I've been thinking about this all week and I think I've figured out what's going on. Turbine operation is pretty straightforward to figure out - revolutionary in design (pun intended), fantastically clever, but not so special that the Wikipedia page doesn't provide a sufficient explanation. The pump is then just the same thing, but in reverse. Literally. The genius part is coupling them is series. Since the efficiency of the Tesla heat engines - in either direction - increases with diameter, having a larger diameter of pump than turbine essentially means that whatever the head drop is during the first (turbine) stage, there would hypothetically be a larger head increase in the second (pump) stage. However, since the pump is actually being run in reverse, as a turbine itself - because there is a net head drop between the first stage outlet (the second stage inlet) and the second stage outlet (to ambient), the steam is actually powering the pump too, which in turn drives down the absolute head (temperature/pressure) of the fluid between the stages (as energy is extracted by the second stage pump operating as a "turbine"). This in turn increases the efficiency of the first stage, since there is now a larger head drop between the inlet and outlet of the first stage. This acts as positive feedback to the rpm of both stages, and is why the rpm gradually increases. At first. This would stabilise when there is no net head change between the second stage inlet and the second stage outlet - i.e. when the pump is running in "neutral", or not net adding or extracting any energy to the flow, or when the rotational speed matches the flow rate (on average). (Technically the first stage could still drive the second stage at this point, further increasing the speed and thereby pumping energy from the fluid in-between stages, but since this essentially has the same effect of reducing inter-stage fluid head, i.e. forcing a low temperature vacuum, I don't care to distinguish which is actually happening at which point). At the same time, at the increasingly low temperature/pressure of the steam between the stages, the boiling point of the steam starts to drop. At the same time, the latent heat of condensation - the energy released during the state change from steam gas to liquid water - increases. The now cold steam starts to condense, and the energy released also drives the pump, which again is running in reverse as a turbine. This also acts as positive feedback, increasing the rpm of both stages. This is equivalent to combusting the steam. What Tesla has invented here is a Cold Steam Combustion Engine. And the craziest part is, once the second stage starts to be powered predominantly from the cold steam's latent heat of condensation, the output temperature of the second stage will be driven below ambient, as it will be increasingly close to the temperature of the fluid between the stages - which is under vacuum, and is driven further down with both sources of positive feedback. This then means that energy will flow from the ambient atmosphere into the cold outlet. If we treat this as a heat source, it shouldn't then in turn be difficult to "close the loop" and feed that (now heated) flow back into the boiler. At that point, the boiler is no longer the "hot" body, in the thermodynamic sense. The atmosphere is. And the cold body is no longer the ambient atmosphere - it's the low temperature/pressure flow between the stages (or throughout the second stage, if it is running at synchronous speed). At that point, we're extracting heat energy from the hot reservoir of the atmosphere, which is heated by the Sun. Any heat lost to ambient from the engine? It goes into the hot reservoir. That makes it 100% efficient. Unless you consider the heat loss through Earth's natural radiation to be a part of the system - which I think we can neglect, because of Global Warming. Utter genius. Tesla figured out the answer to our biggest problem before it was even a problem. This could continue to derive work from any absolute temperature, right up until the Heat Death of the Universe. (It might even prevent it, as technically the system acts as a heat siphon...) The only limitations are on power delivery, which are constrained by material properties (and even when made out of plastic, power to weight is ridiculously high), and initial setup costs, which are negligible in comparison to the economic benefit. If I wasn't doing an Engineering Master's Degree project at the forefront of literal flying cars, I would put all of my resources into making this a reality. I still will, within the next 12 months.
Well Said! Thank you for explaining it. I wish to work more on explanations but I find myself quickly moving on to the next test with urgent curiosity.
Jim, what self respecting engineer describes anything as 100% efficient? If there is a single tube, intake, exhaust, etc. with fluid going through it, then there is not 100% efficiency. That would be impossible.
A J a heat pump is over 100% efficient. The Tesla Model Y and the Nissan Lead both use them. In a closed thermodynamic system, by definition 100% efficiency is impossible. But, as articulately described in this comment, this dual stage Tesla Turbine is not a closed thermodynamic system.
Hi! First comment on your site. Yes, this is exciting! (Referring to implosions time 6:23/7:35). It make sense because of the nearly adiabatic expansion to form condensate and then implosions!
Dude... I believe High RPM's is NOT the goal of Tesla's design! NOT AT ALL! >TORQUE IS!< Watch out for insidious misdirection on the way to your GOAL! Stay on Track! GodSpeed!
@@mikenomath3897 Yeah the torque is directly proportional to the total surface area of the disks. The turbine I am testing now has 6.5" turbine 7.5" pump
So the 1st stage is a turbine powered by the steam. The 2nd stage is a pump (essential a reversed turbine) but because of the larger blade diameter and its being spun by the turbine at the same rpm it generates a net decrease in pressure. Resulting in the turbine spinning faster > pump faster > decrease pressure > turbine faster >>>> Is this about correct?
@@iEnergySupply so the max rpm is limited by the tensile strength of the discs. With perfect discs: you would need a method of increasing flow rate as the boundary layer effect that powers the discs rotation under extreme low pressure (near vacuum) would drop off.
@@tonyoliver4920 actually the faster you go without a load the less fluid you actually use. With my metal turbine 5,000 RPM uses more volume of air than 32,000 RPM
I was happy to see you working somewhat with a load on the unit this time. With out load I just dont see the point. But I am 100% enthused with your excitement of your project. I am anticipating some great things from you in the future. Wil be watching. Please keep in mind, to be taken seriously you are going to have to focus less on speed and more on applying usable load.
Good wisdom and point. Have you seen my horsepower pure electrical output 3" rotor plastic turbine yet? You are witnessing the beginning of what's to come, like you said.
