Doctor Who, this is not Cool
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2024
- Fans and the internet went beserk with an article claiming, "Doctor who is not just for straight white men." the phrasing and sour vibe in the article put so many people off. I'll be discussing why fans of Doctor Who are upset.
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They're saying we hate women but nearly every main character other than The Doctor is a woman and we still loved the show. They're saying we hate STRONG women but everyone loved River Song. They're saying we hate black characters but everyone loved Martha Jones. They're saying we hate queer characters but everyone loved Jack Harkness.
They're out of excuses and it's just laughable at this point.
En la cabeza!!!! People have been saying this but it's like they don't want to hear it!
@@neko7606 Not everyone liked everyone. I hated Mickey at first but towards the end I actually really liked him. I wasn't a huge fan of Rose for quite a while too, but now I think fondly of her time. Could be that the new stuff is just so bad that all of the old stuff looks phenomenal in comparison.
But generally speaking most people enjoyed those characters. It wasn't because of racism, sexism, or homophobia that people didn't like specific characters.
@@neko7606 I love River and Donna but hate Rose and Amy.
Not sure who the others are, but I stopped trying to keep up with Dr. Who releases after the summer of 2013
This discussion is so funny, because it really shows how subjective every character is and how it was difficult to find a universally hated character until recently. I didn't care for River because I hated the implications of her relationship with the doctor if you thought about it for 3 minutes. Rose is my personal favorite
They say we hate a woman or a black person being the Doctor... and yet we (read: I) absolutely LOVED Jo Martin's Doctor after only 5-10 minutes on screen and want more.
Doctor Who Producers and actors: "It's not made for you."
Me: "Okay, I'm not watching this."
Doctor Who Producers and actors: "RACIST."
Yeah what is this 2016?
@@magistersolis.3750 This trend only got worse as time went on
Noooo! You were supposed to bow down, lick their boot, and beg to be forgiven for being a disgusting bigot! You're doing this all wroooong!!!
I remember that's literally what your American media doing when Trump vs Hilary, "don't get me wrong, we not trying to influence your choice BUT just remember if you vote for that person you're giving power to despicable person, BUT DON'T GET ME WRONG" - Vox channel
I think since that, it's like enabling people to publicly hypocrite
It could also mean, that the show was never meant to be watched, but that it's just an ESG investment bait.
I've seen this tactic multiple times. They say "Sorry bigots, this isn't for you!" Then when the product doesn't do well, they'll get mad and say, "BIGOTS, THIS IS YOUR FAULT THAT THIS IS FAILING!"
Y'all called us "bigots" for not liking a new direction and told us that this is not for us. Yet get upset when we accept your terms and not watch?! And trust me, New Who is not doing all that well, so the next step is coming.
Yeah. They even have a term for that. They call it 'race baiting'. (which I guess also applies to whatever other - 'insert supposed opressed minority group') out there.
The thing is that those demographics that the work IS allegedly for, cant blame them not buying. That's the irony. Hate is blamed for Bros and Ghostbusters 2016 and The Marvels because blaming anyone else leads to uncomfortable issues. Only certain groups can be publicly be shamed and lambasted
@@jamesneese7663 Yes. That's why it's called 'race baiting'. Such a tactic can only work if it targets a certain group of people, while victimizing an other.
The original headline said "Doctor Who was never made for you" but the newspaper added the "just" when they realised they'd said the quiet part too loudly. Thought you might find that enlightening.
Funny enough Lucasfilm has been running the same playbook....and we saw how well that worked by Indiana Jones V...
@@jamesneese7663 thats disneyfilm nowdays....
"White men Doctor Who was never made for you."
It's literally British heritage... Same with Tolkien. Lord of the Rings was MADE to give England of the 1930's their own mythology unique to them.
I'm so tired of this, I really am.
I wouldn't have ANYTHING against Kenya jumping up and yelling. "We want to make our own Doctor who!" and then Kenya itself really makes something that is their own with a cast of Kenyans, that would be hilarious. I would actually watch that.
But this is so much pandering from an elite that really doesn't care, and it's not even about elevating black people it's just about demeaning white people, it's just hate and it is repulsive.
Exactly this. It was LITERALLY MADE for white European, particularly, British, people. It was LITERALLY MADE for them, by them. Telling them its "not made for them" is nonsensical. Taking the British audience out of the picture, it's not Doctor Who anymore. It's Doctor Why Bother?
You'll notice these Marxists are Anglophobic, anything related to Britain or England specifically they attack.
Orwell explained this because he'd been in their circles
.....notice how it says "never made JUST for you"?
Cultural appropriation only works in one direction. x)
Disney has it's paws all over Dr. What? There is nothing left here that is 'british'... it's been americanized. And not in a good way.
@keelanbarron928 you do know they changed the article right? It originally said "Sorry straight white men, doctor who wasn't made for you". But the backlash made them change it to this. Its still fucking dumb because it still pretty much was since it was made originally for British people by British people.
The OG Star Trek did inclusionary casting correctly. They cast diverse actors and put them in noteworthy positions as main characters, but they never sat around self-congratulating themselves for it during the story. And that's the difference. I loved when alien Abraham Lincoln showed up and was accidentally being out of date, and everyone laughed it off as a 'Yeah we don't care about that anymore,' with more confusion than offense. A world to actually strive for, rather than endless 'deconstructionism.'
Remember in the teen titans cartoon, the episode Troq? Where someone keeps shouting a slur at Starfire, and she says, and I quote, "there are things more important than my feelings."
Inclusion is literally just another word for racism against the group seen as the local majority, casting based on race (unless it is to match a source material) is literally just being racist. Pick the best people for any job, not some quota based on whether they have a tan.
I don’t get why modern writers can’t put a “diverse” character in a show without constantly patting themselves on the back for it. “Show don’t tell” Is like the first rule of writing fiction how did a whole generation of writers completely drop the ball on this?
