Thanks for the great comparison, I have been shooting on the GH5 / GH5S and sometimes go with Canon C300 MK II + C200 , feels like the C200 is a great value. Except if I want to use the camera on a gimbal, I will need a full size gimbal instead of a Ronin S. I still strongly feel canon have great colour science. In India renting is very economical so I am planning to not buy any gear as of now.
Fellow Citizen The Sigma FP is a beta product at best. Too many issues, at its $2k price point, to be used on a paid shoot. I sent it back 24 hours after I bought one.
I own both the S1 and S1H too. I can also 100% confirm that the S1 DOES have dual native ISO just like the S1H. They both use the same sensor (very likely a close relative to the Sony IMX310 and IMX410) and therefor use the exact same EXMOR on-column A/D converters options that Sony sensors have on board. The dual native ISO is built directly into the sensor's A/D converters so the raw sensor data hand off already contains the two 0db functions. ("low" 0db and "high" 0db mode sampling) The major difference between the S1 and S1H is that the S1H gives you control over which mode you want between the low 0db and high 0db. The S1 automatically forces that change when you hit 4000 ISO. (which is perfectly fine) The only other sensor difference is the optical glass over the S1H sensor. It has an OLPF installed and the S1 does not. The S1H has truly a stunning image sensor that actually matches side by side to the Sony FX9...and in some cases beats it! The S1H and S1 have Sony's very best front end technology and combine that with Panasonics image processor and fantastic Panasonic CODECS and you have a camera that will complete in image quality with ANY camera on planet Earth and ANY price!
Thank you for share your knowledge, I have S1 but I do not know how to take advantage of the dual native Iso when I am shooting in low light situation. When I am filming in V-log I sould shoot in 640 Iso (good light) or 4000 Iso (low light) to get the best results? Example If I use 5000 iso, It should be cleaner than 3200 iso because it's the next step in the second gain circuit over the 3200, last stop of the first circuit? What about dinamic Range? Or only for noise? Thank you very much for your attention!
@@ratadeldesierto760 - You are correct, 4,000 ISO is cleaner than 3,200 ISO. These cameras have TWO "0db" levels...a "low" 0db and a "high" 0db. The high 0db starts at 4000 ISO and that is why it's cleaner than the low 0db at 3200 ISO. The S1 has an automatic dual gain switch. You cannot control it like you can on the S1H. Once you go to 4000 ISO, the S1 automatically changes to the high 0db and you go up from there.
my only issue with the dual native ISO is it doesn't seem to work in non-log profiles like Cinelike-D or Natural Profile. Can you confirm that as well? I just see the noise level increasing and not resetting once you hit 4000 ISO.
@@frankalvarez4959 Other than that, no. The great thing about the OLPF though is not combatting with Aliasing and Moire. That is a HUGE plus to the S1H over the S1. For the most part when I'm shooting in 4k on my S1 and S5, I don't have any issues. But when I'm shooting in 1080p and shooting highly detailed subjects, for instance walls with patterns, bride veils (I use 1080 60p for weddings since I can shoot Full Frame 10 bit 422), and other tight patterns, you can easily introduce aliasing and moire. That is a huge selling point for me on the S1H over the S1 and S5. But, is that hefty price tag worth it? I'm not sure lol.
I know this video is 3 years old. But I found it really informative and helpful.I have just bought myself a nearly new S1 and a nearly new S5. I was curious about how much the S1h differed from the S1 and this is one of the best videos I have come across that explains the differences and functionality of both cameras. Thanks a lot.
All we request it's being SOLVED: With the new firmware update (v1. 6 and v2. 0) We are going to get 5.9k, 4k 60p 10 bits, anamorphic, better AFC and even your wished rec frame indicator... Now the S1 is a no brainer for wedding videographers!!!
