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I wish you had included more of James Cameron’s interviews. Dude kept it REAL with his interviews during the first few days of the “search” and called out Stockton Rush HARD. James said that all of the industry leaders got together and wrote a letter of warning to Rush about the danger of a sub with a carbon fiber hull, how it can’t hold up to repeated compressive stress, and Rush chose to ignore it. It also came out that Rush fired a director for raising safety concerns. He made sure that he was surrounded by “yes men”. Rush was completely reckless and thought that he knew better than leaders of the industry. He has interviews where he speaks very condescendingly towards regulations. The man is a criminal as far as I am concerned.
James Cameron interviews were pretty amazing yeah, I watched them all before making this, just had to edit down. He really did forewarn exactly what happened!
Rush said he didn't want to employ '50 year old white guys', as they were not 'inspirational'. Garbage, of course. Truth is he preferred to hire kids, because they're cheap and obedient.
You can tell from Rush's interviews that he was very dead-set on leaving his mark on history. I mean dude wanted to be the first on Mars and couldn't so he looked to be the first to "pioneer" submersible tourism. He was so hyper-focused on it right down to his demise.
I was very impressed by Mr Cameron’s intelligence and insight into this. I knew he’d been down there before, but I had no idea how knowledgeable he is about it.
No, we shouldn’t have applauded Stockton. There is a difference here considering good science told him his idea wouldn’t work. He was reckless, not innovative.
Exactly - if Rush wanted to risk his own neck, that's fine. But to risk the lives of the public (one just 19 years old), because he needed their dollars to fund his ego trip, is unforgivable.
It was so irritating to see clips of him going on about innovation. This is very simple and people have been doing it since before he was born. It isn’t an area that needs fucking innovation. Those regulations exist for a reason. He’s was a straight up moron.
@@posticusmaximus1739expired carbon fiber, a poly view window only rated for a fraction of the depth, lack of testing after pressure and depressure cycles, the fact that the carbon fiber was wrapped on the cylinder in a manner unfit for 3800 meters, the epoxy gluing titanium and carbon fiber together, 2 different materials that expand and contract at different rates, the stupidity and hubris of Rush. Pretty much everything together contributed to the failure. A tube is much more likely to fail in any material, vs a sphere in steel or titanium.
A _perfect_ sphere, no less. At the depth the Titanic rests, the pressure is so intense that even a 1% deviation from "perfect sphere" results in something like a 35% reduction in hull strength. The pressure is so crazy at those depths that we mere surface-dwellers have a tough time imagining it.
That 'he didn't want to go' thing was robustly contradicted by his mother. In fact he was so excited he took his Rubiks Cube down to break a record with it. EDIT: To @screw_it_why_not and anyone else who misunderstood my above post - Ye Gods, I'm not defending 'OceanGate'! I'm merely pointing out that 'recollections vary' within the Dawood family about 19 year old Suleman's enthusiasm for the 'Titanic' trip. There's no question the media seized on a relative's claim that Suleman didn't want to go, and that was entirely predictable spin from journalists milking the human tragedy angle. Journalists do that! I don't imagine for one moment his father Shahzada would have taken his beloved son on that carbon fibre cola-can, if he'd had any conception he was risking his life - and of course, his own. Which only confirms the power of some narcissistic abusers to manipulate others to their will - in this case, Stockton Rush's skill as a snake oil salesman. Rush was able to persuade some of the world's most successful and talented billionaires to fund his personal ego trip, without any clue they were joining him in a game of sub-aqua Russian Roulette. Astonishingly, even legendary mariner PH Nargeolet, a leading expert in the field of deep ocean exploration, was fooled by Rush's dodgy 'Titanic' tours. I believe the 'Titan' tragedy above all is a cautionary tale about the danger and toxicity of narcissistic abusers like Stockton Rush. He's not the only one out there. They wreak havoc on innocent lives every year.
well gutting for all i think apart from Stockton pushing the boundaries, perhaps a little too far (understatement), as i said in another comment and on various other YT videos, and bare in mind i'm just an armchair designer and a complete idiot with an once of an IQ, but when faced with the questions raised, simply Google the answer - there is a plethora of information regarding some of the answers people are looking for, search for 'carbon fibre failures' and 'galvanic corrosion' - many of these things are well documented and indeed we see many things come up in air accident investigations, many alarm bells ringing, and mostly ignored because someone is innovative and pushing the boundaries that were not recognised and probably dismissed by authorities - while the design might have been innovative, it really needed some basic design features adding into it, and why it was never tested to destruction using remote robotics could have been so easily implemented - there's a lot of madness in the world and we just have to get on with it
@glamdolly30: I still feel sorry for the young man. I went there at his father’s side, on Fathers’ Day, was it? He didn’t pay the $250K passage, his father did. Yeh, I feel very sad about the kid with his RUBIK’s Cube and his future ahead of him; maybe celebrating with his mother (and father!) safely on the surface…..
I feel for PH Nargeolet. He didn't pay a quarter of a million, he was basically the sub pilot, and he had more dives than Robert Ballard and James Cameron
The most fascinating part about all of it was the families going on talk shows and the news talking about finding their bodies for "closure" and then the interviewers you can tell are really trying to figure out how to break it to them that their bodies no longer exist because they were detonated with the force of a hand grenade in a millisecond
Hand grenade would be a massive understatement. The force of a hand grenade is several hundred psi, the force that was exerted on the Titan was over 5500 psi. The implosion would have condensed any soft matter into a space the size of a beach ball, while also applying immense heat. Whatever remained of the victims would have been fragments of bone and teeth, and possibly some liquified soft tissues. There wouldn’t likely be any bigger than just a few cm. It is unfathomable what actually happened to the souls on board. Thankfully, the entire event took place in 1/5 of the time is takes for a human to even react to stimuli, so there would have been absolutely no suffering or knowledge of what was happening.
@SonyaLCH I agree. At 9:28, they had noticed the first alarm at 3400m. Then, not even 20 minutes later at 9:46 and after already beginning to ascend, they state "more sounds aft". Obviously that means they were already hearing the catastrophic failure on the outside. No matter how much someone can stay calm, I'm sure there was massive panic for those 20ish minutes before the implosion, at least from some of them. I feel for that kid. Damn.
Something not a ton of people are pointing out is that Stockton Rush got his engineering start in the world of aviation and aerospace engineering where a carbon fiber composite works extremely well. Unfortunately, he must have not done his research about external pressure on composite materials when switching his dreams to deep ocean exploration. He seemed to apply his knowledge from aerospace engineering to marine vehicle engineering which is flawed. Completely different variables…
And he made the hull cheap it was not put in a kiln to get the resin bubbles removed. So as they went down the bubbles popped and compromised the structural integrity.
It was fine up to a point, but what Rush didn't acknowledge was the inevitable deterioration of the carbon fibre after every compression/decompression cycle. If he'd made a brand new Titan sub annually, it would have had a fighting chance. But that would have cost a lot of money - money he simply wasn't willing to invest in 'mere' safety.
@@williesnyder2899 Yes, the window was another serious weakness, good point. Seems to me Rush had an extreme case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Those affected by NPD don't question their own decisions, and have a blind faith in their own default ability to triumph. Had he only been taking these risks by himself, fair enough. That he was taking others on his egotistical game of Russian Roulette is unforgivable. He has left a lousy legacy for his widow and family.
This is a very good documentary. But to be honest, I don't think we do need people like Stockton Rush. We need more people like James Cameron and all the people who really know and understand the risks, do everything they can to plan for them, who are not too proud or too cheap to take the advice of true experts. I knew about Rush's misrepresentation of classification societies, and it already irked me. Classification societies do have a very standardised way of working for the vast majority of vessels they certify, but they are also happy to do first-principles assessment of novel designs. That's obviously more expensive, so I assumed the choice not to classify this vessel was down to penny-pinching. NOW I find out, thanks to your doc, that that's not the case. That he approached a classification society and *they said no*. Trust me, that doesn't happen. They are usually happy to take your money and tell you what's wrong with your idea. If they said no, that means the basic concept was so flawed that no amount of calculations could prove it to be sound. My best guess is that that's because of the hull material, that they have a hard line that composites are not a suitable hull material for these depths. If I'm right, then all the other societies will probably take the same line, as they work hard to keep their rules as close to equivalence as possible. Whether I'm right about the specific issue that put Lloyds off, or if it was something else, they said no. Rush was so arrogant that he pushed ahead anyway, badmouthed classification societies in general, and deceived his paying passengers about the level of risk by saying he had consulted NASA and Boeing. What would they know about this? The pressure differential at the Titanic is many, many times greater than you would ever encounter at altitude or in space, and as Cameron said, it acts inwards, not out. NASA and Boeing are not the experts in this. The experts are Lloyds Register and their peers. They are our repository of human knowledge of how not to die at sea. Hopefully this incident will encourage others to recognise that expertise.
I was a passenger on the Titan- 3 times. Passengers (“mission specialist” title was a trick to avoid liability and a trick to convince victims they were actually part of a scientific expedition. I have written correspondence from OceanGate where they say “the sub is RATED to 4000 meters…… safely take you to Titanic” I hope OceanGate is fully complying with investigators!!!!
I wouldn't have gone on that for absolutely no reason whatsoever, did he not learn from Apollo 1 some people couldn't get out it's too bad about the kid
So, by the time the mother ship got around to reporting a problem, the 5 were already long since dead, and the military also knew this for most of the time that the search was going on.
US Navy knew almost immediately that *something* had happened-their underwater radar capabilities are extremely sensitive, used to monitor (nuclear) submarines and other countries’ naval activity in seawater-but they probably didn’t know exactly what it was until the dots were connected later on. They also weren’t going to publicly expose their radar capabilities, so that’s why we didn’t find out until a week later even though I find their silence during that time to have been a bit…cruel…for the families 😮💨
I suspect the military wanted to have eyes on the scene before they announced it. They could have been 99.9% sure, but would the public take their word for it with no other proof? They could have come out and said early on, "we heard what is consistent with an implosion on our recording devices at [x] time. They're dead." But without the actual pieces of debris, many people wouldn't have believed it. If they tried to call off the search based on sound recordings alone, the public backlash against the Navy would have been insane. The sub may have gone missing forever, providing no closure. I don't think there was any right answer. Either they announced it early and risked people not listening/distrusting them, creating more trauma around the whole scenario for the families because now not only are their loved ones missing and maybe dead, but everyone is arguing if the Navy's recordings can be trusted. Or they wait a few more days, which meant dragging on a farce and giving the families false hope, but it meant that when the answer came, it came with cold hard proof and closure. Both suck, but I understand why they'd choose the latter.
