I Own and Operate Woodworking's Most Dangerous Tool(My Response to John Malecki's Recent Video)
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- In this video, I am sharing my experiences on using the shopsmith and talking about things that I agree and disagree with in John Makecki's video.
Links to instructional videos:
Doug Reid Instructional : • Shopsmith blade and gu...
My Power pro review: • ShopSmith Power Pro
Also be sure to check out Scott's Channel: My Growth Rings
As Jason said, it's good to find another Shopsmith channel. I was primarily a hand tool user until my wife found a Shopsmith 510 at Habitat for Humanity last fall. It was the missing link for my woodworking, and now I can turn, sand, saw, drill, and bore while only tying up 12 square feet in my little garage space. Subscribed.
Thanks for watching the video and for subscribing. Im hoping to do a video regarding lathe turning. I need to make several replacement knobs for some of my hand planes
I've had a shop smith for decades. Never any injuries from it. It's only as dangerous as the idiot running it, like all power tools.
I've used it for everything from building fancy entry doors, making furniture, making knives, regrinding camshafts for an engine. Not much it can't do if you use your imagination.
Yeah shopsmith is awesome! I love it
The SS is not inherently dangerous. No more than any other power tool. John and his friends seemed to be dismissive of the SS before even finishing the set up. Yes, you tilt the table, not the blade. The quill extends. So what ? Lock everything down like you're supposed to and you won't have a problem. I've been using my model 510 for 30 years without a problem. I'm not a SS shill; I have and use a lot of Festool tools, I have a stand-alone jointer, also a Rikon bandsaw plus the Shopsmith one. I can have a small bandsaw blade in the SS and a big resaw blade in the Rikon. Flexibility. I had a Jet contractor table saw but sold it to make room. Oh, and talk about supposedly "dangerous" tools - a couple of years ago I got into old Dewalt radial arm saws. I have three: small, medium, and 'what was I thinking' ( 5hp, 16-inch monster). At least the tables will never rust. Those require setup, adjustment, and thinking about what you're doing since the blade direction can be rotated around and reversed. I've even (GASP!!!) ripped on them a few times, and almost no one was killed. 8-) They're not my 1st choice for that operation but it can be done in a pinch. The point is, proper setup and operation of any tool usually yields good results with no beheadings. The Shopsmith is a very capable tool with a lot of flexibility in a relatively small space. My $0.02
Yeah I agree. I use mine just about every time. Love it. I read all the manuals first before setting it up. I never had any problems. I'm with you on taking the time to set tools up correctly.
Great points!
I have the Shopsmith bandsaw as well as a Laguna bandsaw. I use the Laguna when capacity is an issue. I use the Shopsmith for most of my bandsaw work. Self tracking, that only Shopsmith has, saves me so much time when I need to change blades; that is the reason the Shopsmith bandsaw is my go-to most of the time
@richardmcmillan5916 no kidding..that's good to hear. I hope to get a SS bandsaw sometime soon. Need one bad
@@cannonwoodworking5917 Good luck in finding one. It's a great choice.
I have a MArk V since 1983 and had no issues, very solid machine. I purchased the jointer and bandsaw at the same time and have found nothing they could not handle. Like others have said any power tool is dangeerous, that is why you have to respect them.
Well I guess the upside to John making his ludicrous video is that I have found a new woodworking channel that uses the Shopsmith.
Good job!
Thank you for the compliment and thank you for watching the video. I started out by restoring old hand planes. If you are interested..here is the most recent one
ruclips.net/video/3PIyz-uG8Ak/видео.html
@@cannonwoodworking5917 lol ... I'm actually watching it right now. :)
When I bought my first SS brand new in 1974, there were no guards or riving knives for it. I have been using SS safely for 49 years and have never been injured by it. I always take my time and work carefully. Guards are good, but they don't fix stupid. I now have an upgraded 510 with the Power Pro and love every aspect of it. Blessings, Glen
Thanks for commenting and watching the video. That is awesome to hear. Your right blade guards don't fix stupid. My dad use the table alot back in 70's and 80's building stuff and did exactly like you mentioned earlier..he took his time and use good safely practices and never had any incidents. The PP is a awesome addition to SS!
