What happened to the dwarves after The Hobbit?
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The remaining 7 build a house deep in the woods, begun mining for gems and are perfectly happy till a stupid princess moves in and almost gets them killed
lmao
I know you mean about sewen dwarf and princes but i though first second of super mario or should i say Super Dwario
Considering that they had different names when that not-so-bright princess showed up I'd go so far as to say they became part of the Dwarven Protection Program.
😆😆😆
lololol. nice one!
So funny to me that some of them went on to fight tragic last stands or took up great missions and one guy just got so fat he couldn’t move
Bombur also had a tragic last stand. It was the day where he last stood 😁
He was waiting to be casted into
My 600-lb Life
They went up to Sauron and said “it’s dwarvin time”
And then they Dwarf'd all over the place
ROCK AND STONE!
😁
Then they smashed the foot soldiers and used ninja weapons to try and get inside Sauron's Technodrome.
They actually said "its mighty morphing dwarfing time"
I just rewatched the Hobbit movies and re read the book this weekend. Your timing is impeccable thank you for this!!!
I think it would be great to have a movie on Erebor during the War of the Ring. Start from the council of Elrond and follow Gloin's return to Erebor and the ensuing battle with the Easterlings. That would be a great movie!
Agree, but only if Peter Jackson is filming it and no studio pressures him so he has enough time for it 😏
Considering that Jackson is working on new LOTR movies, I think you may have your wish!
Honestly, I'd rather watch that than the search for Gollum...but I'm figuring the movie studios see more money in the Gollum venture
I don't have the books handy, but didn't it state in the books that some of the dwarves would stop in and visit Bilbo on occasion while traveling back and forth? It was around the very end of the book, or perhaps in the appendices, I can't recall
Yes, Balin visited him at least once, and Bilbo seems to have several dwarven friends that attend his birthday party
Yup, specifically Balin visted the most before he was killed trying to grudge for Khazad-Dûm. His cloak is taken by Bilbo into the Undying Lands@@Crafty_Spirit
You’ve probably already done a video on this, but if not: What IS the Watcher in the Water? Is there anything else like it in Tolkien’s world? Is it something like Ungoliant, that just crawled out of the void and into our nightmares? It clearly targets Frodo, is it a creation of Sauron’s or more like Shelob where it’s mutually beneficial?
Not a creation of Saurons, since "there are older and darker things in the deep" is while not word for word, is a meaning that is shown about the Watcher. It probably comes from the creation of the world when Morgoth started being discordant with the song and corruption was spawned.
It's one of a number of creatures Gandalf called the Nameless Things that lived under the Misty Mountains and possibly in other dark places in the world. My personal theory is that they are creatures bred by Melkor in the early days of Arda that he regarded as failures but Tolkien wrote what they actually are.
There's a number of decent videos about the "Nameless things" of Tolkien's universe
It's like a cosmic horror from my understanding
@@thehungryskink9852 "It has tentacles, so that means it's cosmic horror, right?!"
Your knowledge of the lore is extensive. Another amazingly informative video. Thank you.
Thanks for the interesting video. Also, I must compliment you on the quality of your narration - it really is excellent: Very smooth and pleasing to the ear.👍
I would not say that they each got a 14th share, as Tolkien himself said that after the Battle of Five Armies, there was no question of dividing the treasure under the orginal terms, but that since Thorin had repented his words and deeds at the Gate, Dain wished to reward Bilbo most richly, but not an actual 14th share (which is what made Bard one of the richest kings in Middle-earth, since Dain was going to make good on that commitment). Still, even the lesser amounts they received would be a lot of money and I doubt they'd need much once Erebor was restored.
That passage is a little bit confusing; I, too, thought for many years that *Dain* was speaking to Bilbo about the shares and the impossibility of honoring the original contract; but these days I'm convinced that it is *Bard* speaking to Bilbo, and Bilbo's small reward came from the 14th share of the treasure that Dain gave to Bard, and that Dain himself gave Bilbo nothing.
