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Another fantastic Hamercopia of Knowledge this evening. Glad to see John made it back from his trip but stoked to see another great lecture. Always a pleasure and keep up the wonderful work that you do for all of us.
I would like to express my sincere appreciation for this well founded presentation - as well as thanks to all those willing to learn what others run from - verifiable truth.
Merci John Hamer! Cette rétrospective de l'histoire du monde est fort complexe. C'est là que l'on voit, la population non-éduquée se fait manipuler et on voit des prises positions très radicales. On devrait se respecter mutuellement et former une fraternité planétaire. Paix Peace ✌✌✌
You probably think my petrol theory is a bit wacky, but so is Evangelical Christianity totally reversing it's attitude to Israel within a couple of generations.
Thank you, once again!! Happy to see how you take the historic context and current situation just as seriously as the theology and ideology, and in fact inseparable. I loved this channel for so long but its now so much more valuable to me because I feel personally seen and represented and my identity is valued... Especially now when many content creators are silent at best and sometimes even dehumanizing on the topic
Thank you for explaining the religious foundation for the wars in Palestine. Is not also that there is a geopolitical economic dimension, which we also need to talk about, that is being hidden (as usual) by the highly charged mask of religion.
Do you prevent links in the comments from your side? Or is it the RUclips algorithm? I know that external links stopped working years ago. But links to other RUclips videos should still work, as well as links to Wikipedia. Edit: maybe someone is reporting it as spam?
I watched your video last night and found it very interesting and consider yourself and the other church reps that visited the west bank and Israel in the interest of promoting some kind of peaceful future...I find it quite sad how the world sits on their hands as this ethnic cleansing continues for so very long and now is ramped up to the point of insanity... anyways a very noble endeavour on your part...I would like to address a question proposed by an attendee... when speaking of "god" giving the land rights to the Israelites... I've studied civilizations history religion and related subjects since a youth... being raised catholic and very much taken in by the Latin Mass (words of power impower many sects)...after many years of not understanding exactly who most christian churches recognize as the father of my personal favorite and Hero Jesus Christ...a white bearded figure w/o a name?... somehow the ancient god yahweh was inserted vaguely as "god the almighty"...I could not accept that yahweh..."an eye for an eye"...a punishing god...a vengeful god as the true creator and father of Jesus Christ...my point I guess is anyone that buys that story and supports the concept of yahweh as the creator and real estate agent are quite mislead... I've admired and viewed many of your lectures and don't recall your stance on yahweh... many orthodox jews buy this narrative and use it as the excuse to claim land rights and justify the horrific events that seem more like sacrificial offerings to their god...the entire judeo christian alliance is a mystery to me... knowing very well the words of Jesus when addressing the issue of yahwew...He certainly made it clear that yahweh was not His father.. rather rejected that.... even when referring to "god"...seems to mislead ppl...as the Source of the entire cosmic universe... yahweh falls quite a bit short of that...to say the least... cheers from Mexico
Dear John Hamer, Would you be willing to do a debate against Stephen Sizer? About the origin of Christian Zionism. The Standing For Truth channel, will host and moderate the debate. If so, pls contact them to schedule the debate, ty.
@flashgordon6670 Stephen Seizer teaches heresy. Arabs have no right to live in Israel. Nehemiah 2:17-20 Genesis 21:8-13 The origin of Christian Zionism is the Bible. Exodus 32:13 Psalm 105:8-11 Amos 9:14-15 Isaiah 60:21 Genesis 13:14-16 Romans 9:4 Joshua 1:1-4
Indeed ! I couldn’t agree more !…Free the Holy Land from the lies & fally of Islamist ‘Palastine’ ! And from the Arab Islamist colonization & occupation that has cursed it since the Hijazi savages invaded the Holy Land under the auspices of the pagan, heathen, Satanic Rashidun Caliphate !…CHRIST IS KING ! PRAISE HIM ! The one & only SON OF G-D HIMSELF !…
This is probably the first Centre Place lecture when I find myself not on board with the views that are presented. But it's still very interesting and I can't find fault with any of the historical facts being presented, nor the account of current and past actions of Israel. John also said that Israel is at risk of losing Western support "as the holocaust is receding from memory".. This is the crux though: I can guarantee you that in the mindset of literally every Jewish person on the planet, the holocaust is NEVER receding from memory. And I also think this is at the core of what Israel is doing: different political factions within Israel may differ on how to go about it, but moving heaven and earth to prevent another holocaust is the primary goal of every Israeli leader. I also think the concept of a genocide is diluted by calling any violent action that we disapprove of a genocide. If Gaza is genocide, why isn't Dresden a genocide. Or Hiroshima. Or carpet-bombing little villages in Laos. All terrible, despicable even, but genocide is something else. Consider the main genocide in the 20th century: the unprovoked premeditated destruction of an entire people, down to every last man, woman and child. On 7 October, Hamas raised all of those demons of the 20th century. They indiscriminately killed every man, woman and child they could find. That little strip of land in the Levant is literally all the Israelis have, and Hamas showed very clearly that nobody is safe there. A couple of walls and fences are all that stands in between Hamas' ideology and the final destruction of the Jewish people. Israel doesn't mind losing international support, they already know they can't count on that, they've seen it before. You can't lose what you don't have. In the words of Sun Tzu, "That ground where delay means disaster, is called death ground." Delay until Hamas finds a way to make nerve gas -or worse- means disaster. "On death ground, fight." Whatever Israeli leaders say in public, a two state solution died on 7 October. "Never again" is now. Yes that's grim. The international community can help by allowing immigration of Palestinians. Especially in the region, and perhaps in smaller numbers in the Western world. Constructing new cities in the region will require a lot of funds, too. It's better to just face that reality. No it's not fair, yes it's similar to what happened to native American people. But unlike America, there are really a lot of Arab countries with really a lot of space, and money.
