SUPER in-depth Shimano 105 Review | Everything You Need to Know About R7000
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2020
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In this video, BikeRadar's assistant editor, Jack Luke talks you through everything you need to know about Shimano 105, including a breakdown review of each individual component ⚙️
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→ 03:20 Shimano 105 ST-R7000 shifters review
→ 06:42 Shimano 105 RD-R7000 rear derailleur review
→ 10:03 Shimano 105 FD-R7000 front derailleur review
→ 11:54 Shimano 105 CS-R7000 crankset review
→ 14:30 Shimano 105 BR-R7010 rim brake review
→ 15:59 Shimano 105 BR-7070 disc brake review
→ 17:32 Shimano 105 R7000 groupset review verdict
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Have you ever ridden Shimano's workhorse groupset? Would you go for Ultegra over 105? As always, let us know your thoughts in the comments! ⚙️🐴
I’ve ridden both, and I’d go with 105 everything aside from cranks, where I’d want a power meter.
If you have 105 there is no reason to switch to ultegra, probably only di2 is acceptable
@@LucaBonato Clutch derailleur is another (there is the Ultegra RX derailleur, while there isn't a 105 variant).
I ride 105 and would only upgrade to switch from mechanical to Di2. So far I've been incredibly happy with my 105 R7000. The performance has been amazing, the components have proven to be well built and sturdy and the potential cost of replacement parts is much more manageable than the higher ranges.
@@williamsanders just get the GRX one... Pretty much useless for road use
I'm pleased to announce that, days after this was filmed, my lockdown hair was finally brought under control 💇♂️Please leave any abusive comments about my luscious locks in this video in the comments below 🔥
Jack Luke better post an updated photo on your instagram account please and thank you 🙂
These locks in combination with the mushroom thing, man, perfect 😊 (very good review!)
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Shimano need to make a t-shirt. - "105 - The Peoples' Groupset".
The rear derailleur is the MVP of the 105 groupset! The GS version can easily handle an 11-40 cassette with compact chainrings without the b screw cranked all the way down despite what Shimano says. It's very handy for gravel bikes. Give me ALL the gears for my sissy little legs!
Normally the limiting factor will be chain slack when in small small. So 34/11 . If you can remeber to never touch say 34/11 and 34/12 you can get away with quite alot more then shimano spec
Guilty - bought the ice tech rotors for their looks. Ultegra ones, even tho those black Dura Ace look 🔥, but 💰
No judgement from us 😎
Fab review, by far the most comprehensive I've come across. Top job!
105 is perfect for the riding I do. I’m super impressed with the r7000 groupset overall and I won’t be rushing to upgrade anytime soon. Also, great review 👌
Superb review Jack! Got to be the most eye catching RUclips thumbnails going as well. Such prowess.
Nothing wrong with your flowing locks, Jack! Keep entertaining us!
I’ve just installed 105 R7000 hydro shifters on my ‘cross/gravel bike but went with a non-series front caliper for my post-mount fork and a GRX rear caliper because it’s the same bar the colour but was €10 cheaper. Very happy.
Very helpful insights into Shimano 105s. I’ve just bought myself a Ribble R872 and it was great to hear all the good things I’ll be able to experience on my new bike!
thanks for the great in-depth review. One thing struck me though: 11:20 and the claim that Shimano has the best FD shifting. I would argue that anything from Record and Chorus shifts as well if not better. The thing is: Shimano has the best chainrings for front shifting. I tend to use Shimano cranks for their superior stiffness in combination with trimmable Campagnolo ergopowers, and I currently like the Campa FD with the longer lever so this makes for very fast and effortless shifting.
I’ve been using a 105 for almost a year would like to add that the right brake lever tends to rattle after time (started last month for me) & that is because unlike Ultegra has a rubber stopper inside that 105 does not have. The Ultegra also uses a different pin to hold the lever that isn’t as prone to degrading. Other than that, I have no complaints with the 105
Great review! Another benefit of the 105 is that after a crash or a scratch you just swap the part for a new one without breaking the bank. As a result your bike always looks like new.
