help but wonder where we'd be if HDDVD beat out Bluray. The former actually had a 0.6mm layer versus the pitiful 0.1mm layer in Bluray & UHD. I suppose either way the corporations would've still moved ahead with killing physical media.
Thanks!
It's hard to say, but I think DVD would have had similar problems in the long run. HDDVD discs were down almost 50% in capacity versus their Blu-ray cousins, then that became a factor of 3 in the UHD Blu-ray era. It seems that they may have had to change their discs mechanically at some point just to make room. That's why Blu-ray did it.
I remember being assured that bluray was going to be indestructible next to DVD and CD. CDs seemed to scratch if you sneezed in their general direction but it just skipped on one moment in the song or at worst locked up and you had to manually go to the next track. Of course, along the way error correction was getting better for a while. I remember having some DVDs with a bad scratch that would crash a cheaper DVD player but the Blu-ray player would go by the moment like nothing happened.
With each advancing technology the durability seemed to take a hit. To a point, I understand it since the laser has to be more and more accurate with each evolution, that means finer and finer defects will cause read issues. In that regard, and probably only that regard, I won't miss physical media once it finally sunsets.
I'm only at the 25 minute mark, and my brain is very tired. But I had to stop to give you a thumbs up and become a new subscriber. I can't wait to watch the remainder tomorrow, after a good night's sleep!
Awesome! I'm glad to have you! 👍
You underestimate the consumer market. Physical media is going nowhere for a handful of reasons. 1. They keep pushing 4K and even 8K now and regardless of streaming, streaming services just can't keep up with bitrate. 2. The market has proved there are enough cinephiles to make a profit on physical media. Even Disney has started releases blurays and 4K discs. 3. The whole world is not the US. There are plenty of areas in the world where they prefer physical media.
0 - There has been no technical advancement in physical media in a decade. Not even a rumor of an advancement. Oppo, perhaps the premiere manufacturer of higher end players, has exited the market at what _they_ said is the peak of their player's performance capability.
1 - The streamers, and the consumer in general, don't seem worried about actual quality. They will serve whatever resolution the consumer thinks they want at whatever diminished bitrate they choose that day (this is the primary reason I personally prefer UHD Bluray). MOST people, seemly can't tell the difference anyhow. This is compounded by more and more of the audience watching on tiny device screens, and frankly, boosted by the advancements in compression technology.
2/3 - This doesn't appear to be true. Disney is exiting entire markets, the most recent of which being Australia. I remember seeing something about Mexico being a media desert as well where there are simply no retailers remaining to buy from and no one importing the media. You can look up the sales data from whatever country you may have in mind, but I'm not aware of any market that is growing.
Anyhow... Sometimes people mistake predictions for wishes. I don't _wish_ for any of this to happen. I just believe that it will. If I'm wrong, then that's good news for all of us. If I'm right, then we should get our ducks in a row now to enjoy our collections for years to come.
@@TheBrokenTech I think you are just a pessimist. Dude I buy boutique label blurays of Asian films and they all sell out within a month, the special editions that is. Then they will continually stock the standard editions. I know this because I have talked t them and they have to get new stock all the time.
@@ramdom_assortment I openly admit my pessimism. I don't even think there's a debate. 😂
The penalty for my pessimism being wrong is nothing. There is no punishment for things going better than expected. The penalty for misplaced optimism could catch you without playback capability. I believe the media will continue on long after the players all dry up. That's my entire argument. Put systems into place now that ensure you can play your collection later. If you don't want to do that, that's cool. That's why I covered direct playback too.
@@TheBrokenTech I have done that and I do everything on the computer, which I think is better for a few reasons. I don't plan on ever living in, or even visiting a country that is not Fair Use and/or has strong freedom of speech. This is why I don't plan on ever living in Japan for example. People can complain about the US, but Japan is really a country where consumers have no say. I think it is because they tried to go in the exact reverse post WWII and thus promoted the populous to be docile, similar to Germany in that sense but more so. That of course is an argument all on it's own.
@@ramdom_assortment Having a good system in place, that you're comfortable with, is really all I'm going for when I make those sorts of statements of opinion. If you're all set, then you're ahead of me. I'm still learning and tweaking as I go.
most people don't know, you can make a ISO from a Blu-ray disc and play it on VLC with menu like in any other player.
Yep, but menu support doesn't work at all that well. At least for me. Then there's the security risks.
@@TheBrokenTech I'm just curious, what's wrong or security risk with java, I thought it's normal on windows, it even updates it sometimes? I thought Java is safe?
@@jglg7238 Java hasn't really been a normal thing for at least the last 10 years. The only thing I can think of that I use which requires it, is bluray menu support (which I can't get to work reliably). I believe HTML5 has outmoded it in most cases.
Java created various security holes and exploits for years. You'd have to go back through all of the change logs to see all of the bug fixes. But, the biggest among my concerns is that it seems most of the playback software wants an _ancient_ version of the JRE to work, and those ancient versions haven't had any support in years.
Anyhow... None of that is to say that it can't be done or can't be done safely. What I am saying is that it's not presently worth the hassle and risk for me to do it or recommend it to others. If it _worked,_ I would have at least shown the steps to implement it.
@@TheBrokenTech I see, yeah it's true VLC i had to download a old version of java to get the menu working for some reason it wouldn't work with the new java
@@jglg7238 The "old" version I believe is over a decade old by now and hasn't had support or security updates in years. It's like running Windows XP and Internet Explorer in the modern era. I wouldn't suggest it.
Thanks for the video. Been hooked on your content over the past couple of hours 😂
Thanks for watching it. I'm glad to hear it! 👍
It worked for me on my first try yesterday after I got an ASUS BW-16D1HT Drive in the mail Wednesday!!! You are the best!!!
Thanks! Glad it worked out well!
I had a very early LG model bluray player that had no wifi and i never hooked up internet to it. To this day it still can play latest bluray discs. Even if the loading time is ages.
When you insert a new disc into the player, it updates its AACS keys from that disc.
Just watched the video from 3 months ago, and now this one. Nice!
I'm glad you enjoyed them! 👍
I have gotten to the point where I do not care about playing the disc back, I can rip it with makemkv and watch it raw if I want or shrink with x265 with handbrake. I do have a 4k player on my tv too.
I agree, but a lot of people really do want to just play them. I see both sides of it.
Just wanted to leave this here. I haven't finished your video atm but your presentation mixed with the dash of humor really drew me into it. That, along with your voice, I could listen to you go on for hours lol.
The good news for you is that I never shut up! 😂
Thanks for watching! 👍
@@TheBrokenTech I'm in good company then. Just finished the full video which is impressive considering I tend to act like a squirrel. I also come from the long lost time of CDs and know a friend that has quite the collection ripped in MP3/MP4 format. My question would be to ask for him is: Do you see MP3 files going the way of the dodo anytime soon or is my friend's collection safe from having to migrate again to another format. Thanks again.
I think most digital formats will be safe once they're back off of their optical discs. MP3s will be supported for a long time to come... but... There's really no reason not to re-rip as FLAC and get your album art polished up... maybe even add lyrics if you want. My CD audio collection is well over 1000 discs and I do plan to eventually do exactly that myself. In the mean time, the MP3s are still playing just fine in everything I own from my 20 year old car stereo to my tablet bought a few months ago. 👍
@@TheBrokenTech super cool, subbed and looking forward to more vids for educational purposes!
I'm happy to have you.
Blu-ray menus only work with Java8, and no update after 321. You'll need to either make a script with VLC that sets the environment variable to the folder you're keeping the Java 8 runtime environment in. Then blu-ray menus will work. assuming it's not a BD+ encrypted disc.
I have viewers who swear they've gotten it to work with later revisions. It's something I need to look into more deeply.
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Such a shame there's no mpv love. blurays uses PGS subtitles, mpv plays them perfectly. use that.
That's one of the options that I plan to look into in the future.
MPV for the win!
The only downside is that mpv doesn't seem to support menus (at least with DVDs)
For me the main reason I always preferred playing DVD's, HD DVDs and BLU RAYS on PC is because.
A. PC surround sound cards = £20. Surround analogue speaker kit = £60.... No HDCP/Dolby licensed decoders required.. Consoles and standalone players don't do analogue surround EVER, only a badly mixed L+R channel stereo if you're lucky. And Surround kits for them always force you to buy full on AMP + SPEAKER + decoder which has to support HDMI+HDCP+DOLBY+DTS which is ridiculously overpriced and could cost £400 for a base model.
B. On PC (At least with media PLAYER CLASSIC ON K-LITE CODECS PACK) Allow me to manually assign surround channels to L=R stereo headphones and speakers for a PROPER TV quality downmix with Centre dialogue sent to stereo and surround no longer being missing.
LITERALLY ALL Hardware DVD/BD players have the problem.. "OOH MIUSIC AND ACTION-LOUD. let's turn the volume down so I don't scare my neighbors."
Then Whoops. Dialogue scene.. "DO I NEED A NEW BATTERY IN MY HEARING AID?" Let's turn the TV up.
THEN BANG! "AAAH THEY BLEW MY FRIKKIN SPEAKERS WITH THAT EXPLOSION AT MAX VOLUME"
PC. Forced Stereo downmixing is the only way to get Surround to sound correct in stereo.
PC. is the only way to get True surround on the cheap. Without having to re-buy a whole new decoder and speaker kit every time corporate overlords decide to UPDATE DOLBY/HDCP/HDMI/DTS.
This is the main reason I ALWAYS choose PC playback over hardware players..
VHS was literally the last video format that didn't sound like hot garbage with 2 speakers.
A. I'm not sure how all of the nuts and bolts of the decoding go on the surround side with handshaking, but Windows itself is happy to shake hands with all of it, pass it along, and then you can do whatever you want (convert it to optical, for instance, which nukes any sort of copy protection). My first DVD, and then first Blu-ray, players actually did have analog surround outputs as that would allow older hardware, as long as it had 5 input channels, to support the newer surround formats. That feature has been cost reduced out of both sides of that equation for a long time. With all of that said... I've had a "proper" surround decoder for about 25 years and I enjoy the relative simplicity of just plugging a cord into it as well as selecting what could be considered as more than the "minimum" as far as speakers and amps. It's also nice that the signal stays digital until it hits the output of the amps. It's extremely rare to pickup noise on a modern-ish setup.