HAMAS was literally supported and funded by Netanyahu and his Likud party over the past decade, with hidden agenda to divide the Palestinians politically in order to undermine the Palestinian Authority which governs the West Bank. Netanyahu was playing the old strategy of "Divide and Conquer". Where were your outrage on the fact that the Netanyahu regime was supporting HAMAS all these years?? You cannot have it both ways. LOL
What about a two nation one state system. Of course we are way off from any actual solutions but how about a single state with an upper house with three representatives. One Palestinian, one Jewish, one for all others, where all laws need to be passed through that house unanimously. Unfortunately it seems like we are closer to a Jewish theocracy and genocide a la USA and the Indians with imposed Bhantustans. To achieve anything else the Jewish Israeli population would need to feel the need to live in peace with their neighbors and negotiate which they do not currently. A first step would be for America to stop supporting Zionist Genocide.
A one state future in my opinion is the only solution.. but it's worth considering what requires "2 nations" as Palestine and the Palestinian identity is not based on a single nation or one religion but is instead a secular state-identity that includes Arabs of many religions including Arab Jews, as well as Druze, Samaritans, Armenians, Chechen, and many more religious/cultural/racial identities.... In my opinion this means there's nothing stopping European immigrants (of whatever faith) to become Palestinian, just as an Asian immigrant can become Canadian... The only thing stopping this is the attachment to a "nation" of a single faith, this is exclusionary and is confusing a biblical language describing something which is not our modern ideal of a nation-state.... Just my thoughts
In my mind, the only hope for peace is a democratic one-state solution, but it feels so hopeless, with the religious and Cold-War-Remnant reasons that the US will never support a solution that would potentially limit its ability to project power via an israeli proxy. I have to believe in South Africa as a model, as some of the same factors were at play there (SA was a supporter of NATO and staunchly Anti-Communist in the Cold War), but it feels like the circumstances are just so much harder, with governments attempting to ban stuff like the BDS movement, using the cloak of combatting antisemitism, when the Anti-Apartheid movement it was modeled on was a huge factor in putting pressure on Apartheid South Africa.
John!!! Thank you so much for your unbiased historical lectures. You sincerely changed my like. Forever in your debt sir!! Blessings on blessings on blessings ❤
Oh, that falacy that is the nation state. Britain isn't a nation state, Spain isn't really and even though France has eradicated its other Romance languages, there exist to this days Basque, Breton and Alsatian minorities who don't speak any Romance language at all. For Eastern Europe, the idea of the nation state proved catastrophic.
Sorry I am missing the lives due to my university commitments and time difference but thank you to the team once again for a wonderful presentation, delivered with respect and honesty.
Severely uninformed cover of the actual situation on the ground. There’s plenty of misinformation out there and you (or your researchers) seem to have used these misinformed sources in a very broad scope. I usually enjoy your lectures on religion, but if you go into political issues in the Middle East, you should have your information sources checked more thoroughly since this is not your area of expertise. Disappointing.
What is your source for the map on 1:00:23? In order to "criticize nationalism", you use Western imperialist and Christian chauvinist maps. Prior to World War 1 these made up demographic maps were propaganda weapons used to colonize Turkey and exterminate Turks just as they had done in the Balkans. Have you checked validity of your map? It claims Turks, Azerbaijanis, Turcoman and Crimean Tatars are different nationalities. It is that ridiculous! So I guess your anti-nationalism doesn't lead you to humanism but it does to tribalism and ethnic racism. Plus it is very clever (!) for a citizen of a western imperialist country to equate all kinds of nationalism to the nationalisms of your colonial past. Nationalism of oppressed nations is progressive. Recommending anti-nationalism to oppressed nations is reactionary. You can’t equate Zionism or Arianism of Europeans to national liberation movements of the oppressed nations.
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John, I really love your talks, I appreciate your wisdom. And like you, I am appalled by the devastation of the people of Gaza. And I do think that there is room to criticize Israeli leadership. However, there must be two sides to every story. As the grandchild of polish jews whose lives were saved by Israel when Canada closed its doors to Jews, I would have appreciated a more balanced ciew - for example that there were no checkpoints prior to the second intifadah - a time of killing of hundreds of Israelis in Israel. And that these killings started after Israel extended a serious offer for land and peace in 2000. From what I read from Palestinian leaders, the issue is the very existence of the state of Israel. And that they believe the Israelis can be driven back ( through violence ) to America and Europe’ (most israelis have descent from the Middle East and north Africa) . Palestinians are amazing people, but they misunderstand who Israelis are. They are the remnants of Jewish populations that are refugees from a world that has repeatedly killed and persecuted them. As golda meir said ‘our secret to survival in Israel is that we have nowhere to go’. I pray for peace, one day.
Thank you for your response as I can at least understand what you are saying. You make a good point that there are at least 2 sides if not more. This talk is from a Palestine bias and anti Israel, even seems anti U.S, certainly anti Trump alleging former President Trump is antisemitic. The majority of the U.S. does not think that terrorists should attack and rape and murder women and children in Israel and not a word about the Israeli and American hostages still being held in tunnels in Gaza.
For me, a really good and deep understanding of this terrible situation, without making one side or another ‘the bad guy’, is an Israeli journalist named Haviv Rettig gur. Rather than saying ‘we’re the good guys, they’re the bad guys’ he explores the way we fundamentally misunderstand each others story. He also rightly names Israel as basically a country for saving Jewish refugees of the 20th century, be they holocaust survivors not admitted to USA or Canada after wwii (they took all other displaced peoples, just not Jews), Iraqi Jews given 24 h to leave Baghdad, or Ethiopian Jews. Honestly, the Christian or Jewish messianic argument for Zionism really did not play a huge role in the formation and population of the country. I guess the Christian messianism always lent a hand to the support for its establishment, but the huge numbers of Jewish refugees with nowhere else to go is really what made it happen, in my opinion.
Israel is an ethnonationalist colonial fascist state, built on a colonial racist ideology, and exists solely through the violent ethnic cleansing of Palestine (the Nakba among many other events). Israel has always been the aggressor, but pretends to be the victim by creating enemies for themselves. It is obvious to anyone who has read the history of Palestine
Israel literally started with a massacr3 of Pal3stinians, Canada didn't accept your family but certainly other country would, there are almost 200 of those, it didn't need to be the country which is literally successfully doing the n@z1 project, an ethno$tate for a single ethnicity .
Read Isaiah 1. Is Jerusalem or its leaders known for their justice, righteousness, and pleading the case of widow and orphan - or are they doing just the opposite to the Palestinians? It should be an easy answer that is even obvious to the World Court. Those who side with evils of Israel are not on the side of Elohim or Jesus.
