Latest update as of April 1, 2021: Alberta's top court is scheduled to hear an appeal by Matthew de Grood. De Grood is challenging the most recent ruling by the Alberta Review Board to roll back some of his freedoms--arguing the decision is unreasonable.
I think I speak for most Canadians when I say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! We are SICK and TIRED of criminal rights outweighing the victims!!! Our courts are a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m actually shocked at how light the sentences have been for all episodes of this series compared to what they would be in the US. Fit to stand trial means your having a trial.
@Nicole Henry that's ridiculous...there's a HUGE difference...they're CLEARLY better. The crime rate is Sooo much lower there. There's a never-ending list of statistics just on prison alone, that show just how much WORSE we are many They're so damn "nice" that they even
@Nicole Henry I'm sorry but that's ridiculous...there's a HUGE difference...they're CLEARLY better. The crime rate is Sooo much lower there. There's a never-ending list of statistics just on prison alone, that show just how much WORSE we are...not just compared to Canada~ but Australia/ the UK & pretty much the rest of Europe/Japan/etc.
That's not fair to animals. Animals do not carry hate and delusions and maliciousness. They only kill for survival. Whether it's to eat or protect themselves.
he was not criminally responsible when he committed he crime, therefore he is not culpable for the crime, therefore there is no jail time. What you just said is completely illogical
NCR / Not Criminally Responsible MUST BE ABOLISHED. Being mentally ill, mentally diminished, brain damaged or whatever IS NOT a license to commit crimes especialy with impunity. If you can commit a crime, you can do the time no matter what. DeGroot is a perfect example of this egregious injustice.
This man has a degree in psychology and criminal justice. He just fooled everyone involved, knowing he could just do a few years and get released, instead of life. Disgusting.
Episodes like this really piss me off. This would NEVER fly in America. Barely anyone gets away with the insanity plea in American courts. Canada is too easygoing with literally everything. Letting that man get the most lenient punishment possible is a slap in these families faces. The one with the Greyhound’s incident pissed me off so bad I wanted to cry. Like basically if you want to commit a murder in Canada just claim you’re crazy and schizophrenic and they’ll give you a couple years and let you go. Just sick. Something has to change!
Diana Prince who are you talking to? Who said anything about his psychosis? Are you defending a savage murderer with your comment? Are you high right now? Do you ever get nervous? 😂😂😂 No but seriously so jokes aside, idgaf what his “psychosis” was like, he outright mutilated someone in cold blood in front of dozens of people white the intentions on doing that from the moment he got on that bus,and blamed “the voices” like thousands of murderers do every single day. He knew what he was doing. And got away with it. It’s just sick and infuriating. There’s no excuse for that and he should’ve been punished to the full extent.
Seriously though! I really don't give a damn about his medical information, and I am sure neither do the families and friends of the people who died from it. Even if he became mentally competent after his little time in an institution, who should then been sent straight to jail for life. Not allowed back into normal life.
“The way the system is set up they never get a chance to heal”, that sentence is so impactful and painful because it is so true. He has demonstrated he cannot be a safe community member if he’s in a psychotic state and he has taken 5 lives and ruined countless others. He should be in a secure psych setting for the remainder of his life.
I realy encourage the families and friends to start a petition an meeting, revolution, whatever can influence the justice system to put the killer behind bars! This case made mi blood boil!!😠😠😠
Then to get out of doing the time just say you’re crazy and they will deem you “not criminally responsible” cause apparently that’s how they do things in Canada 😡😡
Omg i continue watching and i cannot believe this guy has his life in his hands! He promises he will take medication so we should feel safe guys. This is a slap on the faces of those families.
Barry Kirwan it’s the absolute worst, murderers do 5 years or they get off! Sickening! The way my crazy is set up, I’d get my Justice one way or another!
Like the one guy said “he’s never going to get better. He is medicated.” To even let him have the freedom that he has right now is ridiculous! No matter what he should NEVER be let out into society.
To Michelle, people have enough problems. Why not a positive stand to help. There are some crimes that are so heinous, that no one deserves a second chance. To allow him to live in a protected environment is a big step.