The 1.5 crop in 4K60P is the reason I can't buy it for my client work in Japan. We film everything in 4K60P for a 2160 x 2160 aspect ratio (180% crop in post). I'd be limited to the Sigma 18-35 or ultra wide-angle lens if I wanted things to fit in the frame. The GH5s with a metabones XL and Sigma 18-35 in 4K60P is just a 1.12x crop on top of a faster aperture at F1.2. Not to mention it balances perfectly on the tiny Weebil Lab S. Excited to see more updates from this channel once Pro-res raw is released next month though!
The SmallHd monitors have the red frame indicator feature! You have to turn on metadata in the overlay tab, we just got it working for our A7sii and it’s a game changer!
ClassicCityFilm wow never knew about that feature dang! Just tried it on the S1 and no metadata is being sent over hdmi. I’ll look into it further though 👍🏼 thanks for the tip.
Excellent comparison; very much fair and balanced! I recently picked up a S1 used with the 24-105 for $1999; looks to be brand new! Purchased the VLOG and love the footage out of the camera. It is easily a step above the A7III and the Z6 which I also have. The AF is typical Panasonic unfortunately.
Great review! I've been rocking the GH5 since launch. Just tapped into Anamorphic and I am blown away by the image quality and color using the full sensor. I'd love to shoot on the S1 line some day but don't think i'll switch systems.
The GH5 is great for anamorphic for sure. Having IBIS thought AND low light on the S1H, would be killer. Just not many native mount options really available for that system yet.
@@Whiteinrevery So many times, like you've said, I've been recording and put the camera up to capture something, actually stop recording and miss a moment or a clip I really wanted. Or I hit record and get 5 minutes of POV staring into the grass. It would be so much easier to see this red line on the back monitor just as comfort to know we are good. I know Panasonic has limited so much to get you to spend more on the S1H, but I think this is a small feature that can make us all happy, while not giving away EVERYTHING they are saving in the S1H.
High guys, so in love with your work ! I bought a S1 last year and was working (and still working) with an EVA1. I can't agree more with firmware differences, it's a shame coming from Pana ! If I can add something that is on S1H and not on S1 is the possibility to change Focal Lengh Setup for IBIS. This option is greyed and it sometimes ask me the focal lenght I used when I switch on the S1 but I can't decide by my own when I switch lenses. I would add that for VFR, I have the option @ 150FPS/25FPS. I don't know what % of slow mo it is but I guess it's better than 20%. I wish you luck for this difficult summer coming ;) Cheers !
Thanks for the comparisons. I think you mentioned waveforms a couple of times. Just to clarify (and I am sure you realized this), the S1 does have a Waveform monitor (at least with the VLOG upgrade... not sure if those S1's without the upgrade have Waveforms... kind of think they don't). Maybe you were thinking about the fact that on the S1H you can reposition AND resize the waveform monitor, while on the S1, you can only reposition the waveform monitor, but it stays the same size. Also, by the way, your wedding videos are very beautiful!!! Especially the ones shot up here in Marin :)
Thanks so much for that update! Can't believe I missed the waveform option in the S1 even though its capabilities are limited compared to the S1H. Also, thanks for the kind words about our wedding videos :)
Hi guys ! Panasonic just released the Lumix S5, do you think it worth to upgrade to S5 from S1 user ? I only have 1 cam & need to get another one to use for main shooter and will pass the S1 to my 2nd shooter ? Thank you !
It isn't promoted by Panasonic although it does show that the Dual ISO levels are available in the S1. You just can't manually choose those options in the S1. Also, I noticed when filming in other profiles that are not V-Log that the Dual Native ISO doesn't seem to boast the same results. I just see the noise gradually get worse instead of resetting at 4K ISO like in V-Log. Also, I can't shoot high ISO levels without getting tons of noise if I'm shooting in say the Natural Profile. So in that regards, if you want the Dual Native ISO response, you need to film in V-Log.
@@Whiteinrevery It's weird how Panasonic doesn't tell us that it doesn't have duals iso. Maybe it is because the dual iso of the S1H works in all profiles and not just V-log?
Calen! Do you shoot in 10 bit v-log as well as 60p 8 bit Natural, and use the footage all in the same sequence? How does the look matchup between the two profiles?