I'm glad you said that since I had the same thought! It's a truly huge amount of gold each - where would they put it? 😂
@@MatthewCaunsfield hey, just park it in the vault...banking you know. 😁
@@MatthewCaunsfield As Smaug himself pointed out to Bilbo in their conversations.
Each were only ever supposed to be paid 1/14th share of the _profits._ First they had to pay a bounty to Bard for the Arkenstone, which he used to pay for the damages to Laketown. Then after the Battle of Five Armies, there were expenses to pay for the dwarf army, as well as elven and human allies. Still, I imagine that Thorin's companions were paid well for their accomplishment of ousting the dragon, as well as whatever crafts they pursued in peace under King Dain.
After your Quest for Moria video this was exactly the question I had upon watching it. What did happen to the surviving dwarves after The Hobbit? I'm glad you decided to answer that.
Thankyou for tying it all together for us all!
Back in 1992 I DMd a D&D campaign that highlighted 2 wonderful dwarves, Obarr Hairsplitter & Maloxx Anti-acid. Maloxx was played by my good friend Shawn Hogan who passed away from the horrible AIDS virus. 😢
William who played Obarr is still alive these days. His whereabouts are unknown. I look upon those days with fond memories. Those 2 players brought so much levity & mirth to my campaign.
I brought the 2 dwarves back recently in a new campaign but sadly no other players played dwarves or playing dwarves now.
Dwarves bring such a wonderful element to D&D adventures.
We all have Tolkien to thank for D&D. His stories will live on for centuries as long as there are dwarves, Hobbits. Elves & wizards to recount their tales. Thank you Robert for your contributions to middle earth and its wonderful stories.
Nice, I have a Dwarves I spent mos of the points on luck and trap springing and also a very heavy drinker as im an ale man my self.
@@jamesfry8983 I used to brew ales & lagers back in the 90s. Actually named my brews after the Forgotten Realms, "Sembian Ale", "Mithril Mead", Etc..
Do you brew?
Ah... so nice to have a video like that pop as soon as you get off work !
Very relatable, just got off myswlf 😂
Dude, me too! Are we all working at the same office?!
I like to think fatty Bombur shot a crossbow during the battle and then sat behind the gate during the seige! 😂
This one question that I already know most of, as the discussions at Rivendell are pretty strong in my memory.
They argued for eternity about what the journey “wasn’t” about, rather than the friends they made along the way.
I still don't understand why, in the movie, ten of the dwarves looked like dwarves, but Thorin, Fili and Kili just looked like short people.
Great video, as usual!
It’s because they needed to have some younger looking better looking dwarves to attract a female audience for some fucking reason. Thorin was supposed to look much much older than Armitage does. And, as usual, Tolkien was right in his book and it would have made a much better story - and movie. But Hollywood doesn’t like that. Fuck The Hobbit movies and I wish this video didn’t use images from the movie, because they suck.
It's really quite jarring, to be honest
I can only surmise that Fili and Kili, being the youngest , had not the long years of beard growing and craggy faces as older dwarves did. As to Thorin, he was played remarkably well in the movies, so , what does it matter he had a bit of a different look.
I liked how some of the dwarves did not look like stereotypical dwarves. It gave them character. Also you can say the exact same thing when it came to the Hobbits in LoTR.
@@timz9862yeah? Well, you know, that's just, like, uh, your opinion, man.
Watching this with closed captions. What comes out is just hilarious.
Hands down my favourite LOTR channel, thanks Robert.
You know, having Bombour around during the siege might be handy to block a narrow passage ...
Love your videos, Robert. Well done on this one as well.
I wish we got more lore about the easterlings (I only watched the movies)
Excellent research.
Great video as usual.
A little known fact about Bombur: toward the end of the War of the Ring, Sauron sent a thousand pounds of poisoned cakes to kill off the entire dwarf nation. Bombur found out they were poisoned and heroically ate them all, sacrificing himself for his people. 😂😂😂
lol 😂
Ok but thats only a snack for Bombur, must of lived long enough after for a few whole cheeses and a drop of ale, I would expect nothing less, what would a thousand poisoned cakes of been to such a hearty eater.