Claudine Schultz prison would be a protective environment… I know people who are on meds and when they start feeling great on the meds they decide they don’t need them anymore… And then what? Luckily it is not one of your family members…❤️
40:18 when that mom said people say the first year is the hardest but the Christmases never get any easier or the birthday’s. She is absolutely right. I lost my son almost 15 years ago. To all you parents my heart goes out to you and the family. I’m so sorry for your loss.
@@vidkid01 That's not how it works, it's now the hospital's board's decision, and when it goes to trial it's the jury's decision to find him guilty or not guilty.
If he has a mental illness then he should be in solitary confinement without even a window,till the day he goes to hell. It must be heartbreaking for the poor families. How unfair on the victims loved ones,how do they ever manage to move on and try continue with their lives. They’ll never forget their precious children but to be reminded of their tradgies every year must be so very hard for each one of them..Having to prove why he’s not safe to go back out into the world is ludicrous. Are the deaths of those precious 5 victims not proof enough that this man is not of sound mind.
That''s what happens, it's either "I'm well I don't need medication any longer, "I don't like the side effects" or "their medication is no longer working and needs to be changed." That's why they need supervision and or monitoring!!!!
I have worked in a mental health facility for many years. We were always instructed to monitor, not to regulate medications. On other words, the residents were not forced take their meds, no matter how chronically ill they were. We would sign off on the MAR sheet when they took their meds. If they didn't, we would call over the intercom system for them to come to the office. If they did not respond, then that would be their choice. HOWEVER. if their behaviour was inappropriate or violent, they may very well lose their housing. It's a combination of rights and responsibilities. Personally, I don't think this man should ever go unsupervised. He is simply too dangerous. Society should not be held hostage.
Exactly. I did date a guy with paranoid scizophrenia. It was one hell of a roller coaster. In the end, in sake of my own mental stability and wellbeing i ended it and never looked back. He stalked me for a few months, but last time i heard of him his mom put him and his twin(they BOTH had that condition) into a facility for their own sake. He used to say the exact things you quoted and sometimes started acting agressively when i forced him to take his meds. Sometimes i won, and he took it, sometimes not, and hell, it took WEEKS to convience him to take them again, once he stopped. It lasted for 2 years, happenedd 2 and a half year ago and im still recovering from that relationship.
This is horrific! I don't understand how these ''so-called'' crazy individuals always claim to hear the voice of G-d instructing them to do horrendous things like this, BUT NEVER hear HIM say, 'I love you?' Or. 'I love that other person created in MY image and likeness. Tell them that. Show kindness to them for ME?' Yet, always crazy stuff like this?! And then can ''discern'' it's to be G-d's voice?! Give me a break! NOT the G-d I ''yada,'' ''agape,'' and serve. Then to charge this guy with 2nd degree following decapitation and mockery with this you man's head! There remains NO help for either of them unless it is an encounter with the One True Living G-d through Y'shua/Jesus HIS Son! Yet, we don't want G-d to ''meddle'' in our lives or the affairs of humanity. Well, here we are and continue the inhumanity over and over again. G-d have mercy on Your creation in Y'shua/Jesus name lest we destroy ourselves and one another completely 🛐😥👀😯
His lawyer should be asked, if you trust him so much and believe he's fine now, then take him in as his guardian for a probation period. Would you feel comfortable with him under the same roof as your family? If not don't put another family in the position of having to be his neighbor etc...
I am still broken hearted over the loss of Timothy! His Mother is an amazing woman!!!! This story has affected a lot of people. Personally, I never rode a Greyhound bus again.
Tim's mom IS amazing. She is so gracious and eloquent in the face of what can only be described as a complete nightmare. I doubt that I would have her ability to go on after what she has endured. Canadians are utterly appalled that that monster got out after 8 years. This is pure negligence. The monster would never had gotten out had Tim been the son of a prominent politician or judge. He would never have gotten out if he was to reside right next door to THEM!!! I pray that Tim's law gets passed.
The first part it was said he said crazy stuff then asked for a lawyer . If you can ask for a lawyer then you need to be in jail after the psychiatric hospital.
So the victims and their families dont matter? The courts are solely concerned about HIS well being?!? Are u kidding? Their lives were taken. Prematurely. They didn't have a choice and neither should he
I lost my son but not to a criminally insane offender. I feel so sad and sorry for the families and friends of the kids/ young adults in this report. My heart is breaking for you all.
Unbelievable! If this had happened in the US, they'd be on death row, assuming they weren't shot on scene. I don't know how the families carry on with zero justice. What a crime by the justice system.
