Of course they would make SB broken and then after the hype for the xpac dies down they will nerf it into oblivion, you can almost guarantee it. Haha. Great video as always.
Hey mate, a suggestion for survivability replacement is Hardcore difficulty, could encompass how hard levelling/end game are in hardcore on a given class, love the vids and keep up the great work
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I hate “KEKW” - such a dumbass internet word that has so many bad associations with it, I’d rather listen to ppl saying sigma or skibidi all day to that and other 4chan shit
I think Survivability is a good category, just show how that type of character survives when damage is high with varying degrees of glass cannon or durable Kenmore fridges :)
I really like this idea! But I also still like survivability. I like to know oh man this build hits the hardest in the game but you gotta get good cause you're wet paper lol
In pokemon go we have an advanced stat called TDO (Total Damage Output). It's the total damage a pokemon can theoretically dish-out before fainting. Maybe something like that can be quantified by raxx too. Something like a Risk Factor. It's an important stat for hardcore
after watch a ton of ur d3 tierlist back in the day, thats is the 1st d4 that i watched and i have to say that i found it amazing that u add the historical at the end
Yeah this would be a good one. I’m usually less interested in just speccing into the most OP build and more interested in playing 2-3 different (but still pretty strong) builds throughout the leveling and endgame process with one character.
Hydra is my favorite build in diablo 3, all you do is walk around and plonk down 2 hydras that obliterate everything on screen in seconds. Really sad that hydra is completely worthless in D4 😭
Gonna play spiritborn regardless of where it stands, just cuz it’s shiny and new, not surprised at all it’s 1 since it’s the main selling point of the expansion
@@DanielgunKim Not saying they should. More that they release a new class, crank it to 11, use that to justify changes to other classes for the next year, lump those changes in as 'content', then release another new thing and repeat.
@@DanielgunKim Except for that they're openly liars now, telling us 'power wouldnt be buyable' in D4, then going 'lmao Runewords, OP class, Uber uniques which are much better than base game ones'.
1:14 @Raxxanterax u said u plan on replacing 'Survivability' so might i suggest 'Build Variety' as an alternative? The more build choices a class has makes it more lucrative regardless of whether the player is casual or serious 😊
When I see crazy knee jerk reactions from devs that complete nerf a class into oblivion like i.e Barbarian, I really don't get it but on the other hand it does kind of fit with the juvenile decisions that this dev team make. Blizzard should sack the director imo and get someone who has a clue.
Yeah it sucked in the beginning, buffed in the middle to S4, slides downhill, will probably rise up S8 again. There's probably a graph which can show peaks & valleys of all chars; Tier vs Season
@@magentaurous4025 That's not the point. It's not even my preferred class to play. I'm just highlighting dumb decisions and overeactions by developers when it doesn't have to be like that. The management of D4 ever since it's initial release hasn't been great.
Even if they weren't trying to sell an expansion, it makes sense it would be OP as a lot of balancing comes off data which one doesn't get until large quantities of people play it
Great video. One of the most interesting changes that i havent noticed people mentioned was for minion necromancer a lot of the damage was moved to minion damage rather than being the necro, which was a major complaint for necro scaling, for example ring of mendeln. I was going to play sorc but after seeing that change i went with necro
They definitely won't nerf spirit born for a couple seasons at least, makes no sense, they still need to keep selling the expansion to newcomers always
Or you know, they don't want the troglodytes complaining Blizzard released a shit class. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. People just wanna be mad at shit.
The nerfing in d4 is insane compared to previous titles. They literally JUST buffed frozen orb and winterglass amulet and added a new aspect for lightning spear, and now have quadruple nerfed it for the next season. Why not just balance it into a happy middle ground?
I know Raxx is a god tier player and he's on the Maxroll staff/team, but I don't think LS is as dead as they think it is. Is it anywhere near what it was in S5? No of course not. But it was stupid busted and OP in S5. Don't get me wrong, I played it too and I enjoyed the hell out of it, but it needed to be nerfed. Do I think maybe Blizzard went too far? Yeah, maybe. But I've seen a lot of videos from dedicated Sorc content creators who played it in the early access version that some creators were given and they said it was still strong, but it's just more in line with everything else for Sorc. Obviously we'll see in a couple days if it's still viable, but I know that I'll probably give it a go at some point this season when I get done with Spiritborn.
@@jedirayden they removed the cooldown reduction stat on the winterglass so I think the pure lightning spear build won’t work anymore. It’s just funny because that stat was just added last season and now it’s gone, that’s kind of what I meant. They add something, then immediately reverse it.
"For the sorceress it seems like its every season its always the same build'. Bro, build diversity in D4 depends only on what numbers the devs will buff and which numbers they will nerf next patch, there is no space for any creativity. It feels sooo dry after 5 seasons already. There is not enough skills in D4 and (what might be more important) there's not enough skill interactions.
Like legit, there will ALWAYS be the same build, or two or three same builds, because you literally have 2 or 3 skills to play around :D Unless every cluster gets a few new ones to mix and match and go from 2-3 to like 10 builds per class, it will always be like this. Which will not happen cause the devs themselves confirmed it and the reasoning was that they want to keep the game approachable (i.e. we want to make a dumb game for casuals and dads of 5 kids to enjoy). This game for an ARPG player will always be something you play and don't think, because you're bored out of your mind or waiting for the next PoE league.
because its a shit game to begin with. So many flaws, so little creativity, no proper competetive leaderboards, lackluster type of pvp, no new classes,skills, or worthwhile mechanics, overpriced game that underdelivered and after all this time they want cash for an expansion, at this moment its a matter or ones self worth and intelligence that will decide if one will play d4 or not.