@@SoulDevoured it was quick speak for find me drone subs (robotic operators) right now! My time in the military taught me, when people start short handing sentences..... they are under pressure and have very little time to respond. For the depths involved an no available rescue sub they would need robotic drones subs to assist at a moments notice (to say hook a lifeline to the sub (if it still existed)) .... Worst of all, they would be spread all over the world in remote places like oil rigs along with their equipment and need to be hauled to the site ASAP....
The implosion happened quicker than your nerves send sensory information to your brain. Self tapping screws are for towel bars, patching a rust hole in your rocker panel but nowhere on the pressure vessel of anything. Titan's tragegy was firing the engineer and the son forced to go.
The claim that the son didn't want to go was made by his aunt, but his mother said that wasn''t the case. His mother, who was actually on the ship, said he very much wanted to go.
@@adb8003 Why? She wasn't there and she had fallen out with her brother some years before that. The mother and a close friend of the son's both refuted her claims. The only reason for preferring the aunt's story is if you want to believe he died doing something he was scared of. And why would you want to believe that?
@@andysmith1996 From experience, children are more likely to tell a trusted adult who isn’t their parent how they really feel out of fear of disappointing their parents. That and I have a hard time believing what that lady says for whatever reason
James Cameron also got enough great footage of the wreck nobody should feel compelled to go down there personally and look at it through a dinner plate sized window.
@@MakerInMotion You make an excellent point, and since there's enough great footage of pretty much anything imaginable nowadays nobody should feel compelled to go anywhere personally.
@@SEJay-gj2cv Well no. I mean the Titanic wreck specifically because it's super dangerous and you won't even see it that well. You can go see the Grand Canyon or the Eiffel Tower personally without worrying about crush depth. Go see things personally when your life isn't on the line and the Coast Guard won't need to get involved.
Im really impressed by your use of clips. Each one leads on really well from the other and narrates the story. They're not just sound bytes. Its cohesive.
Yeah no one seems to have ever really acknowledged that. The Titan rarely ever made it to the ship itself. I never did find out if people were refunded for failed attempts. I suspect not.
No hate for billionaires: if they didn’t exist, we wouldn’t get this important learning lesson - for once this submersible technology becomes afordable for the rest of us. I don’t want my unborn grandkids stepping into this type of misadventure.
This submersible was a death trap from the start. I am not an engineer, but I am a ship builder who understands quite a lot about the construction of vessels of all kinds. The thing that frightened me the most about this submersible was the manner in which the pressure hull for the occupants was built. Regardless of the material, it should have been a single, homogeneous piece of material, preferably titanium alloy given it's immense strength and lighter weight than steel. The interface where the carbon fiber center section and the titanium end domes joined to me was very risky, the different mechanical properties of the titanium, carbon fiber and the adhesive used to join them should have been thoroughly tested. It should have been tested un-manned, and the certification should have been done by an outside agency or company. Carbon fiber CAN be used for applications where extreme pressure is involved, but it is far stronger in extension, not compression. Perhaps someone eventually will get the funding to do the required research and testing to build pressure hulls for a submersible that can safely operate at abyssal depths in the ocean, but as many critics of the Titan submersible noted, the implementation of the carbon fiber center section was fatally flawed. The view port was another aspect that frightened me. It was not rated for this depth, and I found it interesting that when the forward dome was recovered, it was missing. It could have caved under the pressure, which would have left the occupants just as dead, just as quickly as the carbon fiber center section caving in.
The one I'm actually sad for is Nargolet, he knew it was dangerous and was an experienced diver, but went anyway as the guide in case he could help if something was wrong. He was a widower and it seemed he didn't care about what happened to him as long as he might be needed in an emergency.
@Madeleinewith3Es I heard other experts asked Narjolet why he kept going on the dives since his presence added credence to their safety that he knew was false. His reply was something to the effect of "everyone has to go some time and some way," and if it's his time, he would prefer the instantaneous death that a submersible implosion would afford. It was largely surmised he was depressed after his wife's passing and possibly had a kind of death wish.
@@thedeejaeebee5babee yeah, that's what I've read. He didn't care and was depressed and would either go fast or be able to help. He didn't go for the thrill and didn't have to be there, and so he's the one I truly am sad for.
Imagine just being a one of the Titanic ghost just chilling and they see a sub implode and 5 random rich ghost join their watery grave. Must be pretty awkward.
But lots of interesting topics to talk about. Like what happened on the surface since Titanic sink. Overestimate your ships quality. Money isn’t everything. Is refunds possible. Playing shuffle board and so on.........
I really want to watch the ABC doc but it's not released in the UK. I can't believe no one has recorded and uploaded it somewhere. Scoured the web and there's no upload anywhere!
I had watched MANY commentary videos on this topic, but I especially respect this one for including the news reporting and the Coast Guard gentleman's comment.
That Monday when the story broke I told my husband they had imploded. While I consider myself a titanic historian you couldn’t pay me to see the wreck.
Me either. I told my husband the same thing, they’re dead. Then Wednesday my husband said they heard noises… I laughed so hard a booger flew out my nose. I simply said no darling, these people are fish food.
Yep, I don’t understand the desire to pay 250k…..to go down in a tin can crammed with 4 other people and one small window …when you can send an ROV down and do the same thing.
@@charliedallachie3539, ehhh... obviously they wanted to connect with the titanic on a more spiritual level, whenever i visit my grandparents grave, i do always fear having an encounter with a bear or and a gangster, or a gangster bear
I mean, if I had some sort of rapidly progressing terminal diagnosis with the physical capacity to still adventure & the money to blow (haha, a pipe dream). I'd absolutely go down there, at that point, what would I have to lose?
I have sympathy for the people who had NO IDEA that they were boarding a death trap, but for the people who knew how dangerous that thing was, I have NO SYMPATHY WHATSOEVER
This is the culture in America right now. "Experts" aren't to be trusted, what makes them "Experts" in the first place? Decades of experience? Pshaw! I'm rich and ambitious, the universe will simply bend to my will! In reality the rules Rush scorned were written in blood and he refused to acknowledge that.
Narcissists often can't tell they're in danger, if your knowledge is lacking then everything must've seemed ok. Experts knew how much danger they're in, these people fired those experts
The most haunting thing about this story was always the comments James Cameron made detailing how the 5 people inside without a doubt knew things weren't going well and were trying to pull off an emergency ascent. It kinda flies in the face of the "they didn't even know," comments the media made. No, they clearly knew. They knew the sub was moments away from failing and spent their last moments in fear as the hull cracked and strained around them, with Rush probably screaming at Nargeolet to ascend faster.
To have the sub pressure certified they were supposed to bring it here to Maryland in Annapolis but the owner cut corners and ignored the pressure test because it costs tens of thousands of dollars before each dive. If it would have had the pressure test then more than likely they would have noticed the problem before they went on that journey
There was someone on the team who already pointed this out. He used a flashlight and could see through parts of the hull. He was dismissed and they did what they wanted
Unless they actively prevent people from taking dives Stockton Rush would have still ignored their warnings and did the dive anyway like he did with so many of the others.
Two pressure tests were done early on. Both ended in implosion before the desired pressure was reached. Rush decided to skip pressure tests after that. I am sure it was to give plausible deniability when the titan imploded. The question was not if it would implode. The question was when would it implode.
James Cameron knew these people were next-level dead, which is why he didn’t do interviews until it was confirmed. He wasn’t about to BS like these other experts did.
The impression you get is that this particular submersible had made lots of trips down there. But it had not actually reached those depths more than once or twice.
Even if it had made lots of trips down there, it still should have been checked regularly. Every other deep-sea explorer and deep-sea researcher, like James Cameron, warned Rush against using a composite material because they all knew that the combination of seawater and very high pressure would cause delamination. Not could, but would, as in "guaranteed to happen", something Rush chose to blatantly ignore, just because "he knew better" and was on a mission to prove he was right and all others were wrong.
@@bills6093 It's not just that it's hard to check, it's that Oceangate/Rush totally ignored the delamination problem. The acoustic sensors that were supposed to warn that things were going wrong but were still recoverable, in reality just signaled that your time had already run out, because they went off at the moment the integrity of the hull failed. To stay with the Playstation controller theme, the warning those sensors gave could as well have been "game over".
@@Gantradies Followed by a maniacal laugh from that same robot..... The sheer lack of logic and comprehension of how things work that led to Oceangate trusting those sensors to warn them of an imminent failure is frankly baffling to me.
I remember when I first heard about this just a few hours after the story broke. I remember exactly what ran through my mind. "I've read about enough submarine disasters to know how this ends. They're all dead..." The USS Thresher, the USS Scorpion, the K-129, the ARA San Juan, and more. If she's gone deep and you've truly lost contact with her... she's gone...
I think the video game controller thing isnt actually a problem, they are pretty reliable. Actually the video game controller is the one part of the sub that i would actually expect to work properly.
True and many drones used by the US military use the exact same controllers. They can be very reliable and user friendly. I am always so amazed when this is what people focus on instead of the many, many other real issues with the construction of this submersible.
Makes sense, would they want to reveal their hydrophone abilities? During the Cold War they reportedly placed highly sensitive hydrophones all over the Atlantic with the intention of detecting any Soviet nuclear submarine and if possible intercept them. The biggest headache for both sides was how nuclear submarines could stay submerged for many weeks and can't be detected by neither spy satellites nor anti-submarine aircraft. This means they're difficult to track. A net of hydrophones strategically placed would be able to detect a nuclear sub in the vicinity. It was a crazy cat-and-mouse game in the depths of the oceans and some sunk submarines on both sides remain a "mystery". The Soviet nuclear sub the K-129 sunk in 1968 under mysterious circumstances. A theory is that the American sub the Swordfish sunk it by accident in an underwater collision. Obviously such a thing would be kept quiet as it could provoke a war. Anyways, the Hughes Glomar Explorer secretly retrieved the K-129 from the bottom of the sea in 1974 under the cover-up that the ship was used to survey the ocean floor for deep-sea manganese modules. What exactly was recovered from the K-129 remains classified, they only mention finding a few bodies of dead Soviet crew members who were given a full honor burial at sea. The American sub the Scorpion sunk in 1968 too. While the Thresher sunk in 1963 due to a malfunctioning tube and imploded, what made the Scorpion sink in 1968 is still a mystery. An accident? Taken out by a Soviet sub? While most of the intel discovered in World War One and World War Two is useless information today (aside from painting a more balanced and correct image of those conflicts) and have been declassified, systems installed during the Cold War at great cost wouldn't be revealed to the public. The day such systems become redundant or outdated their existence will be declassified and revealed. Until then they'd rather play dumb and play along in a charade in a search for a missing submersible rather than being upfront and say:"Listen, it's a waste of time we already know what happened." Would they reveal to the world:"We know exactly what happened and have the recorded sound from one of our top-secret underwater surveillance hydrophones to back this up." ? Anyways, anybody with half a mind realized the submersible had imploded when all communication with it suddenly ended. *Hope* made people speculate that perhaps they were stuck at the bottom or something but the most likely explanation was always instant implosion.