Funnily you talk about this horrible blockade from israelis "open air prison", yet you show a map showing that egypt also borders palestine! why does noone mention this?
@@RelivingHistory1if he was pro hamas i dont think he'd refer to oct 7 as a horrific terrorist attack. And to your point that Egypt (and Jordan for the west bank) also share some blame for humanitarian crisis, this is true but does not absolve Israel of responsibility for their contribution, nor does it mean that gaza & west bank are not 'open air prisons' of sorts. And I'm generally a zionist but refusing to acknowledge the lack of freedom of movement for what it is would just be ignorant- the question is whether it is justifiable or not.
egypt receives massive amounts of money from the US. do you think a nation with an extremely corrupt political class and a leader who killed dozens of protesters is going to pass up the money for principles? egypt keeps the border closed because sisi wants american money. its really that simple
@@RelivingHistory1History has shown that authorities in Gaza never manipulated numbers of victims that are being killed by the entity’s army. On the contrary, they even underestimate them as they take into account only verifiable victims, not all those who went missing under the rubles. On the other hand, the entity, which has been consistently proven to spread fake news like it did for the « beheaded babies » and « raped women » does not allow any journalist to work on the field and does not give any reliable numbers to account for the victims of its misdeeds, if at all.
Theoretically Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism may be distinct, but if protesting against Israeli politics is carried out by targeting Synagogues, Kosher Restaurants, Jewish Community Centers or harrassing Jewish Students on Campuses both seem practically to be the same.
They didn't even write their own OT. The Greeks did it for them. The first recruits were in fact Greeks, the others were recruited at the Greek Diaspora. We can tarnish all subsequent Empire re-brands of the Greek Diaspora - Phoenicia (very bad, tsk, tsk, tsk), Rome (very bad, tsk, tsk, tsk), Britannia (very bad, tsk, tsk, tsk), etc, but not even a blemish on the original. That's why you know it as the Diaspora, and recently they renamed it to the Jewish Diaspora, to get you even more off track. So to your point about Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism - yes, absolutely they are the same thing, because both Zionism and Semitism are based on a Fictional Fantasy book. Therefore it is impossible to not be one, if you reject their Fairy Tales.
This issue started when Protestants broke away from Roman Catholic church, Manual Lacunza started the false doctrine of pre-trib rapture doctrine and finished by Scofield,false doctrine/man made religion(refered to in Rev 13 as the beast of the earth-false religion/doctrine & worldly philosophies)
The State of Israel wasn't declared "unilaterally" but accordingly to the UN Partition Plan. The Plan didn't fail because of the creation of the State of Israel but because the Arabs of Palestine rejected to create their own state. Regarding the Origin of the Philistines, Gen 10,14 and Am 9,7 connects them with Kaphtor i. e. Crete.
Palestinians and Zionist were fighting prior to Balfour Declaration. UN partition plan attempted to legitimize this conflict. Jews should have been given all of Germany and half of Poland or equivalent monies. Not the Palestinian lands
They rejected the partitioning of their land by foreigners. Don't make slanderous accusations based on wild "interpretations". Also it might be of your benefit to learn how many countries were in the UN and how many of them voted 'yes', at that time.
The Arabs had good reason to reject the 1947 UN Partition Plan as was drawn up, because its a BAD DEAL for them. The Arabs (back in 1947) were the MAJORITY. The Jews were only the minority in terms of relative population. Why should the Jews get the MAJORITY of the land area while the Arabs, who were majority in population being accorded only like 30% of the land they had been residing since the middle-ages??? Logically it didn't even make sense. Be that as it may, just because they rejected the UN plan, DOES NOT mean Israel henceforth automatically get the whole of the land of Palestine. No. Israel still has to adhere to the national boundaries as drawn up by the UN. period.
Jon, with respect for your wide ranging knowledge, excellent speaking abilities, and compassionate heart, I would like to offer the following: you conflate ‘Zionism’ with ‘support for the current Israeli government’s policies’. I think those are two different things.
How do you expect Zionism to be realized on inhabited land if not the way the Zionist government has been conducting it since the foundation of the entity in 1948, even before when Jews in Palestine conducted terrorist actions against British authorities, going as far as assassinating a UN official ? The problem lies within Zionism itself and within religious litteralism.
Zionism has been a political movement from its inception. The politics of zionism has changed and adapted overtime, and of course it is totally valid to hold a zionist point of view divorced from the expressions of zionism seen in reality. But it is not beholden of someone giving a historical lecture on zionism to preface their use of the term with an acknowledge of the reality that there always exists a distinction between ideology and practice. We would not expect such a preface about communism were the topic about the Bolsheviks or Castro's Cuba, nor would we expecr such a preface about facism were the topic about Mussolini's Italy or Hitler's Germany. Such distinction are beyond the scope of a histroical lecture.
@@goaway9977 The state was established in 1948. So in 2024, s an anti-zionist someone who believes the state of Israel should never have existed, and a zionist who believes it should exist? Interesting that the one state formed in 1948 (and there were many) whose existence is questioned is the Jewish state. I don't see any movements to discredit the existence of Pakistan (formed in the same year, causing 14 million displaced people and 1 million deaths -- far more than what was created in 1948). I understand that its because the Jews came from 'Europe' and therefore 'were white' and 'non-indigenous' but this conveniently ignores the fact that the population immediately after 1948 became 50% jews of the middle east and north africa -- which I at least would consider 'an ethnically (or religiously if you like) displaced population from neighboring countries -- a situation that was happening all the time in 1948...
@@ronshatzmiller3683 Yes an anti-Zionist believes that making a claim to land based on religion is wrong, and that no one, including Jews, has the right to a religious or ethnic based state especially to the displacement of others. I don't really understand why this is a hard concept to grasp. Of course there have been other historical mistakes, but all of that is whataboutism. The existance of Pakistan and injustices in that nation have no bearing on Israel or its right to exist. I personally have no issue with Zionism or Israel. But the incompatibility of this state with modern western ideals is so blindingly obvious I don't understand why anyone acts suprised as Israel continues to lose support in the West. But who cares about the modern liberal values of the West? Not me. I have no issue with the Jewish people trying to establish a state, so long as I am not expected to support it. But I'll tell you who does care about modern liberal values; all the Zionists who get online everyday and run apologetics for Israel through a liberal framework.
