It's a Massachusetts thing... every once in a while you gotta just uncork and have at it....the preshah of livin' in da cradle of libahtee...where it's illegal ta blow off a firecracker!! It leads to inappropriate outbursts!!! Welcome aboard brother...and don't be a stranger!!
I stumbled upon Cronins book about 10 years ago and it really changed my views of the pre- European landscape. This subject is one that I am passionate about and believe this subject should be of integral importance to contemporary environmentalists. The concept of "girdling " trees has been oversimplified. I have personally experminted with this technique and it is much more difficult to kill diffuse porous hardwoods than believed.
You and me both! I've had to girdle them three times before they died...which is clearly inefficient and not what we would expect the Native People to do as they were maximizing their effort/payoff quotient. Maybe FIRE in conjunction with girdling would be more efficient? We need to experiment!
@@FishingHistoricPlaces You very well may be onto something with the combination of fire it also occurs to me that time of the year may be more important than I have realized. Let's keep experimenting!
I went to the UW Madison back in the 80's. I was taught that the NA regularly burned forest to produce more low level brows for deer and rabbits as well as to clear land for agriculture. Thanks for this content
It's all over the primary sources, from descriptions of the woodland/ field environment through discussion of how to get them to stop "wasting" the land. Then there are the myriad of plants and animals that are fire or field "evolved" and now threatened because it's been a long time since fire has been allowed. Some states have begun controlled burns in hopes of stimulating these species to return. Thanks for watching!
@@FishingHistoricPlaces Great information. I'm learning a lot. I took Native American history electives in High School. I was taught about the creation of deer hunting "alleys" or cleared lanes in the forest. Native Americans waited for deer to cross and graze these lanes while hunting. Has this been verified? If so, is there remaining evidence of where these hunting lanes where located?
@@riverbluevert7814 Native People hunted in a variety of ways. It wasn't about sport, but food...so we wouldn't consider what they did as necessarily kind or sporting. As far as lanes go, I use lanes when I bow hunt. It's a common practice and Native bows were nowhere near as powerful as ours so they had to get very close. Most of the Arrowheads that we find are really spear points thrown with an atl-atl...and lanes would have made using one of those more effective as well. My own lanes need to be cleared yearly and those used by the Native People are long gone...though finds of "points" chipped and damaged in a particular area might point to the bullseye of one!! Thanks for watching and commenting!!
Made my day!! Thanks. I'm trying to generate conversations around getting out in the world... history, natural history, fishing.... don't be a stranger and HAPPY 4TH!!
@@FishingHistoricPlaces happy fourth! im gonna watch your videos with my mom and hang out in her woods (Hudson Valley/Catskills) you have such dense juicy info im so impressed❤
@@elihyland4781 I'm heading out to Poland Ny next Friday for some Adirondack fishing, mushroom hunting, and history at Fort Stanwix and Oriskany. I've gotta hit the Catskills this summer too! Thanks for the kind words!
I love moccasins. We always added extra layers of leather as a sole because of thorn brush and chestnut burrs. In fall, there are rattler and copperhead babies and the heavy soles stopped them from biting into the foot.
@@FishingHistoricPlaces Coming to a brush patch near you! I'm in Arizona, land of sunshine and cactus thorns. Get Apache boots, then. They use heavy layers of leather. My people are from Penna, and family states with joy, the chestnuts are back! Last time up that way, I went hiking and found a lot of burrs under a wild tree. I collected some and back home, had the pre-school grandkids thoroughly convinced they were porcupine eggs. niio
@@tsiharter6423 I'm part Natick myself and you've made my heart sing on this great day. I know they are trying to restore them with a hybrid but have really just started planting out here in the East!! I've apparently gotta get me some thicker soled moccs... quick like!!! Thanks for sharing that bit of Natural History!!!
@@FishingHistoricPlaces Hybrids yes, for fast retake of the forest biome. But, eventually pure American stock. The tree I mentioned had to have been there for a lot of decades, and it had a lot of young ones already bearing in a narrow stripmine and surrounding colmn banks. Look forward to great deer and turkey hunts! Merry Christmas and niio
I didn't know about this project. I am an old man now but we would burn over the fields every few years to keep out the weeds the cows shouldn't eat. I have also been thinking that this is why there are so many ticks in the fields. We don't control them with fire. (From Maine, In Vermont now)
Exactly. White Snake root being one of the native species that would poison both cows and people if this wasn't done! I didn't realize that burning was used by American agriculture!
Their is a massive restoration project underway involving hybrids. They are planting as we type...but the actual American Chestnut only survives in a few places!
Exactly!! I tell people that our area was an environment in flux or evolving from the time of the glacial retreat!! From tundra to taiga to coniferous through today's mixed hardwood. It's always been changing!
I had the honor of having this brilliant man as a history teacher
It was my honor to work with you James! Thank you though!!
Good stuff!
Subbed. I love the information and the MA bursts of yelling 😂. Great videos. You clearly have passion and it shows.
It's a Massachusetts thing... every once in a while you gotta just uncork and have at it....the preshah of livin' in da cradle of libahtee...where it's illegal ta blow off a firecracker!! It leads to inappropriate outbursts!!! Welcome aboard brother...and don't be a stranger!!
I stumbled upon Cronins book about 10 years ago and it really changed my views of the pre- European landscape.