Great Job! Thanks for making this video. You've got some great tips in here keep it up!
Thank you very much for the compliment and thank you for watching the video. I enjoy watching your woodworking videos and my favorite is your enormous cross cut sled
@@cannonwoodworking5917 BTW, I see you have the Veritas Twin Screw as well and are into hand plane. I am putting hand tools back into my workflow after a long hiatus as well.
@woodshop nerdery yeah I love the twin screw vise. I wa to get another one eventually.
BS You don't "own and operate wood workings most dangerous tool"
Clearly woodworking's most dangerous tool is John Malecki😜
Lol
You've got that right 👍
Hey guys if you get a chance, be sure to check out my latest video if you are in the market for purchasing a new table saw!! Im giving my reasons for buying a Harvey! You definitely are going to want to watch this one!
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Nice approach in your rebuttal. It makes all the difference in the world when you stop and take some time to get to know your tools. I doubt that John winged it when he added his CNC to his shop.
Thank you for watching the video. I'll have to watch that one on the setup of the cnc machine😀
Never owned a shopsmith, wish i had.As with any power tools you need to employ all the guards and safety systems recommended by the manufacturers. the vast majority of accidents on machines are caused by operator errors. They dont use the guards, dont have a riving knife and dont apply common sense..
Check out this video if you need any tips on keeping rust off your tools!
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You have it right generally, but the jointer is great for the same reasons the SS is, i.e. space saving, high quality and flexible. The jointer is not cheap, I’ll grant you that, but it takes almost no space and is easy to use. I store mine on a simple wall bracket. Did you know there are two tapped holes in the fence so you can extend it to whatever size you want? You show how to extend the fence on the miter gauge, but then you didn’t on the jointer? What many don’t realize is that a SS is a thinkers tool. Sometimes you have to dig a bit deeper to find a solution but it’s a joy to discover it when you do. Usually some shopsmith engineer already solved the problem you just realized you were having, albeit in sometimes unusual way. To me that’s part of the joy of using a shopsmith.
Ok thank you for the feedback. I use to own the jointer. I had alot of problems with that one in particular, and that might have factored in my views of it. I might need to do a video on making a fence system for the ss miter gauge.
@@cannonwoodworking5917 No problem. One additional problem people have is that the knob that tightened the fence angle is a very clever system that has two things it locks in. One is the angle and the other is the width. It is actually quite tricky to understand and very frustrating if you don't know how it works. You push it in and tighten for the fence, but pull it out to tighter the width position. It's brilliant once you know how it works as you can set both at the same time with one hand. For me, the band saw is the first accessory to buy with the jointer to follow. Thank you for furthering Shopsmith knowledge and enjoyment.
@Robert Cart no problem. I need the ss bandsaw badly. Since John malecki was considering of putting his unit in the trash I thought of asking him if I could buy his..lol
@@cannonwoodworking5917 😂
Thanks. Appreciate you taking the time to set the record straight. As for John, there is an old piece of advice he should take to heart. Please engage your brain before using your mouth!
lol..that is a reallly good saying!! I like that one..Ill have to remember that😀
FYI, Sawstop offers a riving knife w/o the guard as an accessory. Also, wonder if Sawstop could introduce a flesh sensing auto stop function using their fancy motor, if it could be implemented to function on all of their tools that would be very cool!
Sawstop COULD license their system to SS, but they've chosen not to license the technology. Sawstop is a great product, but their pricing puts them out of the market for most hobbyists. As far as their other tools, you'd have to engineer the cartridge assembly that 'grabs' the blade, not sure how you stop a jointer head or a router bit like you do a saw blade.
My Growth Rings actually did a note on that. Due to the narrow base of the Shopsmith stand, implementing the Sawstop technology would have been sustainably troublesome as the torque of such a sudden stop would tip the tool over.