I think the best answers to the problems have to be from the words of God in the most ancient accounts, since we now know Judaism invented much of what we inherited. God made a promise, but it was not unconditional for all time. It was a conditional Covenant and Promise. "IF" they were faithful to Him in keeping to Him alone, serve no other gods, and keep His Covenant Standards to be their manner of life and faith. They didn't. The records we have show God was faithful and the Land and Multitude numbers were fulfilled long ago. He said they would be destroyed from the Land if they became evil - repeatedly they did as He told them not to - and He was faithful to His Covenant and Promises to have then exiled and then finally driven from the Land. Jews understand the Diaspora from the Land - Zionists don't, and claim the promise, but then doing it by their own means: "I did it my way" , not as told by Elohim. If He banished them - it is still per what He said to start with. Therefore - as Isaiah 42 ends - they will burn and not even know why - because they continue to fail their part of the Covenant Standards. Onediscipletoanother
We didnt offer humanitarian aid to the Germans or Japanese until they surrendered. Hamas should never have attacked Isreal and should surrender, if only to save what's left of the Palestinian people.
Israel ignores and defies the international law governing the actions of an occupying force... It doesn't matter what you, and your friend Bibi, think and it's disgusting that they have been permitted to ethnically cleanse and destroy Palestine, with full impunity, by the zionist-controlled USA Congress - 70% of the official toll (hugely understated) of the zionist terrorist force are children and women - even if you believe all the men are kkkHamas, that's not many freedom fighters eliminated, is it? Just lots of babies, children and women...
The IDF has done the destruction of Hamas x10000, Hamas emerged decades after the creation of the state of Israel in 1948- in response to Israeli occupation. What kind of comparison is this? The Israelis are the Axis powers in this situation. Just like imperial Japan and the Third Reich, the Modern state of Israel defines itself in nationalist and ethnocratic terms (“self-determination in Israel” is “limited to Jews”, “Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people”… despite there being 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel proper). Just like the German “lebensraum” ideology and desire to conquer all of Europe, Israel has continuously illegally annexed more and more Palestinian land far beyond its borders, promotes a plan of “Greater Israel”, and invites Jews all throughout the diaspora to come settle in the West Bank and steal homes that aren’t theirs with their “Jewish right of return”- while Palestinians remain refugees. Just like the fascist powers of Germany, Italy, and Japan, Israel is a a rogue state that acts lawlessly and refuses to abide by international law. Israel is not some sort of victim nation- Israel has all of the money, power, resources, and backing of all of the global superpowers, while Palestinians have no statehood at all. The lives and livelihoods of the Palestinians are dependent on Israel and what Israel wants, not the other way around. The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, in which 17 Germans were killed and 93 were wounded is incomparable to the Holocaust, Kristallnacht or any other pogroms or massacres. Similarly, the existence of Hamas and the October 7th attack (the casualties of which are not even a fraction of the casualties caused by the Israeli government & military) is in no way comparable to the the ethnic cleansing which has taken place in Palestine beginning with the Nakba in 1948 and continuing today, the legalized apartheid of the Israeli government, the illegal occupation of Palestinian territories since 1967, and the 20+ massacres committed by the IDF as well as zionist militias (1948 Deir Yassin Masscare, 1937/1939/1947 Haifa Massacres, 1994 Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre, 2002 Jenin Refugee Camp Massacre, 2012 Gaza Massacre, 2014 Gaza Massacre just to name a few). Israel didn’t start doing any of its atrocities because of “Hamas”, so it’s delusional to believe that they would stop if Hamas disbanded tomorrow. Palestinians, like any other people, won’t just lay down and die just because Israel and the politicians in Washington its bribed said to do so. Hamas will continue to exist insofar as Israel continues to starve and kill Palestinians, refuse to consider them as equal citizens, refuse to recognize the official borders of Palestine, and continues to occupy and settle in their land. “Israel should never have attacked Palestine or come up with the crackpot idea to “create” a nation where a country already existed and should surrender, if only to save what’s left to the Israeli people.”
@@theheartpart5 'israel is the nation-state of the jewish people' is there something wrong with that? I mean nobody is debating that the French deserve a France for the French people, or China for the Chinese... So why not an Israel for the Israelites? And conquering your neighbors to vassal-ize or colonize them is the historical norm, not the exception. How do you think arabs ended up all over the place outside of arabia? Not that it matters tho because youre just copy pasting, if youre even a human at all
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Jesus is still under the rubble
My boyfriend got me hooked on your lectures and now we watch them on date nights..I'm glad you returned safely ❤
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Thanks!
Another fantastic Hamercopia of Knowledge this evening. Glad to see John made it back from his trip but stoked to see another great lecture. Always a pleasure and keep up the wonderful work that you do for all of us.
I have seen this comment so much I couldn't imagine not seeing it anymore. It makes me smile
I would like to express my sincere appreciation for this well founded presentation - as well as thanks to all those willing to learn what others run from - verifiable truth.
So, to recap, you lack discernment as well as any knowledge of the real world... you LEMMING 😢
Merci John Hamer! Cette rétrospective de l'histoire du monde est fort complexe.
C'est là que l'on voit, la population non-éduquée se fait manipuler et on voit des prises positions très radicales.
On devrait se respecter mutuellement et former une fraternité planétaire. Paix Peace ✌✌✌
You probably think my petrol theory is a bit wacky, but so is Evangelical Christianity totally reversing it's attitude to Israel within a couple of generations.
Thank you, once again!! Happy to see how you take the historic context and current situation just as seriously as the theology and ideology, and in fact inseparable. I loved this channel for so long but its now so much more valuable to me because I feel personally seen and represented and my identity is valued... Especially now when many content creators are silent at best and sometimes even dehumanizing on the topic
Thank you for explaining the religious foundation for the wars in Palestine.
Is not also that there is a geopolitical economic dimension, which we also need to talk about, that is being hidden (as usual) by the highly charged mask of religion.