No. If someone is found to be mentally ill and incompetent to stand trial in the USA they are not put on death row. Look at the case of Albert de Salvo for instance.
From my understanding only certain states accept the death penalty. Just because that states has it, it's not commonly used. So your statement is a flawed flex.
The justice system is pretty much just relying on this guy to take his medication not to go on another killing spree! WOW! What if the next time he goes on a gun spree in a school or a hospital? Jesus Christ - why is his release even being discussed??? Also R.I.P Timothy 💔💔💔💔💔
I agree that absolute discharges should be off the table. It isn't enough to trust someone so ill to take their medication when the consequences of them not are so dangerous.
I have watched 3 episodes today and I have cried so bad to all of them. Thank you for showing the family members. Thank you for showing the aftermath of murder. Love your show. Kudos.
Even if he was mentally ill and psychotic, the fact he spoke about it so much before it happened shows premeditated murder. Mentally ill or not he shouldn't be out ever.
Right now he says he'll be compliant, but what about 15 years from now, or 10, or next month? The law needs to change regarding NCR issues involving death. So very sorry.
All these poor parents, losing their precious children. The pain never goes away. Five young promising young people losing their lives, I am so sorrow. God bless.
So, when he does not take his meds and goes back out into society and murders someone else, he'll be excused again of his actions. He is unsafe to ever to be released! There are many accounts of ppl like this quitting their meds and doing horrific murders.
Ignorant. I certainly hope that you or someone you love doesnt wake up one day with no sense of whats real or not. I agree. Keep him under strict supervision for the rest of his life. To refer to him as a "nut job" with complete disregard for him as a person SUFfERING with mental illness is so backwards. What he did was heinous, but his reality was very twisted....it was real to him. This is sad all round.
The bus is empty, the victim died after the second stab, why were they negotiating with him for 5 hours in front of that bus? Why did they give him 5 hours to mutilate the victim’s intestines but someone gets shot 5 times during a wellness check?
I have a sibling who suffers from schizophrenia and I believe he should be monitored about taking his meds because when he goes off them its really really bad . If he was to commit a horrific crime , I would demand he be supervised to take them .
I will never understand this “not criminally responsible “ thing! If you kill someone you should pay for that. Period! I just will never understand and feel so sorry for the families.. so incredibly tragic and senseless!
I was surprised when he was named here. I thought his identity would be hidden, but I'm glad we were told. I hope he lives in fear of being found out for the rest of his life!
I only watched part 1 a few weeks ago along with the episode about the victim being beheaded on the bus. I had no idea there was a part 2 and I'm frightened where this episode goes.
This is an excellent documentary. I deeply appreciate the platform given to the families. The surviving victims of violent crimes are rarely mentioned let alone given a voice.
People that are mentally ill who seriously injure or kill someone should never be allowed a full discharge, and not allowed to reside outside of group homes or facilities, must have regular drug testing, therapy, medication advice. The risk is too great.
My God. Having to go thru these revue boards that only show support for the killer with no support for the victims families year after year has got to be the worst thing. These families really did a good job of driving that anguish home in their interviews.
I have twin cousins. They both became schizophrenic. They were on and off meds all the time. It became hard for them to be around us as we got older. They never did anything like those men did but they struggled with it. The meds worked or didn't work and it was hard for them. In 2014 we buried one of them. And last Saturday the 26th we buried the other right next to his brother. They were my best friends and I couldn't help them. Schizophrenia is a horrible disease that must be monitored. You can't promise to take medication and have no one there to make sure you did.
If It was Trudeau's kids both of these men had killed , different outcome, that Lawyer if it was his kid , different outcome. Karla Homolka was allowed to change her name as well, married her former defense Lawyer and also had children to him and lives among unsuspecting neighbors who had no idea of her shady past until it suddenly was leaked to the press. Telling his buddy he is going to need Garlic for later on at the party sounds premeditated if you ask me. That freak of nature on the Bus , he should never been allowed to change his name or have the right to walk . God nor the Devil told him to commit the crime he committed , that was an excuse to not take Personal Responsibility for one self. If a Criminal's Medicine kicks in , then they would find their Conscience and offer to serve their own life Sentence five times over for taking five other lives. The Court System Uses the Bible when it serves them, then they go against what the Bible says when it serves them, because God made it clear that if a man breaks the " Thou shalt not Murder " commandment, then he shall lose his life as well. A life for a life.
