Wuthering Waves Has a Huge Problem...(But I have Hope)
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- It kills me to say it but I can tolerate pretty much any other aspects of this launch except for this mundane music. It's such a bummer.
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I said 6-10 hours in the video but it's 20 hours now or very close to it and my statement hasn't changed. I believe it will get much better.
Yeah, I guess they are so focused on the gameplay and player experience, so lets wait a few months to and see how it goes
I agree. I hope they will add in fine tuning of the sound tracks. The arrangement is odd, the music don't fit the scenes, just generally something playing in the background. Oh well they got priority to meet, the gameplay has to be good first. They can handle other things later. Right now they need to get it working for some quite big chunk of people.
I believe kuro will do what they do best, COOK. So ladies and gents... LET KURO COOK!
Also, Please collab with the bigger content creators of Wuthering Waves such as Rexlent and Tectone. Maybe you could get in touch with the people envolved with the Soundscape and you could give your two cents since you're of a qualified background in the music field!
@@ImxxFuZe Tbh i dont want them to collab with Rextlent since he is mainly gameplay focused while Tectone has no focus, i prefer Marco collab with other existing game music youtubers instead.
Kinda ironic since the game theme is about wave & sound.
Yea the fact they lean hard on it and using musical terms for monsters and skills is kind a disappointing since you would expect the music and sound would be great to complement it even the world building revolves around sound.
Having a good music and being dynamic would really elevate the combat imo since it would feel like your every action can affect the sound (not like rhythm games were you need to time the beat) and it will be the one thing that is unique for Resonators.
Supposedly. I still don't see how those monsters being about "soundwaves" is any different from them being born of Honkai or the Death Stranding or whatever other game concept spawns monsters and hazardous zones that look weird and threaten humanity
there are drums on the grand library quest lol. the rest is awfully pretty quiet.
@@tite93 Do they need to be different though? these tropes are pretty common.
@@hijodelsoldeoriente well since they designed them this way and proceeded to associate them with sounds and musical terminology then yeah, they need to be original. Otherwise they could've just made Honkai 2.0 - interdimensional beings lead by a god/hive mind that appear and bring destruction, tearing down civilization or something of that nature
As someone who has just started Wuthering Waves, I too was dissapointed on how the music was kinda... Muffled? For a lack of better terms. Like I didn't even realised that there was combat music in the game until I really payed attention to it, unlike in genshin PGR literally slaps you in the face with awesomeness.
Great game but on the music department it is lacking.
My problem with the music is there isn't enough variation per area. I like how in Genshin there are several 2 minute tracks that rotate for every area/city and there are a few minutes of silence in between each track. It really gives each piece room to breathe, whereas in WW I feel like I have only heard one single track for the main city and I vibed it with at first but now I just...kinda want something else.
You are lucky to even hear it because i cant remember even a single track other than loading screen because music is just to quiet
@@generaltoszur1036Have you considered... Changing volume settings?
@@doommaker4000 in their defence it shouldn't be that quiet to begin with if they have to manually turn it up just to get a glimpse
@@doommaker4000 I shouldn't be required to up my general volume and lower in-game volume of things other than music to hear music.
Actually. Wait hold on. I think there actually is just one song now that im thinking about it. But if there isnt then yeah they sound WAAAY to similar.
Meanwhile a certain CC: "Wuthering wave soundtrack is better than Genshin".
I don't know what kind of weed they're smoking. 😐
im all for blowing the wuwa smoke anywhere i can especially with the combat and exploration but that shit is NOT correct lol. even if I was about to be done with genshin froever or something i could never ever possibly ever in a million years say that. lol.
@@MarcoMeatballYa, your honesty and unbiased review when is what I really love about your content.
Now back to WuWa, I have hope that the soundtrack will get better, but that only if they use the same soundtrack director from PGR, and compose by Vanguard Sound.
So far, WuWa soundtrack is just like Lofi, but there is still no "wow" factor that will make me stay in an area just to listen to the music.
@@FireBlueZ i think it will.
As soon as I read your comment I knew who you were talking about lol. In Genshin I would literally stop and listen to the music at times (especially when I was new to the game), but Wuthering waves has not given me that same experience, not saying it is bad at all, just like marco said, not inspiring.
@@marduke83Now I am curious, who's the content creator? 😂
Yeah the music is a bit plain, hopefully in later updates they get back into it
I agree with you. When I first played Genshin, the music MOTIVATED me. It made me want to explore and get sidetracked just adventuring around.
I don't feel that with WW and it makes me a bit sad because we all had really high hopes of what the game would be upon release.
Exploring is fine, but it's mostly just that.. 'fine'.
Their whole ost budget was for the menu music
imma be real idk what happened to the budgeting that the VAs seem AI generated and the music/story writing is lack luster
and that was like 50 seconds long lol
@@beckham3533it's just the eng dub that's bad, plus their other game has a tiny fraction of players who use it (so they probably misjudged how much attention to give it) edit: ref the music and story writing, haven't done enough of the game yet (but it seems pretty mediocre so far)
@@Bstrdmn I will change to Jap dub when they fix the subtitle. The eng dub is just unbearable.
@@beckham3533The writing is slow and steady which doesn't mean it's bad, it's actually coherent. Even the dialogue heavy scenes during the beginning are purposeful. Bloated for some but still maintains its footing.
The EN VA direction indeed has some issues but not all of it. Yangyang's voice direction is lackluster. She talks so slow. But the rest like Baizhi, Mortefi, Sanhua, Scar, Jiyan are great.
The music, I got to be honest. It's good but not as memorable as Monstadt and Liyue. We shall see though as Kuro had proven that they're capable of great music in PGR.
