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A Better Spring for the American Pro 2 Jazzmaster/Panorama? w/ @60 Cycle Hum : • A Better Spring for th...
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Also worth mentioning that the spring needs its ends sanded to metal (as you can see on mikes spring) or the trem will not ground.
Good note! This would be very frustrating to forget and have to disassemble👿
Are you ready to ditch your Am Pro 2 spring? I want it! I need it!
Go practice, bro
And my clicking issue was resolved by rotating the spring, one of the winds on it was clicking against the edge of the spring cup but having it turned in a new position fixed the issue immediately.
Good to know, thx Ryan, ill take the bridge off again for the 9 millionth time... surprised the screws aren't stripped by now on it!
Oh good!
That's good to hear. Was the spring still on the unmodified thimble when you did this?
My Mastery was doing that I solved the clicks by cutting a few pieces of a lidocaine topical adhesive medical patch and like magic the pain was gone haha!
I don't actually have my current spring drilled out btw, I used two washers as risers between the spring and the spindle, i need to make my own video soon showing what i did.
Do you think drilling it out is a good idea though? I’m thinking of using a dremel. I’m just worried that if I don’t get all the little winds drilled evenly, it’ll compress weirdly.
@@MyersJMark drilling it out is really hard. I recommend the washers.
@@60CycleHumcast wicked, I await for video!
@@60CycleHumcast did you get a particular type/size of washer?
@@MyersJMark I took the trem thimble to Home Depot and found some washers that fit around it. I forget the size.
Kudos for being one of the few guitar RUclipsrs prepared to aim some deserved criticism at big forces in the scene. Fender may be pissed, but they might also do something about it - to the benefit of all their customers.
I spoke about areas where Fender/Squier did weird things on the Classic Vibe Starcaster and got attacked by boomers in my comments
Fender’s such a garbage company it’s not even funny. Mustang bass reissues have an issue with the intonation screws where they strip particularly easily and don’t have any replacements. Fender outright refused to sell me a replacement or even send me specs. I literally had to hit a cnc shop to have a batch of replacements made. The things we put up with for tone
@@USSLIBERTYREMEMBERER the nostalgia makes it so hard to not buy from them lol
Mike mentioning the Custom Shop builder who is using the same spring gives me hope. It’s probably a corporate bureaucracy problem, trying to get a part in mass production approved for replacement, whereas the Custom Shop can use whatever they want.
@@ZachariahConnor where did that happen, I wanna see it 🤣
You're my 1st sub on YT, I love your playing!
It's always nice when you show up on the youtubes. It's like seeing an old friend.
You made this into a Mike Adams signature model essentially!
Dude, that pickguard with the dark night looks sick!
Loving your content. I’m a Jag owner because of you!
After watching Rick Beato and friends test out lighter guage strings, I decided to install 8's on my new Am Pro II JM and love them! I did try the 7's but they were too slinky for me. The Panorama system works great with the the 8's. Absolutely love the Am Pro 11 Jazzmaster. The only thing I might change on it is the upper slide switch to a toggle switch. I like to switch lead tones in the middle of songs and find the slide switch a little too hard to find while playing live.
That rocket switch tip ...! 👀
Thanks for the follow-up to the video you did with Ryan. I needed to know about the grounding issue and to pay attention to the positioning of the spring. Cheers!!!
That pick guard is beautiful on that body.
Hi Mike, thanks for the update! Bought an AM Pro II back in late February and have been following all the Panorama related stuff since. I for one really like my 10 gauge strings, so the stock spring is not a huge issue, but some extra range sure wouldn't hurt. I did get the yellow spring a few weeks back, however when I took the unit off the guitar, I was surprised to see that Fender used a completely different spindle on mine. Not sure how widespread this is and it might just be a singular or very limited particularity due to supply chain issues (my guitar also came with an entire set of full height tuners - no staggered ones, likely for the same reason). The spindle on it is way more bulbous, so the yellow spring does not fit over it at all - not even partially like it did in your video with Ryan. I for one don't feel like it's worth the hassle to modify the original part, but would definitely love to find either a slimmer spindle that fits the spring, or an original sized spring with correct tension. Until then, I fear that my dive bombs will only be partially sick :(
Hello, did you ever find a spring? With 10's you can still use the tremolo but not full like with 9's?
