Great Comment. There are some newel fasteners on the market that does just that. We believe this method is stronger though. The 1/2" lag going down into the framing and the 4 screws really makes its strong. Of course blocking should be used where needed. The other side of the main center bolt goes up 5" that applies the downward pressure. The head itself has been tested for pull out . We have several nice emails from people who actually purchased and used the product. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Dave
From the point under the 1/4" thick mounting plate the lag portion extends 5-1/4". So the fastener has 5 connection points to the deck. 4- 4" long Torx type of screws , and the center lag. The lag also has a machine type thread in the center that screws into that plate.
I love the ingenious simplicity of your Zipbolt system✌👍. I'm wondering if it can be used on a concrete floor ( front door steps and walkway-- to build hand railings for an elderly person. Your reply would be greatly appreciated.
Interesting idea, but as some have pointed out, this concept highly resembles IKEA furniture hardware, but on a larger scale, specifically at the point of where the center is tied in. In addition to this, I don't see a rating anywhere on the description of the product. Is it rated for 50 pounds? 500 pounds? Vertical/horizontal force? Further, the fasteners are described as having a "baked on" acrylic for ultimate protection; why not stainless? Galvanized? Are these rated for treater lumber? Won't the acrylic strip off during installation? I seriously doubt the integrity of this product, given these factors. Andy where are they manufactured again?
Actually the gear mechanism is much different in size and strength of anything IKEA is using. They do a great job also. The product is manufactured in Taiwan. That company manufactures the entire line. Zipbolt has the patent for the gear head. The screws are galvanized. The rest is steel with double coat of epoxy baked on the product. If you search the internet, other companies use a very similar process against corrosion. All the epoxy parts were salt spray tested for corrosion. Zipbolts gear head itself has had the head tested for pull out and it passed easily far exceeding 200 lbs. There isn't any testing data that has been done in the US. But I did some in crude testing in out shop. But it is not the data I believe you are talking about, sorry. We helped introduce this product along with a few other companies. I can say that we have sold thousands of these without a single return. It does not sound like you have tried it yet and making some assumptions from watching the videos. Buy one, try it, and we welcome your feedback. Thank you for your interest.
Doesn't look very strong if someone leans on the post, compared to the conventional way of extending the post below the decking and making it really secure.
Of course running the newel through the deck is very sturdy. It is not meant to replace the structural corners. But it works great on remodels and intermediate newels best. Feel free to call us at 508-235-4397 if you have any questions. Thank you.
@@CooperStairworks Well, yes it would be very sturdy running through the deck, as you mentioned. I wasn't talking about that part. I was referring to the minimal amount that the one metal piece goes up into the post. Someone could easily break that post off by applying force to it.
@@JM-nh8yp There has not been any formal testing on this fastener that I know of. The design was based on something similar. But I did surface mount a newel on a deck. I then used a winch and a scale and applied 260 lbs of pressure. At that point the weakest part (decking) started to be dented and allowed it to dig in. It did not break, or pull out. It leaned over. The “gear head pull out” was tested at the factory though. The treads on the head held firm and so did the gears in the gear head. It snapped at 849 lbs of pressure (tip of bolt with gear head) which is an incredible amount of pressure. Far exceeding the 200 lb lateral load. I hope this helps.
@@CooperStairworks Ok. Thanks for the info. That sounds right, since I was most concerned about the decking giving way, (not the bolt). Its obviously not as strong as a conventional post, since this post is not attached to the support beams underneath. I would be ok with it on a lower deck. I'd be more concerned with an elevated deck. But it's a convenient system for the right application.
Putting the post under deck is a big termite water disaster waiting to happen I would rather lean on the deck this kind of way and they have termites and water break apart your post at least this way no bugs am water putting a post thew is a killer scenario
Adel, thanks for your message. I have never used a shield to secure the main lag but I am pretty sure it could work. Then some concrete screws could be also put in place of the screws provided. Again, I am just thinking out loud about this application. It should be tested before doing the entire project. Dave
Hi Lisa, I have never tried that. It does seem like it could be done but you would need to figure out the different way it would be installed. You could buy one and try it. Not sure how many you were thinking of doing. Feel free to call us at 508-235-4397 to discuss your project. Thank you.
4 it is designed for 4 to meet load that is exerted on newel and rails. Do not use 2. Please give us a call at 508-235-4397 with any questions. Thank you.