I travelled to various region on the map with different environments and barely hear any noticeable difference in the music. Just like you said, the music "just there" and it's quite disappointing, since open world games i like (genshin, oblivion, skyrim, even fallout) have musics with strong identity to the area they are related to and it lift up the ambience and the overall gameplay experience.
I've been playing for some 8 hours straight, I do enjoy the game don't get me wrong. But I didn't remember any single piece music at that point, unlike when I first played Genshin and HSR.
Agree not that memorable.
I agree, I really love the exploration and combat. But the music hasn’t really hooked me like Genshin, HSR, HI 3rd. I do have faith that Kuro will create banger music later once the launch honeymoon phase is over.
I'm not hopeful. Getting Will Steston for their launch music video...but they missed the mark so hard with it.
Just having characters randomly walking or practicing by themselves did not go well at all with the music of the vocal portions or the lyrics themselves. The music only worked slightly better... the electronica...skilled sound was better placed with the aesthetic but too upbeat for such low energy visuals.
@@GLoLChibs wtf
Well, i think its missing a "Identity" or something like that. Compared to the obvious contender and final boss "Genshin Impact", its really lack a identity for me, something like i listen too and instantly associate to the game, something that bring me back memories you know. I'm hoping the best of the best for this game in every aspect possible, let's see what they will make in the future
Yeah, it's really missing that special "something". That's aside from all the other issues that will probably get fixed throughout the month
You know whats crazy? I think this is the one criticism that compares them both that i cant agree with. I think the world revolving around sounds and stuff distinctly sets itself apart. Infact i havent seen any form of fiction that used sounds and frequencies as their base for their worldbuilding and power syatem. But you know whats another crazy thing? Despite me saying that, for some reason it doesnt FEEL special does it? Thats really weird.
@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy it probably feels that way because they don't really do all that much with that concept. It might as well just be another interdimensional apocalyptic force a la Honkai, the musical part is pretty much irrelevant aside from some stylistic choices
@@tite93Yeah. Well it is just 1.0 Gotta give it more time to form and see where it goes
@@Replies.Delete.SometimesIDKy concept can be anything you want to be, but when you cannot make them to have a substance, they will remain to be ideas fleeting in the air. execution of the concept is how you get concept to become a story, and WuWa just fumbles them so hard they prob would have to pull something like what ToF did, maybe not to the extent that they did but gets pretty close to that disaster
The music is what elevates the story and the gameplay.
It is what made the mondstadt(I still can't spell it) part of the story nostalgic to a lot of the players despite it being rlly simple. Like amber's theme, dawn winery theme and the main city's theme.
Spelling is fine. Just make it uppercase and you're set ;)
I dont know how to feel when they said whe improve the story and at the same time whe added skip now i heard they are gonna make all story skippable
@@zulzineloso7531 they gonna make the story worthy to be skipped lmao
@@zulzineloso7531 Hey its there for you to chose so we dont feel like they want to shove their story into our face like a certain game.
@@Ari-ek1dx i like wuwa because i dont have to listen to the story and i play genshin for the story. Both games have their goods and bads thanks to genshin being a casual game i can enjoy other games and thats fine for me
"Wdym marco your a video game music youtuber so you have to like every music because if you don't then your fake, i have listened to 20 music reactions every day so I'm practically mozart, bach and beethoven into one person and i can do my job better than you!"
In all seriousness i agree wholeheartedly, i personally dont see my self adding any of these songs into the playlist
Yeah, I have faith Kuro will release bangers after the honeymoon launch period.
(Edit: typo)
this is why i hate most reaction videos. they always lick up company's and fandom's asses😭
marco is very few who actually try to understand, and i respect him for that. like, i'm a big persona fan, but marco doesn't hype persona songs as much as he hype hoyo musics, and that's totally fine
I mean the WuWa soundscape is just ambient, too ambient to be of any impression.
it was so ambient that I stopped the music and listened to the port ormos theme .....😂
If I didn't use it as sound cue for a nearby battle, I would've just opened up a youtube tab lol
After playing for ~10-15 hours I still can't hum or sing anything from the game
Botw plague
This is basically it. It's ambient music, it's only there if you actively try to listen to it but it isn't made to catch your attention or remain in your mind. Personally I think it's neutral at best but nothing is outright bad if assuming it was designed to be like this.
Gameplay is good, but the music, the atmosphere and the characters are very bland. It's hard to immerse into.
Agree, the only thing I like about WuWa is the combat and some exploration mechanics.
For an open world game like this. Atmosphere is very important for me.
I think the characters are great though
I got pretty bored after a few hours lol
@@TheCaribbean04 Would work better with a semi-open world like Stellar Blade. Open World for Wuwa just dilute the content from the best part being combat.
@@Arctis326me too the gameplay was too much complexity and over the top. Idk it was interesting for 4 hours playing, but I deleted it after getting Verina.
Music was the last thing I thought I would be disappointed by in this game.
I think my problem with this game is that it's trying TOO hard to do what Genshin is doing and it really shouldn't.
I hope they can make their game more unique as time goes on, but I'm a bit disappointed as someone who really likes the aesthetic of PGR
I wished Kuro went with making their own take of open world, but everything they do is copy Genshin but without learning the issues Mihoyo had and not being well-thought out with its foundation
Honestly yeah all the mechanics are too similar to Genshin Impact, I thought at least some stuff gonna be different but yea only like fighting and you can dodge is different
Not just genshin, this game also copy some part that star rail does in the game. Like the price for battle pass and monthly pass. The trailblazer power up to 240 daily.