Quick question slightly off S1 topic - What's you current thoughts on best GH5 profile, specifically for weddings? I saw you have before recommended Natural, but then also V-Log. If only shooting 1080p I always love the 200MB vLog 422-10-bit 50fps, however I want to shoot in 50fps 4K, but that limits us to 8-bit. Do you get a better end result from 4k 8-bit Natural (with less dynamic range, but less grading needed) OR 4k 8bit vLog (more dynamic range, but more grading needed which is not good for 8 bit vLog). Sorry the long question, I would really appreciate your option, thank you!
Thanks for this comparison! Your work is pretty dope and been following a lot of your gear reviews in particularly around GH5 for some time now. You actually inspired me to purchase the GH5 to start films and it’s been great so far. I’m at a crossroads atm where I’ve invested into the M43 echo system but would love to simplify my workflow and gear. I love Philip Whites simplicity in just using the two primes and striping back everything else. My thought process is to sell my 6 lens, 2 GH5, Ronin and buy two S1 and couple of primes to start with. I guess my question for you is, How big a difference has the change from GH5 to S1 been for you? Is it chalk and cheese? How do you find the weight? 1.5 crop factor.... Love to get your opinion on this and equally would love a vid comparing GH5 to S1, as I’m sure there are many others like me sitting on the fence.
I can't speak for the GH5, but the S5 has overtaken my G9 for most situations. The S5 (and by extension S1) has 10 bit 422 4k 50p and unlimited 10bit 422 1080 50p. The colours in Cinelike V2, D2 and V-log are noticeably better than the G9, which is already excellent. And if you shoot in C4K and the right lens and lighting, the results literally look like cinema. Having said all of this, I'm likely to get a GH6 to complement my S5 because I have many native m43 lenses which are much smaller than their full frame counterparts. The weight of the S1 is just over a kilogram, heavier than a Canon 5D, so that's something to consider, too. Regarding Philip White's approach of two primes, he favours the Voigtlander 75mm f1.8 and 35mm f1.4, and he also uses the Leica Q for wide angle stills. On the S1, you can use manual focus primes, primes from Panasonic or Sigma, or adapted EF primes.
It definitely seems to me that the S1 is more analogous to the G9 and the S1H is more related to the GH5. I own both and pretty much all of the differences between the S1 and S1H also apply point-for-point between the G9 and GH5. Still a great video camera, the G9, and I got one as a third camera instead of a second GH5 (GH5, GH5s, and G9 for weddings now,) but there are some of those same limitations. Definitely seems like the S1 was more intended as a stills camera. Thanks for the video!
Actually the S1R was intended for stills as the S1 was intended for video. The S1H is intended as a cinema camera without really any intention to be used for photos.
LakeshoreStudio4 Does the S1 have wider Dynamic range than the GH5 even in Natural (or non V-Log) profile? I want to switch from GH5 & GH5S to S1 for weddings and DR is definitely one of the weakest points of the MFT cameras...
I feel like zcam f6 is a better buy for feature set and has better imagery similar to blackmagic. Thats just my opinion tho, just watching sample clips here in youtube.
Hi Calen, how do you guys check for critical focus? Do you use your smallhd monitors or do you use the peaking feature on the S1/S1H? See you in October at Venture! -Hai
see you again too! its going to be awesome. we check focus using the monitor but using the peaking from the camera as it seems to be slightly better than the monitor focus peaking.
Please add more event or outside the office B-Roll next time, so that we can see the performance especially for such a lengthy video. However, thanks for the information.
thanks for the feedback. if I waited until I did that, the video would take longer to post and we are working at 50% capacity right now not having childcare so it is what it is. I always prefer more b-roll and examples in videos. wish I had more time. thanks for watching and commenting. appreciate it.
It might be time to review this video now that we know that the V2 software for the S1 will add 5.9K internal recording as well as 4k 60p 10bit Internal and a host of recording tools.
It isnt release yet, correct? I know it will be coming. I feel like Panasonic listened to this video as they are adding most of those features I was hoping for. Really excited!