The latest one is up on Patreon and will be publicly released soon. We had some issues with the testing station and the turbine that caused some delays. We have a replacement turbine on the way, and a new 3d printed turbine with 4" turbine and 5" pump in production.
Do you need help with the piping or plumbing process? Saw leaks or just spillage from overfill? Anyway would someone with more knowledge in pumps and assembly of be any help? Not me just wondering.
What are "implosions" exactly? Do you speak according to Viktor Schauberger's weird parlance? or do you mean _cavitation_ according to fluid dynamics and kinetic theory of gases?
Hho explosion/implosion is similar effect to a nuclear bomb, in the micro scale, it creates an outward force upon exploding initially and then it forms back into water aka an implosion creating a vacuum. Hho when it is ignited it goes from a gas form into a liquid form shrinking in size over 1000 times
As pointed out in a previous post reply to Jim Shepherd, I don't want o make electricity, but instead to produce air conditioning, using the heat extracted from the room to power the refrigeration compressor, with a small amount of outside power to make up for frictional and other losses. In effect, reducing A/C costs by 90%?
The turbine can be used to reduce the cost of ac. The gasses can be decompressed through the turbine to cool the areas that need to be cooled while extracting energy from the expanding gasses. I will be experimenting with this soon.
@@iEnergySupply I have been unable so far to find out if a Tesla Turbine/pump can handle a compression ratio of 5-1. That is, 250 PSI on the high side and 50 PSI on low side. Can you point me in the right direction? BTW I just signed up as one of your Patreon supporters. I'd like to collaborate with your group as you explore using the TT for A/C and refrigeration. I think there could be a world-wide refrigeration retrofit market...in my opinion. It would require hermetically sealed units. More later. I'll contact you on Patreon.
Your titanium turbine maximum revolutions for destruction is estimated around 56363 rpm for a 3 inch diameter with 1/16 inch discs. Calculated for Titanium 48. Suggest allow for 50nm oxidation on surface and increase in exothermic heat. So a load of 30% should be sufficient to run at maximum power without catastrophic failure.
Note we want to use Grade 5 Titanium (Ti-6Al-4V) UNS R56400. The rotors end plates stabilize them at high speeds. Also we need to know the strength of the completed rotor at high speed as the disks behave more stable in a stack of disks and washers and end plates.
To be honest, the Titanium alloy you're on about doesn't have a publicly alloy dataset for calculations but I can tell you the plain old regular Ti 48 is the metal with 98.7% purity and the most commonly available isotope. It is highly resistant to electrical conductivity and also twice as strong as aluminium in strength to mass ratio. However, the vanadium may well increase that strength & mass, hence the Al alloy added. As an adult you would need to ask the manufacturer what is poussin ratio is, its specific gravity and maximum elastic stress is?
Now the low temperatures are fine with titanium but at ultralow thermal environments, Ti becomes a superconductor. If you are able to attain those extremes then the capacity to use the shaft to transfer energy from the fluid directly becomes a possibility. This is where oxygen cavitation in nitrogen rich mix becomes fractious. This issue is covered by Fran who explores the issue with the Saturn V rocket engine on RUclips.
@@iEnergySupply 1 hp is about 746 watts do you think this size one would be able to push like 4.5 hp so it can power 3kwh I always thought it was the next size tesla turbine up tesla built to get enough HP for what I wanted. Thank you again for specs
@@robbieince5979 the one horsepower was from a 3" plastic turbine. This 4" turbine when fixed will produce way over that. It may need the larger generator, I have the magnet for it now. We are also building the new turbine with a thicker shaft to handle more torque and it will be more durable.
Want more power? DESIGN A MACHINE USING MERCURY! (Much higher pressures, velocities, AND YOU CAN PASS CURRENT THROUGH IT AT SPEED!) Temps are at 356.67degrees though
@@iEnergySupply It is! You'll find at high temperatures too when you get plasma from the amount of energy in a pressurised system, it turns to plasma and is then attracted to the center of the centrifuge :P
Could this be possible to combine with high rpm turbopump in a same shaft that feeds water straight to the monotube boiler wile the expanded steam then rotates the turbine and the cycle goes on? Like this the system can be smaller and even portable.
Hey me again I was just curious what's the life span of your bearings, what kind of bearings and if purchased would you include blue print incase of any catastrophe
Vicktor Schauberger made a big point of the necessity of having a copper vessel and the correct minerals and oxygen concentration in the water, and also that the water must be at its densest, at 4 degrees C, for implosion to occur.
I've achieved freezing temperatures at low pressures in the past and am beginning to get the mixture correct. Thanks for the information. This is my favorite part, the testing and tuning :)
@@iEnergySupply As far as I understand, the "implosion" that Schauberger talked about was an electro-chemical, or possibly atomic, effect. The 4 degree C (39 degrees F) temperature was important as that is the point in which water at standard pressure has its greatest density, allowing the highest concentration of oxygen. The minerals affected the conductivity of the water, or possible altered its structure in a way similar to how "doping" works in electronic semiconductors. It was important to use copper for the pipes, because of the conductivity and other properties. (Schauberger specifically said not to use iron because of the reaction with the oxygen.) The action of the vortex concentrated the reacting chemicals. *Having just a vortex will not work unless the other things are present.*
@@codetech5598 The water needs to be restructured by the vortex process first. In its high energy state, the H will sit at 24° in relation to the O. This energised state can be achieved mechanically in a lab, or through the processes of a natural watercourse.
@@codetech5598 Thanks for the info. Im really into water. It's the first time I've seen this particular V.S. info.. Youve got a great info source. Where can I find it?