Also, it feels dejavu. Like the red hair lady is similar to march 7th style and yanyang is like dan heng style.
I can only agree a bit. Not fully but a bit. Certain things like the UI (oh my gosh the UI) screams genshin but then when you get to some of the other stuff like the combat and the world and what their doing with aounds and stuff, i do think it branches away nicely.
@@Violet70725 March 7th style: Energetic and Extrovert girl, Dan Heng style: Mysterious and Indifferent boy...
Nier Automata has a post-apocalyptic setting and it has some of the most memorable music I've ever listened to, so Kuro has no excuse having generic, bland music for Wuwa
Which is ironic as Kuro's other game, P:GR used Nier Automata as inspiration for the game cause they are fans and has a collab with the IP
its especially sad considering how much sound and music concepts are in the lore and story of the game. resonators, tuning, sonance, echos, tacet, reverberation
It will be interesting to see whether Kuro will pour as much investment into their music as Genshin. One of the best parts about Hoyoverse is that they treat the music as important as the story, combat, etc (mentioned in one of their music showcases). It's not just the money they pour into it. It's treating the music as an indispensable part of the game, which trickles down to the communication and workflow of the entire team.
Plus, having the LSO play your soundtrack is a hard one to top. 😁
PGR has a far superior soundtrack to Genshin IMO, and Kuro poured tons of investment and time into perfecting the soundtrack of that game. So I'm only hoping they do the same for WuWa.
@@TheBoltMaster456but they didn't, honestly really weird considering the whole universe adopting concept related to soundwaves and music. Perhaps not enough investment or budget miscalculation. They should've hold back with the map and concentrate on polishing
Making everything about sound in the story was a weird choice when they neglected music and voice acting lol.
Not a Genshin killer but it does combat very well and gives something Genshin refuses to give so I don't think either will kill the other outright. If Wuthering Waves can course correct the story/music and get the lag issues together, it will be fine IMO.
I truly disappoint with their weekly boss theme...
it just so bland...
there was a weekly boss theme? I hardly noticed.
Idk whether or not it's ironic how the game's full of sound-related terms for its world building but the music is more on the muted side for the most part.
I guess the silver lining is that it's not gonna distract from the gameplay...
Yea they should certainly work on the sountrack in which I do beilive, since they have shown that theyre willing to listen
...but you cant deny that the sound effects are great...
After playing thr game for 3 days i can say I'm already bored. What I can say is i need visuals and music that can impress me and wuthering waves just not doing it.
I thought it was just me. I think maybe it can get better as more time goes by. but compared to genshin the story isn't a good, the voice acting isn't a good and overall it's just not engaging
Same here... everything felt dull and boring... The music, the landscapes... And the dialogues are so badly written I was happy I could skip them... It's like a cheap copy of Geshin, they tried very hard to do better but the result is disappointing, in the end it's less beautiful, less captivating, less interesting... I've never been so happy to play Genshin ! xD
Wuwa relies on the grindability of the game. The whole "real gamer" demographic
Yep, the main menu music feels like the best thing they've got.
It again feels like they just don't have time...
Kuro knew new players will listen to the title screen music, so they took the time and effort to make sure it's good, but the same can't be said for the rest of the game, and when players settle down to listen, it becomes very obvious they haven't given it much thought.
CBT2 Title theme are good too why they remove it..
@@nmate2955it's a boss theme
imo the lampylumen myriad theme is the best they got for now
Crownless and login screen tracks are the only two good tracks in this game.
I'd like to think that this is the game trying to figure out its identity, and once it does do that, that's when we'll really see what it's made of
they should’ve figured their identity as early as planning stages, not after release
@@TheGelieaceI think they did but they did change everything post cbt1
even if they find their identitiy later new players will still experience this bland garbage when they start playing and at that point they already lost most ppl
@@jcceno4273 then the big question is why they went ahead with the release, knowing that they changed a whole lot. Some other content creator echoed (heh) this sentiment and said that it feels like the game needed more time to cook in cbt before being officially released.
@@FreneticPotato cn cbt1 players didnt like that the mc wasnt immediately liked by all the characters so kuro did it, for me i havent really experienced any big bug granted the only bugs i care about is gameplay/combat bugs and so far i havent experienced any
I was really disappointed with the ost as well, because the main theme you hear in the menu and the one from the web event sounded great and unique. Then the game itself just sounds very... Bland. Story and characters also didn't captivate me in any way.
They need to do better and fast in that regard becouse the top performing gacha games, Genshin, Star Rail and Nike have very, very impactfull music that complements perfectly their worlds. The story too is, as far as I was able to play before the game crashed totaly, very boring and again, those other games have very good stories over all, at least right now, so kuro has very strong rivals when it comes to first impresions.
@@luisreynamboarcos2958 Yeah, I haven't played Nike but the story in Genshin and HSR is always peak (Penacony was incredible). WuWa has 6 story chapters as of patch 1.0, and I finished chapter 4 earlier today, and its still quite boring :s
@@luisreynamboarcos2958I like the story. Even the dialogue heavy start is purposeful. Also, I wouldn't put Nikke there, Nikke's first chapter compared to WW's first act is not great. Nikke's first chapter is a soft corn and relied on instant gratification by "offing" someone early.
Thing is, Kuro's writing is usually slow and steady until it ramps up. Just like in PGR. The story in PGR is the best story I've ever experienced in gacha including Genshin and HSR. But a factor is that I love post-apocalyptic scifi.
@@luisreynamboarcos2958bro try to sneak in Nikke
@@Arthur_urlAct 5 and Act 6 is really good.The Final boss fight is the best boss fight you would find in a gacha game.But Yeah,The first 3 chapters are really,really bland.