The killer from the bus should be in jail as well. Wake up Canada, you're releasing brutal murderers back onto the streets with a slap on the wrist, instead of punishing them! They shouldn't be a part of society, we don't want or need them, they should be *removed* from society!
Once you have murdered once that thrill doesn’t go away, he’s a risk for life. He’s going to kill again watch and see!!!! My heart aches for the parents so bad! 💔🙏🏽😢
Latest update as of April 1, 2021:
Alberta's top court is scheduled to hear an appeal by Matthew de Grood.
De Grood is challenging the most recent ruling by the Alberta Review Board to roll back some of his freedoms--arguing the decision is unreasonable.
I think I speak for most Canadians when I say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! We are SICK and TIRED of criminal rights outweighing the victims!!! Our courts are a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m actually shocked at how light the sentences have been for all episodes of this series compared to what they would be in the US. Fit to stand trial means your having a trial.
You have no idea how much I understand you... in Italy it's the same!
Being polite isn't so good anymore...
@Nicole Henry that's ridiculous...there's a HUGE difference...they're CLEARLY better. The crime rate is Sooo much lower there. There's a never-ending list of statistics just on prison alone, that show just how much WORSE we are
many They're so damn "nice" that they even
@Nicole Henry I'm sorry but that's ridiculous...there's a HUGE difference...they're CLEARLY better. The crime rate is Sooo much lower there. There's a never-ending list of statistics just on prison alone, that show just how much WORSE we are...not just compared to Canada~ but Australia/ the UK & pretty much the rest of Europe/Japan/etc.
This guy took 5 young lives, they will never walk this earth again , why should he ever be released ??????
People are in prison for minor drug charges, and these psychos get to walk and possibly (likely) do something like this again. What a world..
The lawyer should let de Grood live with him and let's see if he can trust him enough to fall asleep at night.
😂😂😂
It's was an good idea.
Why was one of his first question in the ambulance I want to speak to my lawyer?
Right? Seems to me he knew what he did was wrong in the moment.
So basically innocent lives are depending on this guy to decide if he wants to take his medication.
Frightening isn't it?!
Smh😱😱😱what a messed up world
Yep Basically🤷🏿♀️ 🤦🏿♀️
like the guy on the greyhound bus...
I'm sick and tired of criminals having too many rights, when the victims are forgotten.
I think his (DeGroot 's) lawyer should take him into his home.
If this animal is left out and kills again the doctors that approved his release should be held accountable and charged with murder.
That's not how science or the law works.
Absolutly.
That's not fair to animals. Animals do not carry hate and delusions and maliciousness. They only kill for survival. Whether it's to eat or protect themselves.
why is he out walking around? This scares me.
I agree 100%!!
Well... if he is well enough to be let back into society he is well enough to do his time in jail
Agreed.
DITTO!
Well said
he was not criminally responsible when he committed he crime, therefore he is not culpable for the crime, therefore there is no jail time. What you just said is completely illogical
Absolutely. Well said
He ran from the scene of the crime and self harmed. He knew exactly what he was doing and exactly what he had done.
NCR / Not Criminally Responsible MUST BE ABOLISHED. Being mentally ill, mentally diminished, brain damaged or whatever IS NOT a license to commit crimes especialy with impunity. If you can commit a crime, you can do the time no matter what. DeGroot is a perfect example of this egregious injustice.
i thought America's justice system was crazy but this is insane!
Yearly assessments = pouring salt into the families' wounds😭😭
This story is infuriating me!!! I am appalled! He is crazy!! He should stay inside a facility forever. 5 people he killed. Unbelievable!!!
This is crazy. Part of the illness in serious mental conditions is a belief that they don't need medications and stop them. He is a ticking timebomb,
Not always. My heart goes out to these people. It's hard to comment on something if you dont deal with it.
The criminal justice system in Canada is a complete and utter disgrace! Mental illness or not, these murderers should be locked away for life!
This man has a degree in psychology and criminal justice. He just fooled everyone involved, knowing he could just do a few years and get released, instead of life. Disgusting.
