your premise is flawed - if you don't want whispers, don't list it! problem solved. i as a buyer block those that don't respond to my trade requests because i too value my time.
a HUGE problem is people just using offers to price their item. i have seen guides advising players to never take offers within the first hour. they just take it back out and reprice it higher until they dont get any more whispers. its a great way to create an awful trade experience for everyone.
@@mattb6646 a lot of people dont even try to figure out what stuff is worth. this guy i saw on youtube was identifying stuff and not even looking at it just throwing everything into a sell tab priced at 10c. then he if gets an offer for something he looks at it. makes A LOT of fake sales in the market.
@@mattb6646 Much better to price high and incrementally lower. Occasionally if somebody prices something reasonably and then don't accept my trade request and immediately reprice it I like to keep spamming them until they price it so ridiculously high that they'll never sell it. It's one thing mispricing something because of scalpers and price fixers, if you get spammed by multiple people reprice it. It's another thing entirely to keep repricing something because you were 1c more competitive than the next 30 people.
this is something that i think swings back the other way for a lot of people over time. When I was newer I would do the same. Post a ring for 3d, 15 mins later get a whisper and I'd think to myself "thats too low i guess I will price for 5d". then over the course of the next 2 days I get no offers for it as I reduce it back to the 3d. end up selling it for 1d 2 weeks later or it just rots in my stash since better rings are getting crafted at this point. only takes that happening a few times to realize that sometimes you just get lucky and someone looking for your specific mods hit trade and only yours was there shortly after posting.
A trading system where the items are traded without the trader having to headback to hideout/town, find the item then do the handover would greatly help
yea but the current system is in place so you have an incentive to farm your own gear and not just buy everything.honestly though an exchange for non rolling items such as currency or map currency so I can (god forbid) actually play the game instead of trading would be a nice compromise.
@@MrWilliGaming the cynics will say that the current system is in place so that you can see everyone's cool mtx hideouts and be tempted to buy one for yourself
@@TheRealFigLizard aw come on if you wanted so make money with trading you could do muuuch better then that. just allow automatic selling but require the purchase of a servant for each public stash tab. (bonus points for monthly payments)
One thing that made me absolutely mad last league was when i tried to buy an extremely build specific ring. The stat combination was so unusual on it the guy listing had it up for 3 weeks at that point, but it was perfect for my build. (cost around 70c) So i got pretty happy i found the perfect ring i wanted in my build cus all other rings missed something i wanted etc. I whisper the guy selling it. No response , i checked on him with /whois command and he was in a map. Okay i thought i can wait ill whisper him later. 20mins later i /whois at him and he is in hideout. PERFECT, i whisper him again , no response. I was like k maybe he is afk just haven"t got the AFK tag from the game yet. I wait again another 15 mins , /whois at him he is in Act3 town i whisper again. No response. I spammed /whois on him for a few mis and he was moving between town/hideout etc. I kept trying to whisper him once in a while. No response. I got mad . Okay fk you then i'll look for a similar item cus i just wasted around 90mins on this and i want to actually fking play now. I relist the items on the trade website with similar stats and there he is with the same item posted 1mins ago with a slightly higher price (95c). I was mad, like actually mad. I wrote for the guy telling him he is an asshole , why the fk would he relist the item when he waited 3 weeks to sell it and only i came thru? Like i bet the ring was actually unsellable if you don't need those specific stats. Cus all the other rings have higher /better stat rolls for average builds and way cheaper. After i ranted on him for being an asshole i went and started to run a few maps and he responded with " I wanted to make sure you really want the item " and tries to invite me. I told him to stick that fking ring up his ass and blocked him. Legitimately ruined my day and further tradings in the league. Cus i kept waiting for the seller to just reprice it and don't fking respond on any item i whispered for. Unlike the fast selling tattoos where i could understand pricing higher cus many ppl want it and you want profit etc this was a single fking ring that literally only i wanted thru a month ... fk still makes me angry.
I agree that guy is an asshole but I would also Never waste 90 minutes like you did to get a trade no matter how perfect the item. Ive had something similar, where for 5 minutes i spammed the guy when he raised the price. He did so ofcourse because he was the only seller and he noticed i badly wanted it so he wanted to sqeeuze more c out of me. I ended up paying double his original price. Yes the guy is an asshole but its part of the game. It was his item and he was entitled to ask any price he wanted, to ignore People, etc. I Just laughed about it and moved on. You need to grow a thicker skin to enjoy the game better.
@@Adama.1 Its not fking rocketsience to put himself on DND or RESPOND "hey i changed my mind i want more C for it" like a decent fking human being. Running into less inbred morons online would make my game more enjoyable :)
I really do wish offline/player shop trading would be implemented into this game already, lol. List something for exact price = put in said price and get the item. List something for asking price = player can make an offer and when you're back online you can accept or decline the offer.
I've always wanted trading to be done with a shop/store in your own hideout that you setup so that the buyer can get it himself for said store instead of the interaction happening between 2 players. It's extremely frustrating to have to leave an important zone you are doing (delve, heist, boss, ...) because there's a trade you can't afford not to do and a person waiting on you.
Need hideout vendors that people interact with and purchase the items we have listed for sale. We don't need to drop out of maps to make a trade, people can go to a persons hideout to buy an item if its listed from their vendor. Might eliminate price fixing.
Since you have to pay for a public tab in order to advertise your item anyways it would be really cool if the money was used for a service where people could search for and find your item on the site then come to your hideout and browse your store and buy stuff without you needing to actually be there. Literally like buying from npc vendors. You could specify whether you wanted the exact currency or if you would accept the equivalent in chaos orbs or whatever. When I first found out you had to pay for stash space in this free to play game I was like wow that's dirty at least this way you would be getting a very useful service too
The only important rule for me, given the chaos that the system is inherently going to have the way it's built, is "if I listed it, I'm getting out of my map for it". If I'm not willing to leave my map to sell the item, I'm not going to list it. Saves me tab space, saves me time, and saves everyone who whispers me the headache of "oh it's 20c, they're probably not going to respond". If you want to be the kind of player who throws every unid rare and flask into a 20c dump tab go for it, but when people start messaging you for those 20c trades in the middle of your map don't be an asshole, just make the trade. If you aren't going to leave your map for 20c trades don't make a 20c dump tab.
I'll do that most of the time... except currently I am farming Blight, Delirium, Breaches with Rampage. So I really, really don't want to stop in the middle of my map. I won't go out of it for under a div, but will pm back people for lower trades once I'm done. The blame is on GGG to have put so many timed mechanics in the maps.
@@oneoranotawith awaknedpoe you can param one key to send a message "wait 1 min please" or juste use /dnd when you start your map. The excuse "I'm in blight bla bla bla" is juste an excuse. Even in blight delve or rampage, if I sell an item for 1c, I leaving from my map or send a message to wait a short time until I leave. OR, use /dnd if it's happen more offen.
Was about to make a wall of text comment but then I saw this and yeah I do this 100%. I'll even drop doing blights and abyss to trade because 10c is usually better than what I would find lol.
Nah. I will do trade in the time when it's convenient to me doing trade. I ain't gonna stop farming for several divines worth of loot because of some 20c trade.
@@casusbelli9225 if it's not worth you leaving your map to make a 20c trade then don't list any 20c trades dude. All you do is piss everyone else off by listing an item you're only willing to sell like 10% of the time you're online.
As I'm sure someone else has mentioned, there are plenty of players who chuck items in a tab and wait to see if they get pinged for it, and others who make intentionally low listings because they want to try to flip items. If PoE would let you auction your items, or automatically execute trades at your listed price, it would go a long way in fixing these issues.
Poe: “but muh premium tabs” But yes, there needs to be an auction style trading system. You just buy the item that is listed and move on. It won’t stop price fixing, but nothing stops that, not even the current system.
@@goldenhate6649they could keep the premium tabs as they are. It could literally be done the exact same, just automating the final process. Whether or not the tabs should be priced at all is a different conversation altogether, bit the reality is they are and they wouldn't need to get rid of them.
@@goldenhate6649 You could make an auction system that works with the premium tabs. You can only list items that are in a public premium tab, and if the item sells, it will be removed from the tab. Maybe the auction house is an NPC which opens a remove only currency tab or something for sold items. There are certainly ways of providing a good user experience without changing the current system too much.
The two things that would really boost the poe experience is an auction house system so everything posted was a guaranteed transaction (assuming it was still there), and the ability to remove the visual effects of other players in a map.
One other thing I want to mention is that for popular or expensive items cheapest "not-responders" are resellers. They have another account that lists that stuff for low price and they buy up every item that gets listed for same or lower price. That is price fixing. That way they make an illusion that it is market's lowers price but actually those items are not really for sale.
This. This video needs more attention! It's spot on with the non response! Often i can scroll down 30-60 people, even tryed it saying "you whisperede too many" before i even got a trade... were talking like 4-5 weeks into a league :/
I really don't understand why there can't be an auction house. I'm in the nobody will even respond for 50 divines camp and if all that would do is cut out messaging 100 people to get a trade why is that so bad?
chris wilson was asked this question. he said something like "we want there to be friction in trade. if we put in an auction house then everyone would just have every item they wanted."