Interactions yes. Skills need to be changed more by lurgendurgs. No more whirlwind get 100 percent damage type stuff. I want, whirlwind now slings goblin teeth around the screen and enemies hit erupt causing earthquakes in immediate area, type stuff
I'm not surprised that Spiritborn is number 1, but I'm dissapointed that it's number 1 by a large margin. Yeah, they want to sell the expansion, but it's going to feel awful when they actually bring it down to earth.
selling the xpack aside, i do think it makes more sense to have the new class be overpowered and get nerfed some than start off being underpowered and getting buffed. makes for a terrible first impression.
Kinda surprised to see Barb in the caboose with the fridge, but Necro has always been my go-to chill build, so it's nice to see that they're still really good for that.
Played Barb in season 5. I really like the way Barb plays. I wanted to pick something else for season 6, and leveled Necro to get a feel for it. Gotta say, Necro us by far my favorite class atm. Love the minion builds.
Just telling someone to play a different class doesn't work if you just really like the class fantasy. There's just something really therapeutic to being a big thick monster of a man (or woman) and just tearing enemies apart.
I never understand why people get all hyped and excited to see other classes nerfed, especially in pve games. The Nerf sword is just like the censorship sword. It swings in all directions, and it's only a matter of time before it swings around and decapitates you. So laughing and saying "Haha cry more barbs" just says more about you as a gamer. And this is coming from a sorc and necro main. We should want everyone to have fun. It isn't some random Barb mains fault that their class was on top as long as it was. It was Blizzard's as well as the overall playerbase's fault.
For the survival category, you could rate the classes based on the ease of acquiring X amount of tankiness/defense or the level of investment it takes to achieve those levels compared to the other classes
Get your Pit 150 and T4 Citadel clears out of the way ASAP on the Spiritborn before they inevitably get gutted into the ground within the first two weeks! Re: Found an unintentional bug that made every Spiritborn skill too good. Adjusted to be more in line with the Barbarian and Refrigerator. edit: Pit was raised to 150, not 200.
@evg3nius All Blizz will say is that some skill is causing server load so they will "fix" the skill while "buffing" it in some other manner (even though the buff will not equalize the nerf, funny that). I'm not a no-lifer so this won't impact me. I'm just saying that this can happen again.
@@ferrite1707 They haven't nerfed anything in the mid season through first 5 seasons. It sounds like you're referring to Lightning Spear situation last season, well the damage didnt get nerfed. Im saying that as Lightning Spear player. If they want to keep the same damage while improving whatever performance it's fine not a big deal.
Although I initially wanted a Paladin, actually looking forward to SB more now. I think Blizzard made a good decision with this one considering how well they made the new class and fits the theme. Perhaps Paladin is coming in the next expansion
I honestly want Blizz to NOT do another paladin for 2 reasons. First, I'm an asshole and I want to see people lose their sh!t. Secondly, I don't trust Blizz to get that particular class right (they already turned Runewords into a generator/spender mechanic so that proves to me that they aren't interested in keeping what made something great as it was). If they make a different class that is a holy sword-and-board, I'm cool with that. Just don't call it a paladin unless it matches up with what a D2 paladin was.
WHEN BRO SAID “KENMORE REFRIGERATOR” I SPIT OUT MY COFFEE. 😂 fucking dead. 💀 This is why Raxx is my favorite D4 content creator. Much love bro, great tier list as always lmaooo
You should definitely add a "Hardcore" category. A big part of the best builds for HC is the survivability, but it also allows you to include other factors.
The placement of Druids are giving me WD flashbacks... Nature peeps always getting gutted. But then the Spiritborn comes and wow! I hope both of these still survive to be fun to play.
Endgame necro is actually in a really good spot (outside of our speed were slow as a car missing 3 wheels). Spiritwave, blood wave and hell even blood surge is insane in endgame. Spiritwave clears extremely quickly in terms of killing but we take ages to walk everywhere. Im still a bit sad that bone spear is basicly dead right now but with some of the new builds im happy still
I've been discussing the expansion, and game as a whole, with my friend group. We played hard on release and we're all planning on playing launch. We've all concluded that the game has gotten insanely easy, and that dying isn't really a thing. Hopefully the new difficulty stuff changes all of that, but it sounds like, with you're removal of survivability, that we were pretty close.
Thankfully I'm looking forward to Spiritborn before seeing that they were going to be so powerful. I'm really excited to play them, and will probably roll 2 or maybe even 3 of them this season to play with different builds. I am surprised that Sorc's are still so high up. Usually my favorite class, but I was really worried the nerfs were going to hurt them a lot. My first love has always been Sorc, and I'll roll one every season no matter how bad it gets, but it's always more fun when they feel good. The start of D4 was not fun, they did not feel good back in those days, so hopefully it doesn't get that bad again. I feel really bad for the Barb's out there.
Excited to play Spiritborn! Love the Centipede concept, so hoping there is an A to S tier endgame build for it. Overall love seeing all the theory crafting. Have seen some amazing speed builds trying to incorporate Eagle/Jag with a dash of Gorilla, or Jag/Eagle with a dash of Centipede. There will obviously be the best meta build, but hoping there a lot of variety that is only a few pit tiers below.
Ofc Barb comes last. I don't really mind Barb is last, I just hate that Barb is just so weaker than all the other classes, like 20 pit ranks below the last 4 classes.