@@Whiteinrevery I film a little bit of everything from weddings, to corporate videos, music videos. Weddings and music videos mostly but S1h is just an all around for me for what it offers. Specially in weddings. That flip out helps alot with gimbal work in underslung mode the s1 depending the lens The motor of my gimbal will cover the screen I could add a monitor but I just found that too be too much for setup. S1 is a great camera I just dont see it competing with the s1h.
Totally agree. Once i bought the S1H and shot with it, it just blew my mind with 10bit goodness in all its flavors. I have a RED, but unless there are very specific situations, it just rests on the shelf because this powerhouse covers almost all the bases. Im finding that im not needing RaW as much as i thought, and because its a go anywhere shoot anything beast of a camera, from live streaming event shooting to documentaries to weddings and commercials, the pricetag that that pinched my sphincter a while back is just a number now. Lol. Im probably going to buy 2 more as soon as this shutdown lifts. A M A Z I N G camera!
it was pretty dumb if panasonic would implement the same firmware funktions to the s1 , no one would buy the s1h anymore. you have to feel the half price.
Simple answer: no. This is not who the S1H is for. This is a Netflix-approved cinema camera. You can still get AMAZING video out of the S1 and the GH5. The S1 and GH5 already offer broadcast-spec 10-bit 4:2:2, and the S1 includes the full VLog from the Varicam line while the GH5 has VLog L. Hell, I can get damn good video out of my G85, although it's a bit limited for color grading. My E-M1 II is somewhat better suited for grading when shooting in Cinema 4K. Unless you're filming a real movie or TV series, this camera is overkill for you. You most likely won't use or need the features that make it so expensive if you're a wedding or travel videographer.
@@Whiteinrevery Thank you! I just finished the video and loved it! Very well detailed. I just had to say something about the music volume because it's constantly overlooked. Just match average levels of the audio wave forms next time.
Would you purchase the S1H for double the price tag of the S1? What features would make that decision for you?
Thanks for the great comparison, I have been shooting on the GH5 / GH5S and sometimes go with Canon C300 MK II + C200 , feels like the C200 is a great value. Except if I want to use the camera on a gimbal, I will need a full size gimbal instead of a Ronin S. I still strongly feel canon have great colour science. In India renting is very economical so I am planning to not buy any gear as of now.
renting is a smart and effective way to run a business as well. Keep it up then!
The other consideration would be the S1 and the Sigma fp rather than just the S1H
Fellow Citizen The Sigma FP is a beta product at best. Too many issues, at its $2k price point, to be used on a paid shoot. I sent it back 24 hours after I bought one.
I own both the S1 and S1H too. I can also 100% confirm that the S1 DOES have dual native ISO just like the S1H. They both use the same sensor (very likely a close relative to the Sony IMX310 and IMX410) and therefor use the exact same EXMOR on-column A/D converters options that Sony sensors have on board. The dual native ISO is built directly into the sensor's A/D converters so the raw sensor data hand off already contains the two 0db functions. ("low" 0db and "high" 0db mode sampling) The major difference between the S1 and S1H is that the S1H gives you control over which mode you want between the low 0db and high 0db. The S1 automatically forces that change when you hit 4000 ISO. (which is perfectly fine) The only other sensor difference is the optical glass over the S1H sensor. It has an OLPF installed and the S1 does not. The S1H has truly a stunning image sensor that actually matches side by side to the Sony FX9...and in some cases beats it! The S1H and S1 have Sony's very best front end technology and combine that with Panasonics image processor and fantastic Panasonic CODECS and you have a camera that will complete in image quality with ANY camera on planet Earth and ANY price!
Thank you for share your knowledge, I have S1 but I do not know how to take advantage of the dual native Iso when I am shooting in low light situation. When I am filming in V-log I sould shoot in 640 Iso (good light) or 4000 Iso (low light) to get the best results? Example If I use 5000 iso, It should be cleaner than 3200 iso because it's the next step in the second gain circuit over the 3200, last stop of the first circuit? What about dinamic Range? Or only for noise?