B. 1 - I've never really tried to configure headphones so I'll take your word for it, but if you like customizing your audio channels you'd absolutely love Equalizer APO (and I highly recommend its companion, "PEACE"). You can adjust, EQ, crossover, etc pretty literally anything with that setup. That will be the topic of a future video. I was kinda hoping to move up to an Atmos setup before then, but, we shall see.
B. 2 - Since I've always used a "proper" surround decoder, I just let it work out stereo down-mixes if I'm in that mood. They've always seemed to do a good job of it. Many older titles will still include the original stereo, or even mono, theater mixes as options too. No down-mixing required.
B. 3 - I long ago moved to buying separate amps and decoders exactly so I don't have to re-buy a new decoder AND amps whenever an upgrade comes along (spoiler alert: this did not save me any money). That said, even pro-logic is going to do the best it can if you feed it a modern signal. Same with Dolby Digital and DTS if you send it Atmos or TrueHD. You still get what you paid for out of that older equipment. My present decoder is from 2005 and does an admirable job with modern source material. It's actually the second of its kind and I think the one I'm using right now is an eBay find that was maybe 80 bucks? 😂
B. 4 - You may get in a literal fist fight with Laserdisc fans if they hear you say those sound like hot garbage... There are guys out there right now that swear their old LD concert discs still sound superior to their modern counterparts. That was a hotly contested subject when DVD came along. I'm sure you can still find the ancients strolling around various message forums and continuing the debate to this day! 🤣
@@TheBrokenTech Sadly I have never had the pleasure of using LD and the only one I ever seen in the wild was at a pawn shop in Wales and I was like... (I HAVE NEVER SEEN A CD THIS HUGE) Kinda wanted to buy it, but didn't have the budget at the time.
I'm sure Stereo laserdisks probably sound as good as stereo TV movies and NICAM Stereo VHS, but later versions of LD's came with 5.1 Digital surround. And I am not sure if it was ever optional, or downmixing dialogue (Centre channel to left and right) was possible just like it was not on almost every DVD player I ever used.
So. Movies recorded from TV to DVD-RAM/VHS sounded fine without surround speakers. Because TV broadcasters know their target demographic... (A home TV, who woulda knew) but Studio Movie DVD's I always end up fighting with the volume control to keep the balance between ("Can't hear what they're saying" and "OWW EXPLOSION TOO LOUD and it's 2:00AM")
After I purchased a Surround sound card and the appropriate speakers the first thing that shocked me more than the surround itself is how clearly i can hear everything.
In my opinion never adding Downmix as an option for DVD/BD players/Streaming boxes. At least for the vast majority of people who use their TV speakers to watch movies has been a colossal design failure for all budget home theatres across the world. And for headphone users. "Where's that centre dialogue speaker gonna go, my forehead? That doesn't help at all. i don't have an ear there" Haha Anyway Rant over.
@@TheBrokenTech Umm, so are you saying that an old (Optical/Coaxial) Surround decoder from generation-DVD is actually compatible with decoding Dolby True HD and DTS Master Audio if connected with appropriate TOSLINK/COAX? I would have thought there would be a complete audio loss due to a brand new audio format transmitted via cable. (Provided they let you use non HDMI decoders to send it from the BD player in the first place.)
I bought my LD player and some discs just as a fun thing 10-ish years ago. I never had one in the era when they were popular. The disc jackets make excellent wall art, and at least at the time I was buying them, they were cheaper than movie posters... plus they're actual movies. I didn't spend much on it and it's a fun thing to break out once in awhile.
I'm not an authority on it, but... I think... LDs with 5.1 tracks also had to carry analog tracks since _most_ players were not capable of decoding 5.1. So, you had to have a machine that had the appropriate digital out, THEN an external decoder (I happen to have one, though my LD machine lacks the output to use it), AND a receiver that could accept it to get 5.1. It was a whole thing, I guess. Anyhow... The arguments about LD sound quality were that LD used a less compressed version of DTS/DD vs. their DVD counterpart. I'm reasonably sure this all went out the window with Blu-rays and their sound formats, but for a time the LD community had a leg to stand on... I'm positive the arguments are still raging somewhere on the internet. So, anyhow, stereo tracks on LD were not remixed versions of the 5.1 tracks. You got a separate analog mix just for you (including separate outputs on the machine itself). Also... Sometimes there would be multiple analog audio tracks, most often used for director commentary. Since LDs don't have a menu system like DVDs, that all had to be handled at the hardware level, so you would actually switch your player between outputs to hear the different tracks.
I agree with your complaints about sound mixing. My general approach to that has been just to turn my center channel up since that's where _most_ dialog is going to happen, and that has the applied effect of turning everything else down. Some TVs and players will also have peak leveling (and the software I mentioned will do it too... VLC may have its own thing as well) but I just never have cared for how it made things sound. It seems most of it just hard clips at a certain threshold and it sounds terrible. Most of the time, I just keep a finger on the volume. 😂
I think technology has progressed far enough to maybe make the down-mixing argument obsolete. Anymore anyone who is serious enough about movies to actually watch a 4K is probably going to have at least a soundbar and I quite suspect that the primary installed base of Atmos users are actually running headphones. I have no idea how surround sound in headphones works, but I guess it does. Every once in awhile we get a win.
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I'm saying the modern formats are backward compatible with older formats. If you plug a modern soundtrack into a Dolby Digital decoder, you get Dolby Digital, not silence (and also not the modern format). So, when I watch a 4K with those new soundtracks, I just get Dolby Digital out of them since I have an old decoder. I don't get the benefit(?) of the higher bitrate or extra channels that I don't have/it can't decode.
I think Toslink can support up to 7.1 audio and _most_ TVs I've seen that are mid-tier or up still have optical audio outputs. So, you plug your HDMI into your TV from your source, your TV does whatever handshaking, and then you can extract optical audio out with no compliance issues. That's how my decoder is connected right now as it's too old to support HDMI. You can also get HDMI audio extractor boxes that do the same thing and they usually also produce a mixed L/R channel of their own if you want to use it. So, they have an HDMI in with optical out and L/R analog RCA plugs.
There's an alternative for 4k UHD disk ripping and playback, namely DVDFab and PlayerFab.
DVDfab has a built-in utility for flashing those UHD friendly drives and has all those ablilties that are found in AnyDVD and MakeMKV.
PlayerFAB bypasses all those protection crap like SGX or HDCP 2.2 when running.
It also supports menus and playback of BDMV folders and iso backups.
Powerdvd is simply like shxx compared to this.
When it comes to picture quality, I can hardly see any difference between the picture of my UHD TV(LG OLED 75") connected to an OPPO 203,
as long as you have a decent CPU, GPU and at least medium priced 32" 4k monitor that supports HDR.
Seen from this aspect VLC player is not an option.
My three rigs, i7 4790k and TitanX, i7 8700k and 1080Ti, i7 13900k and 4080 super respectively, don't have any problems with UHD playback whatsoever.
Both win 10 and 11 are all ok. I personally use an external Buffalo drive and an internal ASUS drive.
I _was_ a DVDFab lifetime license customer... until they nullified my lifetime license for changing email accounts... then they broke all of their features out into different products, which each seemed to require their own lifetime licenses beyond what I already paid for all those years ago. I also don't think they really offer a "free" version and I already know that 99.99% of my audience is going to pick MakeMKV _only_ for that reason... and I'm not a proponent of direct playback anyhow. So... 🤷♂️
I still did try their latest offering and it refused to flash any of my drives, then it complained about them once I flashed them with MakeMKV. I also couldn't figure out how to get it to work with multiple instances (the reason for that will be the subject of a future video). In short... they let me down so I couldn't recommend their products to people. If all of those problems were my own making, they're welcome to reach out to me and see about getting me straightened up.
As for quality, I can't tell any difference at all between my set-top player and the PC. Except that the PC gives me a lot more control over things, like I can run a multi-channel audio EQ, AI upscaling, etc, which is all pretty cool. The data itself is indistinguishable to the input, so, it really shouldn't matter as long as you have a card which supports HDR@4K, which I think is almost everything these days.
As far as your setup, that all sounds fine except for the Buffalo. My only beef with the "buffalo" drive is that tomorrow they could put any other drive inside that enclosure and no one would know the difference. I recommend people buy their own enclosure, and a BU40N separately, and assemble the two so they know what they have. It's only a couple bucks more (and will also be the subject of a future video) and removes that as a possibility. As they are presently being sold, I think they're fine.
In the end, it really doesn't matter how any one prefers to skin the cat so long as we all get our cat skin hats at the end of the party. 😁
I just tried downloading the PlayerFAB app for free. It showed my disc, I clicked on it & it gave me an error message saying it couldn't play it. It didn't work :(
so I am thinking of purchasing the GOT 4K and would like to watch it using my laptop ( have an external 4k monitor ) can you a quick explanation on how im supposed to go about it to watch since anydvd is no longer available
@10:00 Fun fact, PS4 requires an internet connection to play back DVDs too. Not just blurays.
I didn't know that.. Slightly less fun fact: PS4s won't play audio CDs. The hardware is capable of it, but Sony decided to just not support it.
😂 that's ridiculous @@TheBrokenTech
Greetings from latin america, we're still hooked to optical drives. Just because internet is kinda slow and you can't really stream in 4k. This is gold. My blu ray drive is about to undergo the transition surgery so it can identify as uhd as well.
I wish you a successful operation! 😂
Hi, I normaly back ups regular Blurays and I never had issue there at all.
Now I bought my first 4k Bluray just to instantly back it up to try it out and it can detect the Movie thats on it.
But it now displays an READ ERROR Message and I dont have a 4k Bluray Player to check if this disc works at all.
Is it possible that my very first 4k Bluray Copy came broken? Or is it because I imported that copy from America to Europe because it exitst only there a 4k version (some kind of region locking)?
What a bummer :(
Blu-ray and 4K Blu-ray are not the same format despite having really similar names. It was the worst marketing decision ever for them to be named in the way that they are.
Anyhow, you need a drive that is able to read 4K discs. _Some_ regular blu-ray drives can be made to read 4K discs with only a software update. To see how to do that, if you have a drive which can be flashed, check out the video pinned in the description.