You know you're a hero when you saved your people and no one noticed 👌🏼
They founded a series of circus troupes and toured the Shire and all the surrounding lands.
Wonderful synopsis. 👏👏👏👏👏🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
If i recall from the cartoon only six made it from the battle of five armies but i never knew after that thanks! 🎉❤
At least one of them was thrown down a well by a fool of a Took, announcing the presence of the Fellowship in Moria
They went on to sing The Misty Mountain Cold
I'm pleased that you pronounce OIN as O-IN and GLOIN as GLO-IN , I always read it that way.
This is just exceptionell good Content. Thank you!
They went back to Bilbo's place to eat out the rest of his pantry 😄
They started one of the greatest punk bands of all time.
It has always been a wonder did the dwarves just stay below ground into the 4th age and disappeared.
Somehow it is generally glossed over that the dwarves themselves didn't retake Erebor. They were more like catalysts and benefactors: Smaug was awaken by Bilbo and killed by humans. The humans and elves were stopped by the goblins, who were angered by accident and Gandalf. The goblins were defeated by a combined effort. So, at the end, the Lonely Mountains were more like asked by and given to the dwarves rather than taken. Wasn't it?
The Dwarves had the right to Erebor due to it being a Dwarven place to start with. The ruler of Erebor's direct descendant comes and claims it and has control of it before anyone else. And the dwarves caused the events that reclaim Erebor, so it works for them.
In the end, everyone was happy to see Smaug gone regardless of who fired the fatal shot. It was a combined army of Men, Dwarves, and Elves that the defeated the enemy armies of orcs and other creatures but it was the Dwarves who needed their home back. The Elves already had one and Men got Dale back. A win all the way around I'd call it.
Fortune can only strike when you venture out and seek it. The dwarves may not have individually brought about each of their successes, but they were arguably the catalyst
Why weren't the dwarves armour made of mihtril? They would of been almost invulnerable
"The sole mithril-vein of the Misty Mountains made the Longbeards of Moria wealthy". The Balrog is in Moria. Balin tried to reclaim Moria years after lonely mountain /erebor. And well... we all know what happened to him in LOTR. Along with Oin.
They opened a pub & drank away everything before they opened...
Request could you make a video about Aule and his servants.
Why did both Sauron and Saruman fall to evil?
Sauron because he saw Iluvatar’s plan for Arda and the Valar’s management of it as imperfect. Siding with Melkor was just a means to an end (that end being Sauron’s plan superseding the Valar’s rule).
Saruman fell because Sauron ensnared his mind using the Orthanc Stone, though he already had lofty opinions about his status in Middle-Earth which made him easy to turn. Robert did videos on both already.
@@danielriley7380 Yes he did.
But i´ll try and make it more precise.
What i am after is more of an analysis of Aule and his values.
Both Sauron and Saruman was his servants.
So they studied under him, what exactly was it about Aule and his Values that made two of his servants fall to evil?
All the other Valar also had qualities that could be corrupted into evil.
Gandalf himself mentioned that if he was to take the ring, it would use his desire to do good and turn it into evil.
So obviously Yavanna´s values could be twisted to evil under the right circumstances.
Yet we haven´t heard of any of her servant that fell to evil, both of the famous ones served under Aule the smith god.
so why exactly was that?
what was it about Aule and his values that made his two servants that would later be know as Saruman and Sauron turn to evil?
And what prevented Aule from traveling down the same path as his servants and joining Melkor?
@@Erikjust Apparently, in that world, interest in technology and machinery is considered most dangerous. I perceive a romantic and conservative subtext that you should not strive too hard to make the world a better place by accumulating scientific understanding and by working on engineering, but instead embrace what is natural, originally and permanently good, and remain in line with God's will.
It's not that technology is completely evil - for example, the architecture of the Numenoreans is represented as good and worthy, ever though it is less imbued with natural magic than elvish technology. Neither does staying away from machinery guarantee staying on track; for example, consider Radagast, Osse, and Uinen. Yet those who like machinery appear to have a higher risk of falling and typically fall to greater depths, if they fall.