Thank you very much for your attention!
@@ratadeldesierto760 - You are correct, 4,000 ISO is cleaner than 3,200 ISO. These cameras have TWO "0db" levels...a "low" 0db and a "high" 0db. The high 0db starts at 4000 ISO and that is why it's cleaner than the low 0db at 3200 ISO. The S1 has an automatic dual gain switch. You cannot control it like you can on the S1H. Once you go to 4000 ISO, the S1 automatically changes to the high 0db and you go up from there.
my only issue with the dual native ISO is it doesn't seem to work in non-log profiles like Cinelike-D or Natural Profile. Can you confirm that as well? I just see the noise level increasing and not resetting once you hit 4000 ISO.
So does the s1h and s1 have basically the same image quality? I get that the OLPF would change the sharpness of the image but other than that?
@@frankalvarez4959 Other than that, no. The great thing about the OLPF though is not combatting with Aliasing and Moire. That is a HUGE plus to the S1H over the S1. For the most part when I'm shooting in 4k on my S1 and S5, I don't have any issues. But when I'm shooting in 1080p and shooting highly detailed subjects, for instance walls with patterns, bride veils (I use 1080 60p for weddings since I can shoot Full Frame 10 bit 422), and other tight patterns, you can easily introduce aliasing and moire. That is a huge selling point for me on the S1H over the S1 and S5. But, is that hefty price tag worth it? I'm not sure lol.
Still waiting for "Reasons we Upgraded from the GH5" video.
I know this video is 3 years old. But I found it really informative and helpful.I have just bought myself a nearly new S1 and a nearly new S5. I was curious about how much the S1h differed from the S1 and this is one of the best videos I have come across that explains the differences and functionality of both cameras. Thanks a lot.
All we request it's being SOLVED: With the new firmware update (v1. 6 and v2. 0) We are going to get 5.9k, 4k 60p 10 bits, anamorphic, better AFC and even your wished rec frame indicator... Now the S1 is a no brainer for wedding videographers!!!
The 1.5 crop in 4K60P is the reason I can't buy it for my client work in Japan. We film everything in 4K60P for a 2160 x 2160 aspect ratio (180% crop in post). I'd be limited to the Sigma 18-35 or ultra wide-angle lens if I wanted things to fit in the frame.
The GH5s with a metabones XL and Sigma 18-35 in 4K60P is just a 1.12x crop on top of a faster aperture at F1.2. Not to mention it balances perfectly on the tiny Weebil Lab S. Excited to see more updates from this channel once Pro-res raw is released next month though!
its pretty exciting for sure. I just need to rent an S1H and a ninja V monitor to do a review haha
The SmallHd monitors have the red frame indicator feature! You have to turn on metadata in the overlay tab, we just got it working for our A7sii and it’s a game changer!
ClassicCityFilm wow never knew about that feature dang! Just tried it on the S1 and no metadata is being sent over hdmi. I’ll look into it further though 👍🏼 thanks for the tip.
thanks to you, just launched a new video showcasing that feature. appreciate the heads up!
White In Revery lets goooo!!! Glad we could help!
Excellent comparison; very much fair and balanced! I recently picked up a S1 used with the 24-105 for $1999; looks to be brand new! Purchased the VLOG and love the footage out of the camera. It is easily a step above the A7III and the Z6 which I also have. The AF is typical Panasonic unfortunately.
the weakest link :(
Very informative video. Was searching for a comparison video and your video gave me all the information I needed. thanks
Great review! I've been rocking the GH5 since launch. Just tapped into Anamorphic and I am blown away by the image quality and color using the full sensor. I'd love to shoot on the S1 line some day but don't think i'll switch systems.
The GH5 is great for anamorphic for sure. Having IBIS thought AND low light on the S1H, would be killer. Just not many native mount options really available for that system yet.
Excellent review, have there been any updates to the autofocus firmware of the S1H as of August 2020?
AMEN to the Red Frame Indicator light. PLEASE PANASONIC!
seriously!