Episodes like this really piss me off. This would NEVER fly in America. Barely anyone gets away with the insanity plea in American courts. Canada is too easygoing with literally everything. Letting that man get the most lenient punishment possible is a slap in these families faces. The one with the Greyhound’s incident pissed me off so bad I wanted to cry. Like basically if you want to commit a murder in Canada just claim you’re crazy and schizophrenic and they’ll give you a couple years and let you go. Just sick. Something has to change!
whats your medical expertise? You dont know a single thing about his psychosis.
Diana Prince who are you talking to? Who said anything about his psychosis? Are you defending a savage murderer with your comment? Are you high right now? Do you ever get nervous? 😂😂😂 No but seriously so jokes aside, idgaf what his “psychosis” was like, he outright mutilated someone in cold blood in front of dozens of people white the intentions on doing that from the moment he got on that bus,and blamed “the voices” like thousands of murderers do every single day. He knew what he was doing. And got away with it. It’s just sick and infuriating. There’s no excuse for that and he should’ve been punished to the full extent.
Seriously though! I really don't give a damn about his medical information, and I am sure neither do the families and friends of the people who died from it. Even if he became mentally competent after his little time in an institution, who should then been sent straight to jail for life. Not allowed back into normal life.
And his dad was law enforcement
DeGroot knew what he was doing before he went to that party. Why would he put gloves on so there are no figure prints.😵😵😡😡
“The way the system is set up they never get a chance to heal”, that sentence is so impactful and painful because it is so true. He has demonstrated he cannot be a safe community member if he’s in a psychotic state and he has taken 5 lives and ruined countless others. He should be in a secure psych setting for the remainder of his life.
The ones that grant this monster freedom should take him home with them .
Utterly horrifying. Those poor victims and families.
I realy encourage the families and friends to start a petition an meeting, revolution, whatever can influence the justice system to put the killer behind bars! This case made mi blood boil!!😠😠😠
I agree. He should be locked away until he takes his last breath.
If it was one of my kids, I would wait till he's released and take care of business myself.
I hope in a loooooooooooong time.... doesn't have to finish too quickly, must jave the time to REPENT... lots of time to tepent....
Frfr
Then to get out of doing the time just say you’re crazy and they will deem you “not criminally responsible” cause apparently that’s how they do things in Canada 😡😡
@Marla Hill WHAT ABOUT IF THE VICTIMS WAS ONE OF YOUR CHILD??? WOULD YOU DEFEND THIS MURDER TOO????
But you wouldn't get to use the "I'm crazy card" and would spend your life in prison. Doesn't seem right does it?
Omg i continue watching and i cannot believe this guy has his life in his hands! He promises he will take medication so we should feel safe guys. This is a slap on the faces of those families.
I thought the Irish justice system & legislation was crazy, the Canadian justice system & legislation is a complete & utter joke.
Barry Kirwan it’s the absolute worst, murderers do 5 years or they get off! Sickening! The way my crazy is set up, I’d get my Justice one way or another!
they still dress up too...
French justice systeme is as joke as canadians's. It seems like most of western countrys has become a dangerous place to live.
Philippines has the worst justice system...
... and I thought the Italian justice was worse... Apparently many of us are on the same boat!
This is really devastating! Sometimes I wish RUclips had A sad button or pissed off button!
I want to ask to De Groot's Lawyer, " What happen if one of the victim is YOUR CHILD, would you still think the same?"
Like the one guy said “he’s never going to get better. He is medicated.” To even let him have the freedom that he has right now is ridiculous! No matter what he should NEVER be let out into society.
So can a family sue the board if he kills again ?
This is so sad, I’m in Australia bawling my eyes out for those parents and their wound that keeps getting ripped open.
Well, the victims don't get a second chance in society so why does the perpetrator? If you kill someone then your life should be over too!
"He's always med compliant " Except the one time he wasn't. He's lucky this wasn't the states.
This is Incredibly sad to have to relive this every year. How can you heal from this 😔
Prayer
These guys should go directly to life in prison for the murders… Being let go to be free is absolutely criminal!
To Michelle, people have enough problems. Why not a positive stand to help. There are some crimes that are so heinous, that no one deserves a second chance. To allow him to live in a protected environment is a big step.
Claudine Schultz prison would be a protective environment… I know people who are on meds and when they start feeling great on the meds they decide they don’t need them anymore… And then what? Luckily it is not one of your family members…❤️
If he is insane...he is better off in mental institution. Should not be free by no means, but those who are really ill, do not deserve prison....
