There is nothing more subjective than what sounds "good". I think you're all crazy. On top of that, I don't even give a shit if you like my gear or not. Who cares. These vids are great because you can get at least of an idea of what these sound like before you purchase. And the way a cymbal sounds alone in the basement or in a music store with no musicians playing is 100% different when you bring it to the bandstand, so keep that in mind.
I didn't enjoy the 15" dark hats very much. They're called dark hats but I find them to be a little harsh and bright, I'm planning on buying the 16" extra dry's soon though! this video convinced me!!
When compared to the extra dry cymbals they do sound a bit bright. But if you were to stack them up against some pure alloys or heavy traditional they definitely would sound darker, comparatively speaking.
Thank you ! You picked the perfect groove do demo all the difference in texture of playing the hi hat . Superb ! Thank you dude . Greetings from Germany
Your new kit is cool but I really miss the look and sound of these tama superstar custom hyperdrives. This kit sounds amazing and for the price you can’t beat it. I have a tama starclassic BB hyperdrive kit and wouldn’t trade it for the world. The sound of tama’s hyperdrive short toms is heaven to my ears.
Nice video as always :) I got a 15" dual and a 15" pure alloy hats and what I do is bottom of dual hats and top of pure alloy !!! And I'd like to get (but Meinl don't make them) 15" Jazz thin hats have that extra dry bottom and that thin hammered bright cymbals on top
My favourites for main are still 16" extra dry and 15" dark. a 16" dark is still missing in the Meinl product line. At the moment I am using the 14" dark :)
I really loved the 15 and 16 inch hi hats, but I did not like the 18s very much. Thre only thing I looked about them was when you were playing them partially open... just my opinion. Great video!
Another gr8 video! But I think your bass drum and snare don't sound as they used to. Have you tuned them differently or is this some mixing magic? Lol. They sound amazingly nice btw.
Ori Partouche hey dude, I have the extra dry 10" splash too and it's awesome, personally I feel like mine decays a little to quickly though So I got the 10" extra dry dual splash and it's just that little bit brighter, you should try one out, best splash I've ever had, I also have the 12" extra dry which is great too (still pretty quick decay though compared to the 10" dual!)
I don’t understand the current trend with huge hi hats. I mean I’ve used some 15” k lights for a little while now, but 16? 18?? I prefer 13s or 14s, but then again I do a lot of studio work. Can’t imagine these 16 or 18 inchers would sound good anywhere but on their own. That being said, nice video 👍🏼
I do quite a bit of recording myself and find that (generally) larger hats have a lower fundamental pitch and are actually a bit easier to control in an overall mix. But style also comes into play here. If I needed a super controlled and cutting count I’d definitely go for a more tradition 13 or 14 inch set. Which is why I have a pair of the 16 inch extra dry hats and plan on buying a pair of 14 inch pure alloys.
Change out your fluorescent lights for LEDs! That's why the cameras fluttering. Some better DSLR cameras will pick up fluttering from fluorescent lights
Anyone ever tried the meinl custom dark hi hats? Need to replace my current sabian ones, they don't sound too good especially on camera and that sort of ruins my drum covers
Oh man, the Meinl 18" Anika Nilles has such a trashy China sound. It's really just two 18" Ozone cymbals on top of each other. I'd love to play them. Enjoyed this video.
I know that giant hihats have been the trend for many years now but I think those are absolutely gross. No definition. No clarity, no crispness, it just sounds like someone paired some chinas together.
Not to hate on you, my man, you’re a great drummer, but I hate extra dry cymbals so much. To me it sounds like you’re hitting a piece of paper, it’s pathetic. You can play what you want, but this is just my opinion. They sound like broken cymbals. Now people are gonna say “ohhh expand your horizons, they’re good for different styles, blah blah blah.” Trust me, I’ve been drumming for years and I know what good cymbals sound like and I know what cymbals should be used correctly for what music. To each their own, but Meinl in general for me just sounds cheap and/or broken. I don’t see what everyone finds so good about these. If you can give me one good reason, anyone, then have a shot.
