Reading some of the comments, I didn't realize how many people like this version lol Admittedly though, your reasons seem fairly grounded. It's nice to have a decent conversation about these things.
this game was released on ps2 and ps1 yes on ps1 it sucks great but on ps2 it is completely improved and on ps3 with the backward compatibility of the game from ps2 or digitally it looks really good above all and the most accurate version because all the other versions only equal!
the dubbing for a 2000 game is still good and gives a voice from a safe person to raymna counting that rayman 2 is very different from 3, in 3 the graphics change and on all platforms the game is the same with rayman having skins very good voiceovers in many languages and absurd graphics for a game released 3 years later especially after remastering in 2012
This game actually looks REALLY good on Duckstation when upscaled with the wide-screen hack, and the texture warping fixed. With all that said, it's really telling of a game's quality when the "worst version" is still an incredibly solid and legit way to play the game
@@ExtremeWreck Yep that's one of the 2 versions I would never touch in my life, the best versions are the Sega Dreamcast version and the PS2 version while the worst versions in my opinion are the Nintendo DS and the Game Boy Color Versions. the PS1 version is still good on its own even though entire levels were either trimmed down or completely cut out entirely. and yes, the PS1 version is quite shorter than the other versions, because you could exactly see that about 40% of the game was missing on the PlayStation 1 version due to Ubisoft Shanghai utilized full voice acting.
No its not. I always hated version different games. If it's not the same game then it shouldn't be sold as such. Like all those game boy ports absolutely sucked compared to the originals. They all should have been called something else. Raymond 2 is the game. Every console that can support the full game can sell it as rayman 2. On the game boy it should have been called Rayman and the pirates story. On ps1 something like Raymans 2nd story. And the fact that there's parts missing could have been justified by the story being told by one of those blue things to another. Or the daddy one to his kids or something. So missing chapters are just the guy forgetting bits as he retells it. You can't sell 10 different things called Rayman2. Then Rayman2 becomes meaningless. A game should be the game. The title is what it is. The title is the game. If you're selling some cheap knock off but it has the same name then the name is meaningless and so the game is meaningless too. It detracts from the legacy. I've always hated that. Nintendo had 64 I'm fucking every N64 game, they couldn't have called it Rayman GB? I remember playing croc 2 on Gameboy. It doesn't even have the same story missions and level layout. How in the fuck is it the same game?
The ps1 had the best final boss in my opinion, it was more badass and direct and you saw that Razorbeard shooting at you and doing whatever it takes to kill you in the endless tunnel, he didn't care whatever could hit him or take him out he just wants Rayman dead, meanwhile in the other versions he just hangs on pipes like some dork while Rayman must gather power to beat Razorbeard which felt annoying and unsatisfying.
I don’t really like the PS1 version but that’s something I have to respect, the final battle the final boss going out like a Savage warrior, rather than devs making it easier for players.
Thanks for this trip down memory lane! I played the PsOne version before the PC version, but I never realized such a difference in quality when I was younger. In fact, since I didn't have a frame of reference, I thought the voice acting was top-notch and that the gibberish was just weird.
I'm ashamed to say that I have a nostalgia for the PlayStation version. I grew a bond to Rayman via the worst version. Guess that says so much about me
PlayStation version is the best version because the levels are shorter and more dynamic. Now I'm playing the 3ds version and this amount of levels seems redundant. Also, the dialogues are not voiced - I hate games with a bunch of text and no voice acting
2:05 It's because the PS1 lacks a Z-buffer which means textures have a much harder time warping around uneven surfaces since there is no data for that. On the N64 the system can calculate those textures and warp them as needed but the PS1 can't do that. So textures just pop in when needed far more abruptly. This technical limitation was something that could be designed around. But Rayman 2 was designed for N64 so of course isn't ideal on Playstation. Another major problem is that the PS1 has less than half the horsepower of the N64 when it comes to 3D rendering so many of the most demanding sections had to be removed.
Given how much better the PS1 sold, and obviously having the benefits of the CD as its game format, so more storage space and CD-quality audio, it's interesting to think that there were some things the N64 did a lot better. It's interesting that that extra storage space didn't help when porting Rayman 2, because the PS1 apparently couldn't run all of the game's areas to the same degree as even the N64.
The weird thing is, I find Revolution to be the worst one. While it has some nice additions, the hub worlds take away some of the atmosphere the Hall of Doors added and it feels rather time wasting as a whole. There's far more enemy combat which drags on quite long, and the whole upgrade system makes using lums extra annoying for some time. The pacing as a whole suffers a lot, and locking health upgrades behind mini-games was a baffling decision. Why are the enemies using the PC AI and not the updated PS1 AI when they decided to add more combat scenarios? The PS1 version lacks parts of some levels, yet interestingly added its own level sections here and there that work surprisingly well. Rayman even seems to control somewhat faster in some regards and the final boss is an actual fight instead of a weird flying section. Putting all of the chase level sections into a one big whole honestly works way better than having the sudden break between those chase sections like in Revolution. That sudden pause is so jarring. So all in all I can't say the PS1 version is bad. It lacks a lot of stuff, but the changes it does are kinda good. Except the voice acting, it only works as a joke.
Honestly for me it's DC>3DS>PS2>PC>N64>PS1>DS. PS2 has the most content, but a lot of it is boring padding, and it isn't as stable, nor does it look as good as the Dreamcast version. The camera angle choices in some areas is a bit jarring too. The 3DS version is a port of the Dreamcast version with very minor issues. The PC version essentially is the N64 version but with better audio (getting the PC version whilst on holiday in '01 is actually how I first played it). The DS version is a buggy port of the N64 version with a D-Pad to control. The PS1 version is enjoyable for what it is. Also I did enjoy the GBC version, though it is a completely different game being a 2D platformer. Also felt a bit more lazy compared to the original Rayman on GBC - it didn't improve enough. There isn't really a bad way to play this game, other than the DS version. Half the versions feel unnecessary because of a lack of changes. The PS2 version is different enough. The Dreamcast is a better 3DS version. The PC is a better N64/DS version. The PS1 is a more compact experience that trims a lot off. The GBC is a completely different interpretation.
