Learning about the factory 30% voltage cutoff is such good information. Everyone on forums always says to stay above 30% on the display, but now knowing that "30%" is already accounted for and running to 0% is actually the batteries 30% is extremely comforting. You guys knocked it out of the park with this one like always
Before I begin watching the video, I would kindly like to thank you guys for reading my mind and posting this video today. I’ve been itching to find results on the 60v|72v batteries for the sting r because I almost thought that you couldn’t upgrade them. I been watching since you guys had about 2k subscribers and your channel is growing fast by the week ! Keep up the good content 🙌
Excellent video! As a new Ebike owner, this is info I really needed! Can you do a video in correlation with this one to explain what controller I would need when I go up to a bigger 60v or 72v battery on my Sting R? And how you pair or program it to mate with the battery. Also, maybe one on motor size and compasion too. I will ultimatley be wanting the best battery, controller, and motor match up for my Work commute. I have 2 orders coming already from Charged cycles. Its cool to see you pair up! Awesome work guys! As always! Keep up the good work!!
We'll let @talariaboys follow up with the video, but all modern controllers like KO and EBMX have mobile apps with a guided experience for the setup. As an example, in the intro screen when you first power up the controller after installation, it ask you what battery you are using. You can keep tuning and make further adjustments, but the basic setup is handled for you. For commuting, if you are running higher speeds for longer periods of time, 72v is preferable. The EBMX app allows you to adjust the field weakening, which gives higher top speed by reducing the magnetic strength at higher RPM's. This is one of many features that can easily be adjusted to fine tune the controller for each rider and riding style. Although you could upgrade the motor for monster power, your Sting R already has a strong IPM motor that can handle more power and higher top speed.
@@ChargedCycleWorks Thank you so much for that info!! I am used to proramming gas engine tuners, so that should definatley help make sense of my gray areas! I appreciate the comment! I will hit up your Website again when I am ready to grab one!👍👍
@@ChargedCycleWorks Hi, and what battery need if i ride mostly hard enduro style? (like with my KTM 300 EXC) On rocks, in creecks, long steep uphills , where i need tons of torque, and i don't want to ride 70+mph in woods, but i need minium 30-40miles of range?
I love all your guys content. I would love to see a video just like you made with the batteries here but with all the different controllers that you guys have tested tried what are you like, what you don’t like, the interfaces of each one, ones that use apps ones that use displays ect ect
I kinda wanna grab a 60 volt and grab a controller later on. The extra range is what makes me want an upgraded battery the most and the fact you can’t drop a 72v on a stock controller sucks. I’d love to just grab a 72 and a controller at once but that’s a big stack of cash plus if you wanted to upgrade the motor in case of overheating. Sheesh
Thought about doing this to a Talaria MX4 but I decided why not just get the Eride Pro SS. It comes with a 72v battery and 12kw motor. Plus its lighter weight and has stiffer front suspension. I am going to pick mine up this week locally and I cannot wait! I do like the gearbox design that the Talaria comes with though but I know I would end up upgrading things to make it faster and it would cost a bunch of money lol
I would just buy an Ultra Bee for 2k more then a Sting R, and not have to mess with batteries or controllers for 72v/12kW, but good information. The heavier battery and controller make the weight pretty close. For $14kish the Stark VARG is insane with over 60kW/80HP. E-bikes/motorcycles are getting crazy.
Yeah I'm just gonna buy the ultra bee because I know for a fact I'll quickly get used to the sting R power and want a little more. Plus the ultra bee already comes with a massive 72v battery.
I think it's cool for y'all younger generation to be into something really cool that kinda requires you to understand basic electricity terms and math skills while maintaining long-term focus on a project.
So on the stock Sting R battery you're getting around 30 miles of range on trails and rocks/mixed use? I imagine swapping between eco and sport modes? I'm figuring out which bike I'm buying still, but battery options are a part of that. I ride single track in the mountains in oregon and wanna go to an electric. It's some dirt roads but mostly trails that vary from rocks to mud ruts up and down hills. I'll often ride 4-6 hours in a day going 35 miles or so. 50 on an extremely long day. Figuring if it's better to just get the big battery. Is the lid uncomfortable on that size? Pretty much debating between the Sting R and a Beta Explorer/Apollo RFN which comes stock with dirt bike wheels and a 74v battery, but I don't think anyone has larger/aftermarket batteries for those yet.