I agree. Music is severely underrated in games. Its a lot what makes genshin as good as it is, and what this game lacks so much.
@@SyLuX636 absolutely not true
@@SyLuX636 Zhongli still has one the most banger music in genshin, and it's still the most viewed demo by far
@@SyLuX636for genshin, even the login theme is good imo so i hardly agree your taste for music, and also it’s too clear that even music in punishing raven is better than wuwa, which i mean it is so fit for the gaming itself
@@SyLuX636 No way man. I clearly remember the tracks from dragonspine, stormterror lair and such
@@SyLuX636 absolutely not. Just listen to "rapid as wildfires"
I'm was also not very impressed. I like the overal themes but there is something missing.
And then Genshin threw goddamn AIMER at us in the new animation short. Man... It's going to be tough musically speaking for Kurogames. I hope they can find their own thing sooner than later. The more bangers the better.
Yeaahh. Kuro got Will Steston for...an alright track that didn't really match the energy and random visuals but it was Steston so a win...
And Hoyo comes along with Aimer a week later hitting everyone in the feels.
eh, its like one of the worst aimer songs ever
You have a point. I'm in the middle of the story and so far there hasn't been a single moment I've stopped to think about music. Combat wise it's fantastic and fun, but yeah music in-game seems to be more of an afterthought. To be fair hoyo games have FAR more budget, I imagine Wuwa team just had to prioritize certain aspects over others
I randomly heard the menu theme once, I stopped and thought 'oh, that's the main menu theme' if that counts
But the thing is... 10cent is funding Kurogame... one of big CN corpo
@@liandoaethend2403 and they've blown all that money on times square and truck ads
@@silverhawkscape2677Pretty much they have the sponsor/budget for it. Tho we can't say with certainty as for now.
@@liandoaethend2403Tencent only owns 15% share and they just started investing shares in 2023.They don't give Kuro the Money from get-go.And 15% share don't do shit.
That's a shame. Good music is one of the things I absolutely love in video games. I'll still check out Wuthering Waves but now I know to lower my expectations with its music before I try it. Thank you, Marco
This game represents resonance, sound waves or whatever but the ost is not kind of keep with that concept.
I'm really enjoying the game, but tbh I was really hoping it would have better music. I haven't really found myself sitting back just listening to the music, I've mostly just tuned it out like it's white noise. If anyone has any pieces from the game they like and would recommend I would happily listen to them though. No doubt I haven't heard everything it has to offer.
The music is blank, the lore is blank, the story is all over the place, the performance is shuttering, the combat is good, but the bad performance ruined it...
是的，除了战斗，一切都很糟糕
Did you finish the story? it gets lot better later on.
@@CaeClips i finished the story and part 5 and 6 didnt improve the experience at all. Just because we get an on-screen death of an unnamed npc, some generic war scenes right and a boss that is essentially Elden Ring's Malenia with a reskin i'd personally refrain from calling it "better"
Music is not talked about much in this way, and I’m glad you’re doing it. Music is actually a defining factor for me to consider a game. When the music isn’t interesting I don’t find the rest of the game interesting either. It is vital
Marco will you react/talk about Genshin's Remuria OST? particularly stuff like "Glory and Decay" and "Requiem Resonantia"
The game didn't manage to retain my interest, personally. Even with the fact I appreciate the work Kuro Games does and I am a PGR player myself for over a year now, so it goes without saying that this really saddens me. I think it's a well made game on most regards (optimization aside) and I would also say that my entire time playing it gave me a very pleasing experience on the musical aspect, but I can't remember a single song, neither correlate any piece or segment with any particular place or plotpoint. The music, like you said...is kinda there. It's not fair to say it lacks an identity, so to speak, but it certainly lacks impact, it fails to leave an impression, even if it's quite nice to listen to. I enjoy ambient music, but on a videogame of this genre (and specially with PGR having so many bangers), I can't help it but share the same feeling of disappointment you had
I heard they recently JUST hired an actual composer. You're telling me they didn't think about doing that from the beginning?
CBT nearly broke them. So only now are they getting an Actual Composer back.
Marco speaking the truth. It’s why I turn on RUclips videos unlike in genshin where I love the background music.
I love the city's music
The term “Genshin Killer” no longer has any weight to it now and for the foreseeable future. Today and the hype that’s been resparked thx to Dain and Natlan has proven no one’s ever gonna come close to toppling Genshin.
No one ever said that WuWa will be Genshin killer, it's nearly impossible for such a small company as Kuro and without all that additional parts of the Genshin success as being reliesed in pandemic.
Remember when Tower of Fantasy released, and they were calling themselves the Genshin Killer. But then Hoyo released the Sumeru 3.0 livestream, and that game was buried immediately. With how Wuthering Waves released so buggy, Kuro could have at least released their game next week to allow their devs to work out the final game some more, during the downtime of the Genshin livestream and before the 4.7 patch release. Hoyo releases their patches every 6 weeks. It's not hard to look at the calendar and gauge the timing
I'm sure this won't kill WuWa, but in no way is Hoyo ever worried about their "competitor" either
@@MeowEste Almost any YT comment section would go monkey brain when it came to nuanced takes regarding Wuwa and genshin. Its either one or the other according to alot of yt genshin haters. Dog eat dog world where nothing can coexist. Almost any new video covering Wuwa was guaranteed to have genshin being downplayed either in the video itself or the comment section because most of these people fueled by rage can't stop inhaling their copium. Even now so many of these people are acting like Genshin suddenly just created a new endgame mode out of scratch after wuwa announced their release date because according to them, throw enough money and you'll have content made in weeks. Laughably bad takes.