John bringing in the receipts, that's some 'street creed' if I've ever seen it. Thanks for both the amazing lecture (as always) and ground reporting!
Do you prevent links in the comments from your side? Or is it the RUclips algorithm?
I know that external links stopped working years ago. But links to other RUclips videos should still work, as well as links to Wikipedia.
Edit: maybe someone is reporting it as spam?
I used to try and list links in my RUclips comments, but I stopped because they kept getting blocked. No matter what channel I was on.
It's youtube
Thank you John. Happy Thanksgiving to all. Blessings 🙏 and prayers to all.
Well-done lecture and insights from recent pilgrimages. Thanks for the ministry. 🙏🏼
The most important part of this lecture, is from the time stamp 31:00 onwards?!
I watched your video last night and found it very interesting and consider yourself and the other church reps that visited the west bank and Israel in the interest of promoting some kind of peaceful future...I find it quite sad how the world sits on their hands as this ethnic cleansing continues for so very long and now is ramped up to the point of insanity... anyways a very noble endeavour on your part...I would like to address a question proposed by an attendee... when speaking of "god" giving the land rights to the Israelites... I've studied civilizations history religion and related subjects since a youth... being raised catholic and very much taken in by the Latin Mass (words of power impower many sects)...after many years of not understanding exactly who most christian churches recognize as the father of my personal favorite and Hero Jesus Christ...a white bearded figure w/o a name?... somehow the ancient god yahweh was inserted vaguely as "god the almighty"...I could not accept that yahweh..."an eye for an eye"...a punishing god...a vengeful god as the true creator and father of Jesus Christ...my point I guess is anyone that buys that story and supports the concept of yahweh as the creator and real estate agent are quite mislead... I've admired and viewed many of your lectures and don't recall your stance on yahweh... many orthodox jews buy this narrative and use it as the excuse to claim land rights and justify the horrific events that seem more like sacrificial offerings to their god...the entire judeo christian alliance is a mystery to me... knowing very well the words of Jesus when addressing the issue of yahwew...He certainly made it clear that yahweh was not His father..
rather rejected that.... even when referring to "god"...seems to mislead ppl...as the Source of the entire cosmic universe... yahweh falls quite a bit short of that...to say the least... cheers from Mexico
Thanks for shedding light on what Israel is doing
Thank you so much, it has changed my life since discovering this community. You're a brilliant leader John
Well done John! This was a great lecture.
Great topic.
I am bummed I missed it because I have been holding a question……….well, it won’t expire so I’ll catch you next time.
They take late questions on their podcast. The first few minutes are them answering questions they didn’t get to in the live stream
@@alangriffin8146 There's a podcast?
@ yeah, it’s not very old, but there’s a playlist for it on here. Let there be Answers. Like three episodes so far with John and Leandro.
Dear John Hamer, Would you be willing to do a debate against Stephen Sizer? About the origin of Christian Zionism. The Standing For Truth channel, will host and moderate the debate. If so, pls contact them to schedule the debate, ty.
@flashgordon6670
Stephen Seizer teaches heresy.
Arabs have no right to live in Israel.
Nehemiah 2:17-20
Genesis 21:8-13
The origin of Christian Zionism is the Bible.
Exodus 32:13
Psalm 105:8-11
Amos 9:14-15
Isaiah 60:21
Genesis 13:14-16
Romans 9:4
Joshua 1:1-4
Great lecture. I’m surprised the view count on this lesson is so low!…..
Thank you
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Yes. A fine notion. It’s always been too pricey !..
Yes indeed my friend
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Indeed ! I couldn’t agree more !…Free the Holy Land from the lies & fally of Islamist ‘Palastine’ ! And from the Arab Islamist colonization & occupation that has cursed it since the Hijazi savages invaded the Holy Land under the auspices of the pagan, heathen, Satanic Rashidun Caliphate !…CHRIST IS KING ! PRAISE HIM ! The one & only SON OF G-D HIMSELF !…
@@karimmansour3538 At long last ! I’ve been paying far too much for a place that doesn’t exist for FAR too long !…
This is probably the first Centre Place lecture when I find myself not on board with the views that are presented. But it's still very interesting and I can't find fault with any of the historical facts being presented, nor the account of current and past actions of Israel. John also said that Israel is at risk of losing Western support "as the holocaust is receding from memory".. This is the crux though: I can guarantee you that in the mindset of literally every Jewish person on the planet, the holocaust is NEVER receding from memory. And I also think this is at the core of what Israel is doing: different political factions within Israel may differ on how to go about it, but moving heaven and earth to prevent another holocaust is the primary goal of every Israeli leader.
I also think the concept of a genocide is diluted by calling any violent action that we disapprove of a genocide. If Gaza is genocide, why isn't Dresden a genocide. Or Hiroshima. Or carpet-bombing little villages in Laos. All terrible, despicable even, but genocide is something else. Consider the main genocide in the 20th century: the unprovoked premeditated destruction of an entire people, down to every last man, woman and child. On 7 October, Hamas raised all of those demons of the 20th century. They indiscriminately killed every man, woman and child they could find.
That little strip of land in the Levant is literally all the Israelis have, and Hamas showed very clearly that nobody is safe there. A couple of walls and fences are all that stands in between Hamas' ideology and the final destruction of the Jewish people. Israel doesn't mind losing international support, they already know they can't count on that, they've seen it before. You can't lose what you don't have.
In the words of Sun Tzu, "That ground where delay means disaster, is called death ground." Delay until Hamas finds a way to make nerve gas -or worse- means disaster. "On death ground, fight." Whatever Israeli leaders say in public, a two state solution died on 7 October. "Never again" is now. Yes that's grim.
The international community can help by allowing immigration of Palestinians. Especially in the region, and perhaps in smaller numbers in the Western world. Constructing new cities in the region will require a lot of funds, too. It's better to just face that reality. No it's not fair, yes it's similar to what happened to native American people. But unlike America, there are really a lot of Arab countries with really a lot of space, and money.
HAMAS was literally supported and funded by Netanyahu and his Likud party over the past decade, with hidden agenda to divide the Palestinians politically in order to undermine the Palestinian Authority which governs the West Bank.
Netanyahu was playing the old strategy of "Divide and Conquer". Where were your outrage on the fact that the Netanyahu regime was supporting HAMAS all these years??