Yes, but you would have to change the connection. I would suggest a shield or chemical anchor. Only wood screws are provided. Give us a call at 508-235-4397 if you need further assistance. Thank you.
Yes, if itvis larger than the 3-1/2" plate. It would need to be recessed into bottom of newel. It is not a normal application for this model but it should work.
I think the zipbolt method is pretty awesome. It's not only fastened down from above, but also provides a riser plate and separation of the bottom of the post to deck contact (hence, helping to eliminate water absorption issues and premature deterioration and stability of the post).
Know what works better and requires no expensive bracket and doesn't fuck yourself when you go to replace decking. Just frame the damn post into the frame and block it in and notch the decking around it...
Matt, there are all different types of post fasteners on the market. If it was new deck construction and you have the opportunity to extend the newels on the deck you are 100% correct. It would be very strong clean and neat. But I have seen them used several different ways. "Filling in between two structural posts for example" or a deck remodel that the newels that hold the deck up are in good shape but what is sticking above is not. Your message does not mention if you actually tried the XT Anchor. Give it a shot the next time and it may be just right for situations I have described. Thank You
@@davidsilvia8467 I almost always will frame the post into the deck or shoulder cut a 6"x6" post and use a simpson bracket specifically for doing just that and tie it back into the frame on the inside and bolt it up. Handrail isn't something to mess around with it has to be STRONG.
These gizmos are basically a $50 log splitter. No structural integrity with the deck frame whatsoever. With "Zipbolts any substantial lateral load will "zip" these posts right down the middle.
Thanks for your comments. To date we have not had anything like happen to what you have described. Have you tried them? We have been selling thousands of them for years . We are always looking to improve and I will share your thoughts with the manufacturer . Thanks again
@@davidsilvia8467 I Cannot believe this will resist a 300-pound uniform load or a 500-pound point load.of LATERAL force applied to the top of the 36 inch post. That is the current International Residential code requirement.
Hi, thanks for your feedback. Not sure if you ever used the product but Ikea does not carry this product of any of the ZIPBOLT products. This patented product and to my knowledge has not been copied. You can see more or the ZIPBOLT products at www.zipbolt.com.au It has been a good product for us.
@@davidsilvia8467 And if there is only a "contact us" option without listed pricing.. they've not taken off, only sell commercially, and highly over priced for a DIY.
The resistance to lateral force, with this device, is NO GREATER than the screws ability to hold in the 5/4 deck board within the post's footprint.. In other words, this is about as strong as toe nailing into the surface of your deck and expecting it to hold against the mechanical advantage of a 36 inch lever at 200 pounds. If you are not through bolting into the rim joist, structural joists and blocking with 1/2 inch nuts washers and bolts you will never achieve code standards of 200 pounds of lateral force. Don't be stupid. These gizmos are a waste of money. Invest in 1/2 inch through bolts and longer posts that connect to the deck's frame structure if you really want to pass an IRC code test
Ha ha Imagine doing that much precision drilling and work for every post. Then someone leans heavily on it so you have to drill out the timber plug you've glued in to just tighten it up? Sorry but it's over engineered bullsht.
Great Comment. There are some newel fasteners on the market that does just that. We believe this method is stronger though. The 1/2" lag going down into the framing and the 4 screws really
makes its strong. Of course blocking should be used where needed. The other side of the main center bolt goes up 5" that applies the downward pressure. The head itself has been tested for pull out . We have several nice emails from people who actually purchased and used the product. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Dave
From the point under the 1/4" thick mounting plate the lag portion extends 5-1/4". So the fastener has 5 connection points to the deck. 4- 4" long Torx type of screws , and the center lag. The lag also has a machine type thread in the center that screws into that plate.
Nice video. Great without any annoying music.
Thanks!
This video is great for deaf people
What? 😂
Home Depot sells a similar idea to install an interior newel post for stair railing. Not exactly the same but in principal.
Genius !!!
A very beautiful system ✌👍👍
Glad you like it Adel!
Beautiful?... perhaps.
Structurally sound? ...Not at all.
I love the ingenious simplicity of your Zipbolt system✌👍. I'm wondering if it can be used on a concrete floor ( front door steps and walkway-- to build hand railings for an elderly person. Your reply would be greatly appreciated.