Do highest Pit ranks cleared really matter though? 99% of an ARPG is speedfarming, be it the latter parts of leveling, mat farming, grinding for gear etc. Imo what really matters is how well a class speedfarms, how fun it does so, and how little disparity there is between speedfarm and push setups, so you can do both comfortably. One class has far and wide been worst at that, all the way since launch, and it's not Barb.
@asum7786 it did matter this season, T8 infernal hordes where not easy with barb. And it was the best place to farm mats. And T7 was slow still, which was a requirement to even upgrade your gear. So yeah it's problematic.
I think there are still going to be a few builds that are very good for barb and even the class like Druid so I still think anyone can play what they want and feel strong just maybe not nearly as many choices as spiritborn
companions for druid definitely feel better than they ever had from what i tried on the PTR. I've tried to make them work a few seasons now and they've always just felt underwhelming but i think they'll actually be solid this season. definitely not the best but at least doable.
Raxx, if you go in and try other leveling builds, you should try a pure hydra/Hydra and Familliars build. Season 5, I was blasting through the game for leveling far faster with pure hydras than I was with Chain Lightning or Firewall leveling builds. The Hydra builds were hours faster on my 1-100 runs in S5. Especially if you temper everything to +hydra damage, and grab a staff and get +4 Hydra Heads tempered on it. Everything melts in seconds, and it's strong enough that you could push to WT4 by around level 35 (Probably could have done it sooner, but I always wanted sacred gear before pushing to the next tier.)
@@alantremonti1381 “Our new tier list is now established, everything seems to promise it will be durable; but, in this world, nothing is certain except death and Raxx’s (blue hoodie.”)
Please consider a ranking system different than 1-6. The biggest problem I see with the current system is I can't tell if 1 is WAY out ahead of 2-6, if 1-6 is all clumped together, etc. I might like to try a new class but I likely wouldn't if I thought it would end up way underpowered. You could do the "traditional" SABCDF or assign points or whatever you like... just something that indicates relative power between the classes would be really helpful. Thanks for this video and others... have a good one.
Maxroll will have a best builds tier list that will be a little more comprehensive. It will show what builds shine and where. I find that to be better to go by since you can check out what builds might be good for a class before just playing it and finding out you don’t like the builds.
@@georgen5882 I don't disagree. When I saw this video I immediately checked maxroll but they haven't updated their tier lists for S6 yet. But... if we have to rely on maxroll then why make this content? I like Raxx's content, I'm just making a suggestion to improve it.
Remember the golden rule - play what you want to have the most fun. The way they set up the difficulty levels now - any build in the game will be able to do all of the content. It just might take you longer to get every single mythic item in the game if you play on Torment 1 instead of Torment 4. Don’t let a tier list from any streamer stop you from playing the class you want to play.
Logout and make a spirit born is wilddddd haha but true. This season I'm aiming to make 3-4 spirit born builds and then I'll probs go for rogue new skill
I started a new job last week where I’m guaranteed 6 figures a year, but I’m up at 5:30 to get to work by 8 downtown and home at 6-6:30 and in bed by 9:30-10. I haven’t had any time to even start the new season of expansion and it’s literally making me so sad
Not surprised to see SB on rank 1 - so we have a new Deathknight prob. for this season and for this season only - play it now, it will be nerfed sooner rather than later.
I'm probably waiting 1-2 weeks in to the season before buying VoH, maybe even waiting for a discount. I'm not in a hurry and I'm also having too much fun in LE for a bit more. Hyped to see what turns out OP or not in S6 and looking forward to playing it :D
It feels like blizzard’s Diablo live team uses balance thrashing often due to having the major balance changes not as often. It just feels like the swing the pendulum back and forth with the fervor of a shot putter or something. I hope they can improve this in the future to not make things swing into obscurity or overpoweredness so often
Why my Druid at 5 again 😂 Last season the Stormslide was absolutely killing it. I hope Raxx got this wrong and someone soon find a incredible build for Druid! Thanks Raxx! Your videos is making this weekend very enjoyable. Can’t wait for Monday!!
The gap between StormSlide and Bearslide is highly over exaggerated. They are damn near even in the hands of a capable player, so it's not much of a loss. I just wish they would've pushed a build that is less used to be meta for s6. I would've much more preferred they made Shred wildly powerful since I already spent all of s5 playing StormSlide and Bearslide. I also think way too many bad players gave Necros a bad name in s5. My Blood Surge Necro is only slightly worse than the StormSlide Druid, and it's because it lacks boss damage, even though StormSlide isn't a great bosser either. Bearslide is an excellent bosser but doesn't have the AoE of either StormSlide or Blood Surge.
3:20 No they don't "deserve it." its not like barbarian players can go back to a previous season and play it. The roulette balancing the developers do is incredibly stupid 16:13 I guess they don't "deserve it" here though? Bone Spear, HOTA, Ball Lightning, Lightning Spear, its all gutted. You know its coming.
Could replace Survival with Difficulty. Dealing damage isn't necessarily the hard part, staying alive is. Even if the a class "survives" by nuking the screen, the ease of killing directly translates to odds of survival. Can differentiate this from Casual, which would rate gear/time spent/luck (i.e. outputs of gameplay) vs understanding of/ability to pull of mechanics (i.e. inputs of gameplay)
My prediction, people will jump into spiritborn, love it, kick ass with it, Blizzard will nerf the shit out of it and lots of people will complain. So I hesitate the invest the time into it.
@The89Mike yea, they're going to wait until the season ends. They can't fool most people into giving them more money if they nerfed it before or mid-season.
All these nerfs just really suck. The fact that there are classes that are repeatedly the worst to play means they need to start buffing, not nerfing. I just can't comprehend the thinking behind making something overall worse and less fun to play. Why not make everything else equally as fun to play?