In an earlier video/lecture, they mention that pressure can be created by both psi and heat. Therefore, steam would create some pressure and can power the turbine, much like compressed air. Eventually, they talked about how a vacuum can decrease the boiling point of water. The two stage tesla turbine has 1 turbine in the middle and 2 tesla pumps on both sides. I tesla pump is really just a turbine but put on backwards. The pump creates vacuum, which lowers the boiling point of water, which makes more steam, the turbine then turns that heat into magnificent kinetic spinning emergency, the turbine then spits water if left into the pump inlet. Somewhere in the process it condenses to water, and out comes cold water. The turbine is powered by heat. If the vacuum keeps becoming more and more efficient, the water would theoretically boil below room temperature. Which basically means it could one day be powered by the temperature of the air around us... Or at least that's what my primitive mind is telling me. I never studied physics at college, so it's anyone's guess if I'm right or wrong.
I would love to do this my self, in this case, in my opinion, bigger is better! More surface and mass will yield different results, perhaps the results Tesla intends! He's still Alive ya know? :) GodSpeed!
the shaft is too small so it was bent due to stress relief when shaving material off with the lathe, the problem will be fixed with the new turbine though by using a larger shaft. We are working on the new turbine with all the improvements now, including larger generator and pump.
@@iEnergySupply Careful you don't shatter it by making it too large! Have a look the Wikipedia page for Flywheel Energy Storage and make sure you have a safety factor of at least 1.5 after you carry out the dimensionless calculations for the disk designs!
WONDERFUL WORK! Now please OPEN SOURCE the building plans or at least offer a license to build so we can ALL work on this, benefit NOW and move this technology ahead faster and in a more secure for the future reality of it actually making a positive impact in the world!
The plans are available on my Patreon, and your support directly contributes to the research and development process. I'm very close to completing the project, but there’s still work to be done. Production units will be ready soon!
Good question... Not mathematically on the spot, I am working on it. Here is how Nikola Tesla describes what is going on in his patent. Still another valuable and probably unique quality of such motors or prime movers may be described. By proper construction and observance of working conditions the centrifugal pressure, opposing the passage of the fluid, may, as already indicated, be made nearly equal to the pressure of supply when the machine is running idle. If the inlet section be large, small changes in the speed of revolution will produce great differences in flow which are further enhanced by the concomitant variations in the length of the spiral path. A self-regulating machine is thus obtained bearing a striking resemblance to a direct-current electric motor in this respect that, with great differences of impressed pressure in a wide open channel the flow of the fluid through the same is prevented by virtue of rotation. Since the centrifugal head increases as the square of the revolutions, or even more rapidly, and with modern high grade steel great peripheral velocities are practicable, it is possible to attain that condition in a single stage machine, more readily if the runner be of large diameter.
Unluckily there have been multiple attempts to use what was created for us by the Master of the Universe but it has been thwarted by the Evil powers that be time after time after time. The laws of thermodynamics are wrong and I hope to live long enough to see at least the almost free electricity revolution. Almost because the device it self must be built. Any Engineer worth his salt would be smart to try to unlearn the brainwashing you received. E=MC2 is equally nonsense. 1+1=1 can be proven over and over again. Two magnets connected together by there own "Free" energy as an example. Take a one pound magnet and stick it to a piece of steel. I stays right there. What happened to Gravity? Suddenly the laws do not apply to the magnet. Is it not power that is holding it from falling down. Where is that power? Take a plastic ring and mount 12 magnets within all facing north out south in. Then take a smaller plastic ring and mount 10 magnets all facing north in south out. Lay the smaller over the larger and it will create power in the center. It will create it continuously as well. IE Free Energy. Magnets themselves seem to be permitted to break the law's made up to keep people back. Look for Nigel Cheese though I believe this gentleman right here is on track. The most important step everyone must take is accepting that we have been lied to forever. If fractional reserve banking by itself does not explain why you cannot trust anything then nothing will. Shauberger did make a machine. They of course took it away and all the documents explaining it. Walter Russell created a working motor as well that creates more than it requires to start. Much more. The truth will set us free. That's why they lie.
Good stuff as always!!! Nice example of temp differential. Looks like you've got some leaks, though :( Plans to build the next gen? Same design? i.e., 1 turbine and 2 pumps on opposite sides ?
@@iEnergySupply I get that but I'm just saying place two turbines operating from different power supplies, but, face the exhaust towards one another and run them to see the opposing vortices of exhaust.....I don't know just curious.
It was really interesting to hear the turbine hit fundamental frequencies in the system and then what sounds like cavitation as the stages are evacuated! Are the blades of your turbine still made of aluminum?
@@iEnergySupply ceramic? haven't heard of; but this morning, i read about piesoceramics ; was not about use in bearings but i could see that they might. Is that what these are and where did you procure yours? Thank you for your time and the work you are doing. i am also following your UK friend. PEACE
Sorry i got interrupted by that noise. And was talking about winter in yore state buuuut dang jerm that is cool. You still need that protection. I'll protect you from the them ok
It seems like when you re-open the valve with swift fastness completely flooding in full pressure into the opening over the slowing disks it's blowing/forcing past an already spinning opening or multiple openings in the discs- as the forces start to take hold on the notches making the vibration. It'll first slow some then you get the pinging vibration on the Assembly as It Gets caught up to the speed of the open valve causing super turbine accelerator or still accelerates causing it to have less implosions an no longer vibrate. That's not only really dangerous to#open the valve completely after closing it completely. Good god you should open at a rate like 3sec to every inch open on the valve. time line like 1,2 3, open slowly one inch and continuously moving to the next 1,2,3 inch. And it'll extort less money from your material fund age.... like it. Like it. Lollipops and candy. I smell a nomination for the Donald TrumpetNoBell peace surprise. That's where it is You who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2029 or earlier or whenever something like that
You know what im talking about tho right how the air had to get caught up to how fast the discs openings are spinning going back thru causes vibration you should put a seismograph type reader on your table top Bet that would register as violent
@@MrKidzkrazy3I want to get a seismograph! the reason it vibrates so much is due to the bent shaft/imbalance you are correct. We are getting that fixed, and Ill use the seismograph to measure the vibration while I balance the rotor.