40:18 when that mom said people say the first year is the hardest but the Christmases never get any easier or the birthday’s. She is absolutely right. I lost my son almost 15 years ago. To all you parents my heart goes out to you and the family. I’m so sorry for your loss.
Upon discharge he should be placed in a jail cell, not walking around free....
His dad's a high ranking cop. I'm pretty sure that helped his case.
@@vidkid01 omg really... this is so wrong
@@vidkid01 That's not how it works, it's now the hospital's board's decision, and when it goes to trial it's the jury's decision to find him guilty or not guilty.
If he has a mental illness then he should be in solitary confinement without even a window,till the day he goes to hell. It must be heartbreaking for the poor families. How unfair on the victims loved ones,how do they ever manage to move on and try continue with their lives. They’ll never forget their precious children but to be reminded of their tradgies every year must be so very hard for each one of them..Having to prove why he’s not safe to go back out into the world is ludicrous. Are the deaths of those precious 5 victims not proof enough that this man is not of sound mind.
@@vidkid01 You think a cop influenced 3 doctors? To the point they straight up lied in court? I don't know about that.
That''s what happens, it's either "I'm well I don't need medication any longer, "I don't like the side effects" or "their medication is no longer working and needs to be changed." That's why they need supervision and or monitoring!!!!
I have worked in a mental health facility for many years. We were always instructed to monitor, not to regulate medications. On other words, the residents were not forced take their meds, no matter how chronically ill they were. We would sign off on the MAR sheet when they took their meds. If they didn't, we would call over the intercom system for them to come to the office. If they did not respond, then that would be their choice. HOWEVER. if their behaviour was inappropriate or violent, they may very well lose their housing. It's a combination of rights and responsibilities. Personally, I don't think this man should ever go unsupervised. He is simply too dangerous. Society should not be held hostage.
Exactly. I did date a guy with paranoid scizophrenia. It was one hell of a roller coaster. In the end, in sake of my own mental stability and wellbeing i ended it and never looked back. He stalked me for a few months, but last time i heard of him his mom put him and his twin(they BOTH had that condition) into a facility for their own sake. He used to say the exact things you quoted and sometimes started acting agressively when i forced him to take his meds. Sometimes i won, and he took it, sometimes not, and hell, it took WEEKS to convience him to take them again, once he stopped. It lasted for 2 years, happenedd 2 and a half year ago and im still recovering from that relationship.
If you’re so far gone to do some crimes I don’t think one can ever be trusted to be out in society. Damn....
Especially when you decapitate and cannibalize another human being!!!
Agree and he should never be allowed out cus he will kill again!
This is horrific! I don't understand how these ''so-called'' crazy individuals always claim to hear the voice of G-d instructing them to do horrendous things like this, BUT NEVER hear HIM say, 'I love you?' Or. 'I love that other person created in MY image and likeness. Tell them that. Show kindness to them for ME?'
Yet, always crazy stuff like this?! And then can ''discern'' it's to be G-d's voice?! Give me a break! NOT the G-d I ''yada,'' ''agape,'' and serve.
Then to charge this guy with 2nd degree following decapitation and mockery with this you man's head!
There remains NO help for either of them unless it is an encounter with the One True Living G-d through Y'shua/Jesus HIS Son!
Yet, we don't want G-d to ''meddle'' in our lives or the affairs of humanity. Well, here we are and continue the inhumanity over and over again.
G-d have mercy on Your creation in Y'shua/Jesus name lest we destroy ourselves and one another completely 🛐😥👀😯
I agree fully
His lawyer should be asked, if you trust him so much and believe he's fine now, then take him in as his guardian for a probation period. Would you feel comfortable with him under the same roof as your family? If not don't put another family in the position of having to be his neighbor etc...
I couldn't stop my tears. These two people murdered innocent people and the system killed the parents of the victims !!!
I am still broken hearted over the loss of Timothy! His Mother is an amazing woman!!!! This story has affected a lot of people. Personally, I never rode a Greyhound bus again.