@@stellviahohenheim i love that - there is a process of command, and then there would be identifying the sounds heard and recorded, then send an ROV to location to check findings, back through chain and command and to the relatives - ALL BEFORE THE POXY MEDIA and crack heads make false stories haha - so you like me have to wait until what is known is the truth simples really
Brilliant compilation, music and editing. The best and most moving synopsis so far. Well done. Finally, a quote by the philosopher Virgil for the youngest crew member - ''Blessings on your young courage boy, for that is the way to the stars."
I don't think that young man (or his father) had a clue they were risking their lives, so courage doesn't really come into it. Unfortunately they bought into Stockton Rush's snake oil (in every sense bought into it), swallowing his exaggerations and half truths about the calibre of that shonky submersible. You only have to compare it with the incredible vehicle James Cameron took down to Titanic multiple times, to see how incredibly basic it was - like comparing a tin can with the Starship Enterprise. Rush's biggest skill was as a salesman - his 'OceanGate' promo videos, boasting partnerships with top academics, Boeing and NASA (all de-bunked by those organisations after the disaster), were a masterclass in BS.
@@glamdolly30correct Stockton Rush killed these people. He mislead them with the false sense of security, even though he knew he was full of crap. He had people telling him, begging him to not go down again in, that the submersible could not handle another trip. He killed four people and himself because he was to proud of himself to listen to the concerns of others. If there is an afterlife, I hope he suffers a fate worse than the lives he took with his pride.
The gaming controller used to pilot the sub got a bunch of attention, however i think it is undeserved. My ps3 controller still works to this day and I have had it since 2008, i have more faith in that controller than i have in anything else in that sub.
Has there been a report on what went wrong (officially)? Or are they still investigating? Quite sad that the Navy heard it and we weren’t told but I guess that’s how they keep people tuned in😞
Sorry, but I don't agree with your take at the end. This is not comparable to, say, the Wright brothers. Submersibles exist already, Stockton wasn't trying to innovate for the betterment of mankind or something. He was reckless and stubborn, we already know what it takes to make a vehicle like this, he just didnt care for all the safety precautions. Stockton is not to be looked up to. He is not a role model to be imitated.
I honestly didn’t blink twice at the fact they used a video game controller. I remember seeing lots of footage of the US army operating sophisticated equipment like bomb disposal robots with Xbox 360 controllers
It might just be a case of "this isn't actually common knowledge". Not everyone would know that you can program video game controllers to be used as input devices for non-video game use. If someone's only exposure to game controllers is through...well...games, then of course they're gonna be shocked at it
The difference is that using a wireless controller at such depths creates a huge liability. Other subs have used game style controllers but they were all hard wired into the control system.
1:52 Nah. I knew they weren’t trapped. Soon as I heard the pressure hull was primarily carbon fiber I knew they were all dead. They went from scared, human beings to microns floating in the sea in about 20 milliseconds.
Thank you for this documentary. I watched everything about the titan at the time but you still put it together wonderfully whilst still respecting the 5 people that died especially the young lad. Well done .
What saddens me the most about this whole saga, apart from the most untimely passing of Suleman Dawood, was how preventable it all was. We'd been diving to the Titanic for over three decades. We had the experience, the technology and the science. The risks were known and accepted. I applaud Rush and his innovation, but it was innovation with go fever. It reminds me of Apollo One, he built something unlike anything that had been in that environment before and let his focus on the goal lul him into a deep tunnel-vision of the prize. Some people within the industry, even within his own company did try to warn him, but he shut them down because of that blindness. Like Apollo One, too many risks had crept inside the vessel. Including a hatch, a dome rather, which could only be unbolted from the outside akin to the inward opening hatch of the spacecraft. And the result was very much the same, a catastrophic failure within the vessel which resulted in the death of the crew.
what innovation? The guy didn't innovate anything other then using carbon fiber with titanium ends to put more people in it to die at once. Very little testing, including no testing of the condition of the carbon fiber hull as it breaks down dive after dive. I guess rush did innovate by using acoustic sensors to give everyone a 10 millisecond warning the hull was going to fail.
@@sssarzzz The Titan is a massive catastrophe of human ego; no denying that. But unfortunately Stockton did indeed innovate. Innovation doesn't always mean success. Taking the pressure hull out of the conversation for the moment, the actual total failsafe systems was not bad. Multiple redundant fail safes to make sure they did not get trapped under water. The ability to roll to sub back and forth out of a submergence is also decently thought out. OP is VERY right here. Stockton also gives us a lot of objective data on carbon composites, albeit unintentionally and not for the reasons who would have wanted. There was also testing of the carbon composite hull, but not the way it should've been. They also ignored the results of the tests that they did. There's no reason to be so dense about the situation. Life is never black and white.
Yeah I feel sorry for Suleman, he was only a kid and he didn't want to go on the Titan apparently as he was scared, the seat being originally his mother's. The others however no empathy whatsoever. Nargeolet should've known better, Harding didn't care after his wife had died, Rush for the obvious reasons and Shazade for being a WEF member.
Maybe because it got so much media coverage what he presented here is already known. Maybe in time views will go up when the final reports are known though we kind of know that already too.
I suspect Stockton Rush had a death wish for himself in that, inwardly, he hoped his death would somehow be linked to the Titanic. It may sound crazy but Rush, during an interview that took place on his sub, Titan, shortly before his death, said he wanted to be remembered as an adventurer and innovator and inventor, someone who pushed the envelope, so to speak. Mind you, Rush was not asked by a reporter how he wanted to be remembered after his death. Rush volunteered this information himself, as if the question had been put to him but it was not. This speaks volumes about the man's ego, already with the thought in his mind that the public, as a whole, would remember him in some way, though at the time, the public was hardly even aware of him or who was or what he did. It took a tragedy like this to make Stockton Rush famous or infamous, depending on how you look at it. But it was a tragedy that he himself dictated.
Super amazing, quality content. By far the best one put together on RUclips. And that last section of visual obituaries- HIT. No other documentary has that and you gave them a face of simple humanity beyond the “billionaire” that most people see or have been informed to see. ❤
Stockton that day was in a rush He plunged the Titan like a flush This time, there was a sudden crush That turned five men to instant slush The lesson that he learned too late Was when you seek the ocean's gate In crafts where hulls delaminate The gates of Heaven may be your fate No disrespect meant. R.I.P. to the souls lost
This entire incident shows why you would want to distance yourself from people who are used to getting their way and never getting told no or any resistance to their terrible ideas. They have been getting people killed since man began walking upright.
I remember early on when I didn’t know much about it, I had figured the son was excited to go and this was something him and his dad had always wanted to do. Finding out he didn’t wanna be there at all and only went because his dad wanted him to is so heartbreaking smfh.
I agree 100% with the Lt General at 25.45mins. We need to be able to say NO you're not going down there, in THAT uncertified craft. Rush expected to do what HE wanted, and then expect the authorities to hunt around for them.
You won't find much of it. Just chunks. Wait until we get the first commercial space tourism deaths. Stockton's philosophical flaw was he wanted to do it on the cheap. He wanted to be the Carnival Cruise of deep diving tourism. That means he needed to do things on the cheap, he did limited testing and his basic design was based on the need to bring more people than a sphere could hold. He chose carbon fiber also because the weight of titanium would limit the passenger load.
rudimentary as in text messages....which is what they were...perhaps these aren't real (as clearly noted in the disclaimer before they appear) but these are the type of text messages they could send back and forth via text. As noted in the disclaimer, this is a recreation of the text messages :)@@christosvoskresye
Just wanted to say how very well done & nicely put together this video was. You were thoughtful & extremely articulate. Also, the tribute to the memory of the passengers was very touching. You have a new sub 😊
Thanks so much, I'm really glad you enjoyed it! Yeah I think the media and social media especially forget sometimes that these are still real people regardless of their bank balance or the risk they took :/
Supposedly on a previous dive in the Titan one of the forward/reverse thrusters was wired backwards and they only found out when they reached the Titanic and the entire submersible spun instead of going forward. Which means they didn't test everything before diving.
What kills me about this is that they knew on day 1 that the Titan had imploded, they heard it on hydrophones, but refused to say so and wasted everyone's time and money pointlessly searching for the better part of a week.
They absolutely didn't know. They suspected. But that's not how search and rescue (and rescue work in general) operates. The hard rule is you keep conducting search and rescue either until you uncover direct evidence that victims haven't survived OR until all reasonable expectations of survival are gone. In this case it was until either they found the debris or the oxygen runs out.
The military knew *something* happened they couldn’t say for 100% fact that it was the titan that had imploded without seeing the wreckage and holding that .0001% chance that someone still could be alive.
@one2many370 Bruh they were billionaires, don't even try to fish for sympathy from me. Nobody I know has $250,000 to throw away on a day trip. Also rescue personnel tell people "There is a 99.99% chance they are dead but we'll keep looking until we know for sure" all the damn time.
The Titan wasn't on-board the shio during the outwardbound journey but towed upon a raft behind..another flaw which has been mentioned many times by experts in the field of submersible craft.
What I don't understand is why the vessel was not actually equipped with a good old fashioned buoy where the line unrolled as it descended. Then there would have been something to look for if you were to find its location underwater.
This was absolutely insane to watch play out from my perspective. I was basically off the grid for work and I had someone (who is thought was a kid, but I think it was an adult coworker?) write a note about keeping the submersible in our thoughts and prayers. I didn’t look into it (again, thought it was kid) and I finally went online in what I think was the last few hours of them having oxygen. The whole internet was on the side of “it definitely imploded” and I found out through people making memes. I kept choosing to not look into it because I did not care and my coworkers had no desire to tell me what was going on. I do remember when the news officially dropped and in the middle of a meeting people kept whispering about “it blew up.” The whole situation was unreal.