No i mean even you turn the air back on it makes what you're calling implosion noise i call it vibration as it catches back up. Not like a ping buuuut? Never mind to many geniuses in here for me. Lol
If you want to see what Tesla was talking about. get rid of all imbalances! ALL OF IT! It has to be PERFECT BALANCE aka ZERO VIBRATION AT ANY SPEED! GodSpeed!
450w at 15000 rpm, but I just made my nozzles larger so I will get many times more in the up-coming tests I'll also make the turbine larger. My three inch turbine got over 2kw and was made of plastic.
The greater the efficiency of the pump, the greater the vacuum on the return stage. Any increase in vacuum increases efficiency, and therefore should yield a cooler return.
@@iEnergySupply With sufficient efficiency, this device will potentially bring about snowball earth Mk II. Some people will try to call it perpetual motion nonsense, but it is, in fact hard science. Under sufficient vacuum, water sublimates, rather than boiling, so we have to keep over 1% earth atmospheric pressure at greatest vacuum to avoid ice in the pump stage.
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I dont get why you still use plexiglass. Dude, use proper steel/alum. And since you are working on negative pressure - I would use also graphite air bearings connected to same intake (albeit lower diameter) to reduce wearing.
one possible thing to take keep in mind - dropping temperatures may actually set the turbine off balance if there are many different materials in the turbine rotor. This is due to the fact that for different shrinkage of material ( any asymmetric copper, plastic, magnets or anything other than base shaft/disc material) create a micron sized dimensional disbalance.
@@romualdaskuzborskis Yeah they really need to use high-grade steel, or titanium XD the limiting factor here is going to be whether or not the material properties of the housing and disks can withstand the mechanical stresses of the insane power delivery!
Our last metal turbine went 47000 rpm with 4" rotor Ss 316. My machinist broke it on accident in a RPM test before sending it over. He then fixed it and sent it to me but the shaft was bent and the rotors had to be shaved down because the metal welded to the side walls. He is making me a new turbine with a larger shaft, high grade ss shaft. We have the titanium for a larger pump as well that we will use to make the disks.
Awesome. I was trying get Paul onto. It. He wants to stay to the patents though. I thought it might depressurise the system. High burning temperature may cause problems.
@@squeaksallan8195 I figured it out, by experimenting with an assortment of springs, then move to rubber spokes, then moved to rubber race around the bearing. The rubber race around the bearing works the best. Here is a link to the patent. teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/british-patent-186799-process-and-apparatus-balancing-rotating-machine-parts
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I've been thinking about this all week and I think I've figured out what's going on.
Turbine operation is pretty straightforward to figure out - revolutionary in design (pun intended), fantastically clever, but not so special that the Wikipedia page doesn't provide a sufficient explanation. The pump is then just the same thing, but in reverse. Literally.
The genius part is coupling them is series.
Since the efficiency of the Tesla heat engines - in either direction - increases with diameter, having a larger diameter of pump than turbine essentially means that whatever the head drop is during the first (turbine) stage, there would hypothetically be a larger head increase in the second (pump) stage. However, since the pump is actually being run in reverse, as a turbine itself - because there is a net head drop between the first stage outlet (the second stage inlet) and the second stage outlet (to ambient), the steam is actually powering the pump too, which in turn drives down the absolute head (temperature/pressure) of the fluid between the stages (as energy is extracted by the second stage pump operating as a "turbine").
This in turn increases the efficiency of the first stage, since there is now a larger head drop between the inlet and outlet of the first stage. This acts as positive feedback to the rpm of both stages, and is why the rpm gradually increases. At first. This would stabilise when there is no net head change between the second stage inlet and the second stage outlet - i.e. when the pump is running in "neutral", or not net adding or extracting any energy to the flow, or when the rotational speed matches the flow rate (on average). (Technically the first stage could still drive the second stage at this point, further increasing the speed and thereby pumping energy from the fluid in-between stages, but since this essentially has the same effect of reducing inter-stage fluid head, i.e. forcing a low temperature vacuum, I don't care to distinguish which is actually happening at which point).
At the same time, at the increasingly low temperature/pressure of the steam between the stages, the boiling point of the steam starts to drop. At the same time, the latent heat of condensation - the energy released during the state change from steam gas to liquid water - increases. The now cold steam starts to condense, and the energy released also drives the pump, which again is running in reverse as a turbine. This also acts as positive feedback, increasing the rpm of both stages. This is equivalent to combusting the steam.
What Tesla has invented here is a Cold Steam Combustion Engine. And the craziest part is, once the second stage starts to be powered predominantly from the cold steam's latent heat of condensation, the output temperature of the second stage will be driven below ambient, as it will be increasingly close to the temperature of the fluid between the stages - which is under vacuum, and is driven further down with both sources of positive feedback.
This then means that energy will flow from the ambient atmosphere into the cold outlet. If we treat this as a heat source, it shouldn't then in turn be difficult to "close the loop" and feed that (now heated) flow back into the boiler. At that point, the boiler is no longer the "hot" body, in the thermodynamic sense.
The atmosphere is. And the cold body is no longer the ambient atmosphere - it's the low temperature/pressure flow between the stages (or throughout the second stage, if it is running at synchronous speed). At that point, we're extracting heat energy from the hot reservoir of the atmosphere, which is heated by the Sun.
Any heat lost to ambient from the engine? It goes into the hot reservoir. That makes it 100% efficient. Unless you consider the heat loss through Earth's natural radiation to be a part of the system - which I think we can neglect, because of Global Warming.
Utter genius. Tesla figured out the answer to our biggest problem before it was even a problem. This could continue to derive work from any absolute temperature, right up until the Heat Death of the Universe. (It might even prevent it, as technically the system acts as a heat siphon...)
The only limitations are on power delivery, which are constrained by material properties (and even when made out of plastic, power to weight is ridiculously high), and initial setup costs, which are negligible in comparison to the economic benefit.