@@valjohnson7112 i remember that. I didn't agree with it then and still don't. All it does is make you spend an extra hour trading, not prevent you from getting the items. Everyone eventually gets every item they want anyway. Maybe that would actually improve the fact that like 70% of players can't even finish the campaign or the first lab. The people that know how to play the game don't need it and the people that don't can't use it so nobody wins.
god i want an auction house, at least for bulk items like cards and currency that have no affixes or rolls its the number 1 factor that makes me quit leagues
A problem I've run into is the time it takes to load into people's hideouts. I've lost trades because my character is loaded in but I'm stuck at loading screen until all the particle fx render. This is on a computer that's only a few years old at minimum graphics settings. They should at least give us an option to hide premium fx in hideouts...
i only got few k hours but i still instantly leave map for every single item i listed. After all i listed it and if it gets annoying i raise minimum value of items i list and just vendor/remove from filter of items i ain't gonna use/sell. But holy shit it is indeed annoying not getting responses.. sometimes i just spam whisper like 10+ different ppl for same item and get no responses even tho they all are online..i have no idea how you would fix this issue since obviously no one would ever want anything similar to auction house
Trading on console is better objectively, cause it allows a second route to take. A player does not have to react to chat messages and there is no meet up with the customer involved. A seller simply sets a price (or not) and the buying party makes an offer remotely in the system. The seller can then except it at his own clock and volition. Recently console got its own online item database to search through, too.
Lots of price fixers as well when using the official bulk trade. I always give the advice to use normal trade, sort it by time and whisper the non meme listings with reasonable prices. You normally get a reply within seconds.
This is exactly the most infuriating thing for me. Many people listing bulk items are trying to BUY, not sell, and want them to be sold (to them) for cheaper than their actual worth, either for flipping purposes or for personal use.
Sometimes I wish, that all ggg employees received their salary in 10 cent coins (to feel the weight), and to buy a single potato they had to whisper dozens of cashiers, just to be ignored.
You know what I think would help with ppl answering whispers? If we could access out Stash via an UI Tab anywhere and also can actually trade from the map with the buyer who's in our HO or even theirs. That way if u get a whisper, you only have to stop for few seconds inside the map do the trade and resume.
Some people say, that Chris actually wants people to meet in hideouts, so they can flex their MTX and hideouts. They could just implement an auction house.
Idk why we cant have an auction house. Would be so much easier. Either you list as "fixed prize" where it gets sold immediately. The auction house would function as a bank where you withdraw your currency youve earned. Or you list it as offer where ppl can the place those
The game was built around item for item trading. It was never GGG idea that players would mostly trade items for chaos and divines. So won't happen ever. They don"t want a currency system that forces players to use orbs as currency.
It needs a shop concept. Where the trade information is offloaded into a separate server so the seller doesn't need to answer or setup a party or such. Currency is returned to the seller along with a message to say the sale happened. The seller can even be offline as this is a GGG database transaction.
Personally, with any trades where you're constantly getting people whispering you, like essence or oils or tattoos now, I take the tab off of public while I go mapping, and then turn it back on if I expect to be in my hideout for a decent amount of time.
Also, don't list stuff for sale midway through your planned mapping or other content. Gather them in a tab and list them afterwards, when you have time to hang around the hideout for sales. A lot of things sell quickly after all, especially currency and consumable types.
Personally I've found a way to deal with the trade system and still efficiently sell all the shit I find that's worth anything for decent prices: - I dump nearly everything I find directly into premium tabs that list all items for the chaos equivalent of 1 divine. Once the tab is full I start lowering the chaos value by a few every few minutes (usually between maps) and selling items as people whisper me for them. - You can list rares in separate tabs that you lower more slowly as those sell a lot slower in general to increase their potential value, but I don't really bother. - I generally only accept trades for stackable items if they use the bulk trading whisper format as you often get people that think you're trying to sell the full stack you put up for the listed amount while you're still lowering it. - If you get whispers for an item immediately after putting it up for the 1 div equivalent, especially if you get spammed, remove it from the tab and search/list its price separately. This happens very rarely if you're just mapping normally so it's not too disruptive. Doing it like this I don't need to know the actual market value of anything I find unless it's a very expensive item, and I still sell pretty much everything that's worth at least the amount I deem worth the time it takes to trade, usually more.
Well my personal solution is to have 2 trading tabs. One that is always public and has the high value items that I always sell. And one that has the rest but is set private while mapping, usually 10-20c stuff that annoys me to sell while mapping, but I switch the tab to public once I idle in hideout for a while.
We need some trade automization, like a trade NPC in our hideout or elsewhere that buyers can go to after being invited in correspondence to a trade. If the game already has the ability to highlight you the item in your trade stash after getting whispered to, then it shouldn't be impossible to automize the sale of said item somewhat, right? Unless, of course, the buyer changes the lines to a different price (but your item is posted at a fixed price, so the buyer has to pay said price anyways)~
if you list something, you are asking to be contacted. If you don't want to be contacted, don't list the item. WTF are we doing here? One guy said he listed tattoos for 15, sold. 20, sold. 35, sold! He took the time to go in and change the price over and over saying he doesn't want to sell them. That isn't a system problem. If you list the item it is correctly assumed by a buyer that you wish to sell. Somehow that buyer is at fault for trying to buy the 5 chaos item that the seller listed? Insanity. Don't want to make 10, 100 chaos deals? Don't list items for that. If you make 3 Div running a map then only list 3 div items. Problem solved. This is asinine
There is a VERY big difference between SC and HC on this topic. HC buyers will wait for an item because they understand that the person can't leave what their doing immediately and replying may kill them, so you're forced to learn patience. In SC, because of over-saturation, there are a ton of items that will probably fill your filter criteria and if someone doesn't reply, you just go down the list. I started to play SC leagues with my friends and by a few weeks in, I literally don't sell anything for less than a divine and even when I make a div sale, after another week, I start to skip those too. It's a legitimate issue. I never thought that I'd be like that, until I tried SC trade. It beats you down. Literally, you just tire out from inviting people and them not showing up due to them messaging someone else because I didn't reply within 3 seconds; or you tire out from trading up/down currency in SC... That is hell. Yes, you can just post your currency up and it will be much faster to sell, rather than buy, but man it still blows. Keep in mind, I have about 12k hours in this game, so my experience will differ from someone who doesn't understand how to buy/sell items as well. IMO: SC should get a trading post / auction house; HC can stay as-is.
@@owenwegner8503i play on xbox what is so bad about the auction house? If there was more ppl it would be fine i think. Only problem is price fixing but thats just cuase of console scarcity
@@owenwegner8503 whats the big problem with it?? i think ggg said the reason its not on pc is due to bots buying low and selling high just making it free profit for those that bother to set it up, basically making everything more expensive for everyone while they themselves just leech taxes. this does make sense, but honestly id be happy to be able to just buy or sell automatically.
@@Cryoptic_tbh all the scarab ibuy in league is 100% from bot and i buy in bulk like 100 or 200 or more the way they put item in trade tab gives it away 😅
I always have a minimum trade value. When the league just starts it might be 1c but as time goes on I refuse to leave what I am doing for less than like 10 or 20c so I don't list anything for less than that.
I just hate the bulk currency sellers that don't accept trades. Having to whisper tens of people and ending up having to pay twice what you expected is the most annoying thing, and a big part of why I switched to standard and rarely trade. I already had a good amount of currency to build from, and don't need to worry about buying currency, maps, scarabs etc. The only thing I use trade for are particular items that I can't craft myself, or bases to craft on. Trade is the only thing that sucks the fun out of the game for me.
This is actually the best and only solution to it. The prices need to be fixed by GGG, otherwise it would get even worse with an auction house, people already fixing like crazy in trade
its very simple. Lets take the Tattoo example. It is listed for 15c. It's probably worth 30c. These people that dont answer to whispers are putting it so low to probably buy these items themselves for 15c. or they put it up 10 days ago and perma play in DND mode, who knows. Regardless, if you want to BUY an item, then you have to assume the lowest price is a lowball and probably noone WANTS to sell it that low, they just listed it for the previous mentioned reasons. So you go down the list and start your whispers there. If you are desperate you can also whisper the lowballers, but with low chance of success.
This! Literally 99 percent of top listed items are lowballers trying to fool noobs into selling them at dirt cheap price. And also, currency/item flippers.
It takes 3 clicks to whisper lowballers. If they are price fixers, I want to spam-whisp the hell out of them. And if they are legit, I'll grab my discounted item thank you !
That's exactly what I thought. All those low prices don't really reflect the real value. I still whisper the price-fixers though. I started to view the whole thing like a reverse auction. If I buy bulk, I always whisper around 10-15 people at once. The one who answers first won my bid and gets my money. If I need more I keep trading with people answering late. And If I don't need the item anymore and It's just one person, I say sorry and explain that someone else was faster. You have 3 options: 1. Try sniping someone that got tricked by the price-fixers and you get the Item under market value and make a profit. 2. Figure out the real market value and skip the first 20-30 people assuming those are price-fixers anyway and you get the item for market value but it takes a little longer 3. If you know you need bulk consider paying more than market value. If you pay a little more people tend to answer fast. In that case you pay for better service and it takes way less time. Oh and if you want to figure out the real market value (works best for bulk sold items): Let's say you want to sell Stacked Decks ... Entries that are days old with thousands of Stacked Decks are most likely price-fixers Entries with only a few Stacked Decks might be real but are most likely under-pricing. You want to look for new entries with large Stacks of a few hundred, listed only a few hours ago. Because you can assume that these people successfully sell for that price.
@@NavanBethrax You are part of the toxicity of trade. Spamming 15 people, greatly annoys 14 people, leaving their map and you not responding. Your behaviour is toxic and you should get banned for it.
I only make my sales tab public when im in my hideout or doing things i dont mind stopping to sell items, its not very efficient and i dont make as many sales but the way the trade system is it saves a lot of friction
The problem is I can't set a filter that changes my floor price on the fly. I'll sell at any rate if I'm in my hideout. But the floor price goes up based on the portal cost.