It seems to me this is well in line with some interpretations of Christian teachings, and also with how Tolkien thought about the two World Wars.
Your final questions feels a bit strong to me - machinery is not *so* dangerous that it needs an explanation why someone liking avoids a fall. All the same, Aulë did come close to falling a few times, likely most of all the Valar except Melkor, even more so than Ulmo, who also did not always cooperate perfectly with his siblings. For example, consider how Aulë almost compromized Eru's plans by creating the Dwarves.
There are several aspects that prevented Aulë from falling, including his great respect of Eru and Manwë, and also his love of Yavanna. I don't think it is possible to pin down one single answer to such a complex question.
@@Erikjust Aulë and Melkor had some similarities; they both wanted to build and create things. But whereas Melkor wanted to create beings to be his servants and have dominion over, Aulë wanted to create to have others he could teach what he knew. We see this in the story of the creation of the Dwarves. That's why Eru Ilúvatar adopted, so-to-speak, the Dwarves and gave them full sentience, but Melkor could only twist what already existed into becoming like himself. You can also see parallels here with the Noldor, many of whom studied under Aulë and his Maia but the Noldor were also the Elves that Melkor targeted when he was released from the Halls of Mandos.
It's also worth nothing that we know few of the Maia that served any of the Valar but there were many more whose names were never recorded. It stands to reason that Aulë had other Maia who never fell to evil.
Tolkien definitely was not all that fond of technology. As best I can tell, he believed we relied on and used it too much.
@@Erikjust after Melkor, Aule also happened to be the first Valar to diverge from Iluvatar’s plan (by creating the Dwarves before any of Iluvatar’s own Children awakened). Maybe the fact he only got a slight reprimand, rather than a punishment, made them think they could also push their own agendas. But that’s just my speculation.
In the Hobbit movies, when Gandalf and the Fellowship traveled through Moira, a tome recording attacks by orcs or goblins showed a casket of the eldest dwarf, Balin, and many dwarf remains. I haven't read The Hobbit in many years (have the Golden version) but that is what was shown in the movies. You can see Balin, as a different character of course, in "Outlander'' as another ''robust character' a Highlander Scot.
Ori wrote the tome.
Excellent...thanks pal...
One of the questions that I had after the movies, but I was too lazy to search for it. Thank you IDG :D
The Hobbit has the Dwarves often be so cheerful and merry so its sad to know they eventually are killed in the future :(
Having read the books first as was getting irritated at myself for liking the dwarves when I knew they were going to die either in the Hobbit or LotR
I like to think that Bombur found a way. You figure a dwarf could create armour that could have him survive being fired from a catapult? Add some spikes on there, give him an axe for each hand… oh wait, I’m thinking like the movie.
I do believe you are thinking of R A SALVATORE - Thibbledorf Pwent, character who did exactly that
4:48 "That leaves seven (dwarves)"
Insert your Snow White joke here.
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Imagine if instead of The Fellowship, Tolkien decided that as a sequel to The Hobbit it should be Bilbo and the Dwarves again off on another adventure to destroy the ring.
The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings do a good job explaining why there were no Dwarves except for Gimli fighting at Rohan or Gondor. If they werent wiped out they may have shown up to help
It never made sense that Dain gave Balin and his crew leave to go back to Moria. Of all the dwarves, he was the one who had definite knowledge that the Balrog was still there, and that it was awake only two centuries earlier.
Very very interesting. Yhank you.
Not sure if you've done a video on it, but if you haven't can you do a video on the Easterlings attack on Erebor and the larger War in the North?
Thanks for the video.
Great stuff!
Bomba 100% was in the battle, and he just ate any orc that cake within reach.
Survived to excel at cake or not cake
This is interesting: At 4:33 you can tell that both the Cirth runes and the scribbled Elvish letters are actually English, transcribed into those alphabets.
