Iv been on this same search throughout my life but as I look at humanity in the 21st century, i keep coming to the conclusion: that we cannot dig ourselves out of the mess we are in. We are either the construct of random processes or the creation of an uncaused Being. Derek, I doubt you’ll ever read this but your music has always been dear to me. Wedding dress will always be my favorite song. My hope is that He leads you back to Himself.
“If I can tell what’s in your heart by what comes out of your mouth, then it sure looks to me like being straight is all it’s about”… is probably my favorite line of yours. That songs means so much so so many of us. Thank you, Derek.
It was in my doubt of the sincerity of your love through your past music that brought me to the realization that you were telling the truth. I couldn't follow you then, Derek, but I have followed many of the same steps you have taken all on my own. I left the church, though it took a much longer time than you. I considered myself an atheist for a brief time. However, in my search for myself, I lost myself in the mysteries I can never fully understand. I will gladly follow you again on this musical journey of self and collective discovery, which is itself the essence and nature of life.
before Augustine there was a man that loved his enemies so much that he would raise them from the dead after abandoning them (Lazarus) because he made time and knows what we will do before we (free will) do it and that is why he lets Joseph go into death and then slavery and then save his 11 other brothers because God is that cool that he understands hunger and pain and death so much that he lets us go to prison as Saul and come out as Paul understanding that Stephen was killed with stones upon stones upon rocks and pulverized by pain because he understood that Jesus Christ died to set the prisoners free from bondage to sin to addiction to slavery to addiction to hatred and envy and pride and lies and theft and gluttony and sexual immorality (anything outside one man and one woman for life) adultery has plagued our culture with it's deceptions and Stephen knew that Only Jesus will stand on the right side of the Father in Heaven and Proclaim his Kingdom on earth as is in heaven and very soon My Jesus will ride on his White Horse of victory and conquer all of my and your enemies Soon and very soon
Love your glasses. I’ve been reading and learning a lot about the older Christian mystics in history it's been quite interesting. It'll be interesting with what you come up with and I love Josh Moore’s work as well.
I'm intrigued. If I understand correctly, it looks like you're taking some time to look back on Christianity to see if you made the right call for walking away from it.
not exactly. if anything, i'm going to try and deconstruct the grid through which i have understood christianity for the last 30 years to try and see past it to what's really there, if anything. so i'm not going back to anything, only forward.
@@derekwebb I've followed your work and been a big fan since about..idk 2000. I'm pretty sure that I saw Caedmon's in concert in Rapid City, SD at an outdoor festival. Anyhow...not to promote my own stuff, but I've been a part of a little online community for the past few years that has really been covering a lot of topics and things that I think you'd find interesting. I think your comment about "deconstructing the grid through which you have understood Christianity (and everything, I would add)" is troublesome. Human consciousness post-Descartes is rooted in what I call Egoic "knowing". I know you're familiar with a lot of this stuff. But I wanted to post this regardless. This particular discussion is about a breakdown of a recent conversation between Jordan Peterson and Iaian McGilchrist (author of "The Master and His Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World"). ruclips.net/video/0ZWdz4XZx2o/видео.html
I've been a fan since I first saw you live touring for your first solo album in 2003 in southwest VA. It sounds like you are struggling between what you are and that which you wish you were (and who isn't?!). If so, I wonder if your question really is how can American Protestant Christianity resolve that tension or not? Lead to a place of spiritual settlement, as it were. If you are the restless, constantly probing soul that I think you are, I think the answer must be 'no'. The questions you ask do not lend themselves to answers from any orthodoxy, no matter how well intentioned. They only result is more questions. And here, we are inexorably led back to 'faith', as the central theme of our journey, are we not? All that said, your exploration of this topic as an artist is invaluable and worth the price of admission (IMO). Through the expression/exposure of yourself and your observations I've come closer to the divine and myself. I believe you are a true artist in that sense, which is only to say a fallible, but honest truth renderer. Here's wishing you luck in that quest. Your success is other's and vice versa.
hey thanks for taking the time to write that. i receive it as an expression of care. but i assure you i’m not struggling. not at all. i’ve never been more settled or happy in my life. i’m just ready to take another look at all this considering the role it’s played in my life over the past 30 years to see if i can find some meaning. regardless, thanks for still being here.
