On the later Windows 11 arm releases you can also run x64 apps. I've run Ableton x64 on my Windows Dev Kit with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx gen3 arm processor and it runs fine. Some 3rd party plugins may have issues, but that can also be true for older Logic Pro plugins on Apple Silicon Macs. Windows x86 / x64 emulation is now on par with Apple's Rosette 2, but clearly Apple's M series processors offer more performance than Qualcomm's 8cx series. Qualcomm's new Snapdragon X elite should close the gap.
The snapdracon x elite closes the cap to which apple silicon chip? there is a huge difference between the 1,2 and 3 series chips as well between base, pro, max and ultra series. So it would be interesting which one Qualcom targets with the Snapdragon x elite
@@tech-techover I have either low or no expectations on PC gaming because generally they're best on x86 platforms which they are developed on. I'll not be surprised if they don't do well on ARM powered PCs. I'm not sure about video rendering but we'll see. As for general use, they're nice and smooth as melted butter.
well on my m3max games run well even when they have to run through translation layers. So there is no problem with gaming on arm chips. And for all my work (large ccomplex statistical models for scientific papers) and also for photo and video editing the m3max is an absolute beast.
The 'cool' part is a big deal. I had a Asus zephyrus gaming laptop, and before that an x360 spectre, one with a Geforce 3060 and one with Intel G7 (Iris) graphics, and doing any kind of 3D work on them, you could boil an egg on the laptop itself, and forget about battery life. It'll be a nice future when laptops won't get this hot, even when doing heavy 3D operations.
I remember my old 3DO running on a RISC ARM chip and it was awesome for the time. I know that is ancient tech but kinda cool that they had to use non Intel/AMD because they didn't have console sku lol.
I wonder... Since Intel didn't allow Apple to emulate AVX so like you can't run Ratchet & Clank Worlds Apart on Apple chip with game portingtoolkit (which is basically rosetta + wine + d3metal and rosetta doesn't have AVX) How will that affect Qualcomm
Arm is the future. If they add also phone calling from the SIM card that is integrated to the 5g arm laptop, it will be a fantastic replacement for many people that they are struggling with Samsung dex and the limited apps of android or ios.
Ok they’re great at processing. But without native software and OS development … they’re moot. Until MS gets serious on developing their windows OS for Arm. It’s not going anywhere.
well my Macbook Pro has great software and even max x86 applications run absolutely great (you dont even notice that it runs through a translation layer) and even many windows x86 applications run effortless. So id assume that if Qualcom and co and also Microsoft are halfway serious about going with arm there should be enough software runnng effortless on windows too.
The only reason x86 is still here is because of its compatibility with all programs on computers and for its raw power. Aside from that ARM nukes on x86.
Conclusion at the end again: if you need high performance for video editing, gaming, etc., use x86. This means that the video contradicts itself between the beginning and the end. Mac's since the introduction of M1 chips are the best option for video editing and other high performance work. There is no x86 equivalent, nowhere. Gaming is for now the only x86 domain that’s left, but this will change. I love the competition, but most competitors do not have the value that apple products serve as an ecosystem. But I will love it to see how Microsoft and the Game publisher will try to sell the idea that all future games will mostly be served for ARM64 and all their customers need to buy new devices with less power, knowledge and ecosystem then apple. That will be the moment most will switch to apple anyways. Will be fun
At the end i was referring to my window counterparts I'm sorry that did not come out clearly 😅. Because ARM on windows is not yet doing heavy duty stuff. But that might change in the future if apps are optimised to run on arm.
Where Are you were saying there’s a lot of chips that are perform the M1 and the M2, Example the thread ripper, and new ryzen chips like the ryzen 7 chips
Leaked benchmarks on the M3 max show it almost on pair with the new Raptor Lake CPU and the GPU around a 4080 mobile or 4070ti desktop GPU. The X Elite isn’t close to that… By the time the that chip comes out it’ll be a few months until apple comes out with the M4 as I’m sure apple is releasing Mac chips yearly with their mobile chips.