Thats why old trek isn't 'woke' but new trek is.
The other problem is that the word woke had a whole different meaning in the 90s compared to 2018+
@@Njordin2010 Pretty shameful how words from the 20th century have become corrupted in the 21st century.
One thing filmmakers keep forgetting is that by making shitty versions of stories for "inclusivity" they're basically telling those groups they only deserve hand-me-down trash. Doesn't seem inclusive or empowering to me.
Precisely. Or pehaps, just as cynically (if not more), they're actually telling all of us that cheap, hand-me-down trash is all they're able to write.
Dr Who was envisioned as a CHILDRENS EDUCATIONAL show, specialising in Science and History...
Firstly, that was back in 1963. Secondly, even from way back in 1963 the show was always a sci-fi show, first and foremost. It was never a British version of Mr. Wizard, or Bill Nye the Science Guy science education shows. Yes, there were the occasional reference to the scientific method, appeals to rationality over superstition, but the science within the show has always been fictional.
@@New-tu3mn tell me your dumb in a long paragraph...
And it taught neither accurately. cry more. It is very obviously science fiction narrative.
@@no.9516 I did say go F!@# yourself but Yt protected you...
They certain "know" their audience.
I mean, drag queen story time in kinder garden and stuff, why are we surprised?
Actually I am surprised how Disney hasn't turn Mickey Mouse gay and Minnie into lesbian.
Imagine if some prog complained about some piece of media and you said "sorry *minority* this thing was never made for you" they would absolutely lose their sh!t
and if the creator of said piece said that, they would be crucified
@@Svper_Nova People tried to explain to feminists a decade ago that the reason comic books didn't reflect their values was that they weren't the target audience - feminists predictably lost their shit over it.
That would be based.
Caucasians ARE the minority, 7% and falling fast.
It is very significant that in the last decade especially we have allowed ourselves to accept the view that it is what is good for the minority not the majority that counts. Seems to me the opposite of democracy and I'm certain that is what lies behind this faux concern for minorities.
I'm stunned by the unhinged and unrelenting racism that keep coming from those folks who claim to be so tolerant and inclusive. It has reached ridiculous levels and keep getting worse.
@Silverbullet108
I wish they'd be honest about it, but I get why they can't be honest. Because they'd get destroyed for it.
the only way they know how to fight racism is by being racist because that's the only thing they know.
Can't ask a turtle to fly you know?
How about all you wackos stop using my community for your intra-racial pissing contests?
We don't care, we would like all of you to go away and not come back.
@@Nagalior Thank goodness they are not firefighters.
Diversity is nothing. People aren't crayons, don't choose them for their colors, choose them for their talent.
The original artical was titled "straight white men Dr Who was never made for you" then the news outlet or whatever it is lost over 100k subscribers in less than 24 hours. Metro i believe is their name if not mistaken. So they deleted their profile and restarted and changed it to "never made JUST for you" and act like nobody would notice.
Thanks for clarifying this. I've seen many comments about the lack of "just" from YTers, despite the headline. I suspected this was the case, because this is what they always do.
They also deleted their entire X account to try to evade further criticism
Dr. Who was a rare example of an intelligent hero for men. He wasn't big or brawny, he fixed things by using his brain. Now I'm being told that the majority of the male population aren't allowed to enjoy him because of their bedroom interaction and someone is trying to gaslight me into believing it has always been this way.
These actors need to start being made to sign clauses that expressly forbid them from doing any non-sanctioned discussion on the projects they are working on because even if this series had been good, he'd have killed it.
It makes me want to write some make role models in the same vein as classic doctor, maybe that's the way forward for my wannabe writer ambition if Ncuti etc al keep throwing away their audience
What does 'gaslight' mean? I see it a lot recently. Is it a new word? I've heard of gas lamps (a type of lantern). Not trying to start anything, honestly curious.
@@seanrosenau2088 It's when someone tries to manipulate you into believing something obviously untrue.
@@seanrosenau2088I half remember the term 'gaslighting' being derived from an old movie (perhaps 'gaslight' was the title?) where someone who was criticised tried to pretend that the critic was just crazy instead to shut down the criticism.
It is considered to be an abusive behaviour.
@@seanrosenau2088 As far as I am aware, term "gaslighting" comes from an old story where husband, wanting to drive his wife insane, intentionally lowered brightness in their home's gaslamps and when she complained about the gaslamp being dim husband claimed they do not even have one of those installed.
Husband done it until the wife questioned her own mind and went crazy.
For the restaurant analogy:
It's not like they revamped the menu. It's like they decided to go from Greek cuisine to Italian, only they went insane at the same time and their idea of Italian food is taking a steaming dump on a flatbread and serving it to you as pizza.
And then they started going around buying up all the other restaurants to do similar with, and those that won't sell, are taken down in other ways.
@@alchemystudiosink1894 That kind of reminds me of the 'Rings of Power' playbook we saw being used not too long ago. Would @M@Z¤N be lurking behind this project, by any chance??
Or, like the Texas Roadhouse (a steak house), suddenly decided to be vegan instead and now berates their customers for not liking the new menu and calling them some sort of "istaphobe" for it.
@@sarasunshinemt4444 "You were never a real fan of steak if you don't like our new plant-based, meat-shaped food brick!"
Besides we've always done Vegan options so this isn't new.
My son (we're brown/black...whatever) loved the sh*t out of Dr. Who growing up. He's 19 now. I recall buying him books, that wand gimmick, and the Tardis(I believe it's called). When the lady was a doctor, he watched ONE episode and I noticed I wasn't hearing that music anymore. I asked him what happened. Was it stull coming on or what? He said 'it's just not the same.' I left it at that. He said he didn't want to sound mean but the lady doctor wasn't for him. Whatever that meant🤷🏾♂️ To this day, he only watched the old episodes.