I'd personally put the 3ds version way lower (probably right above PS1) because of its overall glitchiness, especially the 1000th lum room that is filled with them (included a crash at the level transition). Otherwise I completely agree.
Yep. The Sega Dreamcast port is the best version of Rayman 2. The PlayStation version is actually good despite the fact that they cut out Baby Globox and Spyglass Pirate bonus race and other mini games, the PlayStation version also cuts down chunks and chunks of levels.
True lol I've done some thinking since I posted this video and tbh I'm pretty happy this version of the game exists. If I had to choose, I'd probably choose the other ones but the beauty is that I don't have to choose lol
@@GoodSmile3 No auto saving, unnecessary excess like the hub world, taking away moves you had before and putting a paywall behind them, can't spam fist shots.
@@virgogaming6488 For real, the hub world is a mess and the paywall thing just makes early combat more tedious. PC version is still my favorite, it keeps the original feel of the N64 version, but with better audio and resolution.
to me, The DS and iOS versions are ok at best. My favorites are The Sony PlayStation version (I really like the dubbing that is good, that was the version I loved for an extremely long time, although it Cut out not only the Baby Globox and Spyglass Pirate racing minigame, it also cut out a good chunk of levels), The Nintendo 3DS version (best portable way to experience Rayman 2, if I ever wanted to play Rayman 2 on the go), and The Sega Dreamcast version (like most people said about that port, the Dreamcast Version is definitive way to experience the game, even myself quoted it is the definitive way to experience Rayman 2 if it weren't for The Sony PlayStation port we had growing up). Nice video, PhantomBane!
4:29 I'm glad that one is gone. It makes no sense at all. Why bother going to The Echoing Caves to the Fairy Glade to get the last lums and cages! 4:34 If that has to do with Bonus Stages, they're irritating to play, no battling, just having to press 2 buttons TOO quick to get new powers. I bet in the PlayStation 2 version, you get golden fist, so glad they featured the Magic Well, I'm also glad that one is far away from PlayStation!!
It's a cool idea in concept, having you find a secret entrance to a completely different level and meshing the two together to make this great big interconnected world even more connected. The issue more so lies in the fact that it's only done once to a very minimal effect. Banjo-Tooie did a very similar thing which lead the way to some cool puzzles, but also made the whole of that game a lot more confusing than it already was!
Well, i played psx version on psp back in 2011. Remember i was dissapointed by the quality, compared to the pc version, most notably the shaking textures and final battle being a pain in the ass. After years i checked out rayman 2: revolution on ps3, and that version was also very different from pc counterpart. Today i found it very refreshing comparing two different games that share the same title. But still the pc version is considered my best.
I was once vehemently called a "fucking Sega fag" by a Playstation nut, for saying the Dreamcast version might be the best of all. I'm now more frustrated by that piece of memory than ever. Thanks.
TBH I don't really feel like I'm missing out playing this version. It's pretty incredible as far as PS1 games are concerned. It holds up incredibly well.
The italian voice acting is not the worst on psx, and I honestly like this version of the final boss way more than the default one. I kinda dig this version, glad somebody covered it
But in this version they speak English, I don't need to read the subtitles. I don't speak Japanese or whatever language it is they speak in the other versions.
I also realized something when watching someone else; there are still the Lum Restrictions to advance further in the game, but on PS1, the first door is right after the second level, and the first is just a tutorial where you're bound to have everything anyway, so if you did not picked up enough Lums in the Fairy Glade, then you're forced to redo that same level! They force you to redo something you've just finished! At least on the PC Version, that first Lum Restriction was at the Sanctuary of Water and Ice, so you had done the Bayou by then and you even have the bonus Walk of Life, so you'd have a bit more options to reexplore if you had prefered one over the other. This neither is game-breaking perse, it remains serviceable, but it's a Game Design choice that just baffles me, they didn't thought that through.
What makes me the angriest is the level modifications. Like, what, did they run out of disc space? After all, the N64 version would 128 MB as most and PS1 version would have a mere *500 MB* to work with.
It was more about making the levels work with the hardware they had to work with. Anything that needed excessive modifications was probably unrealistic to achieve given the time frame and thus got cut out in general.
I'm glad we didn't get Rayman's model from that trailer in the game. I think he's well due for a minor redesign when it comes to 3D. One that harkens back to his looks in both 2 and 3
If I'm not mistaken, RUclips will let you publish a video before it's done processing, so for the first few minutes of its release, only the lower quality versions are available. 1080/60 is available by now, for instance!
Someone correct me if wrong, but ps1 Rayman 2 has an actual proper boss fight that the PS2 version is missing against Axel?? Weird that was cut in the PS2 version
It's not the worst version, it has the highest quality music on the soundtrack and has very nice voice acting. It might not have the fullness of the original PC/N64 and Dreamcast release but it is unique and has it's charm! It's not a bad port it's just different.
I do appreciate the differences to a degree, it makes it interesting if you already have another version. I just prefer the fullness in the long run. And I didn't care too much for the voice acting lol it wasn't Shenmu levels of awkward but it didn't do it for me. Although, now that you mention it, the worst port might be the 3DS version. When I last played that version, it was very dysfunctional.
@@PhantomBane I agree with you I also prefer the full version but I guess I also like the unique nature of the PS1. Yeah the 3DS is worse in many ways that one was a glitchy mess.
@@panthekirb7561 well it’s subjective xd some like it and some don’t. I prefer Raymanian though and the PC/N64/DC versions but some things about the PSX version is interesting
So nice job on the video. I enjoyed it. However, I do have to disagree with saying this is the worst version. To be honest, this is my favorite version of the game, in my opinion. Normally I would agree that the version of a game with more content is better. But in the case of Rayman 2, almost everything that is included in the not PS1 versions are not fun to me. Most of them are long and drawn out or needlessly frustrating. The mini game at the end of a level for getting everything is not at all fun. The PS1 version keeps things mostly straight and to the point, with a couple of exceptions here and there. Also the sound glitch, I've only experienced when playing the digital copy on PS3, so that might be the case of emulation on it. The Spyro games had problems with lag on PS3.
I guess I can understand the more efficient pacing. I do think this is a legit way to play the game, even if it is my least favourite version. Despite being the "worst" version, it's still a great game and it's admittedly cool to be able to play a slightly different version of the game.