@@TheBrokenTech If my Blu Ray writer officially supports BDXL Quad Layer disks will it read 100GB 4K disks without flashing? It doesnt have the 4K logo on it, just BDXL
With AnyDVD recently being shutdown (again) I think going the MakeMKV + VLC route is likely the best option left.
Basically in the MakeMKV settings enabled the LibreDrive API for the system and VLC and then open the Drive like you showed in the video and with it just sitting their open in the background go to VLC and open the disk drive as a Blue-Ray in VLC. This at least worked flawlessly for me on my normal Blue-Ray disk I tried it on. I can't test it yet with a UHD/4K disk because I am still waiting for it to arrive via mail but I am pretty sure that I can get it to work in a similar way.
I know there is a way to interface MakeMKV and VLC, I just couldn't get it work when I was testing things out.
@@TheBrokenTech what I did was enable if tor everything in the MakeMKV settings and then press the open button in MakeMKV and once that is done go to VLC and open the Blue-Ray with VLC.
It sounds like what you did is sort of a bit of side stepping magic. There is a setting in MakeMKV to integrate it with VLC, presumably without going through that bit of hoop jumping. Since my goal is archival, I didn't spend a lot of time tinkering with it when I didn't get immediate results.
@@TheBrokenTech When my ordered 4K drives arrive then I might look into it and either write up a guide of what I did to get it work or even make a video. But since you already have an audience for this stuff we can collab on it in the sense that I'll make a short guide (If my experience is repeatable with 4K UHD BR discs) and you can maybe put out an update video on it. Especially with AnyDVD being gone now.
Sure, if you come out with something that is workable I don't have any issue shouting it out for you.
@24:09 reminds me of when a brand new xbox 360 game disc had a factory defect spot on it, it reflected light differently than the rest of the disc, you could play the game and all but what I use to do back then was install the game to the hdd so it loads faster and I don't have to rely on/listen to a spinning disc and stepper motor all the time. This disc would always freeze at 90% no matter how many times I tried, got a new replacement disc and bam, worked first try.
You'd think this is a bad experience right? no, PS3 uses bluray, release version of call of duty black ops 2 was playing great, I was having fun until one day I started seeing the disc loading slower, odd, I continued on playing. It kept getting slower every day until it wouldn't read anything. the disc burnt out the laser because of whatever the hell coating they decided to use with those particular discs and the repair technician said to not use scratched discs. mind you the disc was from an unopened box, crystal clear no visible damage.
I really do agree that they will do quite literally anything to save costs even if it causes damage to readers. also, if you ever see a white not so perfect circle ring around the center hole of your blu ray discs, your laser is burning. I noticed it on other game discs that didn't have that suddenly have it after.
As luck would have it, I was _just_ looking at PS3 replacement lasers as about an hour ago I bought a broken PS3 that may need one. 😂 I haven't personally had any failures of my consoles, but my Dad's slim refused to play Blu-rays awhile ago. I hear that's a pretty common failure with them, so... I'm thinking of stocking my spare parts up while I can still get them.
@@TheBrokenTech Yeah you're right, however for the particular disc I mentioned, I remember there being a ton of people with the exact same problem because of the exact same game. Mine was one of the 60gb ones (no BC). Also the experience corrupted the OS at least 10 times so worth going into the safe mode and refreshing everything at least once to be sure.
For spare parts I have no experience, they don't build tech like they use to, still can't believe I used my PS3 that long, almost daily back then and it still works perfectly after the laser replacement.
For sure there are bad runs of discs out there. Normally you hear that they don't work at all, but weirder things have happened. I imagine if the disc is manufactured _just_ wrong that the laser could constantly gain and lose focus, and eventually that mechanism goes out of calibration from the excess wear.
The primary reason I just bought that wonky console is because it _is_ backward compatible, as is my original one. I've also used mine for thousands and thousands of hours and also never really had a problem with it. I bought it in early 2008, tore it down and repasted it in 2011 when the first YLOD reports were gaining popularity, and put it on a laptop cooler since then... So, as far as I know it's never even been "hot", and being a CECHE01, it's already on the "cooler" side of the BC models. I've been wanting a second one as a spare, or parts, for years and today was the day.
I don't have any experience with the spare parts market for them either, but I'm about to. 😂 I do know that bad spare parts are still better than _no_ spare parts so that iron is hot for striking. Looks like new laser assemblies are only like 30 bucks and R/YLOD PS3s are out there by the dozen to harvest parts from pretty affordably.
edit: Glad we had this chat... I went to look at what I was buying again and realized the ad was wrong and it wasn't what I was looking for. Unwound the sale before any harm was done. 😅 The search continues!
@@TheBrokenTech Likewise, forgot to say great video btw, I don't even own blu-rays other than old games but it's very useful info for future reference.
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it. 👍
Some of the commenters really impress me... If you aren't pessimistic about what's happening to your rights as a consumer, you've lost the plot. And by golly, I'm with you on Java. I work a lot with servers and high-performance systems, those Java "programmers" write some of the most insecure code imaginable and get mad when you call out Java for being inherently insecure! I've banished it from my computer systems, of which I own plenty, ranging from just several thousand to several tens of thousands! Just like those plastic blu-ray disc cases, Java is a quality that keeps degrading day after day.
Thanks for this wonderful video!
If there's one thing RUclips has taught me, it's that we all have our own opinions. 😂
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching!
Edit: Others already mentioned this!
But what wasn't mentioned was that you don't need to run it actively in the background and only use the old Java for MakeMKV while playing the disk.
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Regarding your comment on Java there is a caveat that the VERSION of Java used in the old players has vulnerabilities. But IF you install newer versions of Java on your PC it should just work without vulnerabilities due to backwards compatibility. (Make MKV lets you even specify which Java Version you want to use if you have local copy downloaded that you don't actively use as the main JAVA tool on your system but only for specific tools.
Reading a blue ray menu as an example is a use case where if you trust the company that made the disk to not install a virus on your system via one of the vulnerabilities it can safely be used for that.)
Not sure why you'd think tape was the best way to get rid of dust, surley a fine lint free microfibre cloth is the way to go? with a small amount of isoprobyl alcohol for any bad marks?
I tried exactly that first, in addition to blowing it off with compressed air. 😂 The _painter's tape_ (specifically designed to be gentle) was a last resort and I was attempting to correct a read error. I didn't do it just to experiment.
@@TheBrokenTech As a last resort for me, I used an alcohol wipe to get a stuck on film off one of my 4k discs. I bought a Jurassic Park 5 disc set and disc 3 wouldn't rip. I was able to rip the other 4 discs, so I knew it wasn't a computer hardware issue. I tried a dry microfiber cloth a couple of times and the disc still had errors. Before I finished a claim on ebay to return it, I tried the alcohol wipe and it worked. At the time, I didn't have a stand alone 4k bluray player, so I needed to be able to rip it, so I could watch it. I bought the same player you have, Sony BP700 because it was $158 on black Friday and I don't expect it to get any lower.
I also use PowerDVD19 to play my mkv files, not VLC. I have my PC connected to a receiver with HDMI and I can use settings to play higher end audio codecs, that at least 3 years ago didn't work with VLC and Plex.
I'm also both too cheap and paranoid to buy the Any Time DVD.
I use MakeMKV to do the ripping. I then shrink it with Handbrake to a lower bit rate to save size, then re-rip with MakeMKV to enable chapters and subtitles to work correctly. For now, I'm keeping an uncompressed version on the computer I rip them but I copy them to the HTPC and shrink them there.
11:02 Hold on, I actually need help on this very point. My new Blu Ray player has only an HDMI out. I had no idea this was a DRM feature.
I am no longer getting 5.1 sound out my Blu Rays because I am having merely to plug it straight into my TV. Is there any box or adapter that would allow me to plug my new player (HDMI out) into my old sound system, which has only RCA-ins, without loss of image or 5.1 sound?
Yep, there is. I use a box that appears very similar to this one: amzn.to/4cqYkbk
...to perform that task. I'd link you to the _exact_ one I have, but it appears to no longer be sold.
That box will take HDMI video (and audio for that matter) and pass it through while pushing out audio into digital coaxial (what you're describing), digital optical, and L/R stereo.
@@TheBrokenTech Thanks a lot, I've been looking for a solution since last Christmas.
Ho-ho-ho! 🎅 🤣
So, If I just want to rip or make iso out of a regular bluray disc (non-4k) do I still need to flash the drive? What software is best for 1:1 backups?
Nope. No flashing required for regular Blu-ray or DVD. I prefer AnyDVD just for simplicity. Most people would probably use MakeMKV.
Great vid.
I just don't agree about a bunch of stuff: there will be ALWAYS a niche market for both, software and hardware.
HW side, there are plenty mid/hi-end players on the the net, like the oppo clones, reavon, the beast "Pandee", etc.
And they bypass any key natively.
SW side, once they majors will be gone, there will be A PLENTY of boutique labels releasing great products! Actually, they already exist.
Will be it cheap? Absolutely no! But it'll never die. At least for the next 2~3 decades. 😊
Thanks! Disagreements in opinion are always welcome.
On the hardware side... Have you tried to buy a new laserdisc player lately? Or a compact cassette or 8-track deck? Maybe even an _official_ UHD Bluray drive?
Software? Sure. There is no real barrier to entry for software development other than the talent to author it. Since there really was only ever one "major" (Cyberlink), I think this ball is already in motion. Frankly, I'm banking the future playback of my collection on those talented authors. What we have today is pretty good, but I'm expecting it to continue to improve for some time to come. The AI hardware upscaling and integration into the playback software is shockingly good already and very promising.
That said, I still predict a complete collapse of physical media within ~15 years and a virtually complete collapse within the next 5. I also predict a long period of time where it will be pretty cheap to collect as people of my age die off, or downsize, and their collections go to second hand shops. Once Gen Xers are gone, there won't be many people holding a candle for discs so demand will be low while supply is extremely high. Since I'll be in the great beyond by the time that happens, I won't get to see the accuracy of my prediction. 😂
@@TheBrokenTech hw side: yes. I just purchased a pioneer Cld-R5 regenerated in Japan (I have about 170 laserdiscs). But those were different times. It was all analog. With the digital handy tech, it's easy to reproduce clones especially for the Chinese, with their grey laws.