That new pickguard is stellar!!!
Do you think that spring could handle Bass VI strings? Bass VI dive bombs sound fun....
Great solution. I did a search on eBay and there are a couple of sellers in China that will ship this size spring to anywhere including Australia.
oh my gawd mike that may be the most gorgeous jazzmaster ive ever seen, it may very well beat pancake..............
It’s our buddy Mike!
I think the fact that even a licensed custom shop builder has to use aftermarket parts is a pretty good sign that Fender corporate has no interest in solving this problem.. Kudos to you for being a true champion of the people and sharing your experience with us!
Ya thats almost as bad as him playing a Gibson instead. Pretty frustrating that we all shelled out this $ for pro 2 and they can't just shoot a 5 dollar spring and an apology to their customers. They got their $$ and I guess that's all they care about.
Yeah but if it works at the manufacturer prescribed string gauge is it actually a problem? If you install higher gauge strings on a Strat you have to adjust the springs unless you *want* the tremolo to float. I don’t understand why it’s such a big surprise that a Jazzmaster would need more spring to control bigger strings.
Like yeah maybe Fender could install a stiffer spring, or maybe the amount of tension in the tremolo bar with the factory gauge springs is exactly what they want. Changing string gauge *is* a modification, and frequently other modifications need to be made to facilitate other modifications.
@@michaelw6277 I get where you’re coming from here, but I don’t necessarily agree with your logic. Adjusting tremolo springs can be done with just a Phillips head screw driver, and doesn’t require any replacement parts - it’s effectively a setting, not a modification. While I agree that technically changing string gauge is a modification, I think it’s one that a player expects to be possible (with some setup required of course).
I think your points are valid about the manufacturer designing the guitar to be used with a specific gauge strings, but I also think it’s not unreasonable for people to assume they should be able to change that to their taste without having to fully replace hardware.
@@ZacharyWThomas well yeah, but a Jazzmaster trem plate comes off with a Phillips head screwdriver as well, right? I'm guessing that spring can be swapped out just as fast or faster than changing the strings. .
I guess I just don't see Fender at fault here. They provided a massively improved, completely functional product when used as intended.
Maybe they could have issued some guidance regarding how to deal with the spring with higher string gauges, but if the warranty says "if you break this guitar by installing higher gauge strings we're not fixing it" and then they go on record telling you how to modify the guitar then what happens? People go with the beefiest springs because that's just what you do with Jazzmasters then get mad at Fender because they won't warranty the twisted neck even though it was Fender who told them how to upgrade the guitar outside of factory specifications.
I really enjoy this channel and I've learned a lot watching it, and he knows WAAAAY more than I'll ever know about these guitars, but... he really slipped up here. The pitchforks should not have come out over this.
@@ZacharyWThomas oh, and I don’t mean to dismiss people’s frustrations, I get it. But I would say that this is just how it goes when a manufacturer updates a system which has gone on more or less unchanged for literal decades. Fender designed and manufactured a *massively* improved trem system here and they really didn’t have to. It was going to take some time before the aftermarket caught on and filled the need.
For those that don’t have access to a metal lathe, my coworker gave me the idea to chuck it up in a drill press and I can report that after about 5 minutes with an 8 inch Nicholson file you can successfully modify your existing collet to work with the spring. If you feel comfortable modifying an original part without a backup, that is.
Thanks for the tip Nate, a friend of mine has a drill press, I'll be heading over to his place very soon.
This worked! Thanks Nate!
always an amazing day when i see an upload from this channel. Love the work, love the playing.
Hey Mike! I’ve just done the drill chuck/lathe hack method for filing down the spindle and it worked brilliantly, though worth noting that it’s super helpful for your drill to be able to go backwards to prevent the screw coming away from the spindle.
I tried drilling out the centre of the replacement spring but ended up warping it considerably and would say that I’ve definitely weakened it to the point that the stock spring is actually a little stronger, I’ll be ordering another one and hopefully a fresh spring with the filed spindle should work a treat!
