I couldn't have agreed more with wannaberocker. Everyone be sure to watch and take note. @ 4:35 in video. You could put "Santa Claus" in your tree and it will come through as a Thru Line for cousins but especially if people copy it. Also, he mentioned going up a level. Always corroborate with matches to others, specifically siblings of the common ancestor. I'd also suggest clustering. If they are (I'd say) 20-25cms and up, yet don't cluster with that family line, you're wasting time. They should cluster with knowns (of that line) at that level even if you have no idea of the specific relation. That's not to say they aren't of that line if they don't cluster. But you should only deal with what matches are there, not what isn't there. In other words, if it's there, it's there. Confirmation. We can't deal with what's NOT there. Just a suggestion.
Hopefully the tail end of that didn't sound like word salad. I'm just saying, a clustered match to an established (by research) line is great corroboration. But we only get the DNA we get from those ancestors. Other cousins might descend from the same MRCAs and yet you don't share with them. So deal with the matches you've actually got, if the goal is to be right and feel confident about it. That's my advice to anyone, take it FWIW.
It was not word salad to me. I get it. I thought it was interesting regarding clustering your cousins on the same side. It's a good concept for another video some day. I've said it before but differently in other videos. I like the way you said it. Humm... the wheels are turning in my head.
I use a Stabilo All pencil for writing on all photos. You can find them at some office supply stores, but I buy them by the box (12) from Amazon. They are about $1 per pencil. These pencils write similar to a color pencil but softer sort of like a grease pencil. They do not come through to the front from the pressure, as a regular pencil can. Also, they are archival. Do not use ink as it can bleed through to the front and I have had this happen. I was a consultant for Creative Memories years ago and I learned this tip from that company.
It's not just unproven guesses that can come through on a Thru Line. It can be literally incorrect (specific) relations. So yes, you are related to the person otherwise it wouldn't be a cousin match. But no, I'd say 20-25% of the time it is way wrong on the specific relation. I get Thru Lines for my mother's side that do not even match her (she took the test). Complicating this is that the person may indeed share a relation to the family in question but that's not how you share with them. Basically...only use Thru Lines as a suggestion.
My cousin died in Baxter Springs Kansas but Baxter Springs did not have a ambulance service so the Joplin Missouri service was called which was the closest ambulance service so he died in Kansas but has a Missouri Death certificate.
If a person uses their middle name, I add it as an AKA in Ancestry so I can easily find that alternate version in Family Treemaker’s name index. Also, alternate surnames can be difficult to add in Ancestry as alternate names as Ancestry will warn you that the surname doesn’t match the father’s surname. You can force it, but Ancestry can be pretty stubborn about it sometimes.
Very informative as always, especially the info on SSDI. In thru lines, I have my unknown grandfather as "unknown" and the last name of the family. Dna has shown me who my great grandfather is but not which one of his sons is father of my mother. Hoping some day to narrow it down.
Thankyou for answering my previous question, I didn't give up.. Lol I put in name of parent and DNA matches with 2 6th cousins showed up. Thurlines says he the father. So I am guessing he really is the father. Thanks for listening.
I have had quite the dilemma. Speaking of names: My great-grandmother whose given name is/was Mary, seems to have a number of different last names. I have my grandfather's birth certificate that gives her Maiden name, which is also on her marriage record. On my great-aunt's birth certificate, she gives a different name. Then I find a third record that gives her yet a different last name. Finally, she remarried and had yet another last name. So, this woman has 4 different Surnames, and I am going by the name that was on her marriage license and my grandfather's birth certificate. I believe that her mother died when she was a young girl, and she was brought up by a different family, and so she used their last name. Fast forward to yesterday, and a 82 year old cousin that I had contacted sent me a letter with different information. He said that his mother told him that her given name was that of one of the surnames and her name wasn't Mary at all! I also have a book of sorts that a man wrote some years ago about the family. He did use some proof, but I have also seen some speculation. In the instance of my great-grandmother's name, he used the name that my cousin told him might have been her "original" name. Neither of them offers up proof for that, so needless to say, I am leaving her name as what I have proof for! I can find no record of either of her parents. On Family Search, someone has entered her paternal grandfather's name, but I see no proof that it is the name. I can't seem to get rid of it, so I am leaving it for now until I can find the proof. As my Welsh cousin would say, "We have a sticky wicket."