Never mind a crash, just replace anything that's dirty. No need to even wash the bike. :)
I got my 105 an upgraded cassette to 40T (from 32T), not a 105 component anymore, and it really helped me a lot with very steep climbs on long journeys. I didn't need to put a spacer (which i bought one ahead, a waste of money) to adjust the RD. Crank is still 50-34T. Surprisingly, it feels and responds better when shifting.
Last year I built up a Lynskey Backroad Ti frame with a 105 group set and couldn’t be happier with it. I used the savings over Ultegra components to buy a better wheel set and still stay within my budget. I did add a pair of GRX sub levers this summer and they work perfectly with the 105 hydraulics.
I just installed it to replace an Ultegra 6700 that wore out. Although I haven’t tried it yet, I am impressed by how smooth the shifting is while working on it!
In terms of bushings vs bearings, bushings _should_ last longer than bearings, however bushings have a friction penalty
I'm still riding the old 10 speed 105 on two of my work horse bikes- 105 is really built to last. When I finally upgrade my 'winter' road bike to disc brakes I'm looking forward to having this version on it- I love the looks of the new Shimano groupsets, the rear derailleurs especially look like they've come off a fighter jet.
I have this group on my Devinci. No complaints, works great and is reasonably light.
Awesome review Luke! Must say that I started with shimano 2300, found it so horrible I went to di2 after that. Now a few years I bought a winterbike with 105 and I was very happy. My new winterbike is also a Ribble CGR but the SL (carbon) version with 105 but I must say after a few months I did buy an Ultegra RX rear derailleur, it just fits that bike so much more and works perfectly with the 105 7000 groupset!
But I will probably always buy a DI2 groupset for my main bike, it's just so much better!
I have a R7020 hidraulic 105, it's Petry good but I ride my wife's bike, and the ultegra shifting is amazing! Is my next upgrade!
FINALLYYY!!! FINALLYY!!!!! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR AN IN-DEPTH REVIEW OF 105 FOR A LONG TIME! Although I just got mine a month ago. And it feels perfect. My bike just went from feeling cheap to feeling like a million bucks👌
It's always nice to hear that the stuff you've bought was a good choice, isn't it? It hurts like hell when you see a reviewer you trust point out a load of annoying flaws you'll never quite unsee...
Thanks for watching! We hope you are still enjoying your bike, from all at BikeRadar.
Just booked a Road Bike with a 105 R7000 groupset and your review is so well explained. Thank you so much. Cheers from India 🤟🤟🤟
Sir you are a gentleman and I thank you for the informative breakdown. New to the cycling world and this was very beneficial. Much appreciated
Thanks for the detailed review
Finally bit the bullet yesterday: my old ‘84 Raleigh Corsa is going R7000! 🥳
Great video.
Question unrelated... What tires do you have on your Mavic Askiums? I have the same wheels and looking to do some light gravel riding. Thanks!
Thanks great informative and entertaining video. Recently built bike with used 6800 Ultegra parts only learnt today 175mm crank set are too long and instead should be 170mm so I intend to now re - equip it when finances allow with R7000 particularly after watching your video. Thanks.
Super duper! Good work chaps. Will still 👀 at 105 as the industry/consumer standard
Yeah! 105 workhorse for the everyday workman! Rim brakes! For me I can't install disc brakes on my ancient titanium nice road bike. There might be flex issues and would have to buy a whole new wheel set then take it to a mechanic bike shop to cold spread the rear drop outs. Too much work and cost. Actually using the modern 105 calipers rim brakes in my mixed group set. Feel is the same as a very nice old high end calipers of years gone by! I know from using shimano that 105 is it! Like they said in the videos. Only weight weenies would upgrade to ultegra. Now an electronic shifting group set for 105 at price point would be the icing on the cake!