I think it would be a possible solution/step to automatically unlist an item when someone messages for it. That way, if the seller invites the person who just messaged, great. If he didn't, the item won't be listed for trade anymore and wont annoy any other people. By listing an item and not selling it when you get a message, you're annoying the person trying to buy it and yourself, since you'll be getting dms for that item. Sure, you can't always leave the map but at least invite the person to the party and say "sec" or something like that
I really like this idea, if only GGG could make this change. Save soooo much pain on the trade search and make people actively resist something if they were ever genuine about selling it to begin with
GGG should AT LEAST auto-unlist when you get more than 3 whispers and the item is still in the stash. That would even solve the problem with price fixers.
In case you want to know 1 of perspective of sellers who seem to always "ignore" you: I put my thing at lowest price or even lower. I will quickly get a lot of whispers. I will scroll up the chat box a bit so the box stays on the 1st guy who whispered. I invite him to trade. By the time I finished trading maybe I already get 30 whispers or more. So it's not that I want to troll you or not seriously want to sell, the demand just comes very fast and the first guy gets it and you are not him. The item might be sold already when you whisper me. The trade server still list my item about 2-3 minutes after it is sold. I usually sell in between mapping and once my high value item is sold, i turn on DND so i stop getting whispers. So that's one thing that happens when you dont get any response from sellers.
Mark my words; The moment you get an auction house, you will regret it (unless you are the top 0.01% of the player base, who can keep up with the inflation such easy access would cause)
GGG made trade like this where you have to whisper 20+ ppl for low value items if you sort by price. GGG also made limit to how many ppl you can whisper in a certain amount of time using the trade website. Ability to ignore or refuse to go through any trade you initiate by posting item for a price is just asking for abuse. And we see this growing more and more rampant.
At this poiny when im buying something if there are say 10 sellers at the same price...i click them all, and accept party invite from first to respond. Sometimes, none of them respond....
I listed some charge compass i think its the harvest one I listed it specifically for chaos orb. some players are paying with awakened sextants and can get triggered if I dont accept the trade and some of the telling me im an idiot for not accepting. Some ppl can be annoying.
When you're the seller, you can ask what ever you want for your product. When the buyer is lazy or tries to negotiate, more often than not, it's best to ignore them. Unless you're cool with their offer & just want to get rid of the item. If you trade so often that it's like your second job, it makes sense to ignore everyone that doesn't play by your rules.
My 2nd league and already fed up with it. Not to mention how messy it can be to do large scale trading, essence, legion etc. Having 5 different items across 3 different buyers makes things way too confusing sometimes.
I’ll note, this is only really a problem for “low value” trades. It’s just that with the massive currency inflation we have in the game now what constitutes a low value trade has changed. Where in the past it would be normal to not have anyone reply to a 5c trade now you can reasonably expect a lot of players to not respond to a 25c or more trade. For new players that 25c might represent half their wealth and can really create an extremely frustrating experience.
I hate GGG for the system we currently have in place. To get around it thought I just delist tabs that I no longer want to sell on certain days. Others when I'm just mostly afk I'll sell everything. If I weren't interested in making a sale then it's my fault for having it listed with this current setup GGG put in place and I accept that responsibility. There are posts everyday on reddit about people just starting league. I know they need the gear and will leave my activity to help another out.
GGG refusal to have an "auction house" or automated sell system makes it stupidly hard to trade, for no other reason than GGG wanting people to talk to another... . And thats without talking of absolutely having to use an EXTERNAL site (out of the game itself) to trade! So completly out of it, 2023 and POE2 next year and they are not doing a thing. STU-PID!
The worst part is we know it's very possible as the console version of the game as a Trading board/auction house that GGG as gone out of it's way to make as hard to use as possible so they could justify pulling it out of the game and force ppl to use the trade website.
I really like delving and there is no way to leave delving until im done with the node even if i wanted to trade 😂 i usually reply delve wait if i can but if trade its small i usually lose it or not do it
they should make it like trading in stock market or auto accepting trades for currency items listed, if u list selling chaos for divine, it should auto accept the trade in the stash tab
This is the first league where I've played hundreds of hours and as such I got into trading quite a bit. I'd say for me, I always take a trade unless I'm in a timed event, at which point I'll send a quick message to let them know. I also don't price everything at once, and sometimes I'll leave my to-sell items un-priced so I can enjoy a day of just mapping. Pricing wise I do price just a bit more than the lowest offers since I know a lot of them are just price fixers, but I also would rather something sell than have it sit for a month. Towards the end of the league I decided to try compass rolling, and that requires a lot of trading since I did like 1500 or 2000 compasses at a time. It was interesting, but considering the huge amount of trading that requires, my overall view is that most people are decent folk and trading is pretty easy if you can devote your time to it. The hardest bit is just what this video describes though, making that judgment call if it's worth going out of maps for a trade.
If they can make a bid/buy now trading system that would stop the haggling and once they paid they got the item and you got the currency. I only bring that up because I used to play ultimate team in fifa.
I'd say not all trades are equal. Like, if it is common enough of an item and you delay too quickly, they probably went somewhere else. If it is niche enough, and they want it badly enough, they'll wait as long as needed. Though the system could definitely use with some more qol.
And that's the heart of the problem: the case where the buyer will wait because he knows he won't find this item elsewhere and/or at this price represents a tiny fraction of the trades made on the game. Tbh I don't understand why GGG hasn't implemented an auction house yet. In addition to solving the problems mentioned in the video, it would help combat pricefixers.
That may be so, but it's enough that you need a "PoE PhD" regarding the game itself, so becoming a salesman to trade efficiently feels like it's too much. I still don't get why they can't make the display curios into a 1-stack trading posts that would be visible on the trade and people could come to your HO to buy it. And GGG would get more money for selling the item display thing.
(on ps5) even in the game it says "Buyout price" insinuating there is a haggle to be had. i always try to get item cheaper (uniques and gear, not currency) and i always respect the haggle when its the other way around. There is an easy fix for both trading and price fixing.. if item is priced for 20 chaos buyout, you should be able to automatically buy it for that amount without seller present.
to be honest i usually left a reply and as a buyer i usually buy in bulk. Sometime i have key unique in low value then it's time for 5 seconds rule, ignore every whisper after 5 seconds and find someone else
This is a, "2 things can be true at the same time" if there was an auction house, this wouldn't be an issue. But if people would stop listing items they won't sell, it also won't be an issue
I want a system where you could list items, and shop is open 24/7. So price fixing wouldnt be a thing. So annoying having to go through 50 trade requests for 1 to answer for just some alts etc. Having shop open at all times makes it also easier to list and sell items. Even when u offline. But then thousands of players would just sit and snipe mispriced items, which is the downside
there's another stage beyond that, someone put in 110c instead of 120c? whatever accept, get out of my ho, open map. someone listing for 30c? nah that's extra clicks to split stack, whisper the guy listing for 40c instead. trading is a hassle, we cope with it but it could be so much better...
Not a new player by any means, been playing since 2013. I tend to always accept trades, even if it's only 1c. Literally just don't list the item if you're not gonna bother selling it, actually annoys the hell out of me that i have to whisper over 30 diff people to finally get a seller for a simple 1c item.
All of tota tats/omen have doubled tripled or quad. Since its not going core. Trading always dwindles at league end. The only time i dont respond to trade request is if its something i cant leave like tota or delve or heist. If someone pesters me or sends invites i ignore them right away. And when im buying i wait a good 10 second before whispering the next in line, having people whisper you then cancel the invite 3 seconds after they whispered you is rude af and it annoys everyone when it happens to them.
Its a bad idea to automate trade by using auction but its is a Qol. Its bad if it had no player interaction to confirm trade. It has to have that. At least for auction, limit the item slot like 5 item slot of any size and limit to 10 trades a day like its own trade tab for people not to abuse the system.
the only problem with trading i have is a problem witch comes in two forms: someone wants to buy something (usually cheap stuff) and i fucking INSTA invite with macro, go to town, search the item, and they leave. or i have to wisper like 5 ppl for one item till i might geht an invite. i think both goes down to the same problem, that ppl usually wisper like 3-5 ppl in the first place because they expect to not get answered anyways. thats the only really annoying part for me honestly. ah okay and one more thing, ppl that cant even WAIT A FUCKING MIN for thier item and expect u to insta leave ur map and trade them a 1c item. that annoyes me too, this "i want my item insta or i leave and ask another one because i have to be that super effective uber gamer and cant waste 60 sec waiting .."
It's really that simple If u don't want to bother with a lower trade then don't list the item. But they should have made some kind of an automated trading store like 10years ago cuz trade like it is now is dull and frustrating.
Everything you said was on point. And the already awful trade system is only made worse because nearly every league introduces a new mechanic that requires you to stay in the map to maintain uptime on a skill or league mechanic. Like...why. And yet Chris still absolutely _insists_ on manual trading. It makes no sense.
the current trade system is why I play SSF, I absolutely hate how it feels to trade, and because trade is still the most efficient way to play I end up trading and hating my experience, so strangely playing with no trade is a more fun experience. I really really want to play with trade, it just makes me hate the game when I do, because people don't respond. If they just automated it everything would be easier and work so much better. There's a reason people have made 3rd party tools to bulk sell essences and sextants etc. If someone has to go outside of your game to do something, that's a problem.