@@Whiteinrevery So many times, like you've said, I've been recording and put the camera up to capture something, actually stop recording and miss a moment or a clip I really wanted. Or I hit record and get 5 minutes of POV staring into the grass. It would be so much easier to see this red line on the back monitor just as comfort to know we are good. I know Panasonic has limited so much to get you to spend more on the S1H, but I think this is a small feature that can make us all happy, while not giving away EVERYTHING they are saving in the S1H.
@@imageryweddingfilms2134 check the new video we just posted where this feature works on smallhd monitors :)
The new software update v1.6 it's going to add this function ;)
If you have the money...BLOODY YES!!
of course. haha
Amazing video as always! Also, beautiful backdrop Calen! What color is thaaat? 🤩
High guys, so in love with your work !
I bought a S1 last year and was working (and still working) with an EVA1.
I can't agree more with firmware differences, it's a shame coming from Pana ! If I can add something that is on S1H and not on S1 is the possibility to change Focal Lengh Setup for IBIS. This option is greyed and it sometimes ask me the focal lenght I used when I switch on the S1 but I can't decide by my own when I switch lenses.
I would add that for VFR, I have the option @ 150FPS/25FPS. I don't know what % of slow mo it is but I guess it's better than 20%.
I wish you luck for this difficult summer coming ;) Cheers !
I have both cameras and the S1 is the best value for money.
I don’t even shoot video and I watched this. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thanks for the comparisons. I think you mentioned waveforms a couple of times. Just to clarify (and I am sure you realized this), the S1 does have a Waveform monitor (at least with the VLOG upgrade... not sure if those S1's without the upgrade have Waveforms... kind of think they don't). Maybe you were thinking about the fact that on the S1H you can reposition AND resize the waveform monitor, while on the S1, you can only reposition the waveform monitor, but it stays the same size. Also, by the way, your wedding videos are very beautiful!!! Especially the ones shot up here in Marin :)
Thanks so much for that update! Can't believe I missed the waveform option in the S1 even though its capabilities are limited compared to the S1H. Also, thanks for the kind words about our wedding videos :)
Hi guys ! Panasonic just released the Lumix S5, do you think it worth to upgrade to S5 from S1 user ? I only have 1 cam & need to get another one to use for main shooter and will pass the S1 to my 2nd shooter ? Thank you !
Switching from the S1 to S5 is not upgrading... Wait to the software 2.0 and you'll get 5.9k and 4k 60p 10 bit
When you're shooting weddings are you using AF? The only thing that's stopping me from getting a S1 is the mixed reviews of the AF. Great video mate!
Would be great to share your current lenses for wedding season 2022!
Cheers
The S1 does have dual iso, this was actually found out in the facebook group of the s1.
It doesn't have it below 4K ISO.
It isn't promoted by Panasonic although it does show that the Dual ISO levels are available in the S1. You just can't manually choose those options in the S1. Also, I noticed when filming in other profiles that are not V-Log that the Dual Native ISO doesn't seem to boast the same results. I just see the noise gradually get worse instead of resetting at 4K ISO like in V-Log. Also, I can't shoot high ISO levels without getting tons of noise if I'm shooting in say the Natural Profile. So in that regards, if you want the Dual Native ISO response, you need to film in V-Log.
@@Whiteinrevery It's weird how Panasonic doesn't tell us that it doesn't have duals iso. Maybe it is because the dual iso of the S1H works in all profiles and not just V-log?
Calen! Do you shoot in 10 bit v-log as well as 60p 8 bit Natural, and use the footage all in the same sequence? How does the look matchup between the two profiles?
Very useful, thanks. Subbed :)
Great review!!!
Quick question slightly off S1 topic - What's you current thoughts on best GH5 profile, specifically for weddings? I saw you have before recommended Natural, but then also V-Log. If only shooting 1080p I always love the 200MB vLog 422-10-bit 50fps, however I want to shoot in 50fps 4K, but that limits us to 8-bit. Do you get a better end result from 4k 8-bit Natural (with less dynamic range, but less grading needed) OR 4k 8bit vLog (more dynamic range, but more grading needed which is not good for 8 bit vLog). Sorry the long question, I would really appreciate your option, thank you!