Life-long Christian that’s listened to you from junior high and we now even have wedding dress in the hymnal at our house church (unbelievers alongside believers). Seeing a lot of the calvinistic confusion affecting myself, my husband, my friends (this is no invitation for theology debate ppl:) and considering our path going forward. Happened to come across this video in a haphazard search to distill down what it means to believe in a God I know too much about. I have no idea of your story that brought you here, but I’d love to join you as you write the next chapter. Sometimes clinging to ‘the right’ belief system can make it the wrong one. Thank you for your honesty and willingness to share your own process behind the labels. I don’t usu leave comments, but just learning that you’re on this path at this time means something to me and you sharing it will speak to others as well.
This was so sweet and encouraging! We all are on journeys. One year later, I found this post. It's funny because I always appreciated Derek's authenticity, and this feels like a circling back for me, to a time on another plane of existence. Thank you for being kind.
I love all your amazing music and I love your mission to put to words the seemingly inexpressible mysteries of life! So excited!! I'm a lifelong seeker as well and I'm so pumped for the journey you're gonna take us on
Good idea. Wonder what you’ll find when you take the story out of the boxes we’ve put it in. Perhaps you’ll find something wholly different, majestic, terrible, awesome. Or maybe not. Either way, it’s vital we try and take off our rose-colored lenses
Be very careful with how you allow the words if feels songs influence your beliefs. Because many of the things Derek sings about and probably even believes is not fully in line with the fullness of scriptures and the full context of scriptures. And to me this guy is under deceptions in his life and mind by evil spirits.
This looks to be amazing. Great idea. I love the process. Songwriting has been therapeutic in sorting out those questions and doubts. I’ll follow along. 👍
Well I was going to say something, but it all turned out to be too ironic. You have no idea how frustrating the meaning of "Because I can't afford to pay/For most of what i say/So it's a lucky thing/That the truth's public domain" is...well then again you probably do because it seems like that concept is in one way or another about to be a major theme of this work. Anyway, I can't wait to see if you can write an even better worship album than TARGETS.
@@joeburly And if you cloth & feed people without giving them the Gospel alongside, you’re just making them more comfortable and well-fed on their way to Hell.
@@patrickc3419 yeah except that is never said in the parable of the sheep and goats. It is the self righteous who withhold provision that are sent into the outer darkness. Good luck!
@@joeburly Sir, please read Matthew 25:31-40 in it’s entirety, as well as contextual meaning. Be a Berean and hold everything you see, hear and read up to the light and lens of scripture.
Hebrews 9:27 Isaiah 55:6 John 14:6 Proverbs 3:5-6
Iv been on this same search throughout my life but as I look at humanity in the 21st century, i keep coming to the conclusion: that we cannot dig ourselves out of the mess we are in. We are either the construct of random processes or the creation of an uncaused Being. Derek, I doubt you’ll ever read this but your music has always been dear to me. Wedding dress will always be my favorite song. My hope is that He leads you back to Himself.
i appreciate it
Thank you for your willingness to open up and be vulnerable!
thanks for that.
I’m praying you find the truth. Not your truth, but The Truth. God has used you mightily.
“If I can tell what’s in your heart by what comes out of your mouth, then it sure looks to me like being straight is all it’s about”… is probably my favorite line of yours. That songs means so much so so many of us. Thank you, Derek.
@@KennyVert thank you, kenny!