The ShopSmith is a good light industrial tool and with a very small foot print. All you have to do is keep the riving knife and blade guard in place on the saw operation to be safe. Keep your alignment accurate and the wood cuts will be like butter, and no unnecessary pressure which could lead to an injury. Never use a power tool if you are tired and in a rush, a commons sense tip. You made an excellent video.
I could not agree more
Hi, great video! I subscribed to your channel. I found you through a Q&A with Scott and Tom.
I've owned Mark 7 less than 3 months and love it. I believe it is quite a safe system and very accurate once you've done the alignments (for 7 machines I might add).
That "person" is a baffon who had intentions of damaging the American iconic brand. Why??
If I had saw his video prior to 3 months ago, I may have taken a pass. I'm glad I have it.
Corporate sponsors beware, he is a danger to your woodworking brand and they should think twice about partnering up with him.
Again, great job, looking forward to your content.
Jon
Thank you for the compliment and thank you for watching. I'm hoping to have another video out this week or next. Right now I'm focusing on restoring old Hand tools
There are two "safety" things that are the most problematic with the SS. The rest raised in Malecki's video are generally poorly researched and more for clicks.
1. Cuts on the angled table are downright dangerous unless you can support the off-cut. Gravity takes it into the blade.
2. Simply remembering to lock all 5 pieces down. Most accidents are simply humans simply doing stupid things or forgetting one key thing. Adding 5 of those can accumulate the chance of forgetting, especially until you use the tool enough to have the 5-point check become second nature.
Thanks for commenting and thanks for watching the video. yeah I agree..everytime I use the machine I go through the 5 point safety check. The shopsmith is a safe power tool to use and fun as well!
Well done… the JM video was so full of falsehoods and over the top sensationalism… it is tough to figure out where to start explaining the truth.
However, you made a fine start at it!
Thanks.
Thank you for the compliment and watching. I agree that his video was a bit sensationalized
I own and love my Shopsmith 520.
I watched John's video and while I do not plan to incorporate a Shop Smith into my shop I appreciate that there are those out there that are getting use out of these machines.
Thank you for watching the video and leaving feedback. The machine is very versatile and I actually thought of selling 2 years ago..before getting the power pro which is a night/day difference. Now I can't imagine not doing woodworking without it
Love my shopsmith. Especially the dust collection on the table saw. I have had and used my SS for ten years. Never had an accident. Read. Understand. And follow all safety rules and instructions in manual. When I have had a problem it was because I didn’t follow the instructions. The SS is safe. Sometimes I’m the problem.
I would want to add some specifics for dust collection for the table saw. If you have a Mark V 510, 520 then dust collection is decent with the adjustable width on the lower saw guard. On the 500 or earlier models (which accounts for most of the used models) it's essentially useless without a solid dust collector (even then it's marginal). Running a 5hp shopvac on mine catches maybe 25-30% of the dust.
I have the Mark 7 with the DC-6000 dust collection, what is the best adjustments for the lower saw guard? I get a lot of blow back? I set it about 1" open gap to the blade.
Thanks for making another positive response to that click bait hit job. Keep up the good work. I just subscribed.
Appreciate it!
I told him on his post, if he cant work a shopsmith and feel safe, you dont belong in a woodworking shop. Ill also say that about a Radial Arm Saw.
Lol..that's funny. What are your thoughts on the radial arm saw?
Shopsmith can be setup to function very safely, which I have done for a couple of decades, and enjoy emmensely.
Thank you for commenting. I agree with you completely. Shopsmith is a very safe and enjoyable woodworking system
I own 3 table saws. And id still have a shopsmith if i found one for the right price. It was a brilliant idea.
Would you call a large multi tool dangrous if it was a Hammer sliding table saw with all the bells and wistels?
Good point
Wow! can you say "can of worms". I saw that hit piece video and now I've seen at least three videos in defense of the Shopsmith. It's gettin' real spicy in the woodworking realm ;)
Lol
Nice video. Malecki was just making a clickbait video. No excuse for not reading the manuals ir learning how the machine works - after all there's a mountain of documentation and tons of videos out there by people who want to be helpful & not just trollishly bashing. Ignore him & keep up the good work.