I feel bad for the 19 year old boy the most. He didn't want to be there, he just wanted to make his dad happy. He had his whole life ahead of him and it was gone in a literal instant. At least he and the other 4 on board felt no pain. Also, I like the pacing and structure of your video. I think it fit well with the subject of the video. I will say, if you're going to use a greenscreen backdrop and such, make sure the images, graphics, and assets you use are higher resolution and fit together better, compositionally. I look forward to seeing more content from you, :)
The kid wanted to be the first person to solve a Rubiks Cube while at the Titanic. You are going to be visting the graves of 1500 souls..the site of one of the most tragic events human history- and thats all it means to you. Did he deserve to die for his callousness? No. Niether did the 700+ souls who perished off the cost of Greece. Not sure why I posted this, but there it is- God Rest Those Souls Who Perish in the Sea-
26:32 Not specifically relevant.. but goes to show you the quality of even seemingly 'expensive' components, such as the thruster or whatever that thing is. You can pretty easily see how out of axis it's spinning.. That could have been fixed, but pretty strange to even mount something so shoddy for test purposes (and allow to be filmed running).
i'm sure they know with all the sounds, that the skullcrush is imminent... critical failure basically means getting smushed into tiny cute fluffy pieces of meat, that slowly drift in the darkness of the ocean..
Can't help but wonder how aware they were of how bad things were about to become after they began the emergency ascent in those final minutes. If it was a cool and collected affair in which they all thought it was just going to be an aborted dive, or if a panic began to build as they realized things were breaking down, they weren't ascending as fast as they should've, up until that *pop*
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Ahh yes YT comments sections - chock full of engineers, researchers, navy specialists, and people who actually were involved in the search and even inside the sub itself. The internet is just awesome lmfao.
Will never understand why there wasn’t much compassion for those poor people who died just because they had money. I’m poor as fcuk but Suleman wasn’t much older than my son he was barely an adult 😢
yep exactly, I thought it was extremely odd that tonnes of people were making crude jokes about the whole thing saying they didn't care about them and that they deserved it. They were just people, broken and misguided, exactly the same as the rest of us. The amount of wealth you have doesn't change that. People are fucked up
It’s because these people had every advantage in life and chose to spend their money doing this. Had they died doing charity work for kids, they’d have been mourned. Had they died in a terrorist attack, they’d have been mourned. This was a comically bad example of rich people doing daft rich people things and spending an amount of money that most of us won’t make in a decade, all to participate in a foolish adventure that got them killed.
Yeah, no, I have zero sympathy for these people (except that poor boy). They could've done so much good with that money and instead they road a toy down to a ship that they were barely gonna see anyway
@@sssarzzz The moment of their death would have been instantaneous, but how long did they know the sub was in trouble? It was apparent they had alarms going off about hull integrity, trouble dropping ballast, trouble with power, pitch control, etc. They must have known well before their death that the vessel they were in was a pile of junk and they were probably going to die..
Hopefully, it was as instant as everyone says, but if alarms and stuff were going beforehand for seconds or minutes, they’d have been terrified. So eerie that you can be here one moment and then vaporized in milliseconds.
crazy every time he mentioned ascension, they were several meters lower each time.. still descending.. seems there shoulda been a lot more panic from the polar prince. the second time they mentioned their depth, they Had NOT ascended any, from the first time. the frame stuck.. idk, man..
whether or not it's legitemate, the reason it sounds so casual is because these were text messages between the crew and the ship, They would have had to have been brief and formal. They don't exactly have the means to get into the hot gossip while trying to pilot a sub
This entire story is sad on so many levels. That sub should have never been allowed to go anywhere given the concerns and issues that were flagged about it even years before. Billionaire tourism is a dangerous industry. Money doesn’t make you invincible even if you can afford to do things other people can’t. The Titanic was a terrible tragedy and people need to just leave it alone. The only people I feel bad for are the families of the crew, and the 19-year-old kid who didn’t even want to go, but felt like he needed to please his dad.
This is like one of those documentaries I watch which talks about something that happened 30 years ago. But then you remember this only happened like 8 months ago.
Though it is likely fake, the transcript at 45:30 was the best part of this video to me. Rush said that he wanted to have Titan posses voice recognition, and greet each pilot - it really reminds me of HAL from 2001: A Space Odyssey, with Titan too being a cyclops. It's like hearing an alternate scenario where this incident happened further down the line, and you have this robot reporting all's nominal until an anomaly it can't fix shows up, there's a certain emotion in the detachment, as losing its human crew becomes fact.
Yeah, I knew it was questionable when making the video, but I felt like recreating it would add the right level of emotion to the story, as much as I understand the outrage against the company and Stockton, it was still 5 people losing their lives, and I felt like the media and social media in particular forgot that to a large extent. Glad you enjoyed it, and I really appreciate the comment!
I’ve played Barotrauma. I knew what happened the moment the story broke. I’ve been in those subs that hit crush depth with no suit on. Media milked this so hard for drama money.
@@_Mutto_ If you didn't want to hear about it, you could have just ignored the story. And why are you even on this page if you don't think the media should have covered the search?
@@andysmith1996 The issue is the media milked a fake narrative about a real event for drama money. I don’t know how more clear I can make it. They didn’t have to take my word for it. Plenty of experts at the time were baffled by the narrative they were running with. I am criticizing the media. “turning off the news” does not help me criticize the media. I don’t know what point you’re trying to address.
This whole news story had me constantly refreshing my news feed at work. I was horrified. Still am. I can’t help but think that that site is cursed. It has to be. That plus Stockton being arrogant. I saw the letter that was sent to him worrying about the safety of Titan and he replied “I’ve seen ‘you’re going to get someone ki**ed’ so many times and I take it as a personal offence.” DUDE. You got yourself and 4 innocent people ki**ed!! Safety should be the MOST important thing. Not the least. Can’t help but think that he’s very lucky he was there because this would have ruined him. Unbelievable. RIP to all the victims.
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Bro there aint nothing left but microplastics and bone shards, until nature chews those up too.
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I wish you had included more of James Cameron’s interviews. Dude kept it REAL with his interviews during the first few days of the “search” and called out Stockton Rush HARD.
James said that all of the industry leaders got together and wrote a letter of warning to Rush about the danger of a sub with a carbon fiber hull, how it can’t hold up to repeated compressive stress, and Rush chose to ignore it. It also came out that Rush fired a director for raising safety concerns. He made sure that he was surrounded by “yes men”.
Rush was completely reckless and thought that he knew better than leaders of the industry. He has interviews where he speaks very condescendingly towards regulations. The man is a criminal as far as I am concerned.
James Cameron interviews were pretty amazing yeah, I watched them all before making this, just had to edit down. He really did forewarn exactly what happened!
Rush said he didn't want to employ '50 year old white guys', as they were not 'inspirational'. Garbage, of course. Truth is he preferred to hire kids, because they're cheap and obedient.
You can tell from Rush's interviews that he was very dead-set on leaving his mark on history. I mean dude wanted to be the first on Mars and couldn't so he looked to be the first to "pioneer" submersible tourism. He was so hyper-focused on it right down to his demise.
hope the company get sued
I was very impressed by Mr Cameron’s intelligence and insight into this. I knew he’d been down there before, but I had no idea how knowledgeable he is about it.
No, we shouldn’t have applauded Stockton. There is a difference here considering good science told him his idea wouldn’t work. He was reckless, not innovative.
Exactly - if Rush wanted to risk his own neck, that's fine. But to risk the lives of the public (one just 19 years old), because he needed their dollars to fund his ego trip, is unforgivable.
@@glamdolly30Agree💯 Rush was driven by greed and his selfish ego!
It was so irritating to see clips of him going on about innovation. This is very simple and people have been doing it since before he was born. It isn’t an area that needs fucking innovation. Those regulations exist for a reason. He’s was a straight up moron.
just got to this bit of the vid too and was flabbergasted theres no way this guy is saying that we need more people like stockton rush
@@milaboyd5682 It's utterly insane!
Even James Cameron said the best design for a sub that can go that deep is a sphere, because pressure is distributed evenly.
I think the issue was the carbon fiber not necessarily that tube shape. If it was all titanium, would it still implode?
@@posticusmaximus1739expired carbon fiber, a poly view window only rated for a fraction of the depth, lack of testing after pressure and depressure cycles, the fact that the carbon fiber was wrapped on the cylinder in a manner unfit for 3800 meters, the epoxy gluing titanium and carbon fiber together, 2 different materials that expand and contract at different rates, the stupidity and hubris of Rush. Pretty much everything together contributed to the failure. A tube is much more likely to fail in any material, vs a sphere in steel or titanium.
A _perfect_ sphere, no less. At the depth the Titanic rests, the pressure is so intense that even a 1% deviation from "perfect sphere" results in something like a 35% reduction in hull strength. The pressure is so crazy at those depths that we mere surface-dwellers have a tough time imagining it.
@theshapeexists:
Very well stated!!
@@theshapeexists devils advocate question, what if it was a carbon fiber sphere?
I’m gonna be honest; I really didn’t give a fuck about the adults. The dudes son I felt for because he didn’t even want to go.
That 'he didn't want to go' thing was robustly contradicted by his mother. In fact he was so excited he took his Rubiks Cube down to break a record with it.
EDIT: To @screw_it_why_not and anyone else who misunderstood my above post - Ye Gods, I'm not defending 'OceanGate'! I'm merely pointing out that 'recollections vary' within the Dawood family about 19 year old Suleman's enthusiasm for the 'Titanic' trip. There's no question the media seized on a relative's claim that Suleman didn't want to go, and that was entirely predictable spin from journalists milking the human tragedy angle. Journalists do that!
I don't imagine for one moment his father Shahzada would have taken his beloved son on that carbon fibre cola-can, if he'd had any conception he was risking his life - and of course, his own. Which only confirms the power of some narcissistic abusers to manipulate others to their will - in this case, Stockton Rush's skill as a snake oil salesman.
Rush was able to persuade some of the world's most successful and talented billionaires to fund his personal ego trip, without any clue they were joining him in a game of sub-aqua Russian Roulette. Astonishingly, even legendary mariner PH Nargeolet, a leading expert in the field of deep ocean exploration, was fooled by Rush's dodgy 'Titanic' tours.
I believe the 'Titan' tragedy above all is a cautionary tale about the danger and toxicity of narcissistic abusers like Stockton Rush. He's not the only one out there. They wreak havoc on innocent lives every year.
well gutting for all i think apart from Stockton pushing the boundaries, perhaps a little too far (understatement), as i said in another comment and on various other YT videos, and bare in mind i'm just an armchair designer and a complete idiot with an once of an IQ, but when faced with the questions raised, simply Google the answer - there is a plethora of information regarding some of the answers people are looking for, search for 'carbon fibre failures' and 'galvanic corrosion' - many of these things are well documented and indeed we see many things come up in air accident investigations, many alarm bells ringing, and mostly ignored because someone is innovative and pushing the boundaries that were not recognised and probably dismissed by authorities - while the design might have been innovative, it really needed some basic design features adding into it, and why it was never tested to destruction using remote robotics could have been so easily implemented - there's a lot of madness in the world and we just have to get on with it
@glamdolly30: I still feel sorry for the young man. I went there at his father’s side, on Fathers’ Day, was it? He didn’t pay the $250K passage, his father did.