For Barbarian: Remove the goddamn whirlwind entirely from the root of the game. Restrict 1 shout on the action bar. Unless both of those are done Barbarian will NEVER go out of "Get shouts and spam WW" style and gameplay. Every single time it is like that. And every single time "Barb is weak" just fu**n means "Well WW doesnt do enough damage and not fast enough". Also it is the single most boring AF build in almost all RPGs, get rid of them, make Barb a hard hitting bruiser.
There's like a Season 1 Uber drop rate % chance Spiritborn survives the first round of nerfs. We will be talking about the glory days of Season 6 Spiritborn for generations to come. I plan on enjoying every second of it while I can.
Maybe for survival you could do like "ease of survival." Some classes definitely feel like they are squishy only until you get a ton of gear or abilities
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Of course they would make SB broken and then after the hype for the xpac dies down they will nerf it into oblivion, you can almost guarantee it. Haha. Great video as always.
Hey mate, a suggestion for survivability replacement is Hardcore difficulty, could encompass how hard levelling/end game are in hardcore on a given class, love the vids and keep up the great work
@@Winter555p agreed, "hardcore reliability" would be nice
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@@TimSolomon-y1n wtf?
"Best Barb build is to logout and play Spiritborn" 😂😂😂👌
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Ha. they really should put that on maxroll. Maybe for April Fools.
or play Whirlwind and be on the same damage level as spiritborn
thats the most funny thing
What will @Rob2628 say about this?? 😂😂😂
I really don't care if the list ends up 100% or not. For me this video is the ultimate hype video for each season!
Always!
agree !
Will I be able to play the game Monday night at 7 pm on Eastern time?
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@@Moko_27 London is the only one where, a fraction of a second later, is the next day.
The difference between the druid and rogue images is amazing
One is sexy af and then there is the rogue pic
Cute rogue but all the beer is chillin' with the Druid 🍺
Just That pic of druid deserve a like 😂😂
My first thought was that Chicago Bears guy from the 80's 'The Refridgerator'.
@@occy127 Mike Ditka vs the whole Chicago Bulls team. Go Da Bears. lol
That Druid picture KEKW
I have been wishing for an option to play skinny druids since D4 release and now I've just given up all hope and going to spiritborn.
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I hate “KEKW” - such a dumbass internet word that has so many bad associations with it, I’d rather listen to ppl saying sigma or skibidi all day to that and other 4chan shit
@@sloth9210what bad associations you have with kekw?
@@kekplexis nah, just an annoying internet word that I wanna distance from ppl who use it.
You could replace “Survival” with “Build Diversity”.
Yeah that sounds interesting or maybe Hardcore-suitable
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I think Survivability is a good category, just show how that type of character survives when damage is high with varying degrees of glass cannon or durable Kenmore fridges :)
I really like this idea! But I also still like survivability. I like to know oh man this build hits the hardest in the game but you gotta get good cause you're wet paper lol
In pokemon go we have an advanced stat called TDO (Total Damage Output). It's the total damage a pokemon can theoretically dish-out before fainting. Maybe something like that can be quantified by raxx too. Something like a Risk Factor. It's an important stat for hardcore
Conveniently the ranking you had for all of the classes goes in alphabetical order from last to first as well :)
That image of the fridge for Druid was too good 😂
after watch a ton of ur d3 tierlist back in the day, thats is the 1st d4 that i watched and i have to say that i found it amazing that u add the historical at the end
Instead of survivability maybe you can add build variety. Number of viable builds. Few classes only end up with 2 or 3. Others many.
Yeah this would be a good one. I’m usually less interested in just speccing into the most OP build and more interested in playing 2-3 different (but still pretty strong) builds throughout the leveling and endgame process with one character.
Agree on the requests for Sorc, I keep hoping they’ll give burning hydra some love.
I always like hydra and blizzard combo due to both not using lot of mana, but they just doesnt seem to be viable endgame.
Hydra is my favorite build in diablo 3, all you do is walk around and plonk down 2 hydras that obliterate everything on screen in seconds. Really sad that hydra is completely worthless in D4 😭
I’m so tired of sorc at this point. If spirit born and Druid aren’t that good I’ll give up quick
Nah, that makes too much sense...
@@ethan007 I am doing Uber bosses with HawkTua's hydra build. I love to play Hydra and my gear is far from perfect but it runs very good
Gonna play spiritborn regardless of where it stands, just cuz it’s shiny and new, not surprised at all it’s 1 since it’s the main selling point of the expansion
and that's Blizzard's normal move. The dev's couldn't seem to learn from D3 but they certainly learned from WoW.
Looking at it from a business perspective, it would seem foolish to make them weaker or have the same power level as everyone.
@@DanielgunKim Not saying they should. More that they release a new class, crank it to 11, use that to justify changes to other classes for the next year, lump those changes in as 'content', then release another new thing and repeat.
@@DanielgunKim Except for that they're openly liars now, telling us 'power wouldnt be buyable' in D4, then going 'lmao Runewords, OP class, Uber uniques which are much better than base game ones'.
Hi Raxx, it's everyone.
1:14 @Raxxanterax u said u plan on replacing 'Survivability' so might i suggest 'Build Variety' as an alternative? The more build choices a class has makes it more lucrative regardless of whether the player is casual or serious 😊
Blud thinks raxx replies and interacts with his community.
Lol.