As a new player, I can say that Poe trading system is terrible. I didn't have clear instructions and first ten sellers didn't answer my whisper and I wasn't sure was I doing something wrong. First who answered kicked me out, because I was using more than two seconds to check the item. Since then, I have few times got an item which didn't have crafted mod there was supposed to be. It was still showing in a time of a trade but not when I had it. Don't know if this is a bug in a game or intentional hoax. Another annoying problem is availability. You use an hour to find a good item. When try to send a whisper, page needs to be refreshed and you never find it again. I really wouldn't like to sell anything, because I don't like to get interrupted nor do annoying routines for nothing. Games are supposed to be fun, and the trade could be done automatically and safely. Anyway, I don't like the idea of massive farming and terribly expensive items. Campaign phase was fun and so the early mapping, but it appears that there would be a need to run hundreds of maps routinely to get good enough gear to continue. My first character is at lvl90 with pretty good damage. I have run tier14 unique maps, but it can still suddenly die in tier6 maps. It's either overwhelming or dead, which is not particularly fun. Next one is at lvl75, and it it hard dying but because smaller damage, it's too slow to make money. Both would need something like 50-100 divines to fix problems but it would take a year to get that much. A map takes 10-30min and gives 0-2C and small amount of something else.
If I ever feel like I don't want to bother with selling cheap items I just delist them and sell items that are priced for price that is enough for me to stop doing what I am doing to trade. By end of the league I usually have listed items that are priced 1d and up. But I always trade item if someone finds something cheap I have missed. Never ignore trades, if I can't trade I say so and ask if buyer can wait.
GGG doesn't want an AH cause they want it to be personal and all that... but a lot if trading moved to various discords... and trades are anything but personal... the few trades I had this league is people either not saying anything just trade the item and leave the party, or they will have a macro they will click when the trade is ready and when it's done... So trades are now basically an AH that randomly won't give you and item and you have to spam 20 trades to get what you want...
poe should have a separate mechanic for trading, this party invite and trade is too much trouble, it'd better to have a separate trading global window and a punishment system por those who don't reply often, maybe a couple hours off the market if that's the case, and scale that up if it happens again. Something should be done in that sense, the game has such a unique trading system that is a waste not giving attention to it.
Honestly I've been playing poe for around 2500 hours with my friend and I'm the merchant. Me and my friend run maps then after wards he dumps everything on me and i price check and sell everything (god yes I use Awakened Poe Trade, mercury trade, and TFT bulk! I am not insane). Once we get more and more geared I stop selling single items under a certain amount of chaos, for example is my build has 20-50 divs in it and I'm slaughtering many maps per hour I usually don't sell single drops under 40-60c because I believe the maps are more worth then the trades at that point so I do not put up those items. Of course I still collect essence and such because BULK but I'm not stepping out for a 15c yellow helm. Another thing I do is Sunday slash day! Where every Sunday I cut my price down usually my half every times so like: |200c -> 100c -> 50c -> removed| I do this because liquid chaos/divs are NOT real chaos/divs having a 25div item is awesome but if no one buys it and you can't use it it's worth less then a scroll of wisdom at that point. I also love being the merchant! I made a storefront, get to meet people with crazy skins, people talk and complement me on my storefront, and it makes the game FEEL more alive then just a auction house where you click 3 buttons, wait a week, and check your mail. The trade has it's flaw because it relies/trusts on humans to do the bulk of the work and that sometimes backfires due to a some shady dude. It should 100% have some form of in game mention, link, or window for newer players because for the first 500-1000ish hours I didn't know it existed!!! A large enjoyment for me is through the trade system and playing with my friend so I hope it continues they way it does. Stay safe, Exile!
At least I get karma points for changing people's divines. I'm hoarding chaos because you get more on sales with them. So I max out on chaos orbs pretty quickly. Any change is welcome, I get divines without needing to buy them. Yeah now that I think about it, I never actually bought a divine orb.
I personally don’t gain any enjoyment from the act of trading so I limit what I list to sell. First 2-3 weeks of the league I don’t sell anything less than 50c and don’t leave maps until people accept party invite and go to my ho. After that nothing less than a divine and bulk sales. If people ask politely about giving change then I usually do.
Had one dingus this league that tried to convince me in broken english that I had listed 3 silver oils for 40c and he wanted all of them for his 2 chaos stacks. No buddy, it's 40 a pop in a 3 oil stack, GTFO
There are more and more 'events' in PoE, like the league mechanic quite often, blight, abyss, even delve, where if you leave you lose. I'm not even sure you can leave delve if you want to, no portals until done? Anyway, GGG needs a async way to sell, not an AH (I know that horse is long dead) but perhaps an in-hideout selling stash or merchant npc. EQ did it decades ago, GGG can manage to do it now. They won't, but they could.
Ifi listed a item ill see it even if i listed it a week ago for 1c,but theres a catch if am sitting fighting izaro they need to wait a few mins and offten people dont wanna wait
Um, just so anyone who isn't aware knows - The reason no one replies to whispers at least in terms of currency and some very specific items at the listed rate is because they are trying to " Fix " the market. If 30 people have things posted at 12-20 c each - But the actual first preson that replies is selling it for 40, how many new players do u think are using awakened poe trade to check OR going online to check and see " oh, 12c ; I'll sell mine for 10 to get rid of it fast ". People have bots, scripts and all sorts set up for mass buying these currencies and things listed at lower rates which they then list at 2-4x that amount or sometimes even more for profit. The unfortunate reality is there is no real system in place to protect new players from things like this, you just have to learn over time by playing. It's not a nice feeling when that happens to you, but that's just how the market is sadly.
People who want some kind of automated system basically just see this as an issue of convenience not understanding that GGG hasn't budged on synchronous trade for over a decade because its protecting the in-game economy from massive item inflation. The whole point is to create an opportunity cost and limit available supply. Basically, its a seller's market where a player can reasonable make more wealth PLAYING THE GAME than spending time accepting every trade. Automating trade would remove that opportunity cost and massively increase supply. It would then be a buyer's market forcing savage price competition and undercutting that would lead to item values crashing very quickly. That's how a game gets into the situation D3 did with the AH where a player was just better off playing the AH all day than trying to farm items.
Not gonna lie, I low-key despise people that put things into the trade tabs at prices they won't walk out of a map for. If it's so cheap that you can't be bothered to sell it as an individual item, sell it in bulk. If it can't be sold in bulk and you can't be arsed responding unless you're literally in the stash at the time of the whisper, don't put it in the tab. I completely understand having enough currency that 5c isn't worth it anymore, but I have zero understanding for people being in that position and then putting the 5c item in anyways. That said, this is really a tool issue. If we had a decent trade system where the trade could happen without the seller having to go out of their way to dig it out of the closet to hand over personally, we wouldn't be having this problem. For people yelling about the "gameplay opportunities" of in-person trading or opportunity cost: I couldn't give less of a crap. It's a boring, tedious waste of time and I don't care if a handful of people can't scam newbies unless the trade is in-person. They can start a mail spam bot like all the other reasonable internet trolls.
I wait 10sec for response if nothing I move on sometimes even 5 sec and move on when buying, when selling what is meant to go in bulk I sell in bulk otherwise vendor stuff from 1-20c when I have tabs full of divine range, so I don't get bothered for trade I don't wanna leave map or something, anyway I use 3th party trading app (overlay) so everything is much faster and easier (overwolf is what I use if someone reading and wondering). Have over 1000h in SC only problem I have in trade is exchanging c-div and div-c, even when I take 100th person down the list doesn't respond lol
How I try to avoid the trade system completely because its such ass is after I get my league start character functioning enough to start doing serious farming strats I bulk sell everything through TfT. Literally everything. (except anything I have crafted obviously) but those are not 25c sells I usually don't profit craft anything in anytime in the league that isn't at least worth a few Divines, but for all stackable currencies, maps those kinds of things I don't even put in trade tabs anymore. I work as hard as I can in the first week or so of the league to get everything in place just to avoid having to trade through the trade site.
Fuck TFT. Getting banned there is easy, just one triggered PoS whining to the mods that you didn't answer to him flooding your DMs, so "he is price fixing".
Just never post anything for sale while mapping, then put the tab on public while you eat dinner on something, the whispers will come and you will be less annoyed because you are not in a map
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i got out of 3 keys 1 mb and my m8 quit the league after that XD
your premise is flawed - if you don't want whispers, don't list it! problem solved. i as a buyer block those that don't respond to my trade requests because i too value my time.
then dont text those who listed it like 3-4 days ago @@truth_hearts_1940
a HUGE problem is people just using offers to price their item. i have seen guides advising players to never take offers within the first hour. they just take it back out and reprice it higher until they dont get any more whispers. its a great way to create an awful trade experience for everyone.
Yeah but it can be difficult to price unique items any other way, and I mean one of a kind rare items or very rare stuff not unique uniques
@@mattb6646 a lot of people dont even try to figure out what stuff is worth. this guy i saw on youtube was identifying stuff and not even looking at it just throwing everything into a sell tab priced at 10c. then he if gets an offer for something he looks at it. makes A LOT of fake sales in the market.
@@mattb6646 Much better to price high and incrementally lower. Occasionally if somebody prices something reasonably and then don't accept my trade request and immediately reprice it I like to keep spamming them until they price it so ridiculously high that they'll never sell it. It's one thing mispricing something because of scalpers and price fixers, if you get spammed by multiple people reprice it. It's another thing entirely to keep repricing something because you were 1c more competitive than the next 30 people.
this is something that i think swings back the other way for a lot of people over time. When I was newer I would do the same. Post a ring for 3d, 15 mins later get a whisper and I'd think to myself "thats too low i guess I will price for 5d". then over the course of the next 2 days I get no offers for it as I reduce it back to the 3d. end up selling it for 1d 2 weeks later or it just rots in my stash since better rings are getting crafted at this point. only takes that happening a few times to realize that sometimes you just get lucky and someone looking for your specific mods hit trade and only yours was there shortly after posting.