I'm curious if i get a 72v battery and controller does that make my stock battery obsolete or can i swap the battery's if i want to go on a longer ride? PLEASE REPLY
You can use any battery what you want, if you have a programmamble controller like EBMX or KO. You need just re-setting what type of battery you use. With stock controller, you can use only 60v batteries.
idk my friend has the 72 max from chi an honestly nither of us have ever ran out of battery even riding full tilt down a highway for abt 20 miles get the 72v tho the 60v is just better if you don't want to upgrade your controller when you get a new battery. @@zimbronrons
I'm glad there is more carriers selling the eWatt battery now. I'd rather not support EBMX, tbh. They seem like cool dudes, but they started this childish manufacturer war that has become really petty. Just fyi though, these batteries are cheaper to buy directly from eWatt (the manufacturer), just in case people are looking for the currently cheapest possible option.
True? I ride 30 miles to Meijer I have some hilly road I have to take a extra battery 20ah 48volts and it's heavy ,oh I just got lucky by inches! Deer 🦌
is there a way to setup a display or buy a new display to tell you exactly how much battery you have left with the upgraded 72V just like it does on the stock talaria bettery? without having to do the math in your head
I’m just curious does bigger battery better even when 72 volt but different AH. Does it really give more range/more power. For example biggest battery 72 volt-60 AH and 72 volt-51 AH versus smaller battery but same voltage 72 volt-42.5 AH and 72 volt-50 AH. Does bigger battery/ more AH better, provide more range, more power even when it’s same voltage (72 volt). I will appreciate for the feedback!
Yes you need to compare the voltage and ah. You must calculate watt hours to compare batteries range. Voltage X AH = WH. so 72x42.5=3060 VS 72x60ah=4320... So much larger capacity or range.
How comfortable is the Motoseat you use compared to the stock Sting R seat? Is it worth getting? The stock seat is so uncomfortable after a half hour of riding!
Its just a seat cover so just adds grip and good looks. You just need to ride more and break your seat in. or get some padded bike shorts, that helps a lot too.
You guys should check out amorge batteries, they are a Chinese compony and there batteries are allot cheaper. your looking at 1k for a 72v 44ah battery. they seem to be really good quality and I've never seen anybody have problems with them. I've had mine for about 6 months now and its been great. I've been pulling 28kw from it daily and it handles it great. would definitely be cool to see you guys do a video on it as a budget option and really test it out. the only downside is it doesn't have the stainless steel case and doesn't have any warranty. But amorge is definitely a good compony and they have good customer service so I would definitely recommend them. love the videos btw
which bike did you get it for? and how did you contact the company for it? what case did it come in or did it just come in a heat sink? sorry for all the questions
I like the looks of 72v 42ah. Ended up getting a surron instead of the Talaria. I love what chi has to offer but their compact 72v is only 38ah as opposed to the ebmx/charged cycle works 42ah. Feel like that 4ah would make some range difference. Thoughts?
Hey guys I’m in Canada and we legit have 0 options for batterys here .the ebmx 72v 42ah is 4500$ CAD after taxes and shipping . Jjst little more then I wanna spend, would the 60v 53ah do good with like 11kw tune? I ride mostly bike paths and trails not going much over 40mph most of time . Would I get good range with the 60v 53ah ? I just don’t know what to do no options where I live:(
If you have a Sting R, in short bursts perhaps but not continuous. The battery can handle it, so can the controller, but you'd need an upgraded motor to go with that much power continuously.
We have been extremely impressed with the stock mx4 motor, we just went to the sand dunes at Sandhollow and ran 20kw wide open for several minutes and it eventually overheated about 10 minutes in of literally wide open 20kw.
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Learning about the factory 30% voltage cutoff is such good information. Everyone on forums always says to stay above 30% on the display, but now knowing that "30%" is already accounted for and running to 0% is actually the batteries 30% is extremely comforting. You guys knocked it out of the park with this one like always
Before I begin watching the video, I would kindly like to thank you guys for reading my mind and posting this video today. I’ve been itching to find results on the 60v|72v batteries for the sting r because I almost thought that you couldn’t upgrade them.
I been watching since you guys had about 2k subscribers and your channel is growing fast by the week ! Keep up the good content 🙌
Anything electric is always upgradable no matter the application :) Hope that helps put you as ease sir.
8:55 was the KEY summary I was just going to create in XLS myself! Total Watt-Hours and weight. Excellent!