And as well, I'm optimistic for the boutique labels. Do you know the channel "films at home"?
Compared to him I'm a noob but even him isn't that much worried.
Surely won't be cheap, that's the only downside. About second hand, I agree, it will be dirty cheap.
Now I'll try to buy and hack an LG (thanks to your older vid) and I'll make all the backups (about 700 disc's 😅) but I'll play them by connecting 2,5mm external hard drives to my oppo 203, via USB.
So it will survive at least another decade even with the laser dead. 😂
About pc playback I'm not a big fan by past experience. It's like with videogames: I'll end to spend more time on settings (upscaling, rendering, deinterlacing, madVR, etc) and at the end I won't enjoy it.
For the same reason I play on consoles rather than on pc! Hahaha
EDIT: sorry for the typos but I write really fast and I overlook my mistakes. 😅
@@alexroot1980 So you were not able to purchase a new LD machine and had to seek out a repaired unit from Japan. How long will it stay repaired? How long will the parts continue to be available? When will all of the technicians die? Your laserdisc experience is exactly why I'm making the case I'm making. The hardware is going extinct. Back up your titles (and/or buy extra hardware) now if you want to continue to view them in the future. This will happen with Bluray too. It's unavoidable.
Sure, the Chinese can knock-off exceedingly low quality versions of hardware. We see this on compact cassette decks where there is _one_ Chinese mechanism of extremely poor quality and it gets farmed into everything. That's not really what I want to rely on. Once the only laser reader on the market is of that quality, which it will be once major manufacturers like Sony, Pioneer, etc aren't maintaining standards in lens manufacturing, we're going to have problems. Then we're relying on used equipment that never really was supported in the aftermarket. I've never heard of someone having a DVD player repaired.
Yep, I'm a regular viewer of Films at Home and I'm aware of the boutique studios doing small batch releases (I regularly rent KL releases). His channel is actually what motivated this series because he's been raising the same flags (Oppo exiting the market, Disney exiting Australia, etc). Maybe "worried" isn't the right term, but he's aware of where this is headed. Where he and I differ is that he doesn't seem interested in backing up his collection... yet. Or maybe he just has the wisdom to be doing it very quietly?
I hadn't seriously considered using my set-top player in combination with a HDD, in part because a single drive of the size I would need doesn't exist so a media server was always my plan. I'd also like to stream to every location in the house and not just be bound to one player. But, I have experimented with it and MKVs work fine on my Sony. I imagine that would go well for your Oppo as well as long as it would still boot and operate with whatever potential laser defect.
The primary attraction for me to PC playback is the extreme flexibility of configuration. It's really not as bad as it may have once been and software selection plays a big role in that. Right now just the nVidia AI upscaling on my RTX card is paying big dividends and that's a technology they are improving all the time. VLC deinterlacing is pretty much perfect and it does it with a check box. I have multichannel digital EQ processing that I could only dream of a few years ago and it's a freeware app. The stuff is incredible. That says nothing of being able to make my own custom edits if I want. I have a few titles that I have radically reduced in brightness for viewing while falling asleep. I can set audio peaks, bandpass, etc too.
I'm with you on PC gaming. It was a pain in the '90s and it's a pain today too. 😂 My experience with movies on the PC has been vastly better.
Really hoping anydvd comes back. Can't seem to find anyway around to get it to work.
At first I was confused when you first mentioned we would need any dvd but then I realised it's a piece of software called AnyDVD 😂
Ha! I can understand that. Unfortunately AnyDVD is now defunct. So... 😔
Would using the PC monitor as a mere screen for a 4K player work even for laptops? (5:43) Are you saying that if I have a UHD Blu Ray Player (not a drive) and plug it straight into my laptop using an HDMI cable, I could simply use the entire laptop as a monitor? Would that actually work, and if so would the player simply automatically take over my whole laptop screen as it loaded up?
No. You have no way to plug anything into the "monitor" on a laptop since that's all internally hardwired.
Wow, That oil was also on the wrapper of the new FNAF movie I unboxed yesterday. Thought it was fog, but no. Interesting. It's sad that quality isn't the same nowadays.
It seems to be a pretty common thing these days with these discs. 😔
I love the Matrix reference. 💚😎🖤 🔵 or 🔴
...I'm waiting to see how many of the other references people notice. 😂
@@TheBrokenTech Fun stuff 😁
Umm if i already have power dvd, do i still need java for menus? I don't have separate control panel java, but blu ray menus (1080) work just fine in power dvd. Will Any DVD decrypt 4K blu rays enough to play in Power DVD, or is it just for VLC?
I imagine PowerDVD installed Java on your behalf automatically, whether or not you were told. So... If it works, you're good to go.
Unfortunately, AnyDVD has been discontinued. 😔
I think a lot of movies might not even make it to a UHD, some of my favorites never even got a bluray. There was a cinemassacre video years ago about how the menus and featurettes on DVDs were vastly superior to the the bland blu ray menus, I can't speak for the 4k menus if they are any better but the DRM and the online updated previews are something I would disconnect my internet to avoid.
Really, I think less than half of all of the movies ever filmed where even released to home video at all. DVD has a stout catalog, bluray is pretty good, but you're right in that 4K is trailing badly.
Ehhhh... Some of the bonuses and such on the 4K discs are what I would expect. I'm not that familiar with the previews updating, but I don't allow my players to internet connect so it could just be a feature I never noticed.
@@TheBrokenTech I was told a few weeks ago that certain blu rays would crash a ps3 because they were trying to use that old Javascript to load online previews and they had to disconnect the internet to skip it.
In terms of the physical media argument, I think the average consumers would prefer to own the movies they like but it's so costly to keep jumping from DVD to bluray to 4k and the DRM got so out of hand it seems like a controlled demise. I think it's gonna be just like video games where only a minority own the physical copies and dump them online without concern for legality, for preservation of the art
@@dustymofo917 I don't have any experience with that issue on the PS3, but I quit playing Blurays on mine probably a decade ago. It sounds like something that is entirely plausible.
I see video games and movies as slightly difference things. These days, a video game actually takes longer to install from disc than it does to download and the disc is only used as DRM while the digital version doesn't (so you don't have to change discs to change games). In those regards, the digital version is actually a better product. With movies, we're not there yet. 4K UHD Bluray is currently the best quality available. It's not the cheapest or fastest, but that's not what most of us would be after.
@@TheBrokenTech PS4 and 5 games don't need internet or DRM to install the 1.0 ver of games, unless it's a online only/multiplayer game, but you won't get any patches unless you manually jailbreak your system and install them offline.
I agree tho, I was more referring to retro game/movies because let's be honest, that's the majority of what's worth owning. And it is a case by case basis, from what I've seen with 4k sometimes has a worse color grading than the bluray version. Hell apparently the Laserdisc and VHS versions of Bad Lieutenant are the only true uncut ones because of a song licensing lawsuit with Led Zeppelin
@@dustymofo917 When I mentioned DRM, I was referring strictly to the mechanical presence of the disc. In my PS4, that's all the disc drive does. Everything is installed to the internal drive. I remember RDR2 took like 6 hours to install off of disc. 😔
4K does seem to go on a title-by-title basis, but for the most part I think it's a good format. I think for most people the difference between 4K and 1080 Blu-ray won't really be noticeable until screen sizes grow to 75"+, unless the mastering/processing is really improved between releases. At around 130", just the resolution increase is very noticeable. Other people really think that HDR is the cat's meow, but... I can't really tell. I'll have to assume their vision is just better than mine. If I let the brightness on the TV go to the point that maybe I would notice, it would burn my retinas out.
Yep, there are still things out there on Laserdisc that have never seen the light of day beyond that format. Sometimes its licensing issues, sometimes its censoring, sometimes its simply lack of demand. That said... LDs look terrible on a screen of modern size. You _can_ watch them, but... I'll normally opt for a more modern version even if it isn't the truest one.
I play all my discs on PC in 1440p via DisplayPort. I see no need to do anything in 4K and higher. I use AnyMP4 to play all regions of BluRay without locking my BluRay drive to any single region if I play that region several times in a row, like PowerDVD does. I'm also ripping my BluRays, that I bought and paid for, to digital so I can bring my movies with me on my laptop without having to lug and external drive and tons of discs.
It sounds like your playback software is enhancing your copy protection situation, so, I'm going to say native DP compatibility may still be inconclusive. I doubt it will matter for many people as it seems nearly everything is HDMI these days.
IMO, 4K doesn't really start to pay big dividends until you get to screen sizes that are more easily measured in feet than inches. A lot of people go crazy for HDR/DoblyVision, but I just don't see that as a big deal either (which could be down to my particular screen). In many circumstances, what we're getting on a 4K disc is just a cleaner transfer than what went before it and perhaps some more advanced audio tracks. In that sense, it's worth it to spend another 5 or 10 bucks over a standard Blu-ray, but I don't know if I would intentionally upgrade many Blu-rays to 4K Blu-rays. From DVD? No question I go straight to 4K if I can.
This was a fantastic and informative video!
But the problem is you STILL need to find a compatible Blu Ray drive like that LG, go through the hassle of even finding one, then do a risky flashing procedure, for AnyDVD to work for Blu Ray and 4K Blu Ray movies
Thanks!
I linked the LG in the video description (though they do go in and out of stock), I've flashed about a dozen of these at this point and I've never had any trouble (and flashing is only required to unlock 4K discs), and unfortunately AnyDVD is now defunct... 😔
thanks for that short bit at the start.
EDIT: except anydvd is gone, darn it.
If it's any consolation, it was getting pretty expensive when it was around. 😂
Blurays and 4k blurays are physical disk but in an uncompressed format. Anything streamed or netflix or whatever is compressed. So in other terms is less quality in video format. That’s why a blu ray holds up to 50 gb of data while a movie in netflix can be up to 5gb
What is on the disc is also compressed (even what you see in the theater is), just not as heavily, not by the same technologies, and it always stays the same where streamers can change at will. That's why a 4K disc technically has 4 times as much information (4x the pixels) as a standard Blu-ray, but isn't 4x the data size (usually 4Ks are around 1-1.5x larger than their Blu-ray counterparts). Better compression technology is being used on UHD discs.