Interesting idea, but as some have pointed out, this concept highly resembles IKEA furniture hardware, but on a larger scale, specifically at the point of where the center is tied in. In addition to this, I don't see a rating anywhere on the description of the product. Is it rated for 50 pounds? 500 pounds? Vertical/horizontal force? Further, the fasteners are described as having a "baked on" acrylic for ultimate protection; why not stainless? Galvanized? Are these rated for treater lumber? Won't the acrylic strip off during installation? I seriously doubt the integrity of this product, given these factors. Andy where are they manufactured again?
Actually the gear mechanism is much different in size and strength of anything IKEA is using. They do a great job also.
The product is manufactured in Taiwan. That company manufactures the entire line. Zipbolt has the patent for the gear head.
The screws are galvanized. The rest is steel with double coat of epoxy baked on the product. If you search the internet, other companies use a very similar process against corrosion. All the epoxy parts were salt spray tested for corrosion. Zipbolts gear head itself has had the head tested for pull out and it passed easily far exceeding 200 lbs.
There isn't any testing data that has been done in the US. But I did some in crude testing in out shop. But it is not the data I believe you are talking about, sorry.
We helped introduce this product along with a few other companies. I can say that we have sold thousands of these without a single return. It does not sound like you have tried it yet and making some assumptions from watching the videos. Buy one, try it, and we welcome your feedback. Thank you for your interest.
Doesn't look very strong if someone leans on the post, compared to the conventional way of extending the post below the decking and making it really secure.
Of course running the newel through the deck is very sturdy. It is not meant to replace the structural corners. But it works great on remodels and intermediate newels best. Feel free to call us at 508-235-4397 if you have any questions. Thank you.
@@CooperStairworks Well, yes it would be very sturdy running through the deck, as you mentioned. I wasn't talking about that part. I was referring to the minimal amount that the one metal piece goes up into the post. Someone could easily break that post off by applying force to it.
@@JM-nh8yp There has not been any formal testing on this fastener that I know of. The design was based on something similar. But I did surface mount a newel on a deck. I then used a winch and a scale and applied 260 lbs of pressure. At that point the weakest part (decking) started to be dented and allowed it to dig in. It did not break, or pull out. It leaned over. The “gear head pull out” was tested at the factory though. The treads on the head held firm and so did the gears in the gear head. It snapped at 849 lbs of pressure (tip of bolt with gear head) which is an incredible amount of pressure. Far exceeding the 200 lb lateral load. I hope this helps.
@@CooperStairworks Ok. Thanks for the info. That sounds right, since I was most concerned about the decking giving way, (not the bolt). Its obviously not as strong as a conventional post, since this post is not attached to the support beams underneath. I would be ok with it on a lower deck. I'd be more concerned with an elevated deck. But it's a convenient system for the right application.
Putting the post under deck is a big termite water disaster waiting to happen I would rather lean on the deck this kind of way and they have termites and water break apart your post at least this way no bugs am water putting a post thew is a killer scenario
Adel, thanks for your message. I have never used a shield to secure the main lag but I am pretty sure it could work. Then some concrete screws could be also put in place of the screws provided. Again, I am just thinking out loud about this application. It should be tested before doing the entire project. Dave
Could you use this to attach a 4x4 vertically on top of another 4x4?
Hi Lisa, I have never tried that. It does seem like it could be done but you would need to figure out the different way it would be installed. You could buy one and try it. Not sure how many you were thinking of doing. Feel free to call us at 508-235-4397 to discuss your project. Thank you.
Can I use only two screw OR have to be 4,why? Thanks
4 it is designed for 4 to meet load that is exerted on newel and rails.
Do not use 2. Please give us a call at 508-235-4397 with any questions. Thank you.
If your a tight arse use 2, and if you want it to totally fail try using one👍
Can these be utilized for securing this to concrete pad?
Yes, but you would have to change the connection. I would suggest a shield or chemical anchor. Only wood screws are provided. Give us a call at 508-235-4397 if you need further assistance. Thank you.
Looks like more work than other solutions.
ain't no "zip"
Amazing what will they think of next?
They'll probably come up with some idea like, oh, I don't know, maybe, toasted bread!?😅😂🤣
How long is the bolt that goes thru the deck? Thx
can this fastener be used to anchor round posts?