Just thought I’d share here so people don’t ruin their springs by drilling them (albeit badly on my part), spindle filing is 100% the way to go!
Thanks for the tip Jack, I'll take your advice. I just received my yellow spring today from China, and looking forward to fitting it to my new JM Pro 2.
Just got a JM pro 2 this week and I love it.
I love this! Big thanks to Ryan and YOU for all the work and time and sharing you’ve invested. I’d been following this and thought of things that eventually you addressed, like the Thimble (was it not modded on Ryan’s?) and making spring ends flat. Totally a boutique/expert solution that should/could be adopted by Fender. Bravo ! 👏
The pickguard reminds me of TRON! Sail on David Warner
Somone has been to the gym. Looking great Mike. Conversion bushings, well done mate.
The Kevin shields picture!
Day just got better cause there's a new Mike Adams gear video
Hey Mike! Always love your content and videos!
Appreciate the follow-up on the spring issue!
Any news about where to find a modified spindle?
this is such a good guitar now
Fender does make a "split top" tuner like vintage that fits the standard 2-pin tuners. It's called the Classic Gear tuner and I replace all my Fender tuners with them. The even look more vintage with classic Kluson style "bean knobs"
Hey Mike!
Hoping you could provide some extra info on the tuners/conversion bushings you used to get the job done (more specifically the conversion bushing size needed on the JM amPro ii)
My kiddo loves to pluck the strings as I hold chords, but often tries to go for the headstock... Thinking of making the switch to vintage style tuners so the string ends can't hurt him (and for easier string changes)
Thanks for all the offset content!
Hello all,
In case a fellow JM amPro ii player is trying to switch to vintage style tuners, too, I wanted to share what worked for me:
StewMac - Gotoh vintage-style oval knob 6-in-line tuners
StewMac - 3/8” conversion tuner bushings, round
The conversion bushings fit perfectly + you’ll see they also offer a drill bit with a depth stop (if you need)
Hope this helps!
Love the baggie of Allen keys… I do the same thing
My favourite guitar I own is my American pro 11 DJk knight JM.
I've had it a long time now. I ordered and recieved it during lockdown. Nearly a couple years ago now. It's a shame but yup the panorama is not for for purpose. The pickups and the looks are amazing but a big attraction for me was the tremelo. But I couldn't test it because like I say. The shops were closed. So I couldn't raise any issues.
I hole I can get s hold of 1 of these screws.
On a happier note. Wow I love those modifications you have made the scratcholate is amazing. And WoW that panorama sounds amazing.
Hey love the channel! Any updates on this for people wanting to buy one of these?
Need one of those spindles ...
I wish the American Pro II Jazzmaster was available to buy ANYWHERE. :(
sweet guitar bro!
if one closed their eyes while you were playing on the "vintage" tone with the bridge pup theyd think it was a tele hahaha! i said that with love & respect lol!
the bridge in "vintage" mode does have a sweet "spanky/twangy"="twanky" tone!
I do like 9s but I assume this spring could also work just fine with lighter gauge strings, so if you plan to buy Am Pro 2, maybe it's a good idea to just get the spring now, just in case you will ever need it...
That thing is one spacey looking axe. I dig it
Followed your advice, and installed this today on my Jazzmaster American Pro II... Put some heavy flat-wound 11s on my guitar afterward, and the tremolo bar works perfectly!
How’d you get the spring on? I have springs but I haven’t solved the issue of needing a thinner thimble
@@MyersJMark At first I thought it was a problem, but I was able to just put it on with the thick thimble as is. It doesn't look like it should work, but it does
@@onlyaflyDid you need to sand down the edges of the spring? This question is in response to 60 Cycle Hum’s comment on this channel.
@@John-vw4vg Yes, I followed his advice and used sandpaper on the ends
Dude this thing looks freaking rad! I need this crazy spring now?
Nice work! 💜
Rosie!!!!
I think the gold pickguard looked killer.
That pickguard reminds me of the opening sequence from "Saved by the Bell". 🤣🤣🤣
Kelly Kapowski was smoking hot though.
I must have an offset guitar! I love the jam at the beginning, it's not bluesy shredding solo, but something more to my liking. Tasty!