You cannot have it both ways. LOL
What about a two nation one state system. Of course we are way off from any actual solutions but how about a single state with an upper house with three representatives. One Palestinian, one Jewish, one for all others, where all laws need to be passed through that house unanimously. Unfortunately it seems like we are closer to a Jewish theocracy and genocide a la USA and the Indians with imposed Bhantustans. To achieve anything else the Jewish Israeli population would need to feel the need to live in peace with their neighbors and negotiate which they do not currently. A first step would be for America to stop supporting Zionist Genocide.
A one state future in my opinion is the only solution.. but it's worth considering what requires "2 nations" as Palestine and the Palestinian identity is not based on a single nation or one religion but is instead a secular state-identity that includes Arabs of many religions including Arab Jews, as well as Druze, Samaritans, Armenians, Chechen, and many more religious/cultural/racial identities.... In my opinion this means there's nothing stopping European immigrants (of whatever faith) to become Palestinian, just as an Asian immigrant can become Canadian... The only thing stopping this is the attachment to a "nation" of a single faith, this is exclusionary and is confusing a biblical language describing something which is not our modern ideal of a nation-state.... Just my thoughts
In my mind, the only hope for peace is a democratic one-state solution, but it feels so hopeless, with the religious and Cold-War-Remnant reasons that the US will never support a solution that would potentially limit its ability to project power via an israeli proxy. I have to believe in South Africa as a model, as some of the same factors were at play there (SA was a supporter of NATO and staunchly Anti-Communist in the Cold War), but it feels like the circumstances are just so much harder, with governments attempting to ban stuff like the BDS movement, using the cloak of combatting antisemitism, when the Anti-Apartheid movement it was modeled on was a huge factor in putting pressure on Apartheid South Africa.
John!!! Thank you so much for your unbiased historical lectures. You sincerely changed my like. Forever in your debt sir!! Blessings on blessings on blessings ❤
this lecture is not without bias
Oh, that falacy that is the nation state. Britain isn't a nation state, Spain isn't really and even though France has eradicated its other Romance languages, there exist to this days Basque, Breton and Alsatian minorities who don't speak any Romance language at all. For Eastern Europe, the idea of the nation state proved catastrophic.
Superb. Thank you.
Just read "A History of Central Banking" - it's inescapable.
Sorry I am missing the lives due to my university commitments and time difference but thank you to the team once again for a wonderful presentation, delivered with respect and honesty.
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Was looking forward to this!
Severely uninformed cover of the actual situation on the ground. There’s plenty of misinformation out there and you (or your researchers) seem to have used these misinformed sources in a very broad scope.
I usually enjoy your lectures on religion, but if you go into political issues in the Middle East, you should have your information sources checked more thoroughly since this is not your area of expertise.
Disappointing.
Also disappointed here .
What specifically in his statements do you find issue with?
Provide corrections then
What is your source for the map on 1:00:23? In order to "criticize nationalism", you use Western imperialist and Christian chauvinist maps. Prior to World War 1 these made up demographic maps were propaganda weapons used to colonize Turkey and exterminate Turks just as they had done in the Balkans. Have you checked validity of your map? It claims Turks, Azerbaijanis, Turcoman and Crimean Tatars are different nationalities. It is that ridiculous! So I guess your anti-nationalism doesn't lead you to humanism but it does to tribalism and ethnic racism. Plus it is very clever (!) for a citizen of a western imperialist country to equate all kinds of nationalism to the nationalisms of your colonial past. Nationalism of oppressed nations is progressive. Recommending anti-nationalism to oppressed nations is reactionary. You can’t equate Zionism or Arianism of Europeans to national liberation movements of the oppressed nations.
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Oh wow, schizophrenia in the wild
@@loganperry5669 HEY., Jerk! :: John Steinbeck.,? Author of renown! :: Do the work., U lazy ass - nut job!
I don't even begin to understand what oc is trying to say @@loganperry5669
John, I really love your talks, I appreciate your wisdom. And like you, I am appalled by the devastation of the people of Gaza. And I do think that there is room to criticize Israeli leadership. However, there must be two sides to every story. As the grandchild of polish jews whose lives were saved by Israel when Canada closed its doors to Jews, I would have appreciated a more balanced ciew - for example that there were no checkpoints prior to the second intifadah - a time of killing of hundreds of Israelis in Israel. And that these killings started after Israel extended a serious offer for land and peace in 2000. From what I read from Palestinian leaders, the issue is the very existence of the state of Israel. And that they believe the Israelis can be driven back ( through violence ) to America and Europe’ (most israelis have descent from the Middle East and north Africa) . Palestinians are amazing people, but they misunderstand who Israelis are. They are the remnants of Jewish populations that are refugees from a world that has repeatedly killed and persecuted them. As golda meir said ‘our secret to survival in Israel is that we have nowhere to go’. I pray for peace, one day.
Thank you for your response as I can at least understand what you are saying. You make a good point that there are at least 2 sides if not more. This talk is from a Palestine bias and anti Israel, even seems anti U.S, certainly anti Trump alleging former President Trump is antisemitic. The majority of the U.S. does not think that terrorists should attack and rape and murder women and children in Israel and not a word about the Israeli and American hostages still being held in tunnels in Gaza.
For me, a really good and deep understanding of this terrible situation, without making one side or another ‘the bad guy’, is an Israeli journalist named Haviv Rettig gur. Rather than saying ‘we’re the good guys, they’re the bad guys’ he explores the way we fundamentally misunderstand each others story. He also rightly names Israel as basically a country for saving Jewish refugees of the 20th century, be they holocaust survivors not admitted to USA or Canada after wwii (they took all other displaced peoples, just not Jews), Iraqi Jews given 24 h to leave Baghdad, or Ethiopian Jews. Honestly, the Christian or Jewish messianic argument for Zionism really did not play a huge role in the formation and population of the country. I guess the Christian messianism always lent a hand to the support for its establishment, but the huge numbers of Jewish refugees with nowhere else to go is really what made it happen, in my opinion.