I always sigh a breath of relief when they say *straight* white males, knowing I'm still allowed an opinion. Then I remember that Bisexuals are just straight until they're in a same-sex realationship.
'90s Dennis Miller on bisexuals: "Gay. Straight. Pick a hole and stick with it. Stop being greedy!"
LGBTQ on bisexuals: "Gay. Straight. Pick a hole and stick with it. Stop being greedy!"
LGBTQ on pansexuals: "You can have any hole you want."
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My response is a character should not be a minority for the sake of being a minority. A person is more than just a member of the group they are part of.
As opposed to characters that are minorities for plot reasons? Like their arc being centered on their minority status? Frankly I'm torn.
Exactly
@@furrydbz No what I meant was that a character should be a person first and whatever minority they are second.
That's a very conservative, traditional position to take. We are far more Progressive now.
@JohnSmith-ux3tt Not really. We like to pretend we are progressive but if we really were we wouldn't be having most of these problems.
As a straight predominantly white guy... I dont care, there are more important things in my life then Doctor Who, I gave up on it like I did with Star Trek, Lord of the Rings and anything else that puts DEI above story telling.
GREAT AITEORI DOCTOR WHO BACKLASH HOLLYWOOD STUDIOS QUICK ATTACKING THE AUDIENCES AND FANBASE.
Well good thing that Rings of Power isn't canon to Lord of the Rings at all
Lord of the rings is fine, you can still enjoy it, just ignore Rings of Power, the Lord of the rings isn't owned by Amazon so your money isn't going to them.
As for Starwars I just watch the main movies, as far as I'm concerned everything made by Disney doesn't exist
Look man, I don't know about you, but I don't feel like I need to be represented. There is this dark side where it comes despite not even asking for it. While growing up, I hated feeling like I had to proclaim my race as an identity. Something about it always seemed off to me.
Edit: Punctuation fixed
I really don't know what is it with this hyper-sexualisation of family shows.
Wholesome romantic tension yes
Sweaty close up shots of a man in a dress isn't it...
My cousin was a die hard dr who fan and she couldnt convince herself to go through the jodi dr
oh damn
@@Alteorisrsly, we love you so much 😊❤
It's a shame that they wrote those seasons so poorly. Missed potential
Jodi was insufferable and the writers pushing narratives were even worse
And the entire canon re-write? Pathetic
The show died at that point. It's no longer Dr Who. It's now Dr Leftist Political-Narrative.
@@bjornskivids 👍
I'm not a white guy, but as a principle I avoid things that have articles written about it claiming straight white men can't watch it or 'why aren't straight white men watching blank?' Mainly because Straight white men have great taste in shows and movies, in my opinion
As a 'straight white man' myself (boy, do I hate using those kinds of terms), I would tell you that you display sound judgement, but I guess my opinion doesn't count.
When they tell me its not for me I believe them. Then they tell me I'm trash for not supporting them and their endeavours.
And that is when you should stop believing them.
Exactly how I feel about people who accuse others of cultural appropriation. Easiest example I can think of is from a few years ago where a young white girl (not even twelve) being sent home for having her hair in cornrows, apparently this upset her non-white schoolmates. I had to actually look this up because until that point I thought cornrows was a “beach hairstyle”, because if ever I watched a TV show centred around a beach locale half the cast, regardless of race, had cornrows.
This legitimately ticks me off because when people get bored of their complaints and say “fine, I’ll try something else” the same people who cried ‘cultural appropriation’ will then immediately cry “why don’t you want to share and love our culture???” Maybe because we already tried that and you had a conniption fit about it?
Let the babies have their bottle, just looking at all those small braids always gives me a phantom migraine 😒😒😒
I'm in the "straight, white male" category and knowing what a good actor Ncuti is from seeing other work he has done, I was VERY excited about the future of the show, not to mention how RTD (who had previously given us the amazing Tennant years) was back in the drivers seat, I was utterly shocked about how this surface-level storytelling (and how it's basically just sci-fi "it's a Sin" that RTD also made), and that is not really what Doctor Who is established to be.
Deep, story-driven escapism with occasions of social commentary. But resolving one of the biggest previous plotlines of Donna having the whole "metacrisis" thing, and yet that was resolved with not any sort of deep, emotional close... It was "You're a man, you wouldn't understand. We women can just choose to 'let go'..." LIKE WHAT?!?!
Using the restaurant analogy: If I own a restaurant that serves Steaks and BBQ. Then suddenly decide after 56 years that I’m switching to Chinese and Frozen Yogurt. That’s gonna cause a problem. You may like Chinese or Frozen Yogurt. But you don’t come to me for those things.
"aren't british people supposed to be classy?"
Every european watching this video burst out laughing at that line 🤣🤣
Are you European yourself?
For decades Doctor Who was made for anyone who enjoyed watching, and millions did. Now these narcissists want to take it away from the people who enjoyed it. That’s just wrong. It’s selfish, greedy and tacky. And it speaks volumes about their lack of character and lack of class. Taking something away from others and making it yours is stealing. That a crime and a violation of one of God’s commandments. And it’s selfish, greedy and tacky. These people are deplorable. Doctor Who will go broke just like everything else the narcissists steal while shows like Fallout (note Fallout has a female lead and minority characters) do well. Maybe one day the studios will get a clue.
Well that's it! Maybe the studios should re-make a new version of the film 'Clue' (which was based on the game), but switch the characters around to fit the current era. For example, instead of having Colonel Mustard & Ms. Peackock, you could have Sergeant Catch-up & Diva GoGoFlamingo, both of which would be drag queens. I'm sure it would be quite the smash-hit.
You not liking something does not equate to it being 'stolen' from you. whine more.