@@PhantomBane Yeah, I did play the N64 version and then on PS1 right after, and it did feel almost like a different game. One thing that might've changed my mind about the other versions is if those parts I didn't like were separate levels, maybe set as bonus levels. I don't know if I would really like them then still, but that would've really helped.
Your c omment reminds of how much I disagree with people who never watch the anime/TV show/movie because the books/manga were "better". I often find that the source material is worse and the stuff that was cut out feels sloppy. And with weekly manga, I have a hard time imagining perfection because the writing is so rushed. Anime often feels more polished and better when they decide to change the plot and movies often create a different mood from a book that makes it at least worthwhile to try both.
@@sigurdtheblueDepends on the anime. For example, Yu Yu hakusho doesn't feel rushed or incomplete despite the fact that it doesn't have fillers. I find fillers in anime like Bleach and Naruto Shippuden to be completely boring, irrelevant and ridicously that don't affect how I feel about the characters and the world they live in. Sometimes it just ruins the mysticism in the show for me As for the books, some of the movies can sometimes feel rushed compared to the book version, like the lord of the rings books. I love the first movies and think its one of the greatest film adaption ever made of a book but the books feels more deeper, bigger and longer than the movies.
Haven't watched the whole thing yet but... Man the PS1 version is the only one I've played and I have amazing memories of this game. Its OST is my favorite of them all. Guess I have to play some other version now.
It's worth noting that I still believe the PS1 version is worth playing just because of how different it is from the other versions, although I do believe it to be generally inferior.
1:28 - Ha-ha... can't believe i'm hearing that from someone else at last. (the first machine is notorious for the power supply eventually cooking the cd drive unit by the way)
I actually only played this version as a kid, I never knew that the version differ so much. I'll try the PC Version later, it's been a long time since I played a Rayman game.
If you play the PC version, there's a mod called ray2fix that adds support for xinput and modern resolutions as well as windowed mode. I've been playing the GOG version with it and it's a decent experience. One problem is that controls are very different from the PS1 version and aren't remappable
"That part where you enter the fairy glades or the echoing caves to get the last cage" Color me impressed. How many times did it take you to get that right?
My favourite is the PS2 version, but it's annoying it lacks a lot of the dialogue the PS1 version strangely had, i.e. the dialogue with the bosses and I think Clark at the end of Menhir Hills. It gave the characters a bit more, well, character. The PS1 version is the only one that has these lines, I think?
glad to hear no one shitting on the ps2 version for once. Grew up with the ps2 version and was excited when I found the game on ps3 store... and then was highly dissapointed. Luckely I got me a ps2 and the rayman collection again so i can enjoy the supperior versions (including rayman 3, for some reason the version ps3 has all unlockable extras removed and I think the cool intro as well)
@@unabletothinkofagoodname.6521 got all 1000 lumps on the 3DS. You have to cheese it a bit with the glitched skull cave where you rescue Clark, but the game does save you obtaining the lum. Solid port but Revolution is best version out of all of them
I first played it on Dreamcast, then my friend got it on PS1. I remember telling him this is rubbish compared to the Dreamcast version when we played through it leading to a big argument. The PS1 version came out long after the DC version, so he was absolutely adamant it must have been the better version of the game. There is also this collectivist idea that happened where I'm from where everyone buys the same things as each other, and whatever most people own is the best thing and everything else is just a cheap copy. Yeah... People were classing the Dreamcast as a cheap copy of the Playstation 1... I just remember being like "fuuuuuuck! The graphics look horrible compared to my DC version!" And he was like "FUCK YOU! You are just remembering it wrong!" Then it got to that bit in the Fairy Glade where the pirate throws flaming barrels at you and that bit to the left that normally would lead to another area wasn't there and I was like OK I'm done with this crap.
the sound issue where certain sounds repeat also happens when you play the game on ePSXe on pc lol ironic I sought out this video for nostalgia after playing an iso of my ps1 disc an hour or so ago (first time In ages, once I got revolution back in the day, I was hooked onto that version lol and noticed the issue lol odd, I guess its an issue that happens when emulating the game.
I have to agree that aside from the Game Boy Color version, the PlayStation version is probably the worst. After rewatching footage of the game in this video, I can honestly say that I am SO glad that I grew up with the Nintendo 64 version.
That was due to the PlayStation 1's limitations and sound files taking up space on the disc. That is the reason why The PS1 Version of Rayman 2: The Great Escape got level areas and entire levels missing completely .
I always thought I played Rayman 2 but it was Rayman 1. Sad, I would have appreciated Rayman much more if I had this. But at least I can pick a better version if I ever decide to try it.
I recently bought it for PC for the nostalgia. Only ever played it on PS1. I thought i got a bootleg or something because the lack of voice acting and things being so different LOL
PlayStation version is the best version because the levels are shorter and more dynamic. Now I'm playing the 3ds version and this amount of levels seems redundant. Also, the dialogues are not voiced - I hate games with a bunch of text and no voice acting
well something i hate in other consoles with cd is no dubbing making i angry the pc, dreamcast, ps2 to rayman revolution can do this(i mean i don't find the speak on the usa version of the revolution)
I played the PS1 version first as a young kid so any other version of this game without voice acting feels just a bit _wrong_ to me. Even Rayman Revolution, as much as I love it, doesn't quite hit the same.
Just out of curiosity I played R2;GE on both PC and 3DS, and can't say there were any significant differences at all. So I was a little confused when you said the 3DS version was next in line as most broken
They might've patched it since I played it last, but I bought it on launch date and there were all kinds of weird bugs like sprites that were cut in half and polygons that would stick out and stretch into eternity, and (spoiler alert) the trampoline to get the secret 1,000th lum didn't work at all. Perhaps they fixed all those issues, but that's how it was for me.
@@PhantomBane strange, I've also got the game preordered even, as R2 was one of the few games I've genuinely loved throughout my childhood. No I can't guarantee I wasn't biased enough to ignore the glitches, but I honestly can't remember any point that felt different from the pc version. I do know that the 3d aspect itself sucked because you had to keep the screen still at a perfect angle which just.. doesn't worry
It's pretty hilarious that you donw right name a worse version of the game at the end of the video. I guess you needed a catchy hook for people to give it a shot.
