Would love to see post race stats on the numbers of punctures on tubulars, clinchers, and tubeless setups. Also, I can’t understand why no one’s running “rain” tires, surely Michelin, Pirelli, Schwalbe, Conti, etc can come up with a rain tire that’ll perform better in the wet, mud, and on cobbles than our regular dry road slicks.
Yes, they have. They are called cyclocross tires. They are wider, more threaded/grippy and with a thicker compound to provide additional puncture protection. Why the riders don't change to bikes with 33-35mm cyclocross tires with a lower PSI in survival conditions like this after the first 100km of tarmac is beyond me. That would have been the better strategy. Any additional aerodynamic drag of the wider tire in the tarmac sections between the pavé sectors is more than compensated by the better traction and control in the wet and muddy pavé. Just look at Gianni Moscon: he was always gaining time on the tarmac sections but losing much more on the pavé sectors. Plus he could have avoided a crash and a puncture with wider cyclocross tires. He might have won with wider tires.
The problem with moscon was that after his puncture he got a bike that had to much tire pressure that was the reason he bounced around on the cobbles an was fast on the tarmac. The same tires just difference in pressure.
@@The_One-Eyed_Undertaker I’m thinking something still road-focused though. They have something like 200k on smooth roads, so they don’t want to give up too much rolling speed to the pave sectors. The tire manufacturers should be able to design a more versatile yet fast road tire
@@ezraholwerda1512 I'm sorry but... do you have a source for that? Or is it just speculation? Because I can't believe the mechanics at Ineos would be so dumb to have replacement bikes ready with improper tire pressure. I can also speculate that the fact he bounced around is because the latter sectors are harder than the first ones, he was more tired and he's air pressure was similar with both bikes. The problem is still the same: tires were too weak and/or soft (he punctured) and latter they were too slippery and/or hard (he bounced and crashed). Both issues are diminished with 33-35mm cyclocross tires.
The fans are usually members of the teams fan club. So they're registered and checked. Plus it's a bit of an honor. Some will have done this job for years and years. - Dave
I'm sure theft had occurred past to present, but I am not sure it is wise to steal in an environment like this, the thief can't go to far, too many staff running around watching each other's back.
There are pro cyclocross races with less mud than what we saw on Sunday. Even more respect for the gladiators of the past that raced rainy and muddy Roubaix on non-compliant steel frames without any kind of suspension system, rim brakes and 20mm skinny tubulars! 30mm tires (what most of the peloton was using) were a compromise and still not wide enough for wet and muddy pavé, clearly shown by all the slides and crashes. The better strategy would have been that after the introductory 100km of tarmac and BEFORE the first section of pavé, they changed their bikes with 25-26mm road tires to bikes with 33-35mm cyclocross tires or (for the heavier riders) even 38mm light gravel tires with lower pressure for even greater grip. Any additional aerodynamic drag of the wider tire in the tarmac sections between the pavé sectors is more than compensated by the better traction and control in the wet and muddy pavé. Just look at Gianni Moscon: he was always gaining time on the tarmac sections but losing much more on the pavé sectors. Plus he could have avoided a crash and a puncture with wider cyclocross tires. He might have won with wider tires.
Completely agree; I'd go for a mix of tyres - slick on the rear, but a semi tread/slick on the front. I'd love to have seen a team/rider go 'leftfield' and run a gravel bike and wider tyres. But that's not going to happen - they're all too conservative, and obsessed with weight/aero. There may be only 50km of cobbles, but they are the most defining part of the race.
Looks more for aero reasons to me but it must save some road grime/mud/water being flicked into the caliper too. Of course the disc will still get wet/dirty but as a mountain biker that has never caused a problem for me. In fact a wet ride on a stoney/sandy trail is great as it keeps scrubbing the disk and pads clean!
Oh, they make all the difference. I find I can sprint, climb and descend about 28.67732343321% faster because of disc brakes. Oh, and they're "aero". Really, like everything else "aero", I just bought the latest "aero" socks and wow, what a huge difference they make.