I can try hahaha! The first Byzance I tried made me fall in love with this serie. I tried Zildjians, Sabians and Paiste, but never found the versatility I needed and that the Byzance Series could give me. But it's really a matter of feeling and I cannot roast you for not feeling cymbals the same way. But well, I will certainly agree with you about the Extra Dry series. I just cannot enjoy thoses cymbals, they lack of definition and they are a bit too dry for me, I would go more with the Dark serie that is a bit more wet. But hey, let's be positive! The 18" thin crash is great and you can make great cymbal stacks with their splashes. Moreover, they can be good with funky stuff.
I don't agree. There are different opinions out there for sure, and I can see that it's not everyone's cup of tea, but this immense amount of hate surrounding them annoys me a lot. I think there are a lot of styles which they fit really well in, and they're not that kind of overpowering, ringy cymbals. I especially love these hi-hats, because they can support the groove so nicely, and they've got a whole lot of articulation. And that doesn't mean, that I hate traditional or brilliant hats, there are a plenty of them which I really like, I just think these particular ones would fit my playing style the best. By the way I really appreciate your work, but I just can't stand these kind of argument-less, hateful comments. Cheers
LanceCampeau definetly agree with you when it comes to the crash splash and hats !! I think they seem to be more for the guys worried about looks !! I think nowadays some of these endorsed artists try and get cute and reinvent the wheel !!! Now when it comes to the ride dry rides work well in big band and jazz and are great for that style ! I also really like the dry chinas not so bright and ear piercing makes for a nice accent !! Hey lance i miss your cymbal project still catching up on old episodes !! Hope your well thanks
Brian Muehlher i wasn't talking about dry cymbals, i love them. I was talking about the opposite of them. And exagerating a little just to contrast my point with the op comment. Now i Wonder how could you interpret my description of cymbal type as dry? Cutting, bright, unidimensional are attributes of dry cymbals do you think?
AJ Glick exactly. Play what you like. If you don’t like dry hats then buy and play non dry hats. Simple as that. If everyone had the same hi hat sound that would be boring af. I used to not like dry hats until I got into meinl years ago and their 14 inch medium extra dry medium hats are my favorite hats ever. I play in a metal band so I use the 15 inch traditional medium hats for shows but any other smaller venue or in the practice room I always use the extra dry medium hats or the sand hats. The traditionals to me are the most versatile hats I’ve ever played tho. Super dynamic but also cuts through any band or any kinda loud music. They don’t get super annoying loud when u bash the side of them but still great stick definition and chick and sound great played loud or soft. The sand hats are super versatile and amazing as well.
It's sure that the Extra Dry series and all theses cymbals with holes are kinda very popular for taste reasons I guess. But I do not think it overtook the industry, I mean, you still have a lot of great cymbals in the Byzance series that are still very reasonant and balanced. You talked about the trad, but the Vintage Sand Series or the Dark Series. I like the Dark Series because it's dry, but not too much.
Love the way you looped the same groove and open hi hat fill with each set of cymbals.
The 16" extra dry hi hats are so very beautiful, such a beautiful sound
Your personal combination with the 16 dual crash has a killer sound :) best one imo
Lassi Drums samey same
8:16 that just gave me a heart attack
Why does it happen, with that cymbal??
@@namlu9979 because of how thin it is. He just didn't step on it correctly, he did it too hard.
i rly like how u always show all the aspects of each cymbal, thanks
killer little groove/lick you're playing at the end of each phrase to bring in the next pair of hats
Love how you're doing this comparison with such a fun and entertaining groove :D
WOW! These Meinl 16” Byzance traditional medium hihats sounds great! I love their sound! Nice video also!
Excellent comparison video! This is how it should be done :) I liked the dual crash combo a lot.