I looked up Patrick Warburton (the va for Kronk) and he does not have Rayman 2 listed under hist credits, so I imagine the answer is no. That would've been cool tho
3ds version is perfectly fine. It’s a neat direct port of the Dreamcast game (save the bonus mini games) In terms of visual glitches: the worst you’ll see is some skyboxes rotating with the camera perspective which looks a little weird Worst in terms of gameplay glitches is that there is 1 inaccessible lum due to a material error in one of the levels. That is to say the intended method of collecting it doesn’t work. There’s a pretty easy way to get up high enough to grab it regardless and still get 100% a very serviceable version of the game
I actually bought it recently and I'm quite enjoying it. Though there may be a few bugs the performance is usually quite stellar considering how odd a port it is! One thing I must say about it is to do with the boxart. The American BA looks goofy to me in the sense that it's trying to recreate the original, but with a pissed version of Rayman, eyes bugging out of his head. I quite like the face on European/Oceanic covers instead.
@@jettvalen7326 some levels can drop the frame rate a bit, but if you’re playing on a new 3ds, enable Lcache and the new 3ds clock speed for an incredibly stable framerate
Unpopular opinion but I like some of the changes in this version..... In the end though, the Dreamcast version is just so much more polished, it's hard to ignore
While I agree that this is a bad version, it's not the worst. The DS port (while impressive) is just Rayman 2 and nothing else. It has a worse FPS than the PS1 port. I love the ps1 and DS ports though because that style of graphics are great in my opinion. I feel like the DS port would of been better if it had atleast multi-player.
Not sure why people always mention Rayman 2 GBC like it's even comparable to the others, since it's not a port and is a totally different game for the most part.
sound files bloating up space on the disk and the voice acting is the reason why the PS1 version of Rayman 2 removed a good chunk of levels. as the final result, they took away the Sanctuary of Water and Ice and Top of The World entirely from the PlayStation version.
Rayman 2 on N. 64 is wayyyyy better than on PlayStation. I did grow up with both game stations and I love both of them dearly, but PlayStation in this regard of Rayman 2, could’ve been done LOTS BETTER. It doesn’t even have Rayman with his different, native language. I’ve always hated how his dubbed English voice SOUNDS.
This is the video that introduced me to your content Whats cool about PSX rayman is that its not just a downgrade, its has tons of new content, its way more worthwhile than the n64 port in the current year
At first I thought you was saying that it was a bad version of a bad game and I was like, "idk, I think it's pretty good" and then I realized that I'm an idiot and this is just about the version itself, not the original game over all. Never played it on ps1 tho. But that's just a theory. A game theory.... Wait, it's actually fact and I keep forgetting im not the game theory guy... Sorry, disregard this nonsense.
Reading some of the comments, I didn't realize how many people like this version lol
Admittedly though, your reasons seem fairly grounded. It's nice to have a decent conversation about these things.
this game was released on ps2 and ps1 yes on ps1 it sucks great but on ps2 it is completely improved and on ps3 with the backward compatibility of the game from ps2 or digitally it looks really good above all and the most accurate version because all the other versions only equal!
the dubbing for a 2000 game is still good and gives a voice from a safe person to raymna counting that rayman 2 is very different from 3, in 3 the graphics change and on all platforms the game is the same with rayman having skins very good voiceovers in many languages and absurd graphics for a game released 3 years later especially after remastering in 2012
I would take a ps3 just to play it: D
This game actually looks REALLY good on Duckstation when upscaled with the wide-screen hack, and the texture warping fixed.
With all that said, it's really telling of a game's quality when the "worst version" is still an incredibly solid and legit way to play the game
How about the GBC version? Or heck, the time Ubisoft decided to port the GBC version of Rayman 1 to Flash POORLY. Remember THAT!?
@@ExtremeWreck Yep that's one of the 2 versions I would never touch in my life, the best versions are the Sega Dreamcast version and the PS2 version while the worst versions in my opinion are the Nintendo DS and the Game Boy Color Versions. the PS1 version is still good on its own even though entire levels were either trimmed down or completely cut out entirely. and yes, the PS1 version is quite shorter than the other versions, because you could exactly see that about 40% of the game was missing on the PlayStation 1 version due to Ubisoft Shanghai utilized full voice acting.
It's actually pretty cool to have a different version of a game like this
Rainbow Six was my favorite PS1 port. Has no planning phase to speak of, but the gameplay is solid!
No its not. I always hated version different games.
If it's not the same game then it shouldn't be sold as such. Like all those game boy ports absolutely sucked compared to the originals. They all should have been called something else.
Raymond 2 is the game. Every console that can support the full game can sell it as rayman 2. On the game boy it should have been called Rayman and the pirates story. On ps1 something like Raymans 2nd story. And the fact that there's parts missing could have been justified by the story being told by one of those blue things to another. Or the daddy one to his kids or something.
So missing chapters are just the guy forgetting bits as he retells it.
You can't sell 10 different things called Rayman2. Then Rayman2 becomes meaningless.
A game should be the game. The title is what it is. The title is the game. If you're selling some cheap knock off but it has the same name then the name is meaningless and so the game is meaningless too. It detracts from the legacy. I've always hated that.
Nintendo had 64 I'm fucking every N64 game, they couldn't have called it Rayman GB?
I remember playing croc 2 on Gameboy. It doesn't even have the same story missions and level layout. How in the fuck is it the same game?
@@SunshineSuperstar remove ur comment!
@@latewizard301 No way man!
@@SunshineSuperstar joking XD sorry
The ps1 had the best final boss in my opinion, it was more badass and direct and you saw that Razorbeard shooting at you and doing whatever it takes to kill you in the endless tunnel, he didn't care whatever could hit him or take him out he just wants Rayman dead, meanwhile in the other versions he just hangs on pipes like some dork while Rayman must gather power to beat Razorbeard which felt annoying and unsatisfying.
Totally agree. How can you put a final boss into the game that doesn't do anything and you just shoot him like fish in a barrel?
I don’t really like the PS1 version but that’s something I have to respect, the final battle the final boss going out like a Savage warrior, rather than devs making it easier for players.