Just ordered my talaria I can’t wait to upgrade this bad boy.. keep the videos coming
Congrats! You'll have a blast
Great video as always guys. Very detailed and informative.
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Excellent video! As a new Ebike owner, this is info I really needed! Can you do a video in correlation with this one to explain what controller I would need when I go up to a bigger 60v or 72v battery on my Sting R? And how you pair or program it to mate with the battery. Also, maybe one on motor size and compasion too. I will ultimatley be wanting the best battery, controller, and motor match up for my Work commute. I have 2 orders coming already from Charged cycles. Its cool to see you pair up! Awesome work guys! As always! Keep up the good work!!
We'll let @talariaboys follow up with the video, but all modern controllers like KO and EBMX have mobile apps with a guided experience for the setup. As an example, in the intro screen when you first power up the controller after installation, it ask you what battery you are using. You can keep tuning and make further adjustments, but the basic setup is handled for you. For commuting, if you are running higher speeds for longer periods of time, 72v is preferable. The EBMX app allows you to adjust the field weakening, which gives higher top speed by reducing the magnetic strength at higher RPM's. This is one of many features that can easily be adjusted to fine tune the controller for each rider and riding style. Although you could upgrade the motor for monster power, your Sting R already has a strong IPM motor that can handle more power and higher top speed.
@@ChargedCycleWorks Thank you so much for that info!! I am used to proramming gas engine tuners, so that should definatley help make sense of my gray areas! I appreciate the comment! I will hit up your Website again when I am ready to grab one!👍👍
@@ChargedCycleWorks Hi, and what battery need if i ride mostly hard enduro style? (like with my KTM 300 EXC) On rocks, in creecks, long steep uphills , where i need tons of torque, and i don't want to ride 70+mph in woods, but i need minium 30-40miles of range?
I love all your guys content. I would love to see a video just like you made with the batteries here but with all the different controllers that you guys have tested tried what are you like, what you don’t like, the interfaces of each one, ones that use apps ones that use displays ect ect
Thanks for watching! Yes we are working on something like that.
You should check out this new motor upgrade from LA-Erides, I would love to see a review/install from you guys! Love the vids keep it up!!!!
Its a sotion motor
Is that the one surronster just posted of him doing 75mph over the LA bridge?@@ButteredUpToast
Sotion is the motor, LA erides is just a seller of them
cant wait for the x3 battery upgrades, im gonna snatch one of those up as soon as they're released
I kinda wanna grab a 60 volt and grab a controller later on. The extra range is what makes me want an upgraded battery the most and the fact you can’t drop a 72v on a stock controller sucks. I’d love to just grab a 72 and a controller at once but that’s a big stack of cash plus if you wanted to upgrade the motor in case of overheating. Sheesh
AWESOME video guys, top notch stuff I really hope this page blows up huge!
Thanks for watching
I really hope they start making these batteries for the Talaria X3
Great video! Useful information, Easy to understand.
Thought about doing this to a Talaria MX4 but I decided why not just get the Eride Pro SS. It comes with a 72v battery and 12kw motor. Plus its lighter weight and has stiffer front suspension. I am going to pick mine up this week locally and I cannot wait! I do like the gearbox design that the Talaria comes with though but I know I would end up upgrading things to make it faster and it would cost a bunch of money lol
I am sitting on this exact same fence right now. 🤣
I got someone that wants to buy my Talaria, so I might do it.
I bought my 72v 4:52 ewatt from pueget sound three months ago for only $2000. Its basically the exact same battery. It really made my nano rip at 15kw
Nice!
Range anxiety is subjective if I wanted to go 150 miles on my bike. I certainly would have rain anxiety, no matter what size battery I put in there.
I would just buy an Ultra Bee for 2k more then a Sting R, and not have to mess with batteries or controllers for 72v/12kW, but good information. The heavier battery and controller make the weight pretty close. For $14kish the Stark VARG is insane with over 60kW/80HP. E-bikes/motorcycles are getting crazy.
Yeah I'm just gonna buy the ultra bee because I know for a fact I'll quickly get used to the sting R power and want a little more. Plus the ultra bee already comes with a massive 72v battery.
Just get a motorcycle for those prices and size
These bikes are for metro crusing and limited highway uses in some cases
I think it's cool for y'all younger generation to be into something really cool that kinda requires you to understand basic electricity terms and math skills while maintaining long-term focus on a project.