I never want to play any other hats after getting the 16 extra drys. They’re absolutely perfect
Haha they're my all-time favorites too!
The best side by side video I have seen on any product ever!!!
flutter is from fluorescent lights
Mel Abdo hertz vs frameratio
There is nothing more subjective than what sounds "good". I think you're all crazy. On top of that, I don't even give a shit if you like my gear or not. Who cares. These vids are great because you can get at least of an idea of what these sound like before you purchase. And the way a cymbal sounds alone in the basement or in a music store with no musicians playing is 100% different when you bring it to the bandstand, so keep that in mind.
OMG that grove was so fucking cool :-D Everything important Hi Hat play style has shown in a very cool beat. very informative video. thumbs up.
Amazing video! I love the 16" extra dry hi hats
Samuel Casarez jr. I love the 15” dark hats
I didn't enjoy the 15" dark hats very much. They're called dark hats but I find them to be a little harsh and bright, I'm planning on buying the 16" extra dry's soon though! this video convinced me!!
When compared to the extra dry cymbals they do sound a bit bright. But if you were to stack them up against some pure alloys or heavy traditional they definitely would sound darker, comparatively speaking.
Thank you ! You picked the perfect groove do demo all the difference in texture of playing the hi hat . Superb ! Thank you dude . Greetings from Germany
Your new kit is cool but I really miss the look and sound of these tama superstar custom hyperdrives. This kit sounds amazing and for the price you can’t beat it. I have a tama starclassic BB hyperdrive kit and wouldn’t trade it for the world. The sound of tama’s hyperdrive short toms is heaven to my ears.
Great comparison video. I don't understand why companies don't make these types of videos themselves. Good job bro, keep groovin'! DC
That bass drum sounds so good
1 and 4 are my favorite. This is a really good video, very well done and I enjoyed it.
Nice video as always :)
I got a 15" dual and a 15" pure alloy hats and what I do is bottom of dual hats and top of pure alloy !!!
And I'd like to get (but Meinl don't make them) 15" Jazz thin hats have that extra dry bottom and that thin hammered bright cymbals on top
Love me some Meinl Cymbals they're my next purchase...
No worries, I just need to buy that same hihat stand that changes the hats from time to time as I play.
Hell yeah! I like the groove and transitions
My favourites for main are still 16" extra dry and 15" dark. a 16" dark is still missing in the Meinl product line. At the moment I am using the 14" dark :)
I really loved the 15 and 16 inch hi hats, but I did not like the 18s very much. Thre only thing I looked about them was when you were playing them partially open... just my opinion. Great video!
Traditional and Dark sound awesome, its hard to choose one pair
Notification! Love your drumming man, nice grooves :)
How come when I look online for the meinl 16 extra dry medium its not showing the same bottom pair as yours?
Another gr8 video!
But I think your bass drum and snare don't sound as they used to. Have you tuned them differently or is this some mixing magic? Lol. They sound amazingly nice btw.
Super ,new ideas. On personal note of sounds... following you.will score. Points...
The sound of the hi hats sound really good, it's just my opinion.
Thanks mate. Loved that review
m really digging the 3rd set...but the step hatting of the first set sounds really nice.
The 16 byzance dry is my next HH !!
Cheers mate, try putting a low volume hi hat bottom on, makes a good combo, me thinks
The extra dry pair is defenetly my favorite, I have an extra dry 10'' splash and i love it
Ori Partouche hey dude, I have the extra dry 10" splash too and it's awesome, personally I feel like mine decays a little to quickly though
So I got the 10" extra dry dual splash and it's just that little bit brighter, you should try one out, best splash I've ever had, I also have the 12" extra dry which is great too (still pretty quick decay though compared to the 10" dual!)
I'm getting the 15 inch hi hats with my bar mitzvah money!