Yeah
We need another 3D Rayman. 2D Rayman just doesn’t hit the same
I don't get why Ubisoft can't have 2 teams, one making the 3d and the other with the 2d. So greedy and lazy
Thanks for this trip down memory lane! I played the PsOne version before the PC version, but I never realized such a difference in quality when I was younger. In fact, since I didn't have a frame of reference, I thought the voice acting was top-notch and that the gibberish was just weird.
I'm ashamed to say that I have a nostalgia for the PlayStation version. I grew a bond to Rayman via the worst version. Guess that says so much about me
Well, it is still an okay way to play the game. Nothing to be ashamed of there
PlayStation version is the best version because the levels are shorter and more dynamic. Now I'm playing the 3ds version and this amount of levels seems redundant. Also, the dialogues are not voiced - I hate games with a bunch of text and no voice acting
Bro isnt the worst Version the guy in the video have no idea
@@user-te4zh2dz9rexactly
2:05
It's because the PS1 lacks a Z-buffer which means textures have a much harder time warping around uneven surfaces since there is no data for that. On the N64 the system can calculate those textures and warp them as needed but the PS1 can't do that. So textures just pop in when needed far more abruptly.
This technical limitation was something that could be designed around. But Rayman 2 was designed for N64 so of course isn't ideal on Playstation. Another major problem is that the PS1 has less than half the horsepower of the N64 when it comes to 3D rendering so many of the most demanding sections had to be removed.
Given how much better the PS1 sold, and obviously having the benefits of the CD as its game format, so more storage space and CD-quality audio, it's interesting to think that there were some things the N64 did a lot better. It's interesting that that extra storage space didn't help when porting Rayman 2, because the PS1 apparently couldn't run all of the game's areas to the same degree as even the N64.
The weird thing is, I find Revolution to be the worst one. While it has some nice additions, the hub worlds take away some of the atmosphere the Hall of Doors added and it feels rather time wasting as a whole. There's far more enemy combat which drags on quite long, and the whole upgrade system makes using lums extra annoying for some time. The pacing as a whole suffers a lot, and locking health upgrades behind mini-games was a baffling decision. Why are the enemies using the PC AI and not the updated PS1 AI when they decided to add more combat scenarios?
The PS1 version lacks parts of some levels, yet interestingly added its own level sections here and there that work surprisingly well. Rayman even seems to control somewhat faster in some regards and the final boss is an actual fight instead of a weird flying section. Putting all of the chase level sections into a one big whole honestly works way better than having the sudden break between those chase sections like in Revolution. That sudden pause is so jarring. So all in all I can't say the PS1 version is bad. It lacks a lot of stuff, but the changes it does are kinda good. Except the voice acting, it only works as a joke.
Honestly for me it's DC>3DS>PS2>PC>N64>PS1>DS.
PS2 has the most content, but a lot of it is boring padding, and it isn't as stable, nor does it look as good as the Dreamcast version. The camera angle choices in some areas is a bit jarring too.
The 3DS version is a port of the Dreamcast version with very minor issues.
The PC version essentially is the N64 version but with better audio (getting the PC version whilst on holiday in '01 is actually how I first played it).
The DS version is a buggy port of the N64 version with a D-Pad to control.
The PS1 version is enjoyable for what it is.
Also I did enjoy the GBC version, though it is a completely different game being a 2D platformer. Also felt a bit more lazy compared to the original Rayman on GBC - it didn't improve enough.
There isn't really a bad way to play this game, other than the DS version.
Half the versions feel unnecessary because of a lack of changes.
The PS2 version is different enough.
The Dreamcast is a better 3DS version.
The PC is a better N64/DS version.
The PS1 is a more compact experience that trims a lot off.
The GBC is a completely different interpretation.
I'd personally put the 3ds version way lower (probably right above PS1) because of its overall glitchiness, especially the 1000th lum room that is filled with them (included a crash at the level transition). Otherwise I completely agree.
The 3DS version is crap.
4:40 Gotta admit I scratched my head when you said "100 Lums"
This game is much better on the Sega Dreamcast.
Totally agree. But PS2 version not that bad too
Yep. The Sega Dreamcast port is the best version of Rayman 2. The PlayStation version is actually good despite the fact that they cut out Baby Globox and Spyglass Pirate bonus race and other mini games, the PlayStation version also cuts down chunks and chunks of levels.
The different end boss battle makes it unique at least.
True lol
I've done some thinking since I posted this video and tbh I'm pretty happy this version of the game exists. If I had to choose, I'd probably choose the other ones but the beauty is that I don't have to choose lol
The worst versions of Rayman 2 are the DS and Revolution (contrary to some popular belief of it).
@@virgogaming6488 I think the DS version does its work good, like what can you even expect from it. And how is Revolution the worst?
@@GoodSmile3 No auto saving, unnecessary excess like the hub world, taking away moves you had before and putting a paywall behind them, can't spam fist shots.
@@virgogaming6488 For real, the hub world is a mess and the paywall thing just makes early combat more tedious. PC version is still my favorite, it keeps the original feel of the N64 version, but with better audio and resolution.
to me, The DS and iOS versions are ok at best. My favorites are The Sony PlayStation version (I really like the dubbing that is good, that was the version I loved for an extremely long time, although it Cut out not only the Baby Globox and Spyglass Pirate racing minigame, it also cut out a good chunk of levels), The Nintendo 3DS version (best portable way to experience Rayman 2, if I ever wanted to play Rayman 2 on the go), and The Sega Dreamcast version (like most people said about that port, the Dreamcast Version is definitive way to experience the game, even myself quoted it is the definitive way to experience Rayman 2 if it weren't for The Sony PlayStation port we had growing up). Nice video, PhantomBane!
I loved the playstation version and I beat it!
Yeah, Rayman 2 will always be a good game. I just prefer the other versions.
@@PhantomBane okay
ive come back from the future and im gonna say i agree now. dreamcast is my new favorite
I owned the PC version of Rayman 2 as a kid and I think it’s one of the best versions. It’s the same as the N64 game but the music isn’t butchered.
4:29 I'm glad that one is gone. It makes no sense at all. Why bother going to The Echoing Caves to the Fairy Glade to get the last lums and cages!