@@mattb6646 why not price it very high and then slowly lowering the price bit by bit until it sells? Thats kinda similar to how I sell everything
A trading system where the items are traded without the trader having to headback to hideout/town, find the item then do the handover would greatly help
yea but the current system is in place so you have an incentive to farm your own gear and not just buy everything.honestly though an exchange for non rolling items such as currency or map currency so I can (god forbid) actually play the game instead of trading would be a nice compromise.
@@MrWilliGaming the cynics will say that the current system is in place so that you can see everyone's cool mtx hideouts and be tempted to buy one for yourself
@@TheRealFigLizard aw come on if you wanted so make money with trading you could do muuuch better then that.
just allow automatic selling but require the purchase of a servant for each public stash tab. (bonus points for monthly payments)
One thing that made me absolutely mad last league was when i tried to buy an extremely build specific ring. The stat combination was so unusual on it the guy listing had it up for 3 weeks at that point, but it was perfect for my build. (cost around 70c) So i got pretty happy i found the perfect ring i wanted in my build cus all other rings missed something i wanted etc. I whisper the guy selling it. No response , i checked on him with /whois command and he was in a map. Okay i thought i can wait ill whisper him later. 20mins later i /whois at him and he is in hideout. PERFECT, i whisper him again , no response. I was like k maybe he is afk just haven"t got the AFK tag from the game yet. I wait again another 15 mins , /whois at him he is in Act3 town i whisper again. No response. I spammed /whois on him for a few mis and he was moving between town/hideout etc. I kept trying to whisper him once in a while. No response. I got mad . Okay fk you then i'll look for a similar item cus i just wasted around 90mins on this and i want to actually fking play now. I relist the items on the trade website with similar stats and there he is with the same item posted 1mins ago with a slightly higher price (95c).
I was mad, like actually mad. I wrote for the guy telling him he is an asshole , why the fk would he relist the item when he waited 3 weeks to sell it and only i came thru? Like i bet the ring was actually unsellable if you don't need those specific stats. Cus all the other rings have higher /better stat rolls for average builds and way cheaper. After i ranted on him for being an asshole i went and started to run a few maps and he responded with " I wanted to make sure you really want the item " and tries to invite me. I told him to stick that fking ring up his ass and blocked him.
Legitimately ruined my day and further tradings in the league. Cus i kept waiting for the seller to just reprice it and don't fking respond on any item i whispered for. Unlike the fast selling tattoos where i could understand pricing higher cus many ppl want it and you want profit etc this was a single fking ring that literally only i wanted thru a month ... fk still makes me angry.
I agree that guy is an asshole but I would also Never waste 90 minutes like you did to get a trade no matter how perfect the item. Ive had something similar, where for 5 minutes i spammed the guy when he raised the price. He did so ofcourse because he was the only seller and he noticed i badly wanted it so he wanted to sqeeuze more c out of me. I ended up paying double his original price. Yes the guy is an asshole but its part of the game. It was his item and he was entitled to ask any price he wanted, to ignore People, etc. I Just laughed about it and moved on. You need to grow a thicker skin to enjoy the game better.
@@Adama.1 Its not fking rocketsience to put himself on DND or RESPOND "hey i changed my mind i want more C for it" like a decent fking human being.
Running into less inbred morons online would make my game more enjoyable :)
@@Adama.1it is his right, doesnt mean he isnt an ass :D
I really do wish offline/player shop trading would be implemented into this game already, lol.
List something for exact price = put in said price and get the item. List something for asking price = player can make an offer and when you're back online you can accept or decline the offer.
Yes please
Making it automated literally fixes everything
poe REALY needs a comodity market with instant buyout
I've always wanted trading to be done with a shop/store in your own hideout that you setup so that the buyer can get it himself for said store instead of the interaction happening between 2 players.
It's extremely frustrating to have to leave an important zone you are doing (delve, heist, boss, ...) because there's a trade you can't afford not to do and a person waiting on you.
and they almost have that on console. you as the seller still have to sign off on the sale, but its practically a store front.@@Lamren
Need hideout vendors that people interact with and purchase the items we have listed for sale. We don't need to drop out of maps to make a trade, people can go to a persons hideout to buy an item if its listed from their vendor. Might eliminate price fixing.
Since you have to pay for a public tab in order to advertise your item anyways it would be really cool if the money was used for a service where people could search for and find your item on the site then come to your hideout and browse your store and buy stuff without you needing to actually be there. Literally like buying from npc vendors. You could specify whether you wanted the exact currency or if you would accept the equivalent in chaos orbs or whatever. When I first found out you had to pay for stash space in this free to play game I was like wow that's dirty at least this way you would be getting a very useful service too
The only important rule for me, given the chaos that the system is inherently going to have the way it's built, is "if I listed it, I'm getting out of my map for it". If I'm not willing to leave my map to sell the item, I'm not going to list it. Saves me tab space, saves me time, and saves everyone who whispers me the headache of "oh it's 20c, they're probably not going to respond".
If you want to be the kind of player who throws every unid rare and flask into a 20c dump tab go for it, but when people start messaging you for those 20c trades in the middle of your map don't be an asshole, just make the trade. If you aren't going to leave your map for 20c trades don't make a 20c dump tab.
I'll do that most of the time... except currently I am farming Blight, Delirium, Breaches with Rampage. So I really, really don't want to stop in the middle of my map. I won't go out of it for under a div, but will pm back people for lower trades once I'm done.
The blame is on GGG to have put so many timed mechanics in the maps.
@@oneoranotawith awaknedpoe you can param one key to send a message "wait 1 min please" or juste use /dnd when you start your map.
The excuse "I'm in blight bla bla bla" is juste an excuse.
Even in blight delve or rampage, if I sell an item for 1c, I leaving from my map or send a message to wait a short time until I leave. OR, use /dnd if it's happen more offen.
Was about to make a wall of text comment but then I saw this and yeah I do this 100%. I'll even drop doing blights and abyss to trade because 10c is usually better than what I would find lol.
Nah.
I will do trade in the time when it's convenient to me doing trade.
I ain't gonna stop farming for several divines worth of loot because of some 20c trade.
@@casusbelli9225 if it's not worth you leaving your map to make a 20c trade then don't list any 20c trades dude. All you do is piss everyone else off by listing an item you're only willing to sell like 10% of the time you're online.
As I'm sure someone else has mentioned, there are plenty of players who chuck items in a tab and wait to see if they get pinged for it, and others who make intentionally low listings because they want to try to flip items. If PoE would let you auction your items, or automatically execute trades at your listed price, it would go a long way in fixing these issues.
Poe: “but muh premium tabs”
But yes, there needs to be an auction style trading system. You just buy the item that is listed and move on. It won’t stop price fixing, but nothing stops that, not even the current system.
@@goldenhate6649they could keep the premium tabs as they are. It could literally be done the exact same, just automating the final process. Whether or not the tabs should be priced at all is a different conversation altogether, bit the reality is they are and they wouldn't need to get rid of them.
@@goldenhate6649 premium tabs could be converted to sale slots or something
@@goldenhate6649 You could make an auction system that works with the premium tabs. You can only list items that are in a public premium tab, and if the item sells, it will be removed from the tab. Maybe the auction house is an NPC which opens a remove only currency tab or something for sold items. There are certainly ways of providing a good user experience without changing the current system too much.
Pro tip: bind a hotkey to respond to whisper asking for a moment. Works every time.
The two things that would really boost the poe experience is an auction house system so everything posted was a guaranteed transaction (assuming it was still there), and the ability to remove the visual effects of other players in a map.
FACTS. If I have to listen to the fucking ski-bap-do-bop shit in town for much longer I’m going to cry.
@@mojojojo560 I'm sorry
One other thing I want to mention is that for popular or expensive items cheapest "not-responders" are resellers. They have another account that lists that stuff for low price and they buy up every item that gets listed for same or lower price. That is price fixing. That way they make an illusion that it is market's lowers price but actually those items are not really for sale.
This. This video needs more attention!
It's spot on with the non response! Often i can scroll down 30-60 people, even tryed it saying "you whisperede too many" before i even got a trade... were talking like 4-5 weeks into a league :/
I really don't understand why there can't be an auction house. I'm in the nobody will even respond for 50 divines camp and if all that would do is cut out messaging 100 people to get a trade why is that so bad?
chris wilson was asked this question. he said something like "we want there to be friction in trade. if we put in an auction house then everyone would just have every item they wanted."
@@valjohnson7112 i remember that. I didn't agree with it then and still don't. All it does is make you spend an extra hour trading, not prevent you from getting the items. Everyone eventually gets every item they want anyway. Maybe that would actually improve the fact that like 70% of players can't even finish the campaign or the first lab. The people that know how to play the game don't need it and the people that don't can't use it so nobody wins.
cos you gotta *feel the weight*
@@SenatorBanana balancing something by making it painful to use is just bad game design
ok mr arbiter of what is and isnt bad game design, go make the poe killer then@@andrewcollins3950
god i want an auction house, at least for bulk items like cards and currency that have no affixes or rolls
its the number 1 factor that makes me quit leagues
A problem I've run into is the time it takes to load into people's hideouts. I've lost trades because my character is loaded in but I'm stuck at loading screen until all the particle fx render. This is on a computer that's only a few years old at minimum graphics settings. They should at least give us an option to hide premium fx in hideouts...
i only got few k hours but i still instantly leave map for every single item i listed. After all i listed it and if it gets annoying i raise minimum value of items i list and just vendor/remove from filter of items i ain't gonna use/sell. But holy shit it is indeed annoying not getting responses.. sometimes i just spam whisper like 10+ different ppl for same item and get no responses even tho they all are online..i have no idea how you would fix this issue since obviously no one would ever want anything similar to auction house
Trading on console is better objectively, cause it allows a second route to take. A player does not have to react to chat messages and there is no meet up with the customer involved. A seller simply sets a price (or not) and the buying party makes an offer remotely in the system. The seller can then except it at his own clock and volition. Recently console got its own online item database to search through, too.