I agree! I'm using 105 .. 5yrs now no issue dependable🙂
Thanks for the great review. I have ultegra rim on my road bike and 105 disk on my gravel bike. I agree Ultegra is definitely sharper and snappier than 105 but 105 does the job and on a gravel bike that is heavier anyway, the extra weight makes no difference.
Thank-you for the comment on the HG-700 11- to34-cog sprocket cassette, as it may be fitted to any SRAM/Shimano freehub in ten- or eleven-speed spacing.... 8:39
5800 on both bikes. Had to get the r7000 FD on one and it's WAY WAY lighter/shorter to shift, not that the 5800 was poor. As most say, I'd only go ultegra for di2 (which I will). Ps, don't go r7000 chainrings on 5800 -it fits, just looks cack as different shape
I went with the complete opposite, I got the Ultegra derailleurs (rear RX) and calipers while my shifters are 105 R7000. It feels perfect.
Ultegra RX compatible with r7000 levers?
@@vadlme yes and is also compatible with many other 11 speed road groups and some 10 speed as well. Tiagra 4700, 105 R700, Ultegra R8000, Dura Ace R9000, GRX 400, 600 and 800 all have the same cable pull ratio. I have one of my gravel bikes using Tiagra 4700 with RS405 hydraulic shifters, which the is non series Tiagra 4700 compatible 10 speed hydraulic shifter and an Ultegra RX rear derailleur, works flawless, has been working for over a year.
Considering upgrading from a Claris groupset currently with non Shimano crank and hissing brakes, on a 2015 Trek aluminum frame!
glad this video is so recent from such a big channel... what about rival 22?
What do you think about the GRX levers for gravel compared to the 105? I’ve got Sora at the moment but I’m going to upgrade to 105 or GRX , just not sure what the benefits would be.
I've been on a Tiagra groupset for 6 years and can't say I really have any complaints. I'll be stepping up to a SystemSix Evo with 105s this fall, so it's a decent upgrade in my mind. I think regular maintenance and cleaning makes a world of difference, don't you?
Does modern Tiagra shift smooth? I had a 7 year old Claris groupo and the shifting is clunky but it gets the job done.
Axxl's Gallery Well, I don’t have much experience to provide a comparison. I would expect someone using 105 who had used Tiagra would dar the same thing you did, clunky but adequate. All I can truthfully say is that with regular maintenance and cleaning (even though I haven’t changed the cables yet, which would be significant) Tiagra has done well for over 4,000 miles.
@@rswc55 Thanks for sharing
I will never clean my bike myself I mean. I will just put it off with a mechanic and go drink a coffee (no sugar!) or 2 like 2km further and when he rings me up when it's finished it's done properly and everything is clean and good to go again. Also I bought the Scott speedster 10 (2022 model) with the 105-r7000 for 2000 euros and have to do a bikefitting first 12 August this year by someone who works for Bora Hanshroge and was with them at the Giro this year and that goes to Classica San sebastian and Vualta a Espana. He will make me a food schedule and also the best schedule for rides and will do a follow up every 3 months. (I have to pay for the pro bikefitting not the basic one and it's very low price imo then)
Great video👌👊🤙👍
Hi,
Thank's for the greate content :)
Can you please recommend any aliexpress seller to buy a Shimano 105 groupset please?
Thank you for mentioning in detail the 11-34 Cassette, so HG700 is what I am looking for :)
Any recommendations for disc brake variant budget good price-value rear freehub ugrade? Riding the Triban 520 Decathlon bike which comes with Shimano 105 R7000 Groupset
Just ordered 105 52/36 with 11-34 😂 and medium cage RD for my newly acquired All City Mr. Pink. If they had a compact crankset I would’ve gone that route. But I think 36/34 combo is even higher than my old 34/30 so I shouldn’t have an issue unless I’m hitting 17% grades.
Great video. I have a question about the 105 groupset. Can you use them with mechanical disks?
Yes you can.