@@MeowEste No offense but I'm not sure it was possible to talk about WuWa in social media without people talking about it being a Genshin killer. If you hung around WuWa discussions long enough, sooner or later you would hear someone telling you that WuWa would finally kill Genshin. This was especially true of a LOT of content creators. A lot of people hyped this game up as THE Genshin killer.
@@CrystalRubyMoon the beta players said their game were fine in beta, so its very confusing by how much buggy it is on release, i tried out ToF for a week, and goddamn i wish i never downloaded that game, sadly it goes as well to WuWa (istg games funded by 10cent gonna fk up high chance)
WuWa makes me sad cuz i anticipated their release, cuz i like how it looks, the voice acting is bad too for EN
Yangyang: speaks
Me: and i must say that almost everything i've witnessed has been *C R I N G E*
PGR had anthems, music that elevates the experience. They NEED the composers from PGR to do tracks for WW because while there are a few stand out tracks like Inferno Rider, it doesnt come close to say Hikari or Narwhal.
the game feels so unfinished in almost every aspect, including the music, not to mention all the bugs. I saw a few CCs that played the last beta say they were surprised by the release date because it felt like the game was still far from being release ready. unfortunately, i have to agree. i have encountered so many bugs that make the game incredibly frustrating and almost unplayable. i have hope that it will get better, but as it stands now, i think they should have pushed the release date and come out with a more polished game.
Yeah, the main menu music is SO GOOD that I was dissapointed no other music in game was memorable and felt too bland.
My exact same thoughts, combat /exploration are very fun but a lot on the artistic side leaves a lot to be desired imo, beyond the bland lofi-ish music as soundtrack - visual identity, artistic direction, character design, a lot of it is reminding me of Tower of Fantasy and that's pretty bad. Ironically, ToF had some cool songs going on, in my short experience with it - like the song it plays in the amusement park with the fireworks ("Meant to Be"), I remember actually stopping mid gameplay just to listen and look at the fireworks show, it was pretty iconic. After I stopped playing, they later on released another theme song called "Drifting Away" that is just so beautiful, even better than the first. Stopping to pay attention to the soundtracks hasn't happened yet in WuWa, I really hope they change that in future patches.
I also felt the same thing but I quickly brushed it off as it’s not the same fantasy as Genshin, but I kept getting reminded of that every time I played I was so used to Genshin music that I have to resist to turn on songs just so I could get a bit more excited.
The game being fantasy is not an excuse. If I think of Nier Automata I remember most of the ost and immediately associate them to the area they're in
@@MrGoodra17yeah, Nier Automata being the depressing and very lacking in human stuff idk what to call it story wise, got mind blowing music, like holy sht my ears
Thats true. Genshin is thriving wuth life while wuthering waves is post apocalyptic
wuthering waves is a game who the entire story is about sounds, the minimum is have great ost's but the reality is elevator music.
100% agreed. Especially when making an obvious comparison like Genshin where the music has so much incredible diversity and has a far more confident presence during exploration, combat and story moments...
Genshin's OST is one of the best I've ever heard. It's an impossibly high bar.
@@SyLuX636that the reason why ppl like it Orchestra is something never die and can go along with every distinguish culture type music
@@SyLuX636poor guy try really hard to defend wuwa hahaha
@@SyLuX636 i love wuwa,but you saying you're not impressed by genshin's ost because it's orchestra is just stupid.At this point, you're just hating my guy ✌️😅. And this is coming from from me,a guy who's so bored on playing genshin because there's nothing to do except the abyss (i haven't played genshin since the release of wuwa btw).We should give credits when it's deserved and i think Genshin OST's are great
@@SyLuX636 This guy is trying his best to defend ww under every comments.
@@SyLuX636 keep dreaming your just a cry baby just because hoyo dont cater you like how that wuwa spoiled players giving free pull. now you hating hoyo with that. Atleast hoyo is not trying hard to get players .Im also a free to play in genshin but its okay if i lose a 50/50 there is a "Rerun" thats the reason why it exist in the first place. I like a game that is fair and square. Game like that who give unlimited free pull is boring.
Completely agree with your assessment Marco. I’ve played all three of the Hoyoverse games and their soundtracks are all unique and leaving a lasting impression. I’m not a music expert by any stretch but I know music is good imo when the theme gets stuck in my head and I can hum the tune. I can do this with many of the OST from the Hoyoverse games, but after 50 hours in, playing WuWa I can’t even mentally recall what any of the music sounds like. It’s just flat and forgettable. I think that Hoyo loves music and creating music and they go all out. WuWa feels like music was an afterthought. Hopefully the devs take feedback from creators like yourself with musical experience and improve it.
Imagine if they Poach Yupeng to do the Music.
It was pretty concerning that you can't hear much BGM at the very start. It being SO QUIET pretty sucks.
And I agree. For a game about sounds and stuff. Their OST doesn't feel like anything.
While I agree it is currently somewhat lacking, if Kuro is able to stay true to their rep, which I believe they will, it will simply take time for the game to fully flesh out its Musical identity.
I've been disappointed by the music so far. There was one point, however, just before a boss fight during the main story quest, where an absolute BANGER starts playing. My first thought was, "Wait till Marco hears this!" 😂 its been the only moment in the game where the music made me stop to listen.