"Wat(ch)'r in * Wat'r t(oo)-"
"Ca(nn)ot get (ou)t * e(nd) co-" (probably "comes")
"Drums drums in * "
"-r(e) Comin--"
( * These lines appear to use a mark like an apostrophe as shorthand for "the," which is similar to some of the abbreviations you see in real-world manuscripts, e.g. from the middle ages)
In the books, the "G" rune is written with two diagonal lines going up and to the right (it's plot-relevant, as Gandalf marks a stone with it on Weathertop to show that he'd been there). Here, it's written more like an English "K," visible on the second line. The runes for "R" and "ND" are also different from the way the Elves originally used them, but standard for Moria Dwarvish.
5:29 "...Christopher Tolkien even speculated later that perhaps this was a typographical error by his father.." I always think of JRR Tolkien writing in pen and ink rather than using a typewriter🤪!
He did! The original manuscripts are handwritten, with sketches on the same pages. His fast draft handwriting is much harder to read.
His early works were done by hand, but he used a typewriter for LotR. In one of the forewords he even mentions having to retype the book himself, because he couldn’t afford someone else to do it.
"Armed and armored with the best that Erebor could provide..?" How come the movies showed them wearing nothing, then?
In the scene where Thorin rewards Bilbo with the mithril chain shirt, the dwarves are wearing proper armor. Upon their sally out the gate, none...
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Peter Jackson not following the book for the millionth time
@@magicjohnson3121 How true!
😂🤣👍
In addition to the people of the Iron Hills, Thorin and his crew had left their families and many other dwarves back in the Blue Mountains. Most of them probably went to Erebor as well.
It’s told pretty well in the Council of Elrond chapter.
Odd, I seem to recall in my copy of the hobbit the Dwarven leader being alive long enough to speak with Bilbo, before passing away.
Yes, he wasn’t killed instantly, but was still considered to have died in the battle.
I wonder about dragon sickness. I think there was a little more than simple greed effecting Thorin. If all the gold was somehow tained by Smaug laying on it for so long then might have caused considerable issues. Maybe Bombur loosing all control of his apetite was not entirely by choice, and was driven by lingering dragon greed from his gold share?
Your great videos deserve betteer than to have movie thumbnails.
I would have wished Balin stayed alive and well. He seemed the most close to Bilbo and that friendship could have stayed.
With names like oin gloin and too many rhyming names is it any wander why the book is a struggle to get through and remember each and every of too many characters? Thanks for this video for finally understanding the dwarves as individuals.
What’s with the axe in that hobbits head?
It was a children's book, but I agree, the names seem rather silly for adult dwarves.
@@Rick_King Hilarious 😂 This reads as if the names are *from* (instead for) a children's book. The names of the Dwarves are all taken from a Norse epic poem
they used bomba as ammuition for the catapults lol
"Balin was shot by an oak". Must have been an Ent? 😂
Frodo's adventure 'dwarfed' what was happening with the dwarves. :D
They went on to become big stars in Italian Westerns.
Man, I couldn't even tell you what happened to the dwaves IN The Hobbit...
these guys always reminds me of kadyrov's chechens, and kadyrov's chechens always reminds me of these guys
It is quite sad to rewatch the films in chronological order and then see Balin's tomb and Dori's body. 😢
There were more than 2 dwarves at the council of Elrond during the Fellowship of the ring
I was just thinking about this 😀
4:48 those seven met a girl called snow white and lived happily ever after
Which dwarf from the hobbit is your favorite? Personally I like Balin, who seems like a kind character. Of course I’m partial to Gimli
Why do some of the dwarves look so human, while others look more "traditional" & different?
Just the movies did that
7 got a great gig with Disney.😅
I love gimli n gloin, they cute, funny n adorable
Straight to the salon by the looks of it lol
Mention should be made that Bifur and Bofur were not of Durin's Folk, so it is quite possible that they returned to their homes (presumably in the Blue Mountains) after the Quest. Fabulously rich they would have been, but they were not in truth Dwarves of Erebor like the others. (My take, anyway. :-))
I find it interesting that the dwarves are split among 7 houses, 7 rings. You know Tolkien was going off snow white and the 7 dwarves with that 😂
Also there were 7 of the 13 dwarves were still alive by the time of LOTR.