If you really, really, want to nerd on out this topic you can start researching various international versions of your favorite movies and you'll discover that certain releases may be more desirable for how they were processed, including how compression was applied to them. When you see reviewers talking about "artifacts", they're talking about compression.
Is there a 4k internal optical drive you recommend?
In 5.25", the LG WHNS14/NS16 drives are a good bargain. In 9.5mm the LG BU40N is a good choice. I'll have a video on the BU40N in the near future. It looks like you already found the video for the 5.25" drives.
@@TheBrokenTech yeah lol
A possible method of using an old java version could be to install it in a vm. Install os of choice, install java version you need, remove its network access, and snapshot it.
You could do something like that, but in my experience, the old version didn't work anyhow. I have several people that have reported trying different methods/versions/whatever and getting menu support to work reliably. I need to look more deeply into those suggestions and see if I can replicate their results.
I'm using the 17-13700 with Windows 11 and the Pioneer BDR-XD07UHD. I tried putting Terminator 2 4K Blu-ray disc in last night and the drive just kept making clicking noises and acted like the disc wasn't in it. I then put the HD Blu-ray of T2 in and it played fine. I'm not sure how someone in my situation could rip a disc when the drive acts like nothing is in it. 😩
I have to use Amazon Prime Video if I want to watch 4K movies.
This video is only part of a series on this topic. The previous part was about how to get your drive ready for use. I'm not sure if your Pioneer can be patched (probably not) but the LGs I show in most of my videos can. Then you can do whatever you want.
You will find the links to those videos in the description.
Intel 6gen added 4k HDR support, if you have an older version 4k should be a problem.
6th-10th generation Intel CPUs support SGX and can play 4K UHD Blu-rays if everything else is also compatible. HDR is not a function of the CPU.
great description of 'how we got here'..
Thanks! 🤣
I wish the industry would accept that a lot of us still love physical media myself included
They want you to pay forever to stream it instead... 😔
As for Handbrake?
fwiw,
Primary machine: Win10Pro64: Lenovo P520 Type 30BF - Intel Xeon W-2125 CPU @ 4.00GHz, 64GB DDR4, 2@ Samsung NVMe: SSD970Pro 2T, SSD990Pro 2T
Second machine: Zorin 17.2Pro - Lenovo M82 Type2756 Zorin 17.2 pro Intel Core i5 3470 @ 3.20GHz, 32GB DDR3...
both with NVIDIA Quadro K1200 (SFF for M82)... or should I just keep driving my '94 Sedan de Ville?
I don't remux my rips. I keep them as native ISO as they came off of the disc and I just have an army of HDDs. Because of that, my other system requirements are really low.
Running on the latest Windows 11 release and PowerDVD using a 10700k and 4k UHD discs play just fine. Not sure the “Microsoft and Cyberlink dropped it” warning is accurate.
I built the 10th Gen rig last year specifically for 4K UHD disc playback so I don’t have to monopolize the big screen in the living room. 4K monitor as well.
You're running on an unsupported configuration that happens to still work for now... I'll explain.
Intel's official position on SGX support in Windows 11 is that any Windows *10* SGX driver "should work" in Windows 11, but they're not developing SGX any further (including _for_ Windows 11). Cyberlink's official statement is that PowerDVD "should work" with UHD Blu-ray as long as your Intel drivers (and the rest of your hardware) are fine, but you need to check that for yourself (and you need to check before every update to make sure none of them break SGX) and they're not going to help you do it. Dell's (or any other hardware vendor) position on it is that SGX compatibility is dictated by Intel, but Intel's position is that OEMs are the ones who supply the drivers, so it's on them... MS also points the finger right back to the drivers... and so it all goes.
So... All of the entities in this series of events did drop support. Right now you're in a situation where the crew of your vessel have all passed away, but the sails are up and in the wind, so your UHD Blu-ray ghost ship continues onward until something stops it. The thing that stops it could be a security update to your BIOS, Intel driver, Windows update, etc. Maybe it never stops? Who knows?
In the context of this video, and especially through the message I tried to convey about future proofing yourself, I stand by my statement.
Thank you for the video. I am late to the game and UNFORTUNTELY as of January 2024 (I am commenting in May 2024) AnyDVD is NO LONGER available as a "lifetime license". Yep even they figured out you will own NOTHING and LIKE IT! You can purchase a 1 or 2 year "license" but it is 60 euros for 1 year and 75 euros for 2 years. Looks like I am going to have to learn to just use MKV to rip stuff and "make do". Slysoft was the "good guys" for what... almost 20 years? I guess times change. Still and all thank you for the informative vids. I will follow up with your series to learn more. I MOSTLY want to take my very, very expensive criterion collection DVD and Bluray collection and make backups so they do not die in 2 to 5 to 10 years. Ain't life grand?
Peaceful Skies.
Thanks for watching! 👍
I'm just learning about that today. 😔 The only reason I prefer AnyDVD is that it simplifies my workflow. 3 clicks and I'm done and I have a file in my desired container. If you're not interested in _simple_ direct playback from disc (which, really, I'm not), there really isn't a huge advantage to AnyDVD. But, if you really wanted it, and wanted to wait for a sale (which they have all the time) I wouldn't be _that_ offended by a 2 year license. Two years in this game is _forever._ The studios could stop publishing discs tomorrow, the software company could go out of business (this happened to Slysoft once, which is why they are RedFox now), a new version of the software could just be "bad" (my opinion of what happened to DVDFab... combined with other issues), better software could come out from a competitor, or whatever...
But... MakeMKV for 60 bucks for a forever license is such a better deal that I don't think I can continue to recommend AnyDVD to anyone unless they just HAD to have easy direct disc playback. I had so many people asking about doing so that I HAD to show how to play discs on unsupported hardware even though I don't recommend that people take that approach.
Anyhow, the easiest way to use MakeMKV to rip is to do that is what I showed in the video. Just File -> Backup. For me, I then need to run those files through ImgBurn to get an ISO of them, but that's really straight forward too. It just takes more time and effort for me to do it that way than it does to use AnyDVD to do it all in one step. FWIW, MakeMKV does make DVD ISOs directly, so, if you have a lot of DVDs to process, then there is literally no disadvantage to MakeMKV for those titles.
Out of curiosity, would the menu matter be resolved/would the ISO even be readable if I used PowerDVD? I just genuinely enjoy it more than VLC, but I’m open to going to open source options if I have no choice.
The menus rely on Java no matter what plays them back, so, that will always be a factor. As far as if PowerDVD will mount an ISO, or MKV (or any other format/container), I don't really know. Signs point to that not being a very good solution, but all of the information I'm finding is over a decade old.
I will also add that VLC isn't the only player out there. I'm currently focusing on it because of its AI integration with certain nvidia chipsets. That will be the topic of a future video.
The way thinga are going everything will be streamed and people will be intercepting those streams and recording them lol. There are shows you can get hi-def if you know where to look before they are even out on bluray lol.
You may enjoy browsing the software selections displayed during the Redfox portion of this video. 😂
For that matter, any competent capture card will do it too. It's just slightly more work and considerably more money.
What about dvd fab? Don't they remove the encryption "legally" and make it so all your movies are ripped and able to be used?
The DVDFab business model is too vague for me to be able to recommend their software and I've had poor customer service experiences with them in the past.
I can't speak to the legality of any of it. The laws are different everywhere.
The last version of Java that supports Blu-Ray discs are outdated, yes. Java itself is still supported.
You nailed it and the 4k disc sales have bombed compared to DVD or bluray. Maybe we need to boycott to get their attention.
Ehhh... I think a boycott is what they're hoping for at this point. I say you should collect what you want now, because tomorrow it will be gone. 😔
Boycotts will kill physical media, and we need it more then ever
They think poor sales are due to streaming and not all the crap they have shitted out for "copy protection".
@@mattisandersson9661 I personally think it's mostly because of streaming. The youth market is always who drives entertainment and many of them have now grown up in a world without physical media and probably even less desire to play it back on a large centralized screen that is chained to one room. It seems they prefer to stream to their phones or tablets.
Hello, Thanks for your video! 2 questions: I recently bought the LG portable UHD blu ray/dvd player(and the Matrix 4k UHD disk) The player plays all my dvd/blu rays, but to my dismay doesn't play the 4k UHD disk, I get that SGX error(playing with the PowerDvd)...even though I have an AMD chip in my laptop...sigh! So if I buy the anyDVD and rip the Matrix UHD to an iso, I should be able to watch it on VLC on my laptop?
question2: I've recently bought on amazon, 2 movies that are 4k UHD(not the physical disk but streamed), but when I play them(with amazon app) the quality isn't good, the blacks are grainy and it has that discolored effect, kind of like watching shows on Netflix. I know can watch 4k videos, I watch them all the time on RUclips. Do you know what is going on? Am I wasting money buying digital streamed 4k UHD movies via Amazon? I'm not sure what to do?
Thanks in advance!
Thanks, and thanks for watching! 👍
1 - Correct... AMD chips never have supported SGX, so you will need to go through the steps required to unlock your drive via a firmware flash (if possible depending on your model...) and then you can watch or rip your discs with the software of your choosing.
2 - That sounds like Amazon applying compression to their streams. My opinion is that anyone who buys anything that is digital only, without an assurance of quality or a local copy to download, is wasting their money. That's the majority of the reason why I prefer physical media. That said, I do have a few Blu-rays that also have the type of compression artifacts you're talking about, but it's pretty rare. I can't think of any UHD 4K discs that do.
@@TheBrokenTech Hey so I downloaded anydvd and tried to rip the 4k uhd and it didn't work :( I get this error message:
Media is AACS protected!
AACS MKB version 61
UHD Blu-ray disc.
Drive supports bus encryption!
Disc wants bus encryption!
couldn't retrieve AGID (bus encryption)!
ERROR processing Blu-ray disc!
@1adamantium1 It sounds like you skipped step 1 from my original response. You will need to unlock your drive, by way of a firmware revision, before you'll be able to use it to read 4Ks. I linked a video in the pinned comment that explains how to do it, if your drive is supported. Not every drive is...