Tim's mom IS amazing. She is so gracious and eloquent in the face of what can only be described as a complete nightmare. I doubt that I would have her ability to go on after what she has endured. Canadians are utterly appalled that that monster got out after 8 years. This is pure negligence. The monster would never had gotten out had Tim been the son of a prominent politician or judge. He would never have gotten out if he was to reside right next door to THEM!!! I pray that Tim's law gets passed.
peggy peggy ❤️
What in the actual FFFF! Cammon Canadians, raise hell over this one. It’s a clear no brainer.
Why hold these families at ransom like this?
Why request an Attorney AFTER rambling on “ incoherently”
The first part it was said he said crazy stuff then asked for a lawyer . If you can ask for a lawyer then you need to be in jail after the psychiatric hospital.
Yes, he knew what he was doing but knew if he play the crazy act he will be released after a few years.
I have a suggestion: have him live with those review group member's family for couple years. Then we can talk about it. Ridiculous!
So the victims and their families dont matter? The courts are solely concerned about HIS well being?!? Are u kidding? Their lives were taken. Prematurely. They didn't have a choice and neither should he
But if they do kill again then they can just say "Oh well, Im still crazy so you better find me NCR again"...Revolving door for killers.
He played the entire judiciary system like a fiddle. Disgusting.
"De Grood promises he'll always takes his medication..." until he doesn't...
The laws of Canada, really do need changing. Letting these mongrels free, is a joke.
I lost my son but not to a criminally insane offender. I feel so sad and sorry for the families and friends of the kids/ young adults in this report. My heart is breaking for you all.
Of course he will promise he will take his medication! Omg
What a crazy law!
Unbelievable! If this had happened in the US, they'd be on death row, assuming they weren't shot on scene. I don't know how the families carry on with zero justice. What a crime by the justice system.
No. If someone is found to be mentally ill and incompetent to stand trial in the USA they are not put on death row. Look at the case of Albert de Salvo for instance.
From my understanding only certain states accept the death penalty. Just because that states has it, it's not commonly used. So your statement is a flawed flex.
you're factually incorrect. The insanity defense functions the same way in the US- it is not commonly used, but does exist.
The justice system is pretty much just relying on this guy to take his medication not to go on another killing spree! WOW! What if the next time he goes on a gun spree in a school or a hospital? Jesus Christ - why is his release even being discussed???
Also R.I.P Timothy 💔💔💔💔💔
I agree that absolute discharges should be off the table. It isn't enough to trust someone so ill to take their medication when the consequences of them not are so dangerous.
The inmates are running the asylum.
What the hell is wrong with Canadian Justice?
If he’s let out anyone who vouched for him should go to jail. (Doctors, lawyers all of em)
I have watched 3 episodes today and I have cried so bad to all of them. Thank you for showing the family members. Thank you for showing the aftermath of murder. Love your show. Kudos.
He bluffed the system. He knew exactly what he was doing when he killed them.
Even if he was mentally ill and psychotic, the fact he spoke about it so much before it happened shows premeditated murder. Mentally ill or not he shouldn't be out ever.
Livi Jean he asked for a lawyer,, didn’t worry the lawyer woz a vampire 🧛♂️
Ummmm, absolute discharge? He needs to be on that absolute locked up for life.
He should be allowed to live with his lawyer.
Right now he says he'll be compliant, but what about 15 years from now, or 10, or next month? The law needs to change regarding NCR issues involving death. So very sorry.
All these poor parents, losing their precious children. The pain never goes away. Five young promising young people losing their lives, I am so sorrow. God bless.
So, when he does not take his meds and goes back out into society and murders someone else, he'll be excused again of his actions. He is unsafe to ever to be released! There are many accounts of ppl like this quitting their meds and doing horrific murders.
He should Never be free - sorry but he is a Nut Job-give the families some peace 😢😢😢😢😢
Ignorant. I certainly hope that you or someone you love doesnt wake up one day with no sense of whats real or not. I agree. Keep him under strict supervision for the rest of his life. To refer to him as a "nut job" with complete disregard for him as a person SUFfERING with mental illness is so backwards. What he did was heinous, but his reality was very twisted....it was real to him. This is sad all round.
I'm 4 minutes in with tears streaming down my face listening to the loved ones speak at the memorial.
The bus is empty, the victim died after the second stab, why were they negotiating with him for 5 hours in front of that bus? Why did they give him 5 hours to mutilate the victim’s intestines but someone gets shot 5 times during a wellness check?