Israel is an ethnonationalist colonial fascist state, built on a colonial racist ideology, and exists solely through the violent ethnic cleansing of Palestine (the Nakba among many other events). Israel has always been the aggressor, but pretends to be the victim by creating enemies for themselves. It is obvious to anyone who has read the history of Palestine
You are brainwashed to believe in a genocidal, demonic ideology. It is clear. You are wrong. It is genocide.
Israel literally started with a massacr3 of Pal3stinians, Canada didn't accept your family but certainly other country would, there are almost 200 of those, it didn't need to be the country which is literally successfully doing the n@z1 project, an ethno$tate for a single ethnicity .
Read Isaiah 1. Is Jerusalem or its leaders known for their justice, righteousness, and pleading the case of widow and orphan - or are they doing just the opposite to the Palestinians? It should be an easy answer that is even obvious to the World Court. Those who side with evils of Israel are not on the side of Elohim or Jesus.
Funnily you talk about this horrible blockade from israelis "open air prison", yet you show a map showing that egypt also borders palestine! why does noone mention this?
And you take hammas numbers as fact. This talk is just pro-hammas talking points. How sad.
@@RelivingHistory1if he was pro hamas i dont think he'd refer to oct 7 as a horrific terrorist attack. And to your point that Egypt (and Jordan for the west bank) also share some blame for humanitarian crisis, this is true but does not absolve Israel of responsibility for their contribution, nor does it mean that gaza & west bank are not 'open air prisons' of sorts. And I'm generally a zionist but refusing to acknowledge the lack of freedom of movement for what it is would just be ignorant- the question is whether it is justifiable or not.
egypt receives massive amounts of money from the US. do you think a nation with an extremely corrupt political class and a leader who killed dozens of protesters is going to pass up the money for principles? egypt keeps the border closed because sisi wants american money. its really that simple
Israel controls the boarder between gaza and Egypt (the philidelphi corridor) and the boarder between the west bank and Jordan
@@RelivingHistory1History has shown that authorities in Gaza never manipulated numbers of victims that are being killed by the entity’s army. On the contrary, they even underestimate them as they take into account only verifiable victims, not all those who went missing under the rubles. On the other hand, the entity, which has been consistently proven to spread fake news like it did for the « beheaded babies » and « raped women » does not allow any journalist to work on the field and does not give any reliable numbers to account for the victims of its misdeeds, if at all.
Theoretically Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism may be distinct, but if protesting against Israeli politics is carried out by targeting Synagogues, Kosher Restaurants, Jewish Community Centers or harrassing Jewish Students on Campuses both seem practically to be the same.
They didn't even write their own OT. The Greeks did it for them. The first recruits were in fact Greeks, the others were recruited at the Greek Diaspora. We can tarnish all subsequent Empire re-brands of the Greek Diaspora - Phoenicia (very bad, tsk, tsk, tsk), Rome (very bad, tsk, tsk, tsk), Britannia (very bad, tsk, tsk, tsk), etc, but not even a blemish on the original. That's why you know it as the Diaspora, and recently they renamed it to the Jewish Diaspora, to get you even more off track.
So to your point about Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism - yes, absolutely they are the same thing, because both Zionism and Semitism are based on a Fictional Fantasy book. Therefore it is impossible to not be one, if you reject their Fairy Tales.
This issue started when Protestants broke away from Roman Catholic church, Manual Lacunza started the false doctrine of pre-trib rapture doctrine and finished by Scofield,false doctrine/man made religion(refered to in Rev 13 as the beast of the earth-false religion/doctrine & worldly philosophies)
The State of Israel wasn't declared "unilaterally" but accordingly to the UN Partition Plan. The Plan didn't fail because of the creation of the State of Israel but because the Arabs of Palestine rejected to create their own state.
Regarding the Origin of the Philistines, Gen 10,14 and Am 9,7 connects them with Kaphtor i. e. Crete.
Palestinians and Zionist were fighting prior to
Balfour Declaration.
UN partition plan attempted to legitimize this conflict.
Jews should have been given all of Germany and half of Poland or equivalent monies.
Not the Palestinian lands
A Christian can not be a Zionist. It is against every church ruling. If you support the state of Israel, you are NOT a Christian, but a false prophet.
They rejected the partitioning of their land by foreigners. Don't make slanderous accusations based on wild "interpretations". Also it might be of your benefit to learn how many countries were in the UN and how many of them voted 'yes', at that time.
agree , and have continued to reject all proposed 2 state solutions
The Arabs had good reason to reject the 1947 UN Partition Plan as was drawn up, because its a BAD DEAL for them. The Arabs (back in 1947) were the MAJORITY. The Jews were only the minority in terms of relative population.
Why should the Jews get the MAJORITY of the land area while the Arabs, who were majority in population being accorded only like 30% of the land they had been residing since the middle-ages???
Logically it didn't even make sense.
Be that as it may, just because they rejected the UN plan, DOES NOT mean Israel henceforth automatically get the whole of the land of Palestine. No. Israel still has to adhere to the national boundaries as drawn up by the UN. period.
Ezekiel 38
Was there something you wanted to say about Ezekiel 38?
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Jon, with respect for your wide ranging knowledge, excellent speaking abilities, and compassionate heart, I would like to offer the following: you conflate ‘Zionism’ with ‘support for the current Israeli government’s policies’. I think those are two different things.
How do you expect Zionism to be realized on inhabited land if not the way the Zionist government has been conducting it since the foundation of the entity in 1948, even before when Jews in Palestine conducted terrorist actions against British authorities, going as far as assassinating a UN official ? The problem lies within Zionism itself and within religious litteralism.
@@ronshatzmiller3683 well said, Zionism is about having a Jewish state, it has nothing to do with the inner politics of the actual state itself
Zionism has been a political movement from its inception. The politics of zionism has changed and adapted overtime, and of course it is totally valid to hold a zionist point of view divorced from the expressions of zionism seen in reality.
But it is not beholden of someone giving a historical lecture on zionism to preface their use of the term with an acknowledge of the reality that there always exists a distinction between ideology and practice. We would not expect such a preface about communism were the topic about the Bolsheviks or Castro's Cuba, nor would we expecr such a preface about facism were the topic about Mussolini's Italy or Hitler's Germany. Such distinction are beyond the scope of a histroical lecture.