Hi, White dude here
I've been watching since like 2014, 11th was my first doctor. Watched he's era and started watching David and Capaldi era when it was coming out.
Ahh how I miss those does of being excited for new Who.
I even drudged through Jodie's era. I'm now slowly going through Classic, just started 4th
This isn't Doctor Who anymore! This is a bitter borderline sick old man gatekeeping his own previous work from his own fans.
I love the classic seasons I love Sarah jane and k9 spin of shows. It's such a shame they ruined the show for what? It will end up getting canceled 😞 and probably fir the best tbh
Want the best of Tom Baker? Watch Robot (for the beginning), The Pyramids of Mars, Genesis of the Daleks, Talons of Weng Chiang, Robots of Death, Horror at Fang Rock, Terror of the Zygons and Seeds of Doom. Pretty much anything Tom Baker is gold compared to today’s trash but these are my faves.
Hi, another white dude here
I've been watching since 2010
I have watched the entirety of New Who
This is still very much Doctor Who and it will continue to be whether or not you stick around
@@mjg1544 Robot was so good and tragic. Really felt for that poor thing
As a black man its not for us either 😂
They do this EVERY single time, and yet people still insist it isn't an intentional, collective effort.
I genuinely don't care if a show uses a diverse cast at all. What I care about is how it is handled. Captain Jack Harkness, and others, was a perfect example of how it should be done. but what's been going on, however.... is not. don't get me wrong, I love Doctor Who and will occasionally binge watch episodes before Jodi's episodes... but there are just some things that should be handled with finesse and not bland brute force.
some people: "no, we have to make Doctor Who more queer"
Captain Jack Harkness: "I was here ENTIRE TIME"
For crying out loud Harkness was so pan that internet even named a consent ability test after him.
I do not need more queer energy in Doctor Who... Harkness sucked up all of it from that universe into himself.
@@cola98765 did you make up that consent ability test being named after him? That wasn't a question meant to be rude. It's genuine surprise since this is the first time I heard of this.
Wish alteori didn't hide her whiny voice, it was adorable 😍 even if she couldn't see it 🙈
Russel T Davies was known in the first season for two things-getting the Daleks exactly, exactly right (he even regularised their ear flashes) and having a gay character randomly in each episode that did nothing but announce that they were a gay character. It added absolutely zero to the plot or characterization, just “We’ve only got eighteen minutes left to defuse the bomb!”
“Hi there, I’m gay.”
“Oh hello, nice to meet you. Anyway, we’ve only got seventeen minutes and thirty seconds left to defuse the bomb!”
@@Shalltear773 it’s called the harkness test
1: is its intelligence equal or greater than a human’s
2: can it easily communicate
3: is it of age for its species
It is quite a strange test, i first heard about it in the comments of a lost pause video a couple of days ago, talking about toriel.
This pretty much reminds me of the feminist author who said years ago, "If you don't like my politics, don't buy my book."
And upon learning that her book had sold a grand total of three copies (two of which were bought by the same person, which was her sister so she could give one to the author's niece), she was shocked.
"I had an upgrade" is something a cyberman would say, not the fucking doctor
Yep the doctor would have loved this. "Wait they're assuming I'm not me because I'm a woman?...excellent. Yes he's the doctor explain your problems to him I'll just go have a poke around and do woman things. The files are this way right."
I truly don't understand where entertainment companies got the idea that it is okay to bite the hand that feeds them.
they wouldnt made such a big deal about losing the 'bigots' if the thought of losing them wasnt terrifying.
since all else has failed to convince the vast majority of who fans, all they have left is trying to shame people into watching.
its a desperation move.
Why don't they just go after this new phantom audience they're trying to court? Oh wait, that's right, THEY DON'T CARE about Doctor Who, all the while they're driving off the people who do (or, at this point, used to) care
Desperation is a stinky cologne
they lose fan for changing the story by the timeless child sure the doctor can be a timeless child but you cant say him have many life before the first doctor just say they find the doctor by time hole maybe send from a unknow timeline is a timelord but him more powerful healing then other timelord and this can be why some timelord wnt the doctor to be the leader and other dont it just thy keep the fact hiden but no the added so much it make the classic doctor who pointless
there was better way to add timeless child stor without breaking the story
@helperdude8205 the better story for the Timeless Child has always been it being the Master. It explains why he always seems to come back and why the Timelord hierarchy treated him like their whipping boy. They used the Doctor too, but they did that because he always broke rules and they considered him a frag grenade of fuckery to throw at enemies. The Master they used as an actual tool, see the drumbeat thing Rassilon did.
first episode:
-half the doctor's lines are 'space babies!'
-the enemy is a literal booger monster.
-the babies just kind of lifelessly sit there while they have poorly animated mouths put over their faces most of the episode.
-they went out of their way to push a pro choice message when the lady talked about how terrible it is they couldnt just turn off the babies life support so she could use it all herself, while also pushing an 'every life matters' message with the booger monster.
-not to mention going out of their way to push a message about refugees by having them go to some other random planet when they could literally just land on the planet they are already orbiting, far as ive seen they never explain why they just cant land the broken spaceship on the home planet and instead have to go become refugees on this other one!
-the entire thing ends on a massive fart joke.
no, no but...its definitely the race/sexuality i didnt like, thats definitely my entire argument...thanks for listening just so closely rather than just arrogantly assuming your show is perfect and IM the problem. god these 'journalists' actors writers etc are so INFURIATING
I ... _hate_ them .
Hate to be that guy: They did explain why they couldn't land the Space Station: It wasn't designed to land, just orbit, so it couldn't exactly move much. The only reason they were even able to move it in the end was because they used the built up gasses from the nappies from the past 6 years
One of your major points is the pro choice aspect. Sounds like you’re mad because the show does not represent your political opinion
@c.s2193 if the show is just political messaging now then it's fallen. If you choose to alienate half your audience by pushing a pol narrative, you've failed.