Lots of price fixers as well when using the official bulk trade. I always give the advice to use normal trade, sort it by time and whisper the non meme listings with reasonable prices. You normally get a reply within seconds.
This is exactly the most infuriating thing for me. Many people listing bulk items are trying to BUY, not sell, and want them to be sold (to them) for cheaper than their actual worth, either for flipping purposes or for personal use.
Sometimes I wish, that all ggg employees received their salary in 10 cent coins (to feel the weight), and to buy a single potato they had to whisper dozens of cashiers, just to be ignored.
You know what I think would help with ppl answering whispers? If we could access out Stash via an UI Tab anywhere and also can actually trade from the map with the buyer who's in our HO or even theirs. That way if u get a whisper, you only have to stop for few seconds inside the map do the trade and resume.
Some people say, that Chris actually wants people to meet in hideouts, so they can flex their MTX and hideouts. They could just implement an auction house.
Idk why we cant have an auction house. Would be so much easier. Either you list as "fixed prize" where it gets sold immediately. The auction house would function as a bank where you withdraw your currency youve earned. Or you list it as offer where ppl can the place those
The game was built around item for item trading. It was never GGG idea that players would mostly trade items for chaos and divines. So won't happen ever. They don"t want a currency system that forces players to use orbs as currency.
It needs a shop concept. Where the trade information is offloaded into a separate server so the seller doesn't need to answer or setup a party or such. Currency is returned to the seller along with a message to say the sale happened. The seller can even be offline as this is a GGG database transaction.
Personally, with any trades where you're constantly getting people whispering you, like essence or oils or tattoos now, I take the tab off of public while I go mapping, and then turn it back on if I expect to be in my hideout for a decent amount of time.
Also, don't list stuff for sale midway through your planned mapping or other content. Gather them in a tab and list them afterwards, when you have time to hang around the hideout for sales. A lot of things sell quickly after all, especially currency and consumable types.
Personally I've found a way to deal with the trade system and still efficiently sell all the shit I find that's worth anything for decent prices:
- I dump nearly everything I find directly into premium tabs that list all items for the chaos equivalent of 1 divine. Once the tab is full I start lowering the chaos value by a few every few minutes (usually between maps) and selling items as people whisper me for them.
- You can list rares in separate tabs that you lower more slowly as those sell a lot slower in general to increase their potential value, but I don't really bother.
- I generally only accept trades for stackable items if they use the bulk trading whisper format as you often get people that think you're trying to sell the full stack you put up for the listed amount while you're still lowering it.
- If you get whispers for an item immediately after putting it up for the 1 div equivalent, especially if you get spammed, remove it from the tab and search/list its price separately. This happens very rarely if you're just mapping normally so it's not too disruptive.
Doing it like this I don't need to know the actual market value of anything I find unless it's a very expensive item, and I still sell pretty much everything that's worth at least the amount I deem worth the time it takes to trade, usually more.
Nothing is more annoying than than a dummy venting emotions about stupid things
Well my personal solution is to have 2 trading tabs. One that is always public and has the high value items that I always sell. And one that has the rest but is set private while mapping, usually 10-20c stuff that annoys me to sell while mapping, but I switch the tab to public once I idle in hideout for a while.
We need some trade automization, like a trade NPC in our hideout or elsewhere that buyers can go to after being invited in correspondence to a trade.
If the game already has the ability to highlight you the item in your trade stash after getting whispered to, then it shouldn't be impossible to automize the sale of said item somewhat, right? Unless, of course, the buyer changes the lines to a different price (but your item is posted at a fixed price, so the buyer has to pay said price anyways)~
if you list something, you are asking to be contacted. If you don't want to be contacted, don't list the item. WTF are we doing here? One guy said he listed tattoos for 15, sold. 20, sold. 35, sold! He took the time to go in and change the price over and over saying he doesn't want to sell them. That isn't a system problem. If you list the item it is correctly assumed by a buyer that you wish to sell. Somehow that buyer is at fault for trying to buy the 5 chaos item that the seller listed? Insanity. Don't want to make 10, 100 chaos deals? Don't list items for that. If you make 3 Div running a map then only list 3 div items. Problem solved. This is asinine
There is a VERY big difference between SC and HC on this topic. HC buyers will wait for an item because they understand that the person can't leave what their doing immediately and replying may kill them, so you're forced to learn patience. In SC, because of over-saturation, there are a ton of items that will probably fill your filter criteria and if someone doesn't reply, you just go down the list.
I started to play SC leagues with my friends and by a few weeks in, I literally don't sell anything for less than a divine and even when I make a div sale, after another week, I start to skip those too. It's a legitimate issue. I never thought that I'd be like that, until I tried SC trade. It beats you down. Literally, you just tire out from inviting people and them not showing up due to them messaging someone else because I didn't reply within 3 seconds; or you tire out from trading up/down currency in SC... That is hell. Yes, you can just post your currency up and it will be much faster to sell, rather than buy, but man it still blows.
Keep in mind, I have about 12k hours in this game, so my experience will differ from someone who doesn't understand how to buy/sell items as well.
IMO: SC should get a trading post / auction house; HC can stay as-is.
Ya xbox has a trading post and it's dogshit trust me you don't want that
@@owenwegner8503i play on xbox what is so bad about the auction house? If there was more ppl it would be fine i think. Only problem is price fixing but thats just cuase of console scarcity
@stoplosinglilboy1461 have you ever looked at the 1000+ pages of jewels lol
@@owenwegner8503 whats the big problem with it?? i think ggg said the reason its not on pc is due to bots buying low and selling high just making it free profit for those that bother to set it up, basically making everything more expensive for everyone while they themselves just leech taxes. this does make sense, but honestly id be happy to be able to just buy or sell automatically.
@@Cryoptic_tbh all the scarab ibuy in league is 100% from bot and i buy in bulk like 100 or 200 or more the way they put item in trade tab gives it away 😅
I always have a minimum trade value. When the league just starts it might be 1c but as time goes on I refuse to leave what I am doing for less than like 10 or 20c so I don't list anything for less than that.
I just hate the bulk currency sellers that don't accept trades. Having to whisper tens of people and ending up having to pay twice what you expected is the most annoying thing, and a big part of why I switched to standard and rarely trade. I already had a good amount of currency to build from, and don't need to worry about buying currency, maps, scarabs etc. The only thing I use trade for are particular items that I can't craft myself, or bases to craft on. Trade is the only thing that sucks the fun out of the game for me.
I believe the trade system should be automated, as in you've listed at 10c, first person to offer 10c receives the item automatically.
This is actually the best and only solution to it. The prices need to be fixed by GGG, otherwise it would get even worse with an auction house, people already fixing like crazy in trade
This is it right here
@@m.h.4907Jesus that sounds horrendous
its very simple. Lets take the Tattoo example. It is listed for 15c. It's probably worth 30c. These people that dont answer to whispers are putting it so low to probably buy these items themselves for 15c. or they put it up 10 days ago and perma play in DND mode, who knows. Regardless, if you want to BUY an item, then you have to assume the lowest price is a lowball and probably noone WANTS to sell it that low, they just listed it for the previous mentioned reasons. So you go down the list and start your whispers there. If you are desperate you can also whisper the lowballers, but with low chance of success.
This! Literally 99 percent of top listed items are lowballers trying to fool noobs into selling them at dirt cheap price.
And also, currency/item flippers.
it works like that with the currensy, but with uniqe items i almost always get a responce even if its a 1c uniqe
It takes 3 clicks to whisper lowballers.
If they are price fixers, I want to spam-whisp the hell out of them. And if they are legit, I'll grab my discounted item thank you !
That's exactly what I thought. All those low prices don't really reflect the real value. I still whisper the price-fixers though.
I started to view the whole thing like a reverse auction. If I buy bulk, I always whisper around 10-15 people at once. The one who answers first won my bid and gets my money.
If I need more I keep trading with people answering late. And If I don't need the item anymore and It's just one person, I say sorry and explain that someone else was faster.
You have 3 options:
1. Try sniping someone that got tricked by the price-fixers and you get the Item under market value and make a profit.
2. Figure out the real market value and skip the first 20-30 people assuming those are price-fixers anyway and you get the item for market value but it takes a little longer
3. If you know you need bulk consider paying more than market value. If you pay a little more people tend to answer fast. In that case you pay for better service and it takes way less time.
Oh and if you want to figure out the real market value (works best for bulk sold items):
Let's say you want to sell Stacked Decks ...
Entries that are days old with thousands of Stacked Decks are most likely price-fixers
Entries with only a few Stacked Decks might be real but are most likely under-pricing.
You want to look for new entries with large Stacks of a few hundred, listed only a few hours ago. Because you can assume that these people successfully sell for that price.
@@NavanBethrax You are part of the toxicity of trade. Spamming 15 people, greatly annoys 14 people, leaving their map and you not responding. Your behaviour is toxic and you should get banned for it.
I only make my sales tab public when im in my hideout or doing things i dont mind stopping to sell items, its not very efficient and i dont make as many sales but the way the trade system is it saves a lot of friction
auto trade tab like in the console version would be great
Automated trading would be so nice. I hate offering the price someone wants only for them to never accept.
The problem is I can't set a filter that changes my floor price on the fly.
I'll sell at any rate if I'm in my hideout.
But the floor price goes up based on the portal cost.