If I wasn't doing an Engineering Master's Degree project at the forefront of literal flying cars, I would put all of my resources into making this a reality. I still will, within the next 12 months.
Power your flying car with it.
Well Said! Thank you for explaining it. I wish to work more on explanations but I find myself quickly moving on to the next test with urgent curiosity.
Jim, what self respecting engineer describes anything as 100% efficient? If there is a single tube, intake, exhaust, etc. with fluid going through it, then there is not 100% efficiency. That would be impossible.
A great, and thorough, explanation. Amazing demonstration.
A J a heat pump is over 100% efficient. The Tesla Model Y and the Nissan Lead both use them. In a closed thermodynamic system, by definition 100% efficiency is impossible. But, as articulately described in this comment, this dual stage Tesla Turbine is not a closed thermodynamic system.
Amazing technology and engineering. I'm really grateful that you are choosing to share your research so publicly.
I don't like hiding technology from the world, especially technology that was supposed to be used everywhere by now.
Hi! First comment on your site. Yes, this is exciting! (Referring to implosions time 6:23/7:35). It make sense because of the nearly adiabatic expansion to form condensate and then implosions!
Thank you! I am doing further experiments to verify everything, the only way to know for sure is with empirical data.
@@iEnergySupply Wondering if condensate would exist long enough to be collected and extracted before reaching the output turbine pump.
Thank you for this! Fascinating!
You bet!
Dude... I believe High RPM's is NOT the goal of Tesla's design! NOT AT ALL! >TORQUE IS!< Watch out for insidious misdirection on the way to your GOAL! Stay on Track! GodSpeed!
I've learned that high torque and high rpm equals high power, or high watts/horsepower.
@@iEnergySupply Scale up... ;)
@@iEnergySupply More surface area / more mass will achieve better results at lower RPM... Good luck kid!
@@mikenomath3897 Yeah the torque is directly proportional to the total surface area of the disks. The turbine I am testing now has 6.5" turbine 7.5" pump
This seriously makes me happy.
Thanks! Way more good stuff to come.
The implosions are oxygen cavitations aka pogo effect experienced in saturn 5 rocket engine design. They used helium to minimise the effect.
thanks for clarifying.
So the 1st stage is a turbine powered by the steam. The 2nd stage is a pump (essential a reversed turbine) but because of the larger blade diameter and its being spun by the turbine at the same rpm it generates a net decrease in pressure. Resulting in the turbine spinning faster > pump faster > decrease pressure > turbine faster >>>>
Is this about correct?
Correct!
@@iEnergySupply so the max rpm is limited by the tensile strength of the discs.
With perfect discs: you would need a method of increasing flow rate as the boundary layer effect that powers the discs rotation under extreme low pressure (near vacuum) would drop off.
@@tonyoliver4920 actually the faster you go without a load the less fluid you actually use. With my metal turbine 5,000 RPM uses more volume of air than 32,000 RPM
Cool and throwing a bump for the Algo
Yeah :)
I was happy to see you working somewhat with a load on the unit this time. With out load I just dont see the point. But I am 100% enthused with your excitement of your project. I am anticipating some great things from you in the future. Wil be watching. Please keep in mind, to be taken seriously you are going to have to focus less on speed and more on applying usable load.
Good wisdom and point. Have you seen my horsepower pure electrical output 3" rotor plastic turbine yet? You are witnessing the beginning of what's to come, like you said.
When can i buy 3 two stage units? Or at least a rotor assembly. Very exciting
Going to Utah to test my latest design My machinist has finished it :) If I'm satisfied which I am confident I will be, we will start selling them :)
Thanks again bro really inspiring
My pleasure
no videos coming ?? what happened??
The latest one is up on Patreon and will be publicly released soon. We had some issues with the testing station and the turbine that caused some delays. We have a replacement turbine on the way, and a new 3d printed turbine with 4" turbine and 5" pump in production.
Do you need help with the piping or plumbing process? Saw leaks or just spillage from overfill? Anyway would someone with more knowledge in pumps and assembly of be any help? Not me just wondering.
I've since fixed all the issues with leaking, thanks for the suggestion.
What are "implosions" exactly? Do you speak according to Viktor Schauberger's weird parlance? or do you mean _cavitation_ according to fluid dynamics and kinetic theory of gases?
Hho explosion/implosion is similar effect to a nuclear bomb, in the micro scale, it creates an outward force upon exploding initially and then it forms back into water aka an implosion creating a vacuum. Hho when it is ignited it goes from a gas form into a liquid form shrinking in size over 1000 times
Not sure what was happening yet.
As pointed out in a previous post reply to Jim Shepherd, I don't want o make electricity, but instead to produce air conditioning, using the heat extracted from the room to power the refrigeration compressor, with a small amount of outside power to make up for frictional and other losses. In effect, reducing A/C costs by 90%?
The turbine can be used to reduce the cost of ac. The gasses can be decompressed through the turbine to cool the areas that need to be cooled while extracting energy from the expanding gasses. I will be experimenting with this soon.
@@iEnergySupply I have been unable so far to find out if a Tesla Turbine/pump can handle a compression ratio of 5-1. That is, 250 PSI on the high side and 50 PSI on low side. Can you point me in the right direction? BTW I just signed up as one of your Patreon supporters. I'd like to collaborate with your group as you explore using the TT for A/C and refrigeration. I think there could be a world-wide refrigeration retrofit market...in my opinion. It would require hermetically sealed units. More later. I'll contact you on Patreon.
Your titanium turbine maximum revolutions for destruction is estimated around 56363 rpm for a 3 inch diameter with 1/16 inch discs. Calculated for Titanium 48. Suggest allow for 50nm oxidation on surface and increase in exothermic heat. So a load of 30% should be sufficient to run at maximum power without catastrophic failure.