When I see crazy knee jerk reactions from devs that complete nerf a class into oblivion like i.e Barbarian, I really don't get it but on the other hand it does kind of fit with the juvenile decisions that this dev team make. Blizzard should sack the director imo and get someone who has a clue.
blizzard has always played on the ego of people
It feels like blizz dev look at d4 through an excel spreadsheet. Its just pruning numbers without care if it is ultimately fun or not
Yeah it sucked in the beginning, buffed in the middle to S4, slides downhill, will probably rise up S8 again. There's probably a graph which can show peaks & valleys of all chars; Tier vs Season
You can literally play another class. Not like they nerf it mid season wtf.
@@magentaurous4025 That's not the point. It's not even my preferred class to play. I'm just highlighting dumb decisions and overeactions by developers when it doesn't have to be like that. The management of D4 ever since it's initial release hasn't been great.
Although I'm still angry we don't get Paladin, the glaive weapons look pretty cool.
Why does everyone want a class that’s already been in every Diablo I’ll never knkw
@@MrFloat777 because it's been in every diablo. We expect it the same way we expect rogue and Barb to be in there lol.
The new class is OP gosh I’m shocked, SHOCKED! Well, not that shocked. 😂
Even if they weren't trying to sell an expansion, it makes sense it would be OP as a lot of balancing comes off data which one doesn't get until large quantities of people play it
It's gonna be plagued with bugged interactions 100%
@@randomhero6365 plagued? I imagine the bugged interactions will lead to great fun for people, even if it's not intentional.
I play pen shot rouge every season. It’s just my favorite and day one I’ll be doing it again lol. Love the list man. Thanks!
As a Pulv Druid, I completely understand. I'm rolling the new class but undoubtedly, my first alt will by Mr Bearington again.
The refrigerator Druid skin is dope ! I need it!!!
Great video. One of the most interesting changes that i havent noticed people mentioned was for minion necromancer a lot of the damage was moved to minion damage rather than being the necro, which was a major complaint for necro scaling, for example ring of mendeln. I was going to play sorc but after seeing that change i went with necro
Skinny Druid looks really fun, I’m afraid they’ll nerf it into the ground after everyone has it leveled up… I’d love for fat Druid to catch up!
I doubt it'll get nerfed until next season. They don't typically nerf during the mid season patch, they usually buff the outliers.
Wdym skinny druids, they still fat as cows
Took a long break, and last night was the first time back in months. This helped a lot. I did go Spirit Born.
They definitely won't nerf spirit born for a couple seasons at least, makes no sense, they still need to keep selling the expansion to newcomers always
if expasion sells they dont nerf him at least will heve a year with this class they even buff him more.
Or you know, they don't want the troglodytes complaining Blizzard released a shit class. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. People just wanna be mad at shit.
Cant wait for the eagle leveling guide!
That new Druid skin is absolute fire 🔥
The nerfing in d4 is insane compared to previous titles. They literally JUST buffed frozen orb and winterglass amulet and added a new aspect for lightning spear, and now have quadruple nerfed it for the next season. Why not just balance it into a happy middle ground?
I know Raxx is a god tier player and he's on the Maxroll staff/team, but I don't think LS is as dead as they think it is. Is it anywhere near what it was in S5? No of course not. But it was stupid busted and OP in S5. Don't get me wrong, I played it too and I enjoyed the hell out of it, but it needed to be nerfed. Do I think maybe Blizzard went too far? Yeah, maybe. But I've seen a lot of videos from dedicated Sorc content creators who played it in the early access version that some creators were given and they said it was still strong, but it's just more in line with everything else for Sorc.
Obviously we'll see in a couple days if it's still viable, but I know that I'll probably give it a go at some point this season when I get done with Spiritborn.
@@jedirayden honestly why do u think it needs to be nerfed? Isnt it better if they bring the other class/builds to be as OP and fun as LS Sorc
@@jedirayden they removed the cooldown reduction stat on the winterglass so I think the pure lightning spear build won’t work anymore. It’s just funny because that stat was just added last season and now it’s gone, that’s kind of what I meant. They add something, then immediately reverse it.
@@jedirayden No, it didn't need to be nerfed. Flash killing everything on screen is fun. The alternative is less fun.
@@youngwang5546 Did they remove it or just make it an implicit so it can't go above 0.3? The wording was unclear
As a 5000+ hrs D3 monk-player i will surely play the hell out of the Spiritborn. Cant wait for it
"For the sorceress it seems like its every season its always the same build'. Bro, build diversity in D4 depends only on what numbers the devs will buff and which numbers they will nerf next patch, there is no space for any creativity. It feels sooo dry after 5 seasons already. There is not enough skills in D4 and (what might be more important) there's not enough skill interactions.
People need to focus on this more. Why can I look at videos from s1 and see majority people running THE SAME SHIT a year+ later in an arpg...
Like legit, there will ALWAYS be the same build, or two or three same builds, because you literally have 2 or 3 skills to play around :D Unless every cluster gets a few new ones to mix and match and go from 2-3 to like 10 builds per class, it will always be like this. Which will not happen cause the devs themselves confirmed it and the reasoning was that they want to keep the game approachable (i.e. we want to make a dumb game for casuals and dads of 5 kids to enjoy). This game for an ARPG player will always be something you play and don't think, because you're bored out of your mind or waiting for the next PoE league.
Thanks you, exact reason i stopped playing
because its a shit game to begin with. So many flaws, so little creativity, no proper competetive leaderboards, lackluster type of pvp, no new classes,skills, or worthwhile mechanics, overpriced game that underdelivered and after all this time they want cash for an expansion, at this moment its a matter or ones self worth and intelligence that will decide if one will play d4 or not.