Not necessarily. Tolkien didn't care for Disney or that movie.
@@istari0 …I’m talking about the folktale??? Folktales are adjacent to mythology, which Tolkien drew from heavily. I forget if it was brothers Grimm or Hans Christian Andersen that documented the different variations of the story. The Disney version was not what I had in mind in my original comment.
@@AskMia411 I know most of these stories have a basis in folklore from a long time ago. I did not think the origins of the Snow White story included 7 dwarves specifically but having looked into it some more, you are correct. At least some versions had 7 dwarves or people who were quite small.
Do you have a video about the dwarves as a group? Female, male, family life, etc.?
Dain II may have become king of his people but deep down knew Thorin was the one who should’ve been king. Plus it was rather sad how three members of the company who reclaimed the Lowly Mountain, perished while trying to reclaim another lost land of the dwarves and their remains entombed thereafter to be discovered by the fellowship of the ring.
I have to disagree. Daín II Ironfoot became an absolute legend of a dwarf at greenhorn age and for what we know continued to be brave, temperate, and loyal.
And let's also be realistic regarding succession: Thorin at a high age did not have an heir
The best armor in Erobore!? None of them wore mythril. If they had no one would have had to die.
To be fair, you can't encase yourself completely in mythril. I mean, you technically could, but in the books Tolkien never mentions anyone wearing full plate. Even the Gondorians wore mail. Never mind the films, where their plate armour is completely useless against rusted orcish weapons (apparently no one told Peter Jackson that armour actually works). The face, neck, and limbs would still be exposed. Historically, the Roman segmented plate armour (lorica segmentata) was mostly impervious to weapons of the time, yet plenty of legionaries died in battle.
Mithril was rare and also not found in Erebor. Any mithril they had would have originated in Khazad-dûm. You weren't going to be able to equip an army with it.
Two questions, I was under the impression that after the Battle of five armies the 1/14th share agreement went up and smoke. Also how do you know that Gloin and Gimli had company on their trip to Rivendale. It would make sense because the idea of Gloin returning to the lonely mountain alone at such a time bearing such important tidings is not very plausible, but is there concrete evidence?
The images of the Hobbit movie actors are so incongruous with their actual deeds. So sad.
Splendid
After smoking sweet grass they got a few together and formed a band
U2 still going strong to this day
Gloin seemed to do the best. He lived long into old age and fathered Gimli.
To be more specific, Balin is Gimli's father's cousin.
They lived quite happily along with the men of Dale, until they were attacked during the war of the ring, where they were helped by the eagles (which is why they didn't fly the hobbits into Mordor)
I know Balin got his shit pushed in trying to retake Moriah
At least four of them formed a band called Windrose.
Retaking Erabor was never intended to succeed as it is in the direct line of Morgoth and would serve as an entry for another dark age. The battle of five armies prevented that. Since the dwarves weren’t as feeble as the men, Sauron’s influence needed entry points in the dwarven lands with much more effort and allies from Smaug to Azrog.
In movies adapted from books, characters that don't have a contributing role are discarded.
In the Hobbit, the plot would be just as effective IF.
ONLY Thorin Balin Fili Kili Gloin and Bombur were represented and Bilbo could still be lucky number 7.
HOWEVER. here would be a chance to insert other characters, they could free an imprisoned fairy from goblin tunnels, one of the magical race of Thrush could join as they escape the Elves.
ALSO Tolkien mentions other statures of Elves in Rivendale including some close to the stature of a Hobbot, one of these could join the throng from Rivendale aaaaanyway❤
breaks my heart every time that thorin dies 😢
I hope you make a video oh Thorin Oakenshield character.
thank you
What happened to the Watcher in the Water after the Lord of the Rings?
Most likely, without a balrog to push around anymore, it would have gone off in search of a dragon to rob.
The Dwarves eventually retook Khazad-dûm so if it was still hanging around, I imagine they killed it or at least drove it off.
The Dwarven Clans had their own battles, from orcs and goblins in their tunnels, to other mysterious creatures, the hobbit is a tale of the Erebor clan but not the rest of the clans