Yeh, I feel very sad about the kid with his RUBIK’s Cube and his future ahead of him; maybe celebrating with his mother (and father!) safely on the surface…..
sentence correction:
“He” (went there…)
Not “I.”
I feel for PH Nargeolet.
He didn't pay a quarter of a million, he was basically the sub pilot, and he had more dives than Robert Ballard and James Cameron
The most fascinating part about all of it was the families going on talk shows and the news talking about finding their bodies for "closure" and then the interviewers you can tell are really trying to figure out how to break it to them that their bodies no longer exist because they were detonated with the force of a hand grenade in a millisecond
That’s heartbreaking, they can’t even bury the bodies
Hand grenade would be a massive understatement.
The force of a hand grenade is several hundred psi, the force that was exerted on the Titan was over 5500 psi.
The implosion would have condensed any soft matter into a space the size of a beach ball, while also applying immense heat. Whatever remained of the victims would have been fragments of bone and teeth, and possibly some liquified soft tissues. There wouldn’t likely be any bigger than just a few cm.
It is unfathomable what actually happened to the souls on board. Thankfully, the entire event took place in 1/5 of the time is takes for a human to even react to stimuli, so there would have been absolutely no suffering or knowledge of what was happening.
@TripleXMango true. But I have a feeling that the sub wasn't operating correctly and they at least knew they were in trouble before they died.
@SonyaLCH I agree. At 9:28, they had noticed the first alarm at 3400m. Then, not even 20 minutes later at 9:46 and after already beginning to ascend, they state "more sounds aft". Obviously that means they were already hearing the catastrophic failure on the outside.
No matter how much someone can stay calm, I'm sure there was massive panic for those 20ish minutes before the implosion, at least from some of them.
I feel for that kid. Damn.
@@allys744bro, what do you expect if you have and accident 4km deept
Something not a ton of people are pointing out is that Stockton Rush got his engineering start in the world of aviation and aerospace engineering where a carbon fiber composite works extremely well. Unfortunately, he must have not done his research about external pressure on composite materials when switching his dreams to deep ocean exploration. He seemed to apply his knowledge from aerospace engineering to marine vehicle engineering which is flawed. Completely different variables…
And he made the hull cheap it was not put in a kiln to get the resin bubbles removed. So as they went down the bubbles popped and compromised the structural integrity.
It was fine up to a point, but what Rush didn't acknowledge was the inevitable deterioration of the carbon fibre after every compression/decompression cycle.
If he'd made a brand new Titan sub annually, it would have had a fighting chance. But that would have cost a lot of money - money he simply wasn't willing to invest in 'mere' safety.
@glamdolly30: Not with that window he insisted upon using.
He even used some parts from Boeing for the submersible. He really never understood that sea and sky are very different
@@williesnyder2899 Yes, the window was another serious weakness, good point. Seems to me Rush had an extreme case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Those affected by NPD don't question their own decisions, and have a blind faith in their own default ability to triumph.
Had he only been taking these risks by himself, fair enough. That he was taking others on his egotistical game of Russian Roulette is unforgivable. He has left a lousy legacy for his widow and family.
This is a very good documentary. But to be honest, I don't think we do need people like Stockton Rush. We need more people like James Cameron and all the people who really know and understand the risks, do everything they can to plan for them, who are not too proud or too cheap to take the advice of true experts.
I knew about Rush's misrepresentation of classification societies, and it already irked me. Classification societies do have a very standardised way of working for the vast majority of vessels they certify, but they are also happy to do first-principles assessment of novel designs. That's obviously more expensive, so I assumed the choice not to classify this vessel was down to penny-pinching.
NOW I find out, thanks to your doc, that that's not the case. That he approached a classification society and *they said no*. Trust me, that doesn't happen. They are usually happy to take your money and tell you what's wrong with your idea. If they said no, that means the basic concept was so flawed that no amount of calculations could prove it to be sound. My best guess is that that's because of the hull material, that they have a hard line that composites are not a suitable hull material for these depths. If I'm right, then all the other societies will probably take the same line, as they work hard to keep their rules as close to equivalence as possible.
Whether I'm right about the specific issue that put Lloyds off, or if it was something else, they said no. Rush was so arrogant that he pushed ahead anyway, badmouthed classification societies in general, and deceived his paying passengers about the level of risk by saying he had consulted NASA and Boeing. What would they know about this? The pressure differential at the Titanic is many, many times greater than you would ever encounter at altitude or in space, and as Cameron said, it acts inwards, not out.
NASA and Boeing are not the experts in this. The experts are Lloyds Register and their peers. They are our repository of human knowledge of how not to die at sea. Hopefully this incident will encourage others to recognise that expertise.
Well said!
I was a passenger on the Titan- 3 times. Passengers (“mission specialist” title was a trick to avoid liability and a trick to convince victims they were actually part of a scientific expedition. I have written correspondence from OceanGate where they say “the sub is RATED to 4000 meters…… safely take you to Titanic”
I hope OceanGate is fully complying with investigators!!!!
I wouldn't have gone on that for absolutely no reason whatsoever, did he not learn from Apollo 1 some people couldn't get out it's too bad about the kid
So, by the time the mother ship got around to reporting a problem, the 5 were already long since dead, and the military also knew this for most of the time that the search was going on.
US Navy knew almost immediately that *something* had happened-their underwater radar capabilities are extremely sensitive, used to monitor (nuclear) submarines and other countries’ naval activity in seawater-but they probably didn’t know exactly what it was until the dots were connected later on. They also weren’t going to publicly expose their radar capabilities, so that’s why we didn’t find out until a week later even though I find their silence during that time to have been a bit…cruel…for the families 😮💨
@@JJouissance underwater radar?!! lmfao!!!!
I suspect the military wanted to have eyes on the scene before they announced it. They could have been 99.9% sure, but would the public take their word for it with no other proof? They could have come out and said early on, "we heard what is consistent with an implosion on our recording devices at [x] time. They're dead." But without the actual pieces of debris, many people wouldn't have believed it. If they tried to call off the search based on sound recordings alone, the public backlash against the Navy would have been insane. The sub may have gone missing forever, providing no closure.
I don't think there was any right answer. Either they announced it early and risked people not listening/distrusting them, creating more trauma around the whole scenario for the families because now not only are their loved ones missing and maybe dead, but everyone is arguing if the Navy's recordings can be trusted. Or they wait a few more days, which meant dragging on a farce and giving the families false hope, but it meant that when the answer came, it came with cold hard proof and closure. Both suck, but I understand why they'd choose the latter.
The News Media knew immediately as well... They just had a juicy story to run for a few days.
A company of Greed !!!
James Cameron was lowkey the g.o.a.t. for not having his “P.R. filter” during interviews about the situation
He has enough money to not have to worry about backlash, and relevant experience.
I agree. Cameron is a genius.
I agree. Cameron is a genius.
'We're assembling, uh, the best robotic people' FUCKING KILLED ME! Yes my guy, assemble those robotic people!
I have no idea who this guy was but tbf if he was a scientist it's very hard to translate your wealth of knowledge into laymen terms.
omg i'm glad someone else caught that, i was like OH they're finally assembling the robot people, maybe they can help :)
@@SoulDevoured it was quick speak for find me drone subs (robotic operators) right now! My time in the military taught me, when people start short handing sentences..... they are under pressure and have very little time to respond.
For the depths involved an no available rescue sub they would need robotic drones subs to assist at a moments notice (to say hook a lifeline to the sub (if it still existed)) .... Worst of all, they would be spread all over the world in remote places like oil rigs along with their equipment and need to be hauled to the site ASAP....
*Has flashbacks to Malevelon Creek*
NO NO NO DON'T BUILD THE ROBOTIC PEOPLE
The implosion happened quicker than your nerves send sensory information to your brain. Self tapping screws are for towel bars, patching a rust hole in your rocker panel but nowhere on the pressure vessel of anything. Titan's tragegy was firing the engineer and the son forced to go.
ive said it before, and ill say it again-
if rush was the only one in there, id be laughing at the sheer karmic rightness
The claim that the son didn't want to go was made by his aunt, but his mother said that wasn''t the case. His mother, who was actually on the ship, said he very much wanted to go.
@@andysmith1996I’m more liable to believe the aunt
@@adb8003 Why? She wasn't there and she had fallen out with her brother some years before that. The mother and a close friend of the son's both refuted her claims. The only reason for preferring the aunt's story is if you want to believe he died doing something he was scared of. And why would you want to believe that?
@@andysmith1996 From experience, children are more likely to tell a trusted adult who isn’t their parent how they really feel out of fear of disappointing their parents. That and I have a hard time believing what that lady says for whatever reason
I think I learned more from James Cameron than anyone else.....
James Cameron also got enough great footage of the wreck nobody should feel compelled to go down there personally and look at it through a dinner plate sized window.
@@MakerInMotion You make an excellent point, and since there's enough great footage of pretty much anything imaginable nowadays nobody should feel compelled to go anywhere personally.
@@SEJay-gj2cv Well no. I mean the Titanic wreck specifically because it's super dangerous and you won't even see it that well. You can go see the Grand Canyon or the Eiffel Tower personally without worrying about crush depth. Go see things personally when your life isn't on the line and the Coast Guard won't need to get involved.
@@MakerInMotion They aren’t forcing you to go, so if they understand and accept the risks involved, let them go is all I’m saying.
James Cameron does not do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because he is James Cameron.
Im really impressed by your use of clips. Each one leads on really well from the other and narrates the story. They're not just sound bytes. Its cohesive.
Thanks!
Ocean Gate had a less than 15% rate making trips down to the Titanic. That’s a big time fail yet Stockton thought he had something genius going on.
Yeah no one seems to have ever really acknowledged that. The Titan rarely ever made it to the ship itself. I never did find out if people were refunded for failed attempts. I suspect not.
Billionaires are nice people too....Deep down
I have a dark sense of humour and a weakness for puns...this got me!
titanic deep
Yessss 😂
Lmfao 😂
No hate for billionaires: if they didn’t exist, we wouldn’t get this important learning lesson - for once this submersible technology becomes afordable for the rest of us. I don’t want my unborn grandkids stepping into this type of misadventure.
In hindsight them claiming to be partnering with boeing was a very bad thing lmao
I got to that part and was like, "ah, the first red flag that we didn't know was a red flag yet" lol
Yeah, Boeing is known for their excellent pressure vessels and have never made any engineering mistakes.
If it's not Boeing then I'm not going
To die
And, NASA...Columbia, Challenger, Apollo I.
I can't tell it if aged like wine or milk, but that sure was some praxis!