I think it would be a possible solution/step to automatically unlist an item when someone messages for it. That way, if the seller invites the person who just messaged, great. If he didn't, the item won't be listed for trade anymore and wont annoy any other people. By listing an item and not selling it when you get a message, you're annoying the person trying to buy it and yourself, since you'll be getting dms for that item. Sure, you can't always leave the map but at least invite the person to the party and say "sec" or something like that
I really like this idea, if only GGG could make this change. Save soooo much pain on the trade search and make people actively resist something if they were ever genuine about selling it to begin with
And this would be abused by competitors to remove your items from the trade site.
Now you get spam pinged by 50 bots so you get the trade delisted lol
GGG should AT LEAST auto-unlist when you get more than 3 whispers and the item is still in the stash. That would even solve the problem with price fixers.
I'd get 2 of my friends to delist other peoples offers to place mine on top. Great system!
In case you want to know 1 of perspective of sellers who seem to always "ignore" you: I put my thing at lowest price or even lower. I will quickly get a lot of whispers. I will scroll up the chat box a bit so the box stays on the 1st guy who whispered. I invite him to trade. By the time I finished trading maybe I already get 30 whispers or more.
So it's not that I want to troll you or not seriously want to sell, the demand just comes very fast and the first guy gets it and you are not him. The item might be sold already when you whisper me.
The trade server still list my item about 2-3 minutes after it is sold. I usually sell in between mapping and once my high value item is sold, i turn on DND so i stop getting whispers. So that's one thing that happens when you dont get any response from sellers.
I hope they implement trading inside the game in poe2, and make the selling automatic without requiring sellers actions.
Mark my words; The moment you get an auction house, you will regret it (unless you are the top 0.01% of the player base, who can keep up with the inflation such easy access would cause)
GGG made trade like this where you have to whisper 20+ ppl for low value items if you sort by price.
GGG also made limit to how many ppl you can whisper in a certain amount of time using the trade website.
Ability to ignore or refuse to go through any trade you initiate by posting item for a price is just asking for abuse.
And we see this growing more and more rampant.
At this poiny when im buying something if there are say 10 sellers at the same price...i click them all, and accept party invite from first to respond.
Sometimes, none of them respond....
I listed some charge compass i think its the harvest one I listed it specifically for chaos orb. some players are paying with awakened sextants and can get triggered if I dont accept the trade and some of the telling me im an idiot for not accepting. Some ppl can be annoying.
When you're the seller, you can ask what ever you want for your product.
When the buyer is lazy or tries to negotiate, more often than not, it's best to ignore them. Unless you're cool with their offer & just want to get rid of the item.
If you trade so often that it's like your second job, it makes sense to ignore everyone that doesn't play by your rules.
When you become experienced, you know what offers are unlikely to get responses from your whispers. All these problems are non-issues.
My 2nd league and already fed up with it. Not to mention how messy it can be to do large scale trading, essence, legion etc. Having 5 different items across 3 different buyers makes things way too confusing sometimes.
I’ll note, this is only really a problem for “low value” trades. It’s just that with the massive currency inflation we have in the game now what constitutes a low value trade has changed. Where in the past it would be normal to not have anyone reply to a 5c trade now you can reasonably expect a lot of players to not respond to a 25c or more trade. For new players that 25c might represent half their wealth and can really create an extremely frustrating experience.
I hate GGG for the system we currently have in place. To get around it thought I just delist tabs that I no longer want to sell on certain days. Others when I'm just mostly afk I'll sell everything. If I weren't interested in making a sale then it's my fault for having it listed with this current setup GGG put in place and I accept that responsibility. There are posts everyday on reddit about people just starting league. I know they need the gear and will leave my activity to help another out.
GGG refusal to have an "auction house" or automated sell system makes it stupidly hard to trade, for no other reason than GGG wanting people to talk to another... . And thats without talking of absolutely having to use an EXTERNAL site (out of the game itself) to trade! So completly out of it, 2023 and POE2 next year and they are not doing a thing. STU-PID!
The worst part is we know it's very possible as the console version of the game as a Trading board/auction house that GGG as gone out of it's way to make as hard to use as possible so they could justify pulling it out of the game and force ppl to use the trade website.
I really like delving and there is no way to leave delving until im done with the node even if i wanted to trade 😂 i usually reply delve wait if i can but if trade its small i usually lose it or not do it
they should make it like trading in stock market or auto accepting trades for currency items listed, if u list selling chaos for divine, it should auto accept the trade in the stash tab
normal rare items i see u will still need to wager
This is the first league where I've played hundreds of hours and as such I got into trading quite a bit. I'd say for me, I always take a trade unless I'm in a timed event, at which point I'll send a quick message to let them know. I also don't price everything at once, and sometimes I'll leave my to-sell items un-priced so I can enjoy a day of just mapping. Pricing wise I do price just a bit more than the lowest offers since I know a lot of them are just price fixers, but I also would rather something sell than have it sit for a month.
Towards the end of the league I decided to try compass rolling, and that requires a lot of trading since I did like 1500 or 2000 compasses at a time. It was interesting, but considering the huge amount of trading that requires, my overall view is that most people are decent folk and trading is pretty easy if you can devote your time to it. The hardest bit is just what this video describes though, making that judgment call if it's worth going out of maps for a trade.
When i see the renaissance paint my mind automatically goes: "hey hey people" 😂
If they can make a bid/buy now trading system that would stop the haggling and once they paid they got the item and you got the currency. I only bring that up because I used to play ultimate team in fifa.
I'd say not all trades are equal. Like, if it is common enough of an item and you delay too quickly, they probably went somewhere else. If it is niche enough, and they want it badly enough, they'll wait as long as needed. Though the system could definitely use with some more qol.
And that's the heart of the problem: the case where the buyer will wait because he knows he won't find this item elsewhere and/or at this price represents a tiny fraction of the trades made on the game.
Tbh I don't understand why GGG hasn't implemented an auction house yet. In addition to solving the problems mentioned in the video, it would help combat pricefixers.
Once you understand how pricefixing/flipping works and what items are affected by them, you have no frustration when trading anymore!
That may be so, but it's enough that you need a "PoE PhD" regarding the game itself, so becoming a salesman to trade efficiently feels like it's too much.
I still don't get why they can't make the display curios into a 1-stack trading posts that would be visible on the trade and people could come to your HO to buy it. And GGG would get more money for selling the item display thing.
@@Kuzka_ yep, that would be nice!
(on ps5) even in the game it says "Buyout price" insinuating there is a haggle to be had. i always try to get item cheaper (uniques and gear, not currency) and i always respect the haggle when its the other way around. There is an easy fix for both trading and price fixing.. if item is priced for 20 chaos buyout, you should be able to automatically buy it for that amount without seller present.
to be honest i usually left a reply and as a buyer i usually buy in bulk. Sometime i have key unique in low value then it's time for 5 seconds rule, ignore every whisper after 5 seconds and find someone else
annoying to me is when i get trade blocked for some minutes since ive whispered 20 guys ,,,, so im softblocked for short and still nobody responds ^^
This is a, "2 things can be true at the same time" if there was an auction house, this wouldn't be an issue. But if people would stop listing items they won't sell, it also won't be an issue
I want a system where you could list items, and shop is open 24/7. So price fixing wouldnt be a thing. So annoying having to go through 50 trade requests for 1 to answer for just some alts etc. Having shop open at all times makes it also easier to list and sell items. Even when u offline. But then thousands of players would just sit and snipe mispriced items, which is the downside
The friction is by design and highly desirable according to GGG or at least Chris Wilson.
there's another stage beyond that, someone put in 110c instead of 120c? whatever accept, get out of my ho, open map. someone listing for 30c? nah that's extra clicks to split stack, whisper the guy listing for 40c instead.
trading is a hassle, we cope with it but it could be so much better...
Not a new player by any means, been playing since 2013. I tend to always accept trades, even if it's only 1c. Literally just don't list the item if you're not gonna bother selling it, actually annoys the hell out of me that i have to whisper over 30 diff people to finally get a seller for a simple 1c item.
All of tota tats/omen have doubled tripled or quad. Since its not going core. Trading always dwindles at league end. The only time i dont respond to trade request is if its something i cant leave like tota or delve or heist. If someone pesters me or sends invites i ignore them right away. And when im buying i wait a good 10 second before whispering the next in line, having people whisper you then cancel the invite 3 seconds after they whispered you is rude af and it annoys everyone when it happens to them.
Its a bad idea to automate trade by using auction but its is a Qol. Its bad if it had no player interaction to confirm trade. It has to have that. At least for auction, limit the item slot like 5 item slot of any size and limit to 10 trades a day like its own trade tab for people not to abuse the system.
the only problem with trading i have is a problem witch comes in two forms:
someone wants to buy something (usually cheap stuff) and i fucking INSTA invite with macro, go to town, search the item, and they leave.
or i have to wisper like 5 ppl for one item till i might geht an invite.
i think both goes down to the same problem, that ppl usually wisper like 3-5 ppl in the first place because they expect to not get answered anyways.
thats the only really annoying part for me honestly.
ah okay and one more thing, ppl that cant even WAIT A FUCKING MIN for thier item and expect u to insta leave ur map and trade them a 1c item. that annoyes me too, this "i want my item insta or i leave and ask another one because i have to be that super effective uber gamer and cant waste 60 sec waiting .."
It's really that simple If u don't want to bother with a lower trade then don't list the item. But they should have made some kind of an automated trading store like 10years ago cuz trade like it is now is dull and frustrating.