Totally agree Apple silicon is definitely great and apple does yearly upgrades to their chips. But it would be great if they had a competition that supports windows and still powerful 💪😄
It was all ok until the first half part of this video. The second part manages to be wrong on almost everything. Gaming: Apple M series is running almost PERFECTLY several games trough Whisky + GPTK, and the performance compares to a 3060 (based on my benchmarks). x86 is still better at this, but not by a long mark. Editing: Ask anyone if they prefer a Macbook M series or a x86 laptop to photo/video edit. The efficiency/responsiveness is off the charts. Coding: You just fumbled the ball HARD on this, the majority of developers are using ARM to develop x86 apps, because the compiling time is blazingly fast. Yeah, shocker. If the conversation is around -> "LAPTOPS"
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It's about time we have those silent laptops.which are not macs but still offering great performance.
Totally agree 💯👍
I had a Mac, honestly, awesome performance... but, oh how much I hate Apple software
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On the later Windows 11 arm releases you can also run x64 apps. I've run Ableton x64 on my Windows Dev Kit with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx gen3 arm processor and it runs fine. Some 3rd party plugins may have issues, but that can also be true for older Logic Pro plugins on Apple Silicon Macs. Windows x86 / x64 emulation is now on par with Apple's Rosette 2, but clearly Apple's M series processors offer more performance than Qualcomm's 8cx series. Qualcomm's new Snapdragon X elite should close the gap.
Thanks for the insight 💯
The snapdracon x elite closes the cap to which apple silicon chip? there is a huge difference between the 1,2 and 3 series chips as well between base, pro, max and ultra series. So it would be interesting which one Qualcom targets with the Snapdragon x elite
Does running x64 apps extensively kill your battery life?
@@ocvjw8734 didnt notice a significant difference in normal use. But didn’t do specific testing for it
Rosetta can't emulate AVX due to licensing afaik and I wonder how this will affect the future of ARM
buy ARM Stock
Too late. Buy Microsoft stock before windows 12
You're right 😢
Through an Intel laptop?
Bought arm stock at 52.8. Now 67 🎉🎉🎉
10 years ago my professor talked about buying ARM stock and I just scoffed but BRUH what the hell is going on really
Can't wait for the next generation of laptops 🤗
Sounds promising i hope it comes to fruition 😌
Got myself a laptop with Snapdragon X Elite. All in all I'm very happy with it. It's fast yet frugal on battery.
That’s awesome I’m glad it hasn’t disappointed you so far
@@tech-techover I have either low or no expectations on PC gaming because generally they're best on x86 platforms which they are developed on. I'll not be surprised if they don't do well on ARM powered PCs.
I'm not sure about video rendering but we'll see.
As for general use, they're nice and smooth as melted butter.
well on my m3max games run well even when they have to run through translation layers. So there is no problem with gaming on arm chips.
And for all my work (large ccomplex statistical models for scientific papers) and also for photo and video editing the m3max is an absolute beast.
Do we see some Arm based processor for desktop or assamble pc.
I think for now it's just laptops
With tons of wattage and cooling arm's efficiency gains don't transfer over to pc usage.
The 'cool' part is a big deal. I had a Asus zephyrus gaming laptop, and before that an x360 spectre, one with a Geforce 3060 and one with Intel G7 (Iris) graphics, and doing any kind of 3D work on them, you could boil an egg on the laptop itself, and forget about battery life. It'll be a nice future when laptops won't get this hot, even when doing heavy 3D operations.
We are already there with the Macs. Now its time for PC makers to give us that kind of experience. Where we can run cool laptops and PCs
@@tech-techover Good point didn't think of Macs
Nice explanation, it helps me a lot in choosing what laptop suits me
Glad I could help
I remember my old 3DO running on a RISC ARM chip and it was awesome for the time. I know that is ancient tech but kinda cool that they had to use non Intel/AMD because they didn't have console sku lol.
yea, because my 10 years+ old laptop is still using for word and web browsing. that's why MS need to change to help ODMs to sell more laptop
Superb Content. underrated channel. Keep Making
Thank you
Snapdragon X Elite 🔥💪❤️
I wonder...
Since Intel didn't allow Apple to emulate AVX so like you can't run Ratchet & Clank Worlds Apart on Apple chip with game portingtoolkit (which is basically rosetta + wine + d3metal and rosetta doesn't have AVX)
How will that affect Qualcomm
It's only a matter of time before we get our hands on the Qualcomm powered laptop to find out if that is the case
good video bro this channel is gonna blow soon
Thank you hopefully 🙏
Arm is the future. If they add also phone calling from the SIM card that is integrated to the 5g arm laptop, it will be a fantastic replacement for many people that they are struggling with Samsung dex and the limited apps of android or ios.