Interactions yes. Skills need to be changed more by lurgendurgs. No more whirlwind get 100 percent damage type stuff. I want, whirlwind now slings goblin teeth around the screen and enemies hit erupt causing earthquakes in immediate area, type stuff
I'm not surprised that Spiritborn is number 1, but I'm dissapointed that it's number 1 by a large margin. Yeah, they want to sell the expansion, but it's going to feel awful when they actually bring it down to earth.
selling the xpack aside, i do think it makes more sense to have the new class be overpowered and get nerfed some than start off being underpowered and getting buffed. makes for a terrible first impression.
People should know exactly how this will go. Its not that D4 is the only game that does this.
If you know your D3 history, it was like this for crusader and necromancer. They will slide down in later seasons.
What a great idea to make one class way above every other which will result in almost everyone playing one class, lol.
I don't see how making Spirit born the best class is needed to sell the xpack. The xpack already gives you a massive advantage.
Kinda surprised to see Barb in the caboose with the fridge, but Necro has always been my go-to chill build, so it's nice to see that they're still really good for that.
Played Barb in season 5. I really like the way Barb plays. I wanted to pick something else for season 6, and leveled Necro to get a feel for it. Gotta say, Necro us by far my favorite class atm. Love the minion builds.
i have a friend that almost exclusively plays barb and he is in full breakdown mode about the barb nerfs.
Same, he always complains about the barb nerfs every season even if they had stupid broken builds all the time. I say try something new.
Just telling someone to play a different class doesn't work if you just really like the class fantasy.
There's just something really therapeutic to being a big thick monster of a man (or woman) and just tearing enemies apart.
I never understand why people get all hyped and excited to see other classes nerfed, especially in pve games. The Nerf sword is just like the censorship sword. It swings in all directions, and it's only a matter of time before it swings around and decapitates you. So laughing and saying "Haha cry more barbs" just says more about you as a gamer. And this is coming from a sorc and necro main. We should want everyone to have fun. It isn't some random Barb mains fault that their class was on top as long as it was. It was Blizzard's as well as the overall playerbase's fault.
@@izanagiorochi6324 wtf are you talking about, no one said they were happy about nerfs. All we said was that people who only play barb are upset.
@thedanbot85 Clearly, I wasn't talking about you. Just be mad for no reason, I guess.
For the survival category, you could rate the classes based on the ease of acquiring X amount of tankiness/defense or the level of investment it takes to achieve those levels compared to the other classes
I will probably play rogue in the beginning, as always, and then make a spiritborn alt, just to check it out. Cheers, good video.
Those are my exact plans. I also wanted a Barb build to be my 3rd char, but I'll skip Barb this season.
@@SlCKNESS_ by the time you're ready to make a barb, rob will have found a godly build.
Get your Pit 150 and T4 Citadel clears out of the way ASAP on the Spiritborn before they inevitably get gutted into the ground within the first two weeks!
Re: Found an unintentional bug that made every Spiritborn skill too good. Adjusted to be more in line with the Barbarian and Refrigerator.
edit: Pit was raised to 150, not 200.
Don't think there is a pit 200 bro... I thought it was 100 max but maybe I'm wrong.
@@SugarTheAmazing It was raised beyond 100. Just Google any Pit level beyond that.
Its unlikely there will be any nerfs throughout the entire season. Also these tier lists before season starts are 70% wrong most of the time.
@evg3nius All Blizz will say is that some skill is causing server load so they will "fix" the skill while "buffing" it in some other manner (even though the buff will not equalize the nerf, funny that).
I'm not a no-lifer so this won't impact me. I'm just saying that this can happen again.
@@ferrite1707 They haven't nerfed anything in the mid season through first 5 seasons. It sounds like you're referring to Lightning Spear situation last season, well the damage didnt get nerfed. Im saying that as Lightning Spear player. If they want to keep the same damage while improving whatever performance it's fine not a big deal.
Although I initially wanted a Paladin, actually looking forward to SB more now. I think Blizzard made a good decision with this one considering how well they made the new class and fits the theme. Perhaps Paladin is coming in the next expansion
I honestly want Blizz to NOT do another paladin for 2 reasons. First, I'm an asshole and I want to see people lose their sh!t. Secondly, I don't trust Blizz to get that particular class right (they already turned Runewords into a generator/spender mechanic so that proves to me that they aren't interested in keeping what made something great as it was).
If they make a different class that is a holy sword-and-board, I'm cool with that. Just don't call it a paladin unless it matches up with what a D2 paladin was.
@@ferrite1707 ya I wouldn’t mind a variation either, just like what they did in D3 (i.e. Crusader)
I am having the worst day. ‘Logout and make a spiritborn’ actually put a smile on my face 😅
WHEN BRO SAID “KENMORE REFRIGERATOR” I SPIT OUT MY COFFEE. 😂 fucking dead. 💀 This is why Raxx is my favorite D4 content creator. Much love bro, great tier list as always lmaooo
Thanks for all the videos Rax! Its been a unreal help for us lazy blasting pigeons.
You should definitely add a "Hardcore" category. A big part of the best builds for HC is the survivability, but it also allows you to include other factors.
that starforge logo for the final rankings: great! :D
The placement of Druids are giving me WD flashbacks... Nature peeps always getting gutted.
But then the Spiritborn comes and wow! I hope both of these still survive to be fun to play.
Endgame necro is actually in a really good spot (outside of our speed were slow as a car missing 3 wheels). Spiritwave, blood wave and hell even blood surge is insane in endgame. Spiritwave clears extremely quickly in terms of killing but we take ages to walk everywhere. Im still a bit sad that bone spear is basicly dead right now but with some of the new builds im happy still
“wake up, babe. Rax’s tier list just dropped.”