I’m loving this groupset on my Diverge. But also using a Triban RC500 as a commuter, I can safely confirm, that once indexed properly, shifting speed, crispness and feel through the pedals is just as good with a Sora r3000. In my experience, the main difference is at the levers, which, on the r7000, feel smoother and also sound better as you click through the gears. And, obviously, there’s two more cogs. I’ve never tried Ultegra, but I’m very curious how mechanical shifting could feel any better than this. Maybe I’m just not sensitive enough.
Hi I have a new ribble bike fitted with 105 group set but I find the chain rubs the front mech when in the small chain ring at the front & smallest cog at the rear , is this acceptable! As I do realise some gear combinations don't mix & May not be able to adjust out with out comprising the rest of the shifting.
Thanks,
Ian
Does the cannondale quick 3 use BB30, 68mm bottom bracket??? I want to upgrade my crankset to shimano 105 and want to use the BBR60 SHIMANO bottom bracket..do you know what size bracket to use on the cannondale quick 3 hybrid???
Hi great review. About cross-chaining. Its always not recommended by manufactures for groupsets with 2 front chain rings such as the 105 your testing. How then does it not matter for a one-by 11/12 speed groupset?
On actual 1X cranks (not conversions), the single chainring is moved slightly inboard of the big ring to help correct the chainline.
im happy with my 5800. if it's worn out i'd probably get the r7000
It does what is says on the tin - i;e it just works, and is excellent value for money. Saying that, I've got the latest Tiagra on the winter bike, and apart from the 10 speed, is hardly any different.
The only things I wish 105 7000/7020 had was a clutch derailleur and quieter shifting. I ride a lot of gravel, and having a clutch would be very useful with chain slap. Also, the shifting in the rear cassette seems clunky at times when riding faster. I noticed a significant difference in sound and weight when I upgraded to a new wheelset with a new ultegra cassette/rotors.
hope you still have that saddle. 105 di2 is disc only...
are the 505 shifters specific to their respective 10 and 11 speed applications? or is there a hack??
I'm planning to buy a new Roadbike in fall and I've been contemplating about whether to purchase 105 or Ultegra. I'll probably go for the 105 cause it'll spare me a hefty 500€ compared to the same bike equipped with Ultegra and 300gr extra weight is nothing to worry about for an average rider.
You are absolutely right.I still use tripple shimano 105 for 7 years now. no problems at all. The difference between 105 and ultegra is in quality not much. Only the weight, and the price. I am a fan of the 105!!!
Would love a similar review with Tiagra. 105 is always portaited as the "budget" option, but from what I've read the differences between 105 and Tiagra are pretty small? (Except 10 vs 11 speed ofc).
Tiagra 4700 is a seriously underrated group, my gravel bike came with a full Tiagra 4700 drivetrain and Shimano's non series RS405 hydraulic brake levers, and it works flawlessly. One great thing about it beeing 10 speed is that you can use a mountain bike 11-36 cassete which is great for off road riding. Another great thing is that 4700 shares the same cable pull as the 11 speed groups so I have my bike setup with an ultegra RX clutch derailleur to cut down on the chain slap noise, works flawless. I have another gravel bike with a full Shimano GRX 800 group which is ultegra level and while it does feel better the shifting performance diference is not as big as the price diference. Save money using 10 speed Tiagra 4700 and spend it on nicer wheels and tires.
After riding 105 for a couple years it really is a work horse, imo better than either dura-ace and ultegra because it performs essentially the same and is very easy to work with and most importantly affordable
Is Groupset Shimano 105 FD-R7000 compatible with Stages Power L - Shimano Ultegra R8000 Gen3 ( Powermeter ) ?
Thank you very much !
Great review. Well done. However 105 has been reviewed to death. Personally I'd like to see reviews on alternatives. Campagnolo in particular is a line that I think offers a compelling list of group sets that would be great to see in depth reviews on.
Same although I have the 105 r7000. But I want to know more about Campagnolo because who knows in a year or 3 I just change it and also put ultra light carbon wheels on my Scott speedster 10 (2022 model) which looks great and performs great too with the shimano 105 -r7000 groupset.