Oh, oversized pulleys make all the difference. And to make them even better, even more "aero", before you install them treat/coat them with ceramic auto protectant. It reduces friction by an additional 17.6455391% Really, I swear. Do the same with the chain. An additional 17.6455491% friction reduction. That's a secret pro tip.......er
It's amazing how many choose to use them and go against what the sponsors usually have for them. It's one of the only races in the year you'll see teams going against sponsored product like this. Thanks god for the sharpie! - Dave
There's only Trek-Segafredo on SRAM from what I spotted. If you go check out the women's tech video you'll see loads more SRAM. There seems loads more women's teams on SRAM then mans. -Dave
The Bianchi bike looks the nicest ! The Pinarello Dogma looks like two different bikes glued together. I know it is F1 technology but the designs are heinous with disc brakes. They look like MTB+TT best looking bikes were 2012-2014 what happened? Just am opinion over a glass of red 🍷.
This past Sunday was 30mm. On dry Roubaix editons most of the peloton rides 28mm. But if you ask me, 30mm is not grippy enough for the horrible conditions of last Sunday. They should have changed to at least 33-35mm cyclocross tires once they were done with the first 100km of tarmac and the pavé sectors started. Just ask Gianni Moscon.
There were a few on 32mm. As well as size the pressure is a major factor in grip and rolling resistance. But preferred pressures are usually all top secret to us fans. - Dave
Usually they use the same type of tires throughout the race. In paris roubaix they only move to wider slick tires. It's not actually slicks and there's a bit of thread on it but yea... why slicks you might ask? Well the race is 80% on asphalts. This guys are racers as well and often speed is priority and comfort comes second to them.
You only need tread to displace water if you have a wide contact patch like a car tyre. Tread is only needed on bike tyres if you're trying to grip on a soft surface like mud - all it does on a hard surface (even a wet hard surface) is reduce the area in contact with the road.
@@marktranchant8043 Well, by the look of the riders at the finish line I would say there was quite a lot of mud. In those conditions, 33-35mm cyclocross tires would have been a better choice once the pavé sectors started.
Good film , shows how bad the weather was, glad things improved slightly during the race.
Did you see the race? What improvement are you talking about? That was the most crashes I’ve ever seen!
@@wesleyturner1979 The weather
I love the bmc and ridleys
thank you Cycling Tips for taking us behind the scenes on every team.
GRACIAS
I did that same duct tape on my cycling shoes, makes a great rain shoe cover
Duct tape is one of the great inventions of our time - Dave
Would love to see post race stats on the numbers of punctures on tubulars, clinchers, and tubeless setups. Also, I can’t understand why no one’s running “rain” tires, surely Michelin, Pirelli, Schwalbe, Conti, etc can come up with a rain tire that’ll perform better in the wet, mud, and on cobbles than our regular dry road slicks.
Yes, they have. They are called cyclocross tires. They are wider, more threaded/grippy and with a thicker compound to provide additional puncture protection.
Why the riders don't change to bikes with 33-35mm cyclocross tires with a lower PSI in survival conditions like this after the first 100km of tarmac is beyond me. That would have been the better strategy. Any additional aerodynamic drag of the wider tire in the tarmac sections between the pavé sectors is more than compensated by the better traction and control in the wet and muddy pavé.
Just look at Gianni Moscon: he was always gaining time on the tarmac sections but losing much more on the pavé sectors. Plus he could have avoided a crash and a puncture with wider cyclocross tires. He might have won with wider tires.
The problem with moscon was that after his puncture he got a bike that had to much tire pressure that was the reason he bounced around on the cobbles an was fast on the tarmac. The same tires just difference in pressure.
@@The_One-Eyed_Undertaker I’m thinking something still road-focused though. They have something like 200k on smooth roads, so they don’t want to give up too much rolling speed to the pave sectors. The tire manufacturers should be able to design a more versatile yet fast road tire
@@ezraholwerda1512 saw that. Was he running tubeless?
@@ezraholwerda1512 I'm sorry but... do you have a source for that? Or is it just speculation? Because I can't believe the mechanics at Ineos would be so dumb to have replacement bikes ready with improper tire pressure.
I can also speculate that the fact he bounced around is because the latter sectors are harder than the first ones, he was more tired and he's air pressure was similar with both bikes. The problem is still the same: tires were too weak and/or soft (he punctured) and latter they were too slippery and/or hard (he bounced and crashed). Both issues are diminished with 33-35mm cyclocross tires.