#1 are my favorites. Love that sound.
the 15 inch ones sound the best to my ear
the camera is fluttering because of the neon light
try changing it to halogen or some other kind of lightsource
Love the feel and sound of the firstset of hats, beautiful. Always liked sharp bright hats, but the byzance 16"dry very pleasant to listen to.
I don’t understand the current trend with huge hi hats. I mean I’ve used some 15” k lights for a little while now, but 16? 18?? I prefer 13s or 14s, but then again I do a lot of studio work. Can’t imagine these 16 or 18 inchers would sound good anywhere but on their own. That being said, nice video 👍🏼
I do quite a bit of recording myself and find that (generally) larger hats have a lower fundamental pitch and are actually a bit easier to control in an overall mix. But style also comes into play here. If I needed a super controlled and cutting count I’d definitely go for a more tradition 13 or 14 inch set. Which is why I have a pair of the 16 inch extra dry hats and plan on buying a pair of 14 inch pure alloys.
unfortunately my best hats are 13" so theyre really far away from the snare when i use a double pedal.. thats a bit of shame
The camera flutters because of neon lights. Change fps and you‘ll be fine. (fps=frames per second)
Thank you. Great Drumsound!!!
Love the 15 inch Darks. The Deep hi hats seem better as aux hi hats. Not much articulation with the Deep hi hats.
Do you have a vid to how to get your sound? Mixing eq etc.
What kinda hithat. Stand is that I like it
I don't suppose you would demo the sand hats? A comparison to some of these would be great.
I would if I owned a pair!
You should try Zilli Hand Made Turkish cymbals! Sooo much tone.
Very helpful! Nice video
8:16 WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
awesome video man
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!
Could you do another cymbal setup review ??
Excellent video
The camera fluttering is because of the fan dear friend. Maybe your light is somewhere cose to the light.
Fucking awesome comparison!
*_I was always taught; 'If you can't think of anything nice to say about something, then say nothing'... So, I'll just say nothing._* 😝👀😏
you just said a whole lot
@@jadeone he just said a whole lot about nothing.
Nice Play !! Nice Sound !! 大きいHi-Hat 最近、欲しくなってます(^^♪
Aww bro you made me laugh so hard at 8:17.🤦
I feel ypur pain.
👍👍Super sound 👍👍👋👋👋👋👋👋
Change out your fluorescent lights for LEDs! That's why the cameras fluttering. Some better DSLR cameras will pick up fluttering from fluorescent lights
Lucas Driscoll led flutters with even higher speed
Its the shutter speed.
Or you can just adjust the fps on the camera
Anyone ever tried the meinl custom dark hi hats? Need to replace my current sabian ones, they don't sound too good especially on camera and that sort of ruins my drum covers
Oliver Moore yeah you should throw the sabians in a box with my address
The camera shake looks like a ceiling fan was on during recording
Oh man, the Meinl 18" Anika Nilles has such a trashy China sound. It's really just two 18" Ozone cymbals on top of each other. I'd love to play them. Enjoyed this video.
1 of course😎
Same here ;)
1:09
i didnt even know you could use anikas as a non stack but i guess thats why they are called hats lol
Technically speaking you can use any two cymbals as a pair of hats. So long as your hat stand can support the weight.
I'm an electrician. Your camera is fluttering because of the fluorescent lighting that you are using.
Pegale en el centro al parche del redoblante por favor
Lmfao 15’ hats looks small compared to those other ones
Bro u need to adjust the shutter slower
I know that giant hihats have been the trend for many years now but I think those are absolutely gross. No definition. No clarity, no crispness, it just sounds like someone paired some chinas together.
are you a worship drummer? your sound really resembles a church scene to me
Not to hate on you, my man, you’re a great drummer, but I hate extra dry cymbals so much. To me it sounds like you’re hitting a piece of paper, it’s pathetic. You can play what you want, but this is just my opinion. They sound like broken cymbals. Now people are gonna say “ohhh expand your horizons, they’re good for different styles, blah blah blah.” Trust me, I’ve been drumming for years and I know what good cymbals sound like and I know what cymbals should be used correctly for what music. To each their own, but Meinl in general for me just sounds cheap and/or broken. I don’t see what everyone finds so good about these. If you can give me one good reason, anyone, then have a shot.