Wait can you tell me what moment it was
@Il_Capitano_No.1 the mech abomination fight! The music to me is pretty different from the other boss fights, in that it has more personality. The fights with other bosses like the Aix and the Heron have cool music, but it's... just electronic music. The mech fight has really cool melodies with intertwining instrumentals like a super retro, twangy guitar, keyboard, and what sounds like xylophone or something
I haven’t heard a single note in this game when exploring. Sometimes when the battle music starts out of the blue , i finally realise that my game is not on mute
People said i was part of those group with bad taste of music and didnt have knowledge on music when i said i didnt like WuWa music and then u said this sentence, i thought i was being delusional when i said that bruh i got demolished out there😭😭😭 i have 1500 music collection even though im not PROFESSIONAL i can tell music is good or not just by listening to it, people who has huge collection of something always know the quality of something they treasure the most and people cant just understand that.
it's not your fault. It's just that a good 90% of Wuthering Waves fans were quite literally baited and bribed with free stuff, and when a gacha game players gets things for doing nothing they will turn into the most loyal defender of said company, going as far as denying any type of problem the game has. Or rather, this is true until a more "generous" game comes out or the situation changes. At that point the sad people I just mentioned will be quick to jump boats without a second thought. They are nothing but gambling addicts with very pathetic standards, that's how i'd describe them.
@@Andre-0207 I was honestly quite surprised at the game's suboptimal performance on launch and response from the dev considering what I heard about pgr. The bugs, the lack of EN voicing direction, the mid music. To be fair, there are fun aspects to the game such as movement and combat, but things like domain costs and even weirdly high ingredient prices are.... tough. The mistranslations as well. It's like they rushed to release a product that wasn't finished yet so it could start earning revenue.
@@evewhoo fully agreed. Popular theory is that they are trying to rush the project as much as they can because Zenless Zone Zero and Genshin Natlan update is upon them. They know they cannot properly compete with the quality of either of the two games in their respective field (open world, story and music for genshin, combat something more for ZZZ)
Also i heard that in cbt2 the story was much better.... but the characters didn ot trust rover that much. The chinese community didn't like it and kuro responded by scrapping the story from act 1 to act 4 and rushing a replacement for it.
I absolutely agree. I was so excited to hear the music since Flow and the main menu theme are really good.
On the good part, PGR didn't get the iconic songs like Narwhal or the Qu boss theme when the game came out, we had to wait some patches to get the good ones. I hope the case is the same for this game.
Is Flow even in the game? Pretty sure it’s just scrapped for whatever reason
this are exactly my feelings. as i explored around areas, everything sorta blended in the bg and felt like the same energy. nothing really stuck or made me want to stay in an area to feel immersed with music and scenery. im no professional in music buut these are my feelings about it. hopefully they improve in the future.
I really hope the music gets better in later versions. I dunno what it is but especially the "hub/city" themes felt kind of weird to me
Idk but i like jinzhou city's theme
As a person who's greatly enjoying WuWa and put Genshin/HSR on hiatus while playing it... I fully agree. The music is definitely the weak part of this game.
In the end I'll keep playing all three games.
Pienso lo mismo. De todo el juego (Wuwa) solo me gustaron 3 canciones 😓Es triste porque una de las razones principales por las cuales, por ejemplo, Genshin y HSR llamaron tanto mi atención fue por la música, así que estaba esperando que con Wuwa también fuera el caso, pero lamentablemente me decepcionó bastante.
Así que lo que he hecho estos días es bajarle todo el volumen a la música de Wuwa en la configuración y luego pongo una playlist de mis bandas sonoras favoritas de videojuegos (a veces pongo los OST de Genshin otras veces los OST de Final Fantasy o Nier.. etc) Para mí es más disfrutable y ameno el juego cuando se tiene una buena banda sonora de fondo.
I'm currently at about 7ish hours and I'll be honest, but aside from the plot and story being different, I feel like it's just another Genshin Impact, and I have some gripes with this game.
1. Yangyang is absolutely lifeless, dull and boring and the fact that she's an important character with a lot of dialog especially early on makes it even worse.
2. The soundtrack is also kind of dull and lifeless, the most thrilling music is the tittle screen menu music and that's about it.
3. The characters aren't that interesting.
4. The MC (You) ONCE AGAIN suffers from the worst trope in gaming history, the Amnesia Trope (Seriously I'm so sick of that stupid trope because WAY too many games rely on it rather than actually giving the MC an interesting story from the beginning, the Amnesia trope is such a bland and easy cop-out for the lack of creativity and compelling story telling.)
I'll probably uninstall Wuthering Waves, just like I did with the other boring and dull Genshin, Honkai and PGR Copycat Gacha games out there.
Maybe ZZZ won't let you down
I need to show this to a friend that called me crazy when I told him that the music was pretty bad.
I just deleted the game yesterday 😂 the story is just there. And i feel this over kill prizes will make the game even boring because it becomes easier. I gave it a three day trial period and all those time playing it i was sooooo bored. This games lacks immersion which is everything for a good game.
I can strongly relate.
@SyLuX636 Saying Marco is easily impressed is the most laughable thing I've heard. You clearly haven't been watching his channel for long because he criticizes genshin quite a few times. He recently critized there most recent boss ost. Yall wuthering waves fans really starting to be no different from the genshin Fandom you hate so much. Making such quick judgments about a person purely based off the fact that he said something negative about your game. The is white night behavior at its finest.
@@marvellousbalogun3826 Kuro listened, but their fanbase didnt
Yeah, this game is lacking a ton of polish and a lot of people are struggling to get it to run well on their devices. The game is getting roasted in China right now.
Im going yo give it more time because i remember genshin didnt really start POPPIN OFF till after dainsleif. Thats when the lore just got SIGNIFICANTLY more interesting so im waiting.