So on the stock Sting R battery you're getting around 30 miles of range on trails and rocks/mixed use? I imagine swapping between eco and sport modes? I'm figuring out which bike I'm buying still, but battery options are a part of that. I ride single track in the mountains in oregon and wanna go to an electric. It's some dirt roads but mostly trails that vary from rocks to mud ruts up and down hills. I'll often ride 4-6 hours in a day going 35 miles or so. 50 on an extremely long day. Figuring if it's better to just get the big battery. Is the lid uncomfortable on that size? Pretty much debating between the Sting R and a Beta Explorer/Apollo RFN which comes stock with dirt bike wheels and a 74v battery, but I don't think anyone has larger/aftermarket batteries for those yet.
I'm curious if i get a 72v battery and controller does that make my stock battery obsolete or can i swap the battery's if i want to go on a longer ride? PLEASE REPLY
You can use any battery what you want, if you have a programmamble controller like EBMX or KO. You need just re-setting what type of battery you use. With stock controller, you can use only 60v batteries.
Yes you can easily swap back in your stock battery and change 2 settings in the X-9000 app.
Please tell me how to convert tons of range into either kilometers or miles. Really everything I wanna know I got 12 questions with that statement.
You guys should do some battery dropping content. Like out of hellicopters and stuff.
I love that idea lol
Voltage sag also depends on the chemistry you use... Lifepo4 does sag a lot less than li ion
im running a 60v battery on my sur ron at 16 kw with bac 8000 and it is amazing but it everything gets a bit hotter than a same power 72v setup
what 60v are you running?
@@zimbronrons chi max
@@neil9184 what’s your range like on that bad boy i like that model for the power and ah but 72v would be nice
@@neil9184 how would you compare it to the 72v compact
idk my friend has the 72 max from chi an honestly nither of us have ever ran out of battery even riding full tilt down a highway for abt 20 miles get the 72v tho the 60v is just better if you don't want to upgrade your controller when you get a new battery. @@zimbronrons
I'm glad there is more carriers selling the eWatt battery now. I'd rather not support EBMX, tbh. They seem like cool dudes, but they started this childish manufacturer war that has become really petty. Just fyi though, these batteries are cheaper to buy directly from eWatt (the manufacturer), just in case people are looking for the currently cheapest possible option.
Just saw that the CCW battery is actually the same price as buying directly from eWatt! Niiiiice!
Plus we have our discount code!
Should do a video of batterys here in Canada I’m trying to get battery but I’m stuck
Great review guys!
True? I ride 30 miles to Meijer I have some hilly road I have to take a extra battery 20ah 48volts and it's heavy ,oh I just got lucky by inches! Deer 🦌
Why not remove the 2 bolts that interfere with frame or find a lower profile bolt? Not a fan of dremeling the frame.
You could definitely try that.
is there a way to setup a display or buy a new display to tell you exactly how much battery you have left with the upgraded 72V just like it does on the stock talaria bettery? without having to do the math in your head
Not really
I’m just curious does bigger battery better even when 72 volt but different AH. Does it really give more range/more power. For example biggest battery 72 volt-60 AH and 72 volt-51 AH versus smaller battery but same voltage 72 volt-42.5 AH and 72 volt-50 AH. Does bigger battery/ more AH better, provide more range, more power even when it’s same voltage (72 volt).
I will appreciate for the feedback!
Yes you need to compare the voltage and ah. You must calculate watt hours to compare batteries range. Voltage X AH = WH. so 72x42.5=3060 VS 72x60ah=4320... So much larger capacity or range.
Can you make a video for all of us newbs and older folks that would make the Tallaria Sting R throttle less responsive twitchy
The only way is to go into eco mode.... or buy an aftermarket controller, you can totally customize the throttle feel with an aftermarket controller
i would just sand the bolt heads on the battery
That’s another good option
How comfortable is the Motoseat you use compared to the stock Sting R seat? Is it worth getting? The stock seat is so uncomfortable after a half hour of riding!
Its just a seat cover so just adds grip and good looks. You just need to ride more and break your seat in. or get some padded bike shorts, that helps a lot too.