@@TheBrokenTech Hey, so I downloaded the SDFtool Flasher and it doesn't recognize my drive(there is no option to select) I get an unhandled exception error when i load the app, I just click continue and the app loads, but no drive can be seen to flash??? I have the drive plugged in to the usb, and it reads dvds, blu rays.
@@TheBrokenTech ok, so I figured it out, for some reason I need to have MakeMKV intalled on my computer, now the disk is readable, and I flashed the drive! Just iso'd my first 4k disc...Thanks!!!!!!!!!
Regardless I recommend using Handbrake and compressing them instead of leaving them MKVs, you can get a benefit of lower space while keeping the quality for the most part anyways, alot of the bonus is the clarity but as long as you have 10bit color you wont see banding. Also MP4 is more widely player friendly.
I leave mine as straight ISO, which is the primary reason I prefer AnyDVD (RIP). No compression, no remux. Then I can mount them as drives and they show up just like a physical disc would and I can play them back with any software I want.
That said... It *is* the more expensive way to go, but it's not that horrible. About 200 4Ks will fit on a 16TB drive and I've been getting refurbished enterprise drives for about $150/ea. There are presently only about 2000 4K titles on the market, so if you bought literally all of them, it would cost about $1500 of HDDs to back them up with no compression. Acceptable, IMO.
@@TheBrokenTech I was going to say most raw MKVs will be 11-40GB, that said for the average of about 550 movies on 16TB. Now that isn't terrible, I noticed what really eats up space is Series either TV or Web, and well Anime tends to chew through GBs.
Honestly I don't like renewed or refurbished drives as I have personally seen most of them die in months to a couple years but if you get a good enough deal and maintain something like a SHR synology Raid I cannot see it being too terrible an issue.
For TV shows and stuff, 1080 is fine with me so the size isn't typically "that" bad. I consider that stuff to be more like candy, where as movies are a main course so I keep the quality up there.
Regarding the drives, part of the magic of having a RUclips channel is I get paid (not a lot... but I appreciate it) to take risks and let you guys know how it works out. I have several refurb drives in rotation right now and one just about to go in for vendor warranty (so far, the vendor has been extremely good). I keep 100% fully redundant backups of everything, so there is no RAID and no complications. 1:1 complete parity across 2 different drives. Even 2 used drives is cheaper than one new one, so, it's a risk worth considering. Plus only one drive of each pair is really getting the hours put on. The other sits on a shelf most days. We'll see how it goes. 😅
@@TheBrokenTech I take it you get the refurbished drives from SeverPartsDeals I think they're called?
In this instance, yes, but I believe there are other vendors as well.
That said... I just completed a very positive warranty experience with SPD.
Question, any settings that would help me fix my issue? I bought the Asus drive as you recommended, installed firmware, java, makemkv and vlc. Playback and menus are all working but for example when i play The Batman, everything plays fine up until say 1 hour and 15 min in as well as anything past that point. It will start to freeze, stutter start to play again, freeze but the sound is playing fine.
I know my system is not top end but if you were saying your laptop 3rd gen intel could play it I figure mine should be fine, i74770k oc'ed to 4.4ghz 16gb of ram and if the gpu if that matters gtx 1080. Any tweaks I should be making in Vlc? I noticed the disk buffer and have played with that but did not stop it from happening. Starship troopers also paused maybe twice, only for a couple of seconds but recovered and played just fine for the rest of the movie. Any ideas? Thankyou.
If everything works fine except for specific places in a movie, I would suspect a dirty, or less than perfect disc... especially if you're talking about 4Ks.
With that said, I don't recommend direct disc playback and don't have much experience with it. I rip mine.
@@TheBrokenTech Ok so have been tinkering, had the output set to open gl because I read it enabled tone mapping for HDR. I played The Batman again and since switched both disc and file buffer sizes to 5000.
Then I turned off hardware acceleration and switched the output mode from open gl to dx11. All the parts so far that had an issue now play smooth. I did not run the whole movie which I will do next to verify but I did play the parts that had issues.
If I recall correctly, only one of those encoder options supports surround sound. I _think_ it's Direct X? If that's important to you, you probably want to double check.
If I had to take a guess, I'd say increasing the buffer is what fixed it. When I previously experimented with that setting I found that the balance between overall performance and steady playback was razor thin. You may have to experiment with it some more.
@@TheBrokenTech I incrementally adjust each option separate so I could find out what made it work. From what I gathered the buffer helped but was not the fix. Turning hardware encoding off and on didn't really do much.
It was when I switched the output render in both video and codec to d11 from open gl that fixed the problem as well as changing the threads from zero to 4, considering I am using a 4 core 4 thread processor.
As for the sound I have everything setup proper HDMI passthrough and advanced settings dialed in, when i played The Batman back my Denon x1800h it was encoding Dolby Atmos as I have set the Denon on auto signal.
Whatever it receives it automatically switches to (I figured doing it that way I would know what signal was actually coming through.) All speakers plus the zone 2 facing up toward the celling were firing on all cylinders.
My memory is too foggy on all of this to be absolutely certain about anything, except I know you can nerf your surround sound with VLC settings and pretty much not know it because Windows itself will continue to shake hands with your decoder as a surround source.
What I'm less certain about is various formats like Dolby Atmos since I haven't made that jump yet. My older equipment simply reports Dolby Digital at all times because that's what Windows is feeding it. More modern equipment may be smarter than that.
I'm also having extremely foggy memories of OpenGL being related to HDR or menus on certain formats or something weird... I should probably set one up again from scratch since I don't remember any of it anymore. 😂
What would the industry be worried about? They have abandoned their customers. No new 4K blu ray players, hardly any new discs.
Are they worried about someone copying old stuff which they don't sell or don't support anymore?
My personal opinion is that "the industry" probably really isn't concerned with it any longer, which is why the tools that enable playback on unsupported systems haven't been chased out of existence. That said, I'm not trying to be the one to poke the bear.
ETA: We are _finally_ getting UHD Blu-ray releases of Aliens, True Lies, and The Abyss! So... New big titles are still trickling in. Every month we get a few more.
@@TheBrokenTech Exactly. Also, if you had the intention of breaking the law by copying a disc, where would you find such a disc in the first place? I don't know anyone who owns 4K discs.
I'd be happy to pay for 4K discs, if only they were available. The remastering of my favourite movies has stopped at 1080p, and whatever is on the market as 4K is either brand new movies, or old blu-rays which have been upscaled but not remastered.
@@jacquesmertens3369 I don't think I edited my original comment in time for you to see the change. New discs are coming out all the time. The 3 Cameron movies I mentioned are all full re-scans and complete updates. In fact, the true film snobs are upset about it because they don't like how Cameron has been color grading them and such.
Depending on where you live, you may have to import them though. 😔
@@TheBrokenTech You also showed the deplorable quality of the discs that are currently being produced. They are more vulnerable than ever before. The manufacturers are shouting 'please, don't buy our products'.
Last but not least: the discs have reached their physical maximum. 8K just doesn't fit. Never will. It's game over.
Is there ever going to be a new physical format again? Crystals maybe, like in the Superman movie?
@@jacquesmertens3369 Oh, I have no doubt that this is the last generation of physical media that we will ever see outside of extreme niche markets. I'm openly advocating the people get the things they want now while they still can.
So AMD processors won't work with this video tutorial Even with the bypass?
MakeMKV works fine with AMD processors, and AnyDVD would have too, but AnyDVD has been discontinued.
@@TheBrokenTech Without AnyDVD, any alternatives?
@@nirvanaeternity I think there are some other ways to do it but it gets so complicated, in a variety of ways, that it's not something I would recommend.
The way hard drive prices are going, the barrier to ripping and storing your collection gets smaller and smaller every day.
The trouble with vlc player for playing back the ripped films you cant add any cover picture to the mkv file i tried with mkvtoolnix gui shame as i would like to add the proper picture to them instead of seeing the orange cone all on my hard drive. You can do this if you use k lite codec but the picture quality doesn't look as good as the vlc player i am guessing vlc has better codec built in to it.
So you want a preview image or cover artwork or something as the default icon for MKV files instead of whatever VLC defaults to?
Also... I'm not sure that VLC includes any codecs. I use the K-lite codec pack behind the scenes with VLC running on top.
Movies sold or rented in VHS had macrovision, they were copy protected.
Not all of them.. and weirdly, I thought I mentioned that?
I don't have 4k bluray or 4k bluray player
But i installed a Blu-ray drive in my laptop (i7 4000) and it works fine, can read bluray with vlc, only had to add codec in vlc folder
Also, i have a base xbox one, plugged to my pc via a usb capture card, works fine for games and Blu-ray 🤷♂️
Blu-ray and UHD 4K Blu-ray are not the same format, despite having similar names. Regular Blu-rays don't require Intel SGX.
Anydvd doesnt have perpetual licenses anymore, would have paid if they did, know of any alternatives to play uhd after flashing my drive?
Yeah... No good thing ever lasts. 😔 I think there are ways of integrating MakeMKV with VLC and getting playback to work that way, but I didn't have any luck with it. Direct playback is so finicky in general that you're better off to just rip your discs and play them back that way.
@@TheBrokenTech yeah i'll take a look into it, if not i'll invest in a portable hardrive and do just that, thanks heaps
Thanks for watching. 👍
4k bluray do they still make those
Yep. 😁
I don't know the fate of 4K Blu-Rays but, I believe you'll always be able to play your 1080P Blu-Rays on a Playstation 3... for a variety of reasons.
PS3 drives are _notorious_ for blu-ray failure. I have a dead laser in a slim right now (a project which may come to the channel). 😂
Anyhow... I love me some PS3, but that would be the last platform I would trust for reliable blu-ray playback into the future.
@@TheBrokenTech I own 3 PS3s. 2 fat ones since day 1 and 1 newer super slim. I personally never had any problems with any of the drives. I've had other issues, but not the drives. Then again, I've never owned the 2nd gen slim. If there are a lot of Playstation Blu-Ray drives failing it's most likely from neglect. More kids own game consoles than anyone and you can see how they are treated when you look on the used market. And the sheer numbers of PS3s out there is gonna give you a higher number of possible failed drives. Anyway, these days I mainly use the PS3 and PS4 for 3D content via either Sony's Playstation 3D LCD monitor or one of the DLP projectors I have. I'm a huge 3D nerd.