Thank god, here I thought I was going bonkers. Ended up leaving the game after a while and just blasting the Saving Light video (full vocal version of the aforementioned loading screen theme) in the background. A good soundtrack is *the* most crucial part of a game experience for me 😔
This is one of the first things I noticed when I started the game, there's instances where there's no music at all and just silence which unless you're playing a horror game doesn't seem like a good choice for drawing players into the atmosphere of the game.
In my opinion Wuthering Wave has a very good combat, and 3D characters models, but to me the world building kinda bland and the story for now is kinda plain, also the soundtrack is kinda plain
The thing that's most off-putting for me is the complete lack of any ambient sounds in some areas. It feels like I'm playing an unfinished game at times.
This game literally did the world reveal moment just like Genshin (and a bunch of other open world games) and it was dead silent, followed by a bunch of exposition. It literally hit like a limp fish. It is impossible not to compare to the awe you feel with the music swell and such in other games in the same moment. That was when I knew music wasn't a priority for this game
Absolutely agree. And at many points of the game the music just completely stopped. That was just SO jarring and idk how they could make it like that.
The music is second worst to the EN voice. That MUST be AI generated, no way someone voiced it that bad.
Hey, we don't need unnecessary flame towards the voice actors - they are real people
@@iXIand Yangyang sounds too dull and lifeless, she is TOO boring and the fact that she's such an important character in the early part of the game with a lot of dialog makes it worse, and the EN VA only adds to the fact she's so boring. I've started skipping cutscenes just so I don't have to listen to her talk.
@@shushyshushy6762 That's fair, but that's not the point - they are definitely real people. I also agree that Yangyang's EN VA is underwhelming and dull and I am also disappointed along with the majority of wuwa en players
The irony is that the Wuthering Waves worldbuilding terms are based on music and sound.
Where's PGR's BANGER music?
I honestly think the music is fine. I love that the overworld stuff isn't too melodic, I turn off genshin music these days cuz it gets repetetive and interrupts the flow sometimes. I agree tho that Kuro can improve on their boss music.
I would agree, it feels like the audio is mixed weirdly.
There’s some amazing music in the overworld as you progress it. There are side quests that evolve the world-
Also that the music is like Global music, unless there was a certain environmental phenomena, the same throughout every corner, and some different ones but can't really identify the difference much. I do hope they change it on future updates
I have hope. especially, the theme from the first cutscene, hit me hard it was beautiful.
I personally like the bgm when exploring but cutscene/combat wise, I haven't really noticed the music now that I've thought about it.
The BGM issue has actually been reported by players during game testing. But maybe because Kuro was busy modifying other more important parts, he didn't put the BGM issue at the forefront. Moreover, this time the music is completely handled by KURO itself, there is no outsourcing project. So, give them some time and see what updates follow.
The music isn't the issue, I actually like the music, The bass hitting when you get into combat with the glitchyness of the strings and the piano feels good (I'm playing with IEMs).
The game is the issue. It's been altered to suit the complaints of people. The color palette was changed, character [designs] were changed, most likely story bits as well, among other things. So that feeling we got when we listened to "Flow" is gone, because the game isn't that anymore.
Guys... stop trying to turn it into Genshin. Please, let Kuro do their thing.
@@ziebus904 Right, designs. Sorry.
@@ziebus904 hmm... If you're not gonna look it up, we don't have to talk. Enjoy your day.
Glad someone noticed it !! A lot just has hoyoverse's biases that's why they were disappointed. They're not looking at Wuthering Waves as it's own thing.
Disappointed because it's not in your face with the combat music just like with PGR. Boring because it's not like Genshin/HSR's way of melodic composing.
They keep on inserting their biases and warping the identity of this game.
They were just so used to those bgm/songs because it has been out for a while. Even making their preferences stronger... That when this game goes out of its way to do its own thing contrary to what they are used to. They exaggeratedly hate it and use that as objective criticism.
If they just stop and feel and listen to the ambient music in the different areas of the overworld. It fits the context.
@@Kazuki_22It's because WuWa is very hyped, very highly praised by a LOT of CCs and users online. WuWa even released MVs/trailers with banger music but when it came to the in-game, it dipped so hard. And of course, it's an open world game so it should be at least comparable to the games with similar genre such as GI. Post-apocalyptic theme isn't an excuse with the bland music. Just look at Nier
Having the concept of a world made up by sound waves and frequencies, only for the actual in-game sound to be lackluster and not incorporated in the gameplay, is such a missed opportunity🤔
Like, imagine if achieving certain soundeffects or something was part of the mechanism?
Someone mentioned rhythm games. How cool wouldn't it be to beat monsters, or just get bonus dmg, from hitting in synch with the battle music or something? Or if each monstertype had their own actual soundwave/theme signaling the optimal time for dodge/counterattack?
Yk, anything that makes the soundwave concept feel integral to the world and not just a, "it really isn't magic/zombies/vampires because it's called something diFfEReNt."
Or instead of creating funky weather the anomalies could emit sounds that attract monsters, confuse creatures, breaks glass/stone, and more.
Doesn't matter if they do expand on it later, because if it's integral then it should be so integral you can see it from the very beginning🤷🏻♀️
All that being said, I do love the movement and combat mechanics as they are!
i would have to agree with you! i’m not familiar with PGR personally, but from what i’ve heard you and other players say the soundtrack there is really good so i’m honestly kinda shocked that Kuro chose such a bland direction for the music in WuWa… like sure the music isn’t bad by any means but nothing has really stood out to me or gotten stuck in my head besides the login screen’s theme :(
i hope Kuro will shift gears in the future and give us some cooler music but rn i guess i’ll be doing my exploration on mute and playing my own music :/
I haven’t played PGR much, but the game has so many banger songs.