Lovely justice system. The families of the victims get to keep getting victimized over and over. It's like the gift that keeps on giving.
Also he will do it again I'm sure. It's not safe for the community for him to be out
I absolutely enjoy this channel. Thank you for the stories & for sharing the victims lives with us. My heart goes out to the families ❤
WoW Canadian laws are jokes
I have a sibling who suffers from schizophrenia and I believe he should be monitored about taking his meds because when he goes off them its really really bad .
If he was to commit a horrific crime , I would demand he be supervised to take them .
I will never understand this “not criminally responsible “ thing! If you kill someone you should pay for that. Period! I just will never understand and feel so sorry for the families.. so incredibly tragic and senseless!
I just want to hug the families. It's so heartbreaking. There are no words
They need Tim’s Law definitely.
This all so very sad 😥
RIP 5 and Timothy 🙏 ⚰ 🙏
Time to change the laws!!
Will Baker, best remember that name.
I was surprised when he was named here. I thought his identity would be hidden, but I'm glad we were told. I hope he lives in fear of being found out for the rest of his life!
Hugs to Tim's mom and the families of the Brentwood 5. I'm livid and I cannot imagine how they're all feeling
I only watched part 1 a few weeks ago along with the episode about the victim being beheaded on the bus. I had no idea there was a part 2 and I'm frightened where this episode goes.
I'm so sorry for the inocents victims and sorry for the overconfidence from the lawyer.
Wrong, complete wrong.
RIP. GOD GIVE PEACE TO THE FAMILIES.
This all broke my ❤
This is an excellent documentary. I deeply appreciate the platform given to the families. The surviving victims of violent crimes are rarely mentioned let alone given a voice.
So tragic and how sad 😔 my heart goes out to the families who lost their loved ones🙏
Tough and scary. Great show
And the families of the those 5 children need support and help as well
This is the craziest law I ever heard of
Matthew better hope no one pulls a " Degroot" on him when he's enjoying his freedom.
Canada needs to review and update their laws. In the U.K. these men would be put in hospital for the rest of their lives.
People that are mentally ill who seriously injure or kill someone should never be allowed a full discharge, and not allowed to reside outside of group homes or facilities, must have regular drug testing, therapy, medication advice. The risk is too great.
My God. Having to go thru these revue boards that only show support for the killer with no support for the victims families year after year has got to be the worst thing. These families really did a good job of driving that anguish home in their interviews.
I have twin cousins. They both became schizophrenic. They were on and off meds all the time. It became hard for them to be around us as we got older. They never did anything like those men did but they struggled with it. The meds worked or didn't work and it was hard for them. In 2014 we buried one of them. And last Saturday the 26th we buried the other right next to his brother. They were my best friends and I couldn't help them. Schizophrenia is a horrible disease that must be monitored. You can't promise to take medication and have no one there to make sure you did.
@@parttimehallmonitor thank you. It means a lot.
If It was Trudeau's kids both of these men had killed , different outcome, that Lawyer if it was his kid , different outcome. Karla Homolka was allowed to change her name as well, married her former defense Lawyer and also had children to him and lives among unsuspecting neighbors who had no idea of her shady past until it suddenly was leaked to the press. Telling his buddy he is going to need Garlic for later on at the party sounds premeditated if you ask me. That freak of nature on the Bus , he should never been allowed to change his name or have the right to walk . God nor the Devil told him to commit the crime he committed , that was an excuse to not take Personal Responsibility for one self. If a Criminal's Medicine kicks in , then they would find their Conscience and offer to serve their own life Sentence five times over for taking five other lives. The Court System Uses the Bible when it serves them, then they go against what the Bible says when it serves them, because God made it clear that if a man breaks the " Thou shalt not Murder " commandment, then he shall lose his life as well. A life for a life.
let him go live with the lawyer
The killer from the bus should be in jail as well. Wake up Canada, you're releasing brutal murderers back onto the streets with a slap on the wrist, instead of punishing them! They shouldn't be a part of society, we don't want or need them, they should be *removed* from society!
Once you have murdered once that thrill doesn’t go away, he’s a risk for life. He’s going to kill again watch and see!!!! My heart aches for the parents so bad! 💔🙏🏽😢
😮 really????? SMFH I’m out of words speechless 😶! My love and condolences goes out to the families, I pray that justice will be served.