Excellent
105 is the real mvp of racing groupset good enough to do anything the bug dollar durace can and even more in certain circumstances and decently price
I have the Scott speedster 10 (2022 model) with the 105 -r7000 groupset on. And damn men I can climb every (very (over 20%) steep hill with it easily.
I have ultegra di2 on my road bike but downgraded the crankset to 105 after seeing @thanksshimano. Seems like the 105 cranks are better made? Kind of made mechanical ultegra redundant it seems to me now.
105 is excellent on my steel bike. I have two other bikes on Ultegra 8000 - only weight is the minor difference.
I like that "organic" carbon - cellulose stand.
I snapped my 105 crank spindle coming out of corner when I put the power down! I upload a photo if I could?
Monster!
It was going down hill on the Cote de Grosmont
Where is the video for the saddle eaten?
What are the shorts? Pearl Izumi? What model?
Nice review, and cool name! 👌🏽
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Can I use this set with flat bar shifters?
Been using 105 r7000 for few years, more than enough for a weekend rider like me. Cheap to maintain, reliable. Weight issue? Prefer to lose my fat weight first 😂 less headache = more enjoyable ride
@15:16 better eat that saddle 😂
my frront derailer is very difficult to shift up - its not the shifter, must be the spring
I agree. My 105 bike definitely doesn't shift as positively as my Ultegra bike. Ultegra also looks nicer to me. I've just ordered a new Ultegra bike. Nothing wrong with 105 whatsoever, you don't find many 105 owners who hate it that's for sure.
What disks are on that bike?
Do the same vid about SRAM Rival 🤙
ps. When you are talking during the video in headphones i hear some bzzzzz noise, fix this next time pls
We were filming in a field full of crickets! 😂We promise we'll be back in the studio as soon as it is safe to do so.
2.31 'this clothing is not of my own choosing, it's from our sponsors'. Ouch! Bet they were pleased with that!
Is that saddle eaten already?
You can use ALL sizes of chainrings!!!
I use 38-48T - 33-46T..... NO PROBLEMS
I love my ultegra groupset. I had the 105 too. I wouldn’t go lower than 105 with shimano.
Why not lower?
Congratulations 🍾
Thanks. What mechanical disc?
Apologies on my grammar. Is there a mechanical disc brake version of this grippe? And thanks.
There is no 11-25 in the 105 range, it starts at 11-28, but you can use an Ultegra 11-25 though.
Hey! Who you calling ugly! I've got rs505 shifters on both my road and cx bikes. Although, I spend many an evening gazing longingly at them, whilst riding I never look at them, nobody else can see them and they work just fine.
When do you think we're getting 105 Di2??
Personally, I'm not convinced we'll ever see it. I think there is more work to do refining electronic groupsets - wireless, for example - before it trickles down to a more affordable level. We've speculated a little on this here: www.bikeradar.com/features/shimano-dura-ace-r9200/
@@bikeradar being hopeful I'd like to think we'll see it perhaps by the time of the next Olympic cycle. The rate of advancement of tech is just crazy at the moment
@@sambarrett4726 I highly doubt we'll see a 105 Di2, bike market is too smart for that. If they relase a 105 Di2 in a budget category tier they can't properly market the ultegra and dura ace Di2 anymore since we can get a budget Di2 in 105. So yeah i highly doubt we'll see a 105 Di2.
Make a video on affordable bikes with Shimano 105?
The 105 hydraulic levers don't have the bite point / free stroke adjustment that you get with Ultegra hydraulic levers, was disappointed to find that out when mine arrived, can't really justify the upgrade yet though. Otherwise a great groupset.
Does Shimano make a 105 11-34 cassette? Or did he misspeak when saying you build All Shimano with 11-34 - I'm only seeing 11-32 online
The HG-700 11-34t cassette mentioned is a non-series but nominally 105-level product.
I'm building a bike and found a good deal on an Ultegra crankset, but everything else is 105. Will that work?