I've run into this problem. To resolve the conflict I took an Excel and made a column for each name and down the left side listed all the evidence and dates to see what lined up. My premise was to treat each name as if they were different people until I could review the evidence and convince my self that two the names were the same person... and one by one, I compared evidence with the names and facts to see if I might have had two women with the same name. For example, could the man have married twice both with the first name of Mary?
I have Knox in my tree from Canada. My great great grandmother Georgiana McWhinney 2 nd marriage ( no children ) to a Sidney Loftus and his daughter who is a step married a Bill Knox her name was Chorlette Loftus.
Hi, question: can I trust Ancestry with the material I download (pictures, birth certs., death certs., and my own graft with names and D.O.B.). Is it safe that it will not be stolen or used for other things (illegal)? Also, Question: I am trying to trace my mothers family. The problem I am coming across is that my grandmother and grandfather on my mothers side had the same last name (spelt the same). How do I trace a family name with the same last name with little information?
I trust Ancestry. I’ve use them for years. Regarding downloading information to your computer, you’ll have to verify the information and make sure that it is in your family history. If you’re uploading information and your tree is public, you’re making it available for everyone. Once you’ve done that, you have no control over what happens to it after that because others can download it. Regarding the same last name, it could be that they both originated from the same clan thus being cousins of some sort. You may need DNA research to figure that out.
Wannaberocker has a serious point. It's your responsibility to make your tree as accurate as possible. One mistake can ruin someone's else's tree.
I couldn't have agreed more with wannaberocker. Everyone be sure to watch and take note. @ 4:35 in video. You could put "Santa Claus" in your tree and it will come through as a Thru Line for cousins but especially if people copy it. Also, he mentioned going up a level. Always corroborate with matches to others, specifically siblings of the common ancestor. I'd also suggest clustering. If they are (I'd say) 20-25cms and up, yet don't cluster with that family line, you're wasting time. They should cluster with knowns (of that line) at that level even if you have no idea of the specific relation. That's not to say they aren't of that line if they don't cluster. But you should only deal with what matches are there, not what isn't there. In other words, if it's there, it's there. Confirmation. We can't deal with what's NOT there. Just a suggestion.
Hopefully the tail end of that didn't sound like word salad. I'm just saying, a clustered match to an established (by research) line is great corroboration. But we only get the DNA we get from those ancestors. Other cousins might descend from the same MRCAs and yet you don't share with them. So deal with the matches you've actually got, if the goal is to be right and feel confident about it. That's my advice to anyone, take it FWIW.
It was not word salad to me. I get it. I thought it was interesting regarding clustering your cousins on the same side. It's a good concept for another video some day. I've said it before but differently in other videos. I like the way you said it. Humm... the wheels are turning in my head.
I use a Stabilo All pencil for writing on all photos. You can find them at some office supply stores, but I buy them by the box (12) from Amazon. They are about $1 per pencil. These pencils write similar to a color pencil but softer sort of like a grease pencil. They do not come through to the front from the pressure, as a regular pencil can. Also, they are archival. Do not use ink as it can bleed through to the front and I have had this happen. I was a consultant for Creative Memories years ago and I learned this tip from that company.
Great tip. Thanks for sharing.
My grandmother died while on vacation in Arizona. That shows as where she died but she lived in Kentucky.
It's not just unproven guesses that can come through on a Thru Line. It can be literally incorrect (specific) relations. So yes, you are related to the person otherwise it wouldn't be a cousin match. But no, I'd say 20-25% of the time it is way wrong on the specific relation. I get Thru Lines for my mother's side that do not even match her (she took the test). Complicating this is that the person may indeed share a relation to the family in question but that's not how you share with them. Basically...only use Thru Lines as a suggestion.
Amen brother!