Everybody laughs at the refrigerator until the refrigerator Goldberg spears a fallen shaman
Thanks for all the videos and everything you do Raxx!
I've been discussing the expansion, and game as a whole, with my friend group. We played hard on release and we're all planning on playing launch. We've all concluded that the game has gotten insanely easy, and that dying isn't really a thing. Hopefully the new difficulty stuff changes all of that, but it sounds like, with you're removal of survivability, that we were pretty close.
Thankfully I'm looking forward to Spiritborn before seeing that they were going to be so powerful. I'm really excited to play them, and will probably roll 2 or maybe even 3 of them this season to play with different builds.
I am surprised that Sorc's are still so high up. Usually my favorite class, but I was really worried the nerfs were going to hurt them a lot. My first love has always been Sorc, and I'll roll one every season no matter how bad it gets, but it's always more fun when they feel good. The start of D4 was not fun, they did not feel good back in those days, so hopefully it doesn't get that bad again. I feel really bad for the Barb's out there.
My favourite type of Raxx content
Excited to play Spiritborn! Love the Centipede concept, so hoping there is an A to S tier endgame build for it. Overall love seeing all the theory crafting. Have seen some amazing speed builds trying to incorporate Eagle/Jag with a dash of Gorilla, or Jag/Eagle with a dash of Centipede.
There will obviously be the best meta build, but hoping there a lot of variety that is only a few pit tiers below.
Please never stop making videos!
Raxx is king of the tier list , fan since d3 days. Looks like LS/ FO will be the way for sorc but gonna try that goblin blaster for rogue as well.
Shatter/ice autobomber was so much fun... explosions and autobomber is my jam. Wish this wasnt nerfed so hard.
I was waiting for this, thank you. No surprise on Spiritborn being 1, they want to sell the expansions and not make the new addition useless lol
These vids feel like Xmas eve just before the big day.
Great placeholder images for all the characters
Be me, coming back after ditching D4 before season 1 even started. Be me now. Seeing fav class at bottom of list. I cry a lot
Thanks for the tier list. I will play for the 6th season in a row barbarian. Good luck everyone
Ofc Barb comes last. I don't really mind Barb is last, I just hate that Barb is just so weaker than all the other classes, like 20 pit ranks below the last 4 classes.
Do highest Pit ranks cleared really matter though? 99% of an ARPG is speedfarming, be it the latter parts of leveling, mat farming, grinding for gear etc.
Imo what really matters is how well a class speedfarms, how fun it does so, and how little disparity there is between speedfarm and push setups, so you can do both comfortably.
One class has far and wide been worst at that, all the way since launch, and it's not Barb.
@asum7786 it did matter this season, T8 infernal hordes where not easy with barb. And it was the best place to farm mats. And T7 was slow still, which was a requirement to even upgrade your gear. So yeah it's problematic.
What do you mean of course? Barb in the top 2 classes all seasons except one and this expansion. Your statement would make more sense for Necro.
I think there are still going to be a few builds that are very good for barb and even the class like Druid so I still think anyone can play what they want and feel strong just maybe not nearly as many choices as spiritborn
Well barb has been reigning the best for all the other seasons so he had to be nerfed
This was great Raxx, I'm so pumped for season 6, I think I'll let the mrs, play with the big toys tonight
That is insulting to 'fridges, as least they can keep things cold.
This video episode is full of Raxx delicious Special Dry Humor, well done! 😂
Thanks RAXX for the vid!
companions for druid definitely feel better than they ever had from what i tried on the PTR. I've tried to make them work a few seasons now and they've always just felt underwhelming but i think they'll actually be solid this season. definitely not the best but at least doable.
Raxx, if you go in and try other leveling builds, you should try a pure hydra/Hydra and Familliars build. Season 5, I was blasting through the game for leveling far faster with pure hydras than I was with Chain Lightning or Firewall leveling builds. The Hydra builds were hours faster on my 1-100 runs in S5. Especially if you temper everything to +hydra damage, and grab a staff and get +4 Hydra Heads tempered on it. Everything melts in seconds, and it's strong enough that you could push to WT4 by around level 35 (Probably could have done it sooner, but I always wanted sacred gear before pushing to the next tier.)
Great video. Thanks! Deciding between Eagle and Centipede.
why is there no ranking system on build on maxroll?
Tax I ordered and received my blue Maxroll sweatshirt, love it, fits great and good material so THANKS buddy.
No Raxxation without representation!!
@@alantremonti1381 “Our new tier list is now established, everything seems to promise it will be durable; but, in this world, nothing is certain except death and Raxx’s (blue hoodie.”)
Was not having fun with the start of this season and was playing Barb lol. Guess i know what to change.
Please consider a ranking system different than 1-6. The biggest problem I see with the current system is I can't tell if 1 is WAY out ahead of 2-6, if 1-6 is all clumped together, etc. I might like to try a new class but I likely wouldn't if I thought it would end up way underpowered. You could do the "traditional" SABCDF or assign points or whatever you like... just something that indicates relative power between the classes would be really helpful. Thanks for this video and others... have a good one.
Maxroll will have a best builds tier list that will be a little more comprehensive. It will show what builds shine and where. I find that to be better to go by since you can check out what builds might be good for a class before just playing it and finding out you don’t like the builds.
@@georgen5882 I don't disagree. When I saw this video I immediately checked maxroll but they haven't updated their tier lists for S6 yet. But... if we have to rely on maxroll then why make this content? I like Raxx's content, I'm just making a suggestion to improve it.
Remember the golden rule - play what you want to have the most fun.