It was in my doubt of the sincerity of your love through your past music that brought me to the realization that you were telling the truth. I couldn't follow you then, Derek, but I have followed many of the same steps you have taken all on my own. I left the church, though it took a much longer time than you. I considered myself an atheist for a brief time. However, in my search for myself, I lost myself in the mysteries I can never fully understand. I will gladly follow you again on this musical journey of self and collective discovery, which is itself the essence and nature of life.
Just when I was supposed to get a real job, Satan offered me a contract extension.
interesting, joe. how did you know it was satan?
Sad where he is now
"he" as in me? ha.
before Augustine there was a man that loved his enemies so much that he would raise them from the dead after abandoning them (Lazarus) because he made time and knows what we will do before we (free will) do it and that is why he lets Joseph go into death and then slavery and then save his 11 other brothers because God is that cool that he understands hunger and pain and death so much that he lets us go to prison as Saul and come out as Paul understanding that Stephen was killed with stones upon stones upon rocks and pulverized by pain because he understood that Jesus Christ died to set the prisoners free from bondage to sin to addiction to slavery to addiction to hatred and envy and pride and lies and theft and gluttony and sexual immorality (anything outside one man and one woman for life) adultery has plagued our culture with it's deceptions and Stephen knew that Only Jesus will stand on the right side of the Father in Heaven and Proclaim his Kingdom on earth as is in heaven and very soon My Jesus will ride on his White Horse of victory and conquer all of my and your enemies Soon and very soon
Sounds like lukewarm warm water. Vague, amorphous, ethereal.
cool. if that's not for you feel free to spit it out and move on.
TULIP and Augustine lied to you but Jesus never lied to me because I also do trust the process that is the WAY unto ETERTAL LIFE
Don’t drag St Augustine into this. St Augustine affirmed prevenient grace not determinism.
E-Turtle life sounds sweet.
Love your glasses. I’ve been reading and learning a lot about the older Christian mystics in history it's been quite interesting. It'll be interesting with what you come up with and I love Josh Moore’s work as well.
dude, thanks! thanks for sticking with me.
You have my curiosity. I'm looking forward to what comes next.
I needed to see this today
So good. Totally with ya.
grateful for that, james.
I'm intrigued. If I understand correctly, it looks like you're taking some time to look back on Christianity to see if you made the right call for walking away from it.
not exactly. if anything, i'm going to try and deconstruct the grid through which i have understood christianity for the last 30 years to try and see past it to what's really there, if anything. so i'm not going back to anything, only forward.
@@derekwebb well, I'm looking forward to following along and seeing the conclusions you come to.
@@derekwebb I've followed your work and been a big fan since about..idk 2000. I'm pretty sure that I saw Caedmon's in concert in Rapid City, SD at an outdoor festival. Anyhow...not to promote my own stuff, but I've been a part of a little online community for the past few years that has really been covering a lot of topics and things that I think you'd find interesting. I think your comment about "deconstructing the grid through which you have understood Christianity (and everything, I would add)" is troublesome. Human consciousness post-Descartes is rooted in what I call Egoic "knowing". I know you're familiar with a lot of this stuff. But I wanted to post this regardless. This particular discussion is about a breakdown of a recent conversation between Jordan Peterson and Iaian McGilchrist (author of "The Master and His Emissary: The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World").
ruclips.net/video/0ZWdz4XZx2o/видео.html
I've been a fan since I first saw you live touring for your first solo album in 2003 in southwest VA.
It sounds like you are struggling between what you are and that which you wish you were (and who isn't?!). If so, I wonder if your question really is how can American Protestant Christianity resolve that tension or not? Lead to a place of spiritual settlement, as it were.
If you are the restless, constantly probing soul that I think you are, I think the answer must be 'no'. The questions you ask do not lend themselves to answers from any orthodoxy, no matter how well intentioned. They only result is more questions. And here, we are inexorably led back to 'faith', as the central theme of our journey, are we not?