My cousin died in Baxter Springs Kansas but Baxter Springs did not have a ambulance service so the Joplin Missouri service was called which was the closest ambulance service so he died in Kansas but has a Missouri Death certificate.
Interesting. I'm hearing more and more stories like this.
Always such great information.
Glad you think so! Thanks Deb.
JackBN answer: AMEN!
I figured that answer out and got my GEDCOM. Thanks,
Super.
If a person uses their middle name, I add it as an AKA in Ancestry so I can easily find that alternate version in Family Treemaker’s name index. Also, alternate surnames can be difficult to add in Ancestry as alternate names as Ancestry will warn you that the surname doesn’t match the father’s surname. You can force it, but Ancestry can be pretty stubborn about it sometimes.
Interesting. I've not had that experience. I just change the name. Hummm...
Very informative as always, especially the info on SSDI. In thru lines, I have my unknown grandfather as "unknown" and the last name of the family. Dna has shown me who my great grandfather is but not which one of his sons is father of my mother. Hoping some day to narrow it down.
Interesting!
I agree with Jack BN , there is plenty of mis guided information.
Thankyou for answering my previous question, I didn't give up.. Lol I put in name of parent and DNA matches with 2 6th cousins showed up. Thurlines says he the father. So I am guessing he really is the father. Thanks for listening.
Verify that with records or good DNA research Pearl Bubbles.
@@GenealogyTV I will thankyou.
I have had quite the dilemma. Speaking of names: My great-grandmother whose given name is/was Mary, seems to have a number of different last names. I have my grandfather's birth certificate that gives her Maiden name, which is also on her marriage record. On my great-aunt's birth certificate, she gives a different name. Then I find a third record that gives her yet a different last name. Finally, she remarried and had yet another last name. So, this woman has 4 different Surnames, and I am going by the name that was on her marriage license and my grandfather's birth certificate. I believe that her mother died when she was a young girl, and she was brought up by a different family, and so she used their last name. Fast forward to yesterday, and a 82 year old cousin that I had contacted sent me a letter with different information. He said that his mother told him that her given name was that of one of the surnames and her name wasn't Mary at all! I also have a book of sorts that a man wrote some years ago about the family. He did use some proof, but I have also seen some speculation. In the instance of my great-grandmother's name, he used the name that my cousin told him might have been her "original" name. Neither of them offers up proof for that, so needless to say, I am leaving her name as what I have proof for! I can find no record of either of her parents. On Family Search, someone has entered her paternal grandfather's name, but I see no proof that it is the name. I can't seem to get rid of it, so I am leaving it for now until I can find the proof. As my Welsh cousin would say, "We have a sticky wicket."
I've run into this problem. To resolve the conflict I took an Excel and made a column for each name and down the left side listed all the evidence and dates to see what lined up. My premise was to treat each name as if they were different people until I could review the evidence and convince my self that two the names were the same person... and one by one, I compared evidence with the names and facts to see if I might have had two women with the same name. For example, could the man have married twice both with the first name of Mary?
I have Knox in my tree from Canada. My great great grandmother Georgiana McWhinney 2 nd marriage ( no children ) to a Sidney Loftus and his daughter who is a step married a Bill Knox her name was Chorlette Loftus.
I don't think we're related... but one never knows.
@@GenealogyTV I doubt it too.It was my gg grandmothers second marriage and she did not have any children.
Hi, question: can I trust Ancestry with the material I download (pictures, birth certs., death certs., and my own graft with names and D.O.B.). Is it safe that it will not be stolen or used for other things (illegal)? Also, Question: I am trying to trace my mothers family. The problem I am coming across is that my grandmother and grandfather on my mothers side had the same last name (spelt the same). How do I trace a family name with the same last name with little information?
I trust Ancestry. I’ve use them for years. Regarding downloading information to your computer, you’ll have to verify the information and make sure that it is in your family history.
If you’re uploading information and your tree is public, you’re making it available for everyone. Once you’ve done that, you have no control over what happens to it after that because others can download it.
Regarding the same last name, it could be that they both originated from the same clan thus being cousins of some sort. You may need DNA research to figure that out.