@@c.s2193 No, it sounds more like he's making a sound critique of how blatantly & insufferably on-the-nose the cheap propaganda points are being pushed. And I say this as someone who's never even watched a single episode of this show, which was a purely casual fact about me. But now, I'll make it my *duty* NOT to.
Jack Harkness was basically an Omnisexual sidekick and nobody gave a damn. He was charismatic, interesting, a badass and he was just there. What made him special wasn't that he was willing and wanting to shag anything and everything animate or inanimate, but that he was an immortal intriguing character. Diversity always existed, yes. But it wasn't forced down our throat with piss poor writing and with partisan divisive and frequently hypocritical activism as the main point.
Edit: I wrote that midway through watching the video out of frustration from seeing their statement. I'd like to add that on a personal level, I'm glad I stopped watching after the Husbands of River Song. That had such a sweet ending that it felt like Doctor Who ended up a good final note. I'm perfectly fine with that ending of my time with Doctor Who.
Also, I suspect that these people are just frustrated because there's nothing left to fight for. Legally everyone has equal rights. Gay marriage has been legalized in more places. Progress has been steady for equality for all on a legal end and in regards to open doors to opportunity. And instead of focusing on raising the tide for everyone and ensuring that less people are in poverty and in suffering by bettering the economy, the standards of living of all, and focusing on the progress of technology. They moved to wanting to feel special because there were no more social causes to push for unless they made extravagant problems or blew issues way out of proportion, unknowingly creating more enemies for themselves and even reversing the progress that was made before them, all so they can proudly view themselves as martyrs and heroes despite being the leading cause for societal regression.
100%
Casually ignoring the uptick in hate crimes against lgbtq people in the past few years, the recent boycotts against companies by right wing bigots, and rollback of lgbtq rights in the US in various states.
My dad says this as well, people are just bored. Any issue becomes a trend with useful idiots jumping the wagon just to live our their heroic wet dreams. Good times breed weak people and so on and so on. What a wheel!
"Where are the black people in Shogun?"
A few thousand miles to the West
NEXT QUESTION!
They're in Ubisofts newest assasins creed game.
Dude I about choked on my drink 😂🤣
I'm gonna steal this
I appreciate you trying to defend the people hopefully one day future generations can just sit back and watch TV again instead of agendas
Ncuti Gatwa told everyone to "touch grass". So many people did. The 2.6 and 2.4 million viewing numbers for the first two episodes of this new season are the lowest for debuting episodes in Doctor Who's history, including the worst years of Classic Who. Now they're blaming the good weather for the low numbers.... because people went out and "touched grass" rather than watch this bloated, self-indulgent, shambling, undead corpse of a franchise.
I was actually picking dandelions for my chinchillas when he said that 😄
@@BackUp-nx2de Chinchilla! Who got the keys to ma beema! Sorry lol
Hartnell: An Unearthly Child - 4.4m overnight viewers
Troughton: The Power of the Daleks: Part One - 7.9m overnight viewers
Pertwee: Spearhead From Space: Part One - 8.4m overnight viewers
Baker: Robot: Part One - 10.8m overnight viewers
Davidson: Castrovalva: Part One - 9.10m overnight viewers
Baker: The Twin Dilemma: Part One - 7.6m overnight viewers
McCoy: Time and the Rani: Part One - 5.1m overnight viewers
McGann: TV movie - 9.08m viewers
Eccleston: Rose - 10.81m overnight viewers
Tennant: The Christmas Invasion - 9.84m overnight viewers
Smith: The Eleventh Hour - 10.08m overnight viewers
Capaldi: Deep Breath - 9.17m overnight viewers
Whittaker: The Woman Who Fell to Earth - 10.96m overnight viewers
Gatwa: The Church on Ruby Road - 4.73m overnight viewers
The only reason Hartnell got low viewer numbers was because it debuted late after news of JFK's assassination.
"The numbers that were released reflect only the overnight viewers on BBC One and do not include streaming viewers, which means that they are incomplete."
There's multiple places to watch Doctor Who now, so only relying on one source is disingenuous at best
The mental gymnastics are pure gold though. SNL can't come up with material this comedic....
That's a good point.
I literally never seen "straight white men" declare that they own certain space/series. Atleast not that I'm aware of.
Gotta love how at the start of the article they're like "Dr. Who has always been diverse™" and then at the end "Dr. Who needs more diversity!"
You made me think of a better way to put the restaurant analogy.
It’s like when you go to your favourite restaurant but there’s a new policy where they spit in your food and whenever you ask why or express your displeasure they just get mad and tell you you’re not welcome anymore.
They wouldn't want to admit it but the shows back in the 90s and early 2000s were pretty diverse... They just didn't beat you over the head with DIVERSITY™ and insult you if you didn't publicly applaud their stunning and braveness.
Absolutely, my childhood was filled with diversity and none of it was tokenism. All of it is tokenism now, it's grim.
The first episode of Dr Who I saw was the "Are you my mommy" episode. Man did that set a tone
it did, it did. It blended horror and comedy quite well with the gas mask zombies only being able to say that one question. The scene where the doctor turns into one was quite jarring Then the comedy with how the doctor was able to get the zombies to back off by telling them. "GO TO YOUR ROOM!" "those would be horrible last words." Then the emotion beats where the doctor finds out this was all because a kid was caught in an accident and the nanobots just wanted to help, but they didn't know what they were working with. So the final thought with the kid just wanting to find his mother being set as the prime motive for the zombies. With the doctor happy, probably the happiest he's been in a long time because no one died, "EVERYONE LIVES!"
now we got booger monsters.
Lucky. My first was "The Idiot's Lantern".
@@bplionel2 I was fortunate enough to start off with the pilot of the new series. The idea of dummies coming to life, plastic Ricky, and the trash can were all fun to watch.