This submersible was a death trap from the start. I am not an engineer, but I am a ship builder who understands quite a lot about the construction of vessels of all kinds. The thing that frightened me the most about this submersible was the manner in which the pressure hull for the occupants was built. Regardless of the material, it should have been a single, homogeneous piece of material, preferably titanium alloy given it's immense strength and lighter weight than steel. The interface where the carbon fiber center section and the titanium end domes joined to me was very risky, the different mechanical properties of the titanium, carbon fiber and the adhesive used to join them should have been thoroughly tested. It should have been tested un-manned, and the certification should have been done by an outside agency or company. Carbon fiber CAN be used for applications where extreme pressure is involved, but it is far stronger in extension, not compression. Perhaps someone eventually will get the funding to do the required research and testing to build pressure hulls for a submersible that can safely operate at abyssal depths in the ocean, but as many critics of the Titan submersible noted, the implementation of the carbon fiber center section was fatally flawed. The view port was another aspect that frightened me. It was not rated for this depth, and I found it interesting that when the forward dome was recovered, it was missing. It could have caved under the pressure, which would have left the occupants just as dead, just as quickly as the carbon fiber center section caving in.
Thank you for a comprehensive explanation, brief and accurate.
The one I'm actually sad for is Nargolet, he knew it was dangerous and was an experienced diver, but went anyway as the guide in case he could help if something was wrong. He was a widower and it seemed he didn't care about what happened to him as long as he might be needed in an emergency.
@Madeleinewith3Es I heard other experts asked Narjolet why he kept going on the dives since his presence added credence to their safety that he knew was false. His reply was something to the effect of "everyone has to go some time and some way," and if it's his time, he would prefer the instantaneous death that a submersible implosion would afford. It was largely surmised he was depressed after his wife's passing and possibly had a kind of death wish.
Agreed
@@thedeejaeebee5babee yeah, that's what I've read. He didn't care and was depressed and would either go fast or be able to help. He didn't go for the thrill and didn't have to be there, and so he's the one I truly am sad for.
Stockton Crush
…. Slow clap.
Great mixed drink
Captain Crunch.
Brutal
Microsoft is to blame for all of this, joystick drift is no joke
Imagine just being a one of the Titanic ghost just chilling and they see a sub implode and 5 random rich ghost join their watery grave. Must be pretty awkward.
But lots of interesting topics to talk about. Like what happened on the surface since Titanic sink. Overestimate your ships quality. Money isn’t everything. Is refunds possible. Playing shuffle board and so on.........
They would fit in with John Jacob Astor and the other barons aboard the Titanic
They’re all standing around going, “Why would you do that?!” 😂
At least the new people can catch everyone else up on the events of the world.
Ironically, Rushs' wife was a relative of two of those ghosts lmao
This is a masterpiece. It's better than the documentary on Hulu. I am truly blown away by how well done this is.
Wow thanks so much 🙏
I really want to watch the ABC doc but it's not released in the UK. I can't believe no one has recorded and uploaded it somewhere. Scoured the web and there's no upload anywhere!
@@johnmellor932 is this the same documentary in the UK on Wednesday 6th March at 9pm
think its channel 4 or 5
@@patchmack4469 Don't think so, it sounds like a channel 5 production
@@johnmellor932 if its "Truth and Lies: Fatal Dive to the Titanic". Its currently on Hu lu. Might need a VP N.
I had watched MANY commentary videos on this topic, but I especially respect this one for including the news reporting and the Coast Guard gentleman's comment.
That Monday when the story broke I told my husband they had imploded. While I consider myself a titanic historian you couldn’t pay me to see the wreck.
Me either. I told my husband the same thing, they’re dead. Then Wednesday my husband said they heard noises… I laughed so hard a booger flew out my nose. I simply said no darling, these people are fish food.
Yep, I don’t understand the desire to pay 250k…..to go down in a tin can crammed with 4 other people and one small window …when you can send an ROV down and do the same thing.
@@charliedallachie3539, ehhh... obviously they wanted to connect with the titanic on a more spiritual level, whenever i visit my grandparents grave, i do always fear having an encounter with a bear or and a gangster, or a gangster bear
I mean, if I had some sort of rapidly progressing terminal diagnosis with the physical capacity to still adventure & the money to blow (haha, a pipe dream). I'd absolutely go down there, at that point, what would I have to lose?
@@PMickeyDee a proper burial
I have sympathy for the people who had NO IDEA that they were boarding a death trap, but for the people who knew how dangerous that thing was, I have NO SYMPATHY WHATSOEVER
I agree
This is the culture in America right now. "Experts" aren't to be trusted, what makes them "Experts" in the first place? Decades of experience? Pshaw! I'm rich and ambitious, the universe will simply bend to my will!
In reality the rules Rush scorned were written in blood and he refused to acknowledge that.
Narcissists often can't tell they're in danger, if your knowledge is lacking then everything must've seemed ok. Experts knew how much danger they're in, these people fired those experts
Ditto.
I have no sympathy for billionaires whatsoever.
The most haunting thing about this story was always the comments James Cameron made detailing how the 5 people inside without a doubt knew things weren't going well and were trying to pull off an emergency ascent.
It kinda flies in the face of the "they didn't even know," comments the media made. No, they clearly knew. They knew the sub was moments away from failing and spent their last moments in fear as the hull cracked and strained around them, with Rush probably screaming at Nargeolet to ascend faster.
To have the sub pressure certified they were supposed to bring it here to Maryland in Annapolis but the owner cut corners and ignored the pressure test because it costs tens of thousands of dollars before each dive. If it would have had the pressure test then more than likely they would have noticed the problem before they went on that journey
There was someone on the team who already pointed this out. He used a flashlight and could see through parts of the hull. He was dismissed and they did what they wanted
@chorizoramen93 and they got what they deserved 👏
@@mantequillaop8262Rush paid $15/hr. to his staff. Imagine those yes people trying to find jobs now--what could they possibly say to get hired?
Unless they actively prevent people from taking dives Stockton Rush would have still ignored their warnings and did the dive anyway like he did with so many of the others.
Two pressure tests were done early on. Both ended in implosion before the desired pressure was reached. Rush decided to skip pressure tests after that. I am sure it was to give plausible deniability when the titan imploded. The question was not if it would implode. The question was when would it implode.
James Cameron knew these people were next-level dead, which is why he didn’t do interviews until it was confirmed. He wasn’t about to BS like these other experts did.
The impression you get is that this particular submersible had made lots of trips down there. But it had not actually reached those depths more than once or twice.
Even if it had made lots of trips down there, it still should have been checked regularly.
Every other deep-sea explorer and deep-sea researcher, like James Cameron, warned Rush against using a composite material because they all knew that the combination of seawater and very high pressure would cause delamination. Not could, but would, as in "guaranteed to happen", something Rush chose to blatantly ignore, just because "he knew better" and was on a mission to prove he was right and all others were wrong.
@@tjroelsma IIRC, it's not easy to check CF the way you can check steel or titanium.
@@bills6093 It's not just that it's hard to check, it's that Oceangate/Rush totally ignored the delamination problem. The acoustic sensors that were supposed to warn that things were going wrong but were still recoverable, in reality just signaled that your time had already run out, because they went off at the moment the integrity of the hull failed.
To stay with the Playstation controller theme, the warning those sensors gave could as well have been "game over".
@@tjroelsma my favorite nickname for the sensors was from the podcast "behind the bastards"-
"a robot that tells you you're about to die"
@@Gantradies Followed by a maniacal laugh from that same robot.....
The sheer lack of logic and comprehension of how things work that led to Oceangate trusting those sensors to warn them of an imminent failure is frankly baffling to me.
I remember when I first heard about this just a few hours after the story broke. I remember exactly what ran through my mind. "I've read about enough submarine disasters to know how this ends. They're all dead..." The USS Thresher, the USS Scorpion, the K-129, the ARA San Juan, and more. If she's gone deep and you've truly lost contact with her... she's gone...
I think the video game controller thing isnt actually a problem, they are pretty reliable. Actually the video game controller is the one part of the sub that i would actually expect to work properly.
True and many drones used by the US military use the exact same controllers. They can be very reliable and user friendly. I am always so amazed when this is what people focus on instead of the many, many other real issues with the construction of this submersible.
Read. The reviews for that model. It dropped. Out a. Lot@@BlainesMommy
Love your channel. Shockingly good production quality for a new channel. I'll be happy to say I discovered you early!
Thanks so much! I really appreciate that! :)
They need to get this vessel back into production. We have a lot more billionaires, healthcare CEOs, hedge fund managers, etc.
What’s crazy is from day 1 the navy supposedly knew they imploded but it was top secret
Makes sense, would they want to reveal their hydrophone abilities? During the Cold War they reportedly placed highly sensitive hydrophones all over the Atlantic with the intention of detecting any Soviet nuclear submarine and if possible intercept them. The biggest headache for both sides was how nuclear submarines could stay submerged for many weeks and can't be detected by neither spy satellites nor anti-submarine aircraft. This means they're difficult to track. A net of hydrophones strategically placed would be able to detect a nuclear sub in the vicinity. It was a crazy cat-and-mouse game in the depths of the oceans and some sunk submarines on both sides remain a "mystery".
The Soviet nuclear sub the K-129 sunk in 1968 under mysterious circumstances. A theory is that the American sub the Swordfish sunk it by accident in an underwater collision. Obviously such a thing would be kept quiet as it could provoke a war. Anyways, the Hughes Glomar Explorer secretly retrieved the K-129 from the bottom of the sea in 1974 under the cover-up that the ship was used to survey the ocean floor for deep-sea manganese modules. What exactly was recovered from the K-129 remains classified, they only mention finding a few bodies of dead Soviet crew members who were given a full honor burial at sea.
The American sub the Scorpion sunk in 1968 too. While the Thresher sunk in 1963 due to a malfunctioning tube and imploded, what made the Scorpion sink in 1968 is still a mystery. An accident? Taken out by a Soviet sub?
While most of the intel discovered in World War One and World War Two is useless information today (aside from painting a more balanced and correct image of those conflicts) and have been declassified, systems installed during the Cold War at great cost wouldn't be revealed to the public. The day such systems become redundant or outdated their existence will be declassified and revealed. Until then they'd rather play dumb and play along in a charade in a search for a missing submersible rather than being upfront and say:"Listen, it's a waste of time we already know what happened."
Would they reveal to the world:"We know exactly what happened and have the recorded sound from one of our top-secret underwater surveillance hydrophones to back this up." ?
Anyways, anybody with half a mind realized the submersible had imploded when all communication with it suddenly ended. *Hope* made people speculate that perhaps they were stuck at the bottom or something but the most likely explanation was always instant implosion.