The way they set up the difficulty levels now - any build in the game will be able to do all of the content. It just might take you longer to get every single mythic item in the game if you play on Torment 1 instead of Torment 4.
Don’t let a tier list from any streamer stop you from playing the class you want to play.
Great content as always. I appreciate the effort you put into your videos and streams as well and the quality feedback that you give to Blizzard.
I wish there was decent Hydra build not just for leveling or specialized end game haha
Logout and make a spirit born is wilddddd haha but true. This season I'm aiming to make 3-4 spirit born builds and then I'll probs go for rogue new skill
The disrespect is diabolical 😂😂 and I'm not even a barb main I'm a necro..
Great tier list. I can't wait to start. I'm not sure whether spiritborn or necromancer, we will see.
The historical ranking is dope
love these tier videos then the updated one a couple weeks later
'casual' is a nice metric so i know what to recommend friends that aren't going to look into anything
I started a new job last week where I’m guaranteed 6 figures a year, but I’m up at 5:30 to get to work by 8 downtown and home at 6-6:30 and in bed by 9:30-10. I haven’t had any time to even start the new season of expansion and it’s literally making me so sad
And, I don't really see the point of your post? But had to mention your "6" figure salary. Good for you. Nobody cares.
Not surprised to see SB on rank 1 - so we have a new Deathknight prob. for this season and for this season only - play it now, it will be nerfed sooner rather than later.
They’ll nerf it next month 😂😂😂
Good to see Blizzard are painting Warriors in WoW and Barbarians in D4 with the same brush
I'm probably waiting 1-2 weeks in to the season before buying VoH, maybe even waiting for a discount.
I'm not in a hurry and I'm also having too much fun in LE for a bit more.
Hyped to see what turns out OP or not in S6 and looking forward to playing it :D
See ya on launch day! :)
If Spirit born feels much better to play than the other classes, I have a feeling we'll get class revamps within the next 6 months
Thank you Raxx! 💙
This guys sarcasm is top notch comedy
It feels like blizzard’s Diablo live team uses balance thrashing often due to having the major balance changes not as often. It just feels like the swing the pendulum back and forth with the fervor of a shot putter or something. I hope they can improve this in the future to not make things swing into obscurity or overpoweredness so often
Why my Druid at 5 again 😂
Last season the Stormslide was absolutely killing it.
I hope Raxx got this wrong and someone soon find a incredible build for Druid!
Thanks Raxx! Your videos is making this weekend very enjoyable. Can’t wait for Monday!!
The gap between StormSlide and Bearslide is highly over exaggerated. They are damn near even in the hands of a capable player, so it's not much of a loss. I just wish they would've pushed a build that is less used to be meta for s6. I would've much more preferred they made Shred wildly powerful since I already spent all of s5 playing StormSlide and Bearslide.
I also think way too many bad players gave Necros a bad name in s5. My Blood Surge Necro is only slightly worse than the StormSlide Druid, and it's because it lacks boss damage, even though StormSlide isn't a great bosser either. Bearslide is an excellent bosser but doesn't have the AoE of either StormSlide or Blood Surge.
3:20 No they don't "deserve it." its not like barbarian players can go back to a previous season and play it. The roulette balancing the developers do is incredibly stupid
16:13 I guess they don't "deserve it" here though? Bone Spear, HOTA, Ball Lightning, Lightning Spear, its all gutted. You know its coming.
Appreciate the video. Good info as always. I will say though as a HC only player, survivability info is missed.
Perfect Videos. I feel like a Friend is Explaining the game to me. Good stuff. Do you do Build guides too.?
I'm so excited for Spiritborn! I always wanted to build druid but I just hate them, so I am hoping spiritborn delivers
Could replace Survival with Difficulty.
Dealing damage isn't necessarily the hard part, staying alive is. Even if the a class "survives" by nuking the screen, the ease of killing directly translates to odds of survival. Can differentiate this from Casual, which would rate gear/time spent/luck (i.e. outputs of gameplay) vs understanding of/ability to pull of mechanics (i.e. inputs of gameplay)
My prediction, people will jump into spiritborn, love it, kick ass with it, Blizzard will nerf the shit out of it and lots of people will complain. So I hesitate the invest the time into it.
They aren’t going to nerf it during the season.
@The89Mike yea, they're going to wait until the season ends. They can't fool most people into giving them more money if they nerfed it before or mid-season.
Definitely running Spiritborn whenever they launch the Season kekw
Would like to know about the diversity of the builds for the new class, hopefully it's wide and vairent and not just few builds
I was thinking of coming back, but after seeing the state of barb, I‘m good thanks 😂
All these nerfs just really suck. The fact that there are classes that are repeatedly the worst to play means they need to start buffing, not nerfing. I just can't comprehend the thinking behind making something overall worse and less fun to play. Why not make everything else equally as fun to play?
For Barbarian: Remove the goddamn whirlwind entirely from the root of the game. Restrict 1 shout on the action bar. Unless both of those are done Barbarian will NEVER go out of "Get shouts and spam WW" style and gameplay. Every single time it is like that. And every single time "Barb is weak" just fu**n means "Well WW doesnt do enough damage and not fast enough".
Also it is the single most boring AF build in almost all RPGs, get rid of them, make Barb a hard hitting bruiser.
There's like a Season 1 Uber drop rate % chance Spiritborn survives the first round of nerfs. We will be talking about the glory days of Season 6 Spiritborn for generations to come. I plan on enjoying every second of it while I can.
Maybe for survival you could do like "ease of survival." Some classes definitely feel like they are squishy only until you get a ton of gear or abilities