This subject is one that I am passionate about and believe this subject should be of integral importance to contemporary environmentalists.
The concept of "girdling " trees has been oversimplified. I have personally experminted with this technique and it is much more difficult to kill diffuse porous hardwoods than believed.
You and me both! I've had to girdle them three times before they died...which is clearly inefficient and not what we would expect the Native People to do as they were maximizing their effort/payoff quotient. Maybe FIRE in conjunction with girdling would be more efficient? We need to experiment!
@@FishingHistoricPlaces
You very well may be onto something with the combination of fire it also occurs to me that time of the year may be more important than I have realized.
Let's keep experimenting!
I went to the UW Madison back in the 80's. I was taught that the NA regularly burned forest to produce more low level brows for deer and rabbits as well as to clear land for agriculture. Thanks for this content
Awesome. It's good to know that this is getting around. I bet your instructor read William Cronon.
Charles Mann 1491. A must read.
Indeed! A fantastic piece of work.
The history videos are a welcome addition. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks. I'll put one up every Sunday.
Excellent video! I've known about American Indians using fire to shape the forest environment but I didn't know it was extensive as illustrated here.
It's all over the primary sources, from descriptions of the woodland/ field environment through discussion of how to get them to stop "wasting" the land. Then there are the myriad of plants and animals that are fire or field "evolved" and now threatened because it's been a long time since fire has been allowed. Some states have begun controlled burns in hopes of stimulating these species to return. Thanks for watching!
@@FishingHistoricPlaces Great information. I'm learning a lot.
I took Native American history electives in High School. I was taught about the creation of deer hunting "alleys" or cleared lanes in the forest. Native Americans waited for deer to cross and graze these lanes while hunting. Has this been verified? If so, is there remaining evidence of where these hunting lanes where located?
@@riverbluevert7814 Native People hunted in a variety of ways. It wasn't about sport, but food...so we wouldn't consider what they did as necessarily kind or sporting. As far as lanes go, I use lanes when I bow hunt. It's a common practice and Native bows were nowhere near as powerful as ours so they had to get very close. Most of the Arrowheads that we find are really spear points thrown with an atl-atl...and lanes would have made using one of those more effective as well. My own lanes need to be cleared yearly and those used by the Native People are long gone...though finds of "points" chipped and damaged in a particular area might point to the bullseye of one!! Thanks for watching and commenting!!
@@FishingHistoricPlaces Thanks so much for the replies.
i love this channel!
Made my day!! Thanks. I'm trying to generate conversations around getting out in the world... history, natural history, fishing.... don't be a stranger and HAPPY 4TH!!
@@FishingHistoricPlaces happy fourth! im gonna watch your videos with my mom and hang out in her woods (Hudson Valley/Catskills) you have such dense juicy info im so impressed❤
@@elihyland4781 I'm heading out to Poland Ny next Friday for some Adirondack fishing, mushroom hunting, and history at Fort Stanwix and Oriskany. I've gotta hit the Catskills this summer too! Thanks for the kind words!
Great video. Got me to subscribe. Everything is connected to everything.
Thank you. I put out shorts every day and two longer vids weekly!
I love moccasins. We always added extra layers of leather as a sole because of thorn brush and chestnut burrs. In fall, there are rattler and copperhead babies and the heavy soles stopped them from biting into the foot.
I use moccasins to hunt...quiet, comfortable and traditional...but I'm glad there are no chestnut burrs around!
@@FishingHistoricPlaces Coming to a brush patch near you! I'm in Arizona, land of sunshine and cactus thorns. Get Apache boots, then. They use heavy layers of leather. My people are from Penna, and family states with joy, the chestnuts are back! Last time up that way, I went hiking and found a lot of burrs under a wild tree. I collected some and back home, had the pre-school grandkids thoroughly convinced they were porcupine eggs. niio
@@tsiharter6423 I'm part Natick myself and you've made my heart sing on this great day. I know they are trying to restore them with a hybrid but have really just started planting out here in the East!! I've apparently gotta get me some thicker soled moccs... quick like!!! Thanks for sharing that bit of Natural History!!!
@@FishingHistoricPlaces Hybrids yes, for fast retake of the forest biome. But, eventually pure American stock.
The tree I mentioned had to have been there for a lot of decades, and it had a lot of young ones already bearing in a narrow stripmine and surrounding colmn banks. Look forward to great deer and turkey hunts! Merry Christmas and niio
@@tsiharter6423 right back at you and thanks again;
I didn't know about this project. I am an old man now but we would burn over the fields every few years to keep out the weeds the cows shouldn't eat. I have also been thinking that this is why there are so many ticks in the fields. We don't control them with fire. (From Maine, In Vermont now)
Exactly. White Snake root being one of the native species that would poison both cows and people if this wasn't done! I didn't realize that burning was used by American agriculture!
How often do you need a controlled burn? Are the American chestnuts coming back?
Their is a massive restoration project underway involving hybrids. They are planting as we type...but the actual American Chestnut only survives in a few places!
thank you, I learned something
@@FishingHistoricPlaces
what was it like before the clovis people overran those already there?
Exactly!! I tell people that our area was an environment in flux or evolving from the time of the glacial retreat!! From tundra to taiga to coniferous through today's mixed hardwood. It's always been changing!