4:34 If that has to do with Bonus Stages, they're irritating to play, no battling, just having to press 2 buttons TOO quick to get new powers. I bet in the PlayStation 2 version, you get golden fist, so glad they featured the Magic Well, I'm also glad that one is far away from PlayStation!!
It's a cool idea in concept, having you find a secret entrance to a completely different level and meshing the two together to make this great big interconnected world even more connected.
The issue more so lies in the fact that it's only done once to a very minimal effect. Banjo-Tooie did a very similar thing which lead the way to some cool puzzles, but also made the whole of that game a lot more confusing than it already was!
Well, i played psx version on psp back in 2011. Remember i was dissapointed by the quality, compared to the pc version, most notably the shaking textures and final battle being a pain in the ass. After years i checked out rayman 2: revolution on ps3, and that version was also very different from pc counterpart. Today i found it very refreshing comparing two different games that share the same title. But still the pc version is considered my best.
Hey I like the voice acting, nostalgia and child hood memory. Ps2 is also cool.
You deserve way more subscribers than you have. You’re pretty funny and you do good analysis of games.
I think visually it holds pretty good up with the other versions.
thanks that sure clears that issue up, which platform is the best with Rayman. Amazing how you go thru all the platforms with one game, that's great
I was once vehemently called a "fucking Sega fag" by a Playstation nut, for saying the Dreamcast version might be the best of all. I'm now more frustrated by that piece of memory than ever. Thanks.
Least biased playstation fanboy
Do you know you can record 3ds with homebrew?
Odd version though the voice acting sounds pretty good to me
Guy who made this video seems a bit simple in the head to be honest
It isn't great but compared to most PS1 games it's a step above.
TBH I don't really feel like I'm missing out playing this version. It's pretty incredible as far as PS1 games are concerned. It holds up incredibly well.
The voice acting reminds me of the god awful English voice acting (which is on by default) in the Klonoa: Door to Phantomile remake for Wii.
The italian voice acting is not the worst on psx, and I honestly like this version of the final boss way more than the default one. I kinda dig this version, glad somebody covered it
But in this version they speak English, I don't need to read the subtitles. I don't speak Japanese or whatever language it is they speak in the other versions.
I also realized something when watching someone else; there are still the Lum Restrictions to advance further in the game, but on PS1, the first door is right after the second level, and the first is just a tutorial where you're bound to have everything anyway, so if you did not picked up enough Lums in the Fairy Glade, then you're forced to redo that same level! They force you to redo something you've just finished!
At least on the PC Version, that first Lum Restriction was at the Sanctuary of Water and Ice, so you had done the Bayou by then and you even have the bonus Walk of Life, so you'd have a bit more options to reexplore if you had prefered one over the other. This neither is game-breaking perse, it remains serviceable, but it's a Game Design choice that just baffles me, they didn't thought that through.
You have to admit, despite some downgrades is still the most impressive port of the bunch.
What makes me the angriest is the level modifications.
Like, what, did they run out of disc space?
After all, the N64 version would 128 MB as most and PS1 version would have a mere *500 MB* to work with.
It was more about making the levels work with the hardware they had to work with. Anything that needed excessive modifications was probably unrealistic to achieve given the time frame and thus got cut out in general.
It wasnt about the storage space, the extra areas were cut to make the game run better.
This the version I had as a kid and still have to this day
what's crazy ? Is that even 20 years later I want to finish it a third time
Ubisoft making the rayman legends trailer in 3D and making me have hope we’d get rayman 4 for a split second was annoying
They did that? Damnit, Ubisoft.
I'm glad we didn't get Rayman's model from that trailer in the game. I think he's well due for a minor redesign when it comes to 3D.
One that harkens back to his looks in both 2 and 3
Great video, but how come all of your videos in 360p quality? What happened to 1080p? Is RUclips giving your issues?
If I'm not mistaken, RUclips will let you publish a video before it's done processing, so for the first few minutes of its release, only the lower quality versions are available. 1080/60 is available by now, for instance!
Someone correct me if wrong, but ps1 Rayman 2 has an actual proper boss fight that the PS2 version is missing against Axel?? Weird that was cut in the PS2 version
Is the one for ps2 the best version?
The german Voice Actors in Rayman 2 are better than the english ones
It's not the worst version, it has the highest quality music on the soundtrack and has very nice voice acting.
It might not have the fullness of the original PC/N64 and Dreamcast release but it is unique and has it's charm!
It's not a bad port it's just different.
I do appreciate the differences to a degree, it makes it interesting if you already have another version. I just prefer the fullness in the long run. And I didn't care too much for the voice acting lol it wasn't Shenmu levels of awkward but it didn't do it for me.
Although, now that you mention it, the worst port might be the 3DS version. When I last played that version, it was very dysfunctional.
@@PhantomBane I agree with you I also prefer the full version but I guess I also like the unique nature of the PS1.
Yeah the 3DS is worse in many ways that one was a glitchy mess.
True!
""Very nice voice acting"" kek
@@panthekirb7561 well it’s subjective xd some like it and some don’t. I prefer Raymanian though and the PC/N64/DC versions but some things about the PSX version is interesting
Razerbeard kinda sounds like Daffy Duck lmfao
So nice job on the video. I enjoyed it. However, I do have to disagree with saying this is the worst version. To be honest, this is my favorite version of the game, in my opinion. Normally I would agree that the version of a game with more content is better. But in the case of Rayman 2, almost everything that is included in the not PS1 versions are not fun to me. Most of them are long and drawn out or needlessly frustrating. The mini game at the end of a level for getting everything is not at all fun. The PS1 version keeps things mostly straight and to the point, with a couple of exceptions here and there.
Also the sound glitch, I've only experienced when playing the digital copy on PS3, so that might be the case of emulation on it. The Spyro games had problems with lag on PS3.
I guess I can understand the more efficient pacing. I do think this is a legit way to play the game, even if it is my least favourite version. Despite being the "worst" version, it's still a great game and it's admittedly cool to be able to play a slightly different version of the game.