Yes, if itvis larger than the 3-1/2" plate.
It would need to be recessed into bottom of newel. It is not a normal application for this model but it should work.
@@davidsilvia8467 can these be used on an exterior deck post?
Why not just pull down the post to the base with 4 wood anchors in the post (providing you had access below the floor of course).
I think the zipbolt method is pretty awesome. It's not only fastened down from above, but also provides a riser plate and separation of the bottom of the post to deck contact (hence, helping to eliminate water absorption issues and premature deterioration and stability of the post).
Id like to buy it but it doesnt seem to be available anywhere in canada.
Hello, you could try reaching out at this site zipbolt.com.au/ to see if there is a dealer in your area.
are these available in the uk,cant seem to find a stockist?
Hello, Quayteck, www.quaytechuk.com/ can help you out. Thank you.
Know what works better and requires no expensive bracket and doesn't fuck yourself when you go to replace decking. Just frame the damn post into the frame and block it in and notch the decking around it...
Matt, there are all different types of post fasteners on the market. If it was new deck construction and you have the opportunity to extend the newels on the deck you are 100% correct. It would be very strong clean and neat. But I have seen them used several different ways. "Filling in between two structural posts for example" or a deck remodel that the newels that hold the deck up are in good shape but what is sticking above is not. Your message does not mention if you actually tried the XT Anchor. Give it a shot the next time and it may be just right for situations I have described. Thank You
@@davidsilvia8467 I almost always will frame the post into the deck or shoulder cut a 6"x6" post and use a simpson bracket specifically for doing just that and tie it back into the frame on the inside and bolt it up. Handrail isn't something to mess around with it has to be STRONG.
Ye hame chahiye kaha milege...
Hello, if you are in the US www.cooperstairworks.com. If not please check out zipbolt.com.au/ to inquire about a dealer near you. Thank you.
Ye hame kaha milega
Hello, if you are in the US www.cooperstairworks.com. If not please check out zipbolt.com.au/ to inquire about a dealer near you. Thank you.
I don't think so.
Yeah. Way too weak for me
These gizmos are basically a $50 log splitter. No structural integrity with the deck frame whatsoever.
With "Zipbolts any substantial lateral load will "zip" these posts right down the middle.
Thanks for your comments. To date we have not had anything like happen to what you have described. Have you tried them?
We have been selling thousands of them for years . We are always looking to improve and I will share your thoughts with the manufacturer . Thanks again
@@davidsilvia8467 I Cannot believe this will resist a 300-pound uniform load or a 500-pound point load.of LATERAL force applied to the top of the 36 inch post. That is the current International Residential code requirement.
pretty expensive
Looks like the crap way of connecting cheap furniture. Not very strong.
$40 to $50 per post?
To surface mount to the deck boards?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Ikea brought this cheap fastening to the world 1st.
Hi, thanks for your feedback. Not sure if you ever used the product but Ikea does not carry this product of any of the ZIPBOLT products.
This patented product and to my knowledge has not been copied. You can see more or the ZIPBOLT products at www.zipbolt.com.au
It has been a good product for us.
@@davidsilvia8467 And if there is only a "contact us" option without listed pricing.. they've not taken off, only sell commercially, and highly over priced for a DIY.
That is an incredibly complex way of doing a simple job.
Must have been conceived by a government employee.
It looks very stable, great idea
Not too complex though
Doesn't look stable at all compared to the propper way of extending the post below the decking
@@dwkentinc it's not
No comment but thumbs down?
$40 a post
The resistance to lateral force, with this device, is NO GREATER than the screws ability to hold in the 5/4 deck board within the post's footprint.. In other words, this is about as strong as toe nailing into the surface of your deck and expecting it to hold against the mechanical advantage of a 36 inch lever at 200 pounds.
If you are not through bolting into the rim joist, structural joists and blocking with 1/2 inch nuts washers and bolts you will never achieve code standards of 200 pounds of lateral force.
Don't be stupid.
These gizmos are a waste of money.
Invest in 1/2 inch through bolts and longer posts that connect to the deck's frame structure if you really want to pass an IRC code test
Ha ha Imagine doing that much precision drilling and work for every post. Then someone leans heavily on it so you have to drill out the timber plug you've glued in to just tighten it up? Sorry but it's over engineered bullsht.