V-Log L and HLG have best dynamic range. But it's not as great as V-Log in the S1 and S1H. Id prefer 4k 60 with the Natural profile on the GH5.
Thanks for this comparison! Your work is pretty dope and been following a lot of your gear reviews in particularly around GH5 for some time now. You actually inspired me to purchase the GH5 to start films and it’s been great so far. I’m at a crossroads atm where I’ve invested into the M43 echo system but would love to simplify my workflow and gear. I love Philip Whites simplicity in just using the two primes and striping back everything else. My thought process is to sell my 6 lens, 2 GH5, Ronin and buy two S1 and couple of primes to start with. I guess my question for you is, How big a difference has the change from GH5 to S1 been for you? Is it chalk and cheese? How do you find the weight? 1.5 crop factor.... Love to get your opinion on this and equally would love a vid comparing GH5 to S1, as I’m sure there are many others like me sitting on the fence.
I can't speak for the GH5, but the S5 has overtaken my G9 for most situations. The S5 (and by extension S1) has 10 bit 422 4k 50p and unlimited 10bit 422 1080 50p. The colours in Cinelike V2, D2 and V-log are noticeably better than the G9, which is already excellent. And if you shoot in C4K and the right lens and lighting, the results literally look like cinema. Having said all of this, I'm likely to get a GH6 to complement my S5 because I have many native m43 lenses which are much smaller than their full frame counterparts. The weight of the S1 is just over a kilogram, heavier than a Canon 5D, so that's something to consider, too.
Regarding Philip White's approach of two primes, he favours the Voigtlander 75mm f1.8 and 35mm f1.4, and he also uses the Leica Q for wide angle stills. On the S1, you can use manual focus primes, primes from Panasonic or Sigma, or adapted EF primes.
It definitely seems to me that the S1 is more analogous to the G9 and the S1H is more related to the GH5. I own both and pretty much all of the differences between the S1 and S1H also apply point-for-point between the G9 and GH5. Still a great video camera, the G9, and I got one as a third camera instead of a second GH5 (GH5, GH5s, and G9 for weddings now,) but there are some of those same limitations. Definitely seems like the S1 was more intended as a stills camera. Thanks for the video!
Actually the S1R was intended for stills as the S1 was intended for video. The S1H is intended as a cinema camera without really any intention to be used for photos.
LakeshoreStudio4 Does the S1 have wider Dynamic range than the GH5 even in Natural (or non V-Log) profile? I want to switch from GH5 & GH5S to S1 for weddings and DR is definitely one of the weakest points of the MFT cameras...
S1 has waveform, only vectroscope is missing :)
Great content!
I feel like zcam f6 is a better buy for feature set and has better imagery similar to blackmagic. Thats just my opinion tho, just watching sample clips here in youtube.
I suppose you use a REC709 lut on the VLOG shots before applying your own luts? If so which one are you using?
Hi Calen, how do you guys check for critical focus? Do you use your smallhd monitors or do you use the peaking feature on the S1/S1H? See you in October at Venture! -Hai
see you again too! its going to be awesome. we check focus using the monitor but using the peaking from the camera as it seems to be slightly better than the monitor focus peaking.
What profile and profile settings are you using?
Please add more event or outside the office B-Roll next time, so that we can see the performance especially for such a lengthy video. However, thanks for the information.
thanks for the feedback. if I waited until I did that, the video would take longer to post and we are working at 50% capacity right now not having childcare so it is what it is. I always prefer more b-roll and examples in videos. wish I had more time. thanks for watching and commenting. appreciate it.
@@Whiteinrevery Well understood. Thanks for responding.
I currently buy the Luts WIR for weddings, I wanted to know which profile is the best in these cameras to use your Luts ?
we now recommend V-Log along with our conversion LUT we have on our gamut.io site.
Is the auto focus on native lenses pretty dependable?