The teams are very trusting to give fans wheels to stand by the side of the road
The fans are usually members of the teams fan club. So they're registered and checked. Plus it's a bit of an honor. Some will have done this job for years and years. - Dave
I'm sure theft had occurred past to present, but I am not sure it is wise to steal in an environment like this, the thief can't go to far, too many staff running around watching each other's back.
Top work yet again Dave👍
Thanks 👍
There are pro cyclocross races with less mud than what we saw on Sunday. Even more respect for the gladiators of the past that raced rainy and muddy Roubaix on non-compliant steel frames without any kind of suspension system, rim brakes and 20mm skinny tubulars!
30mm tires (what most of the peloton was using) were a compromise and still not wide enough for wet and muddy pavé, clearly shown by all the slides and crashes. The better strategy would have been that after the introductory 100km of tarmac and BEFORE the first section of pavé, they changed their bikes with 25-26mm road tires to bikes with 33-35mm cyclocross tires or (for the heavier riders) even 38mm light gravel tires with lower pressure for even greater grip. Any additional aerodynamic drag of the wider tire in the tarmac sections between the pavé sectors is more than compensated by the better traction and control in the wet and muddy pavé.
Just look at Gianni Moscon: he was always gaining time on the tarmac sections but losing much more on the pavé sectors. Plus he could have avoided a crash and a puncture with wider cyclocross tires. He might have won with wider tires.
Completely agree; I'd go for a mix of tyres - slick on the rear, but a semi tread/slick on the front. I'd love to have seen a team/rider go 'leftfield' and run a gravel bike and wider tyres. But that's not going to happen - they're all too conservative, and obsessed with weight/aero. There may be only 50km of cobbles, but they are the most defining part of the race.
Good job, Dave.
The muck scraper on the fork was a nice catch on video. Geeking out here.
The bit on the bmc in front of the brake caliper? Pretty sure that's an aero thing not for mud
@@htdtr I share Ken's opinion on that.
@@htdtr I'll take that it is for aero. Great to see the little details in the pits/paddock.
Looks more for aero reasons to me but it must save some road grime/mud/water being flicked into the caliper too. Of course the disc will still get wet/dirty but as a mountain biker that has never caused a problem for me. In fact a wet ride on a stoney/sandy trail is great as it keeps scrubbing the disk and pads clean!
BMC markets it as a aero feature.
Good to see that everybody, including Ineos, moved on to discs.
Makes life easier for the Shimano neutral service too - Dave
Not really moved on disc. For paris roubaix yes but not in climbing areas like alps mountains!
Oh, they make all the difference. I find I can sprint, climb and descend about 28.67732343321% faster because of disc brakes. Oh, and they're "aero". Really, like everything else "aero", I just bought the latest "aero" socks and wow, what a huge difference they make.
Thanks for your videos, we are waiting for your next adventures!
You won't have to wait too long. I'm off to a top secret event on sunday - Dave
@@VeloVeloVeloTV Excellent Dave 🤩
Nice video. So much prep for this race. So much equipment. Budgets must be huge.
Heck, anything between 10-45 million euros a year for a World Tour team. - Dave
Absolute fantastic, equipmant in future.
I do love Lotto-Soudal's bikes with the painted on "lugs".
tyre width would have been interesting
That guy with Bora said 30
Every team were on 30-32mm.There was a few 28mm but they were spares on team cars. - Dave
EXCELENTE VIDEO! Lo que estaba buscando lo encontré aquí. Los felicito por el material. Muchísimos detalles
Thanks for the kind words. - Dave
I do appreciate the B-roll footage, but I would like it if the host explained what it was. Some of the stuff is hard to pick out in the short clips.
Cheers for the feedback, I'll keep that in mind - Dave
Great comment about the legend himself, Heinrich Haussler!
Top 10 again for the hitter. next year, always next year ;) - Dave
Here's a great tech for Roubaix in this oh-so-good-looking-high-tech-bike-world: mud guards!!!
Imagine believing in over sized pulleys but you have a 10 tooth cog on your cassette.