Imagine if they had announced that they had detected the sound, and the sub actually turned up just fine. Always better to be cautious.
@@garrett3108That's not the case, why don't you find out yourself why
@@stellviahohenheim Enlighten me, please.
@@stellviahohenheim i love that - there is a process of command, and then there would be identifying the sounds heard and recorded, then send an ROV to location to check findings, back through chain and command and to the relatives - ALL BEFORE THE POXY MEDIA and crack heads make false stories haha - so you like me have to wait until what is known is the truth simples really
Brilliant compilation, music and editing. The best and most moving synopsis so far. Well done.
Finally, a quote by the philosopher Virgil for the youngest crew member -
''Blessings on your young courage boy, for that is the way to the stars."
Thanks so much 🙏
I don't think that young man (or his father) had a clue they were risking their lives, so courage doesn't really come into it. Unfortunately they bought into Stockton Rush's snake oil (in every sense bought into it), swallowing his exaggerations and half truths about the calibre of that shonky submersible.
You only have to compare it with the incredible vehicle James Cameron took down to Titanic multiple times, to see how incredibly basic it was - like comparing a tin can with the Starship Enterprise.
Rush's biggest skill was as a salesman - his 'OceanGate' promo videos, boasting partnerships with top academics, Boeing and NASA (all de-bunked by those organisations after the disaster), were a masterclass in BS.
@@glamdolly30correct Stockton Rush killed these people. He mislead them with the false sense of security, even though he knew he was full of crap. He had people telling him, begging him to not go down again in, that the submersible could not handle another trip. He killed four people and himself because he was to proud of himself to listen to the concerns of others. If there is an afterlife, I hope he suffers a fate worse than the lives he took with his pride.
"Unrivaled, up-close and personal Titanic experience"
Who thought that line was a good idea for the promotional material
The gaming controller used to pilot the sub got a bunch of attention, however i think it is undeserved. My ps3 controller still works to this day and I have had it since 2008, i have more faith in that controller than i have in anything else in that sub.
Totally agree, that was the least of their problems
Your life doesnt depend on that
People are dumb and uninformed and just latched onto it
Phenomenal production. Thanks so much for putting this together, best thing I’ve seen on the event
Thanks so much, appreciate that :D
This is my other channel :P
Has there been a report on what went wrong (officially)? Or are they still investigating? Quite sad that the Navy heard it and we weren’t told but I guess that’s how they keep people tuned in😞
Sorry, but I don't agree with your take at the end. This is not comparable to, say, the Wright brothers. Submersibles exist already, Stockton wasn't trying to innovate for the betterment of mankind or something. He was reckless and stubborn, we already know what it takes to make a vehicle like this, he just didnt care for all the safety precautions.
Stockton is not to be looked up to. He is not a role model to be imitated.
100 years later and the titanic is still taking lives, maybe they ought to let her rest in peace
Probably won't. If anything, this will encourage another company to capitalize on seeing two wrecks for the price of one.
@@linda10989yep, 2 in 1 titan and titanic wreck. calling it 2025-2026 its coming out all over the internet
11:20 incorrect, the Cuvier's beaked whale can dive deeper than the Sperms whale, and it actually has the deepest recorded dive for a mammal
I honestly didn’t blink twice at the fact they used a video game controller. I remember seeing lots of footage of the US army operating sophisticated equipment like bomb disposal robots with Xbox 360 controllers
Right? I don’t get the fixation on that part.
It was a Logitech controller 💀
@@MitzthatonekidIt's not like it was a Madcatz or anything....
It might just be a case of "this isn't actually common knowledge". Not everyone would know that you can program video game controllers to be used as input devices for non-video game use. If someone's only exposure to game controllers is through...well...games, then of course they're gonna be shocked at it
The difference is that using a wireless controller at such depths creates a huge liability. Other subs have used game style controllers but they were all hard wired into the control system.
1:52
Nah. I knew they weren’t trapped.
Soon as I heard the pressure hull was primarily carbon fiber I knew they were all dead. They went from scared, human beings to microns floating in the sea in about 20 milliseconds.
I know it from the very begining too
"Not comunication" and "titanic" (3.800m) ...thats implosion
Thank you for this documentary. I watched everything about the titan at the time but you still put it together wonderfully whilst still respecting the 5 people that died especially the young lad.
Well done .
I don't respect Mr. Rush, because he lied often and swept valuable information under the rug.
@@dougbones7095agreed. His hubris is and cheapness is what got these people killed.
What saddens me the most about this whole saga, apart from the most untimely passing of Suleman Dawood, was how preventable it all was. We'd been diving to the Titanic for over three decades. We had the experience, the technology and the science. The risks were known and accepted. I applaud Rush and his innovation, but it was innovation with go fever. It reminds me of Apollo One, he built something unlike anything that had been in that environment before and let his focus on the goal lul him into a deep tunnel-vision of the prize. Some people within the industry, even within his own company did try to warn him, but he shut them down because of that blindness. Like Apollo One, too many risks had crept inside the vessel. Including a hatch, a dome rather, which could only be unbolted from the outside akin to the inward opening hatch of the spacecraft. And the result was very much the same, a catastrophic failure within the vessel which resulted in the death of the crew.
what innovation? The guy didn't innovate anything other then using carbon fiber with titanium ends to put more people in it to die at once. Very little testing, including no testing of the condition of the carbon fiber hull as it breaks down dive after dive. I guess rush did innovate by using acoustic sensors to give everyone a 10 millisecond warning the hull was going to fail.
innovation my foot. what he dreamed he did not execute safely
@@sssarzzz The Titan is a massive catastrophe of human ego; no denying that. But unfortunately Stockton did indeed innovate. Innovation doesn't always mean success. Taking the pressure hull out of the conversation for the moment, the actual total failsafe systems was not bad. Multiple redundant fail safes to make sure they did not get trapped under water. The ability to roll to sub back and forth out of a submergence is also decently thought out. OP is VERY right here. Stockton also gives us a lot of objective data on carbon composites, albeit unintentionally and not for the reasons who would have wanted. There was also testing of the carbon composite hull, but not the way it should've been. They also ignored the results of the tests that they did.
There's no reason to be so dense about the situation. Life is never black and white.
Yeah I feel sorry for Suleman, he was only a kid and he didn't want to go on the Titan apparently as he was scared, the seat being originally his mother's. The others however no empathy whatsoever. Nargeolet should've known better, Harding didn't care after his wife had died, Rush for the obvious reasons and Shazade for being a WEF member.
Can’t believe it’s only at 2,000 views. Amazing documentary. Hope this gets to more people
Maybe because it got so much media coverage what he presented here is already known. Maybe in time views will go up when the final reports are known though we kind of know that already too.
They should have put a air tag in the titan
I suspect Stockton Rush had a death wish for himself in that, inwardly, he hoped his death would somehow be linked to the Titanic. It may sound crazy but Rush, during an interview that took place on his sub, Titan, shortly before his death, said he wanted to be remembered as an adventurer and innovator and inventor, someone who pushed the envelope, so to speak. Mind you, Rush was not asked by a reporter how he wanted to be remembered after his death.
Rush volunteered this information himself, as if the question had been put to him but it was not. This speaks volumes about the man's ego, already with the thought in his mind that the public, as a whole, would remember him in some way, though at the time, the public was hardly even aware of him or who was or what he did. It took a tragedy like this to make Stockton Rush famous or infamous, depending on how you look at it. But it was a tragedy that he himself dictated.
Super amazing, quality content. By far the best one put together on RUclips. And that last section of visual obituaries- HIT. No other documentary has that and you gave them a face of simple humanity beyond the “billionaire” that most people see or have been informed to see. ❤
The problem with Stockton is that he was in a rush.
Stockton that day was in a rush
He plunged the Titan like a flush
This time, there was a sudden crush
That turned five men to instant slush
The lesson that he learned too late
Was when you seek the ocean's gate
In crafts where hulls delaminate
The gates of Heaven may be your fate
No disrespect meant.
R.I.P. to the souls lost
But now he is just mush
LMFAAOOOOO @@thedeejaeebee5babee
A big time rush
This entire incident shows why you would want to distance yourself from people who are used to getting their way and never getting told no or any resistance to their terrible ideas. They have been getting people killed since man began walking upright.
I remember early on when I didn’t know much about it, I had figured the son was excited to go and this was something him and his dad had always wanted to do. Finding out he didn’t wanna be there at all and only went because his dad wanted him to is so heartbreaking smfh.
Stockton must have had a masters degree in B.S.
I agree 100% with the Lt General at 25.45mins. We need to be able to say NO you're not going down there, in THAT uncertified craft. Rush expected to do what HE wanted, and then expect the authorities to hunt around for them.
You won't find much of it. Just chunks. Wait until we get the first commercial space tourism deaths.
Stockton's philosophical flaw was he wanted to do it on the cheap. He wanted to be the Carnival Cruise of deep diving tourism. That means he needed to do things on the cheap, he did limited testing and his basic design was based on the need to bring more people than a sphere could hold. He chose carbon fiber also because the weight of titanium would limit the passenger load.
Excellent doc. Super direct and to the point regarding any/all concerns that happened with this tragedy. Very well done and love the channel!!!
Thanks so much 🙏
the quality of and the research behind this production is impressive, love it
Thanks so much Grom! Hoping to bring the same to Wheel Sports in February, just in shorter 15-30 min videos 😀
rudimentary as in text messages....which is what they were...perhaps these aren't real (as clearly noted in the disclaimer before they appear) but these are the type of text messages they could send back and forth via text. As noted in the disclaimer, this is a recreation of the text messages :)@@christosvoskresye
😮😮😮@@thatjasonhassett
I gained a huge amount of respect for James Cameron over this. I mean, not only is he a fantastic director, he knows his stuff too.
In 1966 the Reynolds Aluminum sub went to 15,000 feet with no issue. Built by the book and never had an issue. This guy was a sad joke.
Just wanted to say how very well done & nicely put together this video was. You were thoughtful & extremely articulate. Also, the tribute to the memory of the passengers was very touching. You have a new sub 😊
Thanks so much, I'm really glad you enjoyed it!
Yeah I think the media and social media especially forget sometimes that these are still real people regardless of their bank balance or the risk they took :/
Supposedly on a previous dive in the Titan one of the forward/reverse thrusters was wired backwards and they only found out when they reached the Titanic and the entire submersible spun instead of going forward. Which means they didn't test everything before diving.
Genuinely not surprised.
What kills me about this is that they knew on day 1 that the Titan had imploded, they heard it on hydrophones, but refused to say so and wasted everyone's time and money pointlessly searching for the better part of a week.