Great video and even better playing. Quick question, would you also recommend the C. Novak JM-V and JM-Fat pickups for pro 2, or do you think the JM-90 and JM-180 are best considering the tap mode on the bridge pickup? I appreciate your feedback. Happy holidays
I bought the spring in perparation. 😊
the yellow doesn't quite go with the blue but not noticeably. it's good that you found a replacement!
haha totally, the clash is a bit much. Thankfully it's hidden!
what is the model number of your tuners bushing ? I love your channel!!!!!
Is that a rocket switch? It would make sense, your riffs are kind of spacey, ready for liftoff!
Edit: Yup, now that I saw the end of the video, I got to know that it is in fact a rocket switch. Cool!
Lookin jacked dude.
Sweet pickguard!
Bout to roll the dice on a panorama for a CV VI, read the VI spring transfered over is enough for some dude on the web, will be ordering a plan b.
In other news, that end riff.... I know it, have known it but cant name it, stuck in my head now. Gonna be trying to place it til dawn now. It feels obvious but..
My JM Pro 2 seems to work okay with 11-49s, but 12-54s are my what I want to use. I just got the yellow spring yesterday and curious what other peeps have done to deal with the spindle issue.
So your trem still works with 11"s without the spring?
well I'll never own one for sure..
I really wanted one too man 😭 but I'm too poor for that kind of headache,
I'm still really salty about my AVRI jaguar but at the same time I'm very lucky you have tech tips about that series! you definitely saved me a lot of future frustration.
new upload on a Friday, W
Mike, have you tried a G and L doheny? Leo's 2nd jazzmaster I suppose...
Anyone have info on the Gotoh tuners referenced at the end? It’s one of the only things not linked in the description.
Which style Kluson tuners are those?
I am close to purchasing a Fender American Pro II Jazzmaster. Has the spring and spindle issue been addressed by Fender?
Morning everyone - does anyone know anyone stocking these springs in the UK? Thanks
Why buy this guitar if so much is changed?
Well, praise Kevin.
Mike, have you been picking things up, and putting them down?💪.. Anyway, my 12-52 stainless half rounds are anxious for their yellow spring to arrive, and my '08 J Mascis will then be able to weohweohweohweohhhhh!
Hi Mike. As a fellow Pro II owner I've been following the spring fix with interest. I have another issue - finding an aftermarket pickguard that fits. I've ordered a couple, but the bridge drillings aren't right. Is the aftermarket you have from Decoboom a Pro II-specific model?
Do you have a link to the replacement tuners you installed? My AM2 is on its way to me right now, and I’d like to make those same mods right away before I get too attached to it!
Hey, love the channel. I was curious what pickguard size fits on the American professional 2?
Yes, please let us know.
I am curious if the yellow spring plus 9s will change the amount of dive you can get. The original spring went down to F#, right? In theory, since you have more torque on anchored side of the tremolo, you should be able to loosen the strings even further.
What are the physical dimensions of this spring? Just from looking at it I feel really confident that I could find a few cylinder head valve springs from different cars that would work
Say Mike....do you go places with your axes ? What is your preferable case or gig bag.?
Great install/mod !!
I have a Pro 2 coming in, in a few days and I guess I should have no problems as I have been using 9's on my electric guitars for a long time (Strats, Super Strats, Teles). What are the advantages of using heavier strings on Jazzmasters? Thanks
On a Bass VI with the Panorama tremolo, would it be a good idea to go for the TL (blue Light load) spring instead of the TF (yellow Extremely Light) spring?
So I have been wanting to upgrade the trem on my J masic jazzmaster for a while and was looking at the Panorama as a possible choice. Now I recently had to switch to 10's from using 11's & 12's for a while because of hand pain issues. Do you think the Panorama stock spring is sufficient to use with a 10's or would I still need to upgrade the spring?
I have a FCS jazzmaster I really want to put a panorama on. Wish fender would get off their ass already on this.
Rad sounds and badass upgrade Mike! Random Q - do you have a vid or anywhere that shows what your signal chain looks like when you're running into Logic/Garageband like in this vid? I know there are pedals involved but would like to know more about what happens after pedalboard -> when it meets your PC :)
Anyway, love the scratch guard, love the spring mod, love the pickups, love the uniqueness of this AmPro2 JM!! Kind of now finally diggin that blue burst color months later Hahaha
Where are these links you’re talking about?