What about with low temperatures? We got the 4" rotor up to 47000 rpm, ss 316
Note we want to use Grade 5 Titanium (Ti-6Al-4V) UNS R56400. The rotors end plates stabilize them at high speeds. Also we need to know the strength of the completed rotor at high speed as the disks behave more stable in a stack of disks and washers and end plates.
To be honest, the Titanium alloy you're on about doesn't have a publicly alloy dataset for calculations but I can tell you the plain old regular Ti 48 is the metal with 98.7% purity and the most commonly available isotope. It is highly resistant to electrical conductivity and also twice as strong as aluminium in strength to mass ratio. However, the vanadium may well increase that strength & mass, hence the Al alloy added. As an adult you would need to ask the manufacturer what is poussin ratio is, its specific gravity and maximum elastic stress is?
Now the low temperatures are fine with titanium but at ultralow thermal environments, Ti becomes a superconductor. If you are able to attain those extremes then the capacity to use the shaft to transfer energy from the fluid directly becomes a possibility. This is where oxygen cavitation in nitrogen rich mix becomes fractious. This issue is covered by Fran who explores the issue with the Saturn V rocket engine on RUclips.
@@iEnergySupply the 4 inch isn't going to be much different. Harmonic deformation is more likely but watch the taper on the duscs from centre to edge.
What's the most consistent watts an hour have you generated from this
Over a horsepower, but that's nothing compared to what is to come.
@@iEnergySupply 1 hp is about 746 watts do you think this size one would be able to push like 4.5 hp so it can power 3kwh I always thought it was the next size tesla turbine up tesla built to get enough HP for what I wanted. Thank you again for specs
@@robbieince5979 the one horsepower was from a 3" plastic turbine. This 4" turbine when fixed will produce way over that. It may need the larger generator, I have the magnet for it now. We are also building the new turbine with a thicker shaft to handle more torque and it will be more durable.
Oh wow!
Thanks!
That thing's just a toy proof of concept... TIME TO SCALE UP! GodSpeed!
Yeah :) Already done!
Great work
Thank you so much 😀
Want more power? DESIGN A MACHINE USING MERCURY! (Much higher pressures, velocities, AND YOU CAN PASS CURRENT THROUGH IT AT SPEED!)
Temps are at 356.67degrees though
Would surely be a great expiriment!
why's mercury so good at so many things? it's unfair
@@iEnergySupply It is! You'll find at high temperatures too when you get plasma from the amount of energy in a pressurised system, it turns to plasma and is then attracted to the center of the centrifuge :P
Think of it like water, its a conductive metal that flows at room temp :P
Could this be possible to combine with high rpm turbopump in a same shaft that feeds water straight to the monotube boiler wile the expanded steam then rotates the turbine and the cycle goes on? Like this the system can be smaller and even portable.
we have the portable version for demonstration available on patron soon. we are editing the videos now. it will later be released on patreyon
Hey me again I was just curious what's the life span of your bearings, what kind of bearings and if purchased would you include blue print incase of any catastrophe
Blueprints are available to patrons
Depends on the bearings, we will do endurance testing soon!
The new blueprints is what everyone will want.
Vicktor Schauberger made a big point of the necessity of having a copper vessel and the correct minerals and oxygen concentration in the water, and also that the water must be at its densest, at 4 degrees C, for implosion to occur.
I've achieved freezing temperatures at low pressures in the past and am beginning to get the mixture correct. Thanks for the information. This is my favorite part, the testing and tuning :)
@@iEnergySupply As far as I understand, the "implosion" that Schauberger talked about was an electro-chemical, or possibly atomic, effect. The 4 degree C (39 degrees F) temperature was important as that is the point in which water at standard pressure has its greatest density, allowing the highest concentration of oxygen.
The minerals affected the conductivity of the water, or possible altered its structure in a way similar to how "doping" works in electronic semiconductors. It was important to use copper for the pipes, because of the conductivity and other properties. (Schauberger specifically said not to use iron because of the reaction with the oxygen.)
The action of the vortex concentrated the reacting chemicals. *Having just a vortex will not work unless the other things are present.*
@@codetech5598 The water needs to be restructured by the vortex process first. In its high energy state, the H will sit at 24° in relation to the O. This energised state can be achieved mechanically in a lab, or through the processes of a natural watercourse.
@@mcbusinessmonkey Schauberger himself made a big issue of the things I listed above.
@@codetech5598 Thanks for the info. Im really into water. It's the first time I've seen this particular V.S. info.. Youve got a great info source. Where can I find it?
Im trying to wrap my head around this, so to use this as an engine we need just compressed air? Can this be used as a generator from wind/water?
In an earlier video/lecture, they mention that pressure can be created by both psi and heat. Therefore, steam would create some pressure and can power the turbine, much like compressed air. Eventually, they talked about how a vacuum can decrease the boiling point of water. The two stage tesla turbine has 1 turbine in the middle and 2 tesla pumps on both sides. I tesla pump is really just a turbine but put on backwards. The pump creates vacuum, which lowers the boiling point of water, which makes more steam, the turbine then turns that heat into magnificent kinetic spinning emergency, the turbine then spits water if left into the pump inlet. Somewhere in the process it condenses to water, and out comes cold water. The turbine is powered by heat. If the vacuum keeps becoming more and more efficient, the water would theoretically boil below room temperature. Which basically means it could one day be powered by the temperature of the air around us... Or at least that's what my primitive mind is telling me. I never studied physics at college, so it's anyone's guess if I'm right or wrong.
I just realized how many typos are in my explanation 😂 you'll need to watch all their videos instead.
@@monjier Its probably a lot simpler than Im trying to make it out:D Basically we need some form of pressure which drives the pump/turbine.
@@monjier Exactly!
no problem, I'm a horrible speller so I have them everywhere as well.
I would love to do this my self, in this case, in my opinion, bigger is better! More surface and mass will yield different results, perhaps the results Tesla intends! He's still Alive ya know? :) GodSpeed!