@@goaway9977 The state was established in 1948. So in 2024, s an anti-zionist someone who believes the state of Israel should never have existed, and a zionist who believes it should exist? Interesting that the one state formed in 1948 (and there were many) whose existence is questioned is the Jewish state. I don't see any movements to discredit the existence of Pakistan (formed in the same year, causing 14 million displaced people and 1 million deaths -- far more than what was created in 1948). I understand that its because the Jews came from 'Europe' and therefore 'were white' and 'non-indigenous' but this conveniently ignores the fact that the population immediately after 1948 became 50% jews of the middle east and north africa -- which I at least would consider 'an ethnically (or religiously if you like) displaced population from neighboring countries -- a situation that was happening all the time in 1948...
@@ronshatzmiller3683 Yes an anti-Zionist believes that making a claim to land based on religion is wrong, and that no one, including Jews, has the right to a religious or ethnic based state especially to the displacement of others. I don't really understand why this is a hard concept to grasp. Of course there have been other historical mistakes, but all of that is whataboutism. The existance of Pakistan and injustices in that nation have no bearing on Israel or its right to exist.
I personally have no issue with Zionism or Israel. But the incompatibility of this state with modern western ideals is so blindingly obvious I don't understand why anyone acts suprised as Israel continues to lose support in the West. But who cares about the modern liberal values of the West? Not me. I have no issue with the Jewish people trying to establish a state, so long as I am not expected to support it. But I'll tell you who does care about modern liberal values; all the Zionists who get online everyday and run apologetics for Israel through a liberal framework.
I think the best answers to the problems have to be from the words of God in the most ancient accounts, since we now know Judaism invented much of what we inherited. God made a promise, but it was not unconditional for all time. It was a conditional Covenant and Promise. "IF" they were faithful to Him in keeping to Him alone, serve no other gods, and keep His Covenant Standards to be their manner of life and faith. They didn't. The records we have show God was faithful and the Land and Multitude numbers were fulfilled long ago. He said they would be destroyed from the Land if they became evil - repeatedly they did as He told them not to - and He was faithful to His Covenant and Promises to have then exiled and then finally driven from the Land. Jews understand the Diaspora from the Land - Zionists don't, and claim the promise, but then doing it by their own means: "I did it my way" , not as told by Elohim. If He banished them - it is still per what He said to start with. Therefore - as Isaiah 42 ends - they will burn and not even know why - because they continue to fail their part of the Covenant Standards.
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The Lord is with His chosen people ❤
That moment when you realize his people are the Palestinians
Your scripts have typos! Better proof reading needed. But, still enjoy your lectures!
Bob Holderness
We didnt offer humanitarian aid to the Germans or Japanese until they surrendered. Hamas should never have attacked Isreal and should surrender, if only to save what's left of the Palestinian people.
Agreed
But settlers taking Palestinian's homes in the west bank is cool?
Israel ignores and defies the international law governing the actions of an occupying force... It doesn't matter what you, and your friend Bibi, think and it's disgusting that they have been permitted to ethnically cleanse and destroy Palestine, with full impunity, by the zionist-controlled USA Congress - 70% of the official toll (hugely understated) of the zionist terrorist force are children and women - even if you believe all the men are kkkHamas, that's not many freedom fighters eliminated, is it? Just lots of babies, children and women...
The IDF has done the destruction of Hamas x10000, Hamas emerged decades after the creation of the state of Israel in 1948- in response to Israeli occupation.
What kind of comparison is this? The Israelis are the Axis powers in this situation. Just like imperial Japan and the Third Reich, the Modern state of Israel defines itself in nationalist and ethnocratic terms (“self-determination in Israel” is “limited to Jews”, “Israel is the nation-state of the Jewish people”… despite there being 1.6 million Palestinian citizens of Israel proper). Just like the German “lebensraum” ideology and desire to conquer all of Europe, Israel has continuously illegally annexed more and more Palestinian land far beyond its borders, promotes a plan of “Greater Israel”, and invites Jews all throughout the diaspora to come settle in the West Bank and steal homes that aren’t theirs with their “Jewish right of return”- while Palestinians remain refugees.
Just like the fascist powers of Germany, Italy, and Japan, Israel is a a rogue state that acts lawlessly and refuses to abide by international law. Israel is not some sort of victim nation- Israel has all of the money, power, resources, and backing of all of the global superpowers, while Palestinians have no statehood at all. The lives and livelihoods of the Palestinians are dependent on Israel and what Israel wants, not the other way around.
The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, in which 17 Germans were killed and 93 were wounded is incomparable to the Holocaust, Kristallnacht or any other pogroms or massacres. Similarly, the existence of Hamas and the October 7th attack (the casualties of which are not even a fraction of the casualties caused by the Israeli government & military) is in no way comparable to the the ethnic cleansing which has taken place in Palestine beginning with the Nakba in 1948 and continuing today, the legalized apartheid of the Israeli government, the illegal occupation of Palestinian territories since 1967, and the 20+ massacres committed by the IDF as well as zionist militias (1948 Deir Yassin Masscare, 1937/1939/1947 Haifa Massacres, 1994 Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre, 2002 Jenin Refugee Camp Massacre, 2012 Gaza Massacre, 2014 Gaza Massacre just to name a few).
Israel didn’t start doing any of its atrocities because of “Hamas”, so it’s delusional to believe that they would stop if Hamas disbanded tomorrow. Palestinians, like any other people, won’t just lay down and die just because Israel and the politicians in Washington its bribed said to do so. Hamas will continue to exist insofar as Israel continues to starve and kill Palestinians, refuse to consider them as equal citizens, refuse to recognize the official borders of Palestine, and continues to occupy and settle in their land.
“Israel should never have attacked Palestine or come up with the crackpot idea to “create” a nation where a country already existed and should surrender, if only to save what’s left to the Israeli people.”
@@theheartpart5 'israel is the nation-state of the jewish people' is there something wrong with that? I mean nobody is debating that the French deserve a France for the French people, or China for the Chinese... So why not an Israel for the Israelites? And conquering your neighbors to vassal-ize or colonize them is the historical norm, not the exception. How do you think arabs ended up all over the place outside of arabia? Not that it matters tho because youre just copy pasting, if youre even a human at all
Thank you