beatlesfan675 not worth the time
Wadsmitter you must’ve missed the part where I said “to each their own”
Wadsmitter it’s all good
I can try hahaha! The first Byzance I tried made me fall in love with this serie. I tried Zildjians, Sabians and Paiste, but never found the versatility I needed and that the Byzance Series could give me. But it's really a matter of feeling and I cannot roast you for not feeling cymbals the same way. But well, I will certainly agree with you about the Extra Dry series. I just cannot enjoy thoses cymbals, they lack of definition and they are a bit too dry for me, I would go more with the Dark serie that is a bit more wet.
But hey, let's be positive! The 18" thin crash is great and you can make great cymbal stacks with their splashes. Moreover, they can be good with funky stuff.
beatlesfan675 Expand your horizons, they're good for different styles.
I find the dry Sound disgusting
"dry" cymbals... worst trend ever. That said, the grooves were tasty.
I don't agree. There are different opinions out there for sure, and I can see that it's not everyone's cup of tea, but this immense amount of hate surrounding them annoys me a lot. I think there are a lot of styles which they fit really well in, and they're not that kind of overpowering, ringy cymbals. I especially love these hi-hats, because they can support the groove so nicely, and they've got a whole lot of articulation. And that doesn't mean, that I hate traditional or brilliant hats, there are a plenty of them which I really like, I just think these particular ones would fit my playing style the best. By the way I really appreciate your work, but I just can't stand these kind of argument-less, hateful comments. Cheers
_""dry" cymbals... worst trend ever"_
B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.
LanceCampeau definetly agree with you when it comes to the crash splash and hats !! I think they seem to be more for the guys worried about looks !! I think nowadays some of these endorsed artists try and get cute and reinvent the wheel !!! Now when it comes to the ride dry rides work well in big band and jazz and are great for that style ! I also really like the dry chinas not so bright and ear piercing makes for a nice accent !! Hey lance i miss your cymbal project still catching up on old episodes !! Hope your well thanks
Bright, unidemensional and cutting cymbals....they shouldn't even exist to start with.
Brian Muehlher i wasn't talking about dry cymbals, i love them. I was talking about the opposite of them. And exagerating a little just to contrast my point with the op comment. Now i Wonder how could you interpret my description of cymbal type as dry? Cutting, bright, unidimensional are attributes of dry cymbals do you think?
I hate the smell of rotten cheese.
Chase Deery Drumming Lol get off your high horse and just realize that sometimes people like different stuff than you.
AJ Glick exactly. Play what you like. If you don’t like dry hats then buy and play non dry hats. Simple as that. If everyone had the same hi hat sound that would be boring af. I used to not like dry hats until I got into meinl years ago and their 14 inch medium extra dry medium hats are my favorite hats ever. I play in a metal band so I use the 15 inch traditional medium hats for shows but any other smaller venue or in the practice room I always use the extra dry medium hats or the sand hats. The traditionals to me are the most versatile hats I’ve ever played tho. Super dynamic but also cuts through any band or any kinda loud music. They don’t get super annoying loud when u bash the side of them but still great stick definition and chick and sound great played loud or soft. The sand hats are super versatile and amazing as well.
This guy probably thinks Lars is god too...
PJ Jackson I don't think Lars is god but I don't hate him. Of course I still make Lars jokes though lol.
It's sure that the Extra Dry series and all theses cymbals with holes are kinda very popular for taste reasons I guess. But I do not think it overtook the industry, I mean, you still have a lot of great cymbals in the Byzance series that are still very reasonant and balanced. You talked about the trad, but the Vintage Sand Series or the Dark Series. I like the Dark Series because it's dry, but not too much.
Great video