You guys should check out amorge batteries, they are a Chinese compony and there batteries are allot cheaper. your looking at 1k for a 72v 44ah battery. they seem to be really good quality and I've never seen anybody have problems with them. I've had mine for about 6 months now and its been great. I've been pulling 28kw from it daily and it handles it great. would definitely be cool to see you guys do a video on it as a budget option and really test it out. the only downside is it doesn't have the stainless steel case and doesn't have any warranty. But amorge is definitely a good compony and they have good customer service so I would definitely recommend them. love the videos btw
which bike did you get it for? and how did you contact the company for it? what case did it come in or did it just come in a heat sink? sorry for all the questions
Updates ?
Amorge
How strong is that regen using the thumb switch? Is it one pedal driving in an electric car strong?
Its super strong and you can set it up how you want. but it can easily lock of the rear tire if needed.
Hey brothers, I love you guys' videos. Can I ship my bike to you guys? If you guys could trick it out like your please thats all im asking😅
Is there anyway to program the xxx other than cutting the wire or is there no button sequence
You must cut the wire!
I like the looks of 72v 42ah. Ended up getting a surron instead of the Talaria. I love what chi has to offer but their compact 72v is only 38ah as opposed to the ebmx/charged cycle works 42ah. Feel like that 4ah would make some range difference. Thoughts?
in same predicament
Yes you'd notice the difference in that AH
nice battery upgrade ！
Thanks!
what controller do guys suggest from that website for a 72v?
Ebmx X-9000 is the best around! Our discount works on it as well.chargedcycleworks.com/products/ebmx-x-9000-controller?_pos=1&_psq=x-900&_ss=e&_v=1.0
what kind of battery upgrades are there for a xxx, are these applicable?
Non yet but coming out very soon from Chi Battery Systems
how much power can you pull from the 72v 42ah?
22kw peak
Hey guys I’m in Canada and we legit have 0 options for batterys here .the ebmx 72v 42ah is 4500$ CAD after taxes and shipping . Jjst little more then I wanna spend, would the 60v 53ah do good with like 11kw tune? I ride mostly bike paths and trails not going much over 40mph most of time . Would I get good range with the 60v 53ah ? I just don’t know what to do no options where I live:(
Yes they 60v 53ah would be great for you and what kind of riding you like to do!
can these batteries work with the Rawrr Mantis?
No the rawrr uses different connectors and a different battery compartment
So if the voltage goes below 67 does the battery start to kill itself or is that below 61.
*61v The battery will cut power before it does damage.
@@Talariaboys ok thanks I was a little worried
What do you guys think about the chi 66 volt compact?
We haven't had a chance to test that one but its a great concept to be able to get some more power out of your stock controller.
@@TalariaboysI bought it but I already have a bac 4000 and I’m running about 11kw and it seems like plenty of power
Nice! ya 11kw is plenty for almost every type of riding! We run that amount when we offroad
Your saying with stock motor ebmx9000 and ebmx72v and u can push 20kw?
If you have a Sting R, in short bursts perhaps but not continuous. The battery can handle it, so can the controller, but you'd need an upgraded motor to go with that much power continuously.
We have been extremely impressed with the stock mx4 motor, we just went to the sand dunes at Sandhollow and ran 20kw wide open for several minutes and it eventually overheated about 10 minutes in of literally wide open 20kw.
Interested in maxing out the IPM and motors abilities thanks to thesting r mx4
Waiting on an xxx battery upgrade for more range
Coming eventually
Will there soon be options for the talaria xxx?
They have a chi battery 72v 40ah. Love to see talaria boys review it and explain the details bc I hate doing research 😭
So if I keep the stock display I still know the percentage on it?
The x-9000 controller comes with a new display, your stock display wont work with it.
@@Talariaboysokay and what about a KO pro? Thanks for actually responding to comments you guys are amazing.
Anything for the talaria xxx ?
Not yet but eventually
Anything for the triple X?
Eventually
Heys guys idk what to do , I have a mx3 with nuc controller and somone local is selling a mx4 battery or just go for this battery?
Sorry for the delay, it depends on the price of the mx4 battery but this is a lot nicer battery at the end of the day.
Is the discount code still valid?
No
I personally do not look at less than 65 miles range bikes
eWatt told me when I emailed them that they won’t sell direct .. 🙄
Ya get your's from Charged Cycle Works!
Would you guys sell me your old 60v ??? Mines recently died from sitting please let me know
We don't have them anymore sorry
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Does the bike sag alot
No these batteries hardly sag.
Every talaria battery is out of stock 🫨😭
Charged cycle works should be back in stock soon!
This must be the rich kids comment section 😂 If anyone has like 3 of these and wants to get rid of one, discount me 😢