@@nonsuch I'm not a Playstationologist or anything, but the blue laser dying in the drive is probably the first well known problem of them that I heard about. I remember hearing about it before the YLOD was a thing and that came on to my radar probably around 2010-ish.
It's interesting you mention the owners of the machines. The failed slim I may repair is actually my Dad's. He's 78 and has never put a game in it. It was purchased as an entertainment unit where it has primarily played MP3s off of a USB drive. My fat 80gb has taken a beating, and as far as I know, the drive is still fine. 🤷♂
I'm still pretty comfortable in the direction I've chosen. As long as I stay in ISO format, I can always mount the image and do anything with it I want to play it back on whatever system is the best in the future... optical drive or not.
I was very disappointed to discover that 3D had been discontinued from modern TVs, and most content, when I went shopping a few years ago. 😢 My PSVR is as far down that trail of nerdom as I've gotten.
I'm an attorney and I must say dam the man!! 😂
Not really just a carpenter
You can still curse "the man". I'll allow it. 😆
I would love to use VLC player but i alwaysssss get it to stutter when playing dvds. I have tried so many settings but nothing works. I have a blu ray drive in my laptop and i tend to stick with potplayer. Maybe vlc is no good with warner bros idk. Its only a bit of stutter too.
DVDs really aren't that demanding on system resources. I wouldn't expect a stutter with any software unless there is some other issue too.
@@TheBrokenTechit's just so odd. I have tried it on different devices I have but still VLC does not work well. And the hardware I have is quite good. At least it's good at ripping.
So you're having consistent DVD playback problems with VLC across different computers? Do your rips also play poorly with VLC?
@@TheBrokenTechyes consistent playback issues with all my computer's. It could be just a Warner Bros thing. The weird thing is all my rips play perfectly fine. It's why I still keep it around. Maybe someone knows of w setting I can change for discs
I don't think there's anything special about WB discs that should be giving you any trouble, especially a DVD.
It was absolutely stupid to nerf UHD playback on PC. It has slowed down my purchases of 4K media.
The good(?) news is that they don't seem to be in any big hurry to produce a lot more of it. Still fewer than 2,000 UHD 4K Blu-ray titles exist and the format has been around for almost a decade.
That said, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I'm trying to get all I can while the getting is good. I expect whatever the next iteration is after 4K disc to be worse in very meaningful ways while I can't imagine it getting much better in any practical way to most viewers.
Is that why i tried to buy power dvd and it just refunded me straight away?.. i wonder
I have no idea, but it's nice they didn't just take your money and run. The last time I looked at their software, you had to read very, very, closely to see that it won't play 4Ks anymore on most systems.
Redfox as you put has folded up shop, gone dark, disappeared from the universe. No explanation anywhere as to what happened.
Yep. I'm still holding a very small amount of hope that they pop up at some point, but.... It's not looking good.
Existing AnyDVD installations are still functional (for now). For those who don't demand direct playback, MakeMKV is still going along just fine.
@@TheBrokenTech Yeah I went through the slysoft shutdown now looks like Red Fox too. Like you I hold a small amount of hope but this long in silence, not much hope.
Given the ridiculous laws all over the world, I can easily imagine scenarios where they are well served to simply evaporate. I can't blame them for that. I blame the industry that put us in this position in the first place.
@@TheBrokenTech Amen!
I noticed that MakeMKV used my Java 17 installation no problem.
I had spotty support at best. I'm not sure any of my 4Ks had menus.
It's a subject I need to revisit.
I do the mkv so that i can eliminate any crap that i don't want, like alternative language audio and subs. Then i reencode the video stream to h265 using nvenc to save space. Lastly, create a new mkv.
I just don't have the patience to mess with that stuff anymore. Put the disc in the drive, click the mouse 3 times, and I'm done. Hard drives are cheap. Let's fill 'em up. 😎
@@TheBrokenTech I do have a decent excuse. I like to load up a portable USB drive that I connect to an Nvidia shield. I take this off grid. For the portability and convenience, I want them on a 2.5 external drive powered only by the shield's USB port. My largest one is only 5gb. So I want a lot of content selection with some pretty tight constraints. Hunting cabin with a group.
But yes, it's a pain😂
@@jdogi1 We all have our constraints and reasons. For me, I'd probably be more willing to cart in a USB dock just the one time and pack in full-size drives after that. 20TB 3.5" drives are sub $300 and will hold ~300 full-size 4K movies. Plus, the efficiency of running the drive straight from a 12v power source, rather than stepping it down to 5v via USB, may actually be more power efficient from your source (presumably 12v batteries charges from something). It would be an interesting study.
But... If I'm honest, I would just pick 20-30 titles and "rough it" for the trip. That's what I normally do when I travel. In fact, I have to load up some holiday favorites soon. _Die Hard, Die Hard 2, etc._
any alternative to AnyDVD?
Rip them.
Why would you compress a file? You want 1:1 copies
Are you just stating agreement with me or did I do something that looked like I was compressing something?
Nah. Ipods /mp3 players are coming back. They're selling for a lot in resale. Especially since phones stopped adding sd card slots
Some of you guys pick the weirdest statements to latch on to in these videos. 😂
That said... nearly any 10 year old $20 phone is a better music player, with a better screen, a better charger, a better UI (especially for file management... no iTunes to fight with), higher capacity, and less weight than an iPod.
I'll take your word for it that they may be popular again for some reason, but I find it hard to believe it would be for practicality. That said, if someone wants to pay me a bunch of money for mine, they're for sale. 😆
iv been told the best way to go if you want a player and burner that will always work every time on any disc. its not cheap or easy to find but well worth it' is to buy a individual standalone blue ray drive supposably copy and play even if copy writers ' not sure if its true' I've seen only a few that were for sell but the price ouch it better work lol
I've never seen a set-top UHD 4K burner. I also wouldn't recommend trying to burn them because the media is astronomically expensive. Waaaay back in the DVD days, I heard similar arguments and they may have had some merit at the time, but I believe that time has passed.
i agree and at a1500 bucks was what price id seen crazy the guy was a high end audio and video collect that told me about it' the thing i found interesting is that their also able to copy game disk and play' from what i was told. if true the price is a little more untannable lol@@TheBrokenTech
@@josephsaucedo8691I'd have to know what specific machine he may have been talking about with you, but I'm not aware of any such machine being able to cover so much ground. Copying game discs has also been a little sketchy, depending on what system. Almost always, it requires a minimum of a firmware update to the game console.
With all of that said, approaching 20 years ago my Dad had a set-top DVD recorder/DVR combo and it was like $900. I don't think it had any capability to copy an actual disc. It could only write from what was stored from its hard drive (which could be input via component inputs).
Good info
Thanks! 👍
And we will all eat bugs and live in tiny houses... sure. I have an extensive cataloged library. I have never streamed a feature film in my life. I do realize the studios may attempt to to take away playback ability, but I am confident that humanity will rise up and deal with that.
I believe the day is coming where we won't see physical releases of features and we will be left with only assorted digital versions. This has already happened with most of the original content being released by Netflix, Amazon, Apple, etc. We see some of them go to the theaters so they can compete for awards and then straight to streaming afterward. I don't think it will be too long before the other studios follow suit.
That said, I don't have anything in particular against streaming. I just like to have options, particularly regarding the massive back catalog of stuff that isn't streamed (my personal collection exceeds Netflix's streaming library when excluding their originals), and I prefer to have control over my own content. That's why I'm hording playback equipment and sharing various options for archival. This human is already rising against the corporate machines. 😂
There's no anydvd HD at all. Could be dvdfab?
I know... They folded up after I made this video. 😔
@@TheBrokenTech DVDfab passkey is possible?
I had a negative experience with their customer support some years ago so I never returned to their software.
Yo just lookin 4 the best/cheapest blu ray/4k drive to watch my movie and TV shows collection
Unfortunately, it's not that easy anymore. As far as hardware, the video in the pinned comment will help you out. This is the software video.
WINCDEmu is a good ISO loader and its open source like VLC.
Does it support Nvidia Super Resolution?
its just a virtual dvd drive iso loader@@TheBrokenTech
Oh, OK. Just so it's clear, VLC is able to mount the ISOs directly. It doesn't require an external loader.
yes you can do it directly through vlc too, but i found that to be flaky especially with the old VideoCD , so i use an WINCDemu but it also take care of data as well so its just a go to.
but thank you for the heads up for the super res for VLC as i known it was coming but after you mentioned it i started digging and found the cookie jar i shall try on my babylon 5@@TheBrokenTech
Super Resolution is pretty incredible. That's, at least, in the top 3 reasons to have a media PC for your home theater.
Ive had success using xreveal and kodi on my pc
The entertainment industry probably wants to kill Blu-Ray anyway in favor of streaming. It's only a matter of time before new movies won't even come out on Blu-Ray any more.
That's my theory as well, but I've seen a few things that have really surprised me... I never in a million years expected Disney to release the various Starwars shows from D+ onto 4K, but they have.
I think time is against us in general, but every now and then there is a ray of hope.
Make mkv has VLC integration which you can use to watch 4k blurays, so you wouldn't need anydvd
It's been awhile, but as I recall... You had to chase after various library files, and keep them updated on your own, that aren't built into MakeMKV. So that system required a constant cat and mouse game of trying to stay ahead of the discs (which AnyDVD does for you). I also couldn't get it work when I tried it.
No matter how anyone decides they want to get there, my overall opinion is still the same: direct playback of discs on a PC is more hassle than its worth, although possible.
@@TheBrokenTech might have been a thing in the past, from watching your videos you do know a lot more than me when it comes to this, though as far as I'm aware unless it's a recently released disc, makemkv updates it's keys automatically, though menus only work with Java, if u want to see how I managed it, I uploaded a 2 min video explaining how to do it from fresh (about 3 years ago, still works) seems to be hit and miss with the people watching. Really like your videos, only stumbled across your channel recently and it's very helpful! I'd be super interested on your take of HTPCs btw as I'm either thinking a Sony TV with android tv or Nvidia shield, unless there's software (other than Kodi) they I can load onto a mini PC/ r58x to work similarly to a smart TV UI with my streaming apps just with less clutter and more support for thinks like PGS Subtitles in Plex (hence Nvidia shield). Keep it up!