Apparently so. Strangely the same week a certain island’s victims got a $290m payout that got swept under the rug
They absolutely didn't know. They suspected. But that's not how search and rescue (and rescue work in general) operates. The hard rule is you keep conducting search and rescue either until you uncover direct evidence that victims haven't survived OR until all reasonable expectations of survival are gone. In this case it was until either they found the debris or the oxygen runs out.
The military knew *something* happened they couldn’t say for 100% fact that it was the titan that had imploded without seeing the wreckage and holding that .0001% chance that someone still could be alive.
@one2many370 Bruh they were billionaires, don't even try to fish for sympathy from me. Nobody I know has $250,000 to throw away on a day trip.
Also rescue personnel tell people "There is a 99.99% chance they are dead but we'll keep looking until we know for sure" all the damn time.
Thats not true.
The Titan wasn't on-board the shio during the outwardbound journey but towed upon a raft behind..another flaw which has been mentioned many times by experts in the field of submersible craft.
I am amazed at the quality of documentaries on this channel, including this one. Netflix level for sure. everything is perfect, well done.
Thanks so much! Not quite Netflix level yet, but that''s hopefully the goal in the next 3 years :D
What I don't understand is why the vessel was not actually equipped with a good old fashioned buoy where the line unrolled as it descended. Then there would have been something to look for if you were to find its location underwater.
This was absolutely insane to watch play out from my perspective. I was basically off the grid for work and I had someone (who is thought was a kid, but I think it was an adult coworker?) write a note about keeping the submersible in our thoughts and prayers. I didn’t look into it (again, thought it was kid) and I finally went online in what I think was the last few hours of them having oxygen. The whole internet was on the side of “it definitely imploded” and I found out through people making memes. I kept choosing to not look into it because I did not care and my coworkers had no desire to tell me what was going on. I do remember when the news officially dropped and in the middle of a meeting people kept whispering about “it blew up.” The whole situation was unreal.
I feel bad for the 19 year old boy the most. He didn't want to be there, he just wanted to make his dad happy. He had his whole life ahead of him and it was gone in a literal instant. At least he and the other 4 on board felt no pain.
Also, I like the pacing and structure of your video. I think it fit well with the subject of the video. I will say, if you're going to use a greenscreen backdrop and such, make sure the images, graphics, and assets you use are higher resolution and fit together better, compositionally. I look forward to seeing more content from you, :)
Stop spreading this lie. He wanted to go. Do your research dude.
The kid wanted to be the first person to solve a Rubiks Cube while at the Titanic. You are going to be visting the graves of 1500 souls..the site of one of the most tragic events human history- and thats all it means to you. Did he deserve to die for his callousness? No. Niether did the 700+ souls who perished off the cost of Greece. Not sure why I posted this, but there it is-
God Rest Those Souls Who Perish in the Sea-
Not autistic?
@@colliehmars902 The son or the dad? 🤔😁
😁👍
Shows he was really still just a child
I am still gobsmacked how some very clever rich people looked at that sub and thought yeah i will jump in that. Stockton must of washed peoples minds.
34:30 I like how they went full mask off
26:32 Not specifically relevant.. but goes to show you the quality of even seemingly 'expensive' components, such as the thruster or whatever that thing is. You can pretty easily see how out of axis it's spinning.. That could have been fixed, but pretty strange to even mount something so shoddy for test purposes (and allow to be filmed running).
Ans unprotected
Wires everywhere
I was crushed when I heard the news about the Titan.
So were the occupants.
😂👍
There is still hope....
@@glennwebster1675for what exactly? lmfao
i'm sure they know with all the sounds, that the skullcrush is imminent... critical failure basically means getting smushed into tiny cute fluffy pieces of meat, that slowly drift in the darkness of the ocean..
"Dam .. we're in a tight spot"- George Clooney -O'brother where art thou'
Can't help but wonder how aware they were of how bad things were about to become after they began the emergency ascent in those final minutes. If it was a cool and collected affair in which they all thought it was just going to be an aborted dive, or if a panic began to build as they realized things were breaking down, they weren't ascending as fast as they should've, up until that *pop*
Viewer interest is what drives media coverage.
Thank you so much for these videos, fantastic quality and really captivating. Just found your channel the other day and have already watched everything you have put out 😅 my favorite was on the zodiac, such an interesting case and you mentioned stuff that ive never heard about before like dennis lang, fascinating stuff! Hopefully you will make something similar in the future, however i will be waiting in suspense for your next video whatever the subject might be. Anyways thanks again!
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it, I’ll have another one next month on Free Speech, I was hoping to have out this month 🙏
Ahh yes YT comments sections - chock full of engineers, researchers, navy specialists, and people who actually were involved in the search and even inside the sub itself. The internet is just awesome lmfao.
Turning a mass grave into a tourist attraction for the rich and famous is pretty messed up...
I don’t get all the hate for the 4 men. I feel bad for all of them (not as much for Stockton Rush)
Because hate the rich and class warfare are really encouraged now, it's really sick.
Will never understand why there wasn’t much compassion for those poor people who died just because they had money. I’m poor as fcuk but Suleman wasn’t much older than my son he was barely an adult 😢
100% agree, that’s why I wanted to have the end that way it was.
Because people, in general, are awful.
yep exactly, I thought it was extremely odd that tonnes of people were making crude jokes about the whole thing saying they didn't care about them and that they deserved it. They were just people, broken and misguided, exactly the same as the rest of us. The amount of wealth you have doesn't change that. People are fucked up
It’s because these people had every advantage in life and chose to spend their money doing this. Had they died doing charity work for kids, they’d have been mourned. Had they died in a terrorist attack, they’d have been mourned. This was a comically bad example of rich people doing daft rich people things and spending an amount of money that most of us won’t make in a decade, all to participate in a foolish adventure that got them killed.
@@hothotheat3000 again though 1 of them was barely an adult, where is the compassion for him at least?
Man that coffee stayed hot the whole time I’m impressed lmao
A well balanced, neutral, and fair summing up of the tragic events. Nicely done.
Yeah, no, I have zero sympathy for these people (except that poor boy). They could've done so much good with that money and instead they road a toy down to a ship that they were barely gonna see anyway
You couldn't pay me enough to even sit in one of those on dry land. R.I.P to crew they must have been terrified.
they literally never saw it coming.....it was over well before they're brain could even process what was happening........and painless.
@@sssarzzz The moment of their death would have been instantaneous, but how long did they know the sub was in trouble? It was apparent they had alarms going off about hull integrity, trouble dropping ballast, trouble with power, pitch control, etc. They must have known well before their death that the vessel they were in was a pile of junk and they were probably going to die..
Hopefully, it was as instant as everyone says, but if alarms and stuff were going beforehand for seconds or minutes, they’d have been terrified.
So eerie that you can be here one moment and then vaporized in milliseconds.
crazy every time he mentioned ascension, they were several meters lower each time.. still descending.. seems there shoulda been a lot more panic from the polar prince. the second time they mentioned their depth, they Had NOT ascended any, from the first time. the frame stuck.. idk, man..
There is no reason to think the transcript is legitimate, so there's no point talking about it without confirmation.
I noticed that too. I think they only rose about 50m in the last 22 minutes before failure.
whether or not it's legitemate, the reason it sounds so casual is because these were text messages between the crew and the ship, They would have had to have been brief and formal. They don't exactly have the means to get into the hot gossip while trying to pilot a sub
Incredible video!!! The best one ive watched on the matter so far
I am about to watch all your videos in one night. You make great content and I am impressed by your production and editing. Happy to be here early!
Thanks so much! 😳😀
@@thatjasonhassett Absolutely! Watched all your vids and enjoyed every single one. I can't wait for future projects :)
No. Rush was not an innovator, he was incompetent.
Self proclaimed
He was so incompetent he literally died
This entire story is sad on so many levels. That sub should have never been allowed to go anywhere given the concerns and issues that were flagged about it even years before. Billionaire tourism is a dangerous industry. Money doesn’t make you invincible even if you can afford to do things other people can’t. The Titanic was a terrible tragedy and people need to just leave it alone. The only people I feel bad for are the families of the crew, and the 19-year-old kid who didn’t even want to go, but felt like he needed to please his dad.
In the end, they're money was worth the same as poor people's money. It didn't save them.
This is like one of those documentaries I watch which talks about something that happened 30 years ago. But then you remember this only happened like 8 months ago.
Making an early investment in what seems to me to be a great content creator. Your videos are great, man, keep it up
Though it is likely fake, the transcript at 45:30 was the best part of this video to me.
Rush said that he wanted to have Titan posses voice recognition, and greet each pilot -
it really reminds me of HAL from 2001: A Space Odyssey, with Titan too being a cyclops.
It's like hearing an alternate scenario where this incident happened further down the line,
and you have this robot reporting all's nominal until an anomaly it can't fix shows up,
there's a certain emotion in the detachment, as losing its human crew becomes fact.
Yeah, I knew it was questionable when making the video, but I felt like recreating it would add the right level of emotion to the story, as much as I understand the outrage against the company and Stockton, it was still 5 people losing their lives, and I felt like the media and social media in particular forgot that to a large extent.
Glad you enjoyed it, and I really appreciate the comment!
I’ve played Barotrauma. I knew what happened the moment the story broke. I’ve been in those subs that hit crush depth with no suit on.
Media milked this so hard for drama money.
There was a massive search operation going on for days. Should the media just have ignored that?
@@andysmith1996 Yes.
@@_Mutto_ If you didn't want to hear about it, you could have just ignored the story. And why are you even on this page if you don't think the media should have covered the search?
@@andysmith1996 The issue is the media milked a fake narrative about a real event for drama money. I don’t know how more clear I can make it.
They didn’t have to take my word for it. Plenty of experts at the time were baffled by the narrative they were running with.
I am criticizing the media. “turning off the news” does not help me criticize the media. I don’t know what point you’re trying to address.
IKR. They literally had an oxygen countdown timer on my national news... Those people were gone. Long gone.
This whole news story had me constantly refreshing my news feed at work. I was horrified. Still am. I can’t help but think that that site is cursed. It has to be. That plus Stockton being arrogant. I saw the letter that was sent to him worrying about the safety of Titan and he replied “I’ve seen ‘you’re going to get someone ki**ed’ so many times and I take it as a personal offence.” DUDE. You got yourself and 4 innocent people ki**ed!! Safety should be the MOST important thing. Not the least. Can’t help but think that he’s very lucky he was there because this would have ruined him. Unbelievable. RIP to all the victims.
Beautiful production 👏🏼
Thanks so much!
Remember even a pin hole at that depth would kill instantly
Damn, James Cameron knows his shit
That's what happens when you treat deep sea diving like you're taking a trip to 7-11.