Okay, fine. We can’t drink at your water fountain. Congratulations on your progress.
I’m saving this for when these bigots gate keep something else I like.
Yes literally bringing back segregation full force
I am the perfect person to answer all the doctor who creator since I am not white man but a person of color with diverse heritage and to them I will say 'Doctor Who is Shite now and you can't play the race card to save it"
I started watching Dr. Who because its story is what's pulled me in and for the characters I stayed but them destroying absolutely everything with passing time made me sad.
As a (straight-white) british person i couldnt care less about it expecially now that its dismissing criticism and not taking it on-board
That other comment was supposed to go on a different video have no clue how it got posted here
@@kingnukeomega I notice this when clicking on a short in the recommended while you have a video on pause in the background. It ends up on the background video instead. It's annoying, and makes me feel like a spammer.
When a inch turns into a mile and they still say it isn't enough 🤷🚩
@@acemax1124 I guess it ain't their fault if inches all suddenly began to identify as miles at the same time, and demanding equal treatment & social status as their longer counterparts.
I really don't know what is it with this hyper-sexualisation of family shows.
Wholesome romantic tension yes
Sweaty close up shots of a man in a dress isn't it...
Doctor club kid, who brags about getting snowmanned
I posted this on Midnight Edge's coverage of this "article," and I'mma post it here:
Article headline:"Sorry straight white men. Doctor Who was never made for you."
Me, a straight black man who's been a Doctor Who fan since 2011:"Da fuq? So who was it made for?"
Not a whovian myself but there was a time when Twitch hosted a Doctor Who marathon on live stream and I watched Old Who with a community of viewers. I remembered how British the show was. The third doctor drove this cool classic car named Betsy or something like that. It was a great memory.
Same I remember that!!
It's ok. They can keep it. Life is good as a straight white guy, can't complain. I know they will keep doing it.
I swear these people think "Gay" is a personality and "Black" is a character trait.
"Why is everyone so focused on my race and sexuality?" said the first Black Gay Doctor.
_We're_ not focused on it. _You_ are focused on it. WTF else are we supposed to focus on? You haven't given us anything else! If you take away his "Black" and his "Gay", what kind of man is left? Set all that aside, Who are you?
You should be able to answer that. If you don't have an answer for that... you should be able to answer that.
Doctor Who is another example that things can't or shouldn't live forever. I rather have things end then become a shell of it's former self shambling along.
I don't know, I feel like Doctor Who is one of the only things that should carry on, maybe it's because there have been 60 years of stories, a lot of hits and misses with potential still there for more stories.
The Simpsons come to mind. What a travesty.
they sure have trash the timeless child or change it just m pov as it just stuck changing the story now look the magic being addd to the world that ok as there have been many magic ep in the classic point one toy maker point to gods so magic in this new season i ok with as long they remember sci fi too and why they think using bay poop to move a spaceship is dumb the tardis can easy move it
I'm one of the few who agree with this, sometimes it's just best to end things.
@@indiajohnson i dont think t sure end just remove the evil that new writer added wit the timeless child it fuck the full show
The most hilarious part about that article is that they didn't have the "just for you" in the original article title. The writer boldly and honestly stated, "...not for you." The clean-up added in that "just" because the fallout was that catastrophic.
The whole thing looks exactly like how the central Ood brain was being caged off and tortured.
The "woke" people, they don't hear the song.
This is some next-level “I’m special” reality head-canon lmao.
I’ve had an upgrade if that’s not sexist I don’t know what it is
When Jodie was announced for the Doctor I optimistically embraced her. Even got a sketch a friend drew for me as proof. And that was after I felt they fumbled Capaldi's era, but I was interested still.
Then their attitude towards the fans was revealed and the show itself.
Doctor Who is another casualty of 'Just because you can, it doesn't mean you should'.
When shows are made for everyone, and happens to have white men, they say this.
When it's black men, like Blade or T'challa or Spawn or Morpheus or whoever... it's just a story for everyone.
i think the doctor make for everone as doctor who can change into man women black white it dont matter it just after the timeless child story they lose a big amount of fan it because it make no sense and break the story and i ok with magic being added because it was in the classic the toy maker and god but they trying to hard to make point magic is now real and if they did use baby poop to shot the spaceship to the other world how will it stop wil it just hit that world they sure have use the doctor tardis to move it it fast easy and i think it been done before i dont remember the ep but i think the doctor was holding the world into place so Dalek cant take it or something
So I won't BS this, 'cause I'm trying to be more honest. I can say I don't mind proper (sexual) representation, but some part of me is NEVER going to be on-board with it. For 2 reasons:
1. A part of them is right: that kind of character/story isn't for me. BUT that leads to #2, the much more important issue: How am I supposed to enjoy a story that was created for the purpose of spiting my entire existence? No, I don't hate unconventional characters, opposite actually, but a relationship, ESPECIALLY a healthy one, is a two-way street.
How did we get to this point? Where companies view their consumers as the enemy? Is it pride? Are they so self-absorbed that they truly believe that they are perfect in every way, and that any notion to the contrary is a personal attack that must be quashed and vilified?
When the coffers eventually run dry and no one is left to support them, will they reflect upon the path they took that led to this outcome? Or will they once again throw blame upon those they deemed the enemy for daring to have an opinion that failed to perfectly align with their own?
Only time will tell.
Ya. We're calling the show "Nurse What" from now on. Which probably won't be long giving the reception of the first episode.
That's the perfect analogy for the title... well done
NURSE!
HELLOOOOO NURSE!
There will always be "so much more to be done". If they ever accept the win, then they would have to stop preaching
Old Doctor Who diversity: "Hi I'm a lizard alien lady. And this is my wife. We hunt bad guys."
"Oh, neat. There's killer aliens after us, any chance you can help?"
"Gladly!"