Thank you for the compliment and thank you for watching the video. The manuals have alot of useful tips and best of all..they are in English as Doug Reid would say😀
Thanks for the video...
My pleasure
Always good to see another ShopSmith user. 😎
Thank you for the compliment and watching the video. I really enjoy using shopsmith and that is why I did a video about this particular subject. How long have you been a shopsmith user?
@@cannonwoodworking5917 I got mine from my wife's grandpa after he passed away. It sat in storage for a long time while the family didn't really know what to do with it. When I started getting into woodworking they gave it to me. I've had it for about 2-1/2 years now, roughly. I have the band saw, the jigsaw and the belt sander attachments as well as a jointer that is pretty rusty. I have yet to clean up the jointer because I already had a standalone 6" jointer. The ShopSmith is my main tool, I use it for a table saw, band saw, disk and belt sanding, drill press and I've used it as a lathe as well. 😎
Great rebuttal, I don't own an Sawstop and never used one and I think John Malecki's video was simply bad on the merits. He poo-pooed reading the manual, he did not bother to set it up or use the tool as the manufacturer recommended, and called out features as flaws like the tilting table saw, the 'plastic' drive shaft, and tapered arbor. It was a terrible review. Shopsmith should offer to fly him to Ohio for a factory tour and training session, then he can redo his review.
Thank you for watching and thank you for commenting. Very good points! Yeah I watch alot of Scott's channel..My growth Rings..and he goes step by step on how to set the machine up properly. The shopsmith is a very capable power tool for woodworking.
Hey guys if you are interested in restoring hand planes/tools give this video a try😀
ruclips.net/video/3PIyz-uG8Ak/видео.html
Remember the Allen wrench?
I'm not following you?
I am not too sure I would hire this John Milecki. If he is as critical as has been mentioned, he may be just a spoiled child who has no patience.
lol..I think Scott over at My Growth Rings is going to do in person demonstration with him on how to set up the machine properly.
Thanks for a well thought out response to a pathetic and inaccurate video that appears to only be intended to sensationalize for his personal benefit. I just subscribed to your channel.
Thank you for the compliment and thank you for watching the video. Im thinking of doing a follow up video to this one to address some more points on the topic
I suspect Mr. Malecki is regretting getting out of bed on the day he and his elves made his… much commented-upon video. His “critique” of the ShopSmith, and the resulting chewing-out he’s received, can all be put down to one thing - failure to RTFM. If you’re unfamiliar with a new power tool, especially something as complex as the SS, the very first thing you’d do would be to RTFM, surely. By the way, I’d never come across the SS before Mr. Malecki made his ill-conceived vid, so for that, at least, I’m thankful. It may be that the SS is the most amazing bit of woodworking kit I’ve ever seen.
Lol..I really like that acronym..I'll have to remember that one. Yeah the shopsmith looks really complicated when you first get started..but when you get over that hump it is a very useful machine. In addition to the manual..shopsmith had instructional videos by nick Engler which were very helpful in setting up various functions.
@@cannonwoodworking5917 Ah, THAT’S the piece of kit that appears in background from time to time in Nick’s RUclips vids. Nothing slow about me… 🙄
You are being way to ice. John embellished the truth on everything he said. As such it is the only video I have ever seen of his except when Scott joined him to sort out his lies!!!!!. Longtime shopsmith fan here and owner.
John showed his lack of caring about his review when he held up the manual and said I'm not reading this. Only a fool uses a tool that he doesn't understand. You can misuse any tool and then complain that it is in the wrong. He probably got a lot of views and is happy with that.
Thank you for watching the video and for commenting. I agree with you 100%. If you read the manual..SS tells you in step by step detail how to use the machine properly. And like Tom said over at WoodshopNerdery..The SS is a very safe tool and I concur with him completely
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