PGR has an amazing soundtrack that really elevates the boss fights. Lamia and narwhal are among my favourite video game tracks ever, so it's a bummer that the music here is generic and bland.
As a longtime Genshin player who lives for the lore, plot and immersion, I can say that I'd play Wuthering Waves maybe once or twice a week after the initial novelty wears down, whereas I have played Genshin daily since pretty much its release.
The only thing so far that Wuthering Waves does better is the combat difficulty. I've actually skipped story, something I usually would NEVER do, because I just couldn't take all those half-explained lorebits, airy voices, lack of musical tension and mediocre plotpoints anymore. Granted, I am not that far into the game yet, but it hasn't hooked me in the slightest.
As it stands, it will just be my outlet for my occasional craving of taking on more challenging enemies that the Genshin Bosses, where I can either just Zhongli or Neuvillette my way through or run joke lvl 20-40 teams in coop with friends.
The only thing I like about the game is the gameplay.
The story is all over the place, felt like they trying to cramp everything in one go, trying to explain the whole world in one sitting in the beginning
I hope in future updates they will include more variety of names.
And also the music is... So so, even thou the themes is about music, sound and waves..
I hope in future updates itll be better.
I literally forgot to appreciate the music in this game but thats because I forgot it existed, I could barely notice it sadly, I just hope they improve it soon
login music, crownless, and maybe a few other bosses was neat music but for the rest i didnt even realize it was there ngl
It's been a week now since release, and I keep finding myself going back to the music from the CBT, stuff like the OG menu music or Tianchengs theme - none of which made the final cut. I don't know why all of that music that managed to tell a story through sound alone was simply forgotten and discarded, but it's genuinely such a shame that this game had so much potential and it just... threw it away.
Wuwa Menu music >>> Wuwa region music
I completely agree. I was expecting a lot more in terms of music, specially because Sound Waves is the theme of the game. On that note too, I'm getting a bug were soundtrack simply stops playing out of nowhere. Anyone else having the same problem?
The feeling I got from the music of WuWa vs PGV is similar to DD2 vs DD1.
Alright, from what I found out is that Kuro Games was almost broke during the CBTs yue to the adjustments and launch is kinda the aftermath or rather the confirmation for this aswell as the music.
The incredible music from PGR is from Vanguard Sound Studios. They did actually make a Menu theme for Wuthering Waves, but it only appeared in one of the CBTs.
The resason we dont hear anything else from Vanguard Sound Studios in Wuthering Waves is because of Kuro games funds being put into testing and adjusting etc.
But why isnt the Theme we already have from Vamguary Sound Studios not being used? Consistency. It would be very odd to have this one incredible piece in the menu and nothing else on a similar level in the game.
So yeah, we either have to wait till they can hire Vanguard Sound Studios...or hope that Kuro Games own Sound Studio theyre currently using gets some epic stuff out on their own.
Yup. People hoping Kuro will return the story from CBT should wake up. They need Money right now so they have to Do the Snowbreak Route.
And even after that I doubt they will Rick that Good will in the future.
Even so, CBT1 story just wasn't even good. Other Gacha game have stories where the Gacha Characters don't trust the MC for in Lore reason like Path to Nowhere. It's just that we quickly earn there trust.
WuWa CBT didn't even give us the Ability to earn the characters trust at all.
@@arnowisp6244 Alright, you need to elaborate on "People hopinh zo return thr story from CBT" and "The Snowbreak Route" becauae im not sure what you mean here.
it is kinda wild thinking how we got bangers like Narwal in PGR but they couldnt give us anything as standout in WW as of right now.
They really said that this game is "story-rich", it is rich, rich in jargons and accompanied with broken subtitles. The only redeeming quality that this game has is the combat, this game really needed to be in the oven for a tad longer.
"Buh, buh ginshin bahd! Wuwu god!"
-Some Genshin Hater
I played the game for about 2 hours so far and the first thing I noticed was the story seemed to be all over the place. that combined with characters that just didn't seem very memorable made the storyline just feel blah. the graphics are beautiful and I never had any graphic issues but I just wish the characters and story was more engaging and a bit less complicated to grasp
wuwa music is so generic atm that i had to use genshin battle ost while combat
The word "disappointing" fits it perfectly... the best thing they can do right now is to hire yu peng chen
At least the combat is sick. It's some of the best melee combat in a game I've played ever. The music will get better I'm sure.
I think it will be a competitor against Genshin but I doubt it's out to kill the game. I'm sure there will be plenty of people that playboth .
They clearly aren't using Vanguard Sound very much whereas PGR has Vanguard for the entire OST. For Wuwa they just need to use Vanguard as much as possible.
I get this. PGR was the same but once the first patch came out. Things get INTERESTING. I'm glad you're in the mindset to wait it out
But this isn't PGR's release, it isn't 2019. Does Kuro Games not learn from their own mistakes or from their competitors improvements?
@@iFishFrogs after much debate, the reason why the music is off is because it's done in house rather than someone else doing the music. I'm not sure tho
@@iFishFrogs they did not make WW that distinct from Genshin, a lot of the system is way too similar making it's identity confusing
They should already learn from PGR tho
I said something similar. Genshin didnt really start going crazy yoll after dainsleaf. Thats when the lore, the wourlbuilding, EVERYTHONG just got amped up by a million so imma wait for wuthering waves to have that moment.
So, in my opinion, fighting music is what they delivered pretty well in this game as the composers are probably very skilled in writing that type of music from PGR experience. Now, the world BGM seems kind of lacklaster tbh, except that one Lo-fi track that plays on the lower level of Jinzhou city and maybe solo piano on that secluded island with Abyss type of gamemode. I think we just need to wait and see how it goes.