Current DW diversity: "I'm GAY! And nothing you can do will stop me from being my authentic GAY SELF!!"
"I'm sorry, what does that have to do with-"
"CALL ME THEY!! I'M A THEM!!! I'm going to defeat this BIGOT alien with twerking!!"
I love Ncuti Gatwa as an actor and I honestly was pleasantly surprised when he was announced as the next doctor who and when I saw Yasmin Finney is also in this show I was so happy but the way the media is presenting this show and being slightly racist towards white people and harsh towards cisgender people is leaving a sour taste in my mouth 😬 (and I’m non-binary and have noticed this)
This show was never made for ‘straight white men’ it was to tell a sci-fi story of an immortal time lord alien dealing with other aliens and I remember watching it with my sisters growing up, not once did I feel it was made for straight white men.
It’s definitely sad that nowadays shows are trading in good storytelling for tokenism 😢
Russell T Davies didn't like kiddie fiddlers being outed, not sus at all.
LGBT used to also include NAMBLA (they marched together all the time in the 80-90's) and other child predator groups, until the smarter gays tried to distance them from the movement in the late 90's when gay rights started becoming more mainstream. I'm not shocked the child predators have stopped hiding again, it's the obvious next step in the culture war on normalcy.
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huuuuuuuuuuuhh?????
@@Alteori He's been complaining about "Baby Reindeer" on Netflix being too obvious at outing pdfiles.
Excuse me?
Alteori, you really shouldn't give these people the benefit of the doubt the journalist definitely believe in what they are saying the golden rule of entertainment doesn't apply to them anymore its just about spreading a message
She referred to what they do to our favorite IPs as "shitting on our chest". Got my sub 😆 🤣
Don't tell me these woke crowds are all into 'scato' as well.. can't say I'd be too surprised though.
My gracious, you have no idea how happy I am that someone finally addressed the “person of color” crap. I HATE that term. I’m African-American; not “colored”. Jeez, I know the American school system likes to skim through black history, but have we really forgotten where that term came from.
Race swapping, gender swapping and sexual preference swapping of existing characters is where this anger stems from, It started with the all new all different Marvel and culminated in Ghostbusters 2016, the a swathe of movie where male actors are replaced with female characters.
And lots of gay ¶¤RN apparently.
@@rigelb9025 nah that's you looking that stuff up
@@gachamansama3703 I never have. Not even once.
Ms.Frizzle would have made a great Doctor
they shoud have left identity politics out of it.
As a straight, white guy, I know for a fact that there are way more types of people who loved Doctor Who over the 60 years it's been around. Hell, my best friend is gay and I know for a fact that he hates being pandered to. He hated what Iceman has become in recent years. He said the change in Iceman's sexuality could have worked if they actually wrote it in a way that made sense and didn't have Iceman do a complete 180 on who he used to be. Pandering to a smaller audience and disregarding the original audience has never gone over well for any company or entertainment I.P.
I started watching Doctor Who with my best friend back in 2012. The "Blink" episode. After that, we watched up until the 50th anniversary. I decided to watch the classic series and finished it in about a year and a half. I became deeply ingrained in the show and the lore. I gave up on Doctor Who during Jodie Whitaker's era, because everything was so boring and lame. And when I found out that they completely retconned the Doctor's backstory, I knew the show will never be the same again. The Timeless Children made irreparable damage to the show and now, it's just like almost every other franchise that I've grown to love throughout my life. Star Wars, Marvel, Star Trek, Disney, etc. All of them decided to put representation front and center and not good storytelling
good friend, pandering is lame.
Dr who?,more like dr who asked
Agreed
Dr. Who-Asked-For-This
Dr who asked
Dr who’s idea was this
Dr who approved this
Dr who is it for
Dr no
Doctor who-keeps-killing-my-childhood
I remember hearing Brazil got really mad when Iñaki Godoy got cast as Luffy instead of a Brazillian like Oda at one point said he was meant to be. Then Iñaki came out on Twitter and just said "hey, sorry you didn't get who you asked for, but I hope you give me a chance, I love Brazil" and they almost immediately grew to love him.
It's funny how just a LITTLE bit of common decency goes a long way to getting an audience.
Such a world of difference between that and how the doctor who cast are handling this.
D.E.I IS AND WILL BE THE END OF TV SHOW'S And MOVIE'S I'M SO HAPPY I HAVE A FULL LIBRARY IN MY HOUSE OF BOOKS AND DVDS TO LAST ME TILL I NO LONGER EXIST SO IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER TO ME WHAT ANYONE DOES ANYMORE.
"I had an upgrade"
They could have gone with "I thought I'd try something different this time" or "It does you good to change things up once in a while" or something, but noooo.
I liked how they made the evil monster a they/them
How dare they. What if these/those monster doesn't identify as 'evil'.
Rule 1:
Dont attack your Customers.
-We will fight back when threatened.
Alteori, I love you to bits, but I also love it when you rant 😂
I walked away from Doctor Who a long time ago so it's no major issue for me.
"Saying dr Who is torn apart by woke ideolouges is a conspiracy theory".
Meanwhile, every person on the production team: "I'm an activist!"
"As soon as I saw this black man dancing for my entertainment I knew the show was for me" is a hell of a take.
It is nice to hear a woman say exactly what I, I straight white man, have been saying about Doctor Who all along since the first Jodi series. I have dated lots of women who loved sci-fi, Star Trek, Star Wars and Doctor Who included. I think you are right and that modern Doctor Who might actually have more female fans than male. I went to a Doctor Who party about ten years ago with even some of the guys who do the voice acting for the Doctor Who audio books present and there were a lot of women there, not just men. I never thought about the two actors who played The Mistress and The Master recently as playing The Doctor, you are right, they would have both been excellent to cast as the actual Doctor. Missy would have been way better than Jodi, and the South Asian Master would have made a great version of The Doctor. It is not the race or gender or sexual preference of the actor that makes the show, it is how they portray the character and how good the writing is. This current series seems like an adults only late night comedy parody play version of Doctor Who that you see as a live show put on by drag queens, not actually Doctor Who. I never even noticed that kiss from Captain Jack until you pointed it out because it fit so naturally in with the characters and the show. I even enjoyed watching the entire Torchwood series featuring Jack, because it was good and not about virtue signaling, just about having well-written characters and good stories.