Totally 💯
risc v for me will be the biggest platform change I'll looking forward to
still need 5 -10 years for arm cpu get in gaming windows
Ok they’re great at processing. But without native software and OS development … they’re moot. Until MS gets serious on developing their windows OS for Arm. It’s not going anywhere.
I think they will as soon as more arm laptops hit the market
well my Macbook Pro has great software and even max x86 applications run absolutely great (you dont even notice that it runs through a translation layer) and even many windows x86 applications run effortless. So id assume that if Qualcom and co and also Microsoft are halfway serious about going with arm there should be enough software runnng effortless on windows too.
Damn . I just bought lenovo x1. 1370p. Battery life only last 8 hours
Hopefully when ARM laptops drop, we could see better battery life.
hopefully. Qualcomm come out soon@@tech-techover
my laptop is a gaming laptop, it lasts 3 hours and I don't game in it 🤡🤡
The only reason x86 is still here is because of its compatibility with all programs on computers and for its raw power. Aside from that ARM nukes on x86.
Conclusion at the end again: if you need high performance for video editing, gaming, etc., use x86.
This means that the video contradicts itself between the beginning and the end.
Mac's since the introduction of M1 chips are the best option for video editing and other high performance work.
There is no x86 equivalent, nowhere.
Gaming is for now the only x86 domain that’s left, but this will change.
I love the competition, but most competitors do not have the value that apple products serve as an ecosystem.
But I will love it to see how Microsoft and the Game publisher will try to sell the idea that all future games will mostly be served for ARM64 and all their customers need to buy new devices with less power, knowledge and ecosystem then apple.
That will be the moment most will switch to apple anyways.
Will be fun
At the end i was referring to my window counterparts I'm sorry that did not come out clearly 😅. Because ARM on windows is not yet doing heavy duty stuff. But that might change in the future if apps are optimised to run on arm.
Where Are you were saying there’s a lot of chips that are perform the M1 and the M2, Example the thread ripper, and new ryzen chips like the ryzen 7 chips
@@fernandosalazar730ryzen is trash
Hi, but you make mistakes in the video, processor architecture named x86_64.
Please, Can you explain further so that i can understand what the problem is
We have some sweet Arm games on mac though.
Dad: What was x86?
DEC Alpha since 1992
Nope .. next is 128 bit we tha limiti wil be hit on tha ram. !!!
I would like to see both options. Just to add variety into the mix
I would rather see Windows on an ARM phone... microsoft can change the game and bring the fight to android and apple
running full office progam on phone and being able to connect your phone to a screen and use it as a pc is what I am rooting for
That would definitely be convenient for sure 💯
@@neutralgrounds07 Samsung phones can do that exact thing already, run office from phone and use it the same way you do on Windows on a monitor
Snapdragon X Elite beat Apple M3 and Intel i9 14th gen
Now that's the kind of playfield we all want 💯
@@tech-techover please make a detail video on Snapdragon X Elite
Thanks for the suggestion i will look into it 😃
Leaked benchmarks on the M3 max show it almost on pair with the new Raptor Lake CPU and the GPU around a 4080 mobile or 4070ti desktop GPU.
The X Elite isn’t close to that…
By the time the that chip comes out it’ll be a few months until apple comes out with the M4 as I’m sure apple is releasing Mac chips yearly with their mobile chips.
Totally agree Apple silicon is definitely great and apple does yearly upgrades to their chips. But it would be great if they had a competition that supports windows and still powerful 💪😄
It was all ok until the first half part of this video. The second part manages to be wrong on almost everything.
Gaming: Apple M series is running almost PERFECTLY several games trough Whisky + GPTK, and the performance compares to a 3060 (based on my benchmarks). x86 is still better at this, but not by a long mark.
Editing: Ask anyone if they prefer a Macbook M series or a x86 laptop to photo/video edit. The efficiency/responsiveness is off the charts.
Coding: You just fumbled the ball HARD on this, the majority of developers are using ARM to develop x86 apps, because the compiling time is blazingly fast. Yeah, shocker.
If the conversation is around -> "LAPTOPS"
That's will be a $hit
how