All that said, your exploration of this topic as an artist is invaluable and worth the price of admission (IMO). Through the expression/exposure of yourself and your observations I've come closer to the divine and myself. I believe you are a true artist in that sense, which is only to say a fallible, but honest truth renderer.
Here's wishing you luck in that quest. Your success is other's and vice versa.
hey thanks for taking the time to write that. i receive it as an expression of care. but i assure you i’m not struggling. not at all. i’ve never been more settled or happy in my life. i’m just ready to take another look at all this considering the role it’s played in my life over the past 30 years to see if i can find some meaning.
regardless, thanks for still being here.
This makes my heart happy. Looking forward to this.
Life-long Christian that’s listened to you from junior high and we now even have wedding dress in the hymnal at our house church (unbelievers alongside believers). Seeing a lot of the calvinistic confusion affecting myself, my husband, my friends (this is no invitation for theology debate ppl:) and considering our path going forward. Happened to come across this video in a haphazard search to distill down what it means to believe in a God I know too much about. I have no idea of your story that brought you here, but I’d love to join you as you write the next chapter. Sometimes clinging to ‘the right’ belief system can make it the wrong one. Thank you for your honesty and willingness to share your own process behind the labels. I don’t usu leave comments, but just learning that you’re on this path at this time means something to me and you sharing it will speak to others as well.
wow, thanks for sharing that. an interesting journey indeed. i hope to connect at some point.
This was so sweet and encouraging! We all are on journeys. One year later, I found this post. It's funny because I always appreciated Derek's authenticity, and this feels like a circling back for me, to a time on another plane of existence. Thank you for being kind.
Um, no. You're weird.
I love all your amazing music and I love your mission to put to words the seemingly inexpressible mysteries of life! So excited!! I'm a lifelong seeker as well and I'm so pumped for the journey you're gonna take us on
thanks for that, gavin.
Good idea. Wonder what you’ll find when you take the story out of the boxes we’ve put it in. Perhaps you’ll find something wholly different, majestic, terrible, awesome. Or maybe not. Either way, it’s vital we try and take off our rose-colored lenses
You keep digging Derek !! You show your interest in the Meaning of life and it’s beautiful to watch you experience it and understand more!
Be very careful with how you allow the words if feels songs influence your beliefs. Because many of the things Derek sings about and probably even believes is not fully in line with the fullness of scriptures and the full context of scriptures. And to me this guy is under deceptions in his life and mind by evil spirits.
He is, so he needs our prayers to find the truth that you can never deny.
Christians sure walk around scared a lot!
@@IheartDogs55 right? I thought God was all present and all powerful? Why are they so freaked out all the time?
what do you mean by "Jesus hypothesis"?
Yes, please?
This looks to be amazing. Great idea. I love the process. Songwriting has been therapeutic in sorting out those questions and doubts. I’ll follow along. 👍
thanks so much!
This humility and honesty has so much potential for beauty and vitality.
wow, thanks so much for those kind words john. really means a lot.
Well I was going to say something, but it all turned out to be too ironic. You have no idea how frustrating the meaning of "Because I can't afford to pay/For most of what i say/So it's a lucky thing/That the truth's public domain" is...well then again you probably do because it seems like that concept is in one way or another about to be a major theme of this work. Anyway, I can't wait to see if you can write an even better worship album than TARGETS.
Read 1 John 2:19
He is a goat; someone never saved to begin with.
Hmmm. Another mind reader here.
Pretty sure the goats are those who don’t feed and cloth the homeless and prisoners.
@@joeburly And if you cloth & feed people without giving them the Gospel alongside, you’re just making them more comfortable and well-fed on their way to Hell.
@@patrickc3419 yeah except that is never said in the parable of the sheep and goats. It is the self righteous who withhold provision that are sent into the outer darkness. Good luck!
@@joeburly Sir, please read Matthew 25:31-40 in it’s entirety, as well as contextual meaning. Be a Berean and hold everything you see, hear and read up to the light and lens of scripture.