@@Pixel_Box First, thanks! I'm glad you're enjoying the videos.
Working only from memory, MakeMKV playback just started to get more complicated than I thought my audience would be interested in when it comes to direct playback. Most people in that camp just want to put a disc in a drive and play it. That's the experience that AnyDVD provides. If someone has more than the minimum level of knowledge or technical capability, then the odds are good that they won't need my help. 😆
My very short take on HTPCs right now is that it's a very good way to go. I have a 4 year old entry level Dell with an i3 in it and an RTX4060 plugged straight in to my TV and it's serving my needs pretty well. I don't stream much, but when I do I just use the web interfaces of those streamers. I haven't experimented with more client/server style applications like Plex yet as I primarily only watch on one screen. That said, as I understand it, you can run a Plex server on just about anything and stream from that server with not much (or anything) more than a Firestick.
For what I'm interested in right now (AI upscaling DVD content) I think Plex would actually hurt me since I don't think it supports nVidia Super Resolution. For me, a Plex client would basically be a companion app next to VLC (which does support Super Resolution) so I'd likely be using a PC as my client anyhow... which means I'd need 2 PCs (one server and the other a client). That day _is_ coming, but I don't know how soon. I do have a couple of videos scheduled along that path though. The next one will probably be about managing and playing a collection on a local PC (plugged into a TV or not) with upscaling.
@@TheBrokenTech to be fair I used Plex on my main system for over 4 years before I built a dedicated server for it, now it has 12 drives a 1050ti a i5-11600 and 16gb of ram with 20tb storage on triple parity, ofcourse using this for home assistant pi hole, sync thing and game servers when I and my friends wanna play anything, my only issue I have with Plex is PGS Subtitles have to be software transcoded and other than using a HTPC/Nvidia shield TVs can't natively play that subtitle format, I want the fancy formatting with text (if there is any) also, HDR tone mapping on PC instead of HDR compatible support. I only use Plex for the content I own on disc (content that's worth owning) and stream everything else I am less bothered about. I'd want to use my current gaming system as it's balls to the walls for the HTPC but I'd want a android tv like experience up until I'd want to use the desktop for steam and other desktop stuff, just nothing currently suits that specific criteria other than just using a smart TV then switching input source 😆. I'm unsure if Plex supports Thier super resolution though nvidias new HDR mapping tech affects it on my client app so I'd assume that the upscaling also works!
You're already pretty far over my head with a lot of that. 😆 The only thing I can really speak to is my general preference for running a PC interface vs. whatever smart TV style apps. I use Logitech K400 keyboard/touchpad combos and pretty much never any Smart TV style apps (none of my screens are internet connected). So... I wouldn't have any clue how to back up into any of that stuff.
I also only just looked in passing, quickly, and found mostly old info, but it doesn't appear that Super Res is supported by Plex. BUT... it appears that it _is_ supported by some browsers/technologies, so it's possible whatever playback hardware you're using is doing it on its own if its nVidia based (a Shield would make sense).
I prefer MPHC to VLC both rock though.
MPHC is one of the options I plan to experiment with.
I switched over once I noticed the colors were washed out on VLC, I don't have a physical drive yet tho does it support the blurays?
Okay, nice... but you didn't prove to us that this will play a commercially available 4K disc by putting one in and showing us.
I'm not going to cut my arm off to prove I'll bleed to death either.
@@TheBrokenTech I wouldn't want you to do that.
Looks like Broken Tech has isn't a Calvin and Hobbes fan.
What gives you that idea?
@@TheBrokenTech Calvin wouldn't piss on a SGX chip, he would vaporize it with a missile or something.
As far as I'm aware, Calvin never actually pissed on anything in the comics. It's a meme, before memes, from the '90s.
I need the code number
What code number?
Nobody don't buy disc's as they use to so ppl will always download movies bc we don't own the digital stuff
Um, what? You realize blu-rays ARE digital, right? It drives me nuts people keep using digital and analog wrong.
Just drop makemkv folder in imgburn and make iso from folder. Simple
I think I said in the video that doing that in AnyDVD prevents me from having to do it as a separate operation..? You absolutely can do it as 2 operations if you want, but I don't want to mess with that. 3 mouse clicks and I'm done.
You have not seen it yet, but I have a ripping tower with 7 drives in it, plus one in the host PC. When you're processing 8 discs at a time, streamlining the process gets to be important.
Anydvd HD is now gone, dead nuked off the face of the Earth. RIP.
Existing installations should continue to work for awhile... I don't think we know what happened to RedFox yet, but... It's probably not temporary at this point. 😔
I thought a Blu-ray drive was a Blu-ray drive. How can a Blu-ray drive play 4k.
I think I answered another of your questions in the comments for the video where I showed how to enable 4K playback on those drives?
Lol @ the knee-slapper about trans people "I identify as a 4K..."
Absolutely hilarious and great job punching down.
Lol @ you assuming I'm doing any particular thing in any particular way, including the assumption that I'm not trans myself. Bigot. 😂
@@TheBrokenTech "I identify as Gotcha!" 😂
"Powered by Java"
Translation: RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!
i like your video but it makes me sad for humanity,
like, why are so many humans in companies, trying to screw over humans in houses that want to see the things these companies made,
considering the fact these humans in these companies, also go home in the evening like the rest of us and want to watch the things like the rest of us,
what are we doing to each other
sorry for getting philosophical about it but you started it
If it makes you feel any better, not all that long ago segments of humanity were conquering entire civilizations just for spices. A largely anonymous group of corporations cheating you out of playing a movie on your computer is a marked improvement in behavior over the last few hundred years. 😂
What a load of total bullshit. I never researched as I hadn't a clue and bought the LG for my pc and a complete Sopranos BlueRay collection. I have been fucking around for hours and gotten nowhere.
Yeah... It's a cluster. Regular Blu-rays aren't quite as bad to deal with as 4Ks, but you still have to jump through hoops.
@@TheBrokenTech I certainly not a newbie by any stretch but I can't even get any software DVD player to play a regular Blu-ray. I followed your guide which is excellent by the way on downgrading the firmware. Curiously, LG version 1.05 would recognize the disc but I just can't get VLC or any other flakey DVD emulators to play it. The file structure shows up but it won't autoplay.
@@Ultra54able Thanks!
VLC is just a video player. It doesn't include the keys to unlock the content on copy protected discs. The furthest I dared to venture down that road was introducing AnyDVD to the audience. Now that they're defunct, you'll have to look into other alternatives to decode the discs.
FWIW, I still think PowerDVD is the only _licensed_ playback software for commercial discs. It won't play 4Ks on unsupported hardware, but it should be fine with 1080 and DVD with any drive that can read them.
I hate the fact that you cant own copies of media anymore. This shit is ridiculous, I just want to OWN the media and be able to play it back with any software of my choice without having to worry about that **their** media software or **their** authentication services will be deprecated in the future.
This whole garbage ass attitude towards consumers has just gotten worse over time. I have to say that I am relatively well off and have no need to pirate stuff, but stuff like this pushes the consumers to do that. Even software now a days its rare to find lifetime purchase options, like photoshop for example. You used to be able to **BUY** the current version of the software for a price. But now a days they want you to subscribe until the end of your days...
Anyways sorry for the rambling but I am just pissed off in general about how digital ownership is no longer a thing, its rent software/media until you die. Just ordered a blu ray drive to be able to backup my collection of media, hopefully everything works out well.
Don't get me started on software subscriptions. I'm with you 100%. That's actually the reason I'm using the editing package that I do and not something more advanced (not that I am such an advanced user)... I can't buy one anymore.
As for media formats, it's been so long that we actually "owned" them that I don't really know a world where we did. Even back in the VHS days there was macrovision on selected titles. For better or worse, we're probably at the end of the physical media road and side industry has come along to at least partially free us from the DRM problems. So... this is probably the last time we'll have this specific issue. It will be virtual DRM we fight going into the future and that will be a much harder battle. Personally... I plan to just let them win. There's plenty of stuff to watch before today to get me entertained for longer than I'll live to watch it. 😂
@@TheBrokenTech I agree 100% with you, once this ship has sailed with owning physical media I dont think we will be able to truly **legally** own digital media again. Thats another battle for others to take up as you said. Peculiar situation we are in though, most of the new movies/tv-series are shit while most of the good movies/tv-series are on disc and prices for blu rays and dvds will continue to plummet.
@@xtexasredx6051 It really is difficult to predict what the future will hold and what content people will want. I would have never guessed that a format like TikTok or "Shorts" would ever be popular, but, here we are. It could be that television and movies are completely made obsolete in favor of trillions of 30 second tidbits random sewn together.
We may actually be lucking out and enjoying the peak of entertainment right now. 😂
I use Handbrake to convert mine after Makemkv has ripped it
Yep. Many people do. 👍
This is just not relevant in the world of peer to peer.
It appears that thousands of people disagree with you.
@@TheBrokenTechcorrect answers aren't derived from consensus.
😂
Well we moved on from .mp3 to .flac even Apple had to bow to .flac. I do not know if it is better than .alac but it is far more widespread of course.
I plan to re-rip my collection as straight .wav or possibly even just copy it as CDA. Those two options seem to be the most compatible and "lossless". Since storage space is essentially free as it relates to audio files, there's really no reason for any compression anymore.
Who is we? A tiny niche of audio enthusiasts? Apple didn't "bow" to FLAC. ALAC was developed by Apple separately from FLAC.
Apple doesn't support FLAC.
The industry moved on to MQA for lossless streaming.
I don't know how you arrived at "far more widespread" when all iOS devices and Android devices support ALAC natively and Apple doesn't support FLAC.
So, fewer devices support it.
No streaming services support FLAC. Apple Music uses ALAC. Other services use a combination of codecs, none of which are FLAC.
So, far fewer people listen to FLAC.
You can buy FLAC tracks, for the 0.001% of people who do that, I suppose.
@@jefferyG499MQA isn't lossless, MQA is bankrupt and Qobuz uses flacs
FLAC is completely loseless. How can anything else be "better" (unless it's also loseless and compresses more)?