Assuming you're running the current generation on all Shimano components, there won't be any problems. Heck, you can even run Dura-Ace R9100 STI levers with Ultegra R8000 derailleurs if you like.
brushed silver, not polished silver?
I miss the old school sparkle and shine of classic groupsets like dura ace 7800 and before.
Does 105 have a direct mount rim brakes?
Yes.
Since 5800.
Do you think next gen Dura Ace Di2 will have automatic shifting?
Unlikely, but I think we may see features such as wireless shifting. We've speculated a little on this here: www.bikeradar.com/features/shimano-dura-ace-r9200/
I agree with Bikeradar on it, for automatic shifting to be viable, you would need a power meter and a speed sensor. Not unreasonable, but Shimano will never allow the use 3rd party stuff, so they would need to develop their own power meter (they have a speed sensor from their ebikes already) and that would not be worth it. If it will come about, it would be on a Shimano equipped ebike first where they already have the hardware, then maybe come around to regular bikes in the future.
@@xx-----------xx873 I'm not sure, but I think Cadence and speed would be enough, It's a fun thing to speculate about. Just have it be manual shifting until a set cadence, drop to low or go to high for your specified range, it shifts. I think Gravel folks would dig it, just take in nature and pedal.
@@DougTheSnowMan I'd argue a power meter is nessecary beacuse if you are spinning up a steep climb with little effort, the last thing you'd want to do is to be put into a harder gear where you have to put a lot of effort into.
@@xx-----------xx873 I think for climbing the speed sensor would come into play, it would have to have alot of options and limits of when to work with limited sensors, and power meter auto shifting will probably come first.
I have alot of ideas of how it could work and what it would do, it's going to be very cool when they do eventually roll out.
I feel like we are somehow related since we both ride CdF.
I do find I can get rubbing noises from the front mech of my 105 as I start to verge on cross chaining or if I don't choose the trim appropriately. Should a less amateurish mechanic than me be able to improve that?
Same here. I have brought it to a few different mechanics and the issue has never been solved.
@@blacspydr0719 I've read elsewhere that it's perfectly normal for a wide range 2x, but this video gave me hope that it could be improved upon.
@@armadillito is it specific to the front derailleur of the 105 r7000? If I were to switch out the front derailleur would the rub go away?
@@blacspydr0719I don't believe so. The explanation I've heard elsewhere is that the size difference between 2x chainings in combination with the width of an 11 speed cassette means you just can't make a perfect derailleur. I really don't know for sure though!
Small-small cross-chaining will definitely induce chain rub unless you trim-shift the front derailleur.
can someone tell me what is the difference between R7000, R7010 and R7020?
Sure. The '10' and the '20' bits within the name tell you a bit more about the brakes on the groupset...
R7000 - 105 with standard rim brakes
R7010 - 105 with direct mount rim brakes
R7020 - 105 with hydraulic disc brakes (you also get the 105 mechanical shift/hydraulic brake levers)
Otherwise, the three versions are identical with mechanical 11-speed shifting.
Time to eat that saddle!
Tiagra does a good job for me, but then again I'm not a weight weeny or racing.
4:41 You meant ST-R7025? (edit:timestamp)
Do make it in 52”
15:13 Well, time to eat that saddle, bro. This new generation of degenerates from Shimano have not only ditched the rim brakes but mechanical shifting as well.
Is 105 really less refined than Ultegra?
No, nearly the same tech with different build materials. They feel virtually identical on well tuned bikes.
Yes, a little bit. Ultegra shifters provide more click sound and click feeling on shifting. On Ultegra shifting on bigger cog or ring is some easier with click. It is important to me. After big research I was bought Ultegra.
105 is really good. Shifting is without any problem. Brakes works great. It is about that little feeling and weight.
Cassette Ultegra is also better for that connected cog. But 105 do the job really well.
All Shimano chains are good but nosier than other brand. And they are just grey. I want silver. So, KMC.
Where is the new di2... its overdue
If 105 has a Di2 counterpart, it'd effectively deviate from its groupset model principle: offer an optimal balance between performance and price.