Totally agree!
Love the progress! What crippled the turbine?
the shaft is too small so it was bent due to stress relief when shaving material off with the lathe, the problem will be fixed with the new turbine though by using a larger shaft. We are working on the new turbine with all the improvements now, including larger generator and pump.
@@iEnergySupply Careful you don't shatter it by making it too large! Have a look the Wikipedia page for Flywheel Energy Storage and make sure you have a safety factor of at least 1.5 after you carry out the dimensionless calculations for the disk designs!
Keep it coming. This is REALLY cool. So, what is this about a flying car?
Propulsion is after off grid system :)
I'd power an airship with it.
WONDERFUL WORK! Now please OPEN SOURCE the building plans or at least offer a license to build so we can ALL work on this, benefit NOW and move this technology ahead faster and in a more secure for the future reality of it actually making a positive impact in the world!
The plans are available on my Patreon, and your support directly contributes to the research and development process. I'm very close to completing the project, but there’s still work to be done. Production units will be ready soon!
Are you able to explain physics of this run with math? Is it a known mechanism or have you invented something new (physics theory question)?
Good question... Not mathematically on the spot, I am working on it. Here is how Nikola Tesla describes what is going on in his patent.
Still another valuable and probably unique quality of such motors or prime movers may be described. By proper construction and observance of working conditions the centrifugal pressure, opposing the passage of the fluid, may, as already indicated, be made nearly equal to the pressure of supply when the machine is running idle. If the inlet section be large, small changes in the speed of revolution will produce great differences in flow which are further enhanced by the concomitant variations in the length of the spiral path. A self-regulating machine is thus obtained bearing a striking resemblance to a direct-current electric motor in this respect that, with great differences of impressed pressure in a wide open channel the flow of the fluid through the same is prevented by virtue of rotation. Since the centrifugal head increases as the square of the revolutions, or even more rapidly, and with modern high grade steel great peripheral velocities are practicable, it is possible to attain that condition in a single stage machine, more readily if the runner be of large diameter.
imagen, if shauberger and tesla made a machine together, damm, that must have been the ultimate best of both worlds
yeah! That would be crazy!
Unluckily there have been multiple attempts to use what was created for us by the Master of the Universe but it has been thwarted by the Evil powers that be time after time after time.
The laws of thermodynamics are wrong and I hope to live long enough to see at least the almost free electricity revolution.
Almost because the device it self must be built. Any Engineer worth his salt would be smart to try to unlearn the brainwashing you received.
E=MC2 is equally nonsense.
1+1=1 can be proven over and over again.
Two magnets connected together by there own "Free" energy as an example.
Take a one pound magnet and stick it to a piece of steel. I stays right there. What happened to Gravity? Suddenly the laws do not apply to the magnet. Is it not power that is holding it from falling down. Where is that power?
Take a plastic ring and mount 12 magnets within all facing north out south in.
Then take a smaller plastic ring and mount 10 magnets all facing north in south out.
Lay the smaller over the larger and it will create power in the center. It will create it continuously as well. IE Free Energy.
Magnets themselves seem to be permitted to break the law's made up to keep people back.
Look for Nigel Cheese though I believe this gentleman right here is on track.
The most important step everyone must take is accepting that we have been lied to forever. If fractional reserve banking by itself does not explain why you cannot trust anything then nothing will.
Shauberger did make a machine. They of course took it away and all the documents explaining it. Walter Russell created a working motor as well that creates more than it requires to start. Much more.
The truth will set us free. That's why they lie.
Good stuff as always!!! Nice example of temp differential. Looks like you've got some leaks, though :(
Plans to build the next gen? Same design? i.e., 1 turbine and 2 pumps on opposite sides ?
Yeah this turbine is crippled. Our next apparatus has a 4" turbine and 5" pump with reduced spacing between the disks for increased surface area.
@@iEnergySupply I'm still waiting on the dual turbine with exhaust ports facing one another.
@@jvon3885 Tesla said he got 200hp from each shaft. There were two shafts in that design. If I had the money to build it right now I would...
@@iEnergySupply I get that but I'm just saying place two turbines operating from different power supplies, but, face the exhaust towards one another and run them to see the opposing vortices of exhaust.....I don't know just curious.
@@jvon3885 Yeah I really want to do that test, eventually ill get to it. Don't worry.
You normally hear an explosion after that kind of report... that got loud
yeah.
You need to max the turbine out till destruction. And if the turbine gives up it will explode like a grenade so keep a good distance from the turbine.
Lol done that one before but sandblast Shields are the way to go.
@@iEnergySupply What is the optimal size flywheel? Something big like a 100cm or more?
@@v4skunk739 Not sure why you would need a flywheel, can you explain?
@@iEnergySupply I mean tesla turbine.
very cool
Thanks!
It was really interesting to hear the turbine hit fundamental frequencies in the system and then what sounds like cavitation as the stages are evacuated! Are the blades of your turbine still made of aluminum?
They are made of ss316 at the moment.
@@iEnergySupply Did you look into that link I sent you concerning a good material for the blades? (Think I sent it on FB)
Let it SPOOL UP to MAX RPM! If it scares you, put a barrier between you and it... run it! GodSpeed!
We will go faster and faster over time. Blast shields are a must lol.
is it really that quiet?
When balanced correctly yes.
is that's with air or mag bearings?
Full ceramic bearings.