@@PhantomBane Yeah, I did play the N64 version and then on PS1 right after, and it did feel almost like a different game. One thing that might've changed my mind about the other versions is if those parts I didn't like were separate levels, maybe set as bonus levels. I don't know if I would really like them then still, but that would've really helped.
Agree. Also some areas of the game were redone and is like a different experience, without count the Rayman 2 prototype included exclusively.
Your c omment reminds of how much I disagree with people who never watch the anime/TV show/movie because the books/manga were "better". I often find that the source material is worse and the stuff that was cut out feels sloppy. And with weekly manga, I have a hard time imagining perfection because the writing is so rushed. Anime often feels more polished and better when they decide to change the plot and movies often create a different mood from a book that makes it at least worthwhile to try both.
@@sigurdtheblueDepends on the anime. For example, Yu Yu hakusho doesn't feel rushed or incomplete despite the fact that it doesn't have fillers. I find fillers in anime like Bleach and Naruto Shippuden to be completely boring, irrelevant and ridicously that don't affect how I feel about the characters and the world they live in. Sometimes it just ruins the mysticism in the show for me
As for the books, some of the movies can sometimes feel rushed compared to the book version, like the lord of the rings books. I love the first movies and think its one of the greatest film adaption ever made of a book but the books feels more deeper, bigger and longer than the movies.
The final boss in the 3ds release was so boring, I didn't even finish it
What’s the name of the music at the very ending?
In the ps2 version of Rayman 2 it keeps asking you if you want to save when you go to a different area that's really anoyying
This is the Version that my friend and i were playing when growing up
But we never managed to beat it
¿One question is the psx actually based on the beta builds ?
Haven't watched the whole thing yet but... Man the PS1 version is the only one I've played and I have amazing memories of this game. Its OST is my favorite of them all.
Guess I have to play some other version now.
It's worth noting that I still believe the PS1 version is worth playing just because of how different it is from the other versions, although I do believe it to be generally inferior.
1:28 - Ha-ha... can't believe i'm hearing that from someone else at last. (the first machine is notorious for the power supply eventually cooking the cd drive unit by the way)
I actually only played this version as a kid, I never knew that the version differ so much. I'll try the PC Version later, it's been a long time since I played a Rayman game.
If you play the PC version, there's a mod called ray2fix that adds support for xinput and modern resolutions as well as windowed mode. I've been playing the GOG version with it and it's a decent experience. One problem is that controls are very different from the PS1 version and aren't remappable
@@pewp_tickalar yea, I got everything set up already, but thanks for telling me nonetheless!
"That part where you enter the fairy glades or the echoing caves to get the last cage" Color me impressed. How many times did it take you to get that right?
this is how i played first as a kid, thenn revolution on ps2. i dont think i knew the differences
Having only played the PS1 version I feel like I missed out a lot.
Why even bother with this version when the PS2 version came out very shortly after?
My favourite is the PS2 version, but it's annoying it lacks a lot of the dialogue the PS1 version strangely had, i.e. the dialogue with the bosses and I think Clark at the end of Menhir Hills. It gave the characters a bit more, well, character. The PS1 version is the only one that has these lines, I think?
glad to hear no one shitting on the ps2 version for once. Grew up with the ps2 version and was excited when I found the game on ps3 store... and then was highly dissapointed. Luckely I got me a ps2 and the rayman collection again so i can enjoy the supperior versions (including rayman 3, for some reason the version ps3 has all unlockable extras removed and I think the cool intro as well)
imagine having an opinion this wrong
Its definitely not the worst. That DS version was horrendous.
You mean the DS version? Yeah, that was pretty icky, comes with being portable I guess. But at least it had all the levels.
Getting the 1000th Lum on the 3DS version is impossible...
Alongside some other lums too.
@@unabletothinkofagoodname.6521 got all 1000 lumps on the 3DS. You have to cheese it a bit with the glitched skull cave where you rescue Clark, but the game does save you obtaining the lum. Solid port but Revolution is best version out of all of them
I first played it on Dreamcast, then my friend got it on PS1. I remember telling him this is rubbish compared to the Dreamcast version when we played through it leading to a big argument. The PS1 version came out long after the DC version, so he was absolutely adamant it must have been the better version of the game. There is also this collectivist idea that happened where I'm from where everyone buys the same things as each other, and whatever most people own is the best thing and everything else is just a cheap copy. Yeah... People were classing the Dreamcast as a cheap copy of the Playstation 1... I just remember being like "fuuuuuuck! The graphics look horrible compared to my DC version!" And he was like "FUCK YOU! You are just remembering it wrong!"
Then it got to that bit in the Fairy Glade where the pirate throws flaming barrels at you and that bit to the left that normally would lead to another area wasn't there and I was like OK I'm done with this crap.
Far out man. Dreamcast was doomed from the start...
Imagine if that version got the PS1's popularity?
Talk about a paradox of mass proportions!
the sound issue where certain sounds repeat also happens when you play the game on ePSXe on pc lol ironic I sought out this video for nostalgia after playing an iso of my ps1 disc an hour or so ago (first time In ages, once I got revolution back in the day, I was hooked onto that version lol and noticed the issue lol odd, I guess its an issue that happens when emulating the game.
I have to agree that aside from the Game Boy Color version, the PlayStation version is probably the worst.
After rewatching footage of the game in this video, I can honestly say that I am SO glad that I grew up with the Nintendo 64 version.
You say so but N64 version is really downgraded in sound, specially music.
The better versions are the PlayStation 2, Dreamcast and PC
@@danielcastaneda1530 Alas, I did not have any of those systems.
Well, actually, I did get a PS2 later. However, I never played Rayman 2 on it.
I wonder how PS1 version of the the game got level areas and levels missing while the N64 has a storage problem and doesn’t have that.
That was due to the PlayStation 1's limitations and sound files taking up space on the disc. That is the reason why The PS1 Version of Rayman 2: The Great Escape got level areas and entire levels missing completely .
I always thought I played Rayman 2 but it was Rayman 1. Sad, I would have appreciated Rayman much more if I had this. But at least I can pick a better version if I ever decide to try it.
For the best version of Rayman 2, you can get the Sega Dreamcast version
I recently bought it for PC for the nostalgia. Only ever played it on PS1. I thought i got a bootleg or something because the lack of voice acting and things being so different LOL
I finished the 3DS version and didn't have any problems whatsoever
Rayman 2 on the Samsung Fridge.