It might be time to review this video now that we know that the V2 software for the S1 will add 5.9K internal recording as well as 4k 60p 10bit Internal and a host of recording tools.
It isnt release yet, correct? I know it will be coming. I feel like Panasonic listened to this video as they are adding most of those features I was hoping for. Really excited!
@@Whiteinrevery I’m really looking forward to the V2 upgrade, it will make the S1 a real beast 👍
Hey, what lenses do you use with the S1?
Why you don’t shoot 4k60 in vlog? (8bit in 4k60 mode?)
V-Log with 8 bit will perform very bad, you will get a lot of banding and magenta blocks. It was designed to work exclusively in 10bit.
@@LucaBono.Studio agreed. skin tone colors fall apart in the shadows.
Do you think the GH5 is still worth keeping in 2020 and even onward?
yes. still a good camera for that price.
I'll stick to my X-T3/X-T4 setup :)
They don't play in the same league
I owned the s1 and sold it right after the s1h. Big difference from look and what it offers. S1h takes the win
Do you film projects or corporate work or do you film weddings primarily? Just curious.
@@Whiteinrevery I film a little bit of everything from weddings, to corporate videos, music videos. Weddings and music videos mostly but S1h is just an all around for me for what it offers. Specially in weddings. That flip out helps alot with gimbal work in underslung mode the s1 depending the lens The motor of my gimbal will cover the screen I could add a monitor but I just found that too be too much for setup. S1 is a great camera I just dont see it competing with the s1h.
Totally agree. Once i bought the S1H and shot with it, it just blew my mind with 10bit goodness in all its flavors. I have a RED, but unless there are very specific situations, it just rests on the shelf because this powerhouse covers almost all the bases. Im finding that im not needing RaW as much as i thought, and because its a go anywhere shoot anything beast of a camera, from live streaming event shooting to documentaries to weddings and commercials, the pricetag that that pinched my sphincter a while back is just a number now. Lol. Im probably going to buy 2 more as soon as this shutdown lifts. A M A Z I N G camera!
The recording notification lights ALONE make the price difference worth it imo. I have so much footage of junk when i thought I was in stby. sigh.
I feel ya. Id get more out of the Red Rec Frame indicator than I would the Tally Lamps though since that transfers over HDMI.
just posted a new video where we get the red recording indicator feature working on SmallHD monitors.
@@Whiteinrevery thanks for the update, my guy! Now I regret buying the shinobi. 😅 Because this would be clutch.
The 8-Bit holds up well enough in grading?
It's good enough if you don't film in V-Log
Panasonic’s outofocus system is great
Kire S out of focus?))
it was pretty dumb if panasonic would implement the same firmware funktions to the s1 , no one would buy the s1h anymore. you have to feel the half price.
Both are overkill for weddings, just buy four GH5s’s and some Sigma Art glass.
bro... I just bought the gh5 and called it a day lol.
it's still a good camera
Simple answer: no. This is not who the S1H is for.
This is a Netflix-approved cinema camera. You can still get AMAZING video out of the S1 and the GH5. The S1 and GH5 already offer broadcast-spec 10-bit 4:2:2, and the S1 includes the full VLog from the Varicam line while the GH5 has VLog L.
Hell, I can get damn good video out of my G85, although it's a bit limited for color grading. My E-M1 II is somewhat better suited for grading when shooting in Cinema 4K.
Unless you're filming a real movie or TV series, this camera is overkill for you. You most likely won't use or need the features that make it so expensive if you're a wedding or travel videographer.
First, thanks for making this video. Second, please never ever make your intro music louder than your voice. It's unpleasant. Much love
Thanks for the feedback. I’ll double check it next time so I don’t blow your ears 😉✌🏼
@@Whiteinrevery Thank you! I just finished the video and loved it! Very well detailed. I just had to say something about the music volume because it's constantly overlooked. Just match average levels of the audio wave forms next time.
@@Chuchuguitar check my latest video and let me know if the music at the end blends well with the dialogue this time ;)