As someone who has never seen a single episode of doctor who i dont know why i keep watching videos about it.
Soooo many times now..
"Hey this is cool, may I join in on this cool thing?"
"sure thing!"
"hmm, ima change this"
"uh..that ruins some parts but ok."
"what are you doing here? this isnt for you anymore"
They really need to get some adults in charge of talking to the public.
Funny how no one ever mentions straight black men considering we make fun of gay people all the time😂
Black men everywhere : 🙄🙄🙄
Black gay men
it doesn't mater the bbc gets payed no matter the views through tv licencing
The largest financial contributors to the television license fee are white heterosexual men…
It's time to stop that.
Isn't this what happened to "Bros"? They advertised it as a movie "not for straight people", and nobody (as in not even gay people) saw it!
Alteori I randomly stumbled across you just a few months ago. I gotta say, i do generally appreciate your way of detailing amd explaining things behind the arguments.
18:54, Missy was hands down my favorite iteration of the Master. She was just so bat shyte crazy you couldn't help but be captivated by her.
No longer "Doctor who".
Its now "Doctor what"
Doctor They/Them
Doctor Cancellation
Doctor who was not "made" for any particular race or demographic in fact the only set of people I can think of that the original show was made for was the average family in the United Kingdom.
I love how the more vocal these supposed "inclusive" minded people are is actually the more divisive they seem to be.
Over the years Doctor who has drawn in fans from all over and has never pointed to and ridiculed its fans but here we are.
I completely agree that echo chambers on living in bubbles has seriously limited common sense and critical thinking.
In fact Russell t Davis is a classic example because he helped to bring back Doctor who with some excellent writing and presentations and here we are with him echo chambering and bubbleizing himself into a version of himself that only a fraction of a percentage of the original fans want around anymore.
Some people may have a problem with the doctor being black or gay or both but I can bet the majority of people are more concerned about the actual content of the episodes and the quality of the writing.
Hitting people over the head with what you think they should be thinking and what you think they should believe is not as effective as doing it in more intelligent subtle ways.
It's just lazy writing and that is what people are mainly upset about.
Lastly why the hell is a family show talking about its main character being snowmaned?
A peice of advice i got from a cult leader "treat your first followers as equals and they will be your most loyal."
my nephew who is a si-fi geek and also mixed race and limp wristed cannot stand it either, apart from being woke it is also crap and insulting to all walks of life.
Let this show die let the writers never find a work again and let this be the end of every single actors career. I could not believe the crap Catherine Tait said to David Tennant's Doctor. How do these show producers live with themselves with constantly attacking the very people that let them have a job.
One issue with race and region of the world is when you go back six hundred or more years people did not travel thousands of miles.
The show used to explore ideas. That's the real difference between old shows (including stuff like Star Trek, and other properties, not just Doctor Who) and modern shows. They used to explore an idea, some social, science fiction, or political concept, or all three at once. But today they don't explore ideas, they shove them in as a statement, with no subtlety. Or worse, they create a strawman version of the idea (especially politics) and then attack that strawman the whole episode, treating them as "wrong" by default, regardless of how the story actually plays out, or how far from the actual concept their strawman version actually ends up.
For example, an early Star Trek episode has a plot built around the Federation and Klingon Empire arming primitives on a planet to fight a proxy war, that is clearly an allegory for the Vietnam War. But this allegory isn't just stated outright by characters, its actually incorporated into the story, into the plot of the episode, showing how the Federation deals with this escalation of the conflict and how it effects the people of the planet, like Kirk's friend, what it might mean for the Neutral Zone geopolitics, etc. It's something used to explore the idea of proxy wars in the context of Star Trek's universe, and largely leaves it up to the viewer to draw the parallels instead of having characters outright stating "this is just like Vietnam, wink wink".
A modern episode of Doctor Who, on the other hand, has a Trump-stand-in character introduced purely as a strawman to knock around because the writers/showrunners hate real-life Trump, so everything he says and does is treated as wrong and horrible. Even though in the context of the situation on screen, the character is actually correct. Shooting giant spiders is absolutely justified, and ultimately way more humane than the Doctor's horrifying plan to starve them to death over months (and the more you know about spiders, and how cannibalistic they are, the worse the Doctor comes off as here). They even mention Trump by name, just to really make sure the idiot audience doesn't somehow miss the messaging.
Nothing about the character is actually fitting with real-life Trump, or his politics, or his policies, probably because the writers don't actually know any of that and they never use the character to actually address anything but a very lame British-centric stereotype of Americans, to push some vague anti-gun message (that again, does not fit with the situation they are in), solely because they view the Doctor as an anti-gun character, regardless of actual canon of the show.
That's what really bothers people about modern "Woke" productions like this. All of these shows that supposedly "were always political" weren't superficially political, or superficially progressive in the past. It's true they were often left-leaning in tone, but they also used to take these "progressive" ideas and use them as a basic frame for a more interesting story. The "message" was secondary, and subtle, and incorporated into the story they were trying to tell. Today the story is irrelevant, and often contradictory to past canon, simply because the modern writers care more about pushing the very in-your-face message than in writing something compelling and interesting. Or fun.
Just found the channel. Love it. It's about the story most of all. Instant sub. I look forward to more content.
Wow, long time since I saw an Alteori Dr Who video. Nice to see you're still in the game