Everything you said was on point. And the already awful trade system is only made worse because nearly every league introduces a new mechanic that requires you to stay in the map to maintain uptime on a skill or league mechanic. Like...why. And yet Chris still absolutely _insists_ on manual trading. It makes no sense.
the current trade system is why I play SSF, I absolutely hate how it feels to trade, and because trade is still the most efficient way to play I end up trading and hating my experience, so strangely playing with no trade is a more fun experience. I really really want to play with trade, it just makes me hate the game when I do, because people don't respond. If they just automated it everything would be easier and work so much better. There's a reason people have made 3rd party tools to bulk sell essences and sextants etc. If someone has to go outside of your game to do something, that's a problem.
Loving this type of content!
3 weeks into the league anything below 50c is extremely difficult to buy
Sometimes I just ignore the trades cause I'm playing on my Handheld PC and its not easy to navigate out of ares fast during combat
As a new player, I can say that Poe trading system is terrible. I didn't have clear instructions and first ten sellers didn't answer my whisper and I wasn't sure was I doing something wrong. First who answered kicked me out, because I was using more than two seconds to check the item. Since then, I have few times got an item which didn't have crafted mod there was supposed to be. It was still showing in a time of a trade but not when I had it. Don't know if this is a bug in a game or intentional hoax.
Another annoying problem is availability. You use an hour to find a good item. When try to send a whisper, page needs to be refreshed and you never find it again.
I really wouldn't like to sell anything, because I don't like to get interrupted nor do annoying routines for nothing. Games are supposed to be fun, and the trade could be done automatically and safely.
Anyway, I don't like the idea of massive farming and terribly expensive items. Campaign phase was fun and so the early mapping, but it appears that there would be a need to run hundreds of maps routinely to get good enough gear to continue.
My first character is at lvl90 with pretty good damage. I have run tier14 unique maps, but it can still suddenly die in tier6 maps. It's either overwhelming or dead, which is not particularly fun. Next one is at lvl75, and it it hard dying but because smaller damage, it's too slow to make money.
Both would need something like 50-100 divines to fix problems but it would take a year to get that much. A map takes 10-30min and gives 0-2C and small amount of something else.
It's a problem when I get happy about getting a bot.
If I ever feel like I don't want to bother with selling cheap items I just delist them and sell items that are priced for price that is enough for me to stop doing what I am doing to trade. By end of the league I usually have listed items that are priced 1d and up. But I always trade item if someone finds something cheap I have missed. Never ignore trades, if I can't trade I say so and ask if buyer can wait.
GGG doesn't want an AH cause they want it to be personal and all that... but a lot if trading moved to various discords... and trades are anything but personal... the few trades I had this league is people either not saying anything just trade the item and leave the party, or they will have a macro they will click when the trade is ready and when it's done...
So trades are now basically an AH that randomly won't give you and item and you have to spam 20 trades to get what you want...
hate it when some 1 lists something at a decimal point price ... like sure ill split this divine orb in half ...
Why list items if you don't want to go through the trouble of selling it? Seem very stupid to put something up for sale if you don't want to trade
PoE's Trade system is by far the most grotesque system of the game, it hurts/ruins the game for a LOT of players.
poe should have a separate mechanic for trading, this party invite and trade is too much trouble, it'd better to have a separate trading global window and a punishment system por those who don't reply often, maybe a couple hours off the market if that's the case, and scale that up if it happens again. Something should be done in that sense, the game has such a unique trading system that is a waste not giving attention to it.
Honestly I've been playing poe for around 2500 hours with my friend and I'm the merchant. Me and my friend run maps then after wards he dumps everything on me and i price check and sell everything (god yes I use Awakened Poe Trade, mercury trade, and TFT bulk! I am not insane). Once we get more and more geared I stop selling single items under a certain amount of chaos, for example is my build has 20-50 divs in it and I'm slaughtering many maps per hour I usually don't sell single drops under 40-60c because I believe the maps are more worth then the trades at that point so I do not put up those items. Of course I still collect essence and such because BULK but I'm not stepping out for a 15c yellow helm.
Another thing I do is Sunday slash day! Where every Sunday I cut my price down usually my half every times so like: |200c -> 100c -> 50c -> removed| I do this because liquid chaos/divs are NOT real chaos/divs having a 25div item is awesome but if no one buys it and you can't use it it's worth less then a scroll of wisdom at that point. I also love being the merchant! I made a storefront, get to meet people with crazy skins, people talk and complement me on my storefront, and it makes the game FEEL more alive then just a auction house where you click 3 buttons, wait a week, and check your mail.
The trade has it's flaw because it relies/trusts on humans to do the bulk of the work and that sometimes backfires due to a some shady dude. It should 100% have some form of in game mention, link, or window for newer players because for the first 500-1000ish hours I didn't know it existed!!! A large enjoyment for me is through the trade system and playing with my friend so I hope it continues they way it does.
Stay safe, Exile!
I'll tell you my problem I can't find my trade requests/whispers and it's making me insane I can't find any info online 😢
At least I get karma points for changing people's divines.
I'm hoarding chaos because you get more on sales with them. So I max out on chaos orbs pretty quickly. Any change is welcome, I get divines without needing to buy them.
Yeah now that I think about it, I never actually bought a divine orb.
I have mad respect for the people that still sell 1alc/1c unique 1 month into a league, those are the ones that should run our society.
I personally don’t gain any enjoyment from the act of trading so I limit what I list to sell. First 2-3 weeks of the league I don’t sell anything less than 50c and don’t leave maps until people accept party invite and go to my ho. After that nothing less than a divine and bulk sales. If people ask politely about giving change then I usually do.
Had one dingus this league that tried to convince me in broken english that I had listed 3 silver oils for 40c and he wanted all of them for his 2 chaos stacks. No buddy, it's 40 a pop in a 3 oil stack, GTFO
The pc version seriously needs the in game market board that the console version has
There are more and more 'events' in PoE, like the league mechanic quite often, blight, abyss, even delve, where if you leave you lose. I'm not even sure you can leave delve if you want to, no portals until done? Anyway, GGG needs a async way to sell, not an AH (I know that horse is long dead) but perhaps an in-hideout selling stash or merchant npc. EQ did it decades ago, GGG can manage to do it now. They won't, but they could.
Ifi listed a item ill see it even if i listed it a week ago for 1c,but theres a catch if am sitting fighting izaro they need to wait a few mins and offten people dont wanna wait
lol i always block the guy not answer a call
Um, just so anyone who isn't aware knows - The reason no one replies to whispers at least in terms of currency and some very specific items at the listed rate is because they are trying to " Fix " the market. If 30 people have things posted at 12-20 c each - But the actual first preson that replies is selling it for 40, how many new players do u think are using awakened poe trade to check OR going online to check and see " oh, 12c ; I'll sell mine for 10 to get rid of it fast ". People have bots, scripts and all sorts set up for mass buying these currencies and things listed at lower rates which they then list at 2-4x that amount or sometimes even more for profit.
The unfortunate reality is there is no real system in place to protect new players from things like this, you just have to learn over time by playing. It's not a nice feeling when that happens to you, but that's just how the market is sadly.
People who want some kind of automated system basically just see this as an issue of convenience not understanding that GGG hasn't budged on synchronous trade for over a decade because its protecting the in-game economy from massive item inflation.
The whole point is to create an opportunity cost and limit available supply. Basically, its a seller's market where a player can reasonable make more wealth PLAYING THE GAME than spending time accepting every trade. Automating trade would remove that opportunity cost and massively increase supply. It would then be a buyer's market forcing savage price competition and undercutting that would lead to item values crashing very quickly. That's how a game gets into the situation D3 did with the AH where a player was just better off playing the AH all day than trying to farm items.
Not gonna lie, I low-key despise people that put things into the trade tabs at prices they won't walk out of a map for.
If it's so cheap that you can't be bothered to sell it as an individual item, sell it in bulk.
If it can't be sold in bulk and you can't be arsed responding unless you're literally in the stash at the time of the whisper, don't put it in the tab.
I completely understand having enough currency that 5c isn't worth it anymore, but I have zero understanding for people being in that position and then putting the 5c item in anyways.
That said, this is really a tool issue. If we had a decent trade system where the trade could happen without the seller having to go out of their way to dig it out of the closet to hand over personally, we wouldn't be having this problem.
For people yelling about the "gameplay opportunities" of in-person trading or opportunity cost: I couldn't give less of a crap. It's a boring, tedious waste of time and I don't care if a handful of people can't scam newbies unless the trade is in-person. They can start a mail spam bot like all the other reasonable internet trolls.
I wait 10sec for response if nothing I move on sometimes even 5 sec and move on when buying, when selling what is meant to go in bulk I sell in bulk otherwise vendor stuff from 1-20c when I have tabs full of divine range, so I don't get bothered for trade I don't wanna leave map or something, anyway I use 3th party trading app (overlay) so everything is much faster and easier (overwolf is what I use if someone reading and wondering). Have over 1000h in SC only problem I have in trade is exchanging c-div and div-c, even when I take 100th person down the list doesn't respond lol
How I try to avoid the trade system completely because its such ass is after I get my league start character functioning enough to start doing serious farming strats I bulk sell everything through TfT. Literally everything. (except anything I have crafted obviously) but those are not 25c sells I usually don't profit craft anything in anytime in the league that isn't at least worth a few Divines, but for all stackable currencies, maps those kinds of things I don't even put in trade tabs anymore. I work as hard as I can in the first week or so of the league to get everything in place just to avoid having to trade through the trade site.
Fuck TFT. Getting banned there is easy, just one triggered PoS whining to the mods that you didn't answer to him flooding your DMs, so "he is price fixing".
Just never post anything for sale while mapping, then put the tab on public while you eat dinner on something, the whispers will come and you will be less annoyed because you are not in a map