@@iEnergySupply ceramic? haven't heard of; but this morning, i read about piesoceramics ; was not about use in bearings but i could see that they might. Is that what these are and where did you procure yours? Thank you for your time and the work you are doing. i am also following your UK friend. PEACE
@@iEnergySupply THAT'S PIEZO; can't spell
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You about to be in the cold up there soon right. So i know I've heard that noise before dang it
Sorry i got interrupted by that noise. And was talking about winter in yore state buuuut dang jerm that is cool. You still need that protection. I'll protect you from the them ok
Ok im going get beer huh... dang
Emmy winner RUclips champion
Lol Thanks
It seems like when you re-open the valve with swift fastness completely flooding in full pressure into the opening over the slowing disks it's blowing/forcing past an already spinning opening or multiple openings in the discs- as the forces start to take hold on the notches making the vibration. It'll first slow some then you get the pinging vibration on the Assembly as It Gets caught up to the speed of the open valve causing super turbine accelerator or still accelerates causing it to have less implosions an no longer vibrate. That's not only really dangerous to#open the valve completely after closing it completely. Good god you should open at a rate like 3sec to every inch open on the valve.
time line like 1,2 3, open slowly one inch and continuously moving to the next 1,2,3 inch. And it'll extort less money from your material fund age.... like it. Like it. Lollipops and candy. I smell a nomination for the Donald TrumpetNoBell peace surprise. That's where it is You who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2029 or earlier or whenever something like that
for me to be sure I need to make the effect more pronounced, I am confident I can control it.
You know what im talking about tho right how the air had to get caught up to how fast the discs openings are spinning going back thru causes vibration you should put a seismograph type reader on your table top Bet that would register as violent
@@MrKidzkrazy3I want to get a seismograph! the reason it vibrates so much is due to the bent shaft/imbalance you are correct. We are getting that fixed, and Ill use the seismograph to measure the vibration while I balance the rotor.
No i mean even you turn the air back on it makes what you're calling implosion noise i call it vibration as it catches back up. Not like a ping buuuut? Never mind to many geniuses in here for me. Lol
@@MrKidzkrazy3 no worries, you are on the right track. It is vibrations, implosions cause vibrations.
Fucking awesome indeed!
Thank you!
ive figured out a way to stabilize the output frequency of the current
That would be helpful.
I wonder if you're getting cavitations inside the turbine.
Hard to say, but cavitation are not necessarily a bad thing. I want to make the effect more pronounced so I can see if it's able to be utilized.
Nice TOY!
It was broken but we had a better one that we will be testing soon.
If you want to see what Tesla was talking about. get rid of all imbalances! ALL OF IT! It has to be PERFECT BALANCE aka ZERO VIBRATION AT ANY SPEED! GodSpeed!
It's happening!
how much watt it finally got?
450w at 15000 rpm, but I just made my nozzles larger so I will get many times more in the up-coming tests I'll also make the turbine larger. My three inch turbine got over 2kw and was made of plastic.
@@iEnergySupply how much pressure it is?
At what psi u generated 450?
@@shubhamtahalani9821 no more then 30 psi was used during this testing, most of the video it's running at 3 psi.
Bro how can i contact u except email ,,,i have many questions 🤘
bet you could add a separate pump that primes air bearings
Tesla actually used a separate pump for his bearings, he pumped oil through them, they were contact free bearings.
The greater the efficiency of the pump, the greater the vacuum on the return stage. Any increase in vacuum increases efficiency, and therefore should yield a cooler return.
correct :)
@@iEnergySupply With sufficient efficiency, this device will potentially bring about snowball earth Mk II. Some people will try to call it perpetual motion nonsense, but it is, in fact hard science. Under sufficient vacuum, water sublimates, rather than boiling, so we have to keep over 1% earth atmospheric pressure at greatest vacuum to avoid ice in the pump stage.
@@DragonBane2012 It's relieving to know some people understand the hard science behind it, thank you!
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I dont get why you still use plexiglass. Dude, use proper steel/alum. And since you are working on negative pressure - I would use also graphite air bearings connected to same intake (albeit lower diameter) to reduce wearing.
one possible thing to take keep in mind - dropping temperatures may actually set the turbine off balance if there are many different materials in the turbine rotor. This is due to the fact that for different shrinkage of material ( any asymmetric copper, plastic, magnets or anything other than base shaft/disc material) create a micron sized dimensional disbalance.
@@romualdaskuzborskis Yeah they really need to use high-grade steel, or titanium XD the limiting factor here is going to be whether or not the material properties of the housing and disks can withstand the mechanical stresses of the insane power delivery!
Our last metal turbine went 47000 rpm with 4" rotor Ss 316. My machinist broke it on accident in a RPM test before sending it over. He then fixed it and sent it to me but the shaft was bent and the rotors had to be shaved down because the metal welded to the side walls. He is making me a new turbine with a larger shaft, high grade ss shaft. We have the titanium for a larger pump as well that we will use to make the disks.
@@iEnergySupply Exciting!
Run it on HHO.
We will, with the pulse-jet :)
Awesome. I was trying get Paul onto. It. He wants to stay to the patents though. I thought it might depressurise the system. High burning temperature may cause problems.
@@mcbusinessmonkey It all points in a great direction! The water will cool the explosions and transfer the energy to motive force.
Can't wait to see how it goes
Stop trying to blow up the lab darci
Swire all you like man, your showing the world the truth to one of the biggest lies, keep up the good work man.
thanks, cheers!
@@iEnergySupply The balicing patient, I can't seem to find it. Was looking to see what springs he would have suggested.
@@squeaksallan8195 I figured it out, by experimenting with an assortment of springs, then move to rubber spokes, then moved to rubber race around the bearing. The rubber race around the bearing works the best. Here is a link to the patent. teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/british-patent-186799-process-and-apparatus-balancing-rotating-machine-parts
@@iEnergySupply see I would do that, unfortunately don't have 6 identical spring😢.
@@squeaksallan8195 Use the rubber race around the bearing, not the springs.
nooo..don't kill that engine
just let it explode hahaha..
0.002 amps 😂😂
R&D for you, I like to show failures too. Check out our videos that show 15 amps with over 90v dc.
@@iEnergySupply i love you guys i sorry if bothering you i saw all your videos its intersting keep moving forward