The best version
I Totally don't get this video. Which are the other versions of the game? Can you show us and compare?
PlayStation version is the best version because the levels are shorter and more dynamic. Now I'm playing the 3ds version and this amount of levels seems redundant. Also, the dialogues are not voiced - I hate games with a bunch of text and no voice acting
well something i hate in other consoles with cd is no dubbing making i angry the pc, dreamcast, ps2 to rayman revolution can do this(i mean i don't find the speak on the usa version of the revolution)
While the rest of those voices are downright terrible, I have to admit that's exactly how I'd imagine Razorbeard sounding.
If the voice actor worked on his delivery a bit more we'd have a perfect Razorbeard!
I mean we gotta give credit man it lets us play a prototype that was ganna be used
I played the PS1 version first as a young kid so any other version of this game without voice acting feels just a bit _wrong_ to me. Even Rayman Revolution, as much as I love it, doesn't quite hit the same.
Razorbeard´s voice reminds me of Frank Weller´s Megatron
6:12 Final Fantasy VII? Resident Evil? Silent Hill? Spyro? HELLOOOOOOOOOO!
3.59 lmao what is that fuckin sound, why is rayman moaning when throwing a punch?
And still had a lot of fun with it
Well it's a ps1 port dont expect it to have 4k and Ray tracing
Thankfully I grew up with the N64 and PC versions! I also played the PS2 version once too!
I won this game and goodies back in the day, i enjoyed it but i didnt know how the others were xD
Just out of curiosity
I played R2;GE on both PC and 3DS, and can't say there were any significant differences at all.
So I was a little confused when you said the 3DS version was next in line as most broken
They might've patched it since I played it last, but I bought it on launch date and there were all kinds of weird bugs like sprites that were cut in half and polygons that would stick out and stretch into eternity, and (spoiler alert) the trampoline to get the secret 1,000th lum didn't work at all. Perhaps they fixed all those issues, but that's how it was for me.
@@PhantomBane strange, I've also got the game preordered even, as R2 was one of the few games I've genuinely loved throughout my childhood.
No I can't guarantee I wasn't biased enough to ignore the glitches, but I honestly can't remember any point that felt different from the pc version.
I do know that the 3d aspect itself sucked because you had to keep the screen still at a perfect angle which just.. doesn't worry
For one thing the hall of teensies was quite different. PC got N64's version whilst 3DS got Dreamcast.
no wonder i always hated rayman 2, i only ever played it on ps1....
I love this version!
I really like the voice acting.
It is also cool that the PS1 could pull off this game so well with so little changed.
It's pretty hilarious that you donw right name a worse version of the game at the end of the video. I guess you needed a catchy hook for people to give it a shot.
Was the voice actor for the guardian the same as Kronk?
I looked up Patrick Warburton (the va for Kronk) and he does not have Rayman 2 listed under hist credits, so I imagine the answer is no. That would've been cool tho
1:25 OG XBOX CONSOLES IN A NUTSHELL
@@Ryan-Bell no I meant the og xbox from 2001
I would say that the DS version is the worst I mean like dpad only? Touchscreen camera? Not for me.
thanks for the video
Actually for me this is the best version
Nice vid, I subscroobed
6:37 It may be due to the PS3 Emulation
3ds version is perfectly fine. It’s a neat direct port of the Dreamcast game (save the bonus mini games)
In terms of visual glitches: the worst you’ll see is some skyboxes rotating with the camera perspective which looks a little weird
Worst in terms of gameplay glitches is that there is 1 inaccessible lum due to a material error in one of the levels.
That is to say the intended method of collecting it doesn’t work. There’s a pretty easy way to get up high enough to grab it regardless and still get 100%
a very serviceable version of the game
I actually bought it recently and I'm quite enjoying it. Though there may be a few bugs the performance is usually quite stellar considering how odd a port it is!
One thing I must say about it is to do with the boxart. The American BA looks goofy to me in the sense that it's trying to recreate the original, but with a pissed version of Rayman, eyes bugging out of his head.
I quite like the face on European/Oceanic covers instead.
@@jettvalen7326 some levels can drop the frame rate a bit, but if you’re playing on a new 3ds, enable Lcache and the new 3ds clock speed for an incredibly stable framerate
I like Rayman 2 and Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc and I played Rayman 2 64 and Rayman 2 Revolution.
Unpopular opinion but I like some of the changes in this version..... In the end though, the Dreamcast version is just so much more polished, it's hard to ignore
Pretty sure 3D is worse
One day, I may follow up this video by looking at the other scuffed versions.
While I agree that this is a bad version, it's not the worst. The DS port (while impressive) is just Rayman 2 and nothing else. It has a worse FPS than the PS1 port. I love the ps1 and DS ports though because that style of graphics are great in my opinion. I feel like the DS port would of been better if it had atleast multi-player.
Not sure why people always mention Rayman 2 GBC like it's even comparable to the others, since it's not a port and is a totally different game for the most part.
If the N64 version can have all the levels, what's the PS1 version's excuse for missing content?
sound files bloating up space on the disk and the voice acting is the reason why the PS1 version of Rayman 2 removed a good chunk of levels. as the final result, they took away the Sanctuary of Water and Ice and Top of The World entirely from the PlayStation version.
Rayman 2 on N. 64 is wayyyyy better than on PlayStation. I did grow up with both game stations and I love both of them dearly, but PlayStation in this regard of Rayman 2, could’ve been done LOTS BETTER. It doesn’t even have Rayman with his different, native language. I’ve always hated how his dubbed English voice SOUNDS.
This is the video that introduced me to your content
Whats cool about PSX rayman is that its not just a downgrade, its has tons of new content, its way more worthwhile than the n64 port in the current year
At first I thought you was saying that it was a bad version of a bad game and I was like, "idk, I think it's pretty good" and then I realized that I'm an idiot and this is just about the version itself, not the original game over all.
Never played it on ps1 tho.
But that's just a theory. A game theory....
Wait, it's actually fact and I keep forgetting im not the game theory guy...
Sorry, disregard this nonsense.