🤣🤣🤣
Imagine still believing in an imaginary god from a schizophrenic dude from 2000 years ago.
Oh, oversized pulleys make all the difference. And to make them even better, even more "aero", before you install them treat/coat them with ceramic auto protectant. It reduces friction by an additional 17.6455391% Really, I swear. Do the same with the chain. An additional 17.6455491% friction reduction. That's a secret pro tip.......er
So many teams running Conti GP 5k!
It's amazing how many choose to use them and go against what the sponsors usually have for them. It's one of the only races in the year you'll see teams going against sponsored product like this. Thanks god for the sharpie! - Dave
Any reason why there were lots of Shimano & Campy group sets but no SRAM? Maybe Shoddy Dave isn’t into SRAM?
There's only Trek-Segafredo on SRAM from what I spotted. If you go check out the women's tech video you'll see loads more SRAM. There seems loads more women's teams on SRAM then mans. -Dave
The Bianchi bike looks the nicest ! The Pinarello Dogma looks like two different bikes glued together. I know it is F1 technology but the designs are heinous with disc brakes. They look like MTB+TT best looking bikes were 2012-2014 what happened? Just am opinion over a glass of red 🍷.
Gotta say I'm not a fan of the Pinarello either, wins the ugly bike award at the race - dave
stems that long just shows you how flexible those riders are jesus
Every Belgian pro legally has to have one. - Dave
Interesting that one of the EF riders was using a specialized handlebar !
Good spot - Dave
Awesome job!!!!
Thanks!! - Dave
What team is on BMC Campy?
Citroen AGR2
What is the size of most tires if i may ask?
This past Sunday was 30mm. On dry Roubaix editons most of the peloton rides 28mm. But if you ask me, 30mm is not grippy enough for the horrible conditions of last Sunday. They should have changed to at least 33-35mm cyclocross tires once they were done with the first 100km of tarmac and the pavé sectors started. Just ask Gianni Moscon.
@@The_One-Eyed_Undertaker Thanks.
There were a few on 32mm. As well as size the pressure is a major factor in grip and rolling resistance. But preferred pressures are usually all top secret to us fans. - Dave
Such a thick accent that the cc subtitles are confused. They actually translated: "India´s Grenadiers"
thank u
When road racing do the teams use the same tread on the tyres or do they use slicks and tread tyres in the wet like racing cars?
Usually they use the same type of tires throughout the race. In paris roubaix they only move to wider slick tires. It's not actually slicks and there's a bit of thread on it but yea... why slicks you might ask? Well the race is 80% on asphalts. This guys are racers as well and often speed is priority and comfort comes second to them.
You only need tread to displace water if you have a wide contact patch like a car tyre. Tread is only needed on bike tyres if you're trying to grip on a soft surface like mud - all it does on a hard surface (even a wet hard surface) is reduce the area in contact with the road.
@@marktranchant8043 Well, by the look of the riders at the finish line I would say there was quite a lot of mud. In those conditions, 33-35mm cyclocross tires would have been a better choice once the pavé sectors started.
Love these vids
Merci- dave
Close, but no cigar - two of the three podium bikes featured, but not the winner 😃
Sonney's is at the start. Or at least two of his spare bikes. - Dave
Didn't see any 3T bikes...is that normal?
3T doesn't sponsor any of these teams with their bikes, and the riders ride team bikes.
There's not even any 3T components, or at least what I spotted. - dave
The BMC fork is interesting
All of those cycling men have made shoddy wet.
What were Quick Step using for tires?
Has to be specialized turbo cotton
@@LoaforDie Tubs or clinchers?
Pretty sure they'd be tubs as Roval don't make a tubeless clincher...officially. -Dave
“Peter 4 bikes eh”
I’m gonna call him Peter 4 bikes from now on.
We will see if he keeps that name at TotalEnergie - Dave
Maybe I be able to afford that cap
3:23 a shark doesnt swim backwards
Mathieu would’ve won with tubeless GPs
That and a double wrap of bar tape ;) - Dave
Good to see there wasn’t any crushed up Coca Cola cans being passed around and no Doctor Ferrari hovering around 😂🤣😂😂🚮