Are these springs yet available??
amazing! could you give any amp recommendations that pair well with a jazzmaster?
Almost anything Orange.
I tend to prefer my amps on the dark side, so my Strange Audio Lux Plus or my Satellite Helion go great with my guitars. But I've gotten a lot of fun tones out of those Silver Panel Fender reissues just by rolling off the high end. Anything with a 15 usually works for me too, but I have to admit that I rarely keep up with what's readily available these days!
@@Puisheen Thanks for the quick response! Been looking at one of those fender custom pro reverbs for a while so thats good news!
Good day sir,
I just found yr channel & watched your review on the Pro 2. I had a Jag a long time ago & put 11's on because a friend told me that's what you put on Jag's & Jazzmasters.
Now I can't remember why & I went through all yr vids & didn't find one to explain. Will you please tell me why?
Would the yellow spring work with the squier Bass VI?
Hey, you have not told us the size of the spring :)
oh, it's written in the description, haha, sorry :)
Hey @puisheen, what will happen i you change the tone pot to 1meg? will it increase the brightness? No need to change the tone pot to 1meg as well? push pull tone pot is kinda hard to comeby.
I also changed my pickups on my Pro 2 Jazz to the JM90/180 combo. Huge improvement over the Vmods! More tone, less mud. But yes, changing the volume pot to 1meg will also be my next step. I am contemplating on changing the panorama for a Descendant though. Somehow I don't connect to the panorama. I don't need deep dives on a Jazz and the whole thing feels wonky to me.
Worth buying the guitar even with having to change out things?
@@deshawn4077 It plays great and it looks stunning. You don't have to change the pickups, they could work fine for your purpose. I always swap pickups on all my guitars anyway. Now I played with it more I think I'll keep the panorama tremolo though. But yeah, I also figured along the way that I might be better off with a Japanese Fender. Then I can change whatever I like and would still not be paying US Fender prices. I've done that with a CIJ Jaguar and it's great.
Did you keep the wiring for the Pro 2 when changed pickups?
@@deshawn4077 Yes
How would I ask a guitar tech to swap V-Mods cwith Novaks and retain Amp Pro II wiring? Just curious. Thanks!
Nice!! Also what guitar rack is that?
I checked the the JM 90 and it says it is a P-90 replacement for the Jazzmaster. In your video you said the JM 90 and 180 sound vintage. Do you mean vintage P-90 and not Jazzmaster?
Bro from another Mo
JAM ON
Drop the arm workout vid already
Can you bend with 10s and 11s?
So cool
how can i contact robert about a spindle👌
At the price you pay that guitar, one would have thought that such a fault would not happen.
Hello, if I bought that spring, can I just pop in to the Jazzmaster stock as is or do I have to drill a Spring Out in Center?
Is it normal that bridge pickup have noise but neck pickup is nicely silent? Rhythm mode is also noisy. Could it be bad grounding? With Boss NS-2 I need to have thresshold near max to filter it out which break sustain. Bought Pro 2 and been nice guitar else, wouldn't want to send it back to England (I live in Finland). Probably will just take it to local guitar workshop here unless would try to do it myself with soldering iron, connectivity check thingy and good energy by following the videos here.
Update: I revisited the tremolo and grounded the wire in that cavity properly. Also bit dragged out a blue wire from under bridge pickup. Working perfect now. \o/ Big thanks for the informative videos.
That definitely sounds like a wiring issue!
Oh wait just caught the reply. Good going!
Would this help a similar problem with MIJ Hybrid Jazzmasters?
Hey mike! Besides fender/squier is there a jazzmaster type guitar with the right style of trem and tone circuit?
Awesome
Curious if the vibrato plate will warp over time..?
Modern plates, I don't expect they will. This is definitely something to look out for with mid-'60s trems, though. It's one big reason why Woody made the Mastery vibrato plate so thick. I actually had to reshape the body plate of the '63 vibrato on my CFM Jag because it was collapsing in the middle